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>Skill Tree Beta Calculator (might be out of date)
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>Upcoming Payday 2 Tournaments:
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>Skill/Weapon Stat Calculator (going to be out of date):
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>Stat Ranking and Breakpoints (slightly out of date):
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>Weapon/Armor/Damage/Pickup Spreadsheets (not up to date):
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First for new breed of cloakers
>WE NEED YOU BUDDY GET UP
The new skill system kind of oversimplifies the whole thing IMO. I'm left with more unused points than I ever was in the old system.
Do the skills/perk that increase ammo pick-up effect modded shotgun ammunition yet?
>>144325007
Wow it's true: even when something improves people will bitch about it
>>144324316
You forgot the new skills doc
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-bYcYu2zg5Fa_sT9QO2De2Mdoj63Pee_kts0uuRVLGw/edit#gid=0
>>144325007
Every build but shotgun enforcers got buffed basically.
>>144324316
is trashley a girl or a tranny
>>144325525
Tranny
>>144325229
>"improves"
They've cheapened it to the extent that they might as well do away with skills entirely, like PDTH.
Is there any viable Melee build?
Which Akimbo pistols can I use if I want the China Puff and Dodge too? (so Low concealment)
>>144326776
I had a build a while back in the beta where I used dual Interceptors, but that was when Thick Skin ace gave bonus concealment to suit, too.
>>144325525
A guy.
>>144326421
Kill yourself.
>>144325525
both
>>144326776
just get the concealment skills. You're using a grenade launcher so you should have plenty points.
>>144326421
By golly you've convinced me. I guess it's time you uninstalled and played something else more suited to your intellectual level. Like Call of Duty.
>>144327212
>>144327807
I can't get it lower than 6 and using a boost and the small chimanos.
>>144327959
I hear ya'. I was so happy I finally found a good andfunbuild for DW, and now it's gone.
>>144325007
>>144325229
The new system still definitely needs work
With infamy you can ace the top skill in four trees and have points left over
In one (also infamous) build you can ace Inspire, ICTV + Bulletproof, Swan Song, Pistol Messiah, and all the drill skills, and still have points to spare
it feels kinda cheap to be getting the signature Mastermind skill, the signature Enforcer skill, the signature Technician skills (?), and the signature Fugitive skill in one build
GUNNUT STILL
NOT
WORKING
ON
REVOLVERS
>>144328402
good.
>>144327959
>>144328191
Ok, so I managed to actually get it with the other Chimanos so that's better, but I have no idea if is DW viable, why do these 2 difficulties have such a gap?
>>144328597
everything is DW viable these days.
>>144325083
yes
>Skilltree Guide (going to be out of date)
Make sure to change it to out of date next thread.
>>144328402
Perfect
> skill revamp
did they finally do something right?
>>144332243
>2
nah, game is easier than ever
Is grinder still ok?
Will the biker be one of the hoodie guys?
>>144332628
it's no longer objectively the best skill deck in any situation.
It's still pretty solid.
>>144333209
You mean Vlad and Almir?
>>144333209
One's Jewmir and the other is Vlad
>>144327828
>mfw you probably thought that was some kind of sick burn, but BO3 literally has a more in depth build creation than PD2 now
If it makes you feel any better, I have no doubt you are the target audience of the skill simplification; so enjoy that for what it is.
>>144139492
Hello heisters! New side jobs are out!
Today's Daily Side Jobs are:
- Record Low Crime Rate (any_6_jobs)
- Keep The Party Going (slakt_4)
Keep those helmets flying! ;)
thing I wish they'd add
>new voice lines
in particular
>new lines inserted into the various chatter
>more Hoxton/Houston style interactions where specific heisters say different things to different heisters
I might well actually pay money if you told me a DLC pack included new voicelines for the "I'll wait here, you go on ahead" variants.
>>144333509
>>144333534
They have full rights now. Maybe they'll make a self insert
>>144333939
Not going to happen. They still haven't added new lines to Hoxout. Youd think Hoxton would have something to say to Clover about leaving him for dead last time they met, but nah hes more interested in John motherfucking Wick.
>PAYDAY 2
PAyday 3 should just have a better engine and steam workshop integration. Who cares if content is less be cause pd2 has a dozen DLC, the potential of pd3 is huge.
>>144334660
>Who cares if we get even less content on launch?
>They can just fuck us all with endless dlc a second time around!
Or not.
>>144334660
I'm interested to see how they're going to handle the content in PD3. Like they learned form PDTH, people really REALLY fucking want backwards compatibility in heists.
What maps are included? Is Jewelry Store going to be with us forever? If porting them is made easy, how much (if any) money can they ask for them?
Same goes for the guns, which ones do they keep baseline and which are DLC?
Are there good primary shotguns?
>>144334928
>What maps are included?
The junk ones like mallcrasher and diamond store. Popular ones like shadowraid will be DLC without a doubt.
>Which ones do they keep baseline and which are DLC?
Same goes too. The basic stuff like AMCAR and all that will be baseline, popular stuff like AA12 and judge as DLC and the shit nobody uses like mosin and vhs wont be in at all.
Its all about profitability after all.
>>144336205
R A V E N
Seriously, the changes to the shotgun tree made it absolutely fucking disgusting along with the damage buff
Run that shit with an HE Judge, maybe even grab low blow if you want to be a cheeky suit cunt and tear through cops like nothing
>>144334252
>self insert
Go bank/ goat sim pilot
>>144334252
But Almir already has his own heister.
>>144328651
thanks
Which heister(s) is most likely gay?
>>144337802
Hoxton pretty much admits it in Hoxout.
>>144337802
Sokol
>>144337991
this
>>144337982
no he fucking doesnt
Dallas is a handsome motherfucker. I wish I was as handsome as he is
>>144337802
You
>>144336937
Why not a regular Judge and an HE Raven?
>>144341209
Cuz regular judge is not as near good as HE Judge.
(I'm not that>>144336937 guy, tho)
A R T
R
T
Hey did I miss that oyveyshill stream that was gonna be today?
>>144343761
Yes.
>>144328651
What, no way.
>Thanks OVK
New free safe when
>>144352778
my guess is the end of june
>>144352778
June 24
>Get home
>6.4GB update
What is happening?
>>144354469
Update with a completely redone skill tree. It's live.
is the mauser pistol still terrible?
>>144354469
Refactored game files. Future updates should be smaller.
>>144352778
They said that they liked to keep a ballpark of 6-7 weeks per safe.
who /crookdeck/ here
Anybody else crashing when they click on perks?
>>144358450
No, remove your mods
Sticky up about custom safehouses.
>mfw deploying AP sentries in DW
RIP master/fug. Behold tech/forcer
who ready to erp in custom safehouse
new skill guide when?
>>144361402
here is a short version of that guide:
does your build have AP sentries?
if yesgood job
if notyour build is shit
I have 50 sputnik safes, and 50 crimefest safes. Does anybody want them or should I sell them for like 3 cents? Even if everybody bought them, it's only like $3-5
>>144324316
how often does trashley give out keys for heists, also what's better: Alesso, the Diamond, Golden Grin, or the Point Break shit?
Also, is the Bomb stuff and Goat Sim worth looking into?
>>144364959
DLC unlocker or get out.
>>144365058
i tried to figure it out but im a retard
>>144365215
you download a file and put it in the Payday 2 folder. That's all there is to it.
>>144365215
git gud or git out
>>144365374
thats not the explanation given in the pastebin famalam
>wolf safes were at 20 cents yesterday
>now they're $0.07
lmaoing at all the dumbasses who though old safes wouldn't need keys, shoulda sold it, but the value is only gonna go up anyways... Might have missed the peak, but oh well.
How do people feel about dlc unlocked and cheaters in general? I want that wood AK stock but I swore off DLC when they introduced paid characters and also there's no sale.
What about level cheaters? Like I want the freedom without 50x the work, I can play the game fine especially stealth shit.
>>144366490
I use pp for dlc and skins. I don't use skins because that's fucking gay but it is liberating to know that I have an auto-updating workaround for future dlc and skins so I never have to worry.
>>144366490
as long as you aren't ruining games with cheats and you're a good player most people wont care if they know thats all you did to get your cheater tag
>>144365819
>anyone thinking the value will rise
>in a game with zero anti cheat and a well known hack tool
>>144366490
no one cares unless you spam deployables or /kill all.
>click on suit
>dodge will be 11
>equip suit
>dodge is 9
k
It's finally over.
>>144369814
I can use an achievement unlocker, too.
>>144369805
>turn on optical illusion aced
>no silencers
>free conceal anyways
i haven't played this in a while
dodge rogue still good or what?
>>144370660
yeah still good if you use conceal like always
>>144370660
>dodge rogue still good
>still
>>144370660
>>144370740
Reminder that OVK made changes because of the SHITTERS that ARE TOO FUCKING STUPID TO CROUCH so they made STANDING STILL LIKE A FUCKING RETARD give you more dodge
>>144370803
>implying suit builds were ever bad
sorry about that armor holding you down but you might want to trygetting goodsometime
>>144370463
Do you know how much fucking time I spent doing Hard / Very Hard heists? Don't you give me that shit.
>>144371024
>rolling dice
>skill
>>>/hsg/
>>>/lolg/
>>>/d2g/
>>>/csgog/
Did cops always have a significant chance to not drop ammo or is this a new joy to contend with?
tfw the new skill tree is confusing me
>>144371105
>a game where snipers will randomly instant shoot you
>a game where flashbangs can randomly extend for over 10 seconds
>a game where cloakers can randomly down you from walls
>skill
kill yourself my man
>>144371851
>two things that are literally not a problem
>one thing that can literally be fixed by hosting or using a mod
>being this much of a nignog
>>144372061
>flash bangs are literally not a problem
m8......
>>144372465
>literally not specing into a cheap skill that gives you reduced flashbang effects
>literally having zero situaltional awareness to the point where you cant even tell where you are on the map to hide and wait out the effect
It's ok anon you can just say you're shit at the game and want Overkill to handhold you all the way to the safe. There's no harm in it.
>Suitfag shitposting hour.
I'm out
>>144372672
Nigga you are never immune from 4 flashbangs on a row stacking, mainly because when that happens there's a black dozer right around the corner
Is it just me or did they increase cop spawn rates? I don't remember that many cops spawning.
>>144372997
Are you just playing on the heists with spawns turned way up? Locke heists and Lab Rats usually cake on shit tons of cops.
>>144372968
>Things that didn't happen: The Post
If your team is that shit and out of sync that everyone magically gets shafted by a black dozer you guys literally deserved it.
Just stun the fucker with an explosive then shoot him in the head until he dies. That's literally it.
>>144371308
It's the same. Something is fucked with your game / host's game.
>>144372968
>4 flashbangs on a row stacking
You're not even a good liar.
>>144372997
It's you.
>>144373209
Did Hoxout on DW. Day 2 had a hell of lot more cops spawning than usual.
>People voted to have Lab Rats stay in the game.
Democracy has failed.
>>144373659
Maybe some civvies got killed. Or you got stuck in a perma-Winters assault wave. Usually Day 2 Hoxout isn't super heavy with spawns unless you ignore the escape to stick around in the lobby.
>>144373941
whats up with the winters wave? Sometimes I kill him and the assault never fucks off.
i made a guide for suitfags on how to kill any dozer ever
feel free to put it in the OP
>>144373214
>>144373421
>thinking 4 flashbangs in a row can't happen
someone's been playing too much ovkbut it's /pdg/ so why am I surprised?
>>144374129
If you kill him before he settles down in his camping position it bugs the wave. And I think if he spawns as an assault is starting or ending it can bug out too.
>>144374149
Also if you break the face shielding and then hit him in the head with a javelin it's a kill on all difficulties. I use that strat a lot when there's a ton of fodder around the dozer or two dozers. Saves on weapon swap time and bullets.
>>144374149
>Throwing your exploders
>Not shooting your exploders
Is Inspire less useful now?
Anon I'm lost
>>144375725
You have to be smarter when using it but it's still good as fuck
>>144375725
Yes. Overkill tries to shill it as being buffed because it's a 100% chance now but 20 seconds is way too long. It made solo play a lot worse because you can't forcibly drag bots through turrets anymore. And the bullshit excuse of "you could just infinitely revive everyone" Trashly shills is horse shit too, since spamming revives on someone constantly going down would put them in custody. It's just Overkill listening to retards on the forums without thinking, then trying to come up with a justification after the damage is done.
>>144324316
is there more of cloaker-chan lewds?
>>144376396
>being able to help teammates whenever you wanted, through walls and floors, as many times as you wanted, with no cooldown is not broken
playing old DW without inspire was the only thing that made it challenging whatsoever, that skill literally carried teams. 20 seconds isn't too long either unless you're shit, it's made so it prevents inspire-users from carrying teams like it used to.
also
>spamming revives on someone constantly going down would put them in custody
what kind of shit players were you inspiring
>>144375725
It's less "useful" in the way that having less money is less valuable.
The difference is between
>having infinite dollars that you can spend on $1 blindboxes
and
>having an infinite supply of $1s that you can only spend every 20 seconds for a blindbox that you want.
should be 8-9 seconds imho
Is it just me or did they fuck up the ammo pickup of SMGs and Rifles?
>2 Fucking rounds on pickup with the SpecOpsDat 80 Accuracy on it though
>>144378356
Looks like other weapons got hit too, the bronco is getting shit of ammo also the gun nut skill aint working on it
>>144374278
You'd have to be complete shit to be flashbanged even twice in a row.
>look into a corner while waiting for the effect to wear off
>another flashbang goes off behind you
>90% of the effect gets mitigated
Yes, the ol' looking away from the flashbang trick does work.
So, since they are removing the microtransactions, will the players will be able to open safes after without using a key?
>>144379292
>flashbangs don't spawn sometimes
>you can't even see where the corner is anyway and if you're blinded in a hallway you're fucked
>lol just look away
>>144378846
y nerf the pickup tho
Literally the only reason to use them was they would never easily run out of ammo. That, and most low-damage rifles have 100 stability for some reason.I feel like they're pandering to shotgunners too much that they overnerfed stuff that wasn't supposed to matter.Then again this is Overkill we're talking about. They're bound to fuck shit unrelated.
>>144379515
Only new ones added after Update 100. All previous safes can only be obtained through the Steam market and require a drill to be bought.
>>144379292
>>the ol' looking away
>Literally looking up flashs you anyways
>The AI literally cheats spawning the flashbangs on purpose anywhere just to fuck you
Even when you can get the meme resistance without problems it fucking sucks
>>144379576
>having zero map awareness
shitter pls go
>>144379773
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfilvZMQyEA
get
fucking
gud
>>144379803
>m-muh map awareness
>I can suddenly know where everything is exactly in the heat of a fire fight getting flashbanged in the open because map awareness
fucking end yourself you goddamn idiot
>>144379992
>>144379934
>>144379515
They aren't removing microtransactions.
>>144380125
>cherry picking specific holds or when flashbangs spawn on the ground
you've already been told before multiple posts that flashbangs sometimes don't even fucking spawn sometimes, but if you're just going to ignore that point and spout ebin "get gud" then I don't know what to say besides that what you're saying is horseshit
>>144380326
well, unless you can post proof otherwise, your argument is invalid m8
>>144380326
>video with clear examples of flashbang mitigation
>"its bullshit because cherrypicking and because I said so"
Yea, okay
>>144375725
it's still necessary
>>144375725
I really only get basic now.
Can't beat a team speed boost and 50% faster revives for 4 points.
>>144380693
It's too bad you're too much of a retard to read the description of the video
>I am in no way praising how the game handles flashbang mechanics, but I just thought it was kinda neat how this trick "works".
the video creator himself is basically saying it barely works anyhow, but I'm not surprised considering this is literally your only argument and you're denying common knowledge that flashbangs don't have a physical spawn.I don't have the webm of it but someone around here is bound to have it, if not go look up plenty of steam threads talking about it
>>144381186
>>144381186
sorry I meant
*flashbangs don't always have a physical spawn
small typo
>>144379934
I literally cannot hear in any other clip than the first and second when a flashbang goes off.
Is the last one when he hears the "VWEEEE" sound?
If you use skills you're a shitter. Stop relying on crutches and GIT GUD.
If you use guns you're a shitter
If you look at your monitor while you play you're a shitter
Only shitters read this
So, what now
>04/06/2016
>Still no Panic Room remake
fucking
agony
>>144389646
>The Definition of Safe House is Changing
It'll come with the safe house customization.
are dlc hacks still a thing
>>144389795
>safehouse customization is just blueprint mode for Panic Room
lmao:(
>>144389646
Panic Room confirmed to be released in the Chainspack DLC, along with the Chains Safe.
>>144377334
While it it does suck that you can't insta revive the rest of your team if everyone fucks up (double black dozer), it feels like an upgrade on DW where people are playing smart. Someone gets caught out of position on DW, you no longer have to run into the open and spam f, praying--
You can run in, hit f once for the guarenteed revive, and jet outta there into cover as your dodge/armor breaks
How do people organize shit like monthlies when the steam chat is almost empty?
>>144324316
Pubbies are so goddam salty about turrets, I love it.
>People ragequitting because someone has turrets
>Kicking someone for having turrets
>All manner of verbal and typed abuse for having turrets
>Spamming explosives at turret users
>Steam messaging turret users to bitch at them
Magnificent
>>144401157
Why, the noise? I used turrets occasionally in the beta but have never gotten flak for it, other than when it makes voice chat hard.
>>144401469
People are bitching that it makes the game too easy.
Is it just me, or do akimbo pistols fire strangely, now? The fire rate is really inconsistent, rather than being a smooth flow of shots.
>>144333935
Hello heisters! New side jobs are out!
Today's Daily Side Jobs are:
- Lord of War (lord_of_war)
- Target Practice: Pistol (pistol_100_kills)
Keep those helmets flying! ;)
Shockproof is actually better now. As long as you don't fumble hitting F in time, it stuns the wanka almost instantly.
Would you say that bullseye goes well with Armour heavy builds?
and what about with Sociopath's armour regen or Anarchist's?
>>144403780
Its actually about the same only difference is they nerfed basic to make the Aced seem less shit
>>144401157
It just feels somehow fundamentally wrong to have turrets be not shit after all these years.
is DLC unlocker not working anymore?
>>144404526
It works for my friend, so obviously it does work
>>144404215
Is it? I thought you had to be facing the taser with the old version. If not, this one is shit.
So we all agree that the Biker is going to be Norman Reedus, right?
>thought Anarchist would be good with an ICTV build
>It is actually complete shit due to the length between armour recharging and a downgrade
Someday I will be able to be a fucking wall but I guess not today
Is everyone at Overshill autistic?
>So uhhh dey are asking umm if we add cat mask?
>w-what? why you ask ,me?
>oh uhhh you like cat yes umm?
>>144406729
with he old one you just had to be facing in the general direction of the tazer so you could just spin around spamming F and it would free yourself pretty damn quickly.
plus the basic itself freed you like 80 percent of the time after a few secconds delay so you didn't really need to Ace it anyway
>>144407131
I never did ace it which is why I'm having to ask you.
Eh, the new version hasn't let me down yet and I'm pretty slow on the draw. It must be ok.
I've just reset my profile. Getting kicked for being a level 0 with the DW mask is fantastic.
>>144408683
Kill yourself
>>144408683
>wearing the DW mask
There's your first mistake
>>144408707
pls no buly
WHAT IS THE NEW META
PRIMARY
SECONDARY
SKILLS
PERK DECK
ARMOR
>>144410131
Kill yourself
SOCIOPATH BUFF WHEN
FASTER WEAPON SWINGS
DECREASED CD ON ARMOR REGEN
>new skill trees
>you can literally squeeze in Inspire in every build
Even with an original build, you get enough points to go for inspire, and that's just because its better than other alternatives.
>>144410619
but inspire is shit now
>>144410819
Inspire was arguably buffed if your team isn't full of shitters because of the 100% revive chance it has now.
>>144411557
THIS
Inspire got a buff if you have a group of decent friends you heist with
Inspire got a nerf if you only run with pub shitters
>>144411737
>friends
>>144411557
>>144411737
Even with the cd "nerf" on it, there's more than enough skills for you to safely revive someone manually.
>everyone can easily have inspire
>as long as you communicate with each other you can save about-to-fail heists
http://steamcommunity.com/app/218620/discussions/8/357287935551962222/
"58. Another perk deck rebalance is coming - Hitman is being completely redesigned"
there may be hope for hitman one day
>>144412901
well they did state ages ago when they rebalanced them the first time that they kept a few things out for when they introduced the skill changes since they wouldn't make sense without them
Who the fuck is Jimmy and why do i have him?
Whats this new UI? Im scared.
>>144416532
Hardcore henry collab heister
>>144416532
Whats going on with the new skilltrees?
I don't have time to learn the new metas i just wanted to check up on the game.
>>144416532
>why do I have him?
He's fuckin electric
>>144417581
The new meta isfun
>>144416532
i'm tired of seeing these fucking WUH WHAT HAPPENED I HAVENT PLAYED SINCE 1992 posts just fucking read the update logs or the rest of the thread you fucking faggot
>>144417815
I stopped playing when they added paid stat boosting skins like everyone else who isn't a cuck.
Also Inspire is super easy to get now.
>>144418404
>>144418404
>I stopped playing when they added paid stat boosting skins like everyone else who isn't a cuck.
Says the crybaby who didn't realize the "stat boosts" are insignificant and can easily be ignored completely.
>>144418404
i don't care when you stopped playing, go look at the changelogs instead of asking to be spoonfed
christ, it would have been faster too instead of waiting 10 minutes for a reply
>>144418618
Do you honestly think i sat here waiting for a response before making my build? Ive already done it since i posted that.
I wont post anything that triggers you anymore though and the thread can go back to being dead.
>>144418758
thanks faggot i appreciate it and i hope you enjoy yourself
210th for steal from the rich never coming out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKDShLCJsbM&ab_channel=SuperSmoooieVideos
So how low does my health have to be get max Zerker bonus with ranged weapons?
>>144421771
The less health the bigger the boost, if i am not mistaken you only get true 100% extra damage when you have 0 health
next free weekends when
>>144422106
You know where I can find the equation?
>>144423068
Pretty sure for every 1% lower than 50% hp, you do 2% more damage. So with frenzy aced and beserker aced, i think its a 40% damage boost without taking any damage.
I STOPPED PLAYING WHEN THEY ADDED THE ARMORED TRANSPORT HEISTS
DO YOU STILL NEED A SKILL TO ANSWER 4 PAGERS??????
>>144423068
At least it used to be linear.
So halfway thorough the activation threshold you'd do 50% more damage.
>>144421771
I had a guy in my lobby with like 1 health and it was fucking OP he also had ICTV8
>Inspire
>2x4 Doctor Bags / 1x5 Ammo bag or 14|6 Shaped Charges and 1x4 Doctor Bags
>Drills
>Double cop slaves that regen health for me
>Secondary Saw
>M249 and China Lake
>Grinder
I am become support, carrier of pubs.
How is the first Payday?
I've played a lot of the second game but never bothered with the first because I was late to the party and all my friends had already had their fill of The Heist, so we just played 2 together.
Is it worth trying to play anymore? Especially now that a lot of the heists are getting added to Payday 2 in recent DLCs, at least First World Bank, Slaughterhouse, Counterfeit and Undercover.
Are there any primary shotguns able to compete with the Loco yet?
>>144425201
It's very different from PD2. The combat is more hectic since your movement speed is higher, you have less armor and a fuckload more ammo.
Dunno how fun it is with pubs, but the game itself is very enjoyable with friends.
>>144425201
It's fun, but it plays entirely differently from the sequel. I'd say it's more challenging because there are no things like perk decks or skill trees.
>>144425201
Game's more fun overall if you're willing to look past the aged graphics/feel of the game. It's filled to the brim with hackers though, so if you don't have people to play with don't bother.
>>144425469
>He hasn't tried Overkill Saiga
Ha, what a pleb
How do you make all weapons viable without this trash number system which CAR-4 dominates because it has all the weapon mod support?
>>144426003
>He thinks his shitty 600 rof 46/80/80 gun is worth shit
>get new skill that lets you be perma-beserk
>get every other melee skill I can find
>get infiltrator
>run around with mason knight mask 2-shotting dozers with greatsword
>primary is longbow and secondary is pistol crossbow
This is fun.
>>144425897
>Saiga
Fucking slavaboo
Especially when the steakout/AA12 has objectively better stats
>>144426121
Looks like a fucking toy.
Where's the skill that gives you more shaped charges?
>>144426003
Because vanity.
Because you want to use a better looking gun that suits you in spite of having slightly lower numbers because you're not a shitter and good enough to compensate
>>144426162
Looks like a toy; kicks like a mule!
>>144426257
Left side of the drill tree
>>144426162
Your mom looks like a fucking toy
>>144426084
RoF is a non issue fag.
>>144427123
Good luck killing anything shitter
>>144427123
>RoF is a non issue
Jokes are supposed to be funny.
>>144427193
RoF rarely ever matters though.
In a lot of cases you're either putting out enough damage to either one- or two-shot something with taps rather than spraying and hoping it sticks.
The only time RoF doesn't matter is bullet hoses that have good sustained DPS but not enough tapping power, and even then you're only going to be firing in short bursts rather than outright tapping.
>>144426430
With that skill I get 6 shaped charges and 4 trip mines I thoght now you could get more
>>144427712
If you take that skill you should have 14 trip mines and 6 shaped charges not 4 trip mines and 6 shaped charges
>>144425201
heists arent as shit
>>144425201
Far less forgiving. There is no armor, so even with tough skin (a perk of sorts, but perks aren't set up the same) you're about as survivable as a PD2 suit user with no dodge. To compensate, there's a far greater emphasis on loose loot, which gets added to your savings when you pick it up, whether you finish the heist or not. I don't think the game had dropable lootbags at all. Incidentally, money is literally your XP. Guns are weaker and have way more recoil but have perfect accuracy when ADS. Some people say that the stealth is better (It totally is, really doesn't fuck around with second chances if you get seen) but that's just a single heist and not worth getting the game over. If you git gud at PDTH then come back to PD2, you'll be running through DW like its easymode.
All in all, 8/10 wait for a sale.
>>144427193
>>144427418
he's right though, ROF means fuck all
>>144430452
Seconding this. Unless you're unloading on the dozer faceplate, single shots are always preferable which renders rof moot. I don't see why that's controversial, but shitters get triggered by the most mundane things.
>>144430712
>Responding to yourself.
>>144430452
>>144430712
>>144430764
all me btw
>>144430764
Believe what you want senpai, wont make you any less wrong.
Did they remove all the jewish shit? Can I get back in to the game now? How hard is it?
Dont worry about DLC, I already have all of the essentials from before I stopped playing. I just want to know if microtransactions are gone and is the playerbase still the bunch of level 70 retards I was put with despite being infamy 13 or something
>>144433301
MT's are gone it seems, new skill trees are cool, I don't know what to say about average player level
get a DLC unlocker
>each heister will have their own themed area in the custom safehouse
WHO'S READY FOR THE /SLAVZONE/
>>144433301
Microtransactions are still in. All other forms of jewery are still in too.
>>144427453
>burst firing
ROF shortens the time it takes to burst, which can make a difference if it means the cop doesn't have time to fall.
If ROF is a non issue it's only because 40 damage weapons are pointless now that 80 is the new 40 and 182 is the new 63.
>>144434193
>microtransactions are still in
fuck off idiot
>>144433301
I'm infamy XIX and still my DW team was 70 pubs, shit big pile of them, and like two or so people with atleast one infamy.
So pubs are still 95% noobs/shitters. Tryhards/pros are playing in private games with each other mostly. So find a team, or get good. Or play OVK, since it's baby difficulty.
>>144433301
>Did they remove all the jewish shit?
Deactivated not removed
>Can I get back in to the game now?
Idk, can you?
> How hard is it?
Literally easiest its ever been
>playerbase
No. If anything, there are more sub infamy players on right now than at any point in the last 2 years. No idea why, its not on sale or anything.
