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Is there a game more undeserving of its fame?
>>341848610
disney movies are also famous
justin bieber is famous as fuck
its about who is the product famous to
skyrim is famous to a lot of trivial idiots.. bravo bethesda
>>341848610
Your mom.
>>341848864
>le justin beiber is bad meme
>>341848864
>le it's bad because it's popular meme
go back inside your closet you homo hipster
Not undeserving
Skyrim came out in 2011 while being limited to last gen console tech.
Unlike many games claiming open world TES does open world better than any other game on the market.
You have character creation, 10 races, tremendous gameplay diversity, a beautiful world to explore, a beautiful soundtrack, dragons,lore etc;
It is a flawed game but it also def lived up to the hype which is crazy if you think about it
>>341849263
>>341849364
didnt say its bad
disney is popular to kids, and is fairly watchable if you have the mood for it. But their target audience are kids. Saying disney makes shit and that you dont know why is it so famous is retarded
Same with JB and Skyrim, you migt not be retarded, and thats the reason it doesnt appeal to you, but there is no reason to say it doesnt deserve its fame. There is a lot of retards out there, and they will like it. And a lot of retards means a lot of fame for a product made for retards
>>341849682
>I didn't say it was bad
>Just that if you enjoy it you must be retarded
How's your latest animoo grindfest treating you?
>>341849682
>didnt say its bad
>There is a lot of retards out there, and they will like it.
>>341848610
>>341849738
Suck my cock it was a good game and no matter how many times you say it wasn't it won't make it a worse game.
>>341848610
It's great with mods.
No idea why consolefags enjoy it.
>>341849464
>tremendous gameplay diversity
- basic movement mechanics
- terrible melee combat and slightly better spell combat
- stealth mechanics ? yeah .. hahaha
- perk system was OK I guess.. for a AAA title. but there was never any choosing in the skill trees, you could just get everything
and now that I think about it, what does gameplay diversity even mean ?
>>341849848
>>341849806
oh fuck I thought you were talking about disney
but youre really deffending JB and Skyrim ?
holy shit hah
>>341850123
Yeah, sweet counter culturural sentiment brah, you're such an edgy teenager.
It was a good if flawed game pal, deal with it.
>>341848610
Skyrim is acomfyand fun casual game in which you get to fight dragons. I don't see why people would hate that.
>>341850123
woah we got a badbass over here
>>341849464
>It is a flawed game but it also def lived up to the hype which is crazy if you think about it
It only needed to be better than Oblivion, which is not a hard thing to do.
>>341850275
Because were on 4chan, and were supposed to be edgy contrarians who don't play by society's rules NIGGER and summerfags are here.
>>341848610
Bioshock Infinite.
>>341850053
>what does gameplay diversity even mean ?
something a certain empty world medieval GTA game severly lacks
>>341850053
>what does gameplay diversity even mean?
There was a time I killed two giants, revived them with a spell and then used them to kill a dragon. I won the civil war by summoning a dragon and completely destroyed the opposition. Later I got to see a 2v1 battle between dragons in the middle of the night.
That's gameplay diversity, being able to play around with the game systems to see what you can accomplish. It's not something that you get in your beloved cinematic experiences.
>>341850223
>>341850275
yeah Skyrim is nice to look at, or was when it came out. I have to give Todd that
but cmon, you dont really think it has a good gameplay. Or you really enjoy spamming R1 while going through undead dungeon #345 ? Or spamming R1 while watching a dragon taking 3% away from your HP with its strongest attack ? Not like any dmg done to you matters when you can stack 999 HP potions and drink them as often as you like, or just quick save 10x during the encounter
>>341850334
fuck you got me
>>341850637
>Once you're uber powered it gets dull
So you're going to ignore everything that came before...?
>How can you have fun just pressing one button?
Its called gaming brah, maybe try it.
I get that you think you're being cool by rejecting what people say is fun, but really, you just come off as a try hard. No one here is saying Skyrim is perfect, but its hardly shit either.
>>341850559
>2v1 battle between dragons
watching them use all their 2 attacks against each other for 3hours because they deal no damage ?
must have been terrific
>beloved cinematic experiences
I love sandbox games and openworld and I hate any kind of cinematics being used as a gameplay mechanics
>>341850637
I almost always play fantasy games as a spellmage so I mix several skills and spells. So I don't know about this spammy gameplay that you are talking about.
Also dragons do a lot more damage than that unless you get specific resistances.
>>341850881
>I love sandbox games but not Skyrim
So you enjoyed the maybe 5 hours of missions in GTA 5?
I remember when /v/ hated hipsters.
>>341849263
>>341849364
samecuck
>>341850881
So what are your favorite sandbox games?
My favorite is Mount & Blade Warband since I get so many options in how to approach battles and sieges, build diverse armies and conquer territory all over the map.
Skyrim is nowhere near as good but it has so much freedom and customization options that I cannot complain. I wish it had better level design though.
>>341850974
I played GTA 5 for only like 2 or 3. The only thing I wanted to see is how the pedestrians react to various shit I do and generaly fuck with the world. But I got bored quicky so dunno
Im not sure what your point is
>>341851180
Its more of a question, what sandbox games do you actually enjoy? Because I'm not sure there really are any that fit your criteria.
>>341850275
Dragons were the worst part of skyrim imo. Instead of being a potentially interesting enemy with different varients and different ways to be fought, they just turn into an annoying button bash fest in the mid-late game. In my last playthrough I just ended up using console commands to kill every dragon.
Mods alone make this game so worth it
>>341851467
Dunno, I fought tons of dragons and I always found new ways to fight them, sometimes because terrain and sometimes because of the equipment I was using or just because I was feeling creative and did something different.
One time I fought an invisible dragon and it was just so awesome.
>>341851460
/thread
>>341848610
Just started playing it for the first time, inventory and weapon/spell swapping feels really bad. Otherwise it's pretty decent.
>>341851467
The fights are repetitive but they're always worth fighting and they look pretty damn cool it's always exciting running into a higher level dragon.
Let's be honest how many games out there got Dragons right?
They even have a culture and a language.
>>341848610
>Is there a game more undeserving of its fame?
Of course.
>>341851297
fuck I cant come up with anything that Id really have a blast playing
I like the idea of the game letting you do everything you want at any given time without any barriers or anything but I also want the core gameplay to be balanced, challenging and glitch free
Skyrim pisses me off by being combat centered and having a shitty combat and its gameplay mechanics are gimmicky in general
GTA is too story focused and nothing in the game world happens out of the missions
>>341851696
>Dragons
They're Wyverns bro
>>341851696
>Let's be honest how many games out there got Dragons right?
Dragon's Dogma, but that game had it's own share of problems.
>>341851805
Sounds like youre just a malcontent to be honest.
>I want a game that is perfectly balanced but allows absolute freedom
Yeah, so you dislike everything out currently because it fails to achieve this almost impossible ideal?
Great stuff.
>>341851865
>They're Wyverns bro
Wrong, see:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfSRotn5M9Y
>5 years later
>/v/ is STILL salty about Skyrim
>>341851805
So you are comparing Skyrim with an imaginary perfect game?
>>341852257
You don't think the new version has added more salt...?
>>341852257
/v/ loved Skyrim on the first weeks after release.
It was only after a while that hipsters took over.
>>341852325
Im comparing it with a game that has solid gameplay mechanics, not a shitty mechanics
if not-shitty means perfect, then yes Im comparing it with a perfect game
>>341852485
>Im comparing it with a game that has solid gameplay mechanics
Such as?
>>341852485
You want absolute freedom and absolutely perfect mechanics.
You are literally asking for perfection.
Therefore your opinion is pretty much worthless.
>>341848610
morrowind
>>341852408
people should only discuss a game's flaws after putting ample time into it
>>341848610
Skyrim was not nearly as bad as Fallout 4.
>>341848610
...
LoL
Spore
Candy Crush
>>341849263
>le contrary opinion xDD
>the skyrim is bad meme
Never gets old
>>341853947
>implying "first weeks" doesn't translate into hundreds of hours
>>341852408
No I liked it for about a week then I realised how bad the game was took about a week of different characters and builds to realize this
I know this is bait though so here's your second (you) from me.
>>341852408
>/v/ loved Skyrim on the first weeks after release.
The novelty needs to wear off before one can look at a game's flaws objectively.
>>341854493
>different characters and builds to realize this
Why would you start a new character right away?
If you play the game for that long you are bound to get bored.
>>341854275
>le contrarian meme
well, how is skyrim good?
>>341854710
I played Skyrim years after release and found it good. It has obvious flaws but the game was still pretty enjoyable.
Unlike most sandbox games Bethesda games allow so much freedom of movement and choice that it's easy to get lost in those games.
>>341854742
>Why would you start a new character right away?
Not him but I always do that. I play the game for a few hours to get a good look at the gameplay and at the rpg mechanics and then restart with a more optimized/fun to play as character
>>341852408
>I'm a newfag
No /v/ hated Skyrim, always. Only time they liked it for a bit was when werewolves were leaked a week before release.
>>341854742
Play game as double handed Redguard gets boring just hacking shit to death after a couple of hours
Alright I'll try totally original thief,archer Kjaiit, once again gets boring even faster starting to see the flaws in the rpg elements. Not very immersed anymore
Try mage high elf. The most boring so far collage of winterhold is total shit and I've realised the rpg/combat elements of the game suck. Also when a giant first hits you and you go to the moon did not impress me
>>341848610
Overwatch
The Last of Us
CoD Modern Warfare
>>341855146
there are some mods that make melee tolerable, and magic combat pretty good
>>341855146
>Not going spellsword dual wielder
>Literally choosing single weapon specialists
No wonder you got bored.
>>341854883
Except when you've played the other games and see all the stuff they astronomically dumbed down.
>extremely short, shallow and disapointing faction questlines
>less skills
>spell creation removed
>various spells removed
>smaller cities
>no memorable quests
I'm tired so there's probably a lot more I missed. It feels like big empty sandbox tech demo compared to the other Elder Scrolls.
>>341854956
That would feel so wrong to me. For me part of the fun of a RPG is dealing with mistakes and sticking to one character the first time.
>>341855146
>he cannot kill a giant at early levels
Counter Strike.
100% the harbinger of all the giant annoying faggots that plague online gaming today.
Online gaming got 100% worse on all accounts because of CS.
>>341848610
I liked it, I still play it.
>caring what the faggots on /v/ think
/v/ hates all current games in a given series, because 'duh last one was better'
>>341855232
Yeah mods like that weren't out in the first week and even the rpg mechanics and world building is still fucking garbage. It's like sprinkling chocolate on dog vomit.
>>341855265
Spellsword is literally one handed but with a magic sword and some other shit. Still the collage was trash and so was the rest of the game except for a few rare quests
>>341855409
Oh I could I ran around a rock for ages exploiting it's dumb as shit programming after getting hit the first time. And people call that fun
>>341855279
>Questlines short per faction
As opposed to travel for a bajillion miles uniting the ashlanders...?
I'd rather short fun than padding.
>Less Skills
Yeah, I really miss ninja stars.
>Spell Creation Removed
For the better, it was just too exploitable.
>Spells Removed
Like Mark and Recall? Again, exploited to hell. A d levitate? To find what?
>Smaller cities
Vivec was big but it was empty and copy pasted lol pyramids
>no memorable quests
I disagree on that one, but admittedly only really remember Dark Brotherhood.
>>341855330
That's what I do with my second character. I treat the first time playing more like a demo of the game, I don't even spend time customizing the character and reading dialogue.
>>341855605
It takes only a few minutes though. You would know this if you ever tried it.
>>341855669
>Spell Creation Removed
>For the better, it was just too exploitable.
It's a fucking singleplayer game - they could have at least balanced it out and made the really crazy spells have a high cost too, but instead they removed it entirely. Fuck fun, right?
>>341855686
>That's what I do with my second character. I treat the first time playing more like a demo of the game, I don't even spend time customizing the character and reading dialogue.
That would ruin the immersion to me. And it would be very tedious.
Maybe you can try just having fun instead of being a perfectionist.
>>341855279
>various spells removed
to be fair they actually added things to magic too, like the rune spells for example, or magic "powerattack" or the ability to have a different spell in different hand, and different types of spells too
its not entirely a step backwards in terms of magic
>>341855605
>One handed.
You alternate between sword and spell, twin summoned swords for magicka regen, summoned bow and big spells, or indeed using flames. Its not really the games fault that you fail to use the too!s it gives you creatively. Not to mention alchemy.
>>341855789
I'm capable of having fun without an army of permasummons or whatever other exploit ypou miss from morrowind.
skyrim is a step down from every other previous iteration of the tes games
>gutted rpg systems
even perks which severely limited build diversity were too complicated for the retards that played the game
>combat as horrible as it always was
sorry, watching janky ass kill animations doesn't mean better combat. it was mindless button mashing and that didn't even feel right. enemies didn't react to any hits besides a pre scripted stagger
>faction quests
this is without a doubt the staple of the elder scrolls games. it's what truly separates them apart. factions used to be like a game within a game and skyrim completely destroyed it. they were pathetically short, had no depth and the stories were often horrible and in paticular the companions where you get in on the super secret inner circle after two quests. fucking lmao. on top of that every single faction quest had you spelunking in fucking dragur infested ruins. wow!
>>341855792
>Maybe you can try just having fun instead of being a perfectionist.
I'd rather not create a warrior and spend an hour customizing his appearence only to find out melee combat sucks.
>>341855927
It's not like it would have been impossible to balance. All the spells in Skyrim just feel like garbage, boring "it does damage and gives them a status ailment" type shit. Give me back the fun spells.
Skyrim is such an awful game even mods can't make playing it enjoyable, and believe me, I fucking tried. Nearly everything about it is just so fucking dull.
You can't climb mountains
>>341856038
>Balance
Isn't the issue. Its players exploiting the tools to create imbalance. And have you ebver played a Bethesda game that doesn't have unintentional game shattering exploits...?
About the only spells I miss are summoned armour. And armour stacking over clothes. But other than that, I don't really see your issue.
>>341856000
Melee combat is acceptable but I bet it's boring as fuck if it's the only thing you do.
Then again that's only the player's fault.
>>341856187
You can with Horses, they were bitten by radioactive spiders.
>>341856287
this is exactly the kind of "humor" i would expect from a skyrim babby
>>341856212
What, the only thing that causes imbalance in games is players exploiting the systems in the fist place
>>341856287
Now thats good game design.
>>341856212
I miss being able to turn an enemy into a vegetable by permanently damaging his stats until he had zero strength and agility
>>341855730
Yeah a few minutes of running around a rock exploting a giants movement. NOT FUN JUST TEDIOUS
>It takes only a few minutes though.
YEAH A FEW MINUTES OF GRINDING LIKE I'M PLAYING A MMO
>>341855846
Sword = boring slash at thing till it dies maybe hold mouse 1 to do a heavy slash
Spells are shit and even more boring hold down mouse 2 to shoot flames then switch to summoning a rune or something still fucking boring. Not to mention no fun as fuck spells or scrolls
>>341856359
>Imbalance is only created by players
Have you ever heard of "tiered" characters, items etc?
Players don't make the tiers dude, they are inherent in lack of proper balancing.
Players exploiting loopholes and imbalance aren't the same thing.
>>341856489
Do you literally have no fun with any game any longer...? Because it sure doesn't sound like you do.
>>341856489
>YEAH A FEW MINUTES OF GRINDING LIKE I'M PLAYING A MMO
I don't think you have played a MMO if you think that's tedious.
>>341855605
>using cover is an exploit
Did you want Skyrim to be a turn based system with a dyke as the lead character or something?
If you legitimately enjoy Skyrim you are a casual
>>341857052
I don't care. I just enjoy fun things.
>>341856603
I'm having plenty of fun playing memewatch, replaying hoi3 and xcom2 modded to the max, Warhammer total war and playing with my autism arma3 "group"
.>>341856626
It's tedious running around a rock shooting an arrow or a flick of flame then running back round.
>>341856843
What do you think retard?
Of course the more indepth the combat is the better but exploiting a retarded giants pathfinding and hitting it here and there is about as fun as what your describing
>>341856843
Not him but a backstep or sidestep to dodge attacks and invreasing overall damage taken and dealt would have been welcome.
>>341857119
There are other ways to beat giants. More fun ways too.
>>341857119
You are literally saying using cover and terrain is an exploit, I am fucking bewildered by your stupidity.
>>341857115
Haha, your definition of fun must be pretty low.
>>341857401
>I have superior fun to you
Are you literally a child screaming my toy is better than yours....?
What the actual fuck.
>>341857401
I used to be an elitist but elitism necessarily leads into anti-elitism.
>>341857345
No the good kind of cover is hiding behind a rock while the elder dragon blasts fire or ducking behind a tree to dodge arrows then shoot your arrows back at the Bandits.
The bad kind is running back and forth over a small cliff for a couple of minutes doing the exact same thing to a giant with retard level pathfinding
>>341857609
The scenario the other anon was lambasting was literally the top scenario except with Giant.
>>341857513
Are you still a teen because you write like one.
All I'm saying is that playing Skyrim is like swimming in the worlds biggest kiddie pool.
>>341857776
I think what anon is trying to say is, doing that is fine, but doing that to an HP sponge is boring and not good gameplay.
I agree, honestly, HP sponges are just horrendous.
>>341857798
Your insightful analysis seems lacking. But OK, enjoy whatever it is you enjoy I guess. I'm sorry the fact people don't all think the same as you is upsetting.
>>341857798
The world biggest kiddie pool must be pretty impressive.
>>341857776
Oh shit I'm pretty fucking tired right now.
>>341857928
Yep exactly
>>341857928
HP sponges are another issue entirely, and I agree. Bethesda are really fucking bad at making enemies that are hardsper to fight without just giving them a high HP pool.
>>341857345
>>341857345
Nice strawman but exploiting broken pathfinding is, believe it or not, an exploit.
>>341857942
I didn't hear a no. Anyway, nobody actually likes Skyrim anymore, since they're all playing LoL.
All this game made me realize was dragon's dogma could've been the perfect game if it had even half of skyrim's budget.
>>341858076
Would you call drawing an army into a bottleneck exploiting their pathfinding...? Because its damn near identical.
>>341848610
LoL
>>341855929
>this is without a doubt the staple of the elder scrolls games. it's what truly separates them apart. factions used to be like a game within a game and skyrim completely destroyed it. they were pathetically short, had no depth and the stories were often horrible and in paticular the companions where you get in on the super secret inner circle after two quests. fucking lmao. on top of that every single faction quest had you spelunking in fucking dragur infested ruins. wow!
This man, this man speaks the truth, listen to him
>>341858116
>I got bored of this toy and moved on tons new toy
Good Goy I guess.
>>341858137
Budget is irrelevant when Capcom finds ways to fuck every minor thing for no reason. This is a company that thought that MH second stick should be used for sword attacks.
>>341858262
Proofreading, son. I don't play LoL though, it too is trash, but so are the tastes of people who like Skyrim.
>>341858174
This beyond shitposting. Real world armies can in fact climb a rock and don't keep walking around it forever.
>>341858412
>Everything is trash except what I like.
OK, we get it kid.
>>341858304
I forget that the people who post on these boards are people who dropped out of highschool.
Bethesda shills working overtime again I see
>>341858442
Tell that to the Persians I guess.
Undertale and overwatch surpssed skyrim, casual feel good trash.
>>341858531
>defending Capcom retarded decisions
This is a company that let go Clover Studio after they released one of the best games ever made.
>>341858905
It's just so increasingly apparent you're an actual idiot.
>Dragon's Dogma is a game which is far superior to Skyrim even with its limited budget.
>lmao capcom is just dumb cus they mapped an action to a button XDXDXDXD
>I can't believe you're defending Capcom's retarded decisions
I honestly don't give a shit what you're referring to.
>>341859558
Dragon's Dogma has far better gameplay than Skyrim but has so much annoying shit, and the open-world sucks.
And you clearly have no idea how horrible were the controls in the first Monster Hunter game.
Skyrim was fun to a degree, I admit it. But it's frustrating to see all the downgrades from past games being rewarded with success. Skills, spells and attributes removed, spellcrafting removed, so many things cut from the game just so it could be rushed for the deadline. It just makes me worry about the next game.
>>341859753
So what was the last class you remember before you dropped out?
>>341848610
I don't get why people hate Skyrim so much.
I like TES in general, but it's true that all TES games have a janky combat system.
Skyrim really dropped the ball on the magic, but it hardly justifies all the resentment it gets.
It's one of the few now open world games that doesn't have every single little thing marked on the map it does still have map markers, but instead of a gps on the corner of your screen it gives you a compass (and you can even mod that out).
As for people complaining about RPG mechanics. Tell me, did you really enjoy grinding out a skill in Oblivion and Morrowind so that when you level up you'd get +5 in it?
The main quest and mages and fighters guilds are meh, but side quests, dlc questlines and thieves guild and db questlines are interesting more often than not.
With a set of immersion mods it trumps any other game series in immersiveness.
>>341860270
you listed off more reasons to hate the game than enjoy it
>>341860267
Jesus what a fucking idiot.
>>341860375
I know dude. He thinks I actually care about monster hunter and that I'm trying to fanboy capcom.
>>341860267
I beat Grigori by spamming Dragon's Maw. Stopped playing after that.
>>341860512
>I stopped playing after I beat the game
Last of Us
BioShock Infinite
>>341860617
Well yes, although I heard there was a true ending or something, but I just couldn't bother.
>>341860270
>Tell me, did you really enjoy grinding out a skill in Oblivion and Morrowind so that when you level up you'd get +5 in it?
No that was terrible but there was no reason to remove attributes entirely. It's important to define your character in an RPG instead of having your character be good at everything like Skyrim did. A flat leveling bonus or even a permanent system like Fallout SPECIAL both would have been better.
>>341860919
>Good at everything.
Jack of All Trades, Master of a few.remember, not everyone bothered to get every single perk in every single tree just because it was technically possible.
>>341860363
At the end of the day, Skyrim is a game i enjoy for the exploration, and general comfyness of it.
It's the only first person fantasy RPG series out there.
Comparing it to big new RPGs
Witcher is great, but it's a different type of game, it has a protagonist and is 3rd person, and Dark Souls isn't even open world, it's a fun and challenging 3rd person RPG with a leveling system that you have to plan out before starting the game. How are you supposed to know off the bat that int will not help you out with pyromaniacs, that resistance is useless, if you want a str or dex weapon?
>>341860919
Sure, i would have liked something different, but i find it removed the tediousness of the previous system in Oblivion and Morrowind. As for jack of all trades you could passively become a fucking olympic acrobat in Oblivion. My gripes with Skyrim's combat is primarily with magic. On the flip side, Skyrim is the only TES game in which archery is viable, heck i'd say overpowered compared to the previous 2 styles (my favorite way to play is a spell sword).
Witcher 1 has my favorite leveling system.
>>341861135
I don't get how you can honestly think that you need to plan out your build prior to playing dark souls with all the talk about it. Do you just cover your eyes and ears whenever anyone disproves this very fact?
Skyrim has a trash combat system, quest system and dungeons which are just clones of original templates. There hasn't been an elder scrolls game with good lore since morrowind (oblivion's was alright).
You can measure how good a game is because there's standards and fields of study and design which gauge this. Skyrim's is mediocre and if you like it because it's simple and derivative then you just like simple and derivative games for simple and derivative reasons.
>>341861135
"Comfyness" should not be used as an argument for anything other than buying mattresses. I don't want to sound like the "fun is a buzzword" guy, but the atmosphere of it does not make up for how awful it is in every single way. The gameplay is horrendous and the story is even dumber and simpler than Oblivion's, and unlike the aforementioned, sidequests don't make up for it because they opted out of making them in exchange for the "infinite" radiant quests and everything being in draugr ruins.
>>341848610
Yes
>>341861754
>>341861814
>The older games were better back in my day
Oh great, Nostalgia goggles are being confused for objective reasoning.
>>341861135
Your line of argumentation is saying something like "Twilight might have a terrible narrative, horrid themes, but at the end of the day it allows me to self-insert as the main character which I like".
You have no place arguing about the merits of the game if you can't defend it because you're just going to scapegoat with
>it's fun :3333
because there is no other argument other than critiquing you as a player which you can just say
>omg ad hominem
to
>>341861134
You're still good at everything without all the perks. Spell strength for instance isn't tied to your skill. The perks are just a bonus,
>>341861726
I just feel like it's missing something. Choosing between Magicka, Health and Stamina just isn't the same. And yeah for whatever reason, stealth based characters are OP in this game and they get all the good stuff. Mages get the shaft and you would expect this game to revolve around warrior culture mostly but it doesn't.
>>341861975
And if someone actually proves point by point that an older game in the series was better?
>>341861754
>You can measure how good a game is because there's standards and fields of study and design which gauge this
>>341861975
>He mentioned an older game while criticizing a game that means he's wearing the nostalgia goggles
Please refrain from posting or replying to posts if you don't have any actual argument.
>>341862196
>What is game design?
>>341862196
I guess it's fair to say Skyrim is trash if you have nothing else to say.
>>341862252
Game design necessarily leads to insanely simplified games like HL2. That's an "objectively good" game.
>>341862371
Can you back up your reasoning with absolutely anything? No? I guess we're done here.
>>341851460
came in to post this.
>>341862095
Capable=/=Good
Some spells you literally can't do without perks.
>>341862160
Then someone never learned between subjectivity and objectivity...?
>>341861754
TES games as a whole have a trash combat system. But point me to a recent first person RPG with a good one.
What exactly do you mean good lore since? The lore hasn't changed (bar the Oblivion retcon). I take it you're referring to Skybabies asking to learn about them dwarvez. Come on, only 3 people know the truth in Morrowind. And 1 dude in Skyrim makes a nod to what actually happened, it's expected that said lore is not widely known.
>>341862095
I agree.
>>341862076
It's a game. Give me another first person RPG series where you can self insert and actually role play.
I listed both things i liked and disliked about it.
Truth is, there hasn't been a good single player fantasy RPG since Vampire Masquerade Bloodlines. And it's a stretch labeling it as fantasy.
>>341862465
>Can you back up your reasoning with absolutely anything?
Play HL2 and Episodes with developer's commentary on.
>>341848610
The fact that Bethesda managed to convince more than 20 million people that this game was the best thing since slice bread is such a great achievement I feel the fame is fully deserved.
>>341862496
So you think objectively Skyrim has a better magic system than oblivion?
You think Skyrim has a better quest system than morrowind?
You think Skyrim beats either of them in diversity of the world?
i enjoy the game. not the best rpg but what's with the hate?
>>341862673
>So you think objectively Skyrim has a better magic system than oblivion?
Not that guy but I think that's better.
And Oblivion had such an insanely bland world.
>>341862596
I'm still waiting for your argument. Don't tell me you think you've actually made one.
>>341862673
>So you think a game is objectively better than another!??!??!
No because I'm not retarded.
>>341862797
It's an order. Or an advise if you want, you can learn a bit from doing that.
For people who didn't play Morrowind or Oblivion, it's a great game.
>>341862673
Oblivion has 4 spells: Touch, projectile, summon and selfcast. It just fools you into thinking they are different spells by putting different numbers behind them.
Comparably, Skyrim actually has a more varied magic system by including things like sustained spells, dual casting, runes etc.
>>341862774
I don't know, why do people hate shitty gameplay and shitty storytelling?
>>341848610
This overhyped, mediocre series
>Skyrim came out 5 years ago and nothing since has come close in in terms of atmosphere, lore, enemy variety, weapon/spell variety, and comfy
>>341863018
gameplays are way better than morrowind and oblivion.
but yeah main story is shit. just enjoy the side quest
>>341848610
Every Bioware game ever. Every EA game ever. Every Ubisoft game ever.
>>341863372
>gameplays are way better than morrowind and oblivion.
No. They're all shit, and the only difference Skyrim's gameplay has is that it's even more dumbed down.
which one do i pick /v/?
>>341850389
and it failed horrendously
>>341863498
TES 6 with dishonored gameplay when?
>>341863537
Skyrim of course.
>>341863325
Demon's Souls.
>>341863537
Imperial province
>>341863537
Akavir.
>>341848610
WoW post-Wotlk.
>>341863537
This one urges you to hail from Elsweyr.
The Witcher 3 - not more, but just as much
I've reinstalled and started playing it recently. It's really fun, I have a bunch of mods though. I'd be stupid to not have them.
>>341848610
Yes
>>341864820
/thread
>It's a "Skyrim isn't the dullest most cookie-cutter open world title Bethesda's ever released" thread
>>341865245
Nothing is worse than Oblivion.
>>341865370
I disAgree
>>341865370
Except Skyrim
>>341865245
Someone never player fallout 4
Or morrowind
>>341865245
Fallout 4 you reTodd.
>>341862076
>horrid themes
Aka, I'm a moralfag and want to police what teenage girls shove into their faces because I'm uncomfortable with the idea of mildly non-consensual interactions occurring at all.
>self-insert as the main character which I like
Bella is a hilariously vapid and pretentious person, and that's exactly what makes Twilight entertaining.
>>341862371
>>341862596
The fact that HL2's design is given any kind of praise is embarrassing to the industry. It absolutely set the FPS genre back a decade, easily.
>>341866281
>Actually defending Twilight.
Did I end up in an alternate reality this morning?
>>341848610
2011 Skyrim was hyped and everyone played the shit out of it. If it were bad, people would have shat on it 2012. They didn't, because it was good.
People still play the fuck out if it. They make a remaster because people will buy that shit. You can't do that with an undeserving game and expect income.
>>341848610
TLoU
Witcher
Uncharted
>>341866507
I'm barely even defending it, it's stupid as hell, but it's detractors are even dumber most of the time and just repeat thoughtless cliche's about it without considering what that says about what they value.
>>341866750
>I'm not defending, I'm just attacking those who criticise it
Why...?
>>341848610
The thing is, for someone who's never played a Bethesda Open World Experience before, Skyrim is an amazing game. I was never into RPGs (apart from Mass Effect) until a few years ago, so Skyrim was my first game of its kind and I have to say I was blown away by it.
The world was so massive and detailed compared to anything I'd played before, and stumbling across all sorts of locations and quests when walking between the big cities was always exciting and fresh. The atmosphere of the game was also top notch (which is part of the game that I have genuine praise for) and made it very, very easy to get immersed in it.
Of course looking back on it now after playing some much better games of the same genre I can see that it really wasn't all that great in most areas. I played New Vegas after it, and that was when I realised what a truly good open-world RPG looked like and I've never properly gone back to Skyrim since.
However, I would argue that most people who played Skryim were the same crowd that played Fallout 3 and 4, but not New Vegas because admittedly Vegas starts very slowly and requires a greater dedication of autism to fully enjoy than the others, so they never really played any games better than Skyrim afterwards.
>>341866940
Because, as I said, most criticisms of Twilight are really fucking stupid and should be called out for being the moralfaggy shit that they are because they're barely any better than the pro-censorship SJW bullshit people rightly complain about here.
>>341867376
So, for example, if I were to say Twilight is baly written then I'm advocating censorship because even fan fiction tier authors require a voice...?
>mfw /v/ shits on skyrim not because it's bad, but because it reminds them of a time when they were happy (2011) and had hundreds of hours to sink into video games
>>341848610
The entire MGS series.
>>341867556
>if I were to say Twilight is badly written
It depends on how and why you call it out for being badly written.
>>341867175
I had a similar experience. I never got into RPGs because they were rarely translated into my native language, and back when most of the good ones came out I still couldn't understand a single word in English. I remember picking up Might and Magic IV, Clouds of Xeen, and I had zero idea what I was supposed to do so I gave up on it after about 20 minutes. So I mostly just played platformers and strategy games.
Then around the time I wanted to talk about Rayman Origins /v/ started to spam Skyrim like there was no tomorrow. I checked the leak stream, and fuck the gameplay looked like ass. But since I've never played anything like it before I decided to give it a go, and what you described was pretty much how it went for me.
So in the end Skyrim turned out to be the perfect gateway RPG for me. I suppose I'm grateful for that.
>>341848610
>>341848610
>>341848610
Yes there are several but Call of fucking Duty surpassed them all.
I know this isn't an originap answer but OP said "any game more undeserving of it's fame". CoD was, for a decade now, the most popular game on the market, effectively killed fps' untio recently, and shatter3d the market with it's sales. Yeah, it's not an original answer but whst the fuck else can match the sheer numbers of fucking CoD? CoD is by far the most overrated franchise to ever exist. If you made a top 10 list of games with undeserved fame a minimum of 5 entries would go to CoD alone.
>>341851636
>>341851460
>>341862483
Come back when you're not getting your ass kicked by ez pz bosses
>>341867954
You've read at least book one I assume? So we're on the same page here. Or do you literally need a page number and a sentence by sentence deconstruction of it?
Seriously, just answer me this; is it badly written, yes or no?
>>341850389
And it was an improvement to oblivion in evry aspect.
Are you trying to imply something else.
post you're waifu
>>341868687
>you're waifu
>you are waifu
>>341868269
>is it badly written, yes or no?
Yes, yet despite this I'd say that honestly one of the better examples of something in it's particular genre, regardless of whether the qualities about it that are interesting were intentional. Bella is a nutcase, and this is interesting enough to make it readable despite it being genre trash through and through. The 'problematic' elements of it only make it more interesting though. Saying it's bad because "Bella is a bad role model" or whatever is, as far as I'm concerned, a non-criticism.
>>341869138
>Its not the worst Gothic romance novel, ergo its not THAT bad
>I enjoy it ironically
Fair enough I guess.
>>341848610
Understale
>>341869115
being this new should be illegal
>>341868471
history and quests are even worse than oblivion
>>341868090
codfags after mw are self aware though.
unlike bethestard in the slightest
>>341848610
Bethesda games in general are massively overrated
I honestly don't understand how someone can try out the combat in Skyrim and think "This is alright, this is fun". Enemies barely react to your hits, there's virtually zero depth to the combat system, and the primary way to distinguish enemies from each other is the size of their health bar
Now this might be somewhat forgiven if the game had decent RPG mechanics to fall back on, but Skyrim had none of these. The vast majority of quests will send you to draugr dungeons, including the fucking Bard's guild questline. Attributes were removed in favor of a perk system, which leads to all of your characters having the same optimized build after a short while. Stealth is completely broken and you can easily cheese the game by playing as a stealth archer. Randomly generated loot leads to dungeon chests filled with vendor trash. The list goes on
Oblivion at the very least had interesting quests and the Shivering Isles, I can't think of a single aspect of Skyrim that's anything more than mediocre
>>341869515
Herstory*
Ugh, Can't believe we're still doing this...
>>341868471
not to shitpost but i'm impressed that monkeys can comprehend object permanence
>>341869976
niggers can too :^)
>>341869515
>History is worse than Oblivion's
Skyrim and Oblivion exist in the same universe and share the lore and history
>Quests are even worse then Oblivion's
Both of their quests were just "follow the quest marker".
>>341869878
>and you can easily cheese the game by playing as a stealth archer
That may be true, but Oblivion will forever be THE stealth archer game.
>>341868687
moar
>>341870467
>needing ammo for stealth attacks
>when you can just 100% chameleon and throw x12 attacks right in people's faces
All the games you like
>>341870329
>Both of their quest we just follow the quest marker
B8
>>341848610
metroid
>>341848610
EVERY SINGLE 3D Zelda and Mario games... that was easy
>>341872548
He's not wrong though. Even as a fan of the games, every quest did ultimately boil down to that.
>>341870749
more waifus or just this waifu?
>>341848610
