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Post your best memes, songs, fanart, tier lists. Just post good shit.What was your favorite ZTD twist?
>>344225918
I honestly still can't decide if theQ twistis brilliant or stupid, either way it's probably my favorite just because of how fucking crazy it is to go"There's been another character off screen all along!"
>VLR: All of this had to be done because I couldn't shift!
>ZTD: EVERYONE CAN SHIFT!
>>344225918That Diana was a slut.
>>344226196For a long time I was thinking "okay, so THIS is the game where Zero isn't actually one of the guys playing it"
Boy did I feel like a fucking idiot when that asshole got out of the wheelchair he had the whole time with a watch on
>>344226462
All of that had to be done because SHIFTing backward a few hours is much easier than SHIFTing backward a few decades.
>>344226196
Yeah. I'd be so much more on board if it didn't go so far out of it's way to try avoid showing him. If there were more moments, even seeing the wheel of his chair instead of just a shadow. And the way camera angles directly contradict him being there.I still love it for the sheer ballsyness of it.
>>344226462
>random fireman can shift better than the guy who had a whole game dedicated to hone his shifting skills
>Carlos teleported 10 months back and did nothing to stop Zero
Goddamn these cutscenes are a slog to get through compared to the VN segments
So am I supposed to randomly pick these fragments or what?
>>344226801
>SHIFTing backward a few hours is much easier than SHIFTing backward a few decades.
>VLR LITERALLY OPENS with Sigma shifting to Rhizome-9 45 years in the future out of nowhere
>>344226462
I liked it though. It felt like a natural progression of the series. It's all about them embracing the power to shiftand use it proactively instead of reactively
>999: One shifting moment becomes the key twist
>VLR: Some shifting but mostly gaining memories
>ZTD: 10 MONTHS, THE FUCK!, I WON'T DIE.
>>344226484
she makes a good slut though
will be good for a few faps to come
>>344227191
Not out of nowhere. After his older self pushes him out, forcing him forward. He didn't shift. His other self did, and he's dealing with the consequences.
>>344227020
But Carlos had a shit ton of training in his fireman career he escaped death allot
>>344227127
There wouldn't have been a game if he had done that.
>>344227191As a result of Old Sigma forcing him out through his own intentional SHIFT which took a shitload of prep time and at least two frozen sluts, not because it just sort of accidentally happened.
>>344226801
>All of that had to be done because SHIFTing backward a few hours is much easier than SHIFTing backward a few decades.
My point was that in VLR, SHIFTing is a special power, and completely different from what Akane and Junpei can do, which is just access the Morphogenetic Field to download info from other timelines.
And then in ZTD her and Junpei are suddenly SHIFTing around like madmen.
>>344227020
THe entire VLR crew were a bunch of useless retards. I can't believe they worked 45 years, knew Brother's profile as an extremely old man, knew the test site was where FtS would make it's move, and their list of suspects had only a Ice Cream vendor, a woman with her tits out, a firefighter and a fucking PURPLE EYED MONSTER NOT SUSPICIOUS AT ALL ZOMBIE THE SAME AGE RANGE AS BROTHER, and for 5 days, they never suspected anything, and just ran around chatting and running on treadmills.
Jesus fucking Christ, all Akane had to do was use the Mrophogenetic Field to get in touch with Santa and go, "Hey fucker, run a background check on this purple eyed zombie, I think he's brother", and then Crash_Keys could just storm the place and fuck FtS up the ass.
Junpei and Seven, two clueless fucks playing buddy cops did more to hurt Free the Soul than Sigma, Phi or Akane ever did.
TWO CARLOS
>>344226996
>I still love it for the sheer ballsyness of it.
Yeah, basically this.
I also agree that they could have stood to make it more obvious, I don't think most people would have gotten it even then. Show just a little more, and maybe have some fragments whereSean tells the others that he's named Seanso it doesn't come totally out of nowhere when they call him Sean after the reveal. And maybe a few more lines likeJunpei calling Q blind.
Also, it would have been even better if there was an actual reasonhe refused to look at himself through the cameras. Like maybe if Kyle was serving as a player stand in, viewing the world through Delta's eyes, but Delta didn't want him to understand what was going on.
>>344227442
But did he have a whole game dedicated to him? He made Sigma and company look like retards.
Plus, I'm pretty sure being a fireman doesn't make you to go "Go ahead, shoot me, I won't die".
How big is Junpei's dick, anyway?
>>344227846
2 inches hard.
So what theories have you seen since the game came out?
I know about the "Eric is his own father" one, but surely people have thought of other theories, right?
>>344227775
Sigma and Phi were trained to harness their SHIFTing by all the shit that goes down in VLR. Carlos had been trained through his deadly situations as a firefighter. All both of them needed to start shifting at will was to understand it.
>>344227127
>Carlos appears from the Transporter and sees Zero
>Zero MIND HACKS him and realizes Carlos did not come from Payoff 2
>Since Carlos only came to resolve Apoc End, Zero gives him 10 months of vacation before sending him on his merry way
>>344227846
Judging by the lengths Akane goes to to get it, 8.1 Inches.
>>344227775
>I'm pretty sure being a fireman doesn't make you to go "Go ahead, shoot me, I won't die".
It makes you, trust me.
>>344227846
big enough
>>344227764
Personally I think, they jumped through too many hoops to make a twist workthat doesn't even affect the story at all.Felt really cheap.
So has 999 been retconned to say that Junpei was SHIFTing back to the beggining of the game every time you got a bad ending?
[Write more D-Team fanfiction]
[Be lazy]
>>344228034
>the lengths Akane goes to to get it
She didn't do nothing. Jumpy was following her all the time like the stalker he is.
>tfw you make a miracle happen
>>344228090
>that doesn't even affect the story at all.
Yeah that was the problem, which following up on Another Time from VLR could have potentially helped.
>>344228243
Funniest scene in the game.
I love the way he just strolls away.
>>344227713
Yeah how did nobody ever even consider that Delta could be bullshitting. He is the most suspicious person there by a goddamn mile and Akane doesn't even mention his existence in C Team's route
Not to mention apparently Carlos was the only fuckin person who made the connection that in the coinflip scene Delta vanishes right as Zero appears.
Then apparently they all "forget" about it because of the drugs and never revisit it again but conveniently remember it at the very end when it's time to save their asses
>>344227127
Why didnt Akane and junpei come back with a rescue team when Carlos decided to stay behind without warning?
>>344228243
Poor Jumpei 257. he was so happy, and he ended up as swiss cheese.
>>344227713
But they didn't know. They got shifted out and the younger versions replaced them. Nobody has any idea what went on in the test site
>>344228243
>He still ends up getting swiss cheesed
kek
>>344228081
What bugged me the most about Akane's characterization is the way she responded to Junpei's dirty jokes and shit, she was too prudish about it in this game compared to 999.
>>344227984
Sigma and Phi cared too much about dying desu
>>344228361
How would we know if they did or didn't?
>>344228448
Sigma and Phi know that the R6 outbreak happened, and they both know of Zero's profile as the leader and a very shitass oldman.
They have absolutely no excuse not to suspec Delta, aside from being a useless pair of dumbasses.
>>344228526
Because Carlos is better.
>>344227953
This is my own hypothesis (it ain't a theory because that requires something to make it true):
>Delta and Phi are taken in by Left's family
>Left gets a crush on Phi (like Dio had a crush on Luna)
>he got beaten to death protecting her, which leads to Delta unlocking his Mind Hack powers
>Delta and Phi enter Gordain's Nonary Games to find the murderer, and win by cheesing it with MINDHAX
>the murderer was one of Gordain's high rollers, but Delta and Phi corner him
>Gordain is impressed, and lets them join his secret club
>a number of years amassing wealth by Mind Hacking to always bet on the next winners, with the last one being Ace
I had more, but I need to compile it better.
>>344228462
June was a facade. Still, she asked him to feel her before the C-team SHIFTing adventure started.
>>344228643
Except for the part where he dies.
>>344228184
No. The whole game is still Akane connecting with various Junpei's from alternate timelines until she finds the one that she needed to connect with to solve the sudoku
>>344228643
They knew that Radical-6 happened and was likely connected to FtS, and that Brother was an old man, but did they know if Brother was an old man at the time of Dcom or just in the future?
It's not ZTD, but a meme's a meme.
>>344228462
They were playing hard to get with each other. Junpei would talk about seeing women's nipples, and Akane would talk about how heroic Carlos is.
She does ask him to touch her breasts though.
>>344228329
>OH MAN THIS IS SO GREAT YEAH A MIRACLE
>Akane proceeds to start her bullshit exposition and completely shuts him down
what a bitch
>>344228643
Yeah, but they have no interaction with him in the facility and aren't sure if Zero is even Brother, or if he is even one of them. Not to mention, if you'd been with a literal dead weight for five days you wouldn't be in a hurry to suspect them if shit hits the fan.
>>344228768
Yeah June was a facade, she should obviously be more aware of shit than June but I don't know why that would turn her from "Let's shower together" and "Let's get in this bed together" into "Ew! Male Fantasy!" and "Don't do anything weird on the bed Junpei!"
>>344228197
Write something where 1904 Delta and Phi send a note to the Payoff 2 Klim family after hearing about them from Payoff 2 Eric and Mira.
>>344229015
>it's not actually a miracle it's only a 1/72 chance!
fuck you bitch that's still some pretty low odds
>>344228243
LOL BUT IF WE HAD ROLLED 3 TIMES THAT WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN A MIRACLE, HOLY SHIT JUNPEI STOP BEING HAPPY WE'RE JUST ALIVE BECAUSE CIRCUMSTANCES, MULTIVERSE THEORY AND ALL THAT. STOP ACTING LIKE A FUCKING FAGGOT
>>344228797
They planned for 45 years. They should definitely considers all possibilities, especially with such a small number of suspects.
It wouldn't be Akane, Phi, Sigma, Diana or Junpei. That left Carlos, Mira, Eric and LITERALLY THE OLD MAN WITH EXTREMELY FLIMSY REASONS TO BE THERE AND FUCKING PURPLE EYES
>Akane
>perfectly receives the information about Sigma and having to kidnap him, Clover and Alice etc.
>"Oh yeah, I don't know everything because I only had visions of the future my bad!"
that's convenient
>>344229157
So what should they have done?
>>344228197
Re-write the entire game to not be shit.
I'm pretty close to just doing that.
>>344229257
There are times when the morphogenetic thingy works better than other times.
>>344229157
But he had just as much of a reason to be there as others did. You may be suspicious to start with, but when he is a literal dead weight. And they don't know that it couldn't be one of them. For all they know it may be one of them working from within to access the facility and release it. And they don't know brother is old until after ZTD
>>344227846
Big enough to fold into a 5.
>>344228462
Akane kinda sucked in general in this game compared to the others desu
>999
>Creates a facade of being shy and helpless generic love interest for Junpei before dropping it at the end and revealing herself to be genius mastermind behind the whole Game
>VLR
>Omnipotent psychic essentially single-handedly traveling through time and fighting to save the world
>Zero Time Dilemma
>JUUUUUUUUUUUUUNPEEEEEIIIIIIIIIIIIII HOW CAN YOU ACT LIKE THIS WHEN PEOPLE ARE DYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYING
>>344229257
>gets mind wiped every hour and a half
Probably not helpful when accessing space time.
>>344226462
>>344226801
>>344227713
It has been hinted a few times that Akane used an extremely advanced form of "SHIFTing" in 999 to send her body to timelines where it couldn't exist because she died in the furnace.
it's not really SHIFTing though and neither is what you do for most of VLR. Jumping (where you send some vague memories to a version yourself in a different timeline, which is added to that version's existing memories) is distinct from SHIFTING (where your consciousness trades places with yourself in a different timeline but no memories are shared).
There are enough different esper abilities now that no one should have been surprised by MIND HACK.
>>344229257
She also recreates 999, and gets a live stream as a child.
>>344228580
I'd say because he actually transported after 10 months of waiting, so they must have just left him.
>>344229602
I just wish they didn't fucking call it mind hack.
>>344229493
>But he had just as much of a reason to be there as others did.
Not in an experiment to simulate the living environment on a mission to mars.
Is Eric the most divisive character in the entire series? The community seems to have a general positive/negative consensus on most characters, but I've seen both very negative and very positive opinions on Eric as a character.
>>344229073
To be fair, she said all of that stuff when she was alone with Junpei (the freezer being an exception). Maybe Carlos being there made it weird for her to go along with itEven if i'm still waiting for threeway art/fics with them
Who murdered more people Zero with Radical-6 or C-team ejecting dice roll winners into failed roll histories?
>>344229602
>There are enough different esper abilities now that no one should have been surprised by MIND HACK
Hell, they didn't call it mind hack, but they mentioned that power in VLR.
This guy will mind hack you in the next 10 seconds, what do you think off?manual breathing and blinking
>>344229680
He didn't wait 10 months to transport, he transported 10 months into the past and then waited. Completely different chain of events.
>>344229737
The whole point was to simulate if things go wrong. They may have to deal with a disabled person if things go bad, and he was there to represent that. They mention this shit nigga. It ain't that wack. Hell, he had more of a reason than ice cream fuckboi
This series only makes sense if there aren't actually infinite timelines, just many. Otherwise Akane wouldn't be able to die from failing to create the 999 timeline, and they wouldn't have to try so hard to create the True End timeline of ZTD, they could just shift there since it already exists.
But instead timelines seem to be limited by conceivable human action. It's why it was necessary to create so many choices in VLR and ZTD, otherwise there wouldn't have been as many timelines. If there were literal infinite timelines, then there would have been plenty of timelines where things just went haywire for no reason, but instead everything had to be carefully planned to create as many SHIFT opportunities as possible.
>>344229357
That's a very nice question, and I wish they had thought of that before jumping to the past with absolutely no plan at all
Here's a list:
>Use the transporter to send a letter to past Akane explaining everything they remember about the game
>Since Akane went to the FtS meeting, also tell her who Brother is
>Have Kyle jump into an unsuspeting member of FtS and have him murder Brotherr
>Tell Sigma to absolutely in no way put himself in a position where he could simultaneously lose two arms and one eye. That includes rushing into rooms filled with Acid to defuse bombs with huge power of destruction
>Since Crash Keys hacked the subject documents to put Akane, Sigma and Phi in there, run a background check on every single participant.
>FIND OUT WHO BROTHER IS AHEAD OF TIME AND KILL BROTHER
>Literally not have Akane follow the VLR bootstrap which just leads to endless repetition and failure
>DON'T ERASE JUNPEI'S MIND. FUCKING USE HIM IN YOUR PLANS. HE WAS IN THERE.
>Or, if everything else fails, instead of sending Alice and Clover back using the transporter, send a couple of super powerful death robot terminators built by Sigma and have them arrive a the time the game is taking place and bust everyone else, before going back in to murder Zero.
>>344230016
>mfw Ghandi mind hacked the entire British force out of India during their revolution
I can buy it.
>>344229546
This is honestly what I dislike the most about ZTD. Even Phi felt off, who was my favorite character in VLR, June/Akane being my favorite in 999 because of what you mentioned.
>>344229950
When did they mention it in VLR? I know they mentioned using the morphogenetic field to control people in 999.
>>344230152
oh jesus, when does she pull THAT face
>>344230235
I'm almost sure they mention it when they talk about Brother.
>>344230286
When she saw Sigma doesn't really pack an 18 inch.
>>344230235
Nope. That was in VLR. They mention Brother may be able to control people through the field.
>>344230140
But everything worked out fine.
>>344229546
The point is that while she is a cold mastermind, she was never heartless, at least towards Junpei.
Her whole attitude towards him seemed to be
>He turned into an asshole edgelord because of me, and I'm taking responsability, as long as I can save the world.
>>344229942
Radical-6 was released in every version where C-Team was Executed (since Mira injects either herself or Phi with it).
Compare that to 8 BILLION x 255.
Yup, dice roll wins in casualty count.
999 should have just been a contained story with standard time travel sheanigans
>>344230286
Chopped up Junpei I believe after opening door of truth?
>>344230350
When explaining the first Nonary Game, they say that one of the goals is to attempt to control people with the field.
>>344230405
Too bad it was all because Carlos won a random coin toss, and Akane, Phi and Sigma were all useless.
>>344230067
>The whole point was to simulate if things go wrong.
No the whole point was to simulate how a group of people react to a closed environment for an extended period of time.
>>344230447
>255
I meant 215, whoops.
>>344230085
That was what got me about VLR was that it seems sort of pointless because there will always be an infinite number of timelines where the world ends and an infinite number of them where the world is saved and none are inherently better or worse than the others so even if you save one timeline there are millions where identical Junpeis and Phis and Sigmas all fail and die horrible deaths
All ZTD did was make me nostalgic for VLR honestly, I fucking loved that game and I'm not gonna pretend it didn't have more than its fair share of bullshit but some of the plot twists like the Moon and K's armor were genuinely jaw dropping and called back to 999 in really unexpected ways and the fact that they turned the Prisoner's Dilemma into a twisted torture game is unreal to me
All I wanted out of a sequel is VLR's level of insanity, plus something approaching 999's level of impending dread and fear (you'd think with everyone being there to stop the FUCKING APOCALYPSE they could have gotten that down a little better) and at least some semblance of a clear ending. I wanted them to come up with some reasoning that would make it feel like it wasn't just a giant waste of time because lol infinite timelines and I didn't get that.
I guess it was better than I expected though. It didn't blow my mind like VLR did but it didn't get to its depths of clusterfuckery either.
>>344230085
It's the exact same time travel mechanics as Homestuck.
Hell, they even do the exact same "flip a coin to artificially split the timeline so a time traveller can return to the other timeline in the future by sacrificing the version of them in that timeline" scheme.
>>344230557
Carlos winning the coin toss was inevitable due to TIMELINES, but if things didn't go down as they did it still would have been a bad end timeline where either the terrorists win or Delta says fuck it and releases Radical-6. It was only because of the fact that everyone went through all of the shit in the other timelines and came out still ready to fight that he felt comfortable leaving the future in their hands.
So umm, why did Akane run away at the end of 999? VLR made me believe that it's because she knew what future awaited her, and went off to prepare everything for the AB project, but in this game, it's obvious that whichever visions she has of the future are all garbled and incomplete, and she seems very open to and in love with Junpei to the point of accepting a near proposal inside the shelter, which begs the question, why run away at the end of 999?
>>344230286
pod room, finding Junpei's chopped body
>>344230978
because she and her brother fucking kidnapped people and were indirectly responsible for the deaths of 9th man and Guy X
>>344230978
She went to fight for justice along with Santa.
>>344230749
>>344230067
Well fuck nevermind. Found the scene you're talking about.
>>344230978
>man i just put these people through repeated life and death scenarios, and murdered several people
>seems like a great idea to just stick around them because nothing bad could ever happen
>>344230963
Yeah, it is the exact same. The only difference being that Zero Escape has no "Alpha" timeline. Thinking about Zero Escape in the framework of Homestuck's time travel mechanics makes it make more sense: there aren't infinite timelines where anything could happen, just many many timelines where the conceivable choices people could make went down. For example, there is probably no timeline where Luna picked Betray, because she never would, but it's okay to have Alice choose different things in different timelines since she's conflicted.
>>344230978
She was Zero.
>>344231117
Right, but sha ran from especifically from Junpei for nearly a year. Did she never had any ideia that he was looking for her?
Also, I just realized how much of a hypocrite she is by admonishing him for making a case toward sacrifing the other so they can escape, even though she outright murdered two guys in the previous game.
CARLOS YOU ASSHOLE
YOU GOT IT WRONG
>>344230978
The whole junpei and akane romance was fucking weird to me.
Why would an old Akane's consciousness act that way? Was she just acting for some reason? She clearly didn't want Junpei's aid in the event that the infiltration failed.
>>344230749
The whole point of Delta was to simulate how they would react in a closed environment if they had to deal with disabilities. They stated it, and that didn't change in the time between my last reply. He was like a sub-experiment in the bigger mars one
>>344231368
The one super special timeline where (presumably) humanity doesn't die is Homestuck's "alpha timeline" for all intents and purposes.
>>344231394
While I agree that she's a hypocrite, she murdered bad guys and Junpei wanted to sacrifice innocent people.
>999Ace is the villain
>VLRDio is the villain
>ZTDwho?fuck delta i wanted more than a phi moonkick
>>344231301
This, Uchi said that she didn't feel like she could face them.
Which I don't know is quite true, they honestly didn't seem all that pissed at her.
>>344231394
>Right, but sha ran from especifically from Junpei for nearly a year.
She didn't want Junpei involved, just like when she runs away from him in the VLR timeline. Probably to protect him, since she seems pretty protective of him based on her murdering in ZTD.
>This is my power
>Gets shot and bleeds to death
Pottery
>>344231643
There are no villains, because there's no evidence that anything happened at all.
>>344231817
Delta is the key to all this
oc do not steel
colors came out worse than I expected and the crop on Eric's shotgun is straight horrible but it worked I guess
>>344231817
>We purposely trained him wrong, as a joke
>>344231643Mirasort of filled that role, butDeltawas honestly enough of an asshole to fill the villain role.
Regardless of ZTD Zero's good intentions, he's way more sadistic than his predecessors.
>>344231643
>Mira the literal serial killer
>kills people not only before the game, but also during
>not a villain in at least some capacity
C'mon.
>>344231663
>they honestly didn't seem all that pissed at her.
It's less about them being accepting of her crazy scheme, and more her not feeling like she could face them.
how would you have done the Delta is zero reveal to make it better?
>>344231663
I don't think you understand.
She's guilty of kidnapping and murder. There's a detective on the scene who saw everything. You think Seven (and the police) would just be like "ok, I guess only the bad guys died, you're alright in our book"?
>>344232198
I don't know how Seven feels about her, especially since it's possible that he was somewhat in on it, but considering Alice showing up and the others taken into questioning, yeah she had the right idea to run.
>>344232095
She's a girl. wtf, leave her alone man
>>344230438
>she was never heartless, at least towards Junpei
What is the VLR route
So can we get the guys who did Hotel Dusk and are making Chase to do a Noir style VN featuring Junpei and Seven?
>>344232173
wheel chair racing minigame
>>344232484
She thinks she's doing the right thing by not dragging him into her plans.
realistically, how many men do you believe have used Diana's dickhole?
>>344232173
He's too manufactured as a whole, Delta. "Q" being just totally ignored by the Q team was utterly retarded, the "Sean was never referred to as Q and Q was there and look some shadows :^)" stuff was more of a "wait, what?" than the "OHHHH" reaction the reveals of the other games have gotten out of me.
He had to have more of an active role in the thing or be tied to something pre-established. There was no fucking reason to completely drop Left and completely change the entirety of Brother and Free the Soul. Yes, it was stated in VLR that the intel may not even be true, but that's just a copout compared to what could have happened.
>>344232484
I was really sad to see her simply saying hey junpei what's up in VLR.
This man searched his whole life for her.
>>344232173
I would've had his wheelchair visible in the background of scenes, and made it slightly more obvious that there was something wrong with Q team
OR
I'd have not had him in the team, but had him watching with cameras from another location and have the reveal /be Q pointing out cameras that are all implanted as contact lenses in their eyes that he is using to keep track. Or some shit like that.
>>344231663
>Probably to protect him, since she seems pretty protective of him based on her murdering in ZTD.
And then invite him to her death game? Can you be more of a waifufag?
>>344230749
The vaults were never suppose to protect us.
>>344232683
Just one, her prior husband
if she's a nurse in a heavy metropolitan area hospital, especially in fucking Vegas, that's so fucking busy she probably had time for just her husband and that was it
It makes no fucking sense Akane using the bracelet drug thing on Junpei
That was only going to erase the last 90 minutes. She just left him there and conveniently Junpei forgot all about Dcom and ever meeting up with her after 999
>>344232683
At least 2.
>>344232871
>suppose
I've seen this too many times today.
It's "supposed". Not "suppose to", "supposed to". Getting this wrong makes it so clear you don't read at all and have only heard the phrase out loud, like "duck tape".
>>344232173
The reveal was good, the problem is he didn't get enough screentime afterwards to really feel like he belonged in the story. I don't know how they could have extended it without just turning it into more redundant one-sided monologuing though.
The best way would probably be to introduce another "villain" who one-ups him and forces him to work with the heroes for a final puzzle room or something, where he could be humanized a little and interact with the characters more. That villain could be the quantum computer for example, determined to ensure they don't get out alive because it can't see a good future for humanity if they do. Or it could be some JUST ACCORDING TO KEIKAKU person like Akane or Carlos (revealed as Left?) or basically anyone.
>>344232683
Probably a lot. I can imagine her fucking lots of men after she left her husband, only to feel bad about it when he crawled back to her. Then she'd fuck him too and he'd beat her again, leading to her fucking even more strangers.
Here's the real question, though: How many college girls did Sigma fuck before VLR happened?
classic meme
>>344232173
It would've been cool to not have him hidden at all, and just be a surprise for the players. But then it would've been obvious he was Zero. Still, it could've been an interesting route to go to have the cards on the table in one team, and the players knowing more, that the other teams have to piece together.
>>344226196
Good twist, poorly implemented.
>>344232173
>>344232703
Not sure how to fix it, but I think one of the main problems with the twist is that in the other two games, the protagonist is just as confused as the player, so someone like Akane comes in and explains it to both. In ZTD, all the characters are like "Yeah, that's Q", so it's really hard for a player to understand what the fuck is going on. I was still confused even several scenes later, and the game never really takes its time to fully explain what the fuck he was doing the entire time.
>>344232667
Now read >>344232847
She gives 0 fucks about the Junpeis trapped in the 'bad' timelines.
>>344232703
>was more of a "wait, what?" than the "OHHHH" reaction the reveals of the other games have gotten out of me
This was kind of my thing.
It felt like they went out of their way to avoid mentioning that Delta was there or the Q vs Delta vs Sean thing and then they just dropped a couple hints back in so people might have some idea about what was going on. It made sense, and it was a crazy twist, but it was sort of confusing mostly because it took a minute to realize "wait holy shit how did that work". Whereas with Sigma's VLR reveal you realize that the WHOLE FUCKING GAME is built around never seeing his face or hearing his voice and the assumption that he's still the same Sigma we see in the prologue, and you NEVER NOTICE because it's perfectly normal in many games to have the protagonist not be voice acted or to have a VN entirely from first person perspective. Which is why it blew me away and was pretty fuckin smart overall (even if he did admit to just recycling the Ever17 twist).
I think the ZTD twist suffered the same way 999's did where with the two different names and Sean never technically being in the game they had to do too much explaining before the full impact really sinks in. Whereas in VLR Sigma just has to look in the pond and bam, there it fucking is.
>>344233308
It's also weird as F U C K that absolutely fucking nobody instantly pinpoints the culprit being the ridiculously suspicious wheelchair-bound "double-disabled" motherfucker who's been sitting there with purple eyes and a smug grin for the last two weeks while they wipe his ass even though he doesn't gain anything out of being there, or even being alive.
>>344231260
I play Birdman in defense mode!
>>344231260
IT'S TIME TO
D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-DECIDE
>>344233594
Check my Human Moon Moon, fucker
>>344233708
YOUR CHOICE
YOUR CHOICE
YOUR CHOICE
>>344233738
SAY GOODBYE TO HUMAN MOON MOON
>>344233557
If I was any good at drawing I would turn that into a comic or some shit because it really is hilarious
Like Eric points the gun at Sean and says "how ridiculous is that?? HOW COULD HE BE EVIL" and then the camera immediately pans over to this new character and he is absolutely the shadiest, most evil looking character to ever exist with his permanent scowl and all-black outfit and fucking black and purple eyes.
>>344233049
Typo, bruh. Nothing to get your jimmies rustled over.
kind of slow but just realized that...the reason why Delta killed Gab, mindhacked Eric to kill him and set the force quit box to self-destroy D-com was because even if in that timeline everyone was alive, they also had evidence that he was a madman with all the death traps in the facility, including Radical-6, that's why he forces everyone to shift to the safe timeline where everything is gone and everyone still alive
Absolute complex madman
>>344233884
I SUMMON CARLOS AND ACTIVATE IT'S SPECIAL SHIFT ABILITY
>>344233557
Yeah, harassing a double-disabled wheelchair-bound old man is exactly what the characters would do. Plus, he's locked to Q-team after that, and Sean looks 10 times more suspicious from Eric's PoV.
>>344233901
Creepy little boys with a robo-dome on their head can be pretty freaky too, especially if they're not part of the game at all. Q is supposed to be there, but Sean is anomaly.
>>344234312
Except he's CLEARLY pretending. They could tell that just from the fact his muscles aren't completely atrophied all over.
>>344234415
Why the fuck would you expect a nurse, a serial killer with a fascination for human anatomy, some literal geniuses and walking encyclopedias to be familiar with such trivial shit? Honestly.
>>344234312
Yeah but Sean is a frightened amnesiac child and Eric spends the whole game berating and yelling at him and trying to get him to admit to being Zero
Whereas you have a deaf and blind wheelchair-bound old man dressed like the villain of a PS2 shooter put in charge of a team and Eric doesn't even acknowledge that he could be suspicious even when Sean flat out tells everyone he's Zero
Also it mostly had to do with the absurdity of Eric asking what makes Sean think he's evil and then the first glimpse we see of him is of the most stereotypically evil character imaginable
>>344234586
>some literal geniuses
What? Where?
>>344234695
Eric
>>344234312
>if they're not part of the game at all
He's wearing the watch. Why would he have one, when he's not part of the game? You would think that he's there to redirect every suspicion onto him.
>>344234863
He's a genius at bullying.
>>344225918
> You will never eat ice cream with Uchi
>Implying Mira going back and stopping her young self matters
>Implying she doesn't deserve execution
>>344235030
>implying any of ZTD matters
>>344235030
I mean it would kind of suck to execute someone now that they've downloaded the empathy patch from the morphogenetic field
>>344235105
It really doesn't. Owlman was right.
>>344235241
Not if she's your mother's killer
>>344234297
new meme
Mira will do any kind of sexual fantasy you want as long as she remains unharmed.
However, the minute you go to sleep, she will kill you.What will you decide?
>>344235334
>>344235241
What if we make an ayy copy of her and execute the original? The copy dindu nuffin.
>>344235334
She might as well not even be the same person, though.
>>344235470
Bondage
>>344235030
was the transporter already in the hands of FtS back then? if so I assume they go back, get captured and Delta reads their mind and that's why he knows all the stuff he does
>>344235241
If Ace cured himself with the first Nonary game experiment, would he deserve to be forgiven?
>>344235470
Can I fuck June instead
>>344234415
Yes, any of the other teams, or even a group of regular people, could probably tell. But Q was complex enough to stick himself on the team with a robot who is likely programmed to not notice, someone who doesn't give a single shit, and Eric the most paranoid mentally unstable emotional wreck on the block. And, even once Sigma, Diana, and Carlos show up, they're too busy piecing other shit together to notice. Also mind hacks.
>>344234685
Eric has many screws loose, especially because of his little brother who he seems to project onto Sean.
Plus, he sees this double-disabled dude be double-disabled for weeks, and comes to terms with it being part of the experiment. On the flip side, you got a giant-head freak showing up out of nowhere when you're in a death game. He's just used to be Q being there, but not Sean.
>>344234883
That is a good point, but then it could ruin it for the player? Maybe he should've had the stuff built into his helmet, so he's still seemingly part of the game without being a 10th player. Though that then ruins the anagram.
>>344235503
Shut up, Delta. That's not how it works
>>344235667
I don't know. Ironically, if Ace cured himself with the experiment he probably would have felt like a massive piece of shit afterwards anyway.
>You are now aware that in every single timeline, the second Carlos bursts into the Test Site and saves whoever is there, possibly even himselfUnless he dies in those 10 months
>>344235684
Yes, but she will murder you right before you cum
Best ZTD meme?
>>344235684
Very well.
However, you must listen to her 4 hour lecture about the nature of mankind. If you fall asleep,she will wake you up and start over.
What will you decide?
>>344235938
complex
So why does Delta have creepy black and purple eyes?
Is it because he'scomplex?
>>344235873
He arrived late enough in the VLR timeline that him arriving would be after the ending of most timelines, wouldn't it?
Though we know he wasn't able to save Diana and Sigma, maybe because Q had to make sure they would fuck.
>>344236035
I fucking love how the thumbnail makes it look like the text is a gun to his head
>>344235768
That's exactly how it works. The copy just has the same memories but never actually killed anyone.
>>344235791
I don"t know, he seems the type who would think he did good.
Why did they make Junpei closer to his VLR self if this happens 1 years after 999, and 44 years before VLR?
>>344236152
He saw organs traded like cookies!
>>344235334
Does Eric ever find out she killed his mom? I don't think he does.
>>344236152
He became an ace detective and seen some shit, man. How he did this in a year is too complex for me to understand.
>>344236274
You either believe in him forgiving Mira after finding out or that he never knows
Can you belive in Eric, anon?
>>344235873
I'm feel that is the most likely explanation, thatthe transported Carlos is killed in every non-VLR timeline. It's not too improbable that Free the Soul follows Carlos and kills him based on Delta's orders. After all, Delta possesses the transporter, so Carlos would be in his grasp immediately after transporting.
>>344236069
No, he explicitly mentions transporting 10 months before the game started, so that the transporter would have enough time to recharge so Junpei and Akane could arrive.
>>344236006
>get to talk about all sorts of interesting and COMPLEX topics with Akane
>and then fuck her
Slamming that button.
>>344236397
Who wouldn't believe a shotgunmancer?
>>344236103
I'd have an easier time forgiving amnesiac Mira than Mira 1.0 still a murderous bitch with memories and everything edition.
She would have to be a clone of mira from a timeline where she truly dindu nothing, tap into the meme field, and then ask forgiveness for killer Mira's sins.
>>344236475
>Get to talk
No anon, you get to LISTEN
>>344236513
>Eric has a connection with the morphogenetic field thanks to resonance
>uses it to find shotguns
>>344235350
>>344234297
>>344233884
>>344233738
>>344233594
>>344231260
We will do battle with ancient alien laser beams!
>>344236135
He kinda helped save the world.
>>344236397
Eric is insane enough to forgive her.
so the chick in the white robe that kills D-team when they're trying to leave isMira right? But why are her boobs so small?
>>344236439
I mean arrived at the bunker late enough.
They couldn't kill him right when he transports in, because that is before the branches in ZTD happen. He'd have to be killed when attempting to save Junpei and Akane.
This is assuming that he's like Phi and Delta and went back far enough to be a constant, instead of being like Akane was in VLR, where her death was retroactively the first branching point.
>>344236439
>Free the Soul follows Carlos and kills him based on Delta's orders.
That would have to happen while the game's already in progress though.
>>344236767I noticed it was her by looking at her fingernails
>Eric forgives and marries that woman that murdered his mother in cold blood and ripped her heart out.
HAHA HE'S A LUNATIC MAGGLE I LOVE IT
I just finished the game, and honestly i'm dumbfounded
Literally all they had to do was tie up like 5 plot points and make a satisfying ending and the series would have been pretty fucking great
Instead they introduce a bunch of dumb bullshit, retroactively fuck with existing characters, and create the most unsatisfying ending to anything I've seen in the past 2.75 months.
I'm glad I cancelled my preorder when it was delayed, and I regret introducing my friends to this series
Fuck, man
>>344236554
And now we would have some actually interesting moral dilemmas for the characters to talk about in-game.
Is there a screen capture of Phi from the incenerstor saying "there's only trash here..." yet?
>>344237060
>status: mind hacked
>>344237060
Would you call what you experienced "simply unfair"?
>>344237060
>the most unsatisfying ending to anything I've seen in the past 2.75 months.
What was before that?Homestuck?
>>344237152
>incenerstor
i'm playing on PC and some cutscenes have a fuckton of fps drops and freeze until i open the menu and after that it continues to freeze and having fps drops
some way to fix it?
>>344237060
Come on, anon. It was pretty good until aliens.
>>344236679
>>344236935
>work in a deadend job
>have no future or hope
>suddenly be whisked away by a manic pixie dream girl who you believe genuinely loves you
>she seeks redemption
a lot of anons would do the same thing
>>344237310
I hope that alternate Phi and Sigma found the button so they didn't have to starve to death
>>344237310
>>344237060
How can you people be this mad about the ZTD ending after VLR's stupid clusterfuck lmao
Did you guys just get into the franchise in like April? When VLR ended Zero Time Dilemma was all but cancelled for like three years so that shitty cliffhanger was just where the franchise was going to end
>>344237310
PUSH IIIT!
>>344237364
I get why people don't like aliens but is that really a total dealbreaker?
HELP ME
>>344237469
The difference was that the cliffhanger at least made sense in everything leading up to it
ZTD is just off the rails retarded
>>344237310
I really liked they gave you 60 seconds for this button in particular and none of the others. Gave you a lot to second guess yourself.
>>344237385
I wouldn't forgive someone who literally killed me multiple times.
>>344237467
I'd like to imagine that he uses mindhack to stop you from pressing the button, because he actually knows what it does and he can't SHIFT.
>>344237441
Would the threat of starvation be enough of an imminent danger to enable jumping?
>>344232937
He forgets about Akane's plan aka VLR, if Junpei remember that, wouldn't you think he'd be searching for her, turning every stone possible his whole life?
>>344237530
Verify Game Cache?
>>344237310
>PUSH THE FUCKING BUTTON DIANA GODDAMN JUST DO IT ALREADY FFFUUUUUUUUCCCCCCKKKK
Why was Sigma so riled up here?
>>344237528
It"s the point where everything starts falling apart.
>>344237619
Okay but there would still be a version of them starved to death
Also two babies and Gab
>>344237654
Already done it. And I've reinstalled.
What did Delta do with Diana in Q end 2 after killing everyone but her?
>>344237659
in VLR you push a giant button to stop a bomb
>>344237558
Meh, he mind hacks the other teams to push the yellow button, which kills him too. I don't think he cares.
>>344237707
You are shit at maintaining a proper install of windows.
Uninstall every copy of java you might have installed and just use ninite.com to install it from there. Its retard proof
>>344237747
mind haxxx
>>344236813
>>344236883
Sorry, I wasn't being clear with my theory.
Free the Soul lets Carlos out and lets him think that he's got the element of surprise. Delta knows exactly which timeline he needs Carlos to be alive, ie. the VLR timeline. So in each timeline, Carlos is killed by Free the Soul depending on how events diverge from the VLR timeline. But if D team manages to escape while Phi is infected with Radical-6, then Carlos lives so that he can free Akane and Junpei.
>>344237747
Killed her last.
>>344237554
Would you forgive this face?
>>344237554
>not finding that hot
You're a real snoozefest.
>>344237060
The fact that it's only the worst ending you've seen in a few months speaks volumes, it could have been so much worse than what we got. It basically wrapped everything up, yeah it has something resembling a sequel hook but it resolves all of the plot threads from the rest of the series, minus the epilogue of VLR which I guess is basically not canon.
Don't mind me, just posting the best puzzle theme in the game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzNS8Ah139Y
>>344237924
why not MINDHACKER
If you were Carlos would you have shot Delta?
>>344237963
Knowing that she turns into VLR Clover, no.
>mfw the game actually records how you voted and doesn't just default to the other relevant team making the right choice forthe executions
Got brick walled for like half a fucking hour because I was missingQ-Team's execution, and just assumed that it had something to do withQ being a robot and Zero not bothering to follow through executing them.
>>344237963
To be blunt, she's pretty hot and can turn into a flinstone
>>344237265
>>344237364
>Introduction of aliens, retcons and widespread character assassination causes celebrated long running timeline-hopping mindfuck franchise to limp to a disappointing, straightforward "happy end" that leaves more dangling plot threads than tied-up ones
It keeps happening
>>344238039
ZTD Akane is worst Akane
>>344237987
Fuck off, Eric.
Zero Escape with Junko when?
>>344238037
>best puzzle theme
>not locker room
>>344238231
This was much better than Homestuck's ending.
Funny that this happened though, as I literally came to Zero Escape in response to Homestuck ending and wanting more time travel in my life.
>>344238269
Ze has enugh memes/bad writing already
>>344237963
Absolutely.
>>344238098
All Alice's fault.
I'm sorry but Delta is a fucking comic book villain
>>344238269>serial killer among the cast
>secret extra participant is the mastermind
As if Lagomorph wasn't enough of a DR ripoff
>>344238490
Apology accepted.
>>344237385
Eric is honestly the saddest character in the game desu
I find it hard to call him "sympathetic" because he's such an asshole to Sean and I love that little guy but he has a super fucked up childhood and it turns him into a shell of a man and his ice cream shop job is the best thing he has going for him. Then Mira enters his life and despite the fact that even when she's not planning to kill him she clearly doesn't respect him and barely gives a shit about him he seems to genuinely believe that she's the best thing in his life and the only thing making it worth living
His character arc - or lack thereof - made me sadder than anything else in ZTD to be honest. I wanted to see him have a moment of growth as a character, maybe by saving Sean or something, where he acknowledges how cold and heartless she is and has a moment of realization that his life is worth living without Mira in it and he doesn't deserve to be with someone who treats him the way she does so much of the time, and then at the end he would have a final turning point where he actually stands up to Mira and stops her from doing something crazy.
It just made me really feel bad that Uchikoshi was so focused on Team C's totally not pointless SHIFTing adventure that he forgot about this horribly traumatized guy who was so completely in love with this girl who treated him like dirt to the point that it completely fucks him up and he almost kills everyone when she dies. All he did in the story was act as crazy guy with gun. And then he fucking forgives her.
>>344238360
Homestuck didn't even try
ZTD didn't try either but at least gave a conclusion without that ULTIMATE SELF retardation
And Arc-V is cancer fuck you KAITO FUCK YOU!
>no DECISION to tell Akane to fuck off when she starts rambling
>>344237856
Yeah, I had the same theory. But then we would have Carlos 2 start to shift to save his friends and what not. We basically only see the timelines where everything works out perfectly for him, when there are infinite other timelines where something goes wrong. You can't really question anything in the game because how this world works. Makes the whole end feel insignificant, really.
>>344238736
I would've loved something like that, especially if it completely cracked Mira's facade, as in doing that he's basically removing her easiest chance to tear his heart out.
Sean would've been fucking EXCELLENT to use to help Eric build a stronger backbone, as their dynamic together is actually quite nice.
>>344239019
Pod Room with only Eric and Sean was the best Team Q escape room
>>344238736
Eric and Mira's character arcs were the weirdest things in this game.
It's just so crazy to see such a broken character who doesn't grow and doesn't die, just leaves the game as fucked as he started. The only good news is he might have some kind of happy future because Mira won't kill him most likely, but he'll probably never change.
>>344238736
*grabs shotgun*
>>344239286
*mindhacks u*
>>344238787
>>344238360
Hmestuck's ending at least had a proper climatic showdown. ZTD just kind of peters out at the end.
>>344237385
>Lost his mother in a horrible and painful way
>Saw his father murdering his brother, and was forced to assist in covering up the whole thing
>Constantly physically abused by that same father
>Grow completely emotionally fucked up, and propense to bouts of anger like his father
>Hide it under a stepforward smile facade
>have nothing to live for except his dead end ice cream vendor job
>Suddenly this goddess walks into his life, hits on him and starts dating him
>For the first time in his life since his mother passed away, he feels loved, wanted and actually happy.
Eric was a damn good character. Too bad his arc never went anywhere. I kept expecting him to suddenly gains memories from other histories, and maybe stop Mira from killing Junpei or D team, or save the day some other way.
>>344238269
Already done, it's called 999 with Akane being the Junko of the game.
>>344238008
Look anon, ifhomestuckdidn't end in April it'd have been the shittiest ending I've seen in years.
>>344238736
Eric... Eric had a hard life.
To add insult to the injury, the epilogue was fucking awful. I seriously don't know what Uchi was thinking.
>Keep expecting Junpei to suddenly flip out at Akane and ask if all of their happy moments in their childhood and all of her romantic lines towards him in 999 were just her playing a character
>He never does
>Instead he just assumed she loved him back and walked into the site with a fucking engagement ring.
I don't know if that's completely retarded, or very alpha
>>344238269
>no sexy teacher Junko with glasses
>>344239921
>completely retarded, or very alpha
Junpei in a nutshell
>>344239921
He was right in the end, so i'd say alpha
>>344239740
>>344238529
I want pre-despair-Junko in ZE and not as a mastermind. I want her to see how she copes up with everything.
>>344239191
Yeah it was kind of disappointing desu, he felt kind of unfinished and shallow as a character by the end because of it
>>344239019
>>344239173
Pod Room is what made me so disappointed because he opens up to Sean about Mira and it seems like he's going to have a revelation and finally gain his own independence and vow to finish the game and find her killer for her sake
Instead he loses his shit and goes back to being a mental asshole except this time ten times worse and he just goes and tries to kill everyone
>>344236935
>Akane forgive the bitch that killed Junpei
FUCKING BULLSHIT
>>344239173
>no heartfelt scene where Eric says he's kind of started thinking of Sean like a little brother and Sean says some stuff to bolster his confidence
>no followup scene off this where Mira tries to kill Sean for some stupid reason and Eric has to get her to stop
what a shame
>>344240053
>OKAY, I'VE GOT A PLAN
>>344239921
Once you stick your thoughts into crazy, there's no turning back.
>>344237310
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knLzNk0QeoQ
Anyone else?
>>344237469
Because VLR for how bad it was it's pretty deep and with quality content.
ZTD is fucking shallow.
>>344240118
>I want a character that doesn't exist to be in ZE
>>344240231
Shiiit, this video cuts off the whole goddamn button.
>>344225918
Finally beat it.
That ending, man. I just... eh.Delta was rather disappointing as a villain.
>>344239921
>>344240061
>All signs in this game point to Akane really caring about him after all
>Suddenly Radical-6 ending
And we're back to where we started.
I prefer that to sappy Akane being all there is though.
>>344240231
>>344240339
And now I regret liking it at all, but still, I can't have been the only one who immediately thought of that bit
Jesus christ, why couldn't they make the epilogue files into actual cutscenes.
They literally wrapped the series up in a bunch of files.
The last actual shot in the series is a firefighter pointing a gun at Albert Skullface.
>>344239920
>someone shopped the shotgun in
Nice
>>344238490
Pretty much.
So killing Mira would have prevented everything?
>>344240606
No, you get the 8 billion ending that way.
>>344240427
she realizes she can't be hard and calculating with him around. This explains the discrepancy.
>>344240608
Anyone autistic enough around to do some measurements on that Deagle brand Deagle and compare it to Carlos "The Titan" Carlos?
>>344240427
>Accepts ring.
>Promises to stay with him after they get out
>He says he'll stay by her side and help her with her mission
>LOL NO, I'LL NEVER FORGET YOU, PLEASE FORGET ME
What the fuck, he was in there inside the fucking test site. Just take him to the moon and have him jump in 45 years like Sigma and Phi. You'd have one more person helping you in there and neither you or him would live the lonely and miserable 45 years they were fated to.
Sigma takes Diana with him and creates Luna and Kyle. It's not like having people you care about around would affect anything.
underrated gameover track
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ius54l96xe0
>>344240506
NO MONEY THE ENDING
Fuck even 3 CGs would have done the job.
>>344238083
I'd cap him in the knees.
Who is best boy? Sigma or Carlos?
>>344240297
But we're not talking about the games as a whole. We're purely talking about the endings. And while VLR was an amazing game that fucking tanked hard in the last route, Zero Time Dilemma is a pretty good game that goes a little downhill in the last route. It's not comparable.
>>344240789
shit, I meant to post quietus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rA_DvZ8kQRc
>>344240880
VLR last route is amazing.
>>344240886
>quietus
>underrated
pretty sure it's in everyone's 999 top 5. it's definitely in mine.
>>344240813
Jesus, just have one CG of Akane and Junpei hugging with Santa faceplaming in the background, one of Mira and Eric with their hands on the glass panel in prison and one of Sigma and Diana walking with Phi into the sunset.
>>344240872
Grumpy Jumpy.
>>344240886
Is it really underrated ? I fucking love it
>>344226196
Meh, it's been done before.
https://vndb.org/v57
>>344240886
Best Game Over theme, kept waiting to hear something like it in VLR when I fucked up but I guess it wasn't meant to be.
>>344240872
Sigma "Where's The Swimsuits?" Klim of course.
>>344240774
I was thinking about this the other day,
I like to look at it as another version of her SHIFTED to her from the future...and determined that it was necessary for Junpei to be in the dark in order to ensure the project success.
Of course, I have no evidence to support this, but her attitude did seem to change and is probably where the Akane from VLR began to manifest.
Any recommendation of other mystery games with puzzles and stuff? Just started hotel dusk again since it's been a while since I played it, but suggestions are welcome.
Already played ghost trick btw.
How come Junpei never, in all of his 45 years of suffering, managed to find out where Akane was through the Morphogenetic Field.
He was living in the apocalypse. He was bound to be in a situation of danger or the other. He must've managed to download memories from his future self eventually.
Hell, he manages to SHIFT around better than Sigma and Phi in this game, and they had decades of training.
>>344241252
Too much drinking.
>>344241250
Play hotel dusk's sequel, Last Window if you haven't already.
>>344241207
Sigma "Remember the Six Billion" Klim
>>344232764
This is the saddest moment in any fiction I've seen. Then ZTD just forgot about it.
>>344239920
What is the original of this meme?
>>344241250
Umineko has no puzzles but good mysteries.
>>344239920
Yeah what the fuck she gets redeemed and suddenly has feelings out of nowhere and Eric just forgives her for murdering his mom and treating him like trash literally so she can murder him too?
Fuck that bitch, am I supposed to feel bad for a serial killer who treats her madly-in-love boyfriend like he's an annoying kid the whole game? What could possibly be sympathetic about her character? She's fucking directly responsible for the Radical-6 outbreak too as if she wasn't already shitty enough
I would have liked to see in an ending where she's about to go ham on the rest of the participants or one where they get all the memories Eric confronts her with the shotgun and she ends up genuinely confused and freaked out because she can't understand what she's put Eric through and she can't understand the full gravity of what she's done because she doesn't have a real grasp on human emotions. That would have made her a sympathetic character without downplaying the fact that she killed almost twenty people and it would have given Eric some good growth as a character too.
>>344241498
>Search for his waifu for 45 years
>Meets her again and realizes the girl he loved is dead already
VLR Junpei is a great character, even with all of the shitty muh Quark stuff.
>>344240880
I'm not sure, VLR starts weak and goes full Zero Escape near the end, it's really mind-blowing.
But I was talking about the story and how ZTD compared to VLR feels pretty cheap.
>>344241482
Sigma "Look Ma, no hands!" Klim
>>344241460
Yeah, that's why I'm replaying hotel dusk actually, want to play that with the first game fresh in my mind.
>mfw Ishot Delta with the arrow before finding out Delta was an invisible blind old man
>>344241250
Yeah I would love something that would scratch the same itch of a story where the joy of it is unraveling what's going on, don't even care if it has puzzles I just need something to fill a void.
>>344241689
How?
>>344241581
>She's fucking directly responsible for the Radical-6 outbreak too
Doesn't that make her the heroine?
>>344241498
Best akane and best Junpei in one picture.
>>344241689
Well, what did you think of it?
Most people i've heard doing so assume it was just a joke ending with "lol Zero was just hanging behind them"
>>344241498
Tenmyouji is my favorite character in the Zero Escape series and I don't give a fuck what anyone what else says about him.
>>344241778
that's a smile only a mother can love
>R6 was never planned to escape due to some big event.
>It does thanks to a contrived series of coincidences that result in Mira infecting Phi.
>>344241746
spoilers , or maybe just after the Stranded fragment.
>Junpei threatens DCOM so he could also join the test mission
How exactly did he do that? Isn't DCOM part of the government?
>>344241557
Saw it is getting released on steam like tomorrow. I wonder if it is just the same thing as the current translations or not?
>>344241778
Use this updated version I made of the pic, anon. I touched it up a bit.
>>344241957
DCOM is owned by FTS
>>344241957
HACKING SKILLZ AND BULLIED THE RIGHT PEOPLE
>>344241813
He was great in the true ending route too, when you understood why he became a huge asshole in the timelines where you found Akane's body.
He looked for her for 45 years, just to find her dead already.
>>344241957
I think the implication is that Brother let him in and made him think he forced his way in.
>>344234195
Man, I didn't even consider that. I got so caught up in him being weird I didn't think there was rhyme or reason to it.
If it were up to me, I'd have made the Force Quit Box produce a key to a hidden room, which would then be the final escape room puzzle. THEN activate the facility self-destruct. It would've been nice to have one last puzzle, especially since the last 3 hours of the game is watching cutscenes.
>went from slightly liking Junpei as a character to wanting to suck his dick
what did you do to me /v/?
>>344242156
You just turnedinto Akane.
>>344242002
I believe it's mostly just using the fan translation. It's also just the first four chapters of eight total.
Umineko's had three sets of graphics, the original, the PS3 release, and these new Pachinko ones which look like shit. The Steam release will have the new ones and the originals. The PS3 graphics are the most popular, although many people love the originals. It also won't have any of the voice acting from the PS3 release. Both the graphics and voices will eventually be made available by fans if Higurashi is any indication.
>These two destroyed Free the Souls' HQ together.
Spin-off featuring them, when?
>>344241746I was completely stuck on the "Force Quit Q" because I hadn't realized I still needed D's Execution. I already knew the name "Delta" and decided to try it.
Surprised the fuck out of me when it worked.
>>344240872
Carlos all the way. He even comes with a clone.
B)
>>344242156
>Akane's lust for Junpei is so strong that it affects others through the morphogenetic field
Childhood friend game too strong.
>>344240961
VLR's last route drags down the rest of the game because of all the fucking plotholes it opens without answering any questions and how it leaves a giant fucking cliffhanger for the last game
The Zero reveal is pretty great but it's so blatantly ripped from Ever17 and it all goes downhill from there
>>344241649
I agree with you on most of VLR.
Maybe it's been a while since I played VLR, and I did have a lot of it spoiled so maybe that cheapened some of it for me lmao but I think it's good in a different way from 999 and ZTD. It's got a lot more of the clever torture devices like the AB Game and less just straight up carnage like the Decision Game and the characters are a lot better (say what you will about Alice and Clover but at least they sort of have character arcs whereas the only person you can say that about in ZTD is MAYBE Junpei and Mira because lol morphogenetic field cured psychopath).
fwiw VLR is definitely my favorite in the franchise after finishing ZTD but I think people aren't giving ZTD a fair shake. Yeah the ending was some fuckin bullshit but the game as a whole was still pretty great with some bullshit spots. The impending sense of dread I got going into some of the Decision Games after puzzle rooms was like nothing else, especially with the pantry freezer.
>Junpei fell for the childhood friend meme
>It actually worked out
>>344242156
Go away Akene, you don't deserve Jumpy "20 Inches" Junpei.
>>344241115
It was suppose to be Strain but I guess it's not that spoopy.
>>344240872
Eric is the best.
>>344242337
I'm sure it will be modable.
Why does Akane in VLR tell sigma she doesn't know what happens in the mars mission test site if she was fucking there for the timeline leading up to VLR?
>there exists at least one timeline where Uchikoshi and SWERY collaborated on a game
>>344241252
Possibly a lack of other shitfers around him. He only seems to be able to do it when Carlos and Akane around, and they seem to be able to do it much more easily then he can.
They also talk about how a shifters power is amplified when they're around other shifters .
I'm still mad about
>get hyped with Sigma ~70 into Sigma 22 body
>physic and chemical genius on the group
>wasn't able to notice a AI robot, the fucking VR main hall, camera glasses of Q, and a bunch of 40 years old outdated science stuff
goddamint old Sigma, even jokes you can't do anymore
>Waited 4 years for all the answers
>All of them were disappointing.
Meh, I guess the ride was better than the destination.
>>344242980
She's retarded and thinks she has to follow the bootstrap, even though all it does is lead her in circles.
>>344242529
Such a lust for funyarinpa!
>>344242992
I'd buy the fuck out of that game.
>>344243118
Pay no attention to old Sigma. I have purposely trained him wrong, as a joke.
>>344242980
Because that's what she needed to do for the same exact events to happen again.
>plan failed
>repeat the same steps that led to failure
>this time I will surely succeed
>>344243118
HE WAS MIND HACKED
>>344242992
The direction and animations in ZTD are already uncanny as fuck. I can't imagine what they'd look like if they worked together
Couldn't they have just shifted back in time and gotten some heavy explosives and blown up the test site to eliminate the virus instead of going through all that?
So, what are the Japanese thinking of this game?
>>344228090
I agree. My issue isn't the twist but not enough allusion to it.
>>344242992
>there exist at least one timeline where SWERY didn't stop making vidya
Sadly it isn't this one.
>>344243645
Good job idiot you just killed 8 billion people.
>>344243645
Didn't you learn anything?
>>344242398
I have an unfinished picture where Junpei and Science Boy are in a buddy cop film.
Guess I'm going to remake it.
psst
FANATIC BIO R
FANATICBIOR
FABRICATION
>>344243712
They don't care about it, just like every Zero Escape game. And this one was specifically made for westerners so I imagine they care even less.
>>344237963
CUTE
>>344243725
Is D4 any good?
can someone post the picture with the snail and zero on a bicycle?
>>344243783
I learned that everyone's motives were cretarded
>>344243712
You tell me
>[PSV] Zero Time Dilemma (Spike Chunsoft, 06/30/16) – 5,375
>[3DS] Zero Time Dilemma (Spike Chunsoft, 06/30/16) – 3,916
>>344243645
BUT WHAT ABOUT THE TIMELINE WHERE PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO SAVE THE FUTURE FROM EXTINCTION!
>>344243725
only for now anon. He'll be back.
>>344244024
Fuck is that worldwide?
What about steam?
Are there any VNs out there with a story with crazy HOLY FUCK twists like Zero Escape? Other than Uchi's other stuff.
>>344241801
not him but I did the same
First I think Zero was the player or some bullshit like that
I was hoping I was wrong because it makes no sense
and then the reveal happened and I got mad
>>344230973
Agreed. Delta had to make super time soldiers.
>>344243498
Not to mention all Junpei needs is to exist at Rhizome-9. He's literally just there to help augment Sigma's esper abilities. He can still help Akane and not waste his whole goddamn life trying to find her, and if she REALLY needs shit to be the same, HE CAN JUST LIE. SANTA FUCKING DID IT ONCE ALREADY.
>Goes on a rant about how it's selfish of Junpei to sacrifice himself for her because surviving alone doesn't make her happy and there's no point in living when you lose your loved ones
>Proceeds to wipe Junpei's memory and abandon him to spend his life alone wanting his closest friend back
Hypocritical bitch
The thing that bugs me about ZTD is that TECHNICALLY there aren't really any big plotholes but in exchange so many of the character arcs and decisions are super flawed and make no sense just because Uchi thought the bracelet stabbing would be super sad and dramatic
>>344244252
Owners: 11,328 ± 2,704
>>344244252
No retard that's JP. Steam sold like 10k units worldwide, we don't know the numbers for the versions that matter and they don't matter at all.
Fuck I'm mad fuck nintendo for their digital only RH release.
>>344244024
>VN doing poor in Japan
>VN is sort of a success in the west
WHAT?
>>344244257
The devil on the G string was nice
but no meta twists like ZE
>>344243712
Not enough moemoe bullshit = no buy
There is any secret meaning about Gab or he's just a normal dog?Kyle's mind is stuck on his body?
>>344244252
Japan physical only.
>>344244434
>>344244420
Fuck it, I guess 40$ is a bit too much.
For that price you can buy OW
Enjoy these threads while you can, because once it gets forced into the generals board it'll be polluted with nothing but "She's my waifu" bullshit
Like the Life Is Strange general. Just finished the game, went to the general to discuss it, and just see losers jerking it to the protags
>>344242048
add a shotgun hairpin
>VLR and 999
>AN ESPER CAN'T USE HIS ESPER MAGIC BECAUSE THERE'S AN STRONGER ESPER NEAR
>ZTD
>hey everyone, let's hold hands and shift together
>>344244531
Kyle's mind in his body doesn't have any basis but it's the best explanation anyone can come up with for where Kyle is
>>344243913
It's pretty radical, but short.
Still has that quirky SWERY writing behind it. Plus it doesn't run like ass, unlike DP.
>>344244531
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaggy_dog_story
>>344244606
there's a Life is Strange general?
for what purpose?
>>344244531
Kyle is delta.
>>344244606
i finished danganronpa 2 yesterday, checked the general, and people are literally just roleplaying the characters the whole time
one of the most embarrassing things i've ever seen
Imagine being a SHIFTer and not knowing it.
You're living just fine and going about your day and suddenly your consciousness is thrown through space-time into another history where the you in that history is about to die horribly.
You can't do anything but wonder what the fuck just happened and die in a state of confusion and bewilderment.
It's like well crafted nightmare fuel.
>>344232484
.......which she does not get to in ZTD. She isn't there yet.
>>344244693
This doesn't apply. Gab actually was pretty shaggy.
>>344244606
Nothing will force the threads to a general, discussion will just die and a random thread will appear every week like with many games.
>>344244443
10k isn't poor for a VN, people made a huge deal out of it when S;G0 got 100k first week.
>>344236908
>>344236767
delta tells you its mira in one ending
>>344244661
>Everyone says this
>Forgets how Gab's consciousness would go to the future and somehow be able to speak English perfectly
>>344244770
The same reason that the Katawa Shoujo general is still going
>>344244780
SDR2 has one of the best hype and twist ending I've seen
>>344244446
The twist in G-Senjou makes the twist in ZTD look like a fucking masterpiece.
>>344244892
No, because that would only happen in the endgame route where Akane was in the K armor the whole time, dumdum.
Kyle was on ice-9
>>344244889
Yeah but you can realize it way before that
>>344244786
>die in a state of confusion and bewilderment
Or you just SHIFT again and believe it's been a bad dream.
>>344244606
Eric is the type of dude to go on 4chan and waifupost about how perfect Mira is.
>>344244257
Ever17
Umineko
G-Senjou no Maou
Chaos;Head
Dangan Ronpa series but mostly 2? Gotta play them in order
Heard good things about REWRITE but I dunno how twisty it is
>>344238083
No, he's literally the hero of the story
>>344244786
I wish I wasn't
the idea of going to other timeline and find out there's better me or worst me fighting to be in my place scared me
>>344227550
>at least two frozen sluts,
You got me good, Anon.
>>344244657
It didn't make sense in the first place, because then you couldn't pack 9 espers on a boat together and expect them all to use their powers.
>>344244780
The general used to be OK a while ago but it devolved into pure faggotry in the past couple of months, I assume most people left since there was nothing new to discuss and only the roleplayers remained.
>>344244257
MineFinished never
I'm a total idiot: Why were they unable tosee Deltathe whole time?
>>344244968
Are the Danganronpa games worth playing if I already knowJunkobeing behind everything in 1? I've heard them described as Ace Attorney + Zero Escape which sounds tight as hell.
Which versions are the best? I have a PSP and PC to play them on.
Are Alice and Clover stuck in the VLR timeline?
>>344245292
They were able to. Just no one talked to him because they thought he was deaf
>>344245292
They did see Delta, Delta was only hidden from the player by camera angles n shit
>>344245292
You were unable to because of camera trickery. Q-team could the whole time, and Sean was probably programmed to not point it out, Mira doesn't give a shit, and Eric is tunnelvision on Sean.
>>344245335
play both at PC
Junko isn't the only twist at the game
I got tons of spoiler of dangaronpa 2 and the game was still fun
>>344245335
Play them on PC if you don't have a Vita, if you have a Vita it depends if you want to play portable. And yeah it's worth playing, there's a lot to enjoy in 1 even knowing the Mastermind, and then there's 2.
>>344245292
They could see him, but
>Eric's a fucking idiot and too preoccupied with Sean
>Mira doesn't give half a fuck
>Sean just kind of doesn't call him out
And the other teams just kinda don't think about it. Junpei hints at it in the timelines where Q Team gets executed.
So nobody really cares or suspects him. They just assume he's blind and deaf like they were told.
It's kind of awkward but technically it works, I guess.
>>344245335
It's like AA and ZE got put in a blender and came out shittier than either of them alone. That said, it's not a bad game.
>>344245335
I'd say Danganronpa is just an even more wacky version of Ace Attorney, so it's definitely my least favorite of those 3.
Good music though
>>344245335
Yes. There are more twists to the series than that, and honestly, if you know the mastermind going in, it might actually make it better for you. The mastermind's character is developed throughout the game but you only get it by rereading, so you kinda skip that step.
>>344245470
>Sean was probably programmed to not point it out
Why would Delta care if he was pointed out?
Is this an artifact of when the game was going to actually follow up on Another Time?
>>344245406
>>344245418
>>344245470
>>344245557
SoDelta was there, but he wasn't part of the game, right? I mean, he was, he had a watch, but he wasn't because he was never killed by anyone, right?
>>344236103
The copy has the same MEMORIES, as a person she's shaped by the actions she herself made. Golden Ending Delta truly dindu nuffin and his explanation is sound - imagine if you switched to a hundred timelines where Gandhi was Breivik and then settled here. You'd think everyone was crazy, right? What you remember never happened here, Delta only gets to be smug about it because of mindhacc
>>344245576
>Shittier
Nah, I actually think the DR series has only been getting better as it's gone on while ZE and AA have been up and down
Granted, there's only two DR games, so we'll see once this last one comes out
>>344233325
Because she's technically above consequences. She knows she can just timelord-bullshit her way into a new timeline where he isn't fucked
>>344245593
I like dangaronpa cases more than Ace attorney
at least dangaronpa murders aren't as predectable as the whole AA series
>>344245665He died anytime the computer voice read out Q's X-Code, since he is Q. Sean (kid with sphere head) is the one that was not actually a participant
>>344245665Actually, "Q" is Delta, so when you get an X-pass, they're Delta's, not Sean. Sean does not have X-passes. Hence why they match him. AGE OLD SELF etc
>>344245665
Q (aka Delta) was part of the game, Sean was not.
>>344244257
utawarerumono had one of the dumbest twists i've seen. i'm sure somebody was impressed by it out there
>>344245665
He was killed a few times. Any time Q was listed as dead it meant Delta. He executed himself in the Q team dies timeline (you can hear him scream), and there are some scenes where people die that you can hear extra shots being fired.
>>344245665
He was part of the game. In fact, he was Q-team's leader. That's why Eric found Sean so goddamn suspicious.
And he is killed in subtle ways. He dies with Q-team in the execution and anytime Eric goes batshit, he usually kills Q along with Sean.
>>344245665
He's part of the game but everyone knows him as Q.
Every time we hear the name Q, like with the announcer, we assume they're talking about Sean, the kid, but they're actually talking about Q. Mira and Eric somehow know Sean's name but they never address him as such. Sean is also apparently not part of the game despite having a bracelet, so he doesn't have an X-Pass or an icon on the status screen. Those are for Delta/Q.
In the Triangle game over they hint at this. Mira shoots twice, and you hear two people fall over, and then they call out Q in the casualties as Sean dies.
>>344245665
They killed him constantly, he was executed, shot at, even dissolved in the shower, it's just that we never see it
>>344245593
I like Danganronpa because it sits in a difficulty level in between "here's the murderer" and "not introducing the murderer until day 2 or 3 of a trial". Feels like an actual whodunnit.
>>344245808
>>344245840
Never connected the X-Passes; guess I should have.
>>344245884
That third gunshot was pretty dang neat.
>>344246018
>they're actually talk about Q
Ahh, yeah, that makes sense then.
Thanks.
>>344245840
>SELF
Oh shit it's a player-perspective reference
>>344245867
For me the biggest twist in Underwater Ray Romano was the MC fucking a blind kid.
>Makes a whole game and trapped rooms to kill him
>Actually dies to them
>Can't even shift
I don't get Delta, also
>buy countless Sean bodies
>only use 1 at every timeline
>>344244642
I'm sorry, anon. I don't really know how to make this work.
>>344245680
>Golden Ending Delta truly dindu nuffin
Leader of FtS, abducted and killed people.
>The copy has the same MEMORIES, as a person she's shaped by the actions she herself made.
Yeah but the copy is just a copy. If we accept the copy as a new person, then that person never touched anyone. Of course she would possibly kill again, but until then she never did anything. You could argue that Delta is the same. He has the memories from different timelines, but never actually did anything himself.
>>344246028
I love that he probably had one of the little Sean helpers put the collar on him
Maybe even had the memory erasing drugs in his bracelet, the guy just didn't give a shit
>This is my power...
>>344244257
Sharin no Kuni. It literally has the same twist as ZTD. Spoilers by the way
>>344246264
>only use 1 at every timeline
They used Evil Sean to punish C team breaking the rules.
Also he ostensibly uses them for the dirty work, moving sleeping bodies, setting up traps, etc.
>>344246456
He was 124 and facing the apocalypse. I wouldn't care either.
>>344246371
His "memories" are distinct in that he knows they're from different people (Deltas shaped by different experiences also constitute different people here). There's avisceraldifference between knowing about something and living through it
>>344246485
Fuck, the laptop is password protected, and only my sister knows the password...
Lets just ask her right now!
>>344246264
>Deliberately leads himself down paths where he'll die horribly and painfully with no way to SHIFT out just because he wants to see what will happen
the absolute madman
>>344246112
Yeah, anytime. It's not a super intuitive twist, like us not seeing Sigma's face in VLR made sense but here you kind of have to think about it for a moment before you realize that he was just out of range of the cameras all the time (which is still kind of lame imo) and that nobody in the shelter has ever directly referred to Sean as Q.
>>344246485
>Here's a mystery VN
>BTW here's the twist
>>344246814
Life is simply unfair
>>344246807
Has anyone made a compilation of times whenQ is referred to but they're actually talking about Delta?
Or whereDelta dies?
>>344246456
>the only future in which he's born is the one where he dies
Might as well have some fun on the way.
>>344246720
>difference between knowing about something and living through it
Yeah and Copy Mira was born the moment she stepped out of the pod. She just knows she killed people, but never actually did it. That was her original. If you want we can tell Mira that transporting just copies her. Now the copy knows that all her memories are from a different version of her.
New thread anyone?
>>344233132
You have to admit they knew what they were doing - he's an obvious villain in the context of a video game, but to the other characters he was just a harmless guy
>>344247097
Just let it die
Meme can only live so long
>>344231643
This. The real reason people are mad is because we barely got any information on why Delta did it.
>>344247224
Memes have no more use for this timeline
mfw Zero was revealed
>>344247097
Wait for it to hit bump limit and then start one with a stupid meme from one of these
>>344247224
I say let it go until it burns itself out. I predict we get another week out of these. The endless memes and shitposting and frustrated rage at all of the ridiculous shit in ZTD and nostalgia for the simpler times of Alice being the worst human being to ever fucking live is great and all but eventually it's gonna just die off naturally.
I still miss Soku threads :(
>>344247286
>literally stopped and explained all of his complex motives
He wanted to get born and save 2 billion to 8 billion lives in the process. Also he wanted to fuck with people because he's a dick. Pretty straightforward.
>>344247416
>"what, old man, you stood up!"
who?
>"I'm delta"
WHO?
>"That's right, I'm zero"
WHAT
>>344247056
So would a mind-wiped criminal still need to face punishment? Are we defined by the molecular composition of our bodies or the sum of our experiences?What can change the nature of a man?
>>344247416
I was just really fucking confused at first.
>>344246485
Now I know never to ask for VN recommendations on this site, thanks.
>>344247224
Yeah the threads are slowing down considerably
>>344247478
I'm just glad I finished it in time to be able to read these threads.
I haven't laughed this hard at memes for a long while.
Fucking Amazon
>>344247416
>>344247565
This. Even after I beat the game I was STILL confused.
>>344247502
It's so hard for me to reconcile the fact that he wants to save the human race and seems to have some level of empathy for people like Sean with the fact that he's also a sadistic asshole who gets off on people making decisions and would shoot his own father just because he "has no more use for this timeline".
>>344243712
There are people wondering about what happened with stuff like Kyle, Left, Alice, and Clover over there, too.
>>344247574
See that are some question I would have liked ZTD to tackle.
>So would a mind-wiped criminal still need to face punishment?
Our Mira situation is basically the opposite. We have someone that believes she committed crimes. Who is more deserving of punishment?
>creepy deaf, blind, mute old man just going around in a wheelchair
>no one is suspicious of him
???
Weren't people like Akane and Sigma supposed to be smart?
>>344225918
I feel stupid, because i just realize that Akane in VLR hasthe ringthat Junpei gave her in ZTD, and she still uses it in the right hand
>>344247749
This
>Well, this was fun but disappointing
>Finished game ritual, fire up the OST, open the TVTropes page, the SA spoiler thread and the /v/ thread
>Couldn't prepare for this level of memery
>>344248037
But neither Akane nor Sigma were on the same team as him.
>>344248037
wasn't uchikoshi supposed to be a good writer?
>>344248037
I mean they lived with him for five days before this happened so he was certainly no more suspicious than Carlos, Mira, or Eric. And much less suspicious than Sean, but only Q team knew Sean.
That is, if he didn't look have spooky purple eyes and look like dark Steve Jobs.
>we will never know what happened at the Dcom
What was in the 500mb+ patch for ZTD?
>>344248280
>Akane sees Junpei in there
>"holy shit, what the fuck is he doing here, holy shit, gotta act natural"
>>344247853
>>344247565
>>344247587
How could you possibly be confused?
>Zero says he's among them and practically outright states that he is Delta
>Together with me we are ten, DELTA
>Junpei has a panic attack over Q being alive
GEE WIZ I WONDER WHO ZERO IS
>>344248037
Holy fuck how many times does this need to be said.
He intentionally stuck himself on the team with his robot, Ms. Don't give a shit, and a mentally and emotional unstable retard. Combine that with the fact that Sean doesn't seem to be part of the game so he diverts all of Eric's attention, and there was no one who COULD be suspicious of him.
>>344248256
They lived with the fucker for 5 days before the game began, when they were watching out for Brother.
It never occurred to them that this cripple fuck could be the villain
>>344248408
must be the new REAL ending
>>344248418
I mean I was kind of expecting Delta to just be in some control room masterminding, not literally right off screen in all the Q fragments
>>344248280
The Steam book reveals it. Akane ignored Junpei while crying to herself, Sigma got jumped by Carlos, Junpei, and Eric because he was trying to beat Gab with a crowbar because he thought the dog was carrying Radical 6
>>344248418
I wasn't confused about Delta being zero, per se, but the fact that he was with you the ENTIRE fucking time. Anagram or not, it's hard to hide the fact of a 10th person just out of frame the entire game.
>>344248495
Seriously, motherfucker?
"Oh, we've infiltrated a mars test mission group in order to find out who the big bad guy is. It could be anyone except Diana, Phi, Junpei, Akane, and Sigma. That leaves us with Carlos, Eric, Tits, and Old Guy. Old Guy is clearly obviously deaf and blind because we were told that, so we can just cross him off the list with no problem, yessirree."
>>344248272
>so he was certainly no more suspicious than Carlos, Mira, or Eric
>blind
>deaf
>won't talk
>in a wheelchair
>dressed in black turtleneck
>purple lizard eyes
>name is Q
Nah, no way he could be a baddie.
>>344248037
>creepy deaf, blind, mute old man just going around in a wheelchair
This is suspicious only on a popculture level. In real life, it could describe your granddad.
>he's definitely the killer, he hasn't spoke at all and has creepy eyes
>what the fuck is wrong with you man
>>344248589
Is there a download of the Steam book anywhere?
>>344248675
desu I kind of wanted Diana to be Zero
Even though it would pretty clearly be a ripoff of both 999 and VLR it certainly would have subverted expectations and it could have been interesting to see her deliberately sacrifice herself and her future with Sigma to save the world
>>344248675
Even worse that all three of them know are no strangers to disguising themselves to set up something
But nah, let's take everything at face value this time!
>>344248712
Even writing off the character design stuff, just going by an obvious alias like "Q" when everyone else was using their real names was enough to attract suspicion. Everyone was suspicious of K.
>>344248675
>>344248712
>implying they spent 45 years training so they could harass an old man who they have no reason to believe isn't deaf, blind, and chairbound
What are they going to do? Yell at him until he admits he can hear? Kill a defenseless grandpa?
So, quick question, if there were to be another game made by the same writers but a completely different story, what would you like to see?
>>344248675
The nurse should even know tests for blindness/deafness, they use them all the time to catch people faking disabilities
>>344248863
>>344249082
Well they could just kill everyone and see how it plays out for them. Always possible to shift back and try leaving someone alive. Repeat until big bad is found.
>>344249082
>Yell at him until he admits he can hear?
>do it
>he's like "woah dude what the fuck"
>they realise he was lying about being disabled
>profit
>>344248912
The book and soundtrack are in the game folder if you have the PC version.
>>344249137
ZTD. Maybe this time it'll actually be good.
I must say I think I prefer the self contained story of 999. Seeing all the complaining on the thread tells me that ZTD had a midichlorian moment.
![Tobaku Datenroku Kaiji Volume 03 Chapter 25 - [Project Bite Me Scans].rar-Kaiji Part 3 Volume 3 Chapter 25 - [Project Bite Me Scans]-Kaiji_v3_153-154.png](https://i.imgur.com/m1GcOhN.jpg "Tobaku Datenroku Kaiji Volume 03 Chapter 25 - [Project Bite Me Scans].rar-Kaiji Part 3 Volume 3 Chapter 25 - [Project Bite Me Scans]-Kaiji v3 153-154")
>>344249137
HIGH
STAKES
GAMBLING
GO FOR BROKE
>>344249190
Yeah, Diana is totally the type to not trust people.
>>344249194
Akane please go. Also good job killing 8 billion people.
>>344249334
He can just mind hack them back. Dude has plenty of aces up his sleeve
>>344249345
I have the 3DS version tho
>>344249194
Well, that did happen because of INFINITE TIMELINES, we only saw one variation of the story. I hate the many-worlds hypothesis used in media, it removes any and all significance from any events that happen and there's no stakes because the existence of infinite golden endings is a given. Hell, there's a timeline where the snail made tea for everyone.
>>344249671
>do things with delta
>they mind hack them
>shift back in time
>tell everyone
>no one thinks for a second that maybe Zero might haveULTERIORmotives when this has been the case every single time
I just wanted one character to embrace the Decision Game, although I guess Carlos did that. I don't he ever got angry outside of that time he axed Akane.
>>344249671
>Also good job killing 8 billion people.
Yeah, because they knew about that back then. Also there is no proof that it would always happen in all timelines without Delta's little game.
>>344249137
The protagonist is played from a first person perspective with the only images shown on screen coming from his/her imagination. The protagonist is blind, The player doesn't realize this. thinking they are seeing typical VN conventions.
>>344245807
>dangaronpa murders aren't as predectable
terrible bait
NEW THREAD
>>344249937
>>344249937
>>344249937
>>344249591
>You were the cards all along!
>N-no...
>>344249835
>I don't he ever got angry outside of that time he axed Akane.
He wasn't angry even then. The perfect husband.
