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Frenzy a balanced edition

Previous DW Heist: >>147151082

>Upcoming Payday 2 Tournaments:
http://www.overkillsoftware.com/payday2-tournament/

>Extremely In-Depth Guide on the Mechanics of PAYDAY 2 (think Frank found a new maintainer)
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=267214370

>Skill/Weapon Stat Calculator:
http://pd2skills.com/

>Skilltree Guide (out of date):
http://i.imgur.com/nUXjB3J.png

>Perk Deck Guide (out of date):
http://i.imgur.com/E6x18Bt.png

>Stat Ranking and Breakpoints (slightly out of date):
http://i.imgur.com/TY14uav.png

>Weapon/Armor/Damage/Pickup Spreadsheets (not up to date):
http://pastebin.com/dSyuTzdt

>(NEW) Weapon Skin Checklist (totally up to date):
http://pastebin.com/jivyLi3A

>Big Oil Engine Calculators:
http://payday2skills.ru/bigoil.html
http://albertkung.com/bigoil/

>PAYDAY Wiki:
http://payday.wikia.com/wiki/PAYDAY_2

>Latest Updates Here:
http://steamcommunity.com/app/218620

>Steam Group:
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/itfeelslikesomethingsintheair

>Mods and Lua:
http://pastebin.com/E3m0uKKn

>Weapon skin previews
http://pd2stash.com/

>Daily Dose
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHEkCM3fTrc [Embed]
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1st for Jimmy being the best heister.
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HEY
YOU
GET ON YOUR FEET
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How do I avoid cheater tag with unlocker?
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>>147417553
you dont, you idiot
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bad goyim
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Male Clover best Clover
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>>147417623
DELETE THIS
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Never forget
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>>147417607
Someone said that there's a way to avoid it. Also I 've only seen one person with cheater tag so far and way too many people without it and with DLC weapons
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>>147417974
All it does is change when the bad goy tag notice shows up. And it still does show up once the heist starts.
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I didn't believe other /pdg/s when they said that instead of the heist ending, they just sat in black limbo until somebody came along.

Turns out it's a real thing.

Thanks OVK.
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>>147419516
>mfw you're lagging so much that when the heist finish, you end up back in the heist with everyone frozen and not moving while the others are getting the xp and cards
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if sokol is russian why is he so gay?
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>>147419516
Must just be your mods, because the players seem to be loving it.
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remember me ?
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>>147421372
Zero mods. Not me.
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Things made easier since beta went live on Update 100:
- You can rush Rats Day 2 by just bringing the 3 Shaped Charges you get by default and praying that the intel is not in a big safe. Skip the trade entirely.
- Or you can just bring no meth and "stealth" it with a sniper rifle or suppressed shotgun and then C4 your way out
- ECMs have Feedback by default now so even if there's no SWAT turret on Watchdogs Day 1, anybody can bring an ECM and just feedback the entire intersection for the car escape
- You can bring Shaped Charges for Firestarter Day 1, or a saw. Doesn't even matter what your build is anymore.
- You can bring a saw or 3 Shaped Charges for Firestarter Day 2 (saw is probably objectively better)
- You can bring a saw and Shaped Charges for Transports and H&Ts (more for FS Day 3's extra security door, really)
- You can bumrush UK Jobs without needing to spec into Shaped Charges
- You can max out ECMs, stealth, and Trip Mines and still have points leftover so stelf missions should be 100% easy now
- You don't need a saw build to farm Mallcrasher ATMs anymore
- You don't need a saw build to just skip the hacking for Art Gallery / Framing Frame Day 1
- You don't need C4 or ECM builds to skip objective doors in HB Day 2
- You don't need a saw build to bring a saw to Big Bank
- You don't need a Fugitive build to get double body bag cases for those civ-heavy heists. Maybe not even Cleaner and body bag assets.
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I've bought some weapon packs I liked and all heist DLCs except the goat crap. Are any of the non-Ron character packs hidden gems or are they just as shit as they look like?
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>>147423254
Most people get character packs for the perk decks. MAYBE for the guns too but you'd have to ask somebody else for opinions.

Sokol - Grinder
Dragan - Infiltrator
Sydney - Anarchist

Rest are either free or not worth mentioning right now.
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>>147423224
>"we want the casual audience" Almir 2014-2016

It's only a matter of time until they make the AMCAR and the chicano 88 meta
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>>147423224
Saw is in weird place because with the old system you had to put points in it. Then if you didn't plan to use berserker, you had to also get the skill that increases saw efficiency
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>>147423350
Yeah, but they all look mediocre at best - characters, weapons and perks. But maybe there's something I don't know and the weapons/perks are actually OP as fuck. That's why I'm asking.
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is solarpletex cute?
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>>147423768
No hes gay lol
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>>147423754
I listed the three because they're the top p2w perk decks in the game.

Grinder has insane health regen for suitfags despite the nerfs. Been nerfed multiple times since its inception because the devs accidentally made it OP and still don't know how to balance it.

Infiltrator seems to be touted as an awesome melee perk deck (I can't vouch for it, never played melee builds).

Anarchist right now is the FOTM perk deck for DW because it's basically Grinder for armour, and Frenzy Aced + ICTV + Anarchist makes you unkillable because of the damage reduction from Frenzy being applied to armour instead of just health (which is technically a bug but devs didn't fix it in update 104 so who knows). Also Sydney waifufags.
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>>147424253
>Also Sydney waifufags.
why
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>>147417623
Pretty cute! :3 But the original is still best heist grill!
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>>147417937

>>147423380
Uh, every monthly?
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>>147420970
>>147423834
>Not being bi_
>2500-484
lol
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>>147420970
>get Sokol
>do a couple of heists as him
>he literally goes "little Wolfie~"
You guys weren't kidding.
Why does he crave so many dicks?
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Why are rifles shit? What's supposed to be the best rifle?
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Why did noone ever told me that raven is so fucking great? Was it always that good?
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>>147425542
What rifles?

Sniper rifles? OVK trashcanned most of them during the Unbalance. Used to be that if you scoped while still, the sniper rifle would have perfect center of screen accuracy. Now every sniper rifle has obscene spread especially when scoped. Actually don't know which sniper rifles are supposed to be good anymore.

Assault rifles? Same story with the rework of the Accuracy and Stability stat system. They're still pretty decent. CAR-4 is still king of the 40 damage ARs, AK7.62 for lolnoammo high damage ARs, and M308 for single fire DMR kit fags.
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>>147424819
>gif made into a webm
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u wot
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>>147425773

What weapons are decent without dumping skill points on them?
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>>147425929
A lot of the meta weapons are in the base game and community group weapons like the CAR-4, AKs, Judge, Macaroni, etc. What really makes them strong are the DLC packs with mods like the shotgun pack and the courier mod pack. They're still decent by themselves but I don't really know how well they fare without any of it.
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>>147426029
well i bought the cage mod courier dlc for 74cents so I am gonna be fine I think. I am thinking of using the unlocker when I get a few more infamy lvls (i am an f2p shitter) and get bored with the game. Because I am not sure if I want the bad goy tag yet. I am going to give the CAR-4 a try
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>>147426148
Bad goy tag is applied for each heist/lobby so it's not permanent or affects you in any way other than rustling pub jimmies.
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>>147426029
>Macaroni
Which one is this
>>147426295
So if I remove the unlocker the tag goes away?
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free shitters get out reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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>>147426348
It only procs when you equip something that you don't own on Steam, or host a contract from a DLC you don't own.
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>>147425149
Because they're delicious and contain all the vitamin D you need.
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>>147425149
the real reason sokol left russia was to not be executed for being a huge fag
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I'm starting to warm up to the biker chain.

It's slow as balls without any melee speed boosts but being able to one shot non-Specials uncharged on DW with a Funzerker build is really entertaining. Also helps with ammo sustain when I just don't feel like using a shell on a single target.
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>>147425929
Bronco doesn't need a single point in pistol tree to be good.
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>>147426703
>overkill
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>join pubbie biker heist
>everyone is above infamy 4 and knows what theyre doing for the most part except this one guy who types xD alot in the chat
>finish helping the mechanic build the bike on the first day
>escape time
>everyone gets on a bike
>drive through the escape section
>the "xD" guy gets stuck sideways in a narrow tunnel with the bike
>all 3 of us in the escape waiting for him
>he tries to maneuver the bike so he can escape with it instead of ditching it and running to the escape like a normal person
>this goes on for 2 whole minutes
it was basically this <iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/IGiQOCX9UbM" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> for 2 whole minutes involving a pub shitter and a bike
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>>147426703
>overkill
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>>147427493
><iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/IGiQOCX9UbM" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
Get the fuck out.
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>>147426407
I'm gonna miss em :(
It's fun to just fuck around on OVK and have nubs go "ooooh!" just by you doing the objectives and not going down every 30 secs. Sometimes they're not even that bad and are happy to get some tips.
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>>147428139
take the actual image fuckboy
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>>147427493
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>>147423380
>Yes. For the love of god.
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Summer sale is almost over quick gimmie a good FPS under 5€
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>>147429254
Painkiller Black Edition.
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Which DLC packs are essential for new players?
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>>147427493
newfag
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>>147430034
DLC unlocker.
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>>147430095
is there a way to unlock all the dlc without getting flagged as a cheater?
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>>147430198
Buy all the DLC you're using.
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>>147430198
I 've asked the same question last thread and they've told me that you only get flagged temporarily as a cheater when you equip dlc you don't own
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>>147424253

Frenzy should work all the time at a lower % damage reduction. Taking reduced health damage isn't very useful when you're running with very little health all the time.
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>>147431014
Give half of the health damage resistance to armor and it's good
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>>147431120
Decent enough
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>>147430801
It's temporary right up until you're kicked or leave the game.

Then it goes away.

Then it comes right back next time you enter a game.
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NOW CUFF YOURSELF, BITCH
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>>147424253
>Was running Frenzerker ICTV Anarchist before the bug
>Now everyone is

Shit sucks
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>>147425767
Back in 2014 it was a Reinfeld on steroid with superior stats everywhere and DW viable but with the crimefest II rebalance, the damage became absolute trash so that's why we had like a six-eight months period where everyone shat on it. Now it has been buffed, everything is again perfect now.
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Is there better time/money ratio solo stealth mission than Murky?
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So question about berserker. I see the damage applies to (almost) all weapons, but which ones does it benefit the most? I mean while it sounds hilarious to deal a gorrilion points of damage with a sniper rifle or shotgun is it more practical for those bigger angrier bullets to be coming out of an assault rifle or minigun?
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>>147434735
Additional question, which perk deck/armor style fits it the best? Going full armor with muscle or armorer seems like a good idea but at the same time it may be a good idea to run with crook, grinder, or rogue for speed?
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>>147434517
Bomb:Cockyard DW , especially on a toaster that makes everything piss easy.
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>>147434908
>toaster
explain
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>>147434735

Best on 80 damage rifles IMO. If you put it on a 40 damage weapon it only brings it up to 56, which isn't really a relevant breakpoint for anything. But the battle rifles that can hit 85 damage with mods get raised to 119, which is enough to one shot greys.

You could also use it with the M308 to bodyshot greys like a turboshitter
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>>147434517
Aftershock DW is objectively the best on its own tier.

13 minute heist for a $24 million payout.
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>>147434940
The Golden Grin Casino and the Bomb dockyard jobs are not designed by Overkill but by some croatian veteran devs that proposed to handle all the development but for some weird technical reasons, if playing on a really shitty computer, the guards have an harder time to spot you during stealth. Just compare that on your average framing frames job and you'll see a huge difference.
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>>147434517
>>147435164
Oh you said solo stealth.

Never mind.
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Does this game get good at a certain point? I've played for about 70 minutes and the community is toxic and the gunplay is horrible. Really considering a refund
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>>147435624
HE BOUGHT IT LETS DRAIN THE PLACE
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>>147435624
Go get your refund you thin-skinned no-skilled faggot.
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>>147435624
>Does this game get good
If you don't enjoy it now, you wont enjoy it later.
>community is toxic
Elaborate. If you mean people kicking you because you're sub infamy, that's not toxic; its sensible.
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>>147435624
As soon as you find friends, everything gets ten times better.

For the gunplay, just judge the weapons after modding the shit out of them. Vanilla, they're not that impressive at first.
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>>147436004
Sokol isn't cute
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>>147435996
They bitch if I don't pick one of the easily stealthable heists, and when I do it's just a case of me standing around while they go through the route they learned on youtube.

One time a heist went bad and I got hyped to have to hold off the police like in a heist movie but they all bitched at me to restart, even though it was a Pro job
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>>147435624
>actually playing with randoms
Get a refund if you don't have friends. I'm dead serious.
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>>147436218
I think its time for you to make some friends
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>>147436218
Just play pubs or host loud only if that's your issue. You can set a loud tag on your lobby. Anyway, sounds like you just ran into shitters, which doesn't make the community toxic because everyone everywhere hates shitters.
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Do I need to complete every single heist in order to get the hard, very hard, overkill and death wish skull masks? I know that you need to include the pro job heists, but is it EVERY SINGLE heist, or heists released up until a certain date? Completing every single heist including all of the DLC seems ludicrous.
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Female crew dlc when ?
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>all I want are weapon mods
>all I drop are shitty colors, patterns, materials and masks
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>>147438320
>Dallas is best man
>Dallas is best girl
How does he do it?
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>>147438428

Get Goonmod
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>>147437875
every single heists so you better complete it asap so you don't have to do any new ones in the process.
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>>147438868
wew, that sounds like way too much work and I don't have enough dosh or people with all the DLC's. Damn shame.
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>>147439053
Go in the steam chat, beg for help, get a crew, you know the drill.
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>>147437875
Yes.

To get the Hard mask, you have to do every single existing heist at Hard from beginning to end (e.g. no drop-ins).

To get the Very Hard mask, you have to do every single existing heist at Very Hard from beginning to end.

Repeat for OVK and DW masks.

And no, getting a DW mask will not automatically get you credit for the other three masks.
No, finishing a heist on DW won't get you credit for doing the heist on the lower difficulties.
No, it won't work for the lower masks either (e.g. doing it on OVK won't count for VH and H).

Yes, it sucks.

And yes, if a new heist comes out before you finish a mask, you have to finish that new heist for that difficulty too.

You don't need the DLC to play the respective DLC heist, only to host and get access to the cosmetics and weapons the DLC pack comes with. So you can be a f2p shitter joining other people's GGC and Biker Heist lobbies anytime you want.

And to elaborate on the beginning to end aspect, you have to be in the game *BEFORE* everybody in the lobby hits the READY [x] button at the loadout screen for Day 1. So you can join an in-game lobby and if it hasn't started yet, then you can get credit for it if you finish. Otherwise, even if you joined at 00:01, you will not get credit for completion. Also disconnecting from a heist and rejoining the exact same lobby will not get you credit (same for most "do X in a heist" achievements) if you're not host. Crashes, kicks, etc. If you're hosting a lobby for a 4-man achievement and a guy dc's and reconnects with the correct equipment, you the host can definitely still get the achievement (and I think anybody else who didn't dc in the lobby) whiel the disconnector is shit out of luck.

And sometimes (aka. every time) when a new heist comes out, the completion check is broken and sometimes you might not get the difficulty masks if you try to get them around the time a new heist is released so be wary of trying in the days after a new heist release.
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>>147438483
>Dallas
It's easy to mix up siblings, but don't think too much of it.
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>>147427751
>about to post about the bike having a cruise ship's turning radius
>see this

I just kept ramming the stuck bike until there's enough space to get through. Fortunately the one that's needed isn't the stuck bike.
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>>147423224
How are any of these bad things you moron?

Saw builds were insanely unpopular which meant most pub lobbies absolutely did not have a saw, especially for shit like Big Bank or Firestarter

Oh no, you can get more money, money's fucking useless now anyway
You guys bitch to bitch
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>>147425067
Jacket would never for a moment let himself be touched by a Russian

I'm still disappointed to this day you have a character who is homicidally bigoted towards Russians and a Russian and yet they have zero dialogue for each other because this game doesn't work like that
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Which is more useful: 2 2 use Doctor bags or a billion med kits?

I mean I can definitely see situations where you could bring either but at the same time it seems a waste to ace both skills
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>>147443981
>the only real character interaction is around mr. dont act dumb and big BRITISH LAD
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>>147443768
he wasn't bitching about it, retard.
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>>147443981
>implying sokol couldn't charm jacket's cold, russian hating heart
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Just refunded this shit game

Have fun grinding you toxic faggots
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>>147435624
All communities are "toxic" to newbies
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>>147446105
If you're >>147436218

Then good riddance. Because it never occurred to you to just kick the shitters instead of obeying everything they said and just doing everything your way.
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>>147444892
Two Doctor bags because of the ability to reset your downs. If you happens to solo your heists, take the Faks instead.
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>>147444925
>Dallas and Houston are brothers
>no lines to reflect this
>Hoxton and Clover are old friends
>no lines to reflect this
>Wick and Chains are army bros
>no lines to reflect this

When people talk about their favorite heister on here it makes no sense since they're all the exact same cardboard cutout of each other
Its literally just what accent you want to hear "SNIPERS PUSHING UP DAISIES" in
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>>147446105
Later famalam
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>>147446105
Oh man he sure showed us

As a side note it never occurred to me that you can refund a steam game. I mean it makes sense now I just never thought of it as a possibility. Time to refund Just cause 3 because it chugs on my computer. Thank you belligerent cry guy you just saved me $30
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>>147446105
>grinding,

It's fucking 2016, the grind is a joke now. Only shitters would complain about it.
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>>147446105
>he'll never know the joy of stealthily DW with his friends because he's salty he got kicked from DW heists as a baby non infamy
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Was browsing the steam sale to find a Goat Simulator DLC for payday 2.

What happened? I haven't played in months, as much as I'd like to, but what the hell is that?
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>>147449785
>freinds
i guess even i won't experience that
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>>147450026
Overkill did it for the memes. The heist isn't even that good desu.

>>147449785
>tfw stealthed Big Bank with a friend on ovk
M-maybe one day.
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>>147450323
>really bad at PD2 stealth
>tried a million times to stealth BB with pubs but fail every time
>too self concious to ask /pdg/ for help because I know I'll ruin the run at least once
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>>147450617
I'm really bad too
Want to try?
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>free weekend is over
welp
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>>147450617
I'm kinda with you, Like I can usually go stealth for a long time on a mission but eventually still fuck up. On a lot of missions this works, you can start drilling shit or open some doors or get a few bags out this way before bullets start happening. But it's infuriating on missions you have to stealth no matter what or when you play with folks who would rather reset a mission 15 times than continue a failed stealth run
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>>147451053
That's my biggest complaint about Payday 2 as a whole, actually and it's impossible to fix is that when stealth is broken NO ONE wants to continue the mission.... Because we're all stuck with our pitiful stealth builds and CAR4s and 1911s.

In a game like MGS or Splinter cell getting caught meant switching to combat mode which was tougher but viable, in Payday it's set up that going loud on DW after stealthily is nigh impossible unless it's very specific scenarios (vault is already open etc)
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All this talk of failure makes me wish I could play with /pdg/ again. Someone spare an gaming desktop. I remember gettin tabula rasa and a lot of other achievements thanks to /pdg/.
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>>147451264
I don't have a stealth build that can't shoot its way out when things go tits up. It costs a few extra points here and there and you won't be quite as competent as the burglar deck, zero combat perks, active camo asshole but you can still pull of 95% of the shit you need for stealth and be a passable dodge/silenced weapons build when the bullets start flying.

That or you just have that one guy who shows up in full riot gear regardless and says he'll stay in the van
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>>147451556
Part of the problem though is find me the lobby that actually will continue a heist gone loud.

The only time I've ever had that happen is during FWB because FWB is so piss easy on loud you can get away with anuyhingm
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>>147450617
Just stay at the van noob and I'll do it
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>get tased two times in a row
>all ammo is now gone
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>>147439232
>>147439134
Thanks for the info mates.
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>>147452925
>using dmrs on auto
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>>147439232
>getting a DW mask will not automatically get you credit for the other three masks
This is pure fucking cancer, what the fuck.
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>>147452925
>use piglet,
>litteraly beg the tasers to mindbreak me so my primary grenade launcher is instantly reloaded.
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Trailer park heist when?
>siphoning gas
>I'M FUCKING SHOT
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what the fuck is the deal with this game I swear I'll play death wish any heist and we will get like a total of 100 cops the entire game then other times it's just all out clusterfuck of 10 tasers on the map at once, 6 bulldozers, 5 cloakers and all kinds of elites and I'm not even exaggerating I could't go anywhere without getting sniped by a taser or running into a bulldozer
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Reminder that cowards pick Grinder and Ex-President is for real heisters
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>>147455209
Each map spawns them in different places. On some maps, specials are spawned spread out and easy to pick off in ones and twos. Other maps, all cops including the specials only spawn in a few areas so they come at you as one big mob all together.

Plus, RNG
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>>147455660
>tfw Gambler master race
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>>147435193
What FPS we talkin here?
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>>147435996
>If you don't enjoy it now, you wont enjoy it later.
That wasn't the case with me famm
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>>147458863
~15
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>>147446105
I bought all the non-dlc guns at 3rd day of playing faggot
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>>147458863
Don't listen to that anon, you need around 10.
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>>147417937
The roulette is fake, you know.
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I just got kicked from a DW heist for only having 270 hours instead of 400 hours as his lobby script suggests.

What the fuck is this caustic community
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Got into a Cook Off heist last night, and at the end the host just started chucking 285 bags into the van.

Loved the xp boost but how common is this?

and how do I find it more often?
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>>147427687
>>147427413
What's wrong with overkill?
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>>147464608
stop being such a newshitter then dick slamfist
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>>147465562
it is baby mode difficulty
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>>147464608
>>147464725
>>147465562
>sale shitters
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>>147464608
>wtf is with this caustic community
Wait! You didn't add it yet, right? It's supposed to be hydrogen chloride community.
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>>147466507
you're alright, anon.
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>>147464608

Go back to overkill newbie
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>>147455660
>Ex-President is for real heisters
You misspelled "Maniac"
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Who's the bets hiester and why is it Wolf?
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>>147469052
the bets heister is Bonnie,she's a gambler
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hosting DW
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>>147468313
Maniac is a fucking meme. I've never seen someone use it effectively and it's usage isn't nearly as beneficial as Ex Prez of even Grinder. Seriously it's worthless.
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>>147472551
use it with frenzy
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>>147455660
I don't I've ever even used Ex-Pres and why the fuck would you use Grindr in 2016?
Crook's my boy now, in from the cold since 2014!
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>>147466507
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>>147450617
>too self concious to ask /pdg/ for help because I know I'll ruin the run at least once
Anybody actually accepting a request for help with stealthing isn't going to expect any modicum of competency from a stranger but are still willing to put up with it anyway. It's not like you're scamming people to carry you, it's part of the job description of asking for help. And plenty of people are willing.

And Big Bank has shit like Entrapment which is pure hell for even the most competent of people. We all know how it's like.
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So is there just no cost to respecing any more?
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>>147466507
Fuck me, we needed those cooks. I'm going with muriatic community.
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WHAT IS PDG DRINKING TONIGHT I'M LIVING THE HIGH LIFE 11 BEERS DEEP ON THIS BEAUTIFUL 4TH OF JULY NIGHT LET'S PLAY SOME DEATH WISH
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>>147451264
>NO ONE wants to continue the mission.... Because we're all stuck with our pitiful stealth builds and CAR4s and 1911s.
This is usually the reason why you see pubshitters with Silent Killer BV dodge builds because they think they are capable of shooting it out but are completely bad at either stealth or loud.

The other problem is that when the alarm goes, you don't continue the heist. All the objectives and shit start over basically at the beginning so it makes you feel like there's no point in going loud after fucking up stealth if you're just going to start over from the beginning anyway. And it doesn't help that a lot of the earlier stealth heists slap you in the face with this realisation. You could be halfway or 2/3rds done through the objectives but then it's all for nothing and you have to start over with hacking the security and then firing up a thermal drill. Shit really sucks. The bars coming down on Framing Frame Day 1, you being stuck with a 400s power box defense on Framing Frame Day 3, even if you were half a second away from leaving with all the gold, having to go fetch the pig in Big Bank, having to steal the camera footage in ED Day 2, etc.

The security measures and shit make sense from a logical point of view but damn it sucks to put up with it so might as well restart or just go in loud from the beginning with a real loud build.

>>147455209
On top of RNG spawns, PD2 difficulty is also dependent on the host's CPU and connection that affects (a) how quickly it can empty out the spawn pool, and (b) cop reaction times.

If they're on a toaster and/or lagging, cops will be stationary, spend ages to path to your general location, and take 1-3 seconds to respond to your presence so you can just walk around in a DW heist with minimal aggro all day and maybe have to deal with 50-100 cops at most per 5-10 minute assault wave. If the host has a good computer, hahaha, welcome to Death Wish.
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>>147475862
Holy shit, this. Yes it's "realistic" but it's beyond frustrating to be 3/4rds through Big Bank only to get spotted and now suddenly we need to drill the joint.
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>>147475796
Ghost, is that you?
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>>147475796
Milk
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>>147474224
because grinder's fine with lbv
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>>147475796
Number 9 and Dead Man Ale
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>>147464608
>I just got kicked from a DW heist for only having 270 hours instead of 400 hours as his lobby script suggests.

So join a different lobby.
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Fag bags
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DISCUSS SOMETHING YOU FAGGOTS

TALK ABOUT PDG TANS THIGHS OR SYDNEYS TITS
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>>147475796
NOT YOUR FATHER'S ROOT BEER

IT'S DELICIOUS
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>>147373945
Hello heisters! New side jobs are out!

Today's Daily Side Jobs are:
- I Wasn't Even There (i_wasnt_even_there)
- Situation Normal (slakt_3)

Keep those helmets flying! ;)
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Post what you think each different heister drinks.

Clover: Guiness
Sokol: Vodka
Dallas: Whiskey
Bonnie: Scotch
Jiro: Sake
Jacket: Water
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>>147482106
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>>147481950
can someone post a pic of the best civilian in the game
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>>147482297
>inb4 Chains: 40oz Olde English
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>>147482297
>going with the stereotypes
C'mon senpai
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>>147482438
The bank teller chick
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>>147482930
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>>147464608
Because its a Coop horde shooter. If you're bad at CoD, you get a shitty K/D and people laugh at you. If you're bad at battlefield, you waste tickets and allow people on the opposing team to unlock attachments faster. If you're bad at PD2, you fuck things up for everyone. Sure, you might find a lobby that's willing to put up with you putting sode or using a card to close a door on HB, but ultimately the only people who enjoy babysitting are pedos and teenage girls.
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>>147483250
>400 hours to get good at a fucking point and click adventure bag carrying simulator
the fuck are you people smoking
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>>147482438
>>147483164
Speaking of which, anybody know what happened to the hooker at the start of HM Day 2? She seems to be missing now and it's just the loser nerd by himself.
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>>147482919
Its canon, senpai. Sokol mentions vodka in dialogue and Bonnie literally carries a bottle of Rivertown glen around with her.
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>>147483393
Oh Jesus how naive you are.

The amount of PD2 players I've met with 100+ hours in and still don't know how to progress the actual heist are legion. That's because all it takes is one guy who knows what he's doing chasing the actual objectives while the other three can just run around and kill cops for the entire heist. And most new players do exactly that and so they don't even know how to set up a thermal drill.
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>>147464608
"I expect you guys to have this."
Specifically doesn't have that, wonders why they get kicked, and complains about the community as opposed to their own stupidity.
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>Able to fit a fully chopped up and silenced raven into a 3 concealment build with a still halfway decent pistol
>I'm sure this is stupid but I'm getting a bit tired of the CAR
What are some other primaries (other than akimbo) that can get a fairly high concealment?
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>>147483624
If you aren't good at 100 hours, I can assure that you won't be good at fucking 1000 hours.
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>>147483887
Most of the shitters who can't even figure out a thermal drill are gone when the next new shiny Call of Doody clone comes out.
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>>147483837
macaroni with full sawed off bits
clarinet with +3 concealment boost
that gun from the sokol pack
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>>147483393
You'd think 400 hours would be enough.
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>>147482438
PDTH always had better girls.
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>>147483250
>in a pub just after some extra cash and to unwind
>sub level 60's and a guy whos a I-73
>not looking forward to it but press on
>try to stealth with high level guy to get things done easier but newfags just charge in blasting guards
>they're shooting fleeing civilians and running balls deep into cops
>tell them to stop acting so retarded and killing everyone as I wait on the drill to do its thing
>"lol dude stop trying so hard on objectives its a FPS"
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>>147484876
>hey guys I'm bringing armor kits
>why do we need ecms, its just shadowraid
>I only play loud
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Animecon heist when

Completing this while everyone wears the Kawaii mask gets you an achievement
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>>147488540
>still no Starbreeze HQ where we still the MT and dlc money
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>>147488601
Infinite heist where we rob people with endless microtransactions when?
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So I'm trying to customise my mega weeaboo mask.

How's this for a start?

Seems like the hair and eyes ignore the material and just paints the first colour on, and then the rest of the pattern goes on the face. The glowy beads seem to retain the pink glow but try to glow through the second colour.
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Dear god why

Planet
Violent Bite
Black / Coral Red
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>>147489275
>>147489417
My advice for a good Mega Kawaii mask is to go Imperial for pattern + Black/Magenta for colour. Material doesn't matter but I went with Days.
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I'm playing big oil day one and the captain is there so instead of trying to kill him or just run to the exit everyone chooses to just sit in the house and not even try to make a move
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[shilling intensifies]
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>>147490062
Do you need help?

Maybe they're just waiting to open the lab first.
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Havent played this game in 2 years. whats the meme build for me to go? I remember being mastermind for the 'Get the fuck up'.
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>>147491024
Whatever you want. You have to see the skill trees for yourself.
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>>147490062
>big oil with pubs
gee anon, I wonder why it's going shit
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>>147490915
reminds me of chaika for some reason
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How about this for a dryad motif?
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https://www.strawpoll.me/10668678
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>>147493048
>that lead
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>>147443981
I imagine things get tense between the two when not on the job.

>Hey you guys!
>I stole clothes out of Commisar's wardrobe!
>What you think? "The Commisar outsmarts you again, assholes," am I right?
>...Jacket?
>Please put down bat.
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>>147492261
holy shit! now i need the mega kawaii mask now, but we can improve that.
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>>147492261
>>147494216
>there will never be a Chaika heister
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>>147494216
>>147494273
fuck off anime fags eat shit and die
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>>147494534
No, fuck you leatherman.
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>>147494640
What is leatherman
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>>147494273
>>147494216

>>147494534
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>>147494216
>>147494273
Fuck off, we don't need a repeat of the previous Chaika fag.
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>>147494753
how new r u
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Decided to go with the Ornamental Crown pattern from Point Break instead of the Fur pattern from Goat Sim.

But damn, I severely underestimated how shitty the Plywood material's brown colour looks without the blue lighting in the mask customisation screen.
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>>147494934
What does it mean
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA OH WOW

ARE YOU SHITTING ME?

How are you supposed to customise this shit if this is how you distribute the two colours? Holy shit. Whose bright fucking idea was this?
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>>147495652
lurk more
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>>147495729
That's actually pretty good since I can make a really obnoxiously bad mask from it.
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>try to make edgy tacticool knight helmet
>end up making this instead
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>>147496102
reminds me of the Dozer mask
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GET THE FUCK UP
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>>147496102
4/10 Not even sure what to think about it
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>>147464608
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qku_VDZoB6c
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>>147499361
That's pretty funny.
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>full lobby
>The host has left the game
every fucking time
WHY
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>>147498878
Cloakers are ethereal beings.
Oh but Overkill didn't put them in the game on launch because they didn't work ;)
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bernetti > gruber

dlc pistols a shit.
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>>147500530
Was there a contract?
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>>147500580
because it would crash when you got cloaked
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Breaker shotgun and judge best combo in the game
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>>147477031
On OVK? I just can't imagine the regen being enough without any sort of doge?
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>>147489417
>>147490734
These are hands down the two best ones, spoopy af.
>>147490915
>ghost niggers
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>>147504480
on dw. you have enough armor to survive a few hits and have the mobility to get the fuck out when necessary. just take cover more often.
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>>147505417
I'm more a fan of Crook+Hostage Taker. The regen is a lot slower so taking cover is still required and elementary in the gameplay, but the doge sort of gives you pic related when shit start hitting the fan. Feels much more viable on DW?
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>>147505587
Hostage taker sucks ass dude you have to put like 30 points into it and the skills you get in that tree aren't even that good plus you aren't always going to have a hostage and its a fucking pain in the ass sometimes to dominate someone
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>>147494759
>>147494534
there's literally nothing wrong with a chaika mask.
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>>147502240
>Bothering with pistols that only break 40
Hello 2014, I miss you.
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>>147506468
>Hostage taker sucks ass dude you have to put like 30 points into it
Hostage Taker Aced was already a great skill. Niche and dependent on preference and playstyle but definitely good.

>and the skills you get in that tree aren't even that good
Joker skills are pretty hilarious as they are right now.

>plus you aren't always going to have a hostage
Yes you will, especially jokers in DW.

>and its a fucking pain in the ass sometimes to dominate someone
You only need one to start being super sanic.
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>>147490915
>Not doing a gyaru version instead
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>only been playing jimmy lately
>can't get enough of him
>feel like he may trump some of the original crew in terms of favorites

how did overkill manage to get such a based character after how awful wick and bodhi turned out?
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>>147508812
Sharlto Copley, that's how.
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>>147506468
>>147507767
Yeah, Hostage Taker is fucking great right now. It's not Grindr, but well enough if you aren't too much of a shitter. And Joker+addons are just hilarious right now, they're great! Plus having a lot of fringe bonuses, +health, +sanic, etc. Well worth the points anyhow.
And grabbing a cop is fucking ezmoed as long as you have a buzzer. Zap, them, run around and scream at their butts and you'll have them insta-surrender 75% of the time. The surplus can be used for bringing out custodied shitters, or backups would one of your copfriends go down.
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>>147508812
Jimmy is the man. Definitely the best non original character
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>>147507767
>>147509287
Well everyone has their own playstyle I guess but to me there is so much better shit I can spend those 30 points on
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