Can someone tell me how did youtube gaming fail? How did it lose to a company that does this kind of shit?
I'd genuinely like to stream on twitch but 4 things stop me.
Fear of no viewers
Hatred of the whole concept of making money from it
Boob Streamers
Time
Whenever I visit the site I just turn chat off because every chat I've seen before I did that was a toxic hell hole
>toxic
kill yourself and crawl back to r eddit
>>343058713
Nobody wants to watch you play videogames, and realizing that is step 1 in becoming part of the solution.
Youtube gaming failed because it decided to show up to the party 4 hours late.
>>343058713
It was a failure since the beginning. It's a google product so... it was pure shit even before day 1.
From what I've seen don't streamers only read comments from people who give them donations? So this will basically give viewers a way to throw away their money while still being ignored.
>microtransactions for twitch
>>343058713
So this shit is basically just donations straight through Twitch, right?
>>343058713
Twitch was already established and the big streamers didn't want to and have no reason to move to youtube gaming.
>>343061405
Basically
>>343060915
>it's a product of the most valuable company in the world so it must suck
You're not making sense.
lmao isn't this like the token systems on camwhore sites
>>343061541
Enjoying your google+ account I see. Keep crying and trying.
Twitch was there first.
If Google wants YouTube gaming to succeed, they can do what own3d try to do and pay top streamers. It kinda worked, except that own3d ran out of money.
Wow, that's really fucking stupid.
>>343061914
What in the fuck.Jesus fucking christ.This is cancer in the most pure form.
>>343061405
They have been trying for years to get a piece of all those donations streamers get.
The Streamer can still decide if he wants to enable it. Ive yet to see one who has.
>>343061914
>That one faggot in OP's image dropping 5000's like its nothing
>>343061914
that 12% discount, tho
>>343062190
i think that was a fake video
>>343062127
because they only picked a handful for the beta
>>343062190
you know it's a promo material
>set up my twitch stream because it looks fun to stream vidya for others
>it's uncomfortable as fuck
I just want to play videogames, having to worry about being entertaining and not focusing on the game sucks.
The sad part of this is it will work and it wil make gorillions for twitch because people are just this loose and this stupid with their money
I don't even like twitch but I'm glad that YouTube finally has some kind of competition.
>>343061914
>picking up chaturbate mechanics
i see where it goes, they rly knows how to please twitch sluts
>>343062259
if you use a facecam or do blogshit you're a cancer redditor and should seriously kill yourself.
longplays are the only acceptable form of streaming unless you are doing walkthrough/guides or are top 1% mmr
It still kills me that a lot of top streamers fake donations (or at least did when they started).
>>343061914
>>343058713
is this fucking real
>>343062408
People who type like you should probably actually kill themselves.
That said I only tried it once, realised it wasn't for me and never did it again.
>>343062127
Good,youtube is cancer anyway.
>>343061914
What the fuck
So what's the fucking point? Trying fool these retards into giving more money to these people? How is this any different than just donating to someone?
>>343058713
>combining your youtubechannel with the youtube streaming service
>youtubestream strikes affect your channel
Bravo, google.
>>343062595
It's different than donations in a way that Twitch takes a cut
>>343062590
Don't click
>>343062595
>How is this any different than just donating to someone?
twitch doesnt get anythng from donations
>I really want to stream on Twitch, but I hate Twitch
Then stream somewhere else, idiot.
>>343062503
fuck off back to /r/gaming you autistic newshit
>>343062231
>>343062237
I know, but it's still ridiculous even in concept
>>343062190
>People on /v/ are this dumb
>>343061914
how much worse can this get I just want to watch my wrestling fanfics in fucking peace.
>>343061541
Most of Google's products are underveloped and full of problems. They throw a lot of shit at the wall and only focus on what sticks.
They didn't become huge by making quality, but quantity.
>>343062590
>hating on skeletons
Get a load of this meatbag.
YouTube streaming is actually better than twitch... for the viewers. It has more options like live rewind and higher stream quality options without needing to be a top streamer but these are only beneficial to watchers.
Twitch allows streamers to be much more Jew and get lots of money which is all they care about.
>>343062595
Donations are 100% to the streamer.
This is just a way to incentivize donations for Twitch.
>>343062458
Yes
I'm sure they're just trying to pick up those titty bucks because it keeps putting whores with boob cameras in my "recommended viewing" even though I mostly only watch no commentary rhythm game streams.
>>343062595
Twitch is the middle man instead of paypal with a 30% cut.Just hear say but its more then 10% if the discounts are any indication.
>>343061991
i checked it out and a streamer said he made 31k bits in less than 1 hour of the update going live
>>343062784
>Donations are 100% to the streamer.
So why do they have to do this through their own retarded currency instead of just, you know, including a fucking donation button like stream.me?
>siglemic will never drown in bits for beating 1:39
>>343062851
Generally on porn sites they go 50/50.
>>343062931
>literally who will never drown in bits for beating 1:39
ftfy
>>343062802
>rhythm game
There's your problem.
>>343062869
people on this >>343062521 make a lot with donations, 31k is nothing
>>343063024
I want to watch a streamer hook up a dildo to the audio and watch her play a rhythm game.
>>343062782
I only stream for friends, but I've noticed that Youtube is much better, at least in my case. Whenever I try streaming on Twitch my stream starts lagging/freezing, which doesn't happen on youtube. And I have a good internet connection so the problem can't be on my end. I've also seen people complaining about Twitch servers and how they're shit especially if you're not a top streamer like you've said. I also remember Twitch restricting quality options for streamers unless you're famous. Dunno if they've changed it.
>>343062904
To make it appear less jewish.
>>343063113
Their site player still uses flash.
>>343062904
if anything I hope this cleans up all those jingles on the screen
>new game out
>wanna check what's up
>screen is filled with shit
>streamer constantly thanks sheikh_mahmud and billy98 for donations
>>343062904
Because it's less transparent and idiots get to feel special with their emoticons/badges.
>>343062904
cause twitch get a cut from those donations
>>343062904
I'm sure there's some sort of logic behind special currency on websites. Probably to incentivize the focus of money in their circle only.
They'll roll out the update that lets you buy channel support with it, then they'll try to slowly phase out the other options, all while putting Twitch cards up on store shelves.
>>343063321
Nigga it wont
The reason people donate is for the callouts.
>>343058713
>Hatred of the whole concept of making money from it
lol why, imagine making money by doing somthing you like, you dont have to become an obnoxious cunt or a boob streamer or whatever
in fact, you just shouldn't think about that in the first place, autist
If we're gonna complain about streamers, I've got a gripe I noticed yesterday.
There's one I follow on twitter, solely for the selfies she posts. She was stuck at the DMV for 5 hours and proclaimed
>No stream tonight, too tired
She does this for a living, being "too tired" from doing literally nothing fucking offends me.
>>343058713
google can be very dense/arrogant sometimes. Just because they're google they think they can shunt something else and replace an established service. It's amusing though, in their desperation to be the "next facebook" or "next twitch" they've missed the boat on what they should have been doing: competing with amazon.
Also seriously everything youtube-related they put out is trash. No, I don't want shitty youtube red for 99 cents. I don't want it for free.
>>343061405
yes.
i wouldn't be surprised if eventually they add a "feature" that only allows donations through them, and actively bans all outside donations.
also, can't donate unless a minimum number of bits is reached. sounds stupid, right? it will happen. just watch.
not to mention this whole thing cheapens Twitch since it is now associated with camwhore sites.
>>343063923
I wosh google fiber would trash shitty american isps
>>343063995
I think that's the most promising thing they've come up with so far.
Question is how long it'll take to realize.
>>343058713
Google are retards.
They can't do anything that isn't pure tech.
>>343063849
they live such a hard life. sitting at their computers playing games all day, acting like idiots.
it's very "tiring".
>>343063995
then you'll just complain about google fiber. kek.
>>343063849
>There's one I follow on twitter
Stopped reading there
>>343063849
Mental fatigue, she's not physically struggling, she'll have been too tired to engage with a stream. have you never had a time where you just wanna turn your brain off and relax?
How long until google starts hiring street samurai to trash their rivals' offices?
>>343064204
My main issue with american isps is they want way too much for way too little
But 70 a month for gigabit is perfect if you ask me
>>343063995
google fiber is one of their best products. Is it still expanding or did they give up on it to chase something stupid?
>>343063849
>Streamer says he's not in the mood, so he won't be streaming tonight
>Next day he says he's suddenly depressed, so he's taking some time off
>This happens almost every month
>If he's not depressed then he's got "real life stuff" to take care of and doesn't stream for days
>Anytime he streams, he always rants about something and thinks he's right about everything
>People still support him
>>343064225
Look, I find her attractive but everything else about her is insufferable. I refuse to watch her stream.
>>343064239
I don't consider that valid for this "line of "work""
>>343064323
They ran into the law that keeps isps from eating the currenta big guys lunch and allows them to remain monopolies
>>343063976
It would be just a matter of updating their terms of service but it would be a gamble they probably don't want to make. People are lazy to change for only slight advantages but that could be too much to swallow.
>>343058713
>Fear of no viewers
I mean, no one starts with hundreds of viewers, get a few friends to watch or something
>Hatred of the whole concept of making money from it
Seems pretty good to me, sitting around all day playing games and making money. However, every streamer that makes enough money to make a living out of it becomes a huge fucking jew
>Boob Streamers
i don't see why this would stop you from streaming
>Time
Yeah, this one you just gotta find time for it. 2 hours, 3 hours per day
Chat is cancer because the streamer allows it. Be on top of it and you're fine
>>343064349
hello monotone tim
>>343062904
What do think sounds worse in the average Joe's mind?
>I just spent 100 dollars on donations for a random streamer
or
>I just spent 10000 fictional currency shit on a donation for a random streamer
You don't notice how much money your spend on something if you never actively see how much you waste.
It's the same with those Disney World dollars and shit.
What happened to this guy? Does he still stream? I remember him streaming non-stop for days and always bitching about something.
>>343064465
he still streams to a few thousand people but he's drowned out by "better" streamers
>>343064349
Say what you want about Lirik but he's been really consistent with his schedule ever since. The only day where he doesn't stream are Thursdays and even then he sometimes does something when he feels like it.
>>343064349
mvg
I don't understand why people give him money. Such a fucking cunt, and the gameplay is minimal
>>343058713
when everyone has a megaphone and a camera, all you hear and see is shit.
>>343064450
As a person with a rational mind that'd just unsettle me.
Good thing I never spent a dime on twitch or twitch streamers.
Always love it when they complain about not getting donations, the entitled cunts.
Why the fuck would any streamer sign up to this? At least when someone donates 5 dollars, it's 5 dollars entering into the paypal system and getting effected.
This token shit is some currency that Twitch can just arbitrarily devalue whenever they feel like it, especially due to their being price breaks on buying tokens.
>>343064610
I feel the same about lirik. i watch his stream eveyrday and it fucking pisses me off how much money he makes
>>343064465
Someone edit him as sonic
>>343064703
The only streamers that currently have it enabled are the ones that make a shitload of money from Twitch either way so they just don't really care.
However, for smaller streamers this system is horrible since it's not gonna take much longer now till Twitch forbids any outside donations.
>>343058713
For me it failed because they want your telephone number.
>>343064734
It's the "he's just like you and me" meme.
No idea who came up with it, lirik is just some arab with barebones english vocabulary being bad at videogames, with no real insights or charisma.
>>343058713
Hey StalkerUKCG, if you are going to post on NeoGAF and on /v/ at the same time at least change what you write so we can't tie you back to a place that is easily hated here - and the fact that mods on Neogaf can find this post and potentially ban you. I personally don't care, but you know... anyways good luck friend.
>>343064610
>Someone subs to him
>He pauses the game to say how thankful he is
>This happens every few minutes
>Someone says he's shit at the game
>Man stops the game and goes on a rant
>After 10 minutes he resumes the game, but still rants for an hour or more
I still remember watching that Trials stream where the dev team was watching his livestream. Man was struggling at some level and the level creator tweeted him saying he's pretty bad or something (it was meant to be as a joke because he didn't outright say he's shit), but Man took an offense to that and went on a rant and started swearing at that dev for like half an hour. Even when the dev said it was a joke and apologized, Man was still pissed.
Can someone explain to me why twitch takes a 28% cut with each cheer amount? thats so much...
> its a streamer constantly says hype episode
just stop
>>343064349
britbong in a nutshell
>>343064989
Because Youtube Gaming failed and because why not since they are a solid monopoly on gaming streams?
>>343064939
>going to echochambergaf
So... what happened to Hitbox?
>>343063849
I'm usually too tired to stream because ofworkbut not having no more than 5 people most of the time is discouraging too.
>stream mostly 2 hours or more
>viewers ask questions and I answer them the best I can
>I play what I want but I also ask for suggestions (someone told me to stream Dishonored so I picked it up during the sale)
>have a face cam but depending on how I feel I just leave it off
>don't feel I'm big or good enough yet to join a stream team or ask for donations
I just want to play and talk about games while entertaining people but it's hard getting a following.
>>343065189
Irrelevant. People still stream there especially content that's not allowed on Twitch, but that's pretty much it.
>>343065158
/v/ is just as much of an echochamber as GAF is. I don't see your point?
>>343065189
S/he never stood a chance
>>343065189
The guys running the show are just as bad as twitch.
Better stay away from it if you can.
>>343065267
>>have a face cam but depending on how I feel I just leave it off
I bet you're sitting in a white room with no decorations too.
>>343062127
It's still in beta testing. Dan was helping test it yesterday and it was the cringiest shit ever.
>>343065189
it's still around. They've got some big name streamers there I think.
>>343065283
There's some truth to this statement. I'd argue that /v/ isn't as bad though. There is usually a majority opinion but you can always find dissenting ones as well. On the other hand I've seen gaf threads where dissenting opinions are outright permabanned for being problematic. That's clearly a whole different level of bullshit. Maybe it's gotten better but I doubt it. I joined in 2008 but left for good once it embraced that political horseshit.
so what stops some one from making a freeware streaming platform that generates revenue through ads?
surely with the bullshit twitch pulls out now there will be enough people willing to make the switch.
>>343065453
I have a television and the occasional cat in the background
>>343061914
Smart decision for making more money but it looks so damn jewish
>>343058713
because youtube are a bunch of kikes and google is an evil company. no one wants to use anything of theirs anymore. if there is an alternative people will and should use it.
>>343065601
the money to support such a thing
>>343065602
Occasional pets are always nice.
Get a pet snake and watch people spam OSkomodo whenever it gets onscreen.
>>343065768
>getting a pet for meme responses on the internet
you disgust me
ster is the only ok streamer as far as how they treat it goes
>>343065550
It definitely did change, I used to be an old time member and was permabanned this past year. It wasn't as strict as it used to be, and people even that go against the grain had a fair. Now if you want to go against the general hivemind thought process you are walking on eggshells so you don't offend anyone but somehow still get your point across. It had to go to shit one day.
>>343065768
Get a donation pool along side it for the name of the rats that its going to eat.
>>343065768
I'm thinking about just getting a green screen because it looks nicer but I want my channel to sort of pick up first before I make a commitment like that.
![CNW6HCLWgAACmY5[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/ZsKpcHQ.jpg "CNW6HCLWgAACmY5[1].jpg")
youtube gaming had the absolute worst UI possible
someone got paid to throw this shit together
>>343066031
I would get green screen but i dont know how to chroma key
>>343064465
he's just an obnoxious twitch shill now
>>343064939
You are no better for browsing neogaf yourself faggot. OP is loads better than you since he didn't make it known he was a neogafer until the flaming retard known as you did.
Kill yourself.
>>343066031
Unless you're really fucking goodlooking I'd rather stick to a normal facecam and decorate the background appropriately.
>>343066034
>all those bullshit on the side
>>343065941
Yeah he's alright. I like his YT channel too but I wish he'd upload more than once every four months.
>>343058713
Tried it for 5 minutes then a messege popped up saying that if i didnt stop playing copyrighter music they would shut down my channel. Never looked back.
Fuck Twitch. I want Justin.tv back.
Google was a day late and a dollar short. The company is too big to be nimble, and like Microsoft, there's infighting over politics and competing initiatives. Sometimes they buy companies out for billions and STILL can't meaningfully iterate (see their purchase of Nest, which hasn't come out with a new product since they were acquired by Google).
They are basically a giant that can impose chrome to control certain aspects of the web but not meaningfully compete on new services.
>>343066219
I'm an above average lookingblack man
>>343058713
kys autist
>>343066431
I guess 'scool then.
Blacks are the better entertainers anyway.
>>343065974
Yeah, the forums are generally very sterile because everyone's afraid to post. Unless you're adopting a "progressive" opinion, then you get a free pass regardless of how fucking stupid the post is. If you call someone out on this though? Banned.
>>343066431
>black
Just say you're a huge weaboo and keep talking about your waifus and shit while playing some fighting games and I can gurantee you that you'll be successful.
DSS only plays Miku these days and usually has no problems getting a few 100 people to watch him suck at it.
>>343066313
This. Sadly it's never coming back and even if someone made something similar to what jtv was I doubt it'd be popular enough.
>>343065470
Dan is cringy as fuck at anytime anyway. Just rewatching some of his 2 or 3 year old footage makes me realize how much of a jew he became. His attitude is so bad nowadays, can't say anything he doesn't agree with, he immediately gets pissy. Money changes everyone
>>343064734
>>343064884
What gets me is that Lirik is the biggest asshole imaginable. Whenever he plays poorly he always blames the game or something else. He also regularly insults anyone he plays against, his subs, and his viewers calling them 'plebs' and treating them like dirt.
It's fucking ridiculous why so many people like him and how he regularly pulls in 30k viewers a day.
How do I get more viewers?
What is the best game to get new fans interested in your stream?
Shit like league or HS is pretty much impossible because you have to scroll past 4-5 pages just to see the 1-3 viewer streamers and no one will do that.
>>343066649
A person who's a shitbag attracts other shitbags. Notice how many people get mad at video games and always blame someone else instead of themselves for playing like shit. His viewers are probably the same as him and they feel like they can relate to him.
>>343066313
Man I remember spending hours watching some guy streaming a leaked copy of GTA IV back in 2008. Good times.
>>343066620
I used to watch Dan every Halloween, but recently I realized he stopped being funny. It's not just the fact that he's no longer scared of anything, but these days he forces these lame jokes and puns ALL THE TIME and his chat would always explode in laughter. He's also gotten so butthurt lately that if you criticize him or say anything negative he'll literally permaban you, put the entire channel on submode and go on a rant about why people are assholes and he can't give them a chance and blahblahblah.
He also got ridiculously fat for some reason.
>>343066820
take part in a growing hobby (a lot of shitters did this with speedrunning) until you get an initial userbase, then switch to something more popular
>>343066175
I can browse whatever the fuck I want. I actually don't depend on the sole opinions of the autistic retards on this board to form an opinion. No matter what issues other boards have, it's still good to see different views and opinions rather than stick to one place because:
>I'm a hardcore autist that only browses /v/ and fuck all those cucks and PC/SJW faggots
You need to go outside more anon.
>>343066820
Dunno. I honestly think the market is over-saturated. You need to find some niche that attracts a specific group of people but I'm sure you know that already as a lot of people are trying to do the exact same thing.
I honestly don't care for Twitch, I don't watch any streams either unless it's Bisquit showing some programming shit.
I will use YouTube's streaming shit though, they offer far better upper limits and quality for streaming than Twitch and even transcode it for you which is great. Twitch can handle shit unless you're popular or want to pay.
>>343066820
Be original, play obscure games or games in a niche franchise like Castlevania where you know the interest is there to help the streamer get through the game with their metaknowledge or watch him struggle.
That's what I'd do.
>>343062521
ironically thats most of those streamers i already hated in the first place
>>343066552
Yeah lately the gaming discussion has been filled with "there aren't enough minorities in video games" or "why is [insert character] not a female or at least gay"
For some reason it has become flavor of the month to be as super progressive as possible, it just feels so cheap to see so many people complain why game companies are essentially not pandering more? And the kicker I bet a large majority are white males, I guess they think their white privilege is something they need to fix? It's fucking stupid, it's painful to read anything anyone posts there anymore.
>>343066969
You're the one who called him out for browsing neogaf originally dipshit. Here you dropped something!
>>343058713
>Can someone tell me how did youtube gaming fail?
It didn't and it's where the money is at. When you go by revenue for video game related content Youtube is far ahead.
You suffer from the misguided notion that live streaming is how people make a lot of money (and as such have lots of views) when in reality pre-recorded content is the main cash cow. I believe it was a 1:5 ratio last I read anything about it.
The only reason twitch is being commonly referenced is that for amtateurs there's no compeition in the form of other media content people might want to view instead. On twitch the entire site funnels its users into a certain stream they then watch and if a streamer is on top of the page he's bound to stay on top of the page while on youtube there's a ton of video content from all interests a person could have that is fed to users with rather advanced algorithms. That means on Youtube someone might get sidetracked by funny videos or music where on twitch they are stuck watching other streamers.
If twitch streams do not up their production value and issue more quality content then in the long run they'll lose to other forms of more entertaining and better condensed content. It's not fun watching someone play a medicore game while desperately trying to be funny when you could watch a (well) scriped and (well) edited 20 minute video instead and then hop to the next one. This, however, is an industry concern and you as user don't have to worry about it.
>>343064939
ROFL
Seriously though. Everyone in this thread bitching about streaming gems and shit need to realize they are part of the cancer. Seriously, look at all the e-celeb bullshit threads on /v/ lately. This is on you, younger generation.
>>343067263
Yeah I called him out to teach him to vary his posts from one board to another because, believe it or not retard, mods on Neogaf can and will ban you if they find you posting something unsavory on another board.
Are you his fucking lawyer or some shit? Go suck a dick elsewhere kid.
>>343066551
I feel I'm most entertaining when I play Overwatch
>>343066586
People keep telling me to play SFV again but nobody wants to watch me fight the millions of Kens and Ryus in super bronze. I need that one game that will get me fans and not random 14 year olds trying to make me mad saying racist shit.D.Va and Cammy are my only waifus
why are people so mad? it's just tips that twitch gets a cut of instead of PayPal which makes sense seeing as how twitch is the only reason those people are able to make a living playing games anyway
>>343058713
>w00t!
>GG!
>Whoa! OMG OMG! This chat is the best!! You rule!!!!
Nobody talks like this.
>>343067548
>he doesn't know
>>343067548
it sadly does, followed by the kappa emote because its so funny to spam for the hundredth time
>>343067339
>It's not fun watching someone play a medicore game while desperately trying to be funny when you could watch a (well) scriped and (well) edited 20 minute video instead and then hop to the next one.
You miss the point of Twitch.
The reason why streamers are so popular there is because they interact with their audience. Kids and teenagers get to 'talk' to their favourite streamers and pretend that they are their friends, which is something you can't replicate in pre-recorded Youtube videos. Youtube may make more money in the long run, but livestreaming will always be profitable for a certain group.
Do you ever watch Summit1G or Lirik's streams? They get hundreds of donations a day with messages like
>My dog died and I had a shitty day. Glad you're here to cheer me up!
>Don't feel bad man, you're my hero. Have this $50 and keep entertaining thousands of people!
>Hey I'm gonna be in your city next week. Wanna hang out for a bit? I'd love that so much!
Like, these kids literally think streamers are their friends and these streamers act friendly with terms like 'bro' just to keep the donations rolling in.
>>343067716
I wonder if those are really kids and not just lonely nerds looking for social interaction.
Either way, they seem to do a good job in exploiting these retards.
>>343067850
I remember reading an article somewhere saying the average age on Twitch was higher than Youtube, so probably lonely teenagers and young adults like you and me.
>Either way, they seem to do a good job in exploiting these retards.
Do they ever. They always act like they're your friend, but most of them have submode on 24/7 so that you can't even talk to them if you don't subscribe. Some people like Lirik literally don't even respond to chat except to get game tips or insult you, so you have to donate for them to respond. I remember the other month seeing someone donate to Lirik going
>My dad died yesterday from cancer, I don't know what I'd do without you
So Lirik says some generic shit like "my condolences man cheer up". Then the guy donates another $50 just because Lirik acted nice to him.
It's fucking disgusting.
>>343067440
>having 2 waifus
is streaming the most cancerous thing to happen to the game industry since horse armor DLC?
>>343066136
Did he recover from his addiction? I've been out of twitch for a while now.
>>343058713
>>I'd genuinely like to stream on twitch but 4 things stop me.
>Fear of no viewers
That's literally something you have to deal with regardless of the site you're on. You just play for a couple months and slowly amass a userbase, or you do it as a side thing tied to a Youtube account and hope both take off and people like what you do, hell, you can even advertise yourself to
>Hatred of the whole concept of making money from it
So do it on the side. Who in the world is saying you have to play 24/7 and make it your job when you can easily just stream whatever you're playing whenever you normally play and play it like you normally do anyway, you just have to be at least active a couple times a week for a decent amount of time to make anything out of it if you actually plan to have any sort of viewerbase.
>Boob Streamers
How does this affect you? No seriously, how does this affect you? No one is forcing you to watch Tits McGee and her nipples of erection if you don't want to.
>Time
Again, if you want a viewerbase or any money in the slightest this is something you have to deal with. You can stream whenever you want, a bunch of speedrunners do this for example and very few have actual set schedules, but they rack in several hundred people most of the time.
and if you hate the way chats become cancerous you literally have power at your hands to quell all that kind of discussion if you want. The only time you become a meme chat is if you let it become a meme chat. You can even globally disable emotes if you want so you don't have to see shit like EleGiggle, FrankerZ, or Kappa unless you want to.
>>343067354
>if you complain about something you're as bad as them
what.
god forbid we have discussion about something you can't even handle, you baby, you can hide threads you know.
>>343067214
>For some reason it has become flavor of the month to be as super progressive as possible
It is difficult for me to figure this out. I suppose the highly active banning of dissenting views and general curation of opinion has created a warped social dynamic. The normal person really cannot post anymore in this environment. I think it may have become a "progressive arms race", where people support/endorse these opinions in an attempt to gain social standing on the forum, mixed with a healthy number of cult-like individuals that the environment has selected to be able to post a lot.
>It's fucking stupid, it's painful to read anything anyone posts there anymore.
That's what broke the habit for me. Going there was physically taxing.
The only twitch channel I watch regularly is a tournament player that primarily interacts with viewers by answering mechanics questions and talking through the meta when people ask, but otherwise talks about what choices he's making in the game and why. Watching his stream is like getting a clinic in how to play the game competitively.
I remember when there were more streamers on twitch like this, but his viewer numbers are dwarfed by boobystreamers and loudmouths.
>>343068667
Also the forum is heavily biased against people who hold certain values. It is very antagonistic against people who highly prize accuracy and honesty.
>>343067716
>The reason why streamers are so popular there is because they interact with their audience.
This isn't entirely true and has already been subject of various studies. It's not the actual interaction, it's the sense of affirmation and belonging users seek.
Human beings seek social approval and in current times this comes in the form of digital interaction in chats or in forums with upvotes or someone commenting on one's views positively.
The issue with thoes mediums is the cognitive disconnect you experience when reading - it's not the same as hearing a human voice and seeing a human face addressing you directly. On a side-note, this approval-seeking is also why encouragement in the workplace is essential to enhance productivity, loyality and mental stability/health of employees.
You are correct in assessing that people donating to streams to get attention essentially buy affection and approval, in particularly approval in front of a crowd that they couldn't convince by themselves but often it comes with the downside of quickly realizing that it's shortlived and empty/vain, enhancing feeling of depression and loneliness when not being mentioned on a stream, in particulalry for kids. This is similar to rich kids in real life buying "friendship" - it has detrimental effects that make it a bad idea in the long run.
This builds or rather enhances social pressue within (young) people and stands in stark contrast to watching an enjoyable, good spirited narrative of someone playing (seemingly) happily along on Youtube.
This will in the long run lead to more people trying, for lack of a better expression, to get their heart mended by sources outside of twitch - such as Youtube or other gaming communities.
>twitch is more about making money for lazy shits that don't want to 9 to 5 than it is about video games
>>343069010
>This will in the long run lead to more people trying, for lack of a better expression, to get their heart mended by sources outside of twitch - such as Youtube or other gaming communities.
I disagree. As you said Youtube cannot replace the fundamental desire of approval that Twitch and its communities/streamers can give. Youtube is an isolated experience that you can only enjoy with friends or sharing the videos through social media - this means nothing if you are already lacking in friends or people who will read your tweets/posts/whatever.
Perhaps as people grow up they'll move away from Twitch into healthier alternatives, but Youtube won't be a replacement nor would it even compete with what Twitch offers.
>>343067339
>It's not fun watching someone play a medicore game while desperately trying to be funny
sounds like game grumps, one of the most popular channels.
>>343058713
>Can someone tell me how did youtube gaming fail?
Kappa
>>343064396
>I don't consider that valid for this "line of "work""
If you've never experienced what he's saying then you won't really understand it so I'll try and explain it.
Imagine you have loads and loads of free time starting now. Your first handful of weeks are bliss, it's the same feeling you have when you take a week with vacation days or you get a reasonable length of time off just for yourself and you end up doing what you want for fun. You binge on everything you've missed, you catch up on your games and shows though you still have many things to clear. So now comes let's say week eight of this, you're not allowed to go outside that often because that would take you away from the games.
You've got several games you want to play but don't really want to play on your backlog, you've played through most of the games you didn't manage to due to lack of time that you really wanted to. Now, while you're feeling like you just don't want to play video games anymore I'm going to tell you you have to pick a game out of that backlog and play it whether you like it or not. Now do it again and again and again and again. Then you get a single new game every once in a blue moon but you can't force yourself to actually play it because you are just mentally drained from playing the last 10 games to completion in such a short timespan. Now imagine it's your job to play these video games and act like you're having fun doing it.
TL;DR - Look at your huge list of Steam games, look at your backlog, now try and force yourself to play games from your backlog in that Steam list when you want to play literally anything else but that backlog game.
Alternatively, go pirate a bunch of games, choose one that you kind of want to play but don't really and beat it completely without dropping it. It's that feeling you get where you're two hours in and you want to die because you have so many games you want to play but you don't want to play them at the same time.
>>343067354
>ROFL
>>343070143
You don't even need this long explanation.
Anyone who has turned their hobby into an 8-5 job would know why it's draining.
>>343068667
Pretty much. I really don't care if you make a game with a white, black, asian, gay, whatever character as long as you do it right and it doesn't feel like you are pandering to a certain group because "IT'S 2016 AND WE NEED TO BE PROGRESSIVE." It becomes cheap and it throws me out of the game world the devs have created because CEO Bob was told by shareholders he needs to be more inclusive, and has he "seen the news lately"?
The only thing I miss are the sub-communities where the garbage posters stay. The Steam community and others weren't bad, and people actually had normal discussions as mods usually stay out of them.
>>343068076
True but I'll take that risk.
Is talking to other streamers a good way to get followers?Because I feel it would just end up being "hey man check me out sometime" or "follow for follow?"
>>343070651
Typo: Where the garbage posters stay away from.
What the shit does this actually do? Is it the virtual equivalent of throwing coins into a street performer's hat?
>>343070535
Yeah, but he just outright didn't get what mental fatigue was like and how it wasn't a valid excuse when it's most certainly a valid excuse. I'm not a streamer nor a NEET but I have loads of free time due to certain circumstances and the last thing I want to do is play games from my backlog or even watch shows from my backlog. I'm lucky if I watch an episode of anything I like every week or two or play a game properly every week.
Streamers have it way worse than this since they have to actually do it or they don't get to eat, you basically just make yourself hate what you love but force yourself to do it anyway.
Instead of nonstop complaining, let's list off some Good streams, shall we? I'm talking about channels that respect the viewer and aren't just 20-something whores begging for money
Dansgaming
Manvsgame
Crumps
Lethalfrag
Lirik
Summit
You can thank me later
>>343070805
you know tipping that myfreecam and other similar sites have. its just that. twitch decided they were missing out on all the money donations via paypal
>>343070805
it's basically twitch taking a cut of donations. that's it. they disguise it under the "hurrr let's spread cheer to our casters".
they're only thinking about the casters and themselves. little to no benefit for the viewers.
>>343070805
Basically, instead of donating to the streamer's paypall, which Twitch gets no cut off, now you can donate using this, so Twitch gets a percentage of it. Which means that soon they'll ban direct donations
Spamfish is the only guy I watch but his constant soccer rants are getting a bit tiresome. How long is this euro soccer tournament gonna last??
>>343071026
So it IS throwing virtual money at people, where Twitch is a guy who runs between the crowd and the entertainer trying to catch the coins.
>>343070941
beaglerush
la_li_lu_le_lo
>>343070913
Don't forget some streamers are basically forced into playing only certain games or else they don't get viewers. Trihex basically gets no viewers if he doesn't stream Mario Maker for instance.
>>343066620
This. What the fuck happened to dan? He used to be based, edgy but didn't care. Now all he does is spout shitty trump jokes and sellout to terrible game companies. He's also gotten fat as fuck and doesn't seem to understand the basic rules of calories in/out.
I was subbed to him for almost 2 years, before I turned into his stream and asked myself, what the fuck did I find entertaining about this guy. So sad.
>>343070651
Pandering is pretty dishonest, and it becomes more about forcing a view or wanking off a group of people. Ironically in this situation the gay/trans/whatever character in question is just used as a disposable tool to accomplish this which is very "unprogressive"
I had noticed that sub-communities were better as well. My idea is that the barrier to entry (you generally have to play the fucking game) helps keep dumbasses out. The main forum is too easy. You can just read kotaku, post nonsense, and never touch a game. Frankly I doubt many of these people do, they're just in it for the political gaming commentary.
>>343071238
more like twitch twitch runs the performance venue and takes a cut because they are providing the means for the entertainer to perform.
>>343058713
This would be a good feature if Twitch didn't take a 30% cut.
Just like subscriptions where they take a 50% cut. Fucking mega jews, that's the kind of rake even loansharks would scoff at.
>>343071704
At least some of them get used to it or treat it as "That thing you have to do" and separate it from actually enjoying stuff, or they find the little things they enjoy. Clintstevens is an example, he plays(Or played) OoT for months day after day and it didn't drive him mad, he just said he hated and liked certain parts and then the stuff at the end of his stream was to unwind.
But yeah, that fatigue is absolutely brutal, especially since it's extremely hard to shake outside of just going cold turkey on everything you love for a couple months.
>>343071768
>What the fuck happened to dan?
Money, dude. Him joining that n3dfusion deal was the catalyst to his change. Compare the last 2 horror months, this last one was about getting as many subs as possible, with him locking chat when live, while the previous one was about fun.
>>343072060
>tfw I fell for the "I will always play games for fun" meme
The only type of stream that gets viewers without trying is titty streamers.
If you want views as a guy or a girl who isn't camwhoring, you need to be actually good at a video game, that game has to be popular AND you have to have an amicable personality.
>>343071768
It's called money.
Most of the really popular streamers you see right now, they started off meager and humble, probably back on Justintv. They understood how to build a community of fellow gamers that just wanted to hang out, talk, and check out the newest games together. Back then, it was much simpler -- you streamed for the fun of it. Even with jtv's partnership program, all you got was piddly ad revenue. But when people started to become ok with direct donations, that's when it all changed. Guys who were once average joe nerds began to transform into celebrities, sometimes very quickly. Money and fame can change one's personality, fast. This applies to Dan, to Lirik, to MvG, to pretty much everyone on the top. He will never, and I repeat NEVER, return to the way he was before, so you may as well jump ship now and find a new person to watch.
Twitch is all about money now, for those streamers. That is all. You aren't their friend, you are a source of income. Just another number in their thousands of viewers. You are completely replaceable and he won't think twice about it. Either join the echo chamber, or get banned.
>>343072234
> tfw I can't even have fun with games anymore
i used to enjoy streaming and games but that died a few years ago
>>343072006
The end goal for every streamer (imo) is to be able to stream whatever game you want and still draw in your regular crowd. People like Lirik who can play anything and still get $$$ have it easier since it's harder to for them to get burned out. When you're stuck playing Mario Maker for months on end though, you'd probably want to kill yourself.
>>343072060
>with him locking chat when live,
I tend to notice that only the most pretentious streamers force sub-only mode instead of just using slow-mode. Sad to see Dan fall so low. Seems like it was only yesterday when I was watching his 2013 Halloween month.
>>343072448
Personally even if I have a variety of games to play I still get burned out constantly. My way of doing stuff for the past 10 years or so is literally to binge a game for like a week and do nothing video game related outside of like shitty casual games to pass the time for the three weeks after. I just can't juggle all the games and absorb them or have fun with them man, I don't see how others do it.
>>343064553
I've never understood what made the really popular streamers popular to begin with. Is it just longevity?
When I see a stream, if ever, they seem rather plain and uninteresting. Makes me wonder why people keep donating to them.
>>343072448
It's pretty unbelievable that Lirik gets 30k viewers no matter which piece of shit game he streams. I've never understood what his appeal is. Have watched him a couple of time recently and I just find him dry. I guess the age group of his subs is closer to 14-16 or something.
>>343072656
I'm the same way. I've tried many times to actively play multiple games. I have friends who just jump in and out of many games, including mmos and shooters etc, meanwhile I can't keep myself interested in more than one game at a time.
>>343062904
It's basically guaranteed because the bits are nonrefundable because they're too many memesters who donate $1000+ to see the streamer flip out and then they revoke it minutes later saying "it was a mistake" or "lol i troll u"Also Twitch is a business, and a business' goal is to make profits.
>>343070941
Are you 15?
>>343072867
Actually he mentioned on his stream previously that the avg age was in the early 20's. I also think the appeal of him is he is like a normal nerdy dude you would chill with, I can see the appeal, but I guess he is too big to fail at this point - barring he doesn't do anything ridiculous retarded. I mean the dude makes $400,000 after taxes, he is set for life even if Twitch somehow falls through.
>>343064204
>complaiing about gigabit speeds, unlimited data caps for $70/month
Maybe if I was from Singapore, but Google Fiber kicks the shit outta every American ISP bar none. Too bad it's gonna take till 2030 for them to finally expand outside of 3 places in Middle America.
>>343071704
witwix is smart about it, plays a few hours of mario maker then switches games and keeps a good majority of the viewers.
Tfw only watch one streamer.
>>343070941
>Lirik
Yeah, thanks for recommending shit.
>>343072850
Consistency (as in streaming 5-6 days a week at very specific timeframes) + Being friendly to lonely dweebs with loads of disposable income + Making viewers feel like special snowflakes with sub and donation notifications.
>>343071974
>turbo
>subs
>advertisements
they already take cuts. why donations? what's to stop them from saying, "hey streamer. if you want to stream here, you must use bits. we will take a 30% cut (which can be changed) no matter what. why? because we have no competition and fuck you."
you're literally endorsing bad shitty behavior for no reason.
>>343070941
Admiral_Bahroo
Richard_Hammer
witwix
>>343073395
How does donating to somebody make you feel special?
>>343073546
you get your name called out in front of thousands of people!
isnt that nice?
>>343063849
>>343063849
You do know theres a thing called mental exhaustion, right?
>>343073209
>400k for acting like a retard every day
he even went to college. kek. hard to believe people give him money for being treated like dirt. he gives nothing at all back.
>>343073546
you'd be surprised how easily amused the chat is, you get spam stale maymays and the chat goes nuts
>>343058713
Duh, because streaming pages weren't set up to automatically redirect you from "www" to "gaming". Huge mistake.
>>343073540
>Richard_Hammer
Based
>>343073217
they won't. it has a lot more to do with already established fiber lines in cities. the companies that own them won't give them up, and due to contracts with the city, Google will not be allowed to lay their own fiber.
there's a lot more at work than what you think.
>>343062763
>android
>youtube
>gmail
>all failures
wew lad, you are a thick cunt, aren't you?
>tfw just use livestreamer to watch streams on MPC-HC and have nothing to do with the cancerous chat or the site's cancerous layout
>>343073650
So you feel special for like what, 5 seconds? At the cost of a few dollars? Huh, at first I was confused to how that works but now it kind of makes sense.
You pay a small fee to feel socially affirmed for a few seconds.
>>343073737
So one could just simply play games in front of the camera and occasionally post memes and be pretty successful then?
>>343058713
>I'd genuinely like to stream on twitch but 4 things stop me.
Stop being a fag about it. You don't have to use any of the gay shit that sucks about Twitch. I stream shit from my backlog on there every now and then and have a great time shooting the shit with IRL friends or a few regulars who drop by. You don't have to chase the most popular flavor of the month games or pander for subs, if it's something you'd enjoy, why not?
I always seem to be alone in thinking that emoticons lower the intelligence of a chat. Why don't people want pure text like IRC? Where it requires actual effort to express yourself.
It's exactly like the "dumbing down" we see in video games, except this time it's socializing itself that has been "dumbed down".
I've literally never seen someone agree with me on this. I might be old and out of the target demographic.
(It's not just twitch chat, I think twitter got some new emoticons recently too.)
>>343061405
It's donations with Twitch taking a bigger chunk than normal donations, but streamers being forced to shill for it or have their accounts cancelled.
>>343073816
they bought android and youtube from third party
>>343062763
He says while posting from chrome on his android phone with notifications from Gmail about YouTube popping up.
>>343073865
>So one could just simply play games in front of the camera and occasionally post memes and be pretty successful then?
works for a certain diablo 2 speedrunner, he has no actually skill but apart from saying hype every sentence he'll throw on a shitty maymay song that gets the chat going. he gets 1k viewers unlike a decent runner who might get a couple hundred
>>343067548
>Nobody talks like this
I wish I was part of your world, cause it sounds like bliss.
>>343070941
nl_kripp
themexicanrunner
trihex
>>343073934
Are we pretending now that YouTube worked well before Google took over?
Are we also ignoring that even if they had no other products, Google.com is a technology that all of society runs on?
>>343074009
You work for a streamer? How does that work? He pays you to do stuff for him?
>>343062763
>They didn't become huge by making quality, but quantity.
no they game huge because of 2 reasons
product marketing, by making the word google a household name and synonymous with a search engine and capitalising on the .com boom of the 90's.
now they are a mega corp with only god knows what powers they hold over the average person, all around the world.
also
>>343058713
>I'd genuinely like to stream on twitch
>watching people play vidya instead of playing vidya
Op is a tried and true tested faggot
>>343074038
>kripp
>trihex
lol yeah no. both have been corrupted by the twitch ez money machine. trihex even has a qt3.14 gf now thanks to it all, and she sure as shit uses him to boost her own stream.
>>343074114
you're a goose
>>343073907
If you're looking in Twitch chat for intelligent conversation you're doing things wrong. Twitch isn't some gentleman's club with cigars and whiskey, it's where bored teenagers go to yell at other bored teenagers
>>343070941
>Lirik
>Summit
Seriously?
>>343074202
So you don't get paid to work for the streamer then, you just do it for free? What the hell
Anything that takes money away from JEWGLE is a good thing.
So it's not worth it to post LPs on Youtube, just stream your gameplay on Twitch?
>>343070941
>Summit
>Good
1. Fuck You.
2. Pic Related
also, i don't understand how Summit got big in the first place. He's like the most plain, vanilla, while bread motherfucker on the website but he averages 9,000 viewers every time he streams and gets $500 in donations on average per day. I still think the guy viewbotted his own stream until at least 75% of those numbers became genuine.
>>343067123
They are all in the group of people that sucks twitch's cock the most.
>>343074194
You know any good places where I can keep up with the compilation of Twitch drama?
It's fucking hilarious.
>>343070941
>Implying anyone whose viewers willing to advertise the stream with /v/ could be anything but pure cancer
>>343074038
>kripp
old kripp maybe, he's sold out now
>>343058713
>Fucking chat tokens
Damn, Twitch is slowly turning into a softcore Chaturbate.
>>343058713
>toxic
Just fucking end your life.
>>343073307
same
