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dead as fuck edition

>new WWAUT
http://steamcommunity.com/games/232090/announcements/detail/939377785240818217

>Latest update (1033)
http://steamcommunity.com/games/232090/announcements/detail/939376256549566331

>KF2 Steam group
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/kf2vg

>Check the pastebin for tutorials, Crash fix, Downloads, Console commands and more:
http://pastebin.com/gCA9DkDw

>Guides for beginners:
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=425843240
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=435407843

>Spreadsheet with lots of stats about Perks, Damage, Weapons, Etc.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1GDpg2mN1l_86U_RaDug0glFx8cZCuErwxZLiBKl9SyY/

>Fix mouse sensitivity
http://forums.tripwireinteractive.com/showpost.php?p=1369921&postcount=9
I suggest you set KFInput.ini to read only to prevent the settings from getting reverted.
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Just wait for E3 or an important update.
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>>143666249
won't be too long, hopefully
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>>143666249
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At least TW are improving with the ammo update and the planned perk changes.
But after 200 hours I'm done. I'm going to wait for the full release
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>Bringing it back from the dead
Just wait until E3 anon, meanwhile what do you guys think of the new Demo and Commando skill trees?
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>>143670195
Demo seems alright, new skills have an obvious pick.
>Bombardier
>Extra Rounds
>Siren Resistance
>Concussive for stuns
>"Destroyer of Memes" aka Nuke

Meanwhile, commando skill tree is fucking retarded.
>Level 5:
>Tactical Reload
>Large Mags
>Level 20:
>25% more damage
>Another 50% increase in mag

All while stuffing useless skills into a single tier.
>Level 10
>Backup or Impact

Skills on the same tier should be alternate playstyles, not restricted upgrades.
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I WANT ANDERSON
I WANT HIM BACK DAMMIT
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>>143671057
You forgot mando also gets 50% less recoil.
Now if only they'd reverse hipfiring to be accurate again.
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PUT ANDERSON BACK IN THE FUCKING GAME ALREADY
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come on guys, don't let it die again
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>>143675769
Let it go anon
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>>143676510
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>>143682880
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>>143682880
Wow fucking rude
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Stop
Just stop
If fate is for it to die then let it die
Move on
Let go
Just let this be a reminder to not go in with the Early Access hype even with devs you trust.
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>>143685221
we'll be back after E3 r-right?
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>>143685660
that, or sharpshooter update
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>>143671057
i agree with demo 100%, no choice once again

commando
Large Mags
Backup for first few rounds, then Impact
Heath Increase
Hollow Point Rounds
Rapid Fire

do Large Mags ad Eat Lead stack or accumulate? Do i get 200% of original or 225%?
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>>143686190
Well, the skill description says an addition 50% increase, so the bonuses are probably stacked.
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>>143671057
Depending on how the new stun/incap systeam is, Impact could be useful, at least more than Backup will be in later rounds.
The only plus side is you don't have to choose between single fire/auto fire, call out and leadership are passives, and we get more generic skills to pick from.
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>>143687390
It's just that I'm having a bit of a tough decision between the Level 5/20 skills.

I'd like to have a bigger mag for my Scar for sure, but faster reloads and extra damage/less recoil is just too good to give up.
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>>143682880
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So how long till Doom monster mods?
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Yeah, I was looking for this general for days, I thought more people would be playing because it's double XP weekend, but I guess not. Also does anyone play BikiniAtoll here?
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>>143695818
no, Cube only
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Guys, please.
There's nothing to say or do.
Let it die. At least until E3.
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>>143697170
I got a server, but I ain't put cube on it. Is it good or is this a meme in this general?
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thread theme

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voCM0eUyG2c
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>>143698979
It's a meme.
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my name is not important
what is important, is this rpg im reloading
i just fucking hate these zeds
and teammates, feasting on my fleshpound stuns
my whole life has just disappearing rockets
and i always wanted to die violently
this is the time of vengeance
and no fleshpound is worth keeping alive
and i will put in the grave as many as i can
its time for me to nuke
and its time for me to die
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So how long do you think this one will last? We got new balances changes and revealed info on railgun and female character, but that'll hardly keep us going for more than a couple hours.
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>>143699539
There are other things to keep you occupied.
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>>143699687
get that abomination OUT OF HERE
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>>143699453
u ok pal?
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>>143700537
not really
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>>143699924
no
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Have they fixed Hans Von Volter's absurd melee damage yet? Last time I played he could 3 shot basically anyone and there was nothing that could be done about it.
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>>143700785
>he doesn't use japanese steel folded a mirrion time to survive hans' melee
Get a load of this guy?
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Is the game f- f- enjoyable yet?
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>>143697310
what is dead may never die

>>143698979
it has a nice flow, pubs can feel like pros on HoE

>>143700785
parry?
>catana
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>>143700667
I want to FUCK megumin so hard
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And now back to our regularly scheduled anime posting.
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Do any of you even still play the game?
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Unfortunately yes. I miss the first game.
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>>143704652
Like twice a week, or if some bros are playing i'll hop in for a laugh
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>>143704652
35.2 hrs last two weeks
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>>143704652
nah

got hooked into civ
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>>143704652
i do, but being a /vg/ meme makes me pretty lonely
pubs are really bad
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>>143707040
that being said, anyone down for HoE?
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>>143707193
Just hit us up in the steam chat, bro
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>>143707445
im banned, fisto doesn't want me there
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collapsing
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>>143666553
fucking looks as stupid as the medic guns
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>>143687690
I know what you mean.
They could've easily left all the other skills alone except the Level 15 and 20 tiers.
Commando is still in a pretty good place but this just seems a little overkill, it wasn't as bad as demo, support could've used changes before commando.
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>>143704159
You called?
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>>143709121
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>>143709121
>that much impulse from hands
>on floorboards
That's not how it works you little shit.
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>>143709382
Maybe not for you, fatty
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>when the zerk uses the zweihander on fleshpounds
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>>143710186
>when the zerk uses zweihander
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shitty boring dead game
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>>143709580
I'm a grown man under 60 kgs. I'm a hungry skellington. Also I did gymnastics and you don't attack your final flips from hands.
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>>143704652
I haven't played in months, I just come here out of habit and post about how much I wish John Gibson would die in a tragic garage band fire.
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>>143710354
>noodle arms
Say no more
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>>143704652
yes
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it was about time someone revived this general

can't even find the last one in the archives
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>>143712719

>>142331471
>>142503708
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How you all been staying tuned so far?
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is there anything more satisfying than the crossbow into 500 magnum combo
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>>143713993
The grenade M32 combo
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>>143713993
medic + xbow combo
unstoppable faggot coming through
pubs arent dependable enough to do anything else
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>>143713993
Ana's butte
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>new female char
will she be cute bros or will tripwire give us brianna wu
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>>143716697
Who cares as long as she has an ass like Ana's

Want her to sit on my face and let me eat that ass for breakfast, lunch, dinner and snack inbetween
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Has anyone got film grain to work or even change?
Everything looks the same no matter what you set it to.
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>>143716697
We getting an aussie girl, if that wwaut is anything to go by
Watch her be called Shiela Wallapouch
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>>143717748
She's called Rae Higgins though
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>>143717483
I never noticed it on 1080p and I can barely notice it cranked up on 1440p. It's more noticeable on custom maps that don't give a shit about being dark.
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>people really think the "sharpshooter content pack" will save this
>implying TWI @ E3 won't be underwhelming
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>>143724425
no one said it would save the game we just want tripwire to finish the fucking game
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>>143725065
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>>143725065
KF1 is already finished though.
You bought Early Access Floor 2, the game won't be done until TW have fully milked it and they move on to RS2 vietnam to get new cash cows and fund their next underdeveloped game
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>>143728432
At least we got two skill tree revamps.
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>>143730717
But when do they go live? I want my revamped Demo-kun NOW, dammit.
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>Grenadier- Demo weapons fire 20% faster

Who writes these things? This shit doesn't make any sense!
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>>143730920
E3 2076
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Anybody down for HOE?
Add me up.
>>http://steamcommunity.com/id/higgus
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>>143731268
Unless they're making the M32 official as a suprise, it's pointless since all of demo's weapons still have a mag capacity of 1.
What would've made sense is saying that Demo's weapons get tactical reload or speed-up reload animations.
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At last, I am free.
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>vs mode
what the fuck were they thinking
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>>143733817
They weren't.

>Hmm, our fans seem to enjoy the core gameplay and say they are looking forward to new weapons, perks, and maps.
>I know! Let's spend several hundred man-hours on a completely new game mode! What could possibly go wrong?
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I'd like a visual novel adaption of the killing floor series done by Nitroplus.
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>>143733817
>>143734063
The Elite VS mod is actually pretty fun, it's what TW should've done in the first place, as long as the map isn't Cube, playing as zeds feels more satisfying.
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>playing with level 25s on suicidal who rage the scrake the precise moment they appear and end up dying
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>>143704652
No, I check here every other week to see if Sharpshooter is being added soon.
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>>143736413
>People who stumble big guys the moment you take a shot with the crossbow
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I want off this ride.
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How do we fix the eviscerator?
Compared to the crossbow it's a joke.
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>>143741828
By making perk bonuses apply to it.
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Here.
Sorry I'm out of lollypops.
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>>143707545
no one wants you
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>>143718080
Even worse
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>>143730717
>one for a class who needed it
Demo might just be fun again
>one for commando
Nobody asked for this one though, even people who play it found it to be a random change
>>143731268
Faster projectiles maybe? Imagine your RPG travelling much quicker, idk
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Commando was good as it was, I don't understand what moved them to change it. It consistently hits 500+ kills with it, can take care of big ZEDs with xbow if the team is really struggling with them, and it's a huge help to the team with ZED Time extensions and Call-Out. It's a strong class, I don't think it needs any upgrading.
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How do you handle scrakes with the LAR exactly? I noticed a headshot on fleshpounds stuns them like an xbow bolt but on scrakes I headshot them 6 times in a row and it does shit all
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How lucky am I?
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>>143754525
>gold deagle
You lucky bastard
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I killed people in real life because of KF2
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I want to make an extra-long game mode.

15 or 20 waves, culminating with over 40 fleshpounds spawned but not too much trash. Something like 500 - 700 zeds at the last wave, including like 80 scrakes and 40 fleshpounds.

How to fix the ammo issue without making early waves OP? Ammo crate buyable at the trader. Small crate for equivalent of 6 ammo boxes for like £2k at trader, that you fill with ammo for additional £2k. Medium crate for 6k, maybe 20, great crate for 10k+. Balance the cost of ammo and content of crate accordingly.

Support gets ability to carry the crate for nearly no speed reduction, everyone else can carry a small crate for 25% speed reduction, then 50% then 75%. You can drop the crate but if you just leave it and run away, zeds will destroy it. It would only penalize kiting if you don't have a support. It would be too expensive to have in early waves but affordable later.

I've started looking at code of existing mutators.
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>uninstalled months ago
>sharpshooter STILL isn't in yet

Looks like I made the right decision.
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>>143754525
Doesn't look like gold at all.
Hell cod4 had way better looking gold weapons
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>>143755132
It looks shit in game. More yellow than gold.
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>>143754525
Holy shit you got so much shit what the fuck.

I have 1 woodland skin SCAR and 2 woodland skin AA12s. Thankfully I don't give a shit but that goes to prove how fucked those probabilities are.
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>>143755353
Anon, I'm sorry but that man probably spent less than 10% of the time you've wasted in this game but spent dozens of dollars buying these items. Yes, anon, he's a massive faggot, and this place is full of them. Also, Santa is not real.
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>>143755353
>1 weapon skin per 200 hours
my sides
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>>143754176
Chances are it took damage beforehand, as soon as a scrake gets even scratched, its chance to stun is dropped significantly.
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>>143756113
>santa is not real
LIAR
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>>143757629
So a LAR headshot should stun a brand new scrake?
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>>143757867
Thats how it goes, yeah. Its a weird system but fresh scrakes stun chances are pretty much guaranteed compared to damaged. So in pubs its not really worth it since people will just charge in with the magdumps
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According to stats, is a shot of AA12 stronger than a shot of M4 at all?

I'm feeling like the M4 is at least equal, and even stronger than the AA12.
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>>143760348
equal pellet damage, number of pellets, and spread
>>143759150
same for demo without onperk for knocking down scrakes with rpg, gotta be fresh
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>>143763002
so why are people using AA12?
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>>143731442
E3 June 14-16, 2016

they will tell us WHEN the sharpshooter will be released
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>>143765324
>release date potentially released on my birthday
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>>143765215
to carry 120 shells, load 20 at a time, and shoot them faster, with less recoil
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>>143765215
that's a dumb question and you made it sound like i asked it so fuck you for that
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>>143765215
the correct question is why would anyone ever pick support
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>>143767731
I carried numerous HoE teams with support. M4+AA12 wastes fleshpounds and scrakes, and honestly there is nothing like a support to clear a corridor exit during kiting. Group of gorefasts and crawlers blocking the exit? Nothing can blast it open like volleys of shotgun.

Demo maybe but this nigger always get killed first in a kite.
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>>143767731
cuz shotgun fun fun
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>>143767731
Challenge mode
The shotguns are pretty fun too and all feel different, excluding the M4 which feels like a beefed up SG500 but its not like you should have both to begin with
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>>143768842
>challenge mode
Meme term for bad
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>>143768842
M4 feels better than AA12, the sound of it hits harder.
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>>143769232
Definitely
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>>143754525
Make a thread on Steam discussion titled "Fix the gold Skins" saying that you just unboxed a bunch of crates and got this gold skin and it looks terrible for something so rare. I'm sure you being a good goy will get their attention and they'll do something about the textures. That picture you posted makes it look really bad.

Emphasize how it should actually look gold in color and how they don't have to make the entire fucking weapon one single color and can have the handle be black or wooded or something.

I don't get how these people claim to be all about "gun porn," but make such shitty skins.
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>>143740175
>gunslingers that never aim for heads or legs

>>143750007
commando needs more action hero

personally id give him
>manual ztime activation
>ztime reload replaced with AoE fear, zeds move away from player
>extra frag per 5 level
>quick melee is occasionally a punch
>LMG option
>single fire replaced with penetration
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assume no medic

Support should choose 150HP or regeneration (about 50hp in 30sec?) ?
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>>143773116
150HP imo, its better being able to bulk extra hits over being frail with slow regen when you're a fighting up close class. Plus the DBS can get you out of a sticky situation quick enough to recover.
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>>143771670
Keep dreamin, pal
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How do we save firebug, bros?
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>>143750007
>fire 20% faster
I believe it's about reload times. However, if they fucked up the projectile vanishing into thin air fix, then it's a waste.
As for Commando, why the hell we need double amount of 50% mag increase? Eat Lead can be piercing rounds so it actually rewards you for lining up specimen, yet it would come pretty handy when you go full auto.
As for health increase, I wouldn't do that either. I'd give them a slight speed buff for a few seconds when they use syringe or receive medical attention.

The thing is at least they realized, they fucked up badly and they're losing player base rapidly. Any other offtopic bullshittery (like trying to add more hats, trinkets, unusual effects, stat counters and other etcetera) besides getting the game done will be frowned upon by the player base. This will result in more bad reviews and no one will look at the face of game again 'till it's done.
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>>143773116
>assume no medic
impossible

any team without a medic is an instant fail
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>>143778571
If Commando gets piercing rounds, it would literally render Gunslinger obsolete.

As for the double mag increase skills, I assume it's to give you the choice between the skills that share its tier.
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>>143778005
>Nerf both boss' weakness to MWG
>Nerf Zed Shrapnel AoE slightly
Done.
inb5 firebug mains crying over this, Demolition should be able to deal more damage to a Boss more than Firebug. I'll play my "I don't have to explain shit" card

>>143778805
>would literally render Gunslinger obsolete.
That's part of the point, leave trash clearing to Commando. However Gunslinger would still have bling-blingbow and Fleshpound take downs. So it wouldn't be useless even if you buff 'mando more in its frame.

>I assume it's to give you the choice
What choice? They have no idea about mando's meta yet, so they faked that you have any "choice" at the first place. When skill tree revamp came out, one of the tiers will outdone the other or you'll stick to both 50% increase in mags because both tiers suck. That's the way of how TWI balances things. You know it deep down.
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>>143778805
>If Commando gets piercing rounds, it would literally render Gunslinger obsolete.

Why? Commando and Gunslinger are already the same thing if you forget movement speed and gunslinger better DPS when it comes to decaping a scrake. I don't see how that particular point makes any difference.
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Hold up, they need to fix up supports penetration issues first, its literally in the description for it and past the second body penetration may as well be foam peanuts
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>>143781352
>he never decaped 6 gorefasts with a single DBS shot.

It works fine really.
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>>143781352
They need to fix the spread to be more like the KF1 shotguns as well so that the support can actually be enjoyable.
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>>143781839
or they could change the alt fires on the sg500, m4, and aa12 to change the spread from tight to wide.
also remove damage falloff for headshots
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Has Johnny Gibsonello finally lost it?
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Lads, fuck off with KF2, join KF and put an end to this.
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>>143786165
KF is even deder than KF2.
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>>143786980
Because of people like you.
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>>143787203
Not really, I only played 80 hours of KF1 before KF2 came out.
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>>143786165
I agree
t. not 4k hours KF1 anon here
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>>143785453
All they need to do is remove damage falloff for headshots. Shotguns already have intrinsic damage falloff due to their spread; having an additional modifier on top of it when no other weapon class does is fucking stupid.
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>>143786165
can't go back to that shit hit detection now
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>tfw no Ana gf
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>>143796664
>Ana will never stomp on your dick in her boots
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>it's a game conductor decided to spawn 4 crawlers and stalkers all around you so you cant move and die episode
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>/kfg/ is back

I think it's a little bit early but alright.
I really hope the next update comes very very very soon.
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>>143707545
NO ONE wants you there you fucking autist
You've been chased out of several places on /vg/, go beg fucking /gtag/ cap in hand because we don't care
Oh and let it die lads, we'll make a new one right before E3
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>>143800049
couple weeks until they announce when it'll be
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>>143800595
>Giving the sperglord attention
Dont.
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>>143800049
Hi Filiaposter!
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>its a "zerk who doesn't melee and sits in the back with the 9mm" episode
I'm so tired of this, /kfg/
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>>143803541
>Zerks using the zwei on scrakes
>Zerks at full health running away from fleshpounds
>Zerks running away from the team during the boss
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>>143803541
If I had played in the last two weeks, I might have thought that was me.

9mm/Nailgun/Crossbow zerk is good fun. Especially when someone rages a scrake and runs at you thinking you're going to tank it for them, and you just use your extra move speed to outrun the both of them faggots.
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>>143805807
>when someone rages a scrake and runs at you thinking you're going to tank it for them
fucking this
if you want me to dispatch scrakes dont fucking rage them, asshat
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>>143754525
Wanna trade?
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>>143805807
Nah its a game from today, dude just sat at the back while the other zerk was handling the main rout with me
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Hey /kfg is up.
Doea that mean sharp is out?
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>>143808938
No.
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>>143808938
N E V E R
E
V
E
R
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>>143808938
No, it just means we're prolonging our suffering.
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>>143808938
Reminder we're only getting the Sharpshooter's RELEASE DATE at E3, not the Perk itself
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>>143808938
Nah, we got DEMO changes which is much better desu
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>>143809387
Go back to blowing phallic objects, slut.
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Is it okay to skip Killing Floor 1 ?
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>>143809748

It's okay to "skip" since the games are only loosely similar, but KF1 is a better game than KF2.
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>>143809748
Yes.
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>>143809646
No
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>>143809847
srsly?
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>>143811339

Did I stutter?
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>>143811564
A little, yeah
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>>143810262
Oh please, you're blushing and still fidgeting from simply sitting down after the last wwaut. Don't worry, our supplier is going to get to work on you soon. He's going to retrain you from the ground up. You'll be a changed perk. You will learn how to blow more customers, AND do it faster than ever before. Won't that be nice?
If you get on your knees and beg to the camera maybe we can get him here faster.
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>>143810262
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>>143811897
You got it, healslut
*unzips benis*
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>>143811990
Hey, get your own healslut, if you want sloppy seconds you'll have to wait until I'm done with this one.
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>>143812220
>slut
>sloppy seconds
You realize you're the one getting sloppy seconds to begin with?
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>>143812314
You'll be lucky if its even seconds, it will probably be filthy fifties
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I wonder what he's up to nowadays
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>>143812646
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>>143813183
Is that him?
He's got bad taste in boatsluts.
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>>143813754
>having a taste in shipwhores
>at all
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>>143813987
I just save picture that look good, man.
Tenryuu is still not a good pick as a solo.
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I want to ruffle a demo's hair.
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>/kfg/ is slowly returning to its anime roots
This is good. Too bad the thread's dead even with the anime posters.
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>>143814883
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>>143815268
We can dig this grave back up soon
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>>143813183
>nearly 3k hours of idling hatoful boyfriend
>only 1 achievement
?
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>>143816543
Hatoful is a tough game
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That Ana think she slick
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I hate anime, ana, the trader, tripwire's development of killing floor 2, support's shotguns feeling wholly unsatisfying, the absence of the m32, of sharp, medic's platic toys, the mucrowave, the flamethrower not being a flamethrower. The xbow being bought by damn near everybody highlight how fucking terrible most perks' options for big guys are.
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>tfw taking out a scrake on hoe with only a 9mm
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>Get back from Unishit
>Hop on PC
>Have a feeling /kfg/ is alive again
>Go to check
>It is

Time for some KF2 blogging.

I think the Demo Reforms are p good. Looks like Demo is now SALEEL AL SAWARIM tier at last, or at the very least, getting there.

I think the Commando Reforms were out of left field, but I feel like it's more of a step forward than a step back. Maybe? Honestly, I didn't think at all that Commando was getting reforms so I don't even know you know?

I think the Railgun looks very sexy and I like the colour scheme(s?).

I sure am hoping that the Skills next week aren't shit and I sure am hoping that Rae will be a good character.

Also, the Review Score is not at a whopping 56% what the fuck TW that's more like a RevWEW score right there as in WEW unfuck this game now.
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>trying to find HoE servers
>9/10 of them are kf2superperktraining maps
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Anyone down for some HoE?
Pic related, its fucking dead rn and I'm 25 on everything so SuperPerkTraining is pointless
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>>143823461
sometimes you have to join an empty server and wait for pubbies to join during the first few waves, if they all join on the last wave/boss wave, you know they're just there for a free achievement.
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>>143826063
im a fuckup, forgot pic
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>>143816543
idling
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>>143787203
More like because it's 7 years old, even older if you count the original mod.
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>WWAUT has no mention of Support rebalancing
I just find it funny at this point. I bet Tripwire thinks Support is 100% after those ammo buffs.
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>this thread is alive again
interesting

>grenade supplier and callout being moved to passives
>still no support rework or mention of supplier going to a passive

FUCKING RRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
I'm sure it's on the way but holy fuck support has been in desperate need of love for almost a year and you fix commando? Fuck off tripwire.

Not like I'm coming back to this turd any times soon anyway. Overwatch is way more fun.
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>>143831064
>commando's skills are now so fucked that you can't even get large mags/eat lead without giving up tac reload/25% damage 50% recoil reduction
guess we'll just have to get used to 20 round scar mags.
call out isn't even a skill people wanted to choose, you'd just look like an asshole for using leadership if you're the only commando on the team.
siren resistance still being a skill for demo is also baffling when everyone will pick it 100% of the time.
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>>143831064
>this thread is alive again
not for long. Still 2 weeks til E3.
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>>143831434
I honestly don't know what they're doing these days. I find it somewhat insulting that they waited a year and a half to start balance tweaking after even the most diehard fans started abandoning the game because it felt like it was going nowhere. Like did it really take 95% of their playerbase leaving for them to finally start fixing their shit?
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>>143831064
they've fixed commando twice.
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>>143831640
The first time they "fixed" commando, they rearranged the exact same skills he had before and replaced night vision with leadership.
http://killingfloor2.com/overview/perks.aspx#slider-2
They didn't even change it on their website, it's still the same skills from EA release.
This just fucks with commando now that impact/backup are now a choice you can't avoid when you could have something better.
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>>143832080
No, they fixed commando when they gave it more ammo.
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>>143832248
You mean after TW took away his ammo when I&D released?
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How's this game compared to the first Killing Floor ?
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>>143832469

Yeah, not really a great fix when they're the ones who fucked it last year and took just about a year to fix it.

I've noticed that Crapwire have been making (slightly) more intelligent decisions since the review score crashed from the 80s to the 50s.
I hope it stays that low for a while, I want them to stay motivated.
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>>143832080
>This just fucks with commando now that impact/backup are now a choice you can't avoid when you could have something better.
so you want a completely imbalanced pair of skills where one is crap?
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>>143833319

This game is looking to marginally improve since the last big update in April, the ROTZ Update.
However, only marginally.
It's an improvement, but it's not hard to improve on garbage.

KF2 in EA is a hot mess.
Don't touch it until it's out of EA.

Don't believe me?
Check the Steam Store, look at the score, read the reviews.
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>>143833380
If every skill choice was as meaningless as lacerate vs regen, what's the point?
It must take too much effort to think of 2 not shitty skills and put them side by side.
In this case, stumble skills are still worthless, backup now has quick draw essentially shoved into it so you get the 50% swap speed with none of the automatic switching that makes gunslinger's quick draw suck so much.
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>>143833319
It's better
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Does anyone require healing?
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>>143833368
that reminds me, i need to leave a negative review
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>>143834818
Try again in two weeks.
Seriously, no one cares if the thread dies now, there'll be one up for E3.
Shit, I've got the whole week off during E3 week, if there isn't a thread I will make one.

>>143834936
Go on actually. Yesterday KF2 dipped into 55% review score before crawling back up to 56%. I'm interested in seeing how low it can go, and whether the E3 Update will be able to drag it back up.
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>>143835147

Here I'll prove it, check this shit out.

http://www.pcgamingshow.com/

About 2 weeks from now, the show will kick off at around 5pm where I live. I will easily be at home (studying lel) for assessments, so if there's no thread up at the point I can chuck one up. Take a well deserved break to enjoy the sight of John Gibson telling me to STAY TUNED in front of a live E3 audience.

I mean honestly this game is so ded we'd probly be better off just discussing it in the Steam Group chat but whatever happens happens you know?
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>>143836318
>we'd probly be better off just discussing it in the Steam Group chat
every time I end up there, KF2 is the last thing discussed
no matter how I try
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>>143836625

Yeah except this time we'll have the livestream won't we? Not just STAYING TUNED.

Also, I wonder what order they're going to present in, because there's over a dozen presenters listed so far, so I wonder when TW will get on?
Last year we got lucky, they were the first ones up, but I don't know in what order they're in this time.
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>>143836625
this, it's only when the game gets updated/hotfixed that people think it's appropriate to bring it up in the chat.
it's been a while since i've played with /kfg/, playing with pubs isn't even fun when everyone is shit or relying on the crossbow.
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Is SS out yet?

>>143813183
...
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>>143813183
Getting dicked by giants in Blade & Soul.

Make a Gon and she'll hop on your lap like a cat on catnip
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>>143840375
stay tuned you dumb slut
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>>143813183
still an attention whore
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>>143840375
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>>143840375

>You asked this a few months ago
>I said no
>You ask again now
>I say no again

Thanks TW
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Is captain wiggins in KF2 yet?
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>>143842739

NOTHING is in KF2 yet
NOTHING
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>>143843232

BUT I NEED CAPTAIN WIGGINS

CAPTAINNNNNNNNNN WIGGGGGGINNNNGSSSSS
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>>143843314

Actually, thank you for reminding me

>>143671059
>>143671582

NOT IN A BILLION YEARS KID
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>>143753856
commando is "good enough" now, but it was truly strong at launch. for whatever stupid, stupid reason, tripwire have been nerfing commando ever since and FINALLY realize how dumb it was. i like the new skill set, especially with the recent ammo buff. it's closer to how commando was in the beginning.

support rework when
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>>143831434
Well, to be honest, you can choose faster reloads over more damage.

Commando already pops heads with one shot, and that extra damage won't make a significant difference.
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>>143666553
Looks like a generic sci-fi gun form babby's first early access unity fps
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>playing sui pub since no hoe
>everyone else dies at double fp / double scrake wave
>have to make the choice as medic to run back through the meatgrinders or run around the corner
>choose corner since i'd rather not be a hamburger
>5 sirens blow my head up
can siren spawns be less shit?
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>>143713993
Decapping a scrake as commando without the crutchbow while pubbies watch in awe
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>be yurop
>find at least 10-15 populated HoE servers running official and custom maps (not cube)
>people usually leave the xbow duty to medic
>people play their class role as they should
>sometimes I meet 1 or 2 guys that truly understand the game like I do and it leads to really fun games
>most people understand when to leave camp and start kiting
>most people know how to kite with slow classes
>most people are sick of zerkwalling and don't do it anymore
>I regularly do extremely well with commando
>I regularly do extremely well with support
>I regularly do pretty ok with demo

I don't have half of the issues you guys have, this game is a lot of fun even after 500 hours played and honestly the balance is nowhere as bad as you make it sound. Sure, zerk+medic as a combo is way better than say commando+medic but that's not a bad thing. The point is not to have all classes equally strong in all aspects, but to have complementary classes. A team with a good commando and good support rarely leave any work to do for the zerk, as the scoreboard usually proves.

TWI can still suck a dick for that VS and hats bullshit though.
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How are they going to to make SS better than GS at headshot related stuff without breaking the game?
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>>143851719
They're reworking the incap system, so if I had to bet I assume they'll give SS skills based around disabling enemies with trick shots.
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>>143852119
360 NOSCOPE
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>>143852119
They should give trick shots to gunslinger (already has leg ragdoll) and remove it's damage and distance of accuracy.

Then, give sharpshooter the damage and accuracy.
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>>143849682

I know what you mean.
The Zedconomy debut was an avoidable disaster, the PvP debut was a colossal failure.

However, those issues aside, the gameplay is not beyond saving. There are serious issues of balance but nothing that utterly destroys KF2.

Either way, don't expect any real changes to anything until the SS Update.

Tripwire will want to maintain the illusion that they're hard at work producing lots of new content, so they'll hold everything back until then.

Why release improvements in increments when you can hold them all back until one big date and then say SEE HOW HARD WE'VE BEEN WORKING LOOK AT ALL THIS STUFF.

The Commando changes? Demo changes? Incap and Weaknesses? New character? New maps? Watch. You won't see a piece of that until the Sharpshooter deployment is ready. They will hold it all back until they can release it all at once as a FREE CONTENT PACK. Watch.
Whether SS comes at the end of June or the end of August, that is what they will do.
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