New anime Kickstarter
>Under the Dog
>The year is 2025 in the city of New Tokyo, five years following the devastation wrought by a specially enhanced groups of terrorists at the 2020 Summer Olympics. Out of the ashes of that desolation, the UN formed a special covert branch headquartered in Tokyo Bay solely purposed with searching out and eliminating the forces responsible for the attack along with anyone even bearing a remote resemblance to them.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1300298569/under-the-dog
>Everyone jumping on the crowdfunding bandwagon
unfortunately, I just don't see them making the goal
Ando and Kinema simply don't have the kind of pull and fanfare Trigger had when they pulled Academia 2. Seriously how many people in the western anime fanbase even know Ando? At best they'll all be like "oh that guy that directed Sword of the Stranger", but even then it's not gonna be enough to get people to open their wallets.
>>111829393
Now /a/ you have no excuse for not support the industry.
Thanks OP! The Under the Dog anime looks great! I just donated 100 (one hundred) dollars!
So I am guessing the team put this together with Kinema and then none of the production companies would give them the kind of funding deal they wanted so they decided to try kickstarter after seeing some other things succeed?
>>111829599
this
>>111829393
>$580,000
My fucking sides.
>>111829393
I suppose why not.
*chips in 20$*
>>111830029
>*chips in 20$*
Are you trying to bait?
>>111829827
I call bullshit or this is sarcasm haha
Cool, Masahiro Ando. I hope they make it, but that's a lot of money.
Is 100 dollars the minimum for a blu ray or am I reading that wrong.
What a joke.
>>111830054
*cocks head to the side curiously*
No, whyever would you think so?
>>111830104
>haha
>>111830054
You're not charged until the campaign is finished and completely funded.
>>111830135
Well it is a Blu-ray and OST but yeah pretty pricey. I think they are thinking the market is pretty small and that if it will make it there it will be on the few peopl willing to put that much in or sink trying/
>>111830134
It would be nice seeing a creative director/animator with a team of passionate individuals putting some effort into a project they actually liked and wanted to do for once. You can usually tell when the animators actually care about what they are drawing rather than just acting like animating machine slaves for hir.
>supporting kickstarter
>>111830135
that's how much it'll cost if aniplex gets the rights.
999 is pretty popular, right? They should go for the /v/ people.
>>111830135
There really should be a goal somewhere between the $20 and $100 there will be a big bumber of people willing to go higher than $20 for the BD but nowhere near $100 like $60-80 and you will get far more on that.
>japanese crowd-funding anime with US viewer money
>japanese taking the US viewer into consideration
>anime is no longer targeted specifically at the japanese
>not made for the japanese = not anime
Your house is falling down around your ears, /a/.
>>111830425
tg;dr
>>111830425
Anime is cartoons made in Japan. That is all.
>>111829393
>3D — Orange
Damn, I wish they just went to a regular producer with this. >>111829599 Is right. Trigger has always been able to say "We're the Gurren Lagann people".
>>111830462
>most anime is animated in Korea
What sayest thou now, knave?
>>111829393
It seems interesting but
>$580,000
I dunno, doesn't that seem pretty pricey? especially for just a one 24 minute episode?
>>111830548
I say you are retarded being hired to draw the shit people can't be bothered to is not making cartoons its being a human machine.
>>111829599
Let's give them a benefit of a doubt
>>111830549
It's definitely on the upper edge of reasonable for a single episode, but this will include all of the frontloaded design work (I realise that this seems less valid when their 2 episode goal is exactly twice their 1 episode goal), and they also seem to be trying to aim for very high production values. I think a run of the mill show uses like half that amount per episode.
>>111830549
What the fuck ?
>As a cover, the International School for Boys and Girls was established for the ongoing covert operation of discovering and recruiting gifted high school students
Hell no.
>>111830666
I did
it still says one fucking episode
>>111829393
>Under the Dog
Jesus Christ Japan that sounds like shit and doesn't make sense like all of your other english titled shows
>>111829393
>580k for just one episode
Well good luck with that
>>111829393
>$580,000$ in 30 days for one fucking episode.
My sides are now in orbit.
Hopefully it'll do better than Robotech Academy.
>>111829827
>$2,455 pledged
>of $580,000 goal
kek
>Orange
Well, atleast it would look nice.
>>111830956
>29 days remaining.
>>111829393
>kickstarter
>>111830610
>slaves built my pyramids
>but i told them how to do it, so its obviously my achievement
Hail Pharaoh!
>>111830997
they won't break 100k
Anime can be pretty expensive. And this here isn't going for TV anime budget.
>>111830549
here's the best part
They're gonna release the episode in december 2015.
A whole fucking year just to make a 24 minute anime episode.
>As a cover, the International School for Boys and Girls was established for the ongoing covert operation of discovering and recruiting gifted high school students, each with their own special abilities
>>111829393
>stretch goal up to 5.1 million
I feel bad for them already
>>111831048
That was my point.
>>111831058
>AKIRA Only cost 15 million
Man, I thought slave animators was a recent thing.
>>111831122
I'm so sorry anon, I thought you were mocking me
>>111829393
What is the most expensive per-episode anime that has been made? All I know was that GitS:SAC was pretty expensive.
>>111831136
>Kickstarter & Amazon fees
Fucking jews.
>>111831168
It's alright anon, come here, i give you a hug.
>>111831093
>that pic
I'd rather fund an anime based on that guy's art.
>>111829393
>That shitty generic synopsis
you can't pay me to watch this garbage, let alone having me fund it
>>111831221
>Making money off of your business
>Charging for services
>Jews
>>111831212
Pupa
>>111830549
LWA the original episode has a budget of ~$390,000 and that didn't include any of the distribution costs or making of the rewards like DVDs/BDs/CDs. The new episode LWA 2 only had a much lower target because they had already paid one off fees like character designs that can be reused etc.
>>111831258
>stealing money from people who fucking donated to a project
>>111831311
LWA 2 also only had a kickstarter for a few minutes. The episode itself already got funded via BD sales of LWA episode 1.
>>111831162
Are you kidding? It's the foundation of the industry.
>>111831058
The actual amounts for those have no sources do they? If I remember correctly they are just informed guesses by 2ch posters who claimed to be industry insiders.
>It's shit
>>111831315
It's more like
>Charging a fee for a service/platform you provide.
>>111831311
The LWA 2 kickstarter wasn't to fund LWA2, it was to make it 40 minutes long instead of 25. LWA also managed to establish a fanbase thanks to a first episode filled with cute animation and eye-catching characters. It's not comparable to any other anime KS.
How much would it cost to animate 5 minutes of intense mecha fighting? I have a few thousand dollars spare and want to do a DAICON type animation.
>>111829393
>580K
As much as I want to see another Ando-directed action feature, they can't possibly hit that target.
>>111831494
I was trying to make the point that the funding goal wasn't far too high for what they are aiming to make given that it seemed the poster had the misconception it was overly high based on the previous LWA2 target being far lower.
>give us 10,000 dollars and we'll fly you to Japan and let you try to fuck up our anime with your ideas
>>111831523
This show has major western appeal though, if it manages to grab attention enough.
If they start throwing around terms like cyberpunk and pushing the fact he has worked on NGE and Ghost in the Shell. Tons of western anime fans fucking love cyberpunk shit. Way more than love little witches. Although I think a lot of interest in LWA was from /co/ types who just thought it was cute aswell as anime types.
At least you get a HD digital download for $20-25.
I think it was Kick-Heart that only netted you a SD digital download for the same price.
>>111831742
Someone tell them to start using the term cyberpunk as a marketing term for the project. Cyberpunk fags will fund this shit.
>>111831704
>(transportation and accommodation not included)
Yuasa got 200.000 for Kick-Heart and he is hipster as fuck.
This here should get more. But still: I don't think it will be enough to hit the goal.
Kick-Heart was so shit and LWA2 is not out.
This looks like the best of them.
>>111829393
>New Tokyo
it's like the rest of Japan doesn't exist.
>>111831853
If you've got 10 grand to blow on Chinese cartoons then I doubt transportation and accommodation will be a problem. I visited Tokyo for a week and blew $3k in all, transport included.
>>111831904
Yuasa has a small but passionate fanbase of people who idolize him and are not usually casuals about anime. Ando just about nobody in the west knows or cares about at all unfortuntately.
This looks really good.
>>111829393
>The year is 20XX
>New Tokyo
>X years ago this happened
>terrorists
>United Nations
>>111832095
Being controversial is a good advertisment.
So.. if /a/ didn't rain money on LWA2, who did?
>>111831009
>architect designs wonder of the world
>dirt people build it
OBVIOUSLY THE DIRT PEOPLE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS WONDERFUL CONTRIBUTION TO THE WORLD FUCK ARCHITECTS
Just tell the SJWs there's a strong female lead. They'll throw enough money at it to fund a ball pit.
>With a budget of $580,000 some may speculate that this endeavor will not succeed
This is pretty much the first thing I thought when I read the number.
>>111832175
Invisible Jews.
>>111832175
Magical jews.
Was anyone else impressed by how organized the description was? So many times people make a kickstarter but aren't even half this transparent about costs/goals/etc.
I agree this will be hard to fund, though. Hopefully they have some advertising budget to push this in the right places. Did LWA2 make it on actual news places?
>>111832456
>Anthea, a Swedish girl, is the team's infiltrator and assassin who was personally raised by Colonel Amagata. She prides herself in her abilities in combat and for good reason. Because of her skill, Anthea is often given point on special operations, usually to get the other agents out of a jam.
This really does sound like something they would take the bait on.
>>111829393
>Anime nobody has heard about
>From a studio nobody has heard about
>No-name staff
>Demo material is pretty generic
This is going to flop.
>>111832476
>>111832511
Hivemind, I guess?
>>111832554
>>From a studio nobody has heard about
Stay casual.
>>111831441
except they're charging it towards the funders, kike-chan
>>111832524
Sweden
Yes
>>111832554
>From a studio nobody has heard about
>No-name staff
>>111832523
This only hit ANN 10-15 minutes ago and hasn't been published on crunchyroll yet.
>>111832554
>>Anime nobody has heard about
Well it's not out yet
>>111832554
>>From a studio nobody has heard about
First week in anime ?
>>No-name staff
Did you read their fucking bios ?
>>111832476
>>111832511
Mahou Shoujews
>>111832524
>Anthea, a Swedish girl, is the team's anal infiltrator and sextoy who was personally raised by Colonel Oogabooga. She prides herself in her abilities in pleasuring black cock and for good reason. Because of her skill, Anthea is often seen saying "YES", usually to denote her love for the BBC
>>111832554
You sound pretty pleb. The director is rather well known and the studio is growing in hipster hype by the daily.
>>111832175
The entire internet? LWA was everywhere; even Shilltaku reported on it.
>>111832721
The director has only directed bombas.
>>111832791
What is your point supposed to be? Commercial success of a franchise does not nessecarily link to fame of a director. Almost everybody interested in anime knows about the fight scenes is Sword of the Stranger.
>>111831058
>those sources
Geez - yeah just what we want the sources for! What you used to convert the currency! Never mind giving sources for the actual production value figures of the show in question - the thing that kind of matters the fuck most in a chart like that!
>yfw this bombs and Japan starts hating us again
>Pledge $5,000 or more
>Our artists will assist you in designing an extra character for the episode with some spoken dialogue. Also receive an A2 size High Quality Print still of your favorite moment from the episode
I can imagine that Dnny Choo fucker would be getting in on this.
>>111833011
>Not even all the lower-tier gifts
Wouldn't found/10
>>111832721
He's not Yuasa or Imaishi well-known, nor can the studio flaunt itself like Trigger did. Add the fact that this is a new IP asking for over twice what Kick-Heart was asking, and failure is inevitable if they can't market the shit out of this.
>>111833011
Under the Dog should latch onto the Cool Japan movement, actually.
>>111832956
It has grown fairly fast so far from less than a $1000 when this thread was first posted. I don't see it keeping it up though.
>>111833011
Lets put our money together to bring moot into anime.
>>111832616
>>111832636
>Code:Breaker
>Yuyushiki
>Black Bullet
Sorry I don't watch shit anime.
>Did you read their fucking bios?
Ando is pretty good, the rest of the staff are nobodies. Whenever it says they "worked on" something rather than listing an actual position, it means they were not of any relevance whatsoever and are just trying to curry favor by being ambiguous.
>>111833052
>>111833042
But they've already started the marketing campaign. Aren't you posting in their thread on /a/?
>>111833042
I wasn't saying they were going to do it or their names would be able to pull in that much rather just that its not a studio nobody has heard of or no name staff.
They really should have called this cyberpunk in the marketing page on kickstarter westerners will buy cyberpunk made by someone who worked on Ghost in the Shell at a studio born from Production I.G.
Rev up those dicks
>>111832134
>controversial
Try generic as fuck. This setting has been done to death since Akira.
>>111833011
He would probably try to get Mirai into an anime again since his anime project seems to be vaporware.
>>111833152
Can we a get a drawing from behind? I have a feeling it looks good from there.
>>111833152
I'm not going to lie, the design isunappealing.
>>111832524
Holy shit, a Swedish character in my chinese cartoons?
>>111833215
>those hips
>unapealling
Pick one.
>>111833229
This is the Swedish girl.
>>111833152
>>111833152
Sasuga Sweden.
If I'll back this, it's for the animation... It's a Ando anime, you'll watch for the animation, not for the story...
>>111833311
Is that his work? Do you have a link to his work on that Sakuga booru?
>School for Boys and Girls
>all-girl cast
Man, if they had thrown some shotas in there, I might have donated.
>>111833276
*Sasuga Suueeden
Name something good that came from Sweden.
Yeah, you fucking can't. Dropped.
>>111833438
IKEA
ABBA
>>111833464
Neither of those things are good.
>>111833136
They need to take it up a notch or two, get the general community's attention, show it off at events and such. Granted, it's been barely hours since this project started.
>>111833362
Yeah, that's something animated by Ando
http://sakuga.yshi.org/post?tags=masahiro_ando+
>>111833263
The outfit is pretty bad.
They're trying to combine plug suits with some kind of street outfit and it just doesn't work.
>>111833438
IKEA?
>>111833438
>not having figures
>>111833438
le funny /int/ maymays
>>111833438
Basshunter
>>111833152
Tell all the Swedes on Swedechan.
Looks good but the designs look so futuristic for something only a decade away.
>>111833438
Smörgåsbord
>>111833484
Are you some kind of nigger who can't afford furniture and listen to good music ?
>>111833576
But IKEA is for people that can't afford furniture.
Also, ABBA sucks.
>>111829393
Sure why not, I'd give them a hundred.
>>111833438
Knäckebrot.
>>111833576
>ABBA
>good music
>>111833598
>>111833635
>nigger hip-hop
>good music
Oh please.
>>111833152
Kozaki's designs are so great. Wish he'd do more anime in additional to his games stuff.
>>111833598
>But IKEA is for people that can't afford furniture.
Pretty accurate.
>>111833635
>1999+15
>not being a dancing queen
What a fag.
>>111833490
He worked on Asuka's big battle against the mass production units. That is always a great scene.
>>111833692
>if you don't like ABBA you must like hip-hop
I even like ABBA but come on, that makes no sense whatsoever.
>>111833229
Does anyone know which World Materpiece Theatre show that is which seems to be pointing to sweden on this map?
>>111833792
No he was replying to niggers.
>>111833844
Oh shit wait is that Finland or Denmark?
>>111833844
Literally zero of those arrows are pointing at Sweden.
>>111833919
I'm embarassed by my geography now. It is finland right?
>>111833844
That's Finland, Ameribro.
>>111833944
Yes.
>>111833959
Actually a Britfag. Although I saw that comment coming the moment I realised my mistake.
>>111833899
>>111833919
>not being able to read katakana
Oh come on, you don't even need to know japanese to read them.
>>111834016
I can still read hiragana and remember some Kanji even but I have completely forgotten katakana for some reason.
I backed this shit so fast. I know it's unlikely but I hope it gets a lot of funding, at least some of the stretch goals. A man can dream.
>>111829393
Most of these shows/works have anti-american shit in them.
are they really begging for our money?
>>111834194
>Amerifats are the only people outside of Japan with access to the internet.
>>111829393
Oh boy a new kickstarter "anime" I bet it's actually made by western weeb-
>MOTHERFUCKING ANDO
WHAT IN THE FUCK ?
$5962. Now it just needs to 100x the money.
>>111834300
>$6,442
That was a big jump
>>111829393
i can se this thing getting to the goal.
just look at the numbers now.
i can even imagine seeing this as a normalfag boom even bigger than the SNK boom from last year.
>>111834435
When I first looked at the page it was quite a bit under 1000, in the 2 hours since it has gotten to $6500 not bad progress.
>Under the Dog
The won't get my money.
>2025
Are they even trying?
>New Tokyo
We Evangelion again?
>2020 Summer Olympics
Grolious Nippon!
>UN
>formed
>special covert branch headquartered
>in Tokyo Bay
GRORIOUS NIPPON!
>high school students
>special abilities
>elite death squad
Forget subsiding them! They'd have to pay me for watching it.
>>111834435
They should have shown this to /a/ from the very beginning. Where are they usually promoting stuff like this? Shitbook?
>>111834300
1% in five hours ain't bad. Keep this up for 20 days and it might be okay.
>>111834300
The dream is real.
>>111834258
They're using an American made and ran site.
Fucking hypocrites.
Most of the KS money is made in the first 24 hours, you know.
>>111834564
Nips don't know how to into web design.
>>111834515
dont you like their super special unique storyline?
>>111834515
Fuck you faggot, look at that staff, it's perfect
The only problem is Cinema Kitrus
>>111834515
>2020 Summer Olympics
>Grolious Nippon!
The 2020 Olympics are held in Japan, brosepf.
>>111829393
I guess it's not that bad
>>111834539
yes even if /a/ talks shit about them an hates them they wiil get too much time on personal computers to actually get to people that will get them, actually not bad .
>>111834591
Fucking this. Just look at the Manga Anime guardians shit website.
>>111834539
I think they're depending on word of mouth. Past kikestarters have and I don't see this doing anything different.
>Regarding rewards, having the Blu-ray only from $100 seems like a problem, this should be included already at a $50 price point.
This nerd, who the fuck expects to get anime on blu-ray for $50 from Japan?
>>111834515
Eva was Tokyo-3, Neo Tokyo is pure Otomo.
But what really is UNDER the dog?
>>111834675
ur mom m8
>>111834675
The dogs bollocks.
>Motherfucking Ando
i'd back it so hard if i had money
>>111834675
Your waifu
>>111834675
A cat
>>111829827
>>111830029
Why is obvious viral advertising and shilling allowed on /a/?
>>111834675
It's probably Updog.
>>111834675
The girl protagonist, getting knotted. She's getting revenge for getting forced into a bestiality film.
>>111834631
Half of the time their websites are barely on par with those made in the early-mid 2000s in the west.
>>111831009
>slaves built the pyramids
Wrong.
>>111834780
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm
>>111834780
/v/ found the thread and now they shitpost.
>>111834805
>knotted
Something about this word makes me feel sick to my stomach.
>>111834794
What's updog?
Do you think GitS is on life support?
Not necessarily speaking about this, but I'd like an expandable worldbuilding sci-fi if nobody wants to work with that name anymore. I guess there's PP too.
Serious question: What's the actual cost for crating a show, from start to finish? Forget about getting it on a network.
Just the numbers
>>111834860
Do you have knots in your stomach?
>>111834860
That's funny, it makes me feel hard in my penis.
>>111834855
>visiting /v/
well i guess it won't be too long for you to comit suicide
>>111834878
Dunno, what's up with you?
>>111834937
>Reading comprehensions
>Same writer as 428
>Ando directed Canaan
So if you subtract the Nasu factor out how retarded could this realistically be?
>>111834909
Serious answer: Depends entirely on the show. Something cheap could cost a few $1000 something high quality and well animated you could spend an unlimited amount on. LWA the first episode as an example got a budget pf $390,000 to make from scratch without any distribution etc. in that budget.
>>111834998
When in doubt, blame Okada.
>>111833052
Make it happen, /a/
>5.1 million
>and in place of any episodes
>we will instead do a 90-120 minute feature film
>>111830549
>one 24 minute episode
The preview is 2m long,
Plus if you count the opening & ending, you've to subtract another 1:30 & 1:30.
So, you will have to pay $580,000 to watch 19min of new contents.
If we pay more than $600,000, the ending & opening will be performed by Nano.ripe
$650,000 and HanaKana & Yuki Kaji will be the main seiyuus
$750,000 and Funimation will licence,sub,encode it and mail the dvd/K7.
>>111834878
>>111834949
>>111835054
>$650,000 and HanaKana & Yuki Kaji will be the main seiyuus
Santa Company got him for $50,000.
>>111835054
It's the first episode for a sci-fi action. There will be no OP and possibly just credits over an action scene for the ED.
>>111835153
Did they succeed in the end? I totally missed the whole affair.
>>111834631
>>111834591
Yeah that's a thing I see when looking at artists and circles. It's like they don't realize web design has advanced since the geocities/angelfire era.
The heavy use of bulletin boards is probably cultural though.
>>111835055
Why does she stand like that?
>>111835243
>Funded! This project was successfully funded on January 2, 2014.
Sugoi
>>111835243
Yeah: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/itoso-tag/santa-company
>>111835030
Excellent point, maybe I should have some faith in this not being dogshit at the very least
>>111829599
No, this will probably hit a million dollars in funding. People have been throwing loads of money at anything anime related on Kickstarter.
What was that 20 year old anime that got like $200,000 funding called again?
>>111835270
Maybe her knees hurt.
>>111835035
The quality of a feature film and the size of the production would obviously be much larger than any number of episodes could be.
>>111835318
Bubblegum Crisis got $154,014, Mai Mai Miracle got $100,000+
>>111835318
Bubblegum Crisis? That was for a BD release to be brought here via AnimEigo, and BGC was already a hot a commodity, it was one of those titles that you always played in anime clubs to wow them alongside AKIRA or Ninja Scroll or Project A-ko. And that Kickstarter was mostly acting as pre-order system anyway.
American dorrars are too expensive for me to pay for something this uncertain.
>>111834780
are you really that autistic that you can't sense humor?
Holy shit what happened to you people
>>111835474
Does the money ever come out of your account if it doesn't get funding?
>>111835407
>Mai Mai Miracle got $100,000+
This surprised me. It's a decent movie and everything, but I had never seen any hype for it before the Kickstarter.
>>111834595
Kinema Citrus is good when they have budget (E7, Tokyo Magnitude 8.0) and a good staff behind (Yuyushiki, Barakamon), but sometimes they have shitty projects like Black Bullet (I think the problem in BB were the producers...). Overall, it's a good studio.
>>111835474
They're also asking that you drop $100 on something based on the trailer to get the BluRay. Japs only pay 6-7k yen for their discs.
>>111835474
>Ando
>Kozaki
>Ishii
>Uncertain
nigger what ?
>>111834780
>Viral advertising
>shilling
>>>/v/
>>111835578
>>Ando
>>Kozaki
>>Ishii
Literally WHO?
>>111835505
It doesn't ever come out of your account unless it's completely funded.
>>111835505
>Funding on Kickstarter is all-or-nothing. No one will be charged for a pledge towards a project unless it reaches its funding goal. This way, creators always have the budget they scoped out before moving forward.
>>111832175
but I did rain money on it
>>111835550
I just watched the trailer, the key animation is indeed better than what I expected, and those background seems straight out of a PA Work anime, really high quality.
Fuck this shit, I know this will fail and it hurts. It's fucking stupid, I'm sure Noitamina would pay for something like this in a heartbeat.
>>111835552
They're asking for anything they can get. 20$ seems pretty reasonable. I gave 30 because with the Blizzard mixing engineer is fucking legit and the sound is going to be extremely professionally done, hopefully carrying over to the soundtrack.
>>111835696
I think they could reach the goal, but not in just a month's time. Seems like the sort of thing that should have had promotion beforehand "hey guys, we're gonna do a Kickstarter, better look forward to it" and then launch once everyone's already informed.
Oh well, why not. I will send them $20 this time and nothing more. If the BD was less costly, like $50, I would jump on that as well.
>>111829393
This seems promising though the duration and the time for them to animate is just ridiculous.
>>111835620
Are there really people that know this little about anime posting on /a/?
>>111831058
Are the numbers right for Evangelion?
Was it really that cheap?
>>111835805
He is shitposting.
''Literally WHO'' gets posted in every thread.
>>111833052
I would laugh so much if moot was put in some sort of anime
>>111835782
You aint never getting a BD for $50 this is Japan.
>>111829393
>BD
>minimum $100
Nope.
>>111835836
In every thread on /v/, you mean.
>>111835900
I'm pretty sure you get LWA2 BD for 50
>How about a stretch goal for an English dub?
Always this guy on the comments.
>>111835836
>shitposting
But that's how 99.99% of the western userbase react when they see those names. And this is why the kickstarter will probably fail. This is much different from the overhyped Trigger project.
