"It's all Toads"
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>"Since this is taking place within the greater Mario world, we wanted to focus as much as possible on the familiar Mario characters. As you mentioned before, when you're limited, that tends to bring out greater creativity."
>"We had to think a lot about, 'Alright, if it's all Toads, how do we make them distinctive? How do we give them personality?'
>"One we thing we decided was that the basic Toad is red, and then if they have something different about them, we'll change the color. And a lot of the personality comes out in the text. You can also use the fact that they all look alike as the basis for jokes. We're really trying to focus on using all these Toads, and other familiar characters, and still creating great variety and keeping things interesting."
Thoughts?
Its pretty fucking stupid. If you're giving the toads unique dialouge, why not just go the extra mile and give them different outfits at least?
Good. It's for the best. Nintendo cannot be trusted to invent new characters.
Giving them each their own personalities is stupid, since you still can't tell them apart. Laziness pure and simple.
>>342506783
>the setting is basically Delfino Island
>but there aren't any Piantas whatsoever, just red Toads
>even Toadsworth has been replaced by a red Toad
I want someone to die.
>We purposely made them identical, as a joke
>>342507060
When has that ever been an issue?
>>342508859
Gamers are nothing but children and manchildren.
Do you really expect most of them to know what Watergate is?
>>342506783
Nintendo is the only joke
>>342506783
Why not Piantas?
Why not Nokis?
Why not Yoshis?
Why not Bob-Omb Buddies?
Toads are not the only "good guy" NPCs for fuck's sake.
>>342509813
This.
They don't even need to be OCs, just more races besides fucking toads would make this game much better.
this shit only works in Japan where everybody speaks different from each other, and it's not like another accent or dialect, it's the same language just with small but noticeable differences
That's a crafty way of saying you were too lazy to make different character sprites.
>>342506783
Whatever
Just put Rosalina in either Paper Mario or M&L already, the Koopalings and Bowser Jr. have already been in both
>>342509179
>"Journalists" are nothing but children and manchildren
Fixed for ya
>>342509179
I know what Watergate is, and I'm 28. Any one in the US who has gotten through 8th grade Social Studies should know what it is.
>>342508859
Except it has nothing to do with wiretapping or politics, but it's specifically mentioned it's about "five guys"
>>342506783
>"when you're limited, that tends to bring out greater creativity."
>"if they have something different about them, we'll change the color."
so creative
IT'S ALL TOADS DOWN HERE!
>>342511069
Are you retarded? Check wikipedia, watergate had 5 main guys as well.
>>342506783
>You can also use the fact that they all look alike as the basis for jokes.
That's been done to death already, and is not appreciated.
I would be fine with uninspiring Toads if there was at least more than Toads in the world. What about those weird flower people from the first 2 Paper Mario games?
Boring and lazy. Ruins the point of a fucking RPG.
>>342511537
>from the first 2 Paper Mario games?
Miyamoto's stance was that he only wanted them to use characters that made their debut in mainline Mario games
So characters like >>342509813 would be what they have to choose from (and a few others like Lumas)
>>342511692
But Paper Mario is an Action Adventure series.
>>342511692
They've made it a point to start calling the Paper Mario games "Action/Adventure" in the Direct that revealed this game and in the interview they had with GameXplain
>>342511356
Paper Mario has "everyone is a toad, LOL" and Mario and Luigi has "everyone puts Luigi on suicide watch"
>every NPC looks the same but with some recolours
No other developer could get away with doing this in an RPG.
>>342511931
So having these guys would be a no no.
>>342512268
Monolith Soft does
Any given scene will have about 3-4 of the same NPC
I've always hated Toad since Mario Kart 64
Fucking cheater.
>>342512123
M&L has everyone is a Toad as well after Paper Jam.
>>342512531
I had heard that Paper Jam only had Toads to show more character interaction. The next game will probably have something like Bean people again.
>>342512531
Speaking of, how is PJ?
Is it as Toad-infected as PM, or are there actually interesting characters?
>>342512385
Literally everyone hates Toad
They only put him in as a fuck you to the audience for not accepting him
>>342512531
Nabbit, Starlow.
>>342512816
Bowser Jr. gets actual character development, and the Koopalings actually talk proper for the first time, and you see how they are with each other and the other characters.
>>342512816
It is Toad infected like Sticker Star, also it has basically no story, no new characters and NSMB areas only.
Its only saving grace is the combat.
>>342511069
So did Watergate, and ever fucking scandal since then has been called "X-gate", the whole Bengzahi thing was Bengzahi-gate, and Hilary's e-mails is e-mail-gate.
>>342512816
Other than Starlow, there are no new characters. They're all taken from mainline Mario games.
Bowser's Elite Trio are absent and even the head Lakitu just goes by the name "Lakitu."
>>342512825
To be fair, I liked Toad from smb2 when I was a kid so maybe he's still popular to them. He is rather grating for me personally now though.
>>342513002
>Nabbit
He debuted in NSMB, I'm positive he'll make an appearance in Paper Mario some day
>Starlow
Sticker Star had Kersti and Color Splash has the Paint Bucket, the NPC Guide characters really seem to be the only exceptions.
>>342507060
>Nintendo cannot be trusted to invent new characters.
Are you kidding? Weeb-pandering aside, major new characters they make usually has legitimate charm to them.
It's their lack of interest in this and more in questionable game-design choices that have been more annoying lately.
>>342513104
>>342513030
How's the game in terms of content? I've only played PiT and I remember it being barebones and linear
>>342513104
starlow has been with M&L since BIS, she's not a new character.
>>342513393
She's also garbage
>>342513393
"new" was the wrong word
I meant "original" characters that were created outside of the main Mario games
>>342506783
Doesn't matter how unique their dialogue is, they will never be memorable like characters from the first 3 Paper Mario games because they're all fucking toads.
>>342506783
It is just the way the world works. The Mario Universe is a post apocalypic setting where the Mushlim invasion has consumed the world. When someone opposes or threatens them they look to their prophet Mariohammed to stomp the infidels into submission.
Just look at the Beanbean Kingdom, the Toads there did not assimilate, they created a Mushlim colony where they could pratctice their own culture instead of bean culture. Parallel societies, then consumption.
>>342506783
>this drawn out excuse for being FUCKING LAAAZY
>>342513502
Not arguing with that.
>>342513545
Ah, carry on then.
>>342506783
>'Alright, if it's all Toads...
>if it's
>if
fucking hell, spooked the shit out of me OP. Don't do that
>>342513315
>even the dragon in the Color Trash footage isn't an original character, it's from Captain Toad
Pretty sure that only EAD is allowed to create new Mario character now, and everyone else must use their scraps.
RIP Mario RPGs, victims of the moronic decisions of Miyamoto and the rest of Neotendo.
>>342511692
>Fortunately we have a product for people who want an RPG and its called Mario & Luigi
>>342513373
Not good, the game is padded with Toad hunts and other minigames.
Really, buy it only if you value good combat and challenging bosses over literally everything else.
>>342506783
If they're so dead-set on never creating new characters, why don't they ever use Waluigi, Daisy, or Wario in any of these games?
They treat it like it's Coca Cola and Pepsi, while it's more like hot dogs and hamburgers.
>>342513802
What about sunshine and 64? Sure they can still use bob-omb buddies and piantas, right?
Or are you telling me that those are "too old" and "not actual mario anymore"?
>>342514269
No, everything pre-NSMB might as well not exists.
>>342514339
I don't know if I should laugh or cry.
>Make Paper Boos and Pokeys look more like the main series designs.
>They look like complete shit now.
At least Dry Bones was an improvement.
>>342514339
Holy shit it's worse than I thought.
>there will never be another paper mario game with a funny, well written, dialogue heavy story ever again
>there will never be another paper mario game with partners all with different personalities ever again
>there will never be another paper mario game with partners all with different skills/abilities ever again
Don't say a word. Just post your face when.
>>342514339
Jesus christ, I didn't know Sticker Star was THAT bad
>>342514339
This is fucking depressing.
I hope CS bombs and we get old PM back. At least make a TTYD HD and watch it blow CS sales out of the water.
>>342515345
They can't do that, because then Miyamoto and Tabata will realize they're both wrong, and that's a big no-no.
>>342515315
Does she not see how much of a narcissist she is for assuming this is even talking about her? Does she honestly think that she is now more infamous and well-known than Watergate> Oh shit, DOES SHE NOT KNOW WHAT WATERGATE IS?
Okay, what the fuck.
Why the fuck did Mario become so fucking bland and generic? Up until late Wii-era they were making all kinds of creative characters and stuff so wtf happened?
>>342514782
Super Sanic the Carne Asada
What
>>342515315
>>342515850
Because Nintendo executives are hyper-conservatives that actively despise and fear innovation. For all their talk about innovation if you view their practices you'll see that they're actually extremely cautious as a company and steadfastly refuse to take risks. They never seek new audiences, they're never willing to redefine their iconic characters, they refuse to adapt to the market and insists they should make the market adapt to them, etc. etc.
Paper Mario is one of the few instances of a lower-rung developer getting to have fun with the IP and make it his own baby, and Sticker Star onwards was the Nintendo bigwigs deciding "this has strayed too far from what we think Mario should be, let's reel it back in and remarket it towards our preferred audience."
>>342515850
It all started tumbling down with NSMB. Nintendo saw that it sold like hotcakes, and decided that that was what people wanted. No original characters, just rehash the same shit over and over to be as safe as possible.
>>342515850
Success of NSMB showed that they don't need effort to sell. Now they can just shove the same blandness and still make money.
>>342515850
Miyamoto is getting old and out of touch. That's literally it.
Look at Breath of the Wild. I don't think it's a coincidence that it's both the best looking Zelda in ages as well as the only console Zelda Miyamoto hasn't had a hand in at least twenty years.
>>342515850
NSMB sold 100 millions copies.
You only have yourself to blame.
>>342515315
What? What the fuck is this feminist cunt bitching about.
>>342516349
>I am now responsible for the actions of a hundred million other people
THEN WHERE'S MY BIG MAYOR HAT AND SASH, HUH FAGGOT?
I never purchased NSMB since I would only play it once in a blue moon when I could get all my friends in one room, nor did I purchase any game I had no interest in. I vote with my wallet, but it doesn't matter when everyone else is retarded.
>>342514339
You can cut off half the SPM list since it's all those awful geometric shape people
Honestly rather have toads than them.
>>342516695
half that list is still ten times larger than sticker star
>>342516695
>implying toads are better than actual characters
>>342516695
I liked them. They still had unique characters, and the designs weren't awful. The game started off telling you that you're in an alternate dimension, so if you expected regular Mario designs anyway, you're pretty dumb.
>>342516302
fuck I forgot how hard shygirls made me
Toad and Toad at the Toadthousand and sixteen Toadlympics
>>342512097
ITS NOT A FUCKING ACTION GAME IF YOU KEEP GIVING IT TURN BASED COMBAT YOU STUPID FUCKS
If you have any questions just look at this
>tfw I wouldn't mind Super's cast returning at this point
>>342515315
Nintendo actually released an official statement about this and said that it was just a coincidence
Quinn doesn't believe them and cites Alison Rapp getting fired as evidence
>>342517265
They were fun characters. What was wrong with them?
>>342517120
I like how this keeps getting bigger with every new fuckup.
>>342517120
>tries to pretend all the toads in SS are unique
>they aren't
>still goes and pretends the Toads in CS are unique too
>when the first named Toad you meet is literally called "Toad #1"
I think this bitch is just afraid she won't be able to make something as good as the first two if she actually TRIED, so she'd rather not try at all and make a shit game instead
>>342506783
Paper Mario is the only place where I support diversity.
>The next Paper Mario game
>Bowser is replaced by a Toad with a green and orange cap.
>>342517279
As if Alison Rapp getting fired was a GG related incident. She was a LITERAL PROSTITUTE. Why would Nintendo, a family company, keep someone like that on payroll?
>>342517279
Did Quinn forget how Allison was moonlighting as a fucking whore?
>>342517390
Indeed they are. I'd just like to have new characters, but SPM's again is certainly better than a hundred Toads again.
>>342517390
Most people (including Miyamoto) didn't like their generic gemotric-shaped designs
It's like love
It's like romance
>>342508859
Kotaku and that profesionnal panhandling whore are the only one that think so. Klepek did his usual schtick of getting a clickbait article immediatly
>>342517546
If it's all part of a self-aware joke this whole dilemma was intentionally leading towards, I'd legitimately laugh my dick off.
>>342517565
Literally nothing wrong with that. Teach me how being sexual is immoral. I need to learn.
>>342517901
>The Five Guys thing
why do people like you never read the thread
>>342508859
Expect Quinn to go into such lunacy that she actually attempts to sue Nintendo.
It'll backfire beautifully
Alright, let's talk about Toads specifically.
Honestly? I really like them. Toads never really did a lot in the original games, and it's nice to see them taking a sort of everyman role in the wonderful new direction Color Splash is going into.
As we've seen from the demo, there are a wide variety of toads you come across. Con men, helpful bystanders, things like that. Honestly, I felt more of a connection to the toad in the Mansion in SS than I did with any other toad in the series so far.
>>342517686
Instead he prefers generic Toads? There was nothing generic about the SPM designs. If anything, they were too ambitious. Simple doesn't mean generic.
>>342517901
how old are you anon?
>>342517967
When such a thing goes against your job with Nintendo, and you know it would get you fired, then yes, it's wrong.
>>342517901
see
>>342511226
>>342513069
>>342518116
There's an update on that >>342517120
>>342518097
seek help
>>342512385
>I'm the best!
He did warn you, Anon
>>342518097
This is getting stale.
The only good thing to come out of this is that Ninty said they weren't against the idea of bringing back old Paper Mario games in HD.
>>342518097
>I wanna become a barneyfag 2.0 /v/ eceleb plz pay attention to me
every thread
>>342515775
>Does she not see how much of a narcissist she is for assuming this is even talking about her? Does she honestly think that she is now more infamous and well-known than Watergate
They're all like that.
>Narcissistic personality disorder is a mental disorder in which people have an inflated sense of their own importance, a deep need for admiration and a lack of empathy for others. But behind this mask of ultraconfidence lies a fragile self-esteem that's vulnerable to the slightest criticism.
>>342518097
At this point, you are either delusional or an actual paid shill
>>342508859
>Five Guys
>>342517120
>Miyamoto doesnt actually like Toads
Why doesnt this old fart flip some fucking tables then and tell them to stop shoving Toads everywhere
>>342517546
>paper mario after that
>Toad with green and orange cap is replaced by Toad with a red cap
>>342518437
>toads replace everything
>toads replace peach, even mario
>Paper Toad: The toadening
>>342518097
You know you're giving Barneyfag a run for his money
>>342518336
They won't do it.
Expect Sticker Star 3 on NX 5 years from now however.
>>342517120
Why do they feel the need to innovate on the paper themes? It was only supposed to be a design choice. The characters aren't aware they're made of paper and the world doesn't act like it's made of paper because it isn't. It's a retelling of a story that said to have actually happened in the universe, just through a story book.
I fucking hate that everyone makes paper jokes and references now. It makes the writers fall back on those gags as jokes and writing instead of actually trying to make something good. It pisses me off so fucking much.
>>342506783
>As you mentioned before, when you're limited, that tends to bring out greater creativity."
Not when you're intentionally hamstringing yourself to not work outside of an extremely specific set.
There's a difference from making up a bunch of different Toads and giving them different colors and clothes, and then working with the same sprite, giving them different dialogue and then calling it a day.
I could make a bunch of characters for a story, but if I have to give everyone the same name, it's going to be kind of hard to follow, and kind of fucking boring.
This is just a lame excuse AND it's these chucklefucks patting themselves on the back at the same time!
Fuck everything about this.
>>342518479
>very prominent
top kek
you people are delusional
>>342518479
Gamergate IS extremely important, except it's dead, but not when i need money, then it's incredibly strong, etc etc
>>342518350
>moviebob admitting he's a fucking blobman
>>342518097
You do NOT rewrite history using a Bowser image, you massive faggot.
Toads have been doing shit since Day One. I'm talking Super Mario RPG. Toads were the townspeople, and even Square did the "all Toads look alike" joke better with Yaridovich. Paper Mario even expanded the roles by cooking items, going into a shop's storeroom, etc. All the while, the Toads looked different enough. Different heights, colors, facial features, and it was great. In fact, Paper Mario even gave them different body structures and inverted the primary and secondary colors, and again, it worked splendidly.
So to suddenly have this mass of generic shits is not only illogical and less helpful in terms of gameplay and layout, but it is also unappealing.
>>342512097
Then why not just make another fucking Mario game? Or shit, cut out the RPG portion, and just make it a fucking platformer and make it apart of the Super Paper Mario series.?
>>342518409
>tell them to stop shoving Toads everywhere
Because It's Tanabe you should tell to, not Miyamoto.
>>342518479
>very prominent
Everyone dropped Zoey after they found real tangible evidence of gaming sites not giving proper scores and selling out to their friends. It had fucking nothing to do with her after the first month.
All she tried to do was garner herself more attention. I know there's the meme of "ACTUALLY IT'S ABOUT INTEGRITY IN GAMING JOURNALISM", but it literally fucking was.
I guess it can be forgiven since the opening cutscene establishes that the goal is to save the Toads that are being drained of their color on their island. Still really lame of them to rehash SS's premise. I hope that all the bosses aren't just the Koopalings, that would really piss me off
>>342506783
Its just a throwaway excuse for miyamotos autism and not allowing them to design unique characters
>>342518639
Funny that TTYD actually has Mario using paper like abilities like turning into a paper plane or boat while SS and CS do jack shit besides "haha look were paper! lulz!"
>>342517901
>Five
dude stop focusing on the five,
'fun guy"
>funguy
>Fungai
>fungi
this is literally BASIC tier mushroom pun here!.
of course the sjws saw it as an attack on them, they only see things in one of two ways, 'it's either acknowledging my demands,' or 'it's attacking mah opinions' if it isn't 'about' them, they forget it exists, or figure out some way to spin it to be about them.
>no one made a paper luigi game based on TTYD
criminal
>>342519164
SJW are also fungi
You know what. Toads are fine. Toads being the only supporting species is fine. Mario RPG had the majority of NPC's be toad, as did PM64
But WHY DO THEY ALL LOOK THE SAME? WHY ARE THEY NOT ALLOWED TO LOOK UNIQUE? WHY CAN'T THEY HAVE FACIAL HAIR OR HAIR ECT
Speaking of, wtf ever happened to Toadswort
>>342519052
>I know there's the meme of "ACTUALLY IT'S ABOUT INTEGRITY IN GAMING JOURNALISM", but it literally fucking was.
This is laughably wrong, but the Five Guys thing is a direct reference to Zoe Quinn, so regardless, that doesn't change the situation.
>>342519164
So there's a fungi pun on top of the gamergate reference? Ok.
>>342511226
Yes. And it probably is about watergate. But watergate is synonymous with 5guys, it iust happened to be five guys. The gamergate thing revilved arouns the idea of 5 guys
>>342518437
>next game is Paper Captain Toad: Toadventures in Toad Town
>you of course play as Captain Toad
>all NPCs are red toads
>world is littered with toad statues, toad-esque architecture, shrubs cut in the shape of toad, toadstools with toad-like proportions, etc
>all enemies are red toads with various weapons and abilities
>final boss is a red toad
>menu buttons are toads with words written on their caps
>controller is a special toad amiibo with buttons
>if you zoom in close enough every texture is just toads of different colors tightly packed together into various patterns
>even the toads are just made of smaller toads
>toad town itself is built on the head of a giant toad
>it's toads all the way down
>>342517120
Daily reminder to read this if you still treat Miyamoto as your boogeyman.
>>342513845
underrated
>>342519162
In TTYD it was different since the characters were not aware they were made of paper, the paper abilities were curses, and the box mocks them for them being "paper".
It wasn't as self aware as it became in SS and CS because of lack of good writers.
>>342519271
There is someone writing a webcomic about it
>>342518842
Nowadays proposing the idea of an evil or fake Toad at Nintendo would make you go the way of Gunpei Yokoi
>>342519317
hey Mushrooms don't deserve to be lumped in with them. mushrooms at least feed on shit to make use of it, Sjws just produce more shit without adding anything.
>>342508859
GamerGate is a literal trigger now.
You can't name anything close to it without triggering awful flashbacks to it's victims.
>>342519487
Youre right. My bad.
>>342519087
of course the koopa kids are bosses, but now theyre paper! Dont you like innovation?
>>342519341
>Wrong: The Post
>>342519339
Not generic enough, so he was killed off.
He wasn't even in Paper Jam.
>>342519162
The joke of that is that he's being cursed and has no idea what's happening to him or why. It's obvious to the player because we see he's made of paper, but neither he nor any of the characters know that.
In the Puni tree segment when you're in jail and slip out of the bars, every other character says "Woah, how'd you do that?". Then you have to go get the key because none of the other characters were cursed and therefore can't turn sideways. If it were in SS or CS, you'd slip through the bars and the characters would say "OH RIGHT LMAO WE SURE ARE PAPER HAHAHAHA!".
>>342519341
The five toads part was done by Japanese developers who probably never heard of the controversy to begin with
>>342508859
>IT'S GAMERGATE
>IT'S WATERGATE
It's neither
>>342511106
underrated
>>342519469
Time to fix that.
Send e-mails to Nintendo, wreck their social media efforts on bullshit things, and panic every damn stock trading site about the company's management.
>>342519339
because it's an excuse to hide lack of ideas. they have no idea or inspiration what to do anymore because year after year they have to keep making another one no matter what.
giving up and just using toads frees them to not need to design a ton of NPC's so they can just paste them in as they are needed. they don't try because they won't get respite either way. by just phoning it in it becomes an obligation they do to earn their salary and they can devote their passion to other ideas.
>>342519918
Make cringe things with 0 chance of working, basically.
>>342514124
Miyamoto is actually senile
>>342519689
>The five toads part was done by Japanese developers who probably never heard of the controversy to begin with
This. Japan doesn't care about our social political nonsense. If we involve them, then sure, and if they localise a game then yeah they change a bunch of shit out of fear. Otherwise it isn't part of their life at all.
>>342506783
I know seeing a series you love get shat on shouldn't hurt this much
I know I have no rights to their IP and can't say don't do this
I know they are just trying to take the series in a new direction and aren't being purposefully bad at game design
But fuck this shit
The first two paper mario games were probably the most charming games I have ever played. They felt truly unique and had such loving care put into them. The companions made the game so incredibly vibrant and humorous in a simple childlike way. These new games just look and feel devoid of what made the first 2 special
Please just let it die nintendo
Please
>>342514339
As long as everything miyamoto touches continues to bomb this trend cant last long
>>342514782
Ivo the Edgehog.
>>342519341
it's JUST a fungi pun and watergate joke because there are five of them. watergate exposed is the name of a watergate scandal website.
you have become as bad as the very thing you think you are fighting, so short sighted you can only assume things must mean the most recent scandalous thing, because 'you' and your experiences somehow are center to all references.
>>342520043
That's exactly what this whole imageboard shit is, moron!
If they haven't "listened to the consumer" by now, then we have to be more direct and quantifiable.
>>342518479
>literally has a line of dialogue called whatevergate: exposed, just like the fucking watergate: exposed book.
>has a play on the words fun/fungi
Fuck off, it's clearly a Watergate reference you fucking retard.
>Mobile took all of the casual audience
>Censorship drove away the weeaboos who used to suck Nintendo's cock
>Now whorebag thinking the scene is a GG reference and Repp being fired drove away SJWs
Who is Nintendo's audience at this point?
>>342506783
I think it works best to fill the world with lots of different types of Mario creatures with unique twinges thrown in, like the first Paper Mario. The Thousand-Year-Door went further with the completely original stuff, and Super Paper Mario went really overboard with it, so I get Miyamoto's direction to stick more closely to the established Mario world elements. But the Sticker Star team went way too far with the lack of imagination and didn't use the Mario world to its potential at all. Paper Mario just doesn't work without the original creative team.
>>342520364
>it's JUST a fungi pun
Also, I think 5 people broke into the hotel that night. Or something like that. I might be wrong.
>>342520543
Drones who have no standards
>>342520140
He belongs in a home. They should give him a pen and paper for him to write down all his new ideas for games, and then throw them all in the paper shredder so they never see the light of day.
His last IP was fucking Pikmin fifteen years ago. His newest original game that he wanted to turn into a new IP had a Star Fox skin slapped on it and was just bundled with the new Star Fox game as a shitty hour long distraction you could probably remake in Unity in under a month.
>>342519689
>>342520267
Wasn't it said somewhere that these games in original Japanese actually have very generic matter of fact scripts, and the 'witty' aspects of the script both good and bad come from the localizers more than the source?
>>342518479
>We, Zoe Quinn and Phil Fish, are the most important people in videogames, and the most important people in the world, even more important the President of the United States.
Please stop.
>>342520327
Well he wasn't involved in the NX and the new Zelda so that's a start.
We also got rid of Iwata and his gimmicks, so as long as someone murders Tanabe and Sakamoto Nintendo might be good again.
The main issue is that miyamoto is afraid of "muh bowser" not having all the screentime, and also that all goombas and koopas must be evil.
When TTYD hit he probably told them to fuck off, which is why SPM had goombas and koopas evil, but they made bowser a protagonist instead of the villain (which happened before in SMRPG). That was the last straw for him.
Admit it after bowser jr, Miyamoto just has a huge boner for bowser, for him, bowser is the ultimate villain and peach is a dumb bimbo that eats cake.
Tanabe is just too much of an idiot that can't stop sucking miyamoto's dick
>>342520543
Drones who are okay with all that + 1 game a year
>>342519647
That second scenario literally happens in Paper Jam
Since PM got a handheld game, can we please just get a console M&L game? I wouldn't even mind if it was all 3D graphics, Alphadream can do 3D well and it would be great to see what they can do with an HD game
>>342521345
The 3D was actually outsourced, they excell at making sprites
>>342520543
Warlocks.
>>342520838
Yes. It was noa's gag
>game comes out
>few months pass
>"guys remember that hilarious line from this guy?"
>tfw Dream Team will be the last Mario RPG with a creative setting, original characters and a story different from "Bowser kidnaps Peach"
It didn't have to end like this.
>>342519341
>“As many have observed, when viewed in its entirety the Nintendo Treehouse: Live segment for Paper Mario: Color Splash from E3 includes two jokes separated by commentary and gameplay that have no relation to each other,” Nintendo noted in its statement. “One joke has to do with Watergate, while the other is a nod to the Fungi Fun Guys from Mario Party 8. It was brought to our attention today that these two jokes have been spliced together and misconstrued as a crude reference to an online hate campaign.”
http://venturebeat.com/2016/06/23/nintendo-insists-that-paper-mario-color-splash-joke-wasnt-about-gamergate/
>>342520704
Miyamoto isn't actually causing this shit, he's just used as a public shield. Nintendo don't let miyamoto leave because of normal Japanese business 'loyalty' guilt and not wanting anyone else to 'have' him. if miyamoto fully left Nintendo every other game studio in the world would throw money whores, coke, and everything under the planet to get him just 'once' on something. they pay him and keep the Japanese guilt on him so he doesn't leave, because once he leaves Nintendo's mystique is gone, he's too big an icon to gaming culture for Nintendo as a brand to survive unchanged when he leaves.
>>342520993
I have such conflicting emotions when I think of Iwata. I loved the guy's charm and personality so much, but deep down I know the company is better off without him in charge.
I really hope the NX has no gimmicks. I trust Kimmy so far, and that will solidify in my mind that he's a good president.
>>342520140
He's senile, out of touch, and probably genuinely autistic. The man needs to be put away.
Reminder that Sticker Star is the best selling Paper Mario game, you only have yourselves to blame for this
>>342511931
Miyamoto really needs to die already
Why couldn't it have been him instead of Iwata
I wouldn't be surprised if he throws a fit about Breath of the Wild being too different and gets chunks of it changed before release
>>342521706
Don't feel that bad Anon even Iwata knew he wasn't doing a good job with the Western market.
He would have understand
>>342521814
super paper Mario sold more and both have much lower attach rates compared to their predecessors.
>>342514782
>mfw I get Coldsteel The Hedgeheg with my name
>>342521050
I think it's just general company formula logic. hell or high water they make these games every single time, and they have to follow the formula because the formula is important so says the people who decide the funds.
you can onyl come up with so many ideas, eventually you start running on fumes and if 905 of what you do has to be sifted through the formula anyway, eventually you just figure it's easier to just cut paste the ad lib parts of the formula.
>>342521814
Who keeps saying this? Super Paper Mario was the best selling Paper Mario.
>>342521961
Well to be fair to SPM at least the Wii install base was over 5x that of the consoles the previous games appeared on
>>342521719
Miyamoto is an old legendary figure of your business whose useless to the bottom line now, but too important as a commodity to let go 'ever' they keep him around so the company PR looks good,t hey don't actually let him do a damn thing other than occasionally say encouragement to the other staff.
>lets give them all different personalities
>but lets give you zero indication of their personality at a first glance
>whiny crybaby sjws won't buy the game because of a perceived jab at gamergate and zoe quinn
>paper mario fans won't buy the game because it's a garbage sticker star 2
>wii u is on its way out and will also hinder the game's sales
guys...if we fight hard enough we really might be able to save this series. we NEED a campaign for TTYD HD. we can DO THIS
>>342522495
>Treehouse
>Allowing a sexist joke to happen
>>342522396
because the top ones require the artist spend time drawing stuff, the bottom just require cut and paste commands.
Nintnedo's sucked every once of giving a shit about the project from IS, good or bad innovative or failure, flip or flop, they always have to make another one afterwords. just doign the bare minimum worth of work guarantees them the paycheck with the least amount of further soul crushing.
>>342522495
Maybe if you replaces "wildly sexist" (kek) with "really shitty", she (he?) would have a really really great point.
>>342522495
How about the two "jokes" aren't actually connected because they are said minutes from each other and aren't a direct reference to anything?
>>342521705
He has to be somewhat responsible for it. I know he can't always be the main driving force, but you can't say that he has no push or pull whatsoever. He's fucking Miyamoto.
I don't think it's a coincidence that Breath of the Wild and Pokemon SM, the only two games Miyamoto hasn't touched, are the best looking games Nintendo has lined up.
>there will never be a paper mario with a big booty shy girl partner
>>342522516
>TTYD HD
It already exists my friend
>>342522083
They could always hire new people with new ideas. From what I heard the person responsable for the story for the first games left during SPM or before SS
I would love, LOVE for someone to edit the "Too Many Cooks" spoof video with "Too Many Toads". I'd do it myself, if I could.
https://youtu.be/QrGrOK8oZG8
>>342522896
>lv 14
>only 15 BP
You're doing it wrong.
>>342522896
He's referring to >>342517120
>>342522871
When has Miyamoto ever touched pokemon?
And the new games look like the same shit as ever.
>>342522896
You don't understand. The point of having an official retail TTYD HD is to show Nintendo how much the old Paper Mario formula will out sell the new one.
>Votre visage quand Nintendo keeps shitting on the few fans they have left and end up with no fans at all.
reminder Wario and Waluigi were originally gonna be players 3 and 4 in NSMB Wii instead of the toads
>>342523110
That's my point. I didn't imply that he has ever touched Pokemon, but Pokemon is still largely the same as it has been for the past five years, which means it's good. Or, at the very least, better than whatever other trash Nintendo is shoveling out.
>>342522947
>That fro Toad
This and the Coral Pokey have been the only interesting Paper Mario fan characters I've seen
>>342522495
B, The SJWs at NoA would never make a sexist joke.
>>342522315
Japan invented the concept of "kicking upstairs" and that should have been applied to Miyamoto long ago
>>342522871
Not as much as you'd like to think. remember japan fosters a greater personal guilt to businessman to stay loyal to their company above all else. also take into account that miyamoto is Kojima level name drop x10000000 in gaming culture. he's the kind of name hiring him for one project, even if it tanks is a HUGE pr move for your company.
thus Nintendo as a company value 'keeping' him more than anything else. his last specific headed project effort was wii music,which tanked, and all the brands he created just run off their formula alone. you can't fire him it's Pr suicide, so you just keep paying his salary and make up harmless busywork jobs like 'advisement' of projects to keep him busy.
You want too badly for there to be a 'simple' single cause to the problems, one guy who when fired magically fixes things. that's sadly rarely how it is. nintendo's problems are all layers of layers of bad decisions over many years, bad efforts to innovate, bad multinational decisions etc.
>>342523553
Please, Pokemon is pathetically stale and the last few games were bad.
There's such things as good and bad innovations.
>>342523762
I'm pretty sure they've done exactly this to him already. there's no doubt he has massive 'respect' in the company, but I doubt he actually has much clout to 'force' any studio to actually change gears the way people think.
>>342523580
>coral pokey
You mean this one? I have a bunch of fan stuff I saved and there are other few pokey partners
>>342522947
that pink piranha plant is pretty cool
>>342523448
I'm glad to see people actually bitching about them lately. It used to be dicksucking across the board.
I fear nothing will actually change unless Nintendo fucks up something big, like Pokemon. Once they do that they'll either seriously consider changing their bullshit, or just flail around being retarded hoping the problem fixes itself.
>>342522569
Didn't that guy get the boot after paying off that journo to spread the gay reprogramimg rumor in Fates?
From what I understand Nintendo has been even careful hiring new people in the NA division due to recent events. In fact, I bet they're doing some serious combing through with the current staff post Fates localization disaster and Rapp.
>>342523801
Splatoon was proof, at least, that not all of Nintendo is completely out of touch.
>>342524329
What happened with the Fates localization?
>>342524329
He's still in the company
>>342524497
I don't pay attention to Fire Emblem that much but IIRC it was mostly changed dialouges and forced memes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jA6A-ySMHYI
>>342521686
Paper Jam was a crossover. I fully expect the next M&L to be more original
>>342524381
Nintendo's problem seems to be more likely stuck in the top end, the nameless suits who oversee the marketing/business aspects. these are the people who in Noa are most likely to hard line stick to the 'family friendly no matter what' angle, or the ones who won't 'let' a game deviate off formula. the actual people on the ground floor are probably still capable of great things, just not often allowed chance to experiment.
Now if only splatoon could have made the inkling shota's as marketable as the girls.
>>342511931
>Miyamoto's stance was that he only wanted them to use characters that made their debut in mainline Mario games
Thing is the main cast of Mario is already diverse enough to have a full world, Miyamoto didn't say anything about using Toads exclusively.
That was all Kudo and Tanabe.
I don't even think Miyamoto would even think of putting in just Toads.
Miyamoto has sort of been demoted in the sense that he just oversees projects now. He goes around to them and makes sure everything is going smoothly, making the occasional suggestion in game designs.
Problem is, for all the same PR and prestige reasons you listed, Miyamoto "suggests" you change something in the same way Al Capone "suggests" you stay out of town. Nobody wants to be the guy who brushes off Miyamoto.
>>342524329
>disaster
The Fates localization was shit but the games sold like hotcakes regardless, why should they care?
>>342524959
Shit, meant for >>342523801
>>342524959
>Miyamoto "suggests" you change something in the same way Al Capone "suggests" you stay out of town. Nobody wants to be the guy who brushes off Miyamoto.
Sometimes I wish Miyamoto was still making games rather than supervising. At the very least the underlings wouldn't take his word as absolute law.
>>342523997
>making another Boo waifu instead of just using the one we already have
Why
>>342524497
The touching mingame was cut down to be between married people onry, a;ll the swimsuits we're removed, usual Treehouse insert puns and rewrite bland people stuff.
What's really weird though his Fates is inconsistent as fuck with this stuff. swimsuits gone, Camelia unchanged (her boob collision Anime scene still here, she still references her breasts, the incest implication stays, paladin ass thong remains, etc. it's really uneven about it what it thinks it should be doing censor wise.
>>342524743
Jesus Christ
>>342509813
Haha, but those weren't in New Super Mario Bros, silly anon. Why would they add those?
>>342525284
also
your child is cucked forever, all of his relationships end in friendship
they can never marry
>>342525134
I actually thought it was the Boo waifu, used as throw back or something. If it's some "original" character they should just go with the one that was already there.
>>342525134
idk, people sure like to make a lot of female boos
>>342525443
What is it with NoA and their hatred of marriage? Seriously, the fuck? Like this change. This makes no sense. It's just a goddamned wedding dress. A very tame, pretty, normal, fucking wedding dress. It's getting out of hand. Sure it's not "important", but neither would someone splashing water on your face every time you walked into work. It's just water. It won't kill you or anything!
>>342523997
That dragon thing looks so incredibly out of place.
>>342524959
he's not a mob boss everyone obeys out of divine fear, he's the guy who worked at the company for years you don't dare fire but don't let do anything relevant because he's too old for the other suits to respect anymore. he shows up, looks at what you are doing, is allowed to say something to boost your morale, then you go right back to doing what your actual boss ordered you to do with the project.
Miyamoto is just 'there' because Nintendo aren't goign to take the PR hit of him retiring fully, or the PR hit of some other company buying him.
>>342519752
Nintendo came out with an official statement saying it was indeed a reference to watergate and not gamergate
Zoe Quinn got btfo hard by Nintendo
>>342525927
Link to statement
Everyone should know it's not a Gamergate reference but I find the idea hilarious so I fully support that interpretation and all the butthurt it brings.
>>342525443
and don't forget the Rhajiit lesbian specific MU convos are removed to just reuse the male ones for both guy and girl MU.
i have a feeling there was more behind the scene's drama going on during that game among Nintendo staff than we'll ever know.
>>342525807
They can't fire Miyamoto but they really need to do something about his presence. I mean it's all well and good being a legendary figurehead for a company but you shouldn't let that status change the way people work.Granted that wouldn't have changed sticker star because it was a mix of fan input and retardation from Kudo and Tanabe
>>342525694
your picture is the old standard Nintendo purity BS. Your child gets NTR'd in fates because he looks about 12 so someone thought him getting married is unsettling ro something.
At least #Fe's bs censoring is consistent to what we expected of Nintendo (old puritanically fearful of teh boners) fates stuff was all over the place.
>>342525789
Lots of people like to add dragons for some reason, probably hooktail
>>342525807
Just look at what happened to Sticker Star. Miyamoto suggested it should be shaken up, and Tabata gutted the series. Sure, it was Tabata's fault for going over board, but it never would have happened in the first place if Miyamoto wasn't in the position he's in.
People do listen to him because he's the face of the company. Nobody wants to be in an interview and say "Miyamoto told us to do this, but we didn't do it anyway" because, as you said, that's PR suicide. You can't say that he has no say at all. He may not be doing it out of malice, but that's the worst part. He thinks he's actually helping, when he's actually having people change perfectly good games to his vision, which is still stuck inside an arcade cabinet.
While some faster paced games do benefit from those kinds of ideas of quick, cheap fun, RPGs certainly do not.
>>342506783
this game is so beautiful tho
>>342523164
>show Nintendo how much the old Paper Mario formula will out sell the new one.
Good luck with that when it never ever happens. Post enough fan fic images on 4chan so they do the remaster, and I'm sure Nintendo will magically make Paper Mario like it was 12 fucking years ago.
>>342526357
There are plenty of characters in Fates as young as Kana, there is no consistency whatsoever.
>>342526149
what they 'should' do is let him retire in peace under a contract never to do video game work ever again so he can retire and bask in the legacy he earned. but that's not how japan operates, they will keep him there as a glorified company pet until the day he dies to make sure every new blood is forever kept Japanese loyal, and not get dangerous ideas individuals matter, like Kojima or those capcom devs got.
We want to believe he's either a senile madman or an evil outdated fuck because of HOW much 'we' as gamers respect him and his legacy. we want him to be powerful even if he's too mad to be left to have it, we don't want to face a reality where even the company he put on the map only gives a shit about him for interest of keeping him 'loyal' as a property
>>342506783
so nintendo wants their minions huh?
>>342526492
>when he's actually having people change perfectly good games to his vision
The problem is that he isn't having people change it to his vision, he's having people make a mockery of it. Sticker Star is a prime example of this because
One, They didn't listen to him
Two, they took his suggestions seriously
Three, they severely limited the amount of characters they could use for no reason at all when the mario series has a fuck ton of characters already.
For some reason they took it as "look only use the ones people know" instead of "use all of the characters currently in the mario universe we have too many now as it is and we don't need any more"
whatever happened to that guy who was making a paper mario fan game with it's own partners and everything, had the gloomba who was a mob boss or something, that looked really promising
>>342526942
Comparing how many Gamecubes were sold to how many 3DS units, SS has a fucking horrendous attach rate, though.
>>342527009
that was exactly my points, Fates the censoring was all over the place and we were confused as fuck about what and why anything was being done.
#FE's censoring is clearly 'sex is le bad, no boners here' both are stupid, but at least with #FE censoring we know 'what' they are targeting and know what to expect.
>>342526375
Holy shit I really like those designs
>>342517120
>People enjoyed the colourful characters
Best get rid of those
>People enjoyed puzzles
What's a good puzzle? Hmm? DO you have the right THING to go here? Have you turned that THING into a sticker yet? No? Best go back to town to turn it into a sticker to bring it back to do the "puzzle". Puzzles are just fucking shopping lists or hidden blocks in sticker star.
>>342524516
How unfortunate, let's hope he's kept on an extremely tight leash or soon to be on the chopping block.
>>342524968
I know that it sold well, but the damage is still done. Don't even like FE and I'm kind of upset on how it played out.
The reason I bring this all up is because Treehouse employees were not on the best terms with Rapp even before she was outed as a literal prostitute. In fact, I would argue that everyone's playing it safe for now given her not so quiet dismissal, even the SJW ones in their strange way. Rapp has become a total pariah amongst the tech crowd in the area despite what her white knights try to tell you. Everybody that isn't Bill Trinen fears that fate.
>>342523801
Right now NoJ blindly trusts NoA. NoA says they need X amount of dollars to change your game for these reasons and NoJ just hands them the money. Even if it's an extortionate amount of money. Any of the money NoJ hands over that wasn't spent becomes christmas bonuses. And since they turn a profit, NoJ will continue to do so instead of looking over the list of changes they want and having them justify it.
>>342527126
I've been wondering that too he hasn't shown up in a while
>>342527095
Again, it's not Miyamoto's fault that Tabata is a fucking retard, but he never would have gone to that extreme if Miyamoto wasn't in the position to make suggestions to any project at any given time in the first place.
>>342527164
It would do great on the NX.
>>342527480
Rapp wasn't even a localizer
>>342514782
>sonic the hedgehog
oh
>>342527608
>that chart
ouch
>>342527625
No she wasn't, but still an employee that they interacted with.
>>342527608
What are you even trying to say? We know nothing of the NX.
Any better way to feed back my disappointment to Nintendo?
>>342527862
it's color splash, not paper splash.
>>342527862
Hand written letters?
Didn't that work for Square Enix and Dragon Quest?
It's incredible how Paper Mario autist are actually MORE triggerable than fuckign SJW
It takes a special brand of mental disease for this to happen
>>342527553
I have a feeling NoA is suffering from some internal pushback as this kind of thinking is becoming viewed as a short term only solution.
NoA probably has a group of pure suits who entirely subscribe to this trend because it benefits them 'now' and they don't need audience loyalty or the PR because they have the 'regular people' and another group that can read the writing on the wall that Nintendo's nostalgia audience won't live forever and they need Blizzard style 'good graces' to endure. so one side just wants to make up work to scam money,and the other knows they can't get away with murder anymore because of the internet age.
>>342527564
True Tabata just fucked everything up hard by completely misinterpreting it.
We could have had a diverse cast of characters from all over, and yet he too it as "just toads".
I mean, even if you assume "no new characters" means nothing past the 2000s or so that still leave you with a hell of a lot to work with, we could have even had a paper Wario that stole stickers in a side quest or something.
Maybe I'm still just mad about his choices but he is a major player here.
>>342527932
I ain't give a shit. I sent it already.
>>342527963
That could work but I don't really want to pay for postage. The game is too far in development to change anyway. Maybe I'll just tweet Bill.
>>342527710
Yeah, it get pretty damn wrecked by the Wii, i agree
>>342506783
I thought Sticker Star had some pretty charming moments in its use of Toads.
>>342527802
I'm saying everyone will buy the remaster and the NX
Tabata only worked on the new game you stupid niggers, it was Tanabe on Sticker Star the root of the problem.
>>342528325
fuck off drone
>>342528410
>shiggy
>not kudo with a horde of fans in the back
Can,t wait for it to get out and to have fun while simultaneously buttblasting a few 10's anons.
>>342528092
I think it's just Nintendo as a whole are very very reluctant to take risks (within the IP itself), because they rely so much on eternally making rehashes of core games to go on.
paper Mario staff is probably more than anything just running on empty, having to keep making a game and having so much of the formula and tropes preset every time, you just can't as easily find new ideas to inspire you.
>>342528485
>fuck off drone
Make me
>>342520704
His last IP was actually Wii Music.
>>342527164
>Comparing how many Gamecubes were sold to how many 3DS units, SS has a fucking horrendous attach rate, though.
Sticker Star actually has the 2nd best attach rate in the series due to the ratio of software sales to hardware. I could show the maths but if TTYD was on 3DS it would only sell 0.25 million more than Sticker Star would.
>>342528765
HAHWhy did I buy that shit god I was such a drone
>>342528073
There was an interview with, I think, Iwata where they were talking about xenoblade x's "localization" costs and him saying it was a shit ton of money but he still just handed it over no question.
>>342528603
Some of the top staff actually left after TTYD/SPM so the younger staff was responsable for this
>>342528198
>The Wii
That will happen again.
>>342528603
IS still doesn't feel like making another 64/TTYD Style Game, and for some reason they took "using currently existing characters only" as "all characters and species must match their NSMB Roles as closely as possible."
Which actually somewhat explains why Wiggler was basically the only Friendly Non-Toad since they usually acted as bouncy platforms in NSMB.
>>342528410
>Kensuke Tanabe
>credited games include Paper Mario: Sticker Star, Chibi-Robo: Zip Lash, and Metroid: Federation Force
>>342529050
Tanabe needs to be fired.
>>342506783
>when you're limited, that tends to bring out greater creativity."
this only applies if you are forced to have shitty tools
not when you're a company like Nintendo that can go the extra mile
>>342519459
>Webcomic
Where? It'll be better then CS at the very least.
>>342506783
>Since this is taking place within the greater Mario world, we wanted to focus as much as possible on the familiar Mario characters.
Then use all of then INSTEAD OF JUST GOD DAMN TOADS
>>342527608
So if the NX sells more the Wii U, are Sonyggers still gonna be able to post this chart
>>342528874
NoA is like the spoiled daughter to the nice but oblivious father NoJ.
>>342529625
Look at the new Mario Party. You can only play as Toad. They're phasing everyone else out.
>>342507060
>What's is splatoon
I. Eat your neck ears as jerked of them once all the lead shit came out like the virgin that you are
>>342529567
http://marvelouscompass.tumblr.com/
>>342529798
W-what?
>>342529798
To give the new Mario Party some credit it at least looks better than the fucking car
>>342526942
I always hate when people look at sales likes this because there is so much more that goes into it than "People liked this."
For one we often get the DMC reaction where the best game sells poorly because the game before was the worst in the series and it soured people and kept them away. Which is why DMC2 sold more than 3.
When they're all on different consoles you also have to look at how well that console is doing, how many people own it and what the attach rate is. EVERYBODY owned a Wii and there was a severe good game drought through its entire life cycle so it's unsurprising that SPM sold so well.
That's not even factoring in time of release and what else was going on at the time. Sticker Star for example came out during Christmas time while TTYD came out in the summer.
>>342529625
But Anon, Goombas and Koopas are the BAD guys! They're not supposed to be friendly or help you, silly! Toads are the only friendly characters that exist in New Super Mario Bros, which Intelligent Systems went to great lengths to stay faithful to!
>>342528874
Kimishima is a hardened businessman and knows the North American market very well. I doubt they'll be able to pull the wool over his eyes. Hopefully he smartens NoA up with a good, proverbial slap.
>>342514339
How did we go from Super Paper Mario that had only 1 Toad in the beginning & 1 in your cards to Sticker Star?
How much Toad porn do you think Tanabe has stored on his computer at home?
>>342527480
>I know that it sold well, but the damage is still done. Don't even like FE and I'm kind of upset on how it played out.
That's usually the case, these "controversies" are big deals for everyone who isn't interested in the games.
You say "The damage is done" but is it really damage done? The way I see it now is that it's popular enough that stuff like this is bound to happen. Although I don't like it happening these kind of controversies are a sign of it's relevance. It is better off than when it was dying off and nobody cared.
>>342530093
I hope so, this year marks the end of Iwata's enabling so we should be seeing some changes next year.
>>342530161
They're just toads without clothes and genitals because Miyamoto says they have no real gender.
>>342507060
Are you retarded? They've always been great at creating original characters.
The thing that bothers me is that they aren't even bothering to bring any of the others back. They're just making them all the same. That's nothing but pure laziness.
>>342507698
I thought it looked like Rougeport
>>342529843
Thanks
>>342529841
Are you having a stroke?
>>342506783
>we're only joking you guys the game isn't REALLY shit
>mfw the toads are spreading like an actual fungus
>>342530009
>l always hate when people look at sales likes this because there is so much more that goes into it than "People liked this."
When you go into depth Sticker Star actually did really well for the platform it is on. This is taking into account both instal base and inherent differences between the platform(e.g. handhelds being cheaper, replaced more often, skewing to a younger audience who can't buy as many games).
>The 3DS has sold 274.18 million pieces of software and has sold 58.85 million hardware. This means that the average 3DS has 4.66 games bought for it.
>The GC had sold 208.57 million pieces of software and 21.57 million pieces of Hardware. This means that the average GC had 9.66 games bought for it. (source: https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/sales/hard_soft/index.html)
9.66 divided by 4.66 is a ratio of 2.07. Which means when moving from console to handheld(and after factoring in install bases) the sales should be roughly halved.
TTYD sold 1.91 million as of December 2014 and Sticker Star sold 2.24 million as of December 2014. (source: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=963700)If you scaled TTYD to 3DS from GC. It would be: 1.91 million * (58.85/21.58) /2.07 = 2.51 million. Which isn't much higher than Sticker Star and TTYD is the one that did best in relation to its platform.
Additionally Sticker Star has also outsold every Mario & Luigi RPG game except Bowser's inside story making Sticker Star the 3rd best selling Mario RPG game of all time.
>>342531193
>MatPat was actually right for once
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>342531603
You mean the same guy who said "Wario is 10 feet tall" or some shit like that?
>>342531582
It didn't matter for color splash since as the interview stated they started development as soon as sticker star was over. By the time people played the game, they probably had a few months in development already, and when people started to hate it it was too into development to stop (besides NoJ not listening to feedback).
In the end people were passive because they accept sticker star as being on handheld, while a console PM would return to it's roots. No one expected them to make the same mistake, but there was no time to analyse it when they started.
>>342506783
I feel this might work if you think it as sort of a joke about Japanese people, which it probably actually is
>>342518842
can someone please photoshop a fedora onto this picture of bowser
>>342514339
Damn.
>>342532145
>The next Paper Mario is probably already in development
>This very second the series is probably getting gutted even further
>>342526375
>knight coopa
>dapper boo
>incredulous egyptian bomb-omb
>indiana jones shy guy
top tier partners, take note nintendo.
>>342532373
Japanese people only look the same in the eyes of foreigners, retard.
>>342514782
> no Σario
this is shit
>>342518842
SMW instruction booklet Bowser looks so fucking sick, I love it.
>>342533334
> take note nintendo.
>incredulous egyptian bomb-omb
That's what it is? Nintendo would never do that because obscuring what type of character and not makng the wick visible is poor design.
If you can't immediately identify the character or or purpose visually it's a failure of design. function comes first in Mario design. That's Why Koops hoody isn't over his shell for example.
>>342520543
True gamers.
>>342514339
>sticker star: Where creativity comes to die
>>342532145
They already said that Sticker Star would be the new standard for the series. And people ought to have seen it coming after 3D Land was followed by 3D World.
>>342516921
>implying toads are better than actual characters
Tell me how this is any better than Toads.
>>342534693
For one you can tell them apart.
>>342534850
>For one you can tell them apart.
It probably took the developer less time to make than a Toad recolor. Tell me what makes this >>342534693 specific design good.
>>342534987
*is good
>>342534453
I agree most fan designs are made by teens so they sometimes go over the top, but it's better than generic copy-pasted characters we have now.
Fun Fact: Pretty much every PM fan art died after sticker star launched
>>342506783
>"Corporate as fuck response for their laziness"
What is there to think?
>>342508859
People deeply invested in the sjw war are so tunnel visioned that they think its the focal point of modern society and the most important event in the past 100 years
>>342535156
It is my wish to fornicate with that shadow being.
>>342506783
>As you mentioned before, when you're limited, that tends to bring out greater creativity.
Yeah... only to a point. Being limited to standard design toads of different colors isn't going to lead to greater creativity. Who do these clowns think they're fooling?
>>342533319
I've given up already. Actually, i'm done with vidya in general, too old for this crap
>>342506783
Didn't Shiggy say Toad was his least favorite character? Why the hell is he all over the place then?
>>342535910
I guess they want to piss off Shiggy?
>>342532586
Here, put no effort into it.
>>342506783
You guys didn't cry when all the NPCs in Super Mario 64 were Toads. 1 rabbit and bob-ombs that say the exact same line.
>>342535910
No no, anon. He meant TOAD (A toad, not the toad species) is his most disliked character :^)
>>342527480
There was a Treehouse stream/video once (not from E3 for sure) where Rapp mentioned mansplaining and the people around her kind of groaned and shuffled on. Would you happen to know which video that is? Or anything similar?
>>342536268
Super Mario 64 wasn't focused on characters or story because it was a 3D platformer, and didn't need those elements to be good.
Paper Mario is (or should be) an RPG, and needs good characters to be good, which means not copypasting the same NPC for every role.
>>342518657
Nigger the ENTIRE game journalism shpere from IGN writers to no name Youtubers were involved and picking sides. It was a big deal. Ketword WAS. Also why the ever loving fuck would it be a watergate reference? There are probably like five Nintendo fans who would be old enough to make that connection or care about it.
>>342536268
Super Mario 64 wasn't focused upon making memorable characters & was strictly about the gameplay, this is obvious when like 4-6 Toads are in the whole game. Plus they're different genres anyways with Paper Mario being or was an RPG, a genre that's known for having NPCs & a lot of dialogue.
Would you suck on Starlow's titties every night to fix the Mario RPG™ series?
They're full of rotten Horchata.
>>342536676
>Also why the ever loving fuck would it be a watergate reference?
Every time a brand new -gate controversy comes up Watergate does. I'm not even from the US but I know about Watergate by extension of more recent -gate controversies. Watergate while something from decades ago had became a pretty relevant reference in this day and age by merit of all these new controversies naming themselves after it.
>>342536816
Hell, I'd suck on them to get Super Paper Mario back. Anything is better than what we have now.
>>342536816
One step to fixing Mario RPGs would be to kill Starlow though.
>>342511931
Coming from the man who took the Fuzzies and put them in his own game, fucking hell Miyamoto needs to retire already
>>342517120
>That's right. At first, we were making a lot of individual allies as in a regular RPG, but when we decided to focus on stickers, in order to make a clear change with the previous games in the series, it was like we started all over again by throwing out the system-including those characters-that we had made up to that point.
This actually hurt to read.
Every fucking thread
>same SS "miyamoto did everything wrong"" image gets posted
>same bitching about toads
>pretendo posts something positive about Color Splash and gets 10+ replies
>same person replies to pretendo with the archive image while simultaneously acting like he doesn't post the same shit in every thread
>same exact discussion about shufflegate
>same awful deviantart OC gets posted under the justification that "at least it's better than no partners"
What's the fucking point of having these threads every day?
>>342536584
Kek, imagine how hated that whore was on the workplace.
>>342537724
What are you talking about? Fuzzies debuted in Super Mario World.
>>342537724
What do you mean?
Fuzzies appeared first in Super Mario World, then later they were put in NSMB
They will stay because of hat
>>342537724
You do know that he said nothing about main games right but just to use older characters instead of making them over and over again?
That said they came from SMW.
>>342521992
I'm shadow the edgehog
>>342537924
whores existed before capitalism
>>342537897
While this obviously doesn't go out to literally everyone since I lurk these threads a lot myself I honestly think a lot of newer Anons come into these threads since a lot still act surprised about >>342517120 even though it's been over 3 months now since the left side of the image was made.
>>342521697
>Online hate campaign
Oh Nintendo, you silly meemers
>>342537897
I keep posting the OC because I want people to post others I don't haveBecause I'm planning to make a fangame and I might steal some ideas
>>342521686
>>342524778
AlphaDream has already said the next M&L will go back to original characters, settings, and plots. They've already confirmed Paper Jam's design choices were made on their own accord. Miyamoto and his cronies have no control over what AlphaDream does with M&L. They tried to argue with them during Dream Team's development (see: Dream Team Iwata Asks), but AlphaDream won in the end.
Miyamoto's only contribution to Paper Jam was suggesting the usage of the X button to dash in response to beta tester feedback, and that was a legitimate improvement to the game's functionality.
>>342515315
It happens every time she's no longer being talked about. And people eat this shit up everytime.
>>342537897
We have to keep the hate strong in our hearts.
>>342538312
i want to fuck that Boo
>>342506783
(laughs)
>>342539061
You keep posting this but the direction taken by the entire Mario series in these last years speaks louder than just some interview.
I won't believe it until I actually see some changes, or M&L6 itself.
>>342538989
>Because I'm planning to make a fangame and I might steal some ideas
This is another thing that always get posted. And nothing ever comes about, as expected.
>>342539425
Have you even been paying attention to the entire Mario series as of late?
The only real "problematic" one is Paper Mario.
>>342514339
Why do people think this is okay?
>>342539630
Does it look like people are taking this well?
>>342539523
I literally only started posting a week ago in these threads. The difference between the ones that tried before is that I already have a working engine. I just need the assets like characters and props, then writing.
>>342539630
Because it's a Mario game?
>>342539538
And Paper Jam.
And 3DL/W (not as bad, yet)
And Mario Party.
Mario Kart is pretty much the only one left untouched.
>problematic
Please stop posting.
>>342538989
What I really like about this is the use of the music note guy from The Music park track in Mario Kart 7
>>342514339
Reminds me about that fallout picture that shows every skill that it used to have gone from fallout 4
>>342539717
Any ideas for species to make into partners?
>>342507002
No, that costs money.
>>342539954
>thinking there's anything wrong with those
>>342539717
Why are all fan partners over designed as fuck?
>>342538989
There was one guy yesterday who posted his concept of NPCs who got stuck on an island or something.
I didn't save it though, it did look interesting.
>>342539630
>people
It's literally just IS and Pretendautist.
>>342525443
>>342526357
Your kid, male or female, has at least one possible relationship that ends in bonafide "yes they marry" love. Pic related, your child can marry this foxy qt no problem.
t. i played the game and didnt just read infographics. also only the male kid ever gets outright rejected and only by certain girls, other girls give him ambiguous ends, the female kid never gets rejected and has ambiguous ends save for two boys
>>342514339
This needs a transparent photo of Tanabe in the background.
>>342540087
So far I am thinking about adding the obligatory goomba and koopa (the dry bones with bandana in this case), but I don't know about others. I don't want to drag on too long, so there would be around 3-5 partners max and 4-5 chapters as well. Was thinking about a boo, bob-omb or even a pokey.
I was thinking about making that toad with the backpack the protagonist instead of Mario, but it all depends on the plot, which I have no idea as I am only good at programming. I'd need people to make sprites and other stuff for me, or at least send the pieces so I can assembly them
>>342540160That was me
>>342527862
This is the equivalent of "ur game sux lol". You can be more poignant than that, you retard.
>>342529798
>>342529948
>>342529884
New Mario Party has you START as Toad, as soon as you recruit another Mario character you can instantly switch to them on your turn and control them for the rest of the game. Toad is pretty "whatever-tier" neutral.
>>342508859
I'm pretty sure the people who get upset at its mention are working at Treehouse
>>342529050
>>342529253
Everything that hack touched in the last eight years turned to shit. He needs to be sacked.
>>342540475
Mustache Koopa is the best character I'm seeing here. Not as a partner probably, I just like the idea and attitude about him.
>>342540475
Surfer Koopa looks pretty cool.
Is that Captain Toad below him?
>>342506783
All Toad is one of the worst decisions they ever made, second only to bombing pearl harbor.
>>342540921
That would be the supposed protagonist in case I didn't use Mario.
Here is a sprite verison of some chars.
>>342541134
Toad is fine.
Tanabe isn't.
Predict sales and score for this game.
No fucking way is selling more than one million and getting much more then 70 on metacritic.
People are sick of this bullshit.
>>342541184
>Having a Paper Mario Protagonist not be Mario
As long the other characters have personality this an interesting idea
>>342541675
This it's reputation and it being on Wii U, I can't imagine this will end well.
>>342541675
>getting much more then 70 on metacritic
I doubt this honestly since Sticker Star (while not as highly rated as the older games) still has a good score. I'm assuming it'll get a 80 at most since it looks slightly better than Sticker Star.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CRv4XmbrmQ
>there was going to be a green toad partner who would likely work like a goombario/goombella character
>there was going to be a chain chomp partner who could break blocks and be launched at enemies
How does this make you feel?
>>342541675
The issue is that reviewers will eat it up. What matters in the end is the user score for it.
But I doubt it will sell much since the wiiu is nearly dead and sticker star is pretty disliked by true fans. Whoever buys this are just new fans/kids.
>>342539717
>The difference between the ones that tried before is that I already have a working engine
So did we, fag.
>>342514339
This is honestly sickening. I knew it was bad, but Jesus fucking Christ I did not think it was this fucking bad.
Why can't Tanabe kill himself already?
>>342541675
It'll be bigger than #FE
>>342542115
>this is the game we could've gotten;_;
>>342542115
>>342542623
I think that Toad was a temporary buddy that just simply follows you. Anyways, here are most of the images from the betas.
>>342542787
And here's a different build that was in between what we got & what was first shown. It shows a meter (I think) we have no idea about.
>>342534987
It required more creative thought than Red Toad.
>>342542787
>Still had stickers/physical items
I'm not too sure how great this version was, either. This was definitely still after the "Too much of a Thousand Year Door clone" comment from Miyamoto.
>>342543109
Nah, this is the build Miyamoto played probably. They mentioned they had sticker ideas from that far back in development it just wasn't as focused on it. After Miyamoto made that comment though is when they truly focused on the sticker aspects & got rid of partners, experience & etc. Regardless it probably would've been the weakest game in the series anyways, at least it had an original card-based area & Chain Chomp partner unlike Sticker Star.
>>342543109
>>342543461
It was said in the Iwata Asks that after the Miyamoto comment, they still had partners in along with working in stickers, (which coincides with >>342542787 exactly) until they realized that they might as well expand on the sticker concept fully since they were already downplaying the partner system.
>>342543461
It also had the monty mole king, which we will never see again.
>>342506783
>okay so we recived a lot of critisim because of all the same toads
>uhm... how about we defend ourselves...??
>cool idea, how?
>lets backpeddal by saying they are all unique snowflakes in their hearts
>awesome!
so far all the toads we've seen had just one personality - Generic NPC
and we've seen like 20 talking toads so far.
jesus...
>>342542928
Tanabe was a mistake.
>>342543645
So far the only different character was a blue toad in a boat, and he is trying to escape how awful of a mess is this game
>>342544329
Just gonna dump some random webms from the Treehouse demonstration.
>>342544329
Honestly the "green Mario cosplayer" line is pretty funny.
>>342544329
>the L is flipped when luigi is surprized
>>342544592I never tried Sticker Star, I honestly might give this a try
>>342517120
This is just depressing
>>342544329
>mirrored Luigi without fixing the L
>>342544592
The fact the cards need paint to use them is already is big step forward.
>>342544329
>>342544442
>>342544592
>>342544738
Can you do the Enemy Cards demonstration and/or the Hammer EXP that pops up after an enemy is defeated?
>>342506783
>And other familiar characters
Yet you still using Toads
Fucking Tanabe
When somebody tells you to make an RPG with familiar faces it means use the Mario world to it's fullest
Fucking fag
>>342544329
>Luigi runs out of the game
he knows
>>342522896
holy shit this looks great how do I get it
As a person who actually liked Sticker Star for what it was, my only real concern is the Koopalings
I don't mind them being in the games, it'll be interesting seeing how their personalities are compared to Paper Jam
My problem with them is that they seem to be the area bosses, which gets rid of other Mario representation who hasn't made it yet.
Atleast with Paper Jam you still had more important major bosses
I just want Muh Paper King Boo and King Bob-omb
Other than that I like that they gave you a reason to get into battles now aka color meter exp and psuedo partner enemy cards
And the whole shufflegate shit was actually pretty funny so it's nice to see the game still have good execution of a shitty idea
I also like that the toads aren't suddenly good to you and they made fuckers like OP's pic
It'll be a decent game, but here's that the notcose negativity prompts them to try going back to the series roots, or Atleast do what Mario Party Star Rush does and make a new idea with proper RPG mechanics and characters
>>342522896
>Almost all the points are in HP
ITS TRASH
>>342545046
What makes you think that? It doesn't change anything.
>>342514782
>Gold the Coldsteel
Got a nice ring to it
>>342544738
>>342545057
Sure, but give me a few, my internet just started taking a shit after I started dumping.
>>342544592
Alright, I know we've been shitting on this game a lot for what it isn't, but the battle system sllllightly reminded me of Baten Kaitos's card-based battle system.
I'm hoping against hope, but is there a chance itmight be decent?
>>342539717
>just need assets like charactersi make paper mario-styled shit in illustrator all the time,want an artist?
>>342545281
A RPG not having incentive to get into battles is not a RPG.
>>342545426
What happened here? Did he fuck up the power bounce?I know it's not called a power bounce anymore but fuck you thats what I see
>>342544743
Damn, beat me to it.
>>342545426
>>342545551
Yes he did fuck up.
>>342545223
Just by looking at your pic I can tell you're a Neotendo drone.
>>342545551
It seems like a scripted amount of damage to get you low and you use the "Win" Thing Card instead of winning the normal way.
>>342545541
Your point being?
>needing paint to use cards
vs
>needing stickers to battle
Neither of these options include any incentive to battle.
>>342545505
Post some
>>342545690
Just by looking at your buzzword, I can tell you're a shitposter.
>>342545426
I fucking hated the "you have to use x card/sticker or you are fucked" approach to bosses
>>342545771
The paint only comes when you defeat an enemy.
>>342514339
What the fuck...
>>342545426
>Rips off 96% of the player's HP with one attack.
Is this their response to people fighting Sticker Star's bosses without the "I win" buttons the game hands you?
>>342545223
>wanting Paper King Boo and King Bob-omb when you could just play Paper Jam
You sound like a slave to a series, making up excuses for an objectively shittier product.
>>342545964
You collect paint drops in the overworld as well.
>>342545964
You can get paint by hitting trees and background stuff too.
>>342545650
>>342545057
Enemy cards seem useless as hell to me based on this. They barely do damage & the Shy Guy dies instantly not even protecting you.
>>342545964
so you use paint to battle enemies to collect paint?
why not just ignore enemies and use the overworld paint?
>>342546241
Exactly.
>>342546168
Plus they can't be used against bosses, so we're back to avoiding battles.
>>342545426
>>342545650
>One hit from Morton shaves off most of your health
>One hit from that thing card shaves off most of his
It's like they thought Sticker Star's bosses weren't broken enough.
>>342545817
You're defending this abortion of a game and I'm the shitposter?
I'll make sure to ignore your posts just like I ignore the ones of the Pretendo retard from now on, please keep using that pic with them.
>>342546168
>disposable partners
super disappointing
>>342546168
>>342545057
Here you go.
>>342545771
>>342546241
You get Paint Hammer exp to boost your max paint you can hold actually, so there's technically a reason to fight. I can still picture one ignoring fights though since it seems like the bosses only need 1 or 2 cards to kill them.
We're close to being able to make our own Paper Mario64 OC games bros
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7w4FGwguIPA
>>342544592
Wait a minute. Where's the damage counter?
>>342546649
There isn't except for Mario.
All damage is shown through the color enemies lose.
Probably done to hide the power of attacks so they an justify using multiple of the same as a placeboo
>>342524849
This. Miyamoto (ironically) gets a bad rep on /v/. They wanna blame everything on him
>>342546016
Wonderful, isn't it?
Now you can't even fight them the "hard" way.
Literally worse than Sticker Star. I didn't think it could be possible.
>>342521686
NSMB made too much money.
>Mushroom Kingdom
>Toads with all different kinds of accessories and fashion, different colors, and all manner of things to make them stand out.
>Rogueport
>Monsters, big ass Bob-ombs, and Piantas beating on a random mook are some of the first sights you see, one of the most diverse locations in a Mario RPG. It even has bean people from SSS
>Flipside
>Brand new character and even features a dark version of itself with even more characters
>Sticker Star and Color Splash
>Toads
WHY
IS
THIS
ALLOWED
>>342517120
This is physically painful to me.
>>342519376
>revolved around
It was more a thing used to start talking about the problems in games journalism desu. Once the whole games journos pro thing became well known shot like 5 guys was brushed aside for the most part.
>>342546649
>damage counter
Woah anon, that's too RPG-y
Gotta get rid of that
>>342517120
>People we interviewed from Club Nintendo, which most players don't bother with, said that the story in SPM was unnecessary
>SPM, the game that wasn't an RPG in the first place, which as a platformer lends itself better to having no story
>Let's apply that to an RPG, which as a genre was partly created to facilitate more story in games
>a ROLE PLAYING GAME doesn't need a story
my FUCKING face whenI have no face angry enough for this
>>342546456
If you will ignore the posts, then why do you keep replying?
Also, where did you see me defending the game?
>>342546969
It's not, no one likes Tanabe.
>>342545556
I like this one more, it's clearer anyway.
>>342514339
>most, if not all toads names are like Mana T., original and funny as fuck
that's the original charm missing from these games, there was a living breathing world in the original and ttyd (hell super had its moments). you were mario, and they were toads, but they all had lives, hopes and fears.
I'm honestly wondering why they haven't renamed it to New Paper Mario since IS is sucking Miyamoto's dick so hard.
>>342547287
>Paper Mario isn't allowed to have original characters anymore
>But having a completely out of place "LOLJAPAN" attack is perfectly fine.
>>342547731
*Tanabe's dick
Research before posting.
>>342539954
There's nothing wrong with the 3D World series, Mario Kart, Paper Jam or even Mario Party, whose recent showing in E3 was way better than what anyone expected and actually moves the gameplay forward.
Grow up.
Is Tanabe even involved in Color Splash?
I know he worked on Sticker Star
>>342547978
I said Mario Kart is fine, at least learn to read before replying.
>>342517120
Reading this, I think Shiggy was talking about less OCs in the context of less characters like the ones from SPM.
>You don't need to have such a complicated setting where you have these particular characters with complcated backstories that can weigh down the bright and fun feel of the game.
If you apply this to SPM you get:
>Bleck and his henchmen were too complicated and heavy for a lighthearted series
Which is really true when you think about it. SPM was actually pretty dark in terms of writing and theming. The rest is stuff that applies more to the 3D marios.
>>342548072
If he weren't involved, Color Splash wouldn't be SS 2.
>>342548072
He's still the producer, Tabata is only assistant producer.
>>342547956
At least Draggadon being in the game is kind of different.
>>342548072
Tabata mentioned him in the interview so most likely, yes.
>>342548657
Does no one notice 175 fucking HP?
>>342548657
I hate how there seem to be more mini-games though. It's one of the reasons I don't want M&L to be the main Mario RPG series.
>>342548995
Yeah, you get a shitload of HP in this game.
