Autism Edition
NIGHTMARE SLAIN: >>146966548
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The rocket fists look kind of cool but the other ones are pretty dumb looking.
>>147181492
Not that fucking image
>>147181717
They are all pretty dumb to be honest. It's clear that the person that made it plays way too much MonHon.
>>147181717
It looks like a weapon from LoL, not Bloodborne
>Autism Edition
>3/6 posts not even 20 minutes are by Luci with his webms
Fitting.
>>147183429
At least they're out of the way now
>>147183429
>>147183541
I could see a weapon that was also an instrument working but that shit looks dumb as heck.
>Walking around in the Forbidden Woods where the Celestial Emissaries live
>Fall on some grass that makes a wooden floor sound when stepped on
>"oh my god a secret????"
>Hit it a bunch of times
>Throw molotovs
>Plan on getting the timed molotovs from the DLC to see if they'll blow up the floor
>Check around the area for clues
>Find the wooden floor sound on a few other grass patches
>It's a 'who fucked up the sound design on project beast this time' episode instead
FUCK
Sometimes I dream of just finding one more secret
>>147184341
Could have been stuff that ended up not getting implemented, who knows. I like to think it's nasty little dens the ayys were kept in, but they got out.
>>147183884
Every instrument used as a weapon would be dumb as fuck, but I think they would be fine for hunter tools, like a transverse flute that summons snakes similar to Madaras Whistle.
are you guys cool with me being a 117 shitter if i pumped END up to 40?
>>147183884
>heck
Watch you're language young lad, or I'll smash yer cu******nt in sware in me mym,
>>147185339
You're triggering me.
>>147185339
No one likes a 117 shitter, period. Even 120s are less despised.
>>147185339
Whatever, real men play sub-70 anyway so we won't be dealing with you. Enjoy plebbit.
>>147186041
>real men hide like cowards rather than face someone they think might be stronger
You what now?
>>147185339
Nobody actually cares unless they have severe crippling autism, go for it
>>147186143
98 is a shit BL Luci, let it go. It doesn't even keep you away from the 120shitters.
>>147186482
Refer to >>147183662
Come on guys, you should know this by now.
>>147186482
>It doesn't even keep you away from the 120shitters.
It was never meant to. Some of us aren't afraid of them, kiddo.
>>147182850
>>147181872
>>147181645
Must you post this shit that no one cares about every thread?
What's with all the bloodstains at the Hunter's Dream?
>>147187058
Because it is relevant and helpful. If you don't want to see them you can just filter their hashes.
>>147184341
>he doesn't know
>>147184341
You're in the know, right?
>>147187207
>relevant and helpful
With all those people asking how to beat those bosses right now.
>>147187794
>>147187058
>>147186482
stop replying
What the fuck has this general turned into?
>>147187136
Sacrifices to the Doll, hallowed be her name. She gives all unto the hunters and some choose to give back.
>>147187136
People killing themselves with Logarius' Wheel, Chikage and Bloodletter because they want to annoy you.
>>147187794
They are the ones that are asked about the most.
I asked in the previous thread about my STR build but while thinking things over, I started wondering if I should put the last five levels towards ARC so I can use the HMS and whatever tools that would allow for. Is the HMS worth it on a pure STR or should I put the points elsewhere?
>>147189158
18 Arc is a decent investment on a Str HLMS build.
Is there an objectively better option for non-BT builds in PVP in terms of guns between Hunter's Pistol/Blunderbuss/Ludwig's Rifle?
>>147190315
Repeating pistol if you want to do damage. I usually have it and a hunter pistol equipped. I use the hunter pistol for parries and the repeating pistol (w/BMA) for damage.
>>147190315
Use the Blunderbuss with specific gems you can turn it into a fucking cannon. Don't listen to lucy he hasn't actually played PvP in ages and has like 200 hours tops.
>Curse the fiends, their children too.
>And their children's children, forever true
>Are called to the Bloodlust, wherever they be
what did she mean by this?
>>147191184
He asked about a non-bloodtinge build.
>>147191184
it's only a cannon if you've got high BLT, though
plus you have to be right in their dick for that to happen, so good luck getting that to work consistently
>>147191380
Hunters forever will be doomed to suffer from blood-addling and be drawn into the Hunter's Nightmare for being part of a tradition that helped massacre an entire village.
>>147191630
but why involve random Yharnamites as well? they did nothing wrong, but they too suffer from Bloodlust and blood-addling. Hell, you even find normie hunters in the Nightmare. The Orphan is one petty-ass motherfucker
>>147191630
Why was everyone in the Nightmare trying to hide the secret and the Orphan? I imagine it was out of shame, but wouldn't they want the Nightmare to end as well?
>>147192046
Why would they want the nightmare to end? It's pretty safe to assume the curse is going to continue. The Nightmare functions as a convenient prison/asylum.
>>147192046
I always thought that the Church was trying to hide the Orphan as a means of trying to cut their losses, and shame
>have a staff of Hunters
>half of them are perpetually half blood-drunk
>allow access to a pocket dimension of endless, consequence-free slaughter
>that also contains massively bad PR for the organization
the predictable happens. Plus, you've got a precedent for Hunters betraying the Church after getting set loose in the Nightmare, like Maria, so best cut bait and run
>>147192368
no. Hunters only show up in the Nightmare upon death. Nightmare or no Nightmare, the HoH or similar organizations would still need to go around and clean up the blood-drunk Hunters. Until the Orphan dies, blood-drunkenness will still plague the Hunters and Yharnam, and so it's in everyone's best interests for it to end
What could be dobe to help him beat Ludwig?
>>147187794
Stop fucking replying to him, what the fuck?
>>147192046
Who is everyone?
>>147191847
Yharnamites 420blazed too much of the red medicine bredah, they went off the deep end. You can only smoke so much Elder God stuff before you go batshit bonkers.
>>147191847
Random Yharnamites were never involved. The Yharnamites that are in the Nightmare were Hunters. Remember your Ludwig lore.
>>147187953
Rancid beasts, every last one of us...
>>147192610
But I was wondering why Maria, someone trapped in the Nightmare but still obviously somewhat sane, was trying to hide the Orphan. Doesn't seem like there's a clear answer, though.
>>147193385
I meant normie Yharnamites, who weren't tied to the Dream, is all.
>>147193561
They're not cursed.
>>147193468
Shame?
>>147193632
More like regret.
>>147192046
I don't know about everyone. For the most part the Hunters there seem pretty unaffiliated with each other. The ones in the Clocktower are probably just insane and doing what they would have done in the real world, or manifestations of someone else's subconscious, behaving similarly to how they were remembered.
In the case of Brador, he never cut off affiliation with the Church in spite of his circumstances. But he's obviously fucked up in the head. Ludwig is similar, but he's debatably even crazier than Brador due to his predicament.
Besides Maria, Ludwig and Brador are the only person I can think of trying to hide the secret. Simon, the only other Hunter with his sanity (Maria and Brador are fucked up) besides the player, is trying to uncover it.
>>147193468
well, we know that she felt intense guilt over her actions with the Church, and with helping the Hunters in Byrgenwerth.
I had always thought that she was responsible for the creation of the Hunter's Nightmare. The Nightmare serves as an army that protects the fishing hamlet -- any interloper who arrives in the Nightmare to fuck up the Orphan has to get through a literal army of blood-crazed, rabid Hunters and beasts. Good luck. Even the MC isn't "expected" to be able to do so until they're end-game level, which makes them among the most powerful creatures in the whole universe. It's a pretty efficient security system desu.
>>147193794
Yeah, "everyone" was a mistake. I realized right after that I was really just referring to Maria and Brador.
>>147193468
>Still obviously somewhat sane.
Just because she's composed and soft-spoken doesn't mean she's not batshit anon. But I agree with what the others posted. It was probably shame and regret.
>>147193561
Yeah, those guys don't appear in the Nightmare. If they weren't Hunters they're not there.
>>147193794
Ludwig isn't trying to protect anything, he only attacks you because he's a crazy beast.
>>147193613
Well, they've gone nuts with blood-addling and are stuck in the Nightmare as a result. I'd say that's pretty cursed.
>>147193379
What I'm proposing is the idea that the Blood didn't drive people mad with bloodlust until AFTER Byrgenwerth fucked up the Orphan. The Orphan's "curse of Blood" was making the stuff addictive
>>147193941
you can be a Hunter and not be tied to the Dream. Wasn't that Ludwig's whole gimmick, raising an army of such people?
>>147194103
Everyone in the Nightmare is either a hunter, a beast or a fishing hamlet inhabitant.
>>147193951
I don't think he's there protecting anything intentionally, I just assumed he was being used as something of a guard dog even if he wasn't aware of it.
>>147194103
Yeah, you can be a Hunter and not be tied to the dream. That Ludwig thing is precisely what I was talking about. The Hunters he raised were probably drawn into the Nightmare after becoming blood-addled, but the point I was trying to make is that they didn't need to be connected to the Hunter's Dream beforehand to be confined to the Nightmare. I think we just misunderstood each other though.
>>147194180
are the fishing hamlet guys even "real," (as in, people ported into the Nightmare), or are they just projections of people who existed IRL?
>>147194336
The fishing hamlet itself was ripped from the waking world and placed in the nightmare imo
>Willem
>Laurence
>Ludwig
>Micolash
out of all of these fuckups, who fucked up the hardest?
>>147194436
I think it use to be where the Rom fight is now.
>>147194476
depends on who started first
pretty sure master willem got the eye-lined ball rolling, so him
plus unlike ludwig or laurence, who can at least move, he's almost entirely immobile and thoughtless
>>147194719
b-but muh ascended existence!
>>147194547
Byrgenwerth is near a lake though, Fishing Hamlet was close to the sea.
>>147194719
Willem got things started, but he also warned everyone of the dangers of blood. Laurence then proceeded to completely not listen and start the Healing Church, and then later he called in the Moon Presence which made things only a whole new level of fucked-up.
So I'd say that Laurence deserves plenty of blame too.
>>147195103
Laurence called the MP before he even left Byrgenwerth, since Willem apparently knew that Gehrman was trapped in the Dream.
IMO they called the MP to deal with the Chalice Dungeons
>have Hunters spelunkan in the CDs
>come across uber-superhuman beings
>try and fight them as normal human beings
>lol no
they called the MP to progress their research
>>147195103
>but he also warned everyone of the dangers of blood
He didn't need to inject mystical blood to go on a killing spree in a village of innocent people and turn his own school into a monster house.
>>147194816
Probably somewhere outside of Yharnam's immediate location.
Now you got me craving more info on what the rest of BB's world is like.
>get summoned at Rom
>keep getting rekt
Is BL53 too low? I have 27vit. Where should I farm for blood echoes
>>147196203
If you feel like you're doing good damage you don't need to level, you need to work on your dodging.
If your damage is too low upgrade your weapon and get better gems. Blood level isn't very important, and 53 is enough for Rom.
>>147196203
No. Level 60 is about right for that area. Most people have around 30 vit at that point.
>>147196203
are you in the normal game, or is this CD Rom?
because if it's main game Rom, BL53 and 27 vit is plenty
>>147196443
>CD Rom
Good one
>>147196443
>CD Rom
>>147196732
B A E
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>>147194719
Wasn't Willem right and if they'd listened to him they'd have a voided a lot of hardship?
>>147197063
KOS
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>>147197063
>being attracted to a fucking idiot, and a massive failure who did literally everything wrong
I seriously hope you guys don't do this
Alright it's that time again... Wish I didn't wait so long between playthroughs. I'd have remembered this on my own.
Just about to go after Rom and start the wackiness that is the blood moon. What needs to be done prior to this least it be missed until the next NG+? Already defeated the hoontah with Eileen and got the whore to the chapel. Not sure what else I should do prior.
>>147197217
Sounds like someone was Augur'd a bit too much
>>147197340
Nothing, you're ready for the red moon.
why does the Moon Presence hate Mergo so much? Why does it want the Hunters to assassinate it?
>>147197340
Go save the local yandere. She disappears after Rom.
>>147197572
That's all fanfic
>>147197603
>>147197340
Yanderes are shit, don't listen to this man. Leave her.
>>147197695
>>147197603
Yanderes?
>>147197695
Don't listen to this man, he's probably a Vileblood.
Save that nun.
>>147197153
AWOOOO
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>>147197790
A Moonrunese term for a girl who is dangerously obsessed with the target of her affection, often to the point of being violent to those she considers stealing her loved one from her.
Adella kills Arianna if you accept her blood 3 times, or just kills her if you accepted her blood at all and it's after Rom.
>>147197694
Moon Presence doesn't give a fuck about you doing anything but killing Mergo
you can leave almost half of the Great Ones in the game alive, and so long as you kill Mergo, it allows you to leave the dream peacefully
your "contract" as a Hunter is fulfilled when you do this
>>147198005
Doesn't mean that Moon Presence hates it, or feels anything for it
>>147197867
This. As a Vileblood myself, Adella is worth saving. Just don't accept Arianna's blood if you're trying to 100% waifus.
>>147198093
then why would it contract an entire organization of humans to assassinate it? be reasonable, anon
>>147198252
Yharnam also wants you to kill Mergo, but she clearly doesn't hate it
>NG+ player summoning me for Shadows of Yarnham
>Im in NG
its like im being bullied. I do almost no damage
>>147197217
Wait what??
Did I miss something??
I thought senpai was the shining star of Byrgenwerth academy desu~
>>147197867
there is literally nothing wrong with being a vileblood
>>147197993
Ah, alright.
>>147197695
>>147197603
Got her already but I don't remember if I got Ariana's blood before I put the game on hold for a while. Wasn't planning on fighting MP anyway though.
If I kill everyone in the chapel, do I get anything out of it? I think the fucking weird guy gives a rune.
>>147198313
I always thought that Yharnam wanted you to free Mergo from the Mensis' clutches.
That just so happens to involve killing Mergo, since it's consciousness is trapped in the Nightmare
>>147198360
Filth would think that, wouldn't it.
>>147198587
>implying that Logarius didn't have a massive crush on Annalise
I see you missed the first few panels of this comic, where Logarius is looking forward to attending one of Annalises' court balls
>>147198526
Maybe Moon Presence wants the same thing.
There's no real indication about what its intentions are, but it's clearly related to Pthumerians and Vilebloods, as it casts numbing mist and its design is reminescent of blood dregs.
>>147198587
I always felt bad for him. Pressed the assault, finally triumphed over his mortal enemy and... Fuck. She's immortal. Gonna sit here until the end of time and guard her throne room until some asshole who's looking for fancy gloves shows up.
>>147198882
as opposed to grinding her into paste, which is 100x more effective at disposing of her, I guess
>>147198587
>>>/tg/48062331
Found a friend for you, wheelfag.
>>147198724
>Logarius sealed Annalise cause he knew she was immortal, but not to stop her, but to protect her from psychos like Alfred.
Cute.
>>147198937
I think he knew that wouldn't work out in the end.
>>147198937
>effective
It was completely pointless.
Why doesn't this great man get the credit he deserves for crushing vermin? He's not bent on destroying just one type of vermin but the whole damn infestation.
>>147199012
>>147199183
well neither does just sealing her away, so just ask yourself which lasts longer
keep in mind that most hunters don't have ready access to the Alter of Despair
>>147199185
Only confederates can see vermin
>>147198724
>>147198970
>Pushing your tumblr fanfic-tier """"lore""""
I have the only panel that matters, the one that means purging you disgusting monstrosities.
I bet you fags made twink pretty-boys and white haired red eyed DeviantArt OCs in the character creator too.
>>147199185
quit slaughtering my friends, for the last time they don't have Vermin in them you blood-addled mother fucker!
>>147199263
>so just ask yourself which lasts longer
Clearly sealing her away.
She's been sealed for so long that Logarius became a mummy in the process.
>>147199347
Roleplayers are just as cringeworthy as fanfic writers.
>>147199263
Sealing her away worked incredibly well.
>keep in mind that most hunters don't have ready access to the Alter of Despair
Which means guarding her and placing an illusion over her area to make it look inaccessible is even better than grinding her to paste that can be carried off and revived.
>>147199185
Thank you for sacrificing your sanity to save us all from disgusting wretched Vermin.
ilu Sean Bean Buckethead
>>147199315
Which is why we're so fucking awesome.
>>147199376
You shouldn't be friends with vermin.
are Vermin real?
>>147199568
>sacrificing your sanity
did they all go nuts?
>>147199669
How can vermin be real if our eyes aren't real?
>>147199347
>being this butthurt
Nothing wrong with memeing lad.
And I haven't made any twinks.Yet.
Anybody wanna help me with blood starved beast in chalice dungeon? Pass is fag
Help a hunter get some guiding moonlight? Sitting outside Nightmare Church, level 51, password bbg.
>>147199682
Yes
>>147199682
>implying that your sanity is valuable in any way
>implying that you can see the Truth as a sane man
come join us, anon! Insight is fun!
>>147199920
Be there in a sec friend.
>>147197572
Mergo died at birth and the calcified remains compose the Yharnam stone. The version you encounter is just their consciousness trapped in a nightmare realm similar to the orphan. Killing the nurse probably frees them which would explain why queen Yharnam bows her head in gratitude afterwards.
The Moon Presence has a lot of connections to Queen Yharnam, so it may have just been trying to help.
>>147200057
but why couldn't it descend on Mergo in the Nightmare and do the job itself? Why involve the Hunters as proxy killers? Was the Wet Nurse stopping it, or something?
>>147200004
>>147199978
Yeah, high insight, aliens on walls. Got it. But did the League's members all lose it canonically?
>>147200163
Great Ones work in mysterious ways, anon
>>147199682
Well poor Harry Po- er I mean Yamamura did.
Plus have you ever spoken to Sean Bea- er I mean Valtr?
The dude can't even see vermin and he still sees vermin
>>147200296
>Henryk
Yes
>Yamamura
Yes
>Antal
Yes
>Madaras
Yes
>Valtr
Kind of
>>147200471
How do we know Henryk was a member? Not all hunters were.
>>147200050
Thanks friend. All those deaths were worth it.
>>147200572
You can only summon him if you join the league.
>>147200654
Happy to help
>>147200686
Ah well that makes sense.
So I chose crazy. But Al was crazy too. Fuck, everyone in this game is crazy but Leaguers get to be crazy together.
>>147200471
>Antal
who?
>>147200936
They Yahar'gul guy with the Church Pick.
I'm not exactly sure if he's a confederate.
>>147195485
This picture makes me want to go and make a buccaneer on Bloodborne seeking out the Fishing Hamlet, but I don't want to go through the damn game again.
>>147201073
>I don't want to go through the damn game again
>>147195250
Willem knew? I haven't been here in months, when did we find that out?
>>147201347
>"Oh, Laurence... Master Willem... Somebody help me... Unshackle me please, anybody... I've had enough of this dream... The night blocks all sight... Oh, somebody, please... "
>>147201204
I don't though.
Most of the early game bosses give me trouble and the late game bosses are the ones I have a better time dealing with. It's embarrassing for me.;_;
>>147201451
>Most of the early game bosses give me trouble
Like who?
>>147201451
There's always a new password to post.
do we know the lyrics to Laurence's theme?
>>147201582
Something something sanguine sanctum
>>147201438
I didn't really take that like that, but hey. You know what? New perspective.
>>147201451
You're the guy who can't handle the witches but have no problem with Ebritas, right?
So what exactly was the Eldrich truth in the chalice dungeons? Because nothing down there is all that crazy, especially compared to the main game. Having such a lore important area be procedurally generated dungeons is Bloodbornes biggest fault.Unless they went mad from the insanity brought upon by farming maxed Blunt gems, there's only so many Merciless Watchers a man can kill before losing his mind.
>>147201504
Like.Gascoigne and BSB
Leave me alone.;__________;
>>147198791
I never thought about it that way, anon
>>147201880
>Gascoigne
Lrn2parry
>BSB
Walk left, have antidotes ready for phase three, don't use them until BSB has already started an attack.
>>147201880
Ouch, well here's hoping to you getting better at them.
>>147201880
So gay.
Is there such a thing as "good blood?" I was under the impression it was responsible for pretty much everything horrible happening.
>>147201809
The Eldritch Truth is the mere existence of these things at all. That's sort of the whole point of cosmic horror, that these totally out there bizarre things exist at odds to what we thought we knew about the universe. Eldritch is an antiquated word that just means weird or strange, it just got popularized through post-Lovecraft writers and has now come to mean very specifically weird alien shit.
>>147202178
it's just the church's prayer, anon. the church teaches that the blood is a good thing that's worthy of worship, so the townsfolk praise the Good Blood as a deity. An edible deity that gets you drunk
>>147202178
Yeah, but the average church goober doesn't know that. It's a benign, everyday religious institution for pretty much everybody but the higher ups.
>>147201786
Is there someone like that here? I mean, I've never once died to the Witches, but I do think they're annoying to fight yeah. I dislike bosses that run around too much. I'll say this, Ebrietas wasn't particularly HARD for me, but she was definitely much more threatening than the Witches and I had to heal a lot.
>>147201582
It's a fan transcription from someone on reddit, so take from that what you will.
>Sic filii scite tibi vi sacramentum
>Erit praemium sanguine sanctum
>Erit praemium sanguine sanctum absconditum
>Vel venio hūmānitās tendo pendēre
>Sanguine sanctum
>Honesta rete sanguinem
>Expectare iste blasphemia
>Es vītae ita dissimilum
>Terrēs vīcerit trānem bestia
>Honesta rete sanguinem
>Expectare iste blasphemia
>Hac mystērium obsumus
>Arguam vitae ere non absolvis
>Dido tuus
>Timere
>Dido tuus
>Sanguine
>Timere
>Venēna scitis.
>Festiva praestābere
>Sanguine Sanctum
>Ita venīte iste vinum
>languēscendum
>O, succus temero
What are the odds of a new From game similar to Bloodborne? I know that sequels suck but if we got something similar to what Dark Souls was to Demon Souls (similar setting/gameplay but different world/lore) then it could be golden.
I LITERALLY can't get excited for any games nowadays, Bloodborne was that good for me and I just need something similar from Fromsoft.
>>147201978
I've beaten Gascoigne once without ever moving far from the front door or even taking damage. On certain characters, I can get him really good. On others it's a bitch and a half and he's one of the main reasons I don't really do new runs anymore.
I heard the other day that Darkbeasts are Abhorrent Beasts that have risen from the grave. Is there any truth to this?
>Those fucking 2D gargoyle things by the ladder leading from the sewer to Gascoigne
I'm actually starting to get angry at them.
>>147202503
I doubt it, their anatomy is quite different. They could possibly belong to a subgroup of beasts, or something.
>>147202503
Well, Darkbeasts are referred to as undead, so I guess it could be true. Makes sense, really. Reanimated by their galvinism or something, but why do they grow so huge then?
>>147181492
Deathmarch isn't that bad, probably the best one there. If the lute animations played different notes that were thoughtfully selected it could be pretty cool.
Beastblade is fine but a bit boring. Gillian's would look out of place in Bloodborne even with the Powder Kegs, it's a bit underdesigned for them. Starlighter has a good design but would be redundant considering arcane builds already have blacksy eye and augur.
Starslayer looks bad.
>>147202481
Good chance of Bloodborne 2, I imagine.
I hope. Cause I can't enjoy any games at all anymore aside from this one.
>>147188213
The only really helpful one of those webms is the one for Amy.
>>147202657
>>147202672
I dunno, maybe the process of turning undead gives them a powerlevel upgrade, and they burst like a balloon, like Amelia popping and growing 10x.
All I know is that they share a boss theme called Darkbeast, have similar electricity powers, and are connected to Loran. So it sounded plausible to me.
>>147202726
Anon please no. Did you not learn your lesson from DaS2 and DaS3? Settings wear their welcome out fast.
>>147202841
I never played DaS games. No interest in the medieval setting.
Although I hear almost exclusively bad things.
>>147202503
Abhorrent beasts aren't undead, Bloodletting beasts are.
>>147203059
no, but Darkbeasts are undead
>bloodletting beasts are undead
in which anon posts things that have literally no evidence in game
>>147203114
>no head
>still walks
>>147203114
Well, I mean... one of them doesn't have a head.
>>147202841
Why do people keep using Dark Souls 2 and 3 as an example? The problems with Dark Souls 3 were fatigue, nothing more. It was a fantastic game that is better than the first one in more ways than not. DaS2 was the B team.
There have been 4 Souls games set in a near identical setting that was already pretty generic.
How is Bloodborne 2, (that would essentially be another Lovecraft/Victorian setting) even remotely comparable?
>>147203213
All sequels are shit, or decent at best.
>>147203212
>>147203198
it's a meat puppet being controlled by the maggot thing, it isn't undead
>>147203335
That's exactly what "undead" means.
"no longer alive but animated by a supernatural force, as a vampire or zombie."
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/undead
>>147203213
DaS3 was fine, but as I said before, the setting has worn out it's welcome. People are burnt out on the Souls setting, and it's replayability took a huge hit as a result. From games live and die by the playerbase's willingness to explore the world and learn more about it, and they don't do this if they're bored with the world.
Fatigue is why making sequels to "souls-like" games is a mistake, no matter how good the game is to newcomers
Why didn't Alfred put Annalise in concrete and throw her in the ocean? Why didn't he do the same with his crown? Even just chaining her up and throwing her in the ocean would have been good.
>>147203213
90% of Dark Souls 3 is a rehash, it has no merits.
>>147203589
he was too busy contemplating suicide
>>147203589
>Even just chaining her up and throwing her in the ocean would have been good
It would have been just as useless as destroying her body.
Also Alfred doesn't have a crown, he's no king.
>>147202726
>>147203213
People us DS2/3 as examples of why we don't want a BB2 because of the serious perceived downgrade in quality, with DS2 being near universally reviled for a whole host of reasons and DS3 being generally seen as a disappoint to a lot of people.
Miyazaki has apparently stated he doesn't like sequels. Bloodborne is a perfectly concise, tight story and setting, it doesn't need a sequel. Miyazaki went on to Bloodborne after DS1, supervising DS2 only, while another team without his direction made it. Another major problem is we now know the twist of the game. You can't replicate that again. Either B Team will come along and say 'no it was actually something ELSE all along!' or they'll delve waaaay too deep and explain absolutely everything away, ruining the point of the game. There is nothing you can do.
What Bloodborne could use is some more minor DLC, like a cape option, or a mid-sized new area to explore with some cool little story attached that, like the Hunter's Nightmare, doesn't necessarily affect the base game's story.
>>147203768
>add an option to make capes and overcoats a separate equip slot
just take my money
>>147203763
>It would have been just as useless as destroying her body.
The issue was people finding her.
Make her impossible to find and you're good.
>>147203939
The issue is that she always comes back no matter what.
Throwing her in the ocean only means that now she's free to leave Cainhurst.
>>147203869
Honestly, it's all I fucking want, even if they have no defensive value, just let me equip whatever capes I want.
>>147203768
Story wise we probably don't need it, but I'd like a sequel or a shitload of DLC. Just like the game a lot.
Which twist are you referring to though?
>>147203869
>New DLC does nothing but add in cape slots, maybe even others somehow, along with a bunch of new outfits
I'd pay full price for this.
>>147203589
>"why didn't they just toss the One Ring in the ocean?"
>>147204083
>The issue is that she always comes back no matter what.
What?
The issue is that she cannot die.
>>147204112
The One Ring is a high risk item that can be used to destroy a greater threat.
Annalise is just a slut who kills people.
>>147204096
The eldritch horror.
>farming FRC bosses
>die but always reclaim my echoes
>sometimes my echoes aren't in the boss room
>lose echoes because they've just vanished into thin air
What's the deal with this?
>>147204203
>The issue is that she cannot die
That's what I said, even if she dies she comes back.
The difference between her being in a tower and her being in the ocean is that the ocean leads to a lot of places, while the tower is confined.
>>147204317
bloodlickers have them
try exiting and re-entering the dungeon
>>147204220
As it, "it was aliens?"
>>147203492
>setting has worn its welcome
So how does that relate to Bloodborne 2? How is it possible to have Victorian/Lovecraftian fatigue when there are a total of 1~ game that I know of with that setting?
>>147203610
SO was Dark Souls 1.
>>147203768
DS2 yes, DS3 however did not have a serious downgrade in quality.
Dark Souls 1s entire second fucking half was a serious downgrade in quality.
>>147204203
>A slut
Got any sources for that deep lore?
>>147204203
Waitaminute, the One Ring can't be used except by Sauron himself. It can't destroy shit for you.
>>147204356
shut up BITCH
If you weight something down a lot and put it at the bottom of the ocean it's very unlikely that it will wash up some place. Unless she breaks her bonds and floats to the surface she'll stay at the bottom of the ocean until a submarine finds her and salavages her which will never fucking happen you complete idiot.
>>147204389
Yes.
>>147204432
>SO was Dark Souls 1
No, Dark Souls 1 is its own story, setting and universe. It only has a small selection of recycled things, but I don't like that game either.
>>147204432
>>147204432
>how does that relate to BB2
BB's setting is wrapped up in a neat little bow. There's nothing new to add that wouldn't be CYCLES tier garbage, or overexplaining backstory. And with nothing new, interest wanes
>>147204514
It can kill Sauron if you throw it in the volcano. That was the whole point of taking it there.
>>147204540
She has the whole eternity to make it happen.
No point in arguing with a 14 year old though.
>>147204438
why does she wear the mask?
>>147204648
You don't actually kill Sauron, his essence remains.
But that post made it sound useful in some way. It has no uses unless you're its creator. Destroying it to remove its creator from the world isn't a function.
>>147204738
Griffith reference.
>>147204648
>Sauron
>killable
>>147204705
She also has a whole eternity until somebody stronger than Logarius shows up and kills him for sport.
>>147203768
>Bloodborne is a perfectly concise, tight story and setting, it doesn't need a sequel.
It really is not. This is a better, more fitting description for Demon's Souls, not Bloodborne. Bloodborne is kind of a mess, it leaves way too much open that you can't really make too much sense out of. You could certainly try. You could certainly get close, but none of it is really satisfying. I agree though, it doesn't need a sequel, because a sequel would fucking ruin it regardless. What it needs is more DLC.
>>147204389
>>147204432
>How is it possible to have Victorian/Lovecraftian fatigue when there are a total of 1~ game that I know of with that setting?
Because one of the things that made Bloodborne big was the sudden reveal that it's not just mad doctors and werewolves, that the Gothic exterior was just the surface level of an entire background of cosmic horror. You can't do that reveal again, you can't discover those weird secrets again. Part of the truly unique charm of the game is wandering through the Forbidden Woods and finding weird blue mushroom men, and then Byrgenwerth, and then Rom, noticing how these are really really clashing with the werewolves and hunters in long coats being stylish, then the Nightmare and Amygdalae perched on every single goddman building and finding you were in a cosmic horror story all along. That reveal is gone.
What else can you do that isn't just more of the same? What can you add that doesn't ruin the weird mystery of the original game that left you wondering but unable to ever truly comprehend the scope of the horror? You can't just trick us again and say something else is behind it all, that's a shit cop out. Bloodborne is too tightly designed to revisit again in a full game. Some small, non-connected DLCs? Sure, I'd love that, but an entire game just seem infeasible.
>>147204835
Never even thought about it that way, but it's really, really nice.
>>147204869
That's why his plan was bad, just like yours.
The difference is that Logarius also used a magic crown that stops people from seeing the door.
>>147204946
>I don't understand it = it doesn't make sense
>I'm not satisfied = it's not satisfying
>>147205057
This.
A sequel would kill it, what it needs is more DLC.
>>147205065
>hey maybe I'll try on that dead guy's crown
>oh wow that wall wasn't real
Martyr Logarius could have at least had somebody take the crown away. Maybe he was afraid somebody would knock down the wall or the castle would be raised, which was reasonable, but still. 1,000 years time vs in all likelihood under 150 years time.
>>147205190
Ye.
>>147204432
The thing about BB is that it has a tightly confined story as well that has a clear ending.
In DS you could just be like, "oh well the fire is going out again, better release a new game so nameless 20 something year olds can keep it going since this is what they want so much I guess?".
BB's story revolves around one place with game mechanics and weaponry that are specific to that place and the point of history that place is in.
The only way I can see a sequel sort of working is if they have a story where scholars want to use technology to ascend to becoming great ones there by bringing in the industrial age to Yarhnam and the areas that surround it.
Suddenly Yarhnam is a place people go to because its the center of manufacturing and technology, not because of blood healing. Eventually the scholars use a machine to recreate the ritual of Mensis and actually capture a great one with it, which beckons more great ones to Yarhnam and there by plunges the entirety of Yarhnam into a nightmare.
And you the player character are using steam punkish trick weapons to outright stop the great ones or scholars?
fuck it idk
>>147204946
>it leaves way too much open that you can't really make too much sense out of
But that's the whole idea. It's a cosmic horror story, it's based in the genre of weird fiction, whose purpose as a genre is to create horror stories in which the protagonists and by extensions readers are left ultimately with an event that by all rights shouldn't have happened, but did, it's a mystery. Lovecraft used it to get across a specific concept of human limitation and ignorance, and the fact that even though we become a squid, we still don't truly understand the ramifications and background to all that transpired, and you can't. It's a Gothic tragedy of cosmic proportions.
Why does Miyazaki like Boat Harem so much?
It's not even that good.
>>147204568
>No, Dark Souls 1 is its own story, setting and universe
So that's how you define rehashes? Going by that argument most Mario/Zelda games aren't rehashes. Uncharted 2 and 3 aren't rehashes.
Mechanically, Dark Souls 1 is a complete rehash.
>>147204617
>BB's setting is wrapped up in a neat little bow. There's nothing new to add that wouldn't be CYCLES tier garbage, or overexplaining backstory. And with nothing new, interest wanes
And who said it would have to be a direct continuation of BBs story or even its lore? Why not another Dark Souls tier sequel (relative to Demon Souls)?
>>147205057
>Because one of the things that made Bloodborne big was the sudden reveal that it's not just mad doctors and werewolves
Not really, I was totally spoiled on that and the game is still a 10/10 GOAT master piece to me.
I just don't see any valid arguments as to why we shouldn't get a Bloodborne type game from Fromsoft in a similar setting.
>>147205057
That reveal is gone, but with a story like this one there's so much more to explore. A story does not need some grand reveal or twist to be good. A story does not need to be complex or baffling to be interesting.
We could explore the background of the Great Ones or see the beginnings of the outbreak. Find out more about the surrounding lands and if they have similar problems. There's a very deep world that's been built here and it has a lot of holes that leaves a lot of possibilities for a sequel without destroying the first.
>>147205405
>Why not another Dark Souls tier sequel (relative to Demon Souls)?
It wouldn't be a sequel.
>>147205586
>We could explore the background of the Great Ones
This is so wrong.
Literally the opposite of what makes eldritch horror scary and charming.
>>147205405
>Not really, I was totally spoiled on that and the game is still a 10/10 GOAT master piece to me.
I was, too, but looking at how the game handled its themes, it's a fucking masterpiece. If I hadn't known about the cosmic horror, I would have shit myself because there isn't a game out there today that does it anywhere near as tastefully as Bloodborne. That cosmic horror reveal really matters.
>I just don't see any valid arguments as to why we shouldn't get a Bloodborne type game from Fromsoft in a similar setting.
Oh, I'd love that, too. I want fast paced visceral action with sick ass 18th century style. I just don't want more Bloodborne, because it's perfect as it is.
how can the Byrgenwerth Gatekeeper ask for the password if he's dead?
>>147205586
>A story does not need some grand reveal or twist to be good
True, but after the grand reveal there's only place for the finale.
Everything else would be pointless filler.
>>147205774
Not if its done properly. Remember that we know very little about them. This game didn't exactly give you a concise history and background, nor should it. There's a lot of room for things to learn without giving a full history or eliminating their unknown quality.
>>147205586
But this goes completely against the core concept of cosmic horror. It's absolutely anithetical to WHY the genre was a horror genre. If it's all explained away, you just have another dark fantasy setting with pointless Lovecraft references for surface flavour. Bloodborne's willingess to tell you fuck all is what makes it basically one of the best pieces of modern cosmic horror media in several fucking decades. God knows people have tried, and have mostly failed, but Bloodborne handles it all very tastefully. As a lifelong Lovecraft who sees this stuff get mauled by people who don't know the source material, Bloodborne will forever hold a place in my heart.
>>147202804
What's wrong with the other two in your opinion?
>>147205332
Fair enough.
/bbg/ banter is best banter
>>147205837
Sci Fi souls game soon, friend
>>147206001
>Remember that we know very little about them
That's an extremely important part of their character.
I don't want the mysterious cosmic beings to become generic animals.
If it can be explained, there's no place for it.
>>147205586
>Find out more about the surrounding lands
I get kind of pissy when people say this because the idea of just informing the player that there is a larger world beyond the scope of the game is just to enrich the game world but the difference between those places and the place you're exploring is that they are just normal ordinary places with nothing exciting going on in them.
Yeah it would be nice to see Catarina or see where Eileen comes from but neither of those places have a scourge or undead/dying world problem. They're just meant to be concepts for the player to think about while they play the game, if you did actually visit them they'd be really boring most likely.
>>147197217
It's like be attracted to myself.
>>147206226
The constable and Yammamura's set implies beasts (and likely Great One fuckery) are a thing everywhere in the world.
>>147206047
As previously stated, it won't be all explained away if done properly. The history of this series should be a clear indication that nothing is ever fully explained away so it's rather unlikely that they'll start here.
I get that you'd be worried that it wouldn't be handled well. I share that worry but I'm open to the attempt. And if it doesn't work out, you still have BB.
Most of us never watch Godfather Part 3 but we still really enjoy the first two.
>>147206206
It can be explaine partially. There are a few things we know now for sure. Not much, but some. If we know 5%, for example, we might learn an additional 5% of what there is to know about them. That still leaves us with very little knowledge over all but a lot of material to work with nonetheless.
>>147206204
>sci-fi
>>147206525
you know you want it
>>147206204
>Sci Fi
FUCK OFF
>>147206226
It's unlikely that there's absolutely nothing going on anywhere but here and here happens to have walking dead, beasts, and horrors from the cosmos. And this is a malleable world, what makes you think they couldn't craft a story about a connected land in the story they created?
>>147205774
We could definitely explore the things they've done and the way they've affected other people without ruining their charm. Although I suppose what I'm suggesting here is that, that anon is correct, we could see other Great Ones and how they've affected civilization elsewhere. Or some familiar faces and how they've affected civilization elsewhere, etc.
