Is Tree of Savior the only good mmorpg right now, despite its flaws? I've tried Tera and Blade & Soul and the first one is yet another WoW clone with gimmick combat while the latter is a clone of Tera.
>ToS
>good
I genuinely feel sorry for you. Usually, I make fun of people like you, but it's come to a point where even remotely appreciating or defending ToS leads me to believe there are some deep mental issues in people. Abusive relationships perhaps. I don't know.
In any case, I hope you'll solve everything.
>>342735748
This game could be good but it's fucking awful instead.
>>342736863
>ask a question
>immediately jumps to conclusions
>>342735748
>tera gimmick combat
But the combat is the only good thing about tera. Like I'm genuinely sad I'll never get an mmo the scale of wow with tera combat.
>>342735748
>pay to win Korean MMO
I'm a good goyim too.
>>342735748
Wasn't this game made by whoever made ragnarok?
>>342737562
From the creators who saw Ragnarok Online
>>342735748
>TERA's combat is a gimmick
Lolno it's the only redeeming factor of it outside ofelin
It's not a WoW Clone at all though. Blade And Soul is nothing like TERA as well. It's combat is shit.
you can play Warhammer Online on that ''Return of Reckoning'' private server.
>1000 + players
>almost no pvp bugs
bretty good
![PDmy1g1[1].gif](https://i.imgur.com/PGx9G8K.gif "PDmy1g1[1].gif")
Moonlight blade and Revelation Online are the only good mmos right now.
ToS will survive, but just like Tera, fanservice will keep them afloat. Wankers love this shit, instead of adding real content and things to work for, they'll just spent all their resources into developing more and more cash shop goodness, and only the tryhards will bother with end game or grinding money to fuel their stupid expensive attributes.
>>342737837
That game is pretty shit
>>342737082
>Like I'm genuinely sad I'll never get an mmo the scale of wow with tera combat.
And for this I'm glad. What's the point of an action combat if:
>there are braindead quests where you can facetank most everything that you challenge at the recommended progression point
>you have to walk more than fight
>you have to contest shared mobs as resources
>mobs are in extremely limited quantities instead of being a fun killfest with hard mobs everywhere
>mobs come in one by one, there is never one difficult situation to handle at any point during the leveling
>there is (or there was when I played) an incredibly strong level scaling difference, making that the single most influential factor in the game. no need to say this is cancerous in an action game where reflexes and skill should trump everything, yet if a BAM is 5 levels above you? you deal no damage, so enjoy hitting them for 20 minutes. how about actual difficulty scaling and not raw numbers?
Etc
Effectively speaking, Tera shits the bed exactly for wanting to be a WoW-style MMO, which is what they should have aimed to get away from ENTIRELY. The entirety of the leveling process becomes a drag where the game may as well be autotarget or turn based, it doesn't matter at all.
Sure is fun playing such an "action" game.
Instead, Tera is "literally WoW but the combat engine is different, often making no impact". No thanks. Into the trash it goes.
>>342738418
why?
FFXIV is literally the only MMO that's thriving right now. The second expansion is going to be announced in October at FanFest. 4 years of service and still no server merges or closures like other failed MMOs.
>>342735748
Got around 150 before I got fed up with how shittily IMC handles the game and due to every friend quitting due to the same issues.
I don't know why there's even an option to select Swordsmen when they contribute nothing due to god awful balancing that is insanely slanted towards parties of Mages and Archers with a cleric or two to support.
The game is an unoptimized fucking mess, my system is pretty decent and gets like 20 fps on channel 1 Klaipeda and during some dungeons. A system with an overclocked I7 5820k and a 980ti should not be getting 20 fps on it. They barely have done anything on it to fix it.
The company keeps trying to curb bots and spammers, but ends up hurting the normal players instead with how everything is so shittily handled in the auction house, trading etc.
The pings fluctuate so badly during the day that you can still get instances of the quests taking longer to actually turn in than it did to do the damn quest.
I've parked my guy and I'm sitting on around 8 months of premium tokens, if they fix the game i'll come back but i'm not holding my breath for it.
>Good
Why would you willingly play a game with that many BRs?
>>342740006
>over a third of the players are Huemonkeys
HOW
Elder Scrolls Online is epic.Combat is cool.
Epic quests with no kill x of that shit.Actually immersive quests and very good story.
Good PvP Zerging on castles i guess.
PvE dungeons are amaze!
Stealing,Assassination,crafting,exploring...literally everything.
I played countless MMORPG games,and there is none that even slightly compare.
>it's another generic Korean MMO
Why do you fags keep falling for this meme?
Vanilla WoW Private servers are doing pretty well too atm. Tons of players and a number of servers to choose from.
>>342735748
I remember how everyone was hyped as shit for this game, it was fun to see their souls get crushed when 90% of sane people dropped the hype after they saw the nexon logo.
>>342735748
>Make the same post with the same image in a TERA thread an hour ago
>Get called a retard
>"Better make my own thread instead!"
>>342740727
The thread was dying and I didn't see anyone spouting retard anywhere, so nice headcanon.
no good mmos exist
>>342740563
You don't understand, this was supposed to be the savior of MMOs
>>342738604
>you have to contest shared mobs as resources
I liked this in an open-pvp server because it was one way to facilitate the pvp.
When my group went to kill a boss mob and found another group already waiting, we got sick of waiting for the boss and attacked the others so we wouldn't have to wait twice as long. It was a lot more fun than pve or organised pvp. Even during the packed 1st week, you could go from one moment where you are co-operating with players all the way to absolute chaos with bystanders being drawn into the brawl.
I agree with your other points though. Level scaling is especially cancerous.
>>342739837
>all this FFXIV shill forgetting the game already failed once and had to literally be destroyed
This game is surviving for the same reason KOTOR is surviving,t he fanbase, it doesn't make it good.
>>342741862
this is exactly what I miss from RO. while its a shitty shell of its former self now, back then there were pretty much no instances. All the areas, dungeons, and bosses were shared, which made the game feel more alive to me. It was utter madness back when iRO beta where places like Glast Heim had so many people running around that monsters would be respawning by the droves every second.
You just don't get that in MMOs anymore.
>>342742036
>and had to literally be destroyed
and once destroyed it was rebuilt to be a fucking wow clone
fucking pathetic
1.0 was way more interesting even if it was botched, yoshi-p is a fucking hack
>>342742203
>1.0 was way more interesting
compare this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lW5DnpidMiY
to this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBmilZaq098
1.0 sucked ass mechanically.
>>342740095
Ragnarok was VERY popular around here.
>>342735748
>ToS
>good
You're not scamming more people into buying this shitty game, fuck off retard
>>342741127
Secret World
eve online
ffxiv is probably second but i don't know if they ever fixed the shitshow of the 3.0 patch
>>342738842
The combat has too little impact. Most hots are stronger than dots which makes it easy to keep people alive and draws out fights.
>>342741127
Anarchy online was really good, haven't played it in years though.
>>342737052
>Gets read like a book
>Doesn't even try to deny the accusations
ToS is such a colossal failure. Having brain damage is pretty much required in order to defend it
>>342742036
KOTOR is surviving because it went F2P, FF14 is still requires a mandatory sub fee.
>>342735748
It's time to give up on mmorpgs friend.
>>342742448
It's free now but I agree. The only person I know who plays ToS is my brother who still plays WoW so he can orbit a female. It's a game for mental retards.
>>342735748
Fuck their "servers". Ping constantly jumps up and down. No it's not my internet, go on /vg/ and ask thm and they'll give you the same answer
>>342739837
>thriving
>poor sales
>no subs
ha no
FFXI is the best MMO out there right now, you can say it went to shit after ToAU if you want but now that MMOs are just straight dying and every modern MMO just wants to mimic the shitty stagnant MMOs, going back to some oldschool shit like XI is the cure for what ails you
>>342735748
Just play single player stuff like XCX or FF12. They give you the feel of an MMO better than MMOs these days.
Private RO servers are your only hope.
>>342743162
The net code is very shit. It feels like a janky flash game.
>>342740006
How the fuck does that graph work
How can there be more players than owners
>>342740725
Nexon wasn't the problem though, they only deal with the game in Korea. It just ends up that IMC are huge jews just like Nexon. In fact, they seem to be even worse because at least Nexon actually understands they need to spend some money to make the game run properly where as IMC refuses to put any money into the game and is just trying to milk retards out of any money they can get.
>>342735748
PSO2>ToS
Wait, why do people find ToS bad? What did I miss?
>>342743297
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Fantasy_XIV:_A_Realm_Reborn
>Square Enix executives attributed the company's return to profitability in part to the game's strong sales and subscriber base, reaching a cumulative total of 5 million accounts created as of July 2015. Following an extremely poor fiscal year 2013, Square Enix executives commended the game's sales and subscriptions for its role in returning the company to profitability in 2014.[135] As of August 2015 the game had over 5 million registered accounts, a figure which excludes free trial members.[136] Yoshida has repeatedly emphasized that the robust success of A Realm Reborn was due to its traditional monthly subscription model.[137] He sees the free-to-play model as an unreliable source of income predicated on devoting a lot of development resources to monthly consumable or cosmetic items in order to maintain profitability, leaving little time left for higher quality story and battle content.[64] He also disclosed that over 80% of players are satisfied with the subscription model and theorized that this is due to players' confidence in a steady stream of quality content because of their subscription.[64][138][139] With the traditional model, the player base grows over time as people see the game expand, unlike a free-to-play game which can boast a huge initial player base which changes dramatically in size and revenue from month to month.[137] Yoshida has no plans to change to a free-to-play model in the near future.[138]
>>342735748
Wait a few days for Riders of Icarus. I don't have much hope for it but its worth a try since everything else is so bad
>>342737052
The fact that you even called ToS good justifies his post. ToS is in one of the worst states an MMO has ever been in and was a bigger let down than GW2.
>>342743742
>accounts created
That's one huge paragraph of mental gymnastics.
>>342743889
>excluding free trial members
that means at least 5 million purchases was made for the game.
>>342742361
Theres more to an MMO than gameplay, and fast cuhrazy action isnt always the answer.
>>342743596
Nothing, I fixed nothing!
>>342743970
5 million game purchases is nothing for an MMO, active subs is whats important. WoW box purchases probably outnumber the world's population by now. Thats why we dont use purchases as a metric for activity.
>>342743987
elaborate
>>342743970
Except it isn't, since most of those accounts were transferred over from 1.0 aka when you could make multiple accounts for free.
>>342735748
>ToS
>Good
It doesn't help when you post the class with the worst solo experience.
>>342737082
Play Wildstar
>b-but it's not identical!!!
it's what you're asking for
>>342744258
>mmorpg
>solo experience
kys my dude
>>342744142
He's talking about fanservice Anon.
>>342744126
Latest lodestone census puts the game at 700k active subs.
>>342744182
The metric doesn't count 1.0 transfers, check SE's financial quarter reports on their investor page.
>ToS
>Good
Shittiest bait thread in /v/ story and people still reply to it. Kill yourself OP.
>>342737562
No, it's from people who liked RO art style and mimicked it to bait people who enjoyed that art style to play their shitty attempt. It's like Tencent Overwatch, TF2, Dota 2, etc. Can't make a good game? Copy someone else and fail at it, HARD, misunderstanding simple concepts like cards. Seriously, if there is any definite proof people have NEVER played RO is the new boss card system.
>Well, let's make situational cards like RO, rite??
>While also making it character bound rather than item bound (so you can't swap stun weps or sell specialized items like triple saharic weps and whatnot)
>And make it lose card EXP when you remove them
>While also making them harder to obtain
Seriously, anyone that is still playing this crap deserve every 'loading screen patch', 'removed features/more restrictions because RMT and bots' and server unstability. If you paid, even worse, you deserve compulsory euthanasia.
>>342744415
>The metric doesn't count 1.0 transfers
It doesn't say that. It just says that there's 5 million accounts created which could have come from anywhere.
>>342744357
>questfest that remains that way till 200+ (where in ktos there already are even more quest to solo till 240+)
>cross server missions
>random parties being better than premade
Rather than kys, I'll advise you to actually boot ToS.
>>342744496
5 million paid accounts created after ARR's release, as said in their finance reports. You can go check it yourself, I'm not spoonfeeding your lazy jit ass.
>>342744428
dota 2 is far better than dota 1 ever was though.
TF2 at its prime was arguably more fun than classic too. What the fuck are you smoking?
>>342744357
>Having anyone to play with before 200 if you roll a support
yeah good luck with that
>>342744654
Yes, Tencent made TF2 and Dota 2.
You must be 18 or above to post on 4chan.
>>342744639
>>342744686
It's an MMORPG. There's tons of people to play with. Dummies.
>>342742203
>>342742361
How the fuck can people say with a straight face that 1.0 was better? It was game design gone horribly wrong.
>>342742594
>hots are stronger than dots
did you even play in T4?
>>342744639
Nah, it said no such thing.
>>342744769
>ToS
>Having players
Does anyone have the 0.12 FPS screenshot with the entire Korean server on one field boss?
>before game is released
>"GUYS THERE ARE 80 CLASSES!!!"
>game is open beta
>"guys it seems its still holy trinity so party freedom isn't that great"
>game is released
>"guys, it seems it will be only 2 classes from each branch viable, but at least that is a good ratio i guess"
>itos with two months lifetime
>"ok nevermind, there are these 5 builds over all classes, build anything else and you're out, no swordsmen"
>>342744126
>5 million game purchases is nothing for an MMO
what the fuck?
>>342744974
>MMORPG
>yes clearly there's nobody playing this game I could possibly team up with and therefor the game should cater to my warped expectations
>>342744783
people that came directly from FFXI liked parts of 1.0 cause it felt like FFXI, but I agree, it was largely shit, and even the FFXI parts of it didn't really save it, ARR was all around better, but the game got graphically downgraded and the animations got butchered from 1.0.
I'm probably most salty about those animations, all the races had different combat animations and idles and shit and no its just all the same, they also removed abilities from 1.0 that were even more straight homage to FFXI, like simian thrash which was basically asuran fists. Shit sucks
>>342745086
But nobody outside of /tosg/ is that strict about party comp.
>>342745263
You forgot to mention that ARR fixed close to nothing and that it's garbage.
>>342745383
It must have done something right if it's the 2nd most subscribed MMO right now.
>b-but mental gymnastics!
>>342742571
Pretty much this, going by more mainstream options.
>>342745338
Yes, everyone outside of /tosg/ are builds that drop the game once hitting 232 :-(
But hey, still top 30 on Steam. :-)
>>342740006
HUE
>>342737837
Downloading the game. Seems fun, thanks anon
>>342742571
3.2 saved the raiding scene and 3.3 fixed crafting
>>342742036
>>The reason this MMORPG is surviving is because of the players playing it
???????? NO SHIT SHERLOCK WOW YOU'RE DUMB
>>342745513
http://www.polygon.com/2015/1/2/7480177/square-enix-final-fantasy-14-final-fantasy-11-dragon-quest-10-subscribers
I CHOOSE YOU POLYGON
>>342745537
The devs didnt develop the game around only a handful of class setups being viable at high level. I imagine you guys are way exaggerating the disparity between the best/worst.
>>342735748
Vindictus is great despite the company it's run by.
>>342745791
Not really, as 200+ content gets exponentially hard (spion, damage sponges, wb with HP on ull levels), if your build is even a bit below optimal, you will get fucked hard. People who have different/unique builds are getting carried or are PvP only and thus are OK with being shit.
But if you really don't believe that, more power to you, having actually sunk hours to get 250 on this trash gave me enough of the 'Korean Dev' experience for my whole life, I don't need to put any other dime on it, either.
>>342735748
I like both RIFT and Wildstar
the former feels like WoW pre-MoP (except with bards and a more interesting skill system), and the latter has a slightly more actiony combat system ala TERA while not having TERAble quests and grind
I hear good stuff about FFXIV, but I just can't justify paying a subscription to play an MMO anymore
>>342745578
make sure you check the forums for more info and shit
>>342745513
Why can't FFXIV be good? It's so polished. Cute characters. Lots of nostalgia points. Really good visuals.
Core gameplay is fucking ass though. Plus they ruined the crafting. And let's not forget how much they try to jew you on bankspace and housing.
God damnit, there's so much I want to love about it but it's so not worth it.
>>342745628
>Jan 2015
>>342746415
>implying they got 5.5 million subs in the space of a year
hahaa
>>342746314
The only thing I agree with is bank space but supposedly thats changing in 3.4 to some extent. Housing is fine. Its only an issue on 1-2 full servers. You are not entitled to housing. It is not content.
>>342746517
>housing is not content
>>342745986
Isn't Vindictus pretty much dead due to all pay2win or whatever?
>>342746517
>You are not entitled to housing. It is not content.
Neck yourself my man. Just like retainers the 'limitations' of the system is there for the company to save money on space, not for any benefit to the players through immersion or status or whatever excuse. With the amount of games that have truly great housing systems, XIV - as good as it's trying to be - has no reason to be this awful.
>>342744415
No, the last census put them closer to 600k and it's still dropping subs like flies, it had a 140k drop in players from the last census. That census also counts active characters, not active accounts, which means it includes alts. Yes, plenty of people use alts enough to be counted as active, and there are enough alts fucking around to put their real sub numbers closer to 500k active subs or below.
The only reason that piece of shit is alive if because of autistic weeabootards buying shit from the cash shop, it sure as shit isn't due to its sub numbers or boxed/digital copy sales, especially when the base game goes for $10 or even less practically every fucking day.
>>342746512
The game saw a huge rise of players when Heavensward came out and WoW dropped the ball so hard with WoD.
>>342746314
Core gameplay works though. Also, they fixed crafting months ago dude.
>>342747115
500k subs is more than any other MMO right now besides WoW you retard.
>>342744639
No, it had 550k active subs shortly after launch in 2013, and 600k around 2014, they stopped giving concrete numbers after that. The last time they gave some sort of figure was in 2015 when they lumped it with DQX and FFXI and said all their MMOs COMBINED had less than 1 million subs total, later on they just said their MMO division was doing "favorably".
5.5 million retards paying for a cheap as shit registration key means fuckall for an MMO, when the game can't retain even 1 million of them and never actually reached close to 1 million, always sitting at 600k subs at its best.
>>342746854
The occasional event and boss/season updates keep it kicking, though just barely.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwL3JG9sAyQ
>>342740006
There is a South America server. You don't need to play on it. Only a bunch of BRs with inferiority complex plays at the North American Servers.
>>342747472
Except it doesn't mean shit when other MMOs have far more active players and are more profitable due to this, subs mean jackshit especially with a laughable 500k active players at best and only 30% of them doing endgame, which is mediocre by even F2P standards. Which is why this piece of shit lives only from cash shop trash and not subs.
>>342747086
Because its clearly by design to be limited. Their technical limitation bullshit is a fake excuse. They imagined housing to be something prestigious. Of course that becomes a problem when you have people who buy houses on alts. This could have been partly resolved not by just adding tons of wards but instead
>Limiting housing to 1 per account
>Having some kind of unrelated upkeep in game to maintain the house or a gil fee
>Preventing the player from relinquishing a plot for X amount of months after purchasing one to prevent flippers
>>342747538
In one of the live letters, the devs showed statistics about raid clears. At least 500k characters have cleared Alexander Gordias story. The numbers are obviously higher now. It's safe to assume the game is doing well.
>>342747538
Why do people just automatically assume numbers go down instead of up when numbers arent reported? Its not always a conspiracy.
>>342747772
>when other MMOs have far more active players
like?
every fucking MMO besides WoW and FFXIV is dead.
>>342745986
hey buddy stop posting my webms
>>342747284
Nah, its sales and subs don't support that claim.
test
>>342748112
how do you know? do you work for square enix?
>>342747981
Because numbers DO go down, this is the census before the most recent one and shows a clear drop in active characters, 140k active characters stopped being active. MMOs only report favorable numbers, even WoW stopped reporting subs due to also performing like shit.
>>342748285
Subs aren't something you hide unless you don't have any.
>>342747981
It's just some retarded shitposter who can't let go that FFXI died because of FFXIV. He keeps entering FFXIV threads on /v/ just to say the game is dead yet provides no proof whatsoever other than vague data from 2014.
>>342736863
/thread
>>342746314
Because it's a single player game, not an MMO. Monster Hunter has more co-op than 14.
>>342748021
Even BnS, TOR and TESO have more active players than XIV, it's laughable and pathetic.
>>342748448
Revealing subs could also harm your game, see WoW.
>>342747750
I'm not sure if I should be glad or not about choosing SA.
The server won't die anytime soon for sure, but the hues man.
If you really need something out of them most can speak english good enough but it feels weird.
I like the game and the company behind it, I'm just so disappointed with both.
I was looking forward to both this and SF5. Guess how I still feel.
>>342736863
This post is correct, if you want further proof just look at tosg on /vg/ they have severe mental issues.
>>342748592
That's a fancy way of agreeing with me.
>>342748523
[citation needed]
>>342736863
FPBP
>>342748678
you have reading comprehension issues, I'm implying that a game could have tons of subs but once they start dropping people won't stop shitposting about it to the point where people won't join the game because "it's dying".
Ragnarok Online is my favorite MMO ever.
I was unable to play this for more than 25 minutes.
I agree with
>>342736863
So, how is it? I've played on the founder server, but I haven't touched the game in quite some time. Did they fixed the biggest issues like restricted trading, bots fucking everywhere and insanely high prices in cash shop (especially token price)? Not to mention too linear locations, not enough dungeons and stuff like that, but I guess these kind of things can't be fixed in such short amount of time.
>>342748518
how do you get past the main story without co-op?
>>342748406
>Unofficial research done by some random guy based off achievements not everyone is going to have at the time
>>342748783
Nah, the only reason they wouldn't release sub numbers is if they didn't have subs.
>>342735748
>ToS
>good
fucking bait threads when will they end
>>342748975
By that conclusion, PSO2 and FFXI were hardcore flops.
>>342749058
We know XI's sub numbers though.
>>342749135
XI only reported accounts created, not active subs.
I played the beta and liked it expect for the BRs and server issues. i can't play it now though because they are not letting in "new" players.
>>342748680
Fuck off Squeenixshill.
http://www.tentonhammer.com/news/blade-soul-hits-1-million-active-players-online-right-after-launch
>>342749195
And we still know the sub numbers.
>>342749272
except you don't.
>>342738013
the GLORIOUS ERA OF CHINESE MMORPGS ARE HERE. NI HAO MOTHER FUCKERS
>>342745604
>>342747380
How has XIV fixed crafting? The only things that they really did was backpedal and allow materia to be attached to dungeon / raid gear that isn't the top of the line, in order for Yoshi to compensate for overtuning Alex Savage, as well as finally threw in crafting dailies so lazy asses can get easy omnicrafting, until they're screwed over by having to farm weekly-limited crafting tomes on top of regular limited tomes.
>>342749342
Two seconds in google my dude.
>>342749271
>7 million accounts created
>Comparing a F2P launch to a sub only MMO.
>>342749436
google only shows accounts created
also,
http://www.siliconera.com/2013/11/06/final-fantasy-xiv-paid-subscribers-already-exceeded-final-fantasy-xis-peak/
>>342735748
Tree of Savior is a pretty good game, but the game parts make it bad. If it wasn't for that it'd be perfect.
>>342735748
>you can't trade with players unless you pay
>"It's to prevent bots!" as an excuse to it
>good
>"What do you mean you can't pay for it!HAHA YOU POOR OR WHAT?"
BR subhuman pls go
>>342749565
Keep trying newfriend.
>>342749604
you already got blown the fuck out, I win you lose.
>>342748826
I dunno what the issues with the trading were on the founder server, but you can trade shit no problem after lv40 now (stupid new rule)
If both trades have token activated it's k, if one or neither have the traded items will become untradeable.
Bots seem to be going down slowly but probably resurge for a while now that the servers are open
Cash shop is still expensive but tokens are now half price (99tp / 7$), it's something I guess.
You got many dungeons and instanced shit to do, but in the end they just serve for more grinding.
Have fun.
>>342749240
The servers are open again, anyone can join since yesterday I think.
>>342749446
>it's only ok when Squeenix does it
TESO doesn't have a subscription, that means 7 million potential active characters that can be playing at any time, BnS is F2P which means more active characters without an entry fee. XIV might have 5.5 million accounts created, but it's retention rate is pathetic with only 500k active players at best.
Kill yourself Squeenix shill
>>342749707
You don't even know how to google.
>>342749417
Red scrips are easier to get, new crafter gear isn't job exclusive, recipes give you more per mats, mog tribe hands out craft/gather materia and is a good way to level crafters, pretty much every complaint people had in 3.0 about crafting was fixed.
>>342749884
show me then
>>342749865
ESO doesn't have 7 million active characters and BnS is dead as fuck atm.
>>342749708
Nice. I didn't check it for a while because of the steam sale.
>>342750019
I don't spoodfeed newfriend summerbro.
>>342735748
>Tree of Restrictions
>Tree of Q&A where devs specifically state we will solving this issue in kToS but we have no plans to fix it in iToS
>Tree of you HAVE TO roll Wiz3Ele3Lock or Fletcher3 to just have to be considered as a DPS
>Tree of Why just not removing the whole swordman class tree?No dps, no dupport and tanking isn't mandatory in any part of the game
>Tree of Guild Events not working properlu
>Tree of no rewarded or ranked PvP. Why even PvP at 1 fps slideshow?
>Tree of 2 weeks minimun wait time before someone respond to a ticket
Can go on but i got bored
Tree of Savior is easily one of the worst MMO ever managed.
The concept behind and the idea are very good but IMC is absolute incompetent and retarded beyond salvation.
>>342750113
okay so you don't know how to google then, thanks.
>>342750269
I told you. Two seconds in google.
>>342750019
It still has sold 2 million more copies than XIV, and any of those 7 million players can return and be active at any time. Good luck convincing anyone with half a brain to resub for a contentless patch or even sub after their free 30 day trial expires, especially all the recent sale newfags that will drop the game before even reaching halfway through their free time. I'm sure those $5 they paid will bring lots of profit to Squeenix.
>>342750318
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=FFXI+subscriber+numbers
Tree of JUST
>>342750464
The next step is more important: finding the information you need. Have a look, summerman.
>>342750407
t. salty cuck
>>342750632
t. autistic Squeenixshill
>>342750631
you're a dumbass
if you reply to me again, you only confirm it.
>>342750632
>not knowing that nep is in 11 layers of irony
Fuck off Reddit Discord shitters.
How long until Koreans save the MMO market?
>2016
>Trusting koreans to make a good mmo.
>>342745338
It's the other way around
People outside /tosg/ are even more strict
>hey guys i am a swordman without peltasta can i join?
>no, fuck off retard. go waste someone else time.
>>342735748
tos is ass
>>342735748
Eve and WoW are stillthe interchangeable 1st and 2nd. Depends if you prefer sci-fi in space or fantasy with a great lore
>>342747926
>characters
When I played WoW I raided with 4 characters, all well geared and capable of contributing to the current raid tier.
What about actual paying subscribers? Even accounting for there being a (shit) class system, there would still be plqyers playing as different races.
>>342751104
There's no point in alts in FFXIV, it's actually a detriment due to how cross class skills and the main story works.
>>342751067
FFXI shits all over WoW
>>342737837
why not make a 1000+ private server for Dark Age of Camelot instead? It's a much better game.
>>342751252
FF11 was the poor man's Everquest dumbed down for PS2 and weaboo fucks.
>>342751252
>great lore
>>342751380
Meanwhile FF14 is the poor man's WoW dumbed down for PS3 and weeaboo cucks.
>>342751380
It's also the best game ever made.
>>342740464
Whatever happened to Ragnarok 2 anyways?
>>342735748
>Is Tree of Savior the only good mmorpg right now,
(You)
IMC deserve bankrupt
I would actully like Nexon to take over iToS
>>342751553
I think they're making "Ragnarok 2" for the third time, now a mobile game.
>>342735748
Hell, even maplestory has more team related stuff instead only singleplayer stuff and that is much saying right now.
>>342748523
BnS, TOR, and TESO aren't even on the map anymore.
>>342751380
Wow feels like a Korean knock-off MMO by comparison, which makes sense I guess as its what they were knocking off. Everything is ugly and the systems, UI and quest structure feel so unpolished. There's no sense of immersion, every quest is "Kill/collect [X]" for [Y] NPC you talk to once. Dungeons/Raids were easy, barely on the same level of the complexity, party composition, strategy/planning and management, etc. as a basic exp party in FFXI. Everything dies in 10 seconds, even named monsters are a joke and offer littl;e/no challenge if you're not alone, you auto-heal after every fight, aggro lasts for all of 30 feet and then they fuck off, I could go on.
>>342751502
and it's more successful than FF11 and a better game too.
>>342751409
FFXI has a great world and story. Better than most of the actual mainline FF games. Quests aren't told to you with a single paragraph of text, you have actual cutscenes and NPCs with personality beyond that of a cardboard cut-out.
>>342751991
FFXI is SE's most profitable game ever, so that's not even close to being true. It's over 14 years old and is still collecting sub fees.
Mabinogi, bitch.
>>342751252
If that was true it would of held better numbers.
FFXI was fun at the time but was got destroyed by the superior game. Like FF14, it only had a playerbase cause of the FFpaint. Remove the final fantasy theme and none would of player 11 or 14. Brand loyalty is a thing.
>>342749708
No trading without a token at all and even with a token you could trade only 30 times a month. That was stupid as hell, it even prevented people from sharing potions and other stuff when partying. If this stupid restriction is not present, it's definetely a step in the right direction.
>>342752138
Wait a minute that symbol...
So talking about dead MMOs.
What happened with tibia?
>>342752176
>If that was true it would of held better numbers.
CoD confirmed for best shooter ever :^)
Black Desert is the only good MMO right now.
>>342752210
>tfw i had to refuse trading with friends because near trade limit
>>342751067
Who is this semen demon?
>>342752358
Black Desert is literally a barren desert right now. Only PVP NEETS still play it.
>>342752176
>remove the final fantasy theme and nobody would play 11 or 14
I fucking wish, wowrefugees are the worst
>>342752165
Again, FFXI is SE's most profitable FF game ever. FFXIV having a higher peak subscription count doesn't automatically change that, FFXI has been collecting sub fees for a decade and a half while XIV floundered for a few years and had to be rebooted. It might overtake XI in a few years if it keeps its subscribers but again it has not made as much money as XI has.
>http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/06/24/the-most-profitable-final-fantasy-of-all-time-is
>>342752358
black desert isn't even better than what it's imitating
>>342744974
delivering from the source
HINT: Everyone who is petrified crashed and/or had their game freeze.
>>342735748
>while the latter is a clone of Tera.
But Blade and Soul came out before Tera.
>>342752725
Asian MMOs are all the same. So bad.
>>342752725
what happens when you have other players with you?
do you have to wait through the entire animation everytime you do that?
>>342752725
>Having to sit through that animation every time you want to use that spell
Fucking cancer
>>342752696
XIV doesn't have subs though, so XI is basically king forever.
>>342752696
>Again, FFXI is SE's most profitable FF game ever
no fucking way. i refuse to believe this. where are the numbers?
>>342735748
That's not black desert
>>342735748
It's a piece of shit game infested with piece of shit BRs and ERPers it's shit
>>342752889
It's a "Hold" skill. Only you are in the animation while your allies are free to wail on the enemies all they want.
>>342752924
see above. It's her only skill like that and it has a 20 minute cooldown
>>342752654
>tfw when wowrefugees don't know shit about party composition or roles and constantly fuck shit up by being terrible
>>342752931
this
>>342753056
>All those bots
>>342753046
ERP and hangouts with school costume IS end game content
Atleast it works
>>342752954
>Square Enix’s CEO Yoichi Wada told an audience at VanaFest 2012 (which celebrates Final Fantasy’s MMO foray) that “looking at profitability [for Square Enix], [Final Fantasy XI is at] the top of all past Final Fantasy games.”
No numbers in the interview but the CEO is flat-out stating it on-record, so that's solid enough proof. The game had been around for over a decade at the time this was published and has always required a $13/month sub fee from every player, still does now.
>>342753056
>look guys the main quest hub on one server has some bots
>>342753227
>>342753320
ayy lmao
>>342753414
>ayy lmao
wrong meme summerbummer
>>342753227
(you)
>>342752828
also for anyone caring: The korean players don't do the main quest, they just do the daily dungeons of 5 (3 on iTOS) every day until they reach a point where you can grind due to faulty fuckups.
>>342743374
FFXI is almost as much a shell of its former self as all the old RO private servers are. Anyone woh goes back to XI will just feel depressed as most of the population and by extension all but 3-10 zones in the game are completely empty, its just damn sad anon. Specially for those poor souls who arent on one of the 3 servers with an actual population
>>342753056
>leave the city
>The game is completely empty
Don't fucking lie and say it isn't either. I played that game for over a year.
>>342753298
>>2012 quote
I need current numbers anon.
I honestly don't understand how ffxiv is as popular as it is. When I played the beta I was bored to death. I didn't even make it to lvl 20.
But it's an mmo with a box price and sub fee yet it's still doing well. I don't get it. It can't just be the final fantasy name, TOR wasn't saved by it's brand afterall. ffxiv fags pls explain yourselves.
>>342753056
Gonna assume that's Balmung or a Legacy server.
I transfer to Excaliber myself. While the numbers are lower, I'm having more fun as 80% of the people here are not folks that just RP, then attempt to play end game and bitch on how everything needs a nerf.
Looking at you, anit-Ozma fuckers.
>>342753556
But that is literally every MMO. Nobody cares to explore because there is no point. Guild Wars 2 tried to change this but still failed. MMOs are a shitty genre.
>>342753056
>>342753556
dead game
>>342753715
That's why patrician mmos follow an instanced dungeon format
>>342753687
>I honestly don't understand how ffxiv is as popular as it is.
Because it isn't
>When I played the beta I was bored to death. I didn't even make it to lvl 20.
Because it's shit.
>But it's an mmo with a box price and sub fee yet it's still doing well. I don't get it.
Because it isn't.
>ffxiv fags pls explain yourselves.
They can't.
>>342753540
I fucking hate private servers with such an angst
>okay so we have this perfect opportunity to remake what we loved
>lets make 5000 different variations with 30 on each of them
>but if there's only one server lets make sure its the shittiest it could possibly be (I'm looking at you, playtrickster you fucking chink jews)
>>342753556
Because most of the game doesn't have a part to play with the maps unless it's for grinding levels. Even then there's only a few places good for that. That's where you'll sometimes find a big group of people going back and forth.
The rest are spamming dungeons or crafting.
>>342752828
>FPS 0.21
Every fucking timeI still having some hopes on this, pls IMC move your ass
>>342753556
I see a shit ton of people outside doing FATEs for leveling or relic on my server, also hunts are a big deal.
>>342753831
Yup. Games like Vindictus, Phantasy Star and Warframe are all better than any traditional MMO. They cut the majority of the crap and go directly into the good stuff which is grinding and social aspects. Lets be honest thats why anyone play MMOs.
>>342754087
This guy gets it
>>342753998
Nexon might have done something, IMC? never.
>>342753715
The problem FFXIV has is that it's got a shiny coat of paint, but underneath is the most boring and generic experience ever fucking conceived. Not only is it a generic themepark MMO with slow and uninteresting combat, but the main story quest is REQUIRED to actually progress. The endgame grind is horribly bland and generic and generally just revolves around spending a couple months logging in to do roulettes and then idling. You queue up into your dungeons, nobody fucking talks it's like you're running with fucking NPCs. You go out into the world and generally you run into either people gathering (often bots) and occasionally if you go to the right spot you see people fate grinding, but 90% of the game outside of the cities is fucking empty.
Some of the content looks cool/flashy but there is very little depth to most of the mechanics, even at the highest level. It can look really nice from the outside but once you get into it, it ends up feeling like most of the game is an obligation you need to fulfill because you're paying a fucking monthly sub. And then you go back to idling and circlejerking with your FC (the only people that ever even want to bother holding a conversation) and shitposting in the cancerous general.
Yes, FFXIVs problems are problems that tons of MMOs have. But FFXIV has all those problems. It's like a blend of every generic and bland element of MMOs rolled up into one.
>>342753865
Atleast for RO it wasnt a bad deal, vanilla RO was shit, if only because we got updates months after kro got them, not to mention the stability was garbage for awhile. But after 10+ yrs, its really just an excuse to cashgrab for alot of them.
>>342754260
Is that game still active? I never got to play it because region block.
>>342753998
here's the fps a second later
>>342754087
>warframe
>good
Oh yeah I fucking love that grindwall and wait-or-paywall, game of the year 10/10 its like farmville but with more waiting
>>342753687
1.) A lot of fan service to older FF games, which many fans of FF enjoy.
2.) Every three months there's a decent patch/update, with every 1.5 months there's a minor one with surprises sometimes within them.
3.) Most, if not all, promises they've stated about the game have come true. Which is a big thing, when people like guild wars 2 went through so many changes before being released, along with lying a fair bit. . .and you have control of most end game stuff due to being able to BUY GOLD on the market.
I myself loved FF14 and have been with it since the beta. It has pros and cons, but it's been chill to play with friends and hang out while playing the game.
>>342753831
>>342754087
>>342754260
No fuck you. This is the exact opposite of the truth. Why even call it an MMO if all it has is a lobby and fucking instanced dungeons. Old MMOs used to be fucking open world with almost no instances and you had to actually fucking interact and do shit with other people to get anything done. Which is the whole fucking point.
FFXIV's problem isn't that it has a world to explore, it's that they don't give you a point to do it.
