>"Since this is taking place within the greater Mario world, we wanted to focus as much as possible on the familiar Mario characters. As you mentioned before, when you're limited, that tends to bring out greater creativity."
>"We had to think a lot about, 'Alright, if it's all Toads, how do we make them distinctive? How do we give them personality?'
>"One we thing we decided was that the basic Toad is red, and then if they have something different about them, we'll change the color. And a lot of the personality comes out in the text. You can also use the fact that they all look alike as the basis for jokes. We're really trying to focus on using all these Toads, and other familiar characters, and still creating great variety and keeping things interesting."
Thoughts?
Its pretty fucking stupid. If you're giving the toads unique dialouge, why not just go the extra mile and give them different outfits at least?
Good. It's for the best. Nintendo cannot be trusted to invent new characters.
Giving them each their own personalities is stupid, since you still can't tell them apart. Laziness pure and simple.
>>342506783
>the setting is basically Delfino Island
>but there aren't any Piantas whatsoever, just red Toads
>even Toadsworth has been replaced by a red Toad
I want someone to die.
>We purposely made them identical, as a joke
>>342507060
When has that ever been an issue?
>>342508859
Gamers are nothing but children and manchildren.
Do you really expect most of them to know what Watergate is?
>>342506783
Nintendo is the only joke
>>342506783
Why not Piantas?
Why not Nokis?
Why not Yoshis?
Why not Bob-Omb Buddies?
Toads are not the only "good guy" NPCs for fuck's sake.
>>342509813
This.
They don't even need to be OCs, just more races besides fucking toads would make this game much better.
this shit only works in Japan where everybody speaks different from each other, and it's not like another accent or dialect, it's the same language just with small but noticeable differences
That's a crafty way of saying you were too lazy to make different character sprites.
>>342506783
Whatever
Just put Rosalina in either Paper Mario or M&L already, the Koopalings and Bowser Jr. have already been in both
>>342509179
>"Journalists" are nothing but children and manchildren
Fixed for ya
>>342509179
I know what Watergate is, and I'm 28. Any one in the US who has gotten through 8th grade Social Studies should know what it is.
>>342508859
Except it has nothing to do with wiretapping or politics, but it's specifically mentioned it's about "five guys"
>>342506783
>"when you're limited, that tends to bring out greater creativity."
>"if they have something different about them, we'll change the color."
so creative
IT'S ALL TOADS DOWN HERE!
>>342511069
Are you retarded? Check wikipedia, watergate had 5 main guys as well.
>>342506783
>You can also use the fact that they all look alike as the basis for jokes.
That's been done to death already, and is not appreciated.
I would be fine with uninspiring Toads if there was at least more than Toads in the world. What about those weird flower people from the first 2 Paper Mario games?
Boring and lazy. Ruins the point of a fucking RPG.
>>342511537
>from the first 2 Paper Mario games?
Miyamoto's stance was that he only wanted them to use characters that made their debut in mainline Mario games
So characters like >>342509813 would be what they have to choose from (and a few others like Lumas)
>>342511692
But Paper Mario is an Action Adventure series.
>>342511692
They've made it a point to start calling the Paper Mario games "Action/Adventure" in the Direct that revealed this game and in the interview they had with GameXplain
>>342511356
Paper Mario has "everyone is a toad, LOL" and Mario and Luigi has "everyone puts Luigi on suicide watch"
>every NPC looks the same but with some recolours
No other developer could get away with doing this in an RPG.
>>342511931
So having these guys would be a no no.
>>342512268
Monolith Soft does
Any given scene will have about 3-4 of the same NPC
I've always hated Toad since Mario Kart 64
Fucking cheater.
>>342512123
M&L has everyone is a Toad as well after Paper Jam.
>>342512531
I had heard that Paper Jam only had Toads to show more character interaction. The next game will probably have something like Bean people again.
>>342512531
Speaking of, how is PJ?
Is it as Toad-infected as PM, or are there actually interesting characters?
>>342512385
Literally everyone hates Toad
They only put him in as a fuck you to the audience for not accepting him
>>342512531
Nabbit, Starlow.
>>342512816
Bowser Jr. gets actual character development, and the Koopalings actually talk proper for the first time, and you see how they are with each other and the other characters.
>>342512816
It is Toad infected like Sticker Star, also it has basically no story, no new characters and NSMB areas only.
Its only saving grace is the combat.
>>342511069
So did Watergate, and ever fucking scandal since then has been called "X-gate", the whole Bengzahi thing was Bengzahi-gate, and Hilary's e-mails is e-mail-gate.
>>342512816
Other than Starlow, there are no new characters. They're all taken from mainline Mario games.
Bowser's Elite Trio are absent and even the head Lakitu just goes by the name "Lakitu."
>>342512825
To be fair, I liked Toad from smb2 when I was a kid so maybe he's still popular to them. He is rather grating for me personally now though.
>>342513002
>Nabbit
He debuted in NSMB, I'm positive he'll make an appearance in Paper Mario some day
>Starlow
Sticker Star had Kersti and Color Splash has the Paint Bucket, the NPC Guide characters really seem to be the only exceptions.
>>342507060
>Nintendo cannot be trusted to invent new characters.
Are you kidding? Weeb-pandering aside, major new characters they make usually has legitimate charm to them.
It's their lack of interest in this and more in questionable game-design choices that have been more annoying lately.
>>342513104
>>342513030
How's the game in terms of content? I've only played PiT and I remember it being barebones and linear
>>342513104
starlow has been with M&L since BIS, she's not a new character.
>>342513393
She's also garbage
>>342513393
"new" was the wrong word
I meant "original" characters that were created outside of the main Mario games
>>342506783
Doesn't matter how unique their dialogue is, they will never be memorable like characters from the first 3 Paper Mario games because they're all fucking toads.
>>342506783
It is just the way the world works. The Mario Universe is a post apocalypic setting where the Mushlim invasion has consumed the world. When someone opposes or threatens them they look to their prophet Mariohammed to stomp the infidels into submission.
Just look at the Beanbean Kingdom, the Toads there did not assimilate, they created a Mushlim colony where they could pratctice their own culture instead of bean culture. Parallel societies, then consumption.
>>342506783
>this drawn out excuse for being FUCKING LAAAZY
>>342513502
Not arguing with that.
>>342513545
Ah, carry on then.
>>342506783
>'Alright, if it's all Toads...
>if it's
>if
fucking hell, spooked the shit out of me OP. Don't do that
>>342513315
>even the dragon in the Color Trash footage isn't an original character, it's from Captain Toad
Pretty sure that only EAD is allowed to create new Mario character now, and everyone else must use their scraps.
RIP Mario RPGs, victims of the moronic decisions of Miyamoto and the rest of Neotendo.
>>342511692
>Fortunately we have a product for people who want an RPG and its called Mario & Luigi
>>342513373
Not good, the game is padded with Toad hunts and other minigames.
Really, buy it only if you value good combat and challenging bosses over literally everything else.
>>342506783
If they're so dead-set on never creating new characters, why don't they ever use Waluigi, Daisy, or Wario in any of these games?
They treat it like it's Coca Cola and Pepsi, while it's more like hot dogs and hamburgers.
>>342513802
What about sunshine and 64? Sure they can still use bob-omb buddies and piantas, right?
Or are you telling me that those are "too old" and "not actual mario anymore"?
>>342514269
No, everything pre-NSMB might as well not exists.
>>342514339
why
>>342514339
I don't know if I should laugh or cry.
>Make Paper Boos and Pokeys look more like the main series designs.
>They look like complete shit now.
At least Dry Bones was an improvement.
>>342514339
Holy shit it's worse than I thought.
>there will never be another paper mario game with a funny, well written, dialogue heavy story ever again
>there will never be another paper mario game with partners all with different personalities ever again
>there will never be another paper mario game with partners all with different skills/abilities ever again
Don't say a word. Just post your face when.
>>342514339
Jesus christ, I didn't know Sticker Star was THAT bad
>>342514782
>>342514782
>>342514339
This is fucking depressing.
I hope CS bombs and we get old PM back. At least make a TTYD HD and watch it blow CS sales out of the water.
>>342514782
>>342514782
>>342514782
>>342515345
They can't do that, because then Miyamoto and Tabata will realize they're both wrong, and that's a big no-no.
>>342515315
Does she not see how much of a narcissist she is for assuming this is even talking about her? Does she honestly think that she is now more infamous and well-known than Watergate> Oh shit, DOES SHE NOT KNOW WHAT WATERGATE IS?
Okay, what the fuck.
Why the fuck did Mario become so fucking bland and generic? Up until late Wii-era they were making all kinds of creative characters and stuff so wtf happened?
>>342514782
Super Sanic the Carne Asada
What
>>342514782
>>342515315
>>342515850
Because Nintendo executives are hyper-conservatives that actively despise and fear innovation. For all their talk about innovation if you view their practices you'll see that they're actually extremely cautious as a company and steadfastly refuse to take risks. They never seek new audiences, they're never willing to redefine their iconic characters, they refuse to adapt to the market and insists they should make the market adapt to them, etc. etc.
Paper Mario is one of the few instances of a lower-rung developer getting to have fun with the IP and make it his own baby, and Sticker Star onwards was the Nintendo bigwigs deciding "this has strayed too far from what we think Mario should be, let's reel it back in and remarket it towards our preferred audience."
>>342515850
It all started tumbling down with NSMB. Nintendo saw that it sold like hotcakes, and decided that that was what people wanted. No original characters, just rehash the same shit over and over to be as safe as possible.
>>342515850
Success of NSMB showed that they don't need effort to sell. Now they can just shove the same blandness and still make money.
>>342515850
Miyamoto is getting old and out of touch. That's literally it.
Look at Breath of the Wild. I don't think it's a coincidence that it's both the best looking Zelda in ages as well as the only console Zelda Miyamoto hasn't had a hand in at least twenty years.
>>342515850
NSMB sold 100 millions copies.
You only have yourself to blame.
>>342515315
What? What the fuck is this feminist cunt bitching about.
>>342516349
>I am now responsible for the actions of a hundred million other people
THEN WHERE'S MY BIG MAYOR HAT AND SASH, HUH FAGGOT?
I never purchased NSMB since I would only play it once in a blue moon when I could get all my friends in one room, nor did I purchase any game I had no interest in. I vote with my wallet, but it doesn't matter when everyone else is retarded.
>>342514339
You can cut off half the SPM list since it's all those awful geometric shape people
Honestly rather have toads than them.
>>342516695
half that list is still ten times larger than sticker star
>>342516695
>implying toads are better than actual characters
>>342516695
I liked them. They still had unique characters, and the designs weren't awful. The game started off telling you that you're in an alternate dimension, so if you expected regular Mario designs anyway, you're pretty dumb.
>>342516302
fuck I forgot how hard shygirls made me
Toad and Toad at the Toadthousand and sixteen Toadlympics
>>342512097
ITS NOT A FUCKING ACTION GAME IF YOU KEEP GIVING IT TURN BASED COMBAT YOU STUPID FUCKS
If you have any questions just look at this
>tfw I wouldn't mind Super's cast returning at this point
>>342515315
Nintendo actually released an official statement about this and said that it was just a coincidence
Quinn doesn't believe them and cites Alison Rapp getting fired as evidence
>>342517265
They were fun characters. What was wrong with them?
>>342517120
I like how this keeps getting bigger with every new fuckup.
>>342517120
>tries to pretend all the toads in SS are unique
>they aren't
>still goes and pretends the Toads in CS are unique too
>when the first named Toad you meet is literally called "Toad #1"
I think this bitch is just afraid she won't be able to make something as good as the first two if she actually TRIED, so she'd rather not try at all and make a shit game instead
>>342506783
Paper Mario is the only place where I support diversity.
>The next Paper Mario game
>Bowser is replaced by a Toad with a green and orange cap.
>>342517279
As if Alison Rapp getting fired was a GG related incident. She was a LITERAL PROSTITUTE. Why would Nintendo, a family company, keep someone like that on payroll?
>>342517279
Did Quinn forget how Allison was moonlighting as a fucking whore?
>>342514782
>>342517390
Indeed they are. I'd just like to have new characters, but SPM's again is certainly better than a hundred Toads again.
>>342517390
Most people (including Miyamoto) didn't like their generic gemotric-shaped designs
It's like love
It's like romance
>>342508859
Kotaku and that profesionnal panhandling whore are the only one that think so. Klepek did his usual schtick of getting a clickbait article immediatly
>>342517546
If it's all part of a self-aware joke this whole dilemma was intentionally leading towards, I'd legitimately laugh my dick off.
>>342517565
Literally nothing wrong with that. Teach me how being sexual is immoral. I need to learn.
>>342517901
>The Five Guys thing
why do people like you never read the thread
>>342508859
Expect Quinn to go into such lunacy that she actually attempts to sue Nintendo.
It'll backfire beautifully
Alright, let's talk about Toads specifically.
Honestly? I really like them. Toads never really did a lot in the original games, and it's nice to see them taking a sort of everyman role in the wonderful new direction Color Splash is going into.
As we've seen from the demo, there are a wide variety of toads you come across. Con men, helpful bystanders, things like that. Honestly, I felt more of a connection to the toad in the Mansion in SS than I did with any other toad in the series so far.
>>342517686
Instead he prefers generic Toads? There was nothing generic about the SPM designs. If anything, they were too ambitious. Simple doesn't mean generic.
>>342517901
how old are you anon?
>>342517967
When such a thing goes against your job with Nintendo, and you know it would get you fired, then yes, it's wrong.
>>342517901
see
>>342511226
>>342513069
>>342518116
There's an update on that >>342517120
>>342518097
seek help
>>342518097
>>342512385
>I'm the best!
He did warn you, Anon
>>342518097
This is getting stale.
The only good thing to come out of this is that Ninty said they weren't against the idea of bringing back old Paper Mario games in HD.
>>342518097
>I wanna become a barneyfag 2.0 /v/ eceleb plz pay attention to me
every thread
>>342515775
>Does she not see how much of a narcissist she is for assuming this is even talking about her? Does she honestly think that she is now more infamous and well-known than Watergate
They're all like that.
>Narcissistic personality disorder is a mental disorder in which people have an inflated sense of their own importance, a deep need for admiration and a lack of empathy for others. But behind this mask of ultraconfidence lies a fragile self-esteem that's vulnerable to the slightest criticism.
>>342518097
At this point, you are either delusional or an actual paid shill
>>342508859
>Five Guys
>>342517120
>Miyamoto doesnt actually like Toads
Why doesnt this old fart flip some fucking tables then and tell them to stop shoving Toads everywhere
>>342517546
>paper mario after that
>Toad with green and orange cap is replaced by Toad with a red cap
>>342518437
>toads replace everything
>toads replace peach, even mario
>Paper Toad: The toadening
>>342518097
You know you're giving Barneyfag a run for his money
>>342518336
They won't do it.
Expect Sticker Star 3 on NX 5 years from now however.
>>342517120
Why do they feel the need to innovate on the paper themes? It was only supposed to be a design choice. The characters aren't aware they're made of paper and the world doesn't act like it's made of paper because it isn't. It's a retelling of a story that said to have actually happened in the universe, just through a story book.
I fucking hate that everyone makes paper jokes and references now. It makes the writers fall back on those gags as jokes and writing instead of actually trying to make something good. It pisses me off so fucking much.
>>342506783
>As you mentioned before, when you're limited, that tends to bring out greater creativity."
Not when you're intentionally hamstringing yourself to not work outside of an extremely specific set.
There's a difference from making up a bunch of different Toads and giving them different colors and clothes, and then working with the same sprite, giving them different dialogue and then calling it a day.
I could make a bunch of characters for a story, but if I have to give everyone the same name, it's going to be kind of hard to follow, and kind of fucking boring.
This is just a lame excuse AND it's these chucklefucks patting themselves on the back at the same time!
Fuck everything about this.
>>342518479
>very prominent
top kek
you people are delusional
>>342518097
>>342518479
Gamergate IS extremely important, except it's dead, but not when i need money, then it's incredibly strong, etc etc
>>342518350
>moviebob admitting he's a fucking blobman
>>342518097
You do NOT rewrite history using a Bowser image, you massive faggot.
Toads have been doing shit since Day One. I'm talking Super Mario RPG. Toads were the townspeople, and even Square did the "all Toads look alike" joke better with Yaridovich. Paper Mario even expanded the roles by cooking items, going into a shop's storeroom, etc. All the while, the Toads looked different enough. Different heights, colors, facial features, and it was great. In fact, Paper Mario even gave them different body structures and inverted the primary and secondary colors, and again, it worked splendidly.
So to suddenly have this mass of generic shits is not only illogical and less helpful in terms of gameplay and layout, but it is also unappealing.
>>342512097
Then why not just make another fucking Mario game? Or shit, cut out the RPG portion, and just make it a fucking platformer and make it apart of the Super Paper Mario series.?
>>342518409
>tell them to stop shoving Toads everywhere
Because It's Tanabe you should tell to, not Miyamoto.
>>342518479
>very prominent
Everyone dropped Zoey after they found real tangible evidence of gaming sites not giving proper scores and selling out to their friends. It had fucking nothing to do with her after the first month.
All she tried to do was garner herself more attention. I know there's the meme of "ACTUALLY IT'S ABOUT INTEGRITY IN GAMING JOURNALISM", but it literally fucking was.
I guess it can be forgiven since the opening cutscene establishes that the goal is to save the Toads that are being drained of their color on their island. Still really lame of them to rehash SS's premise. I hope that all the bosses aren't just the Koopalings, that would really piss me off
>>342506783
Its just a throwaway excuse for miyamotos autism and not allowing them to design unique characters
>>342518639
Funny that TTYD actually has Mario using paper like abilities like turning into a paper plane or boat while SS and CS do jack shit besides "haha look were paper! lulz!"
>>342517901
>Five
dude stop focusing on the five,
'fun guy"
>funguy
>Fungai
>fungi
this is literally BASIC tier mushroom pun here!.
of course the sjws saw it as an attack on them, they only see things in one of two ways, 'it's either acknowledging my demands,' or 'it's attacking mah opinions' if it isn't 'about' them, they forget it exists, or figure out some way to spin it to be about them.
>no one made a paper luigi game based on TTYD
criminal
>>342519164
SJW are also fungi
You know what. Toads are fine. Toads being the only supporting species is fine. Mario RPG had the majority of NPC's be toad, as did PM64
But WHY DO THEY ALL LOOK THE SAME? WHY ARE THEY NOT ALLOWED TO LOOK UNIQUE? WHY CAN'T THEY HAVE FACIAL HAIR OR HAIR ECT
Speaking of, wtf ever happened to Toadswort
>>342519052
>I know there's the meme of "ACTUALLY IT'S ABOUT INTEGRITY IN GAMING JOURNALISM", but it literally fucking was.
This is laughably wrong, but the Five Guys thing is a direct reference to Zoe Quinn, so regardless, that doesn't change the situation.
>>342519164
So there's a fungi pun on top of the gamergate reference? Ok.
>>342511226
Yes. And it probably is about watergate. But watergate is synonymous with 5guys, it iust happened to be five guys. The gamergate thing revilved arouns the idea of 5 guys
>>342518437
>next game is Paper Captain Toad: Toadventures in Toad Town
>you of course play as Captain Toad
>all NPCs are red toads
>world is littered with toad statues, toad-esque architecture, shrubs cut in the shape of toad, toadstools with toad-like proportions, etc
>all enemies are red toads with various weapons and abilities
>final boss is a red toad
>menu buttons are toads with words written on their caps
>controller is a special toad amiibo with buttons
>if you zoom in close enough every texture is just toads of different colors tightly packed together into various patterns
>even the toads are just made of smaller toads
>toad town itself is built on the head of a giant toad
>it's toads all the way down
>>342517120
Daily reminder to read this if you still treat Miyamoto as your boogeyman.
>>342513845
underrated
>>342519162
In TTYD it was different since the characters were not aware they were made of paper, the paper abilities were curses, and the box mocks them for them being "paper".
It wasn't as self aware as it became in SS and CS because of lack of good writers.
>>342519271
There is someone writing a webcomic about it
>>342518842
Nowadays proposing the idea of an evil or fake Toad at Nintendo would make you go the way of Gunpei Yokoi
>>342519317
hey Mushrooms don't deserve to be lumped in with them. mushrooms at least feed on shit to make use of it, Sjws just produce more shit without adding anything.
>>342508859
GamerGate is a literal trigger now.
You can't name anything close to it without triggering awful flashbacks to it's victims.
>>342519487
Youre right. My bad.
>>342519087
of course the koopa kids are bosses, but now theyre paper! Dont you like innovation?
>>342519341
>Wrong: The Post
>>342519339
Not generic enough, so he was killed off.
He wasn't even in Paper Jam.
>>342519162
The joke of that is that he's being cursed and has no idea what's happening to him or why. It's obvious to the player because we see he's made of paper, but neither he nor any of the characters know that.
In the Puni tree segment when you're in jail and slip out of the bars, every other character says "Woah, how'd you do that?". Then you have to go get the key because none of the other characters were cursed and therefore can't turn sideways. If it were in SS or CS, you'd slip through the bars and the characters would say "OH RIGHT LMAO WE SURE ARE PAPER HAHAHAHA!".
>>342519341
The five toads part was done by Japanese developers who probably never heard of the controversy to begin with
>>342508859
>IT'S GAMERGATE
>IT'S WATERGATE
It's neither
>>342511106
underrated
>>342519469
Time to fix that.
Send e-mails to Nintendo, wreck their social media efforts on bullshit things, and panic every damn stock trading site about the company's management.
>>342519339
because it's an excuse to hide lack of ideas. they have no idea or inspiration what to do anymore because year after year they have to keep making another one no matter what.
giving up and just using toads frees them to not need to design a ton of NPC's so they can just paste them in as they are needed. they don't try because they won't get respite either way. by just phoning it in it becomes an obligation they do to earn their salary and they can devote their passion to other ideas.
>>342519918
Make cringe things with 0 chance of working, basically.
>>342514124
Miyamoto is actually senile
>>342519689
>The five toads part was done by Japanese developers who probably never heard of the controversy to begin with
This. Japan doesn't care about our social political nonsense. If we involve them, then sure, and if they localise a game then yeah they change a bunch of shit out of fear. Otherwise it isn't part of their life at all.
>>342506783
I know seeing a series you love get shat on shouldn't hurt this much
I know I have no rights to their IP and can't say don't do this
I know they are just trying to take the series in a new direction and aren't being purposefully bad at game design
But fuck this shit
The first two paper mario games were probably the most charming games I have ever played. They felt truly unique and had such loving care put into them. The companions made the game so incredibly vibrant and humorous in a simple childlike way. These new games just look and feel devoid of what made the first 2 special
Please just let it die nintendo
Please
>>342514339
As long as everything miyamoto touches continues to bomb this trend cant last long
>>342514782
Ivo the Edgehog.
>>342519341
it's JUST a fungi pun and watergate joke because there are five of them. watergate exposed is the name of a watergate scandal website.
you have become as bad as the very thing you think you are fighting, so short sighted you can only assume things must mean the most recent scandalous thing, because 'you' and your experiences somehow are center to all references.
>>342520043
That's exactly what this whole imageboard shit is, moron!
If they haven't "listened to the consumer" by now, then we have to be more direct and quantifiable.
>>342518479
>literally has a line of dialogue called whatevergate: exposed, just like the fucking watergate: exposed book.
>has a play on the words fun/fungi
Fuck off, it's clearly a Watergate reference you fucking retard.
>Mobile took all of the casual audience
>Censorship drove away the weeaboos who used to suck Nintendo's cock
>Now whorebag thinking the scene is a GG reference and Repp being fired drove away SJWs
Who is Nintendo's audience at this point?
>>342506783
I think it works best to fill the world with lots of different types of Mario creatures with unique twinges thrown in, like the first Paper Mario. The Thousand-Year-Door went further with the completely original stuff, and Super Paper Mario went really overboard with it, so I get Miyamoto's direction to stick more closely to the established Mario world elements. But the Sticker Star team went way too far with the lack of imagination and didn't use the Mario world to its potential at all. Paper Mario just doesn't work without the original creative team.
>>342520364
>it's JUST a fungi pun
Also, I think 5 people broke into the hotel that night. Or something like that. I might be wrong.
>>342520543
Drones who have no standards
>>342520140
He belongs in a home. They should give him a pen and paper for him to write down all his new ideas for games, and then throw them all in the paper shredder so they never see the light of day.
His last IP was fucking Pikmin fifteen years ago. His newest original game that he wanted to turn into a new IP had a Star Fox skin slapped on it and was just bundled with the new Star Fox game as a shitty hour long distraction you could probably remake in Unity in under a month.
>>342519689
>>342520267
Wasn't it said somewhere that these games in original Japanese actually have very generic matter of fact scripts, and the 'witty' aspects of the script both good and bad come from the localizers more than the source?
>>342514782
>>342518479
>We, Zoe Quinn and Phil Fish, are the most important people in videogames, and the most important people in the world, even more important the President of the United States.
Please stop.
>>342520327
Well he wasn't involved in the NX and the new Zelda so that's a start.
We also got rid of Iwata and his gimmicks, so as long as someone murders Tanabe and Sakamoto Nintendo might be good again.
The main issue is that miyamoto is afraid of "muh bowser" not having all the screentime, and also that all goombas and koopas must be evil.
When TTYD hit he probably told them to fuck off, which is why SPM had goombas and koopas evil, but they made bowser a protagonist instead of the villain (which happened before in SMRPG). That was the last straw for him.
Admit it after bowser jr, Miyamoto just has a huge boner for bowser, for him, bowser is the ultimate villain and peach is a dumb bimbo that eats cake.
Tanabe is just too much of an idiot that can't stop sucking miyamoto's dick
>>342520543
Drones who are okay with all that + 1 game a year
>>342519647
That second scenario literally happens in Paper Jam
Since PM got a handheld game, can we please just get a console M&L game? I wouldn't even mind if it was all 3D graphics, Alphadream can do 3D well and it would be great to see what they can do with an HD game
>>342521345
The 3D was actually outsourced, they excell at making sprites
>>342520543
Warlocks.
>>342520838
Yes. It was noa's gag
>game comes out
>few months pass
>"guys remember that hilarious line from this guy?"
>tfw Dream Team will be the last Mario RPG with a creative setting, original characters and a story different from "Bowser kidnaps Peach"
It didn't have to end like this.
>>342519341
>“As many have observed, when viewed in its entirety the Nintendo Treehouse: Live segment for Paper Mario: Color Splash from E3 includes two jokes separated by commentary and gameplay that have no relation to each other,” Nintendo noted in its statement. “One joke has to do with Watergate, while the other is a nod to the Fungi Fun Guys from Mario Party 8. It was brought to our attention today that these two jokes have been spliced together and misconstrued as a crude reference to an online hate campaign.”
http://venturebeat.com/2016/06/23/nintendo-insists-that-paper-mario-color-splash-joke-wasnt-about-gamergate/
>>342520704
Miyamoto isn't actually causing this shit, he's just used as a public shield. Nintendo don't let miyamoto leave because of normal Japanese business 'loyalty' guilt and not wanting anyone else to 'have' him. if miyamoto fully left Nintendo every other game studio in the world would throw money whores, coke, and everything under the planet to get him just 'once' on something. they pay him and keep the Japanese guilt on him so he doesn't leave, because once he leaves Nintendo's mystique is gone, he's too big an icon to gaming culture for Nintendo as a brand to survive unchanged when he leaves.
>>342520993
I have such conflicting emotions when I think of Iwata. I loved the guy's charm and personality so much, but deep down I know the company is better off without him in charge.
I really hope the NX has no gimmicks. I trust Kimmy so far, and that will solidify in my mind that he's a good president.
>>342520140
He's senile, out of touch, and probably genuinely autistic. The man needs to be put away.
Reminder that Sticker Star is the best selling Paper Mario game, you only have yourselves to blame for this
>>342511931
Miyamoto really needs to die already
Why couldn't it have been him instead of Iwata
I wouldn't be surprised if he throws a fit about Breath of the Wild being too different and gets chunks of it changed before release
>>342521706
Don't feel that bad Anon even Iwata knew he wasn't doing a good job with the Western market.
He would have understand
>>342521814
super paper Mario sold more and both have much lower attach rates compared to their predecessors.
>>342514782
>mfw I get Coldsteel The Hedgeheg with my name
>>342521050
I think it's just general company formula logic. hell or high water they make these games every single time, and they have to follow the formula because the formula is important so says the people who decide the funds.
you can onyl come up with so many ideas, eventually you start running on fumes and if 905 of what you do has to be sifted through the formula anyway, eventually you just figure it's easier to just cut paste the ad lib parts of the formula.
>>342521814
Who keeps saying this? Super Paper Mario was the best selling Paper Mario.
>>342521961
Well to be fair to SPM at least the Wii install base was over 5x that of the consoles the previous games appeared on
>>342521719
Miyamoto is an old legendary figure of your business whose useless to the bottom line now, but too important as a commodity to let go 'ever' they keep him around so the company PR looks good,t hey don't actually let him do a damn thing other than occasionally say encouragement to the other staff.
>lets give them all different personalities
>but lets give you zero indication of their personality at a first glance
>whiny crybaby sjws won't buy the game because of a perceived jab at gamergate and zoe quinn
>paper mario fans won't buy the game because it's a garbage sticker star 2
>wii u is on its way out and will also hinder the game's sales
guys...if we fight hard enough we really might be able to save this series. we NEED a campaign for TTYD HD. we can DO THIS
>>342522495
>Treehouse
>Allowing a sexist joke to happen
>>342522396
because the top ones require the artist spend time drawing stuff, the bottom just require cut and paste commands.
Nintnedo's sucked every once of giving a shit about the project from IS, good or bad innovative or failure, flip or flop, they always have to make another one afterwords. just doign the bare minimum worth of work guarantees them the paycheck with the least amount of further soul crushing.
>>342522495
Maybe if you replaces "wildly sexist" (kek) with "really shitty", she (he?) would have a really really great point.
>>342522495
How about the two "jokes" aren't actually connected because they are said minutes from each other and aren't a direct reference to anything?
>>342521705
He has to be somewhat responsible for it. I know he can't always be the main driving force, but you can't say that he has no push or pull whatsoever. He's fucking Miyamoto.
I don't think it's a coincidence that Breath of the Wild and Pokemon SM, the only two games Miyamoto hasn't touched, are the best looking games Nintendo has lined up.
>there will never be a paper mario with a big booty shy girl partner
>>342522516
>TTYD HD
It already exists my friend
>>342522083
They could always hire new people with new ideas. From what I heard the person responsable for the story for the first games left during SPM or before SS
I would love, LOVE for someone to edit the "Too Many Cooks" spoof video with "Too Many Toads". I'd do it myself, if I could.
https://youtu.be/QrGrOK8oZG8
>>342522896
>lv 14
>only 15 BP
You're doing it wrong.
>>342522896
He's referring to >>342517120
>>342522871
When has Miyamoto ever touched pokemon?
And the new games look like the same shit as ever.
>>342522896
You don't understand. The point of having an official retail TTYD HD is to show Nintendo how much the old Paper Mario formula will out sell the new one.
>Votre visage quand Nintendo keeps shitting on the few fans they have left and end up with no fans at all.
reminder Wario and Waluigi were originally gonna be players 3 and 4 in NSMB Wii instead of the toads
>>342523110
That's my point. I didn't imply that he has ever touched Pokemon, but Pokemon is still largely the same as it has been for the past five years, which means it's good. Or, at the very least, better than whatever other trash Nintendo is shoveling out.
>>342522947
>That fro Toad
This and the Coral Pokey have been the only interesting Paper Mario fan characters I've seen
>>342522495
B, The SJWs at NoA would never make a sexist joke.
>>342522315
Japan invented the concept of "kicking upstairs" and that should have been applied to Miyamoto long ago
>>342523448
>>342522871
Not as much as you'd like to think. remember japan fosters a greater personal guilt to businessman to stay loyal to their company above all else. also take into account that miyamoto is Kojima level name drop x10000000 in gaming culture. he's the kind of name hiring him for one project, even if it tanks is a HUGE pr move for your company.
thus Nintendo as a company value 'keeping' him more than anything else. his last specific headed project effort was wii music,which tanked, and all the brands he created just run off their formula alone. you can't fire him it's Pr suicide, so you just keep paying his salary and make up harmless busywork jobs like 'advisement' of projects to keep him busy.
You want too badly for there to be a 'simple' single cause to the problems, one guy who when fired magically fixes things. that's sadly rarely how it is. nintendo's problems are all layers of layers of bad decisions over many years, bad efforts to innovate, bad multinational decisions etc.
>>342523553
Please, Pokemon is pathetically stale and the last few games were bad.
There's such things as good and bad innovations.
>>342523762
I'm pretty sure they've done exactly this to him already. there's no doubt he has massive 'respect' in the company, but I doubt he actually has much clout to 'force' any studio to actually change gears the way people think.
>>342523580
>coral pokey
You mean this one? I have a bunch of fan stuff I saved and there are other few pokey partners
>>342522947
that pink piranha plant is pretty cool
>>342523448
I'm glad to see people actually bitching about them lately. It used to be dicksucking across the board.
I fear nothing will actually change unless Nintendo fucks up something big, like Pokemon. Once they do that they'll either seriously consider changing their bullshit, or just flail around being retarded hoping the problem fixes itself.
>>342522569
Didn't that guy get the boot after paying off that journo to spread the gay reprogramimg rumor in Fates?
From what I understand Nintendo has been even careful hiring new people in the NA division due to recent events. In fact, I bet they're doing some serious combing through with the current staff post Fates localization disaster and Rapp.
>>342523801
Splatoon was proof, at least, that not all of Nintendo is completely out of touch.
>>342524329
What happened with the Fates localization?
>>342524329
He's still in the company
>>342524497
I don't pay attention to Fire Emblem that much but IIRC it was mostly changed dialouges and forced memes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jA6A-ySMHYI
>>342521686
Paper Jam was a crossover. I fully expect the next M&L to be more original
>>342524381
Nintendo's problem seems to be more likely stuck in the top end, the nameless suits who oversee the marketing/business aspects. these are the people who in Noa are most likely to hard line stick to the 'family friendly no matter what' angle, or the ones who won't 'let' a game deviate off formula. the actual people on the ground floor are probably still capable of great things, just not often allowed chance to experiment.
Now if only splatoon could have made the inkling shota's as marketable as the girls.
>>342511931
>Miyamoto's stance was that he only wanted them to use characters that made their debut in mainline Mario games
Thing is the main cast of Mario is already diverse enough to have a full world, Miyamoto didn't say anything about using Toads exclusively.
That was all Kudo and Tanabe.
I don't even think Miyamoto would even think of putting in just Toads.
Miyamoto has sort of been demoted in the sense that he just oversees projects now. He goes around to them and makes sure everything is going smoothly, making the occasional suggestion in game designs.
Problem is, for all the same PR and prestige reasons you listed, Miyamoto "suggests" you change something in the same way Al Capone "suggests" you stay out of town. Nobody wants to be the guy who brushes off Miyamoto.
>>342524329
>disaster
The Fates localization was shit but the games sold like hotcakes regardless, why should they care?
>>342524959
Shit, meant for >>342523801
>>342524959
>Miyamoto "suggests" you change something in the same way Al Capone "suggests" you stay out of town. Nobody wants to be the guy who brushes off Miyamoto.
Sometimes I wish Miyamoto was still making games rather than supervising. At the very least the underlings wouldn't take his word as absolute law.
>>342523997
>making another Boo waifu instead of just using the one we already have
Why
>>342524497
The touching mingame was cut down to be between married people onry, a;ll the swimsuits we're removed, usual Treehouse insert puns and rewrite bland people stuff.
What's really weird though his Fates is inconsistent as fuck with this stuff. swimsuits gone, Camelia unchanged (her boob collision Anime scene still here, she still references her breasts, the incest implication stays, paladin ass thong remains, etc. it's really uneven about it what it thinks it should be doing censor wise.
>>342524743
Jesus Christ
>>342509813
Haha, but those weren't in New Super Mario Bros, silly anon. Why would they add those?
>>342525284
also
your child is cucked forever, all of his relationships end in friendship
they can never marry
>>342525134
I actually thought it was the Boo waifu, used as throw back or something. If it's some "original" character they should just go with the one that was already there.
>>342525134
idk, people sure like to make a lot of female boos
