>tfw you still can't get over MGSV
>>340020373
Literally the most dissapointing game I've ever played. All of the trailers had me so damn hyped for the grand finale of Biggu Bosses saga.I borrowed a friends game and only made it about 25 hours in but with that time I was sure I saw/did everything the game had to offer. It still hurts.Hold me lads...
It isn't disappointing or bad at all it just needs a fucking new game plus option
>>340020373
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xc0EzLc7NZg
F
>>340020373
Do you mean good or bad?
I bought it jumping into the series blind and it turned out to be of the most fun, polished, and well-designed experiences I've ever played.
The mission structure of "Chapter II" was fucking bonkers though and slowed everything to a crawl.
>>340020647
Fuck off Kojima
>>340020829
Then you have absolutely terrible taste in games and are a retarded freshcunt fresh off the boat from Facebook and Reddit.
I have absolutely no investment in the MGS story since it's been trash for the last decade, but goddamn was the level and mission design fucking horrible.
Dissapointment thread?
Who else remembers this shit?
it wasnt that bad
>>340020373
does every reaction image have to be a variation of wojak and pepe now
Just...fucking...ahh god dammit.
>tfw it's been over 2 years since we went Nuclear
Fuck your ass, Kojima.
>>340021112
There aren't that many variations.
>Megaman Legends 3
>Other M
>MGSV's potential
It all hurts so much.
>/v/ always shit games with good story and shit gameplay
>while MGS V is the opposite of that and it's just the worst
>>340020373
I bought a ps4 for this piece of shit.
I don't have a ps4 anymore.
>>340021437
>die by falling from 5 feet
>OMG IT'S SOOOOO GOOD YAY
>>340021008
>goddamn was the level and mission design fucking horrible.
It reminded me a lot of far cry 2, filler missions in a giant open world.
Does anyone remember, say, "The Viscount" or "The Arms Dealer" from anonymous contracts that make up the main mission? Then they're really weakly tied in to Cipher's master plan each time
garbage
>>340021437
The other MGS games had a good story and good gameplay.
>>340021543
>>340021008
the stealth+gunplay gameplay mix has never been topped in video game history
>>340021108
Those images have me in tears mostly because SVU is always on in the background of the kitchen I work in. Ice T says some stupid shit like every episode.
>>340021617
Just like MGS 4
>>340021743
heh
>>340021590
yeah those Africa missions are fucking horrible.
Don't remember which was Cipher's arms dealer, Cipher's money launderer, Cipher's lawyer, or Cipher's janitor. None of those guys were important.
Another anon said it once: remember that guy with the glasses you save early in the game, who made your robotic hand?
In any other MGS he would have been a real character with a following arc, dialogues and so on.
Not in MGS V, no sir.
>>340020373
I thought it was alright but knowing its potential that it didn't meet and being a huge fan of the series since the MGS1 days I couldn't get over its flaws. I enjoyed it for the first 90 hours but in Chapter 2 it started falling apart.
>>340021617
Regardless of your opinion on the story, the gameplay (what little there was) was amazing. At least you could crawl up stairs in 4, as opposed to V where it makes you stand. 4 just needed VR missions for its GOAT engine.
>>340021690
It was, by MGS 4.
By Splinter Cell too.
One word: verticality.
>>340021048
We knew from literally 1 second of footage it was going to be garbage when they reused Sonic Rush's running animation
>>340021437
you don't buy a mgs for the gameplay, it's like playing tetris for the story or telltale TWD for the gameplay.
Everyone was expecting an epic following of mgs3 story arc, and what did kojima give to us? Fucking nothing.
I'm still mad.
>>340021893
>you don't buy a mgs for the gameplay
the dumbest opinion of the day
>>340021743
It DID had good gameplay just not enough.
Also
>that gun porn
>>340021960
mgs1 2 3 and 4 are fucking nothing without the story and the characters m8
Why do people hate V so much? Like yeah it retcons some shit (what metal gear after solid 1 didn't?) And the story is non existant but the gameplay is classic metal gear deep in enemy territory. I guess if you were hyped for it like it was gonna be the best game ever I could see the hate, but its not a bad game at all
>>340021437
It doesn't have good gameplay, it has good control, periods.
There are other important gameplay element, like FUCKING MISSION DESIGN, that V barely attempts to do.
>>340021112
Speaking of variations, does anyone have the wojak hanging himself with his eyes closed?
>>340022034
>pleb spotted
>>340022039
It's "classic metal gear", with the tight level design replaced by bland open world garbage sprinkled with random guards.
MGS V is the third best Metal Gear game. Sorry it failed to deliver on your expectations, but it's still a great game.
>>340020373
After GTAV nothing will ever hurt me again.
I should have learned my lesson back in 2010 when the unspeakable happened but no. I kept my chin up until gtav.
mgsv? I was already dead
>what is disappointed may never hype
>>340022168
What were your issues with GTAV?
>>340021850
>the gameplay (what little there was) was amazing
Nah, fuck off, cunt. The gameplay is bad because there's very little of it. V actually delivered by having more than one hour worth of it.
>>340021893
i bought mgs5 for the gameplay after demo'ing ground zeroes, and i was very pleased
>Anons put off suicide for this game
>>340020373
I'm still furious about Skyward Sword. Just thinking about it makes me irrationally angry.
MGSV isn't even the worst Metal Gear you god damned children. Get over it.
>>340022156
Game just wasn't for you m8. I love perching up on a cliff and scouting out the enemy before I go in and wreck shit like some lone navy seal
Posting without reading the thread
I played that game expecting it to be as story involved as the rest. I was so disgusted by the lack of it after the intro and hated the open world aspect I traded it in after two weeks. I have never been so disappointed in a game than mgs5
>>340022039
>I guess if you were hyped for it like it was gonna be the best game ever I could see the hate
This is precisely what happened, anon.
The fags screaming "WHY!?!? IT'S SUCH A BAD GAME" were the same faggots making daily threads about MGS V going "THIS IS GONNA BE THE GREATEST GAME OF ALL TIME"
They hyped themselves to a ridiculous degree and got shocked when the game wasn't the second coming of Jesus Christ.
Meanwhile, normal people who enjoyed MGS and looked forward to it, but weren't thinking about it every minute of their lives got to play an excellent game. The story was shit, but the series story had already been ruined with 4 anyways.
>>340020373
Then kill yourself already. You were one of them putting off suicide for it, weren't you?
I still claim that had the game just ended at chapter 1 it would be held in higher regard than including chapter 2 as a mess.
>>340021142
>GZ
>mysterious and a badass villain with an unknown but intriguing back story from what we know
>MGSV
>muhahah im a generic villain and I was just written in to the background.
The worst
Any Metal Gear game that isn't Snake's Revenge >>> MGS 4
Right now the favorite thing MGS 4 shitters like saying is that it's at least better than MGS V. Here's three reasons as to why that isn't the case:
>STORY
Both games have fucking horrible stories, but MGS 4 is a far bigger offender not only because the story is more retarded, but also because it was the story that ruined the rest of the series by fucking up characterizations and events from the previous games including Ocelot, the Patriots, The Boss, Zero, Para-Medic, Sigint, Merryl and Eva. MGS V, by comparison, can't ruin what is already ruined beyond repair and merely told its own retarded wacky story that is really not that important to the overall continuity, let alone ruinous to it.
>GAMEPLAY
MGS V has better gameplay by virtue of having any gameplay at all. Whereas 4 has good systems, it doesn't use those systems properly anywhere, there are only two hours worth of core stealth gameplay at the very most and then there are the boss fights (which are admittedly pretty good), stupid action sequences and then of course the "gameplay" by which I mean the cutscenes, codec calls, microwave hall, all of Shadow Moses until the boss fights, all of Act 3 until the boss fight, etc. It doesn't even have fucking VR missions so the only way you can experience any of the gameplay is by playing MGO (Which always was and always will be nothing but a novelty that isn't really that fun to play). By comparison, MGS V also has pretty great systems which you actually get to fucking use while traveling on the open world and accomplishing missions. The mission where you rescue Kaz already accounts for all the stealth gameplay in all of MGS 4 and that's fucking pathetic. "MGS 4 is a movie" is an exaggeration, but it's very much founded in reality.
>GRAPHICS
MGS V looks better not just in polygon count but also in artstyle. 4 was the epitome of brown and/or washed out.
>>340021876
>splinter cell
Funny, I actually reinstalled the first splinter cell because of V and realized how much shit you can actually do in V compared to other stealth games
I love the splinter cell series by the way
Well up until chaos theory anyway
>>340022286
It is, as long as we don't count spin-offs.
>>340021690
stealth isnt good if the enemy AI is braindead.
>>340022369
>no argument
>U HAVE LE HORRIBLE TASTE IN VIDEOGAMES xD
Ebin. Simply ebin
>>340022560
It's better than 2 and 4 and you god damned know it.
>>340020373
My anger for MGSV is now gone and transferred to the anger of MGS3HD Remake in FOX Engine.
>mfw pre-ordered GW2
As someone who appreciates both story and gameplay in my vidya, I was able to appreciate MGS 1, 2 and 3 for story and gameplay, and V for the best gameplay in the series.
Of course I didn't appreciate 4, because it failed in both departments, but every other numbered game in the series is equally great in my mind.
>>340022596
>if the enemy is brain dead
Every mgs game has exploitable AI retard
>>340022683
You mean doubled
>>340022261
I'm so fucking sick of this dumb meme.
MGS 4 cutscene time is 71 minutes, and the game is 18 and a half hours long.
MGS 1 was 11 hours long.
And no, having little of something can't make it bad you dumb sack of shit, keep your offensively stupid opinions to yourself.
>>340022669
No? 2 is great and 4, while being overloaded with cutscenes, had entertaining story and actual guns.
2 > 1 > 5 > 3 > PW > 4
Then again I only played 3 without the free camera.
>>340020373
All those theories we came up with while anticipating the game's release... all the themes we thought the story was going to portray.... instead we got a zero story tech demo for the FOX engine. All that brilliant voice acting talent and cheesy camera work wasted on nothing.
>>340022742
still doesnt mean the stealth is good numbnuts
>>340022683
You mean the remake that will never be because it's just pachinko bullshit instead?
>>340022515
>how much shit you can actually do
Would be nice if it was actually used for problem-solving and not "eyyyyh, look what I can do"
>>340022757
>MGS 4 cutscene time is 71 minutes
lol
>>340020373
alright, anons, in the scale of 1 to Mass effect 3, how much fucked up is MGS V?i didn´t played any MGS game, just watched ...
I never played a metal gear before but I had tons of fun with it gane of the year for me
You guys were just too hyped and entitled, maybe you cant even enjoy games anymore?
>>340022757
>mgs 4 cutscene time is 71 minutes
This is b8. Don't reply
>>340020829
>starting from the last game in the series
kill yourself kid
>>340022807
Pretty much the worst opinion in whole thread.
>>340021142
>Literally has Paz raped in front of Chico in Ground Zeroes
>Is evil and mysterious as fuck
>Isn't there for half of V
>>340020373
It was a letdown from the trailers, yeah, but the game was fun.
Honestly, you were pretty dumb expecting a good plot from MGS after Peace Walker.
>>340022861
>i didn´t played any MGS game, just watched ...
I'm not sure if I have a reaction image to say what I'm feeling.
>>340022839
You just gotta get creative with it mang
>mute sex object with zero character who moons the camera
Was Hideo socially tone-deaf or just wanted to flip the bird at 3rd wave feminists?
@340022902
Did a computer generate this post? Feels like it's been stitched together to contain phrases that get the most (you)s
>>340022861
Its mass Effect 2
>>340022807
>2 listed at best in series
Who let the "it's supposed to be shit" fags in?
3 > V > 1 > 2 > Sticking five toothpicks under the nails of each of your toes in your right foot and then kicking a wall really hard > 4
>>340023027
I like how you're implying that other waves of feminism are good, you nu-male cuck.
>>340022906
508 minutes, actually
there's still 11H of gamplay, which is more than MGS1 8H, and MGS2 7H, and only slightly less than MGS3
>>340023027
When u wir pray u wir be ashamed of your words
>>340022982
There's no point if it's inefficient.
Dishonored let you do cool stuff in an efficient manner, MGSV didn't really reward creativity. Still fun, though.
>>340022953
>you were pretty dumb expecting a good plot from MGS after Peace Walker
Have you forgotten the absolute retardation that was 4? 4 came before Peace Walker.
>>340022982
>you gotta go "eeeeeyh look what I can do"
literally what I said
>>340022920
he got it right in that 2 is a the top and 4 at the bottom
>>340022861
kill yourself cuck
>>340023030
>@
Lurk more, child
>>340023027
I actually cried when she died. Although it may have been just continued tears from killing the infected men mission.
>>340023106
That's nice, but what those statistics don't account for is that the "gameplay" that's being referred to is shit like Act 3 and Act 4.
When you shave off the bullshit, 4 has the least gameplay of the series (2 has VR missions)
>>340022392
>Meanwhile, normal people who enjoyed MGS and looked forward to it, but weren't thinking about it every minute of their lives got to play an excellent game. The story was shit, but the series story had already been ruined with 4 anyways.
This. The game wasn't the fan-fiction that MGSfags wrote themselves in their minds (muh loli Sniper Wolf), even though all the past MGS games had their plots spoiled by their trailers (2 being an exception). Episode 51 getting cut from the main game was a bummer though.
>>340022913
Do you want to buy me a ps3 and psp
Also who cares
>>340023159
4 had a good atmosphere and actual cutscenes, at least.
>>340022861
You played MGS4?
>>340022512
>Snake's Revenge
>Bad
>>>/thesnakesoup/
>>340022807
1>3>5>2>4>PW
Give it until MGS6 comes out, then /v/ will praise 5 and talk about how comfy it was exploring Mother Base.
>>340023030
Newfag
>>340023409
>until MGS6 comes out
Anon, i have some news...
>>340022392
You don't have to be overhyped to see the retarded design decisions and the blandness of MGSV TPP
especially when, you know, we PAID for a fucking demo that turned out to be way better designed than the fucking game
>>340021437
>good gameplay
Gameplay doesn't just consist of controls and mechanics you retarded cuck
>>340023409
MGSV was the last, anything new will be irrelevant/not canon or Pachinko
>>340022807
1 > 3 > 2 > Acid/Acid 2 > 5 > 4 > PW > Shit > POOPS
>>340023486
Uhh, yes it does. Level design and AI are game mechanics if that's what you're implying.
>>340023248
>shit like Act 3 and Act 4.
>When you shave off the bullshit
lel ok, then I'll remove all the "walk through a very sparse collection of shacks and fulton the objective" missions from TPP
Oh what's that, there's FUCKING NOTHING left? Too fucking bad.
>>340023030
Kys
>All that pre-release hype
>That "Oh shit" moment when BB starts gunning down children and his own soldiers in the trailers
>Everybody speculating all sorts of crazy shit about how BB starts going off the deep end
>People suggesting that he murdered the kids because they stole his diamond dogs
>Somebody posts how you can fulton extract child soldiers and everybody thinks you can actually add them to your army
>Theories that Skullface was gonna die early on and start going all Tyler Durden on you
>Theories that you join up with Skullface and start working with him
>Wondering whether or not your soldiers are going to betray you and that's why they point the laser at you and BB guns them down later
>Either that or you just undergo a PTSD meltdown or start hallucinating
>That one guy who suggested that the soldiers figured out about you starting the wars that killed their families and you have to kill all of them to prevent them from spreading the information
>Ideas where you have to kill everybody in a mission for S-rank to cement Big Boss' step into villainy
>Somebody points out that Sahelanthropus' spikes looks like a lot like the shrapnel in your head and that you might actually be having an hallucination when you're driving away from it in the car
>That fucking idea where the game ends with you infiltrating your unique and fully customized Mother Base as Solid Snake
>mfw this game was one of the biggest fucking disappointments that I've ever experienced and I will forever search for a story that does something like the trailers depicted well
>>340023510
>MGS 6 pachinko machines make you watch a 30 minute video every time you play
>>340023578
mechanics are part of the gameplay you dumb cuck
>>340020579
u didnt
1>3>V>4>2>shit>the rest
>>340023520
Only correct answer.
>>340023520
>Acid 1/2
>Better than shit
How to spot a hipster.
>>340023643
That's what I'm saying, retard.
>>340023578
Learn fucking English before you speak to me again
>>340022980
unless i played less than 20 minutes(because MGS 2 has a fucking ton of cutscenes),in friend´s house and was 8+ years ago, so nah, that didn´t count.
>>340023051
so , there would be a sucessor game who representsME3?
>>340023346
no, i don´t have a PS3.
>>340023228
keep mad, faggot.
>>340023118
Thanks hideo.
>quiet dresses like that because she breathes through her skin and wearing clothing would suffocate her
Why even bother making that up
>>340023258
>The game wasn't the fan-fiction that MGSfags wrote themselves in their minds
This is the real reason
People expected a fuckload of fanservice and every single detail of BB's life between PW and MG1 and hyped themselves up to an impossible to deliver hype
>>340023606
>those head transplant threads
FUCK I will never forget pre-V MGS threads, such a comfy time
>>340023823
KYS, kiddo
>>340023580
There's still way more left than Metal Gear Solid 4, you retarded faggot.
>>340023606
>That fucking idea where the game ends with you infiltrating your unique and fully customized Mother Base as Solid Snake
Yeah, because Outer Heaven in Metal Gear 1 was totally in the middle of the ocean.
>>340023840
>wearing clothing would suffocate her
>even though she is wearing underwear
>>340023772
it's not, learn english you stupid beaner
>>340023895
>those head transplant threads
I still find it crazy that the head transplant doctor was real. Like real world is now more ridiculous than MGS.
>>340023606
Literally anything that the fans speculated before its release was better than what we got. I would've preferred anything absurdly outlandish as long as it was a finished story, as opposed to fucking nothing and then a shitty unnecessary twist with no buildup
>mgs5 fans
>>340023902
Not really. There isn't a segment of TPP that comes close to Act 1
>>340023895
>head transplant threads
And it was so plausible too. People were so caught in the hype that I was swept along with it and thought it was actually possible that Kojima had partnered with a real scientist to advertise his game with what might actually be a real head transplant operation.
I wonder if he'll actually go through with it one day.
>>340023606
>>340023895
>Faggots that thinks MGS V is a huge disappointment are the same faggots that look back fondly on the retarded fanfiction threads we had about it for years before the game released.
I am so fucking glad you people got your heart broken when MGS V ended up failing your expectations of being MGS 4 Part 2: Now with Big Boss and instead preoccupied itself with being an actual fun and enjoyable game.
>>340021808
By mid-game you're picking up random thugs who are way better at robotics than that poor guy will ever be.
>>340023606
>make up sophisticated fanfiction before release
>react with indignation and outrage when the game's plot doesn't magically alter itself to fit
is this seriously the biggest criticism you can come up with?
explain why mgs5 got straight 10s from major review sites, i'll wait
>>340023606
>>340023923
>That fucking idea where the game ends with you infiltrating your unique and fully customized Mother Base as Solid Snake
>no mods for these
JUST
>>340023981
Of course the people whose likenesses kojumbo ripped off are real. Autist.
>>340022935
>>Literally has Paz raped in front of Chico in Ground Zeroes
he makes chico rape paz
>>340024026
The chapter where you save Miller in Afghanistan accounts for two thirds of the gameplay worth a shit of MGS 4
You add in other chapters and it's just an unfair fight. MGS V >>>>>>>>>>>> MGS 4. You're a faggot.
>>340024001
>twist
LITERALLY revealed in the very beginning of the game
>>340024148
lol, you mean that one mission, seriously?
walking through three shacks is comparable to you in quality?
VENOM IS GRAY FOX
>>340023606
>That "Oh shit" moment when BB starts gunning down children and his own soldiers in the trailers
>Theories that you join up with Skullface and start working with him
>Wondering whether or not your soldiers are going to betray you and that's why they point the laser at you and BB guns them down later
>Somebody points out that Sahelanthropus' spikes looks like a lot like the shrapnel in your head and that you might actually be having an hallucination when you're driving away from it in the car
Anybody who isn't retarded knew Kojima cleverly edited the trailer to make it look like things went that way
Hell he even said it's important to mislead the viewer and it's not like he's never done things like that before
>People suggesting that he murdered the kids because they stole his diamond dogs
Retarded
>Theories that Skullface was gonna die early on and start going all Tyler Durden on you
Very retarded
>That one guy who suggested that the soldiers figured out about you starting the wars that killed their families and you have to kill all of them to prevent them from spreading the information
Nonsensical
>That fucking idea where the game ends with you infiltrating your unique and fully customized Mother Base as Solid Snake
Literally fanfiction, you can't call something shit because it never delivered to your fantasies
>hype a game endlessly to create expectations that can't be met
>horribly disappointed
>hype a game endlessly to create expectations that can't be met
>horribly disappointed
>hype a game endlessly to create expectations that can't be met
>horribly disappointed
You fags have nobody to blame but yourselves. It's just a video game, stop building hype out of thin air and making it to be the greatest thing since toilet paper based on fucking trailers and you'll be happier for it.
>>340020829
>jumping into the series blind
Well you see, Metal Gear is one of the oldest vidya series, one of the few with an actual story worth following, that continued to unfold throughout decades, and the only one of those to have kept its original creator, and thus its integrity.
It's one of gaming's greatest monuments, and while the game is great, people simply expected more of the story that started 29 years before.
Yes, 29 years. You simply can't grasp how fucking huge TPP was to many people, and sadly you never will because there likely will never be another franchise of that caliber. And the worst thing is that it could have met expectations, because many of this game's missions are on the level everyone expected; people only wanted more, and a decent conclusion that gives this whole game a reason to exist.
I miss Solid Snake ;_; I thought he'd show up at some point since Liquid did.
>>340024194
That's why it's shitty
>Even Portable Ops and Peacewalker managed to tell a coherent story and enjoyable story unlike V
JUST
>>340024148
You mean the chapter where you do the same thing repeatedly and do the same thing in the same place in the same area over and over again. Wow. So good.
>>340024087
Because they were clearly paid or something. They even had to go to boot camps JUST to play the game early and they still had to sign strict NDAs. That totally doesn't sound fishy.
>THAT ONE LAST TRAILER
H Y P E 2015
>>340024212
>>340024270
You faggots are delusional and I feel sorry for you. Go play MGS 4 again and see how much great gameplay awaits you.
Revengence made more of an attempt to feel like a Metal Gear game.
>>340020373
They'll announce something at e3 right /v/?
>>340024323
Nice argument.
Go play with your fake guns I guess.
>>340024323
The first mission alone in mgs4 is better than anything in 5
>laying in bed and remembered mgsv
>remembered how hyped v was and how It could have been the greatest mgsv game
>thought I'd come and make a thread saying that mgsv could have been one of the best mgs games ever
>see this thread
Hivemind
>mfw all that hype before it came out
>we expected it to be the greatest of all time
>spoilers leak and people think it was too retarded to be true
>it was true
>>340024428
we'll always have the hype anon, no one can take that away from us
>Loved MGSV in spite of its shit story
>It has zero replay value and I can't enjoy replaying it from scratch
>>340024227
I've been with the series since Metal Gear Solid 1 was released, I played the fuck out of Metal Gear 1 and 2, I have played every game in the series but Social Ops.
Metal Gear Solid means a lot to me, and V was an excellent game with a disappointing story, easily 2015's GOTY. The story of Metal Gear Solid went to shit with 4, not V. V could have done nothing to salvage that disaster unless they outright contradicted it.
Don't try to make this narrative that all "tue fans" of the series dislike MGS V. I've been with the series for as long as you have, if not longer, and I can safely say MGS V is a pretty great game.
>>340024221
>>340024226
>I hate fun
>>340024380
I hope not.
>>340024227
>Metal Gear is one of the oldest vidya series, one of the few with an actual story worth following
Metal Gear until V was self-aware memery, retcons, and campy B-movie plot twists
>>340024221
>>340024226
see >>340024227
It's a very old and respected series that people have fucking grown up on, I don't think it's unreasonable to expect a decent and "epic" conclusion. Despite all the shit it gets, MGS4 did a great job giving closure and putting an end to everything. MGSV was supposed to be a missing link depicting how Big Boss turned out the way he did, and instead it did nothing but raise a bunch of questions and devalue the character in a really weird way.
>>340020373
why did you remind me...
>>340024380
nothing but pachinko
>>340024221
>you can't call something shit because it never delivered to your fantasies
You can when it pretends to.
No one likes to be made fun off, except when it's only to bait you and then switch it with something equally interesting.
Kojima tricked us, but had nothing to provide in place, except for the blandest and most boring story ever, without even a conclusion.
>>340024227
More like 18 years, considering it really all started with MGS1. Nobody really counts the MSX2 games, seeing how the first one barely has a story. Besides, Metal Gear already had an ending. It was called MGS4.
>>340024262
Portable Ops pulled off the whole missing link gimmick than PW or even V did. It was just a FOX HOUND origin story with Gray Fox and Roy Campbell in it.
I loved it.
>>340024518
>Being a complete moron and shitting on everything that isn't exactly the way I expected is fun
That would explain everything
>>340024227
I always wanted to play the early metal gears but I've only had a gaming pc, x360, then a ps4.
Is it worth buying a used ps3 to play the classic collection?
>>340024428
>browsing /v/ days before it released
>read a post sayingyou play as medic
>thought that anon meantthere's a mission where you do surgery or something
>mfw finishing that last mission
>>340024401
>MUH REAL LICENSED GUNS
>>340024416
Nah, the mission where you rescue Kaz is excellent and already has more gameplay than two thirds of MGS 4. You add in the mission where you rescue Huey and you already have more gameplay than all of MGS 4's stealth core gameplay + boss fights. It's pathetic, really, but them's the breaks.
>>340024509
>The story of Metal Gear Solid went to shit with 4
And soared back through the heavens with Peace Walker. And was put in the most perfect place with Ground Zeroes. And the bridge between that and the first game in the series was obvious. And shit, the story about Venom is great, it simply falls flat because it was so rushed, the villain dies a ridiculous death early on, there's no conclusion, and the point it tried to carry was lost somewhere in a cut mission.
>>340024227
>one of the few with an actual story worth following
No, stop this meme. The story in Metal Gear is a goddamn joke. It's entertaining solely because of how campy and over the top it is.
>>340024650
>make you pay for a fucking demo
>be surprised when people are unhappy that the quality of the demo was higher than that of the final product
fuck off kojimber
you can't berate people for building up hype on SOMETHING WE PAID $20 FOR
>>340020579
>>340021008
>>340022074
>>340023486
>>340023958
Not an argument.
Wow, /v/ really is filled with a bunch of irrational retards that only care about story and can't explain how the gameplay is bad, at all. How pitiful.
>>340024697
>already has more gameplay than two thirds of MGS 4
you're fucking delusional
>mfw this thread
>>340024697
The mission where you rescue kaz you literally just walk into the fucking building then walk out then call your horse and run past the supersoldiers. What the fuck are you talking about? You don't even need to tranq or even touch anyone. It was a fucking joke.
>mfw I stopped caring about MGS after 4
>mfw I could tell this game was going to be shit from the trailers and saved myself the disappointment
feels good being right
>>340024762
PW's plot was completely atrocious
>hey remember BB's character arc in MGS3
>what if, we like, did the exact same thing
What the fuck were they thinking
>>340024665
You can emulate the first Metal Gear Solid on a toaster, and there was a PC port of MGS2. Hell, there was a PC port of the first MGS as well, now that I think of it.
>>340024762
>Vocaloid robots and Hot Coldman
>Good storytelling.
Be honest /v/. Do you think it falls under "it's a good game but not a good (series) game"
>>340024604
MG certainly had a story, which 2 made really shine. And MGS1 was only interesting because it was MG3.
Dont devalue the importance of the original games, so successful they rereleased on DOS, NES and GB, and that plenty people had a dear memory of, as the first stealth games in the history of vidya.
>>340024836
>ignoring the post about mission design
It's ok Kojima. You'll make a good game someday.
>>340024885
it would have been a regular disappointment without GZ, but Kojima did a really good job of deceiving us into thinking he knew what he was doing
GZ was just so fucking good, the hope it gave us, like holy crap man
>>340024939
>go here
>kidnap/kill no-name bad guy
>repeat 45 times
Meh. It's fun for a bit.
>>340024939
It falls under the, "fun until you realize how shallow and empty the world is," category.
>>340024854
You get dropped into a mission area and told that Kaz is being held in a village. On the way to that village is another one, and it has intel that will tell you the exact building Kaz is in. You will sneak through the first village, find the intel, then make your way to the main village, going through several checkpoints on the way, and infiltrate the village that has plenty of guards. Then you carry him out, stealthily or violently, and get an escape chase with the Skulls.
There's more gameplay, and more varied gameplay, in that one mission than there was in an entire MGS4 act. It was an excellent way to start the game. Now if only more missions were that good.
>>340024939
No, because I hate this meme.
And anyway we were all ready for something fresh, that's not the issue there.
>>340024780
>quality of the demo was higher than that of the final product
>Worse UI
>Worse graphics
>Single map
>Worse animations, some of them don't even connect well
>1 weapon for every type
>That half assed Jamais Vu mission
>Worse optimization on PC
>10 minutes of cutscenes at the beginning of a demo
>>340024939
No. It's a much better MGS game than 4. It almost functions like an IQ test. If people hate it more than 4, then they're retarded, no questions asked.
>>340024770
This
>we're clones of one of the greatest soldiers ever lived!! I feel inferior to you so I must prove you are better than me!!
>MEMES. ILLUMINATI. PATRIOTS
>Can't even talk shit on 3's story cause its actually good. Still over the top. KUWABARA KUWABARA
>DUDE MACHINES IN YOUR BODY LMAO
>>340024990
>GZ was just so fucking good
I never thought it was that good. I thought it was good as a demo, giving everyone a taste of the controls and how some missions might play in the full game, but it gets old after an hour.
>>340024970
>Dont devalue the importance of the original games, so successful they rereleased on DOS, NES and GB
The DOS and NES versions of Metal Gear 1 weren't even faithful reworkings of the original MSX2 game. And Metal Gear on Game Boy Color was a completely different game.
>and that plenty people had a dear memory of, as the first stealth games in the history of vidya.
Which most of the gaming public never heard of until MGS1 came out.
Either way, the plots of the old Metal Gears were never particularly deep (except for 2 maybe) and most of it got retconned in the later games anyway.
>>340025079
>Single map
duh, that's why it was a demo, yes
>muh slightly worse graphic
literally who cares
the mission was actually designed like a fucking stealth game should be, with carefully hand crafted guard routes
>>340024665
>>340024907
>MG1, MG2
emulate MSX versions
>MG Ghost Babel
emulate GB version
>MGS1
PC or emulate PSX
>MGS2, MGS3
emulate PS2
>MGS4
find a friend with a PS3 and just bring the game, or just skip it
>PW
emulate PSP
>GZ, TPP
PC
All but MGS4 is playable on PC.
>>340023895
>>340024989
You mean the one that said
>it's bad because the design is bad, and I can't explain why
What a riveting argument. This board's denizens are so easy to tear apart.
>>340025131
>I thought it was good as a demo
literally my point
none of the camps are as well crafted, except for Skullface's lair, but this one is very linear.
>>340024557
I played all of those games when they were released and I still play all of them yearly
The difference is that I never came up with super urealistic expectations like visiting Shadow Moses, Skullface being an hallucination and ending the game as Solid Snake
>>340025193
>or just skip it
>>340020373
People here keep mistaking "EEnE Online" tier stories for completely normal expectations of MGS games.
The point is the experience we got was purposefully designed to be borderline satisfying across the whole board.
Gun customization, no licensed weapons.
Mother Base can be visited, it's dead as a doornail(even less interactable than in the gameplay videos)
You start out on a hunt to get back at Cipher, but all you really do is Miller's grocery list and get forced interactions with the most autistic character in the series.
You get to put an end to Skullface, without even a bossfight and no sooner than the part where he becomes the blandest villain in the series.
You get to fuck around with Liquid for a bit, then he steals your Metal Gear and you can only get to see a video where you get the job done.
The only way this game will ever be redeemed by anything like a Chapter 3 is a total reboot of the game's functions.
>>340024532
>>340024770
I'm sad to learn you cannot enjoy it. There's a real story behind it, it's not even too deep for you, you could grasp it. It seems you simply didn't bother with it.
>>340020373
>Skullface is a hilariously bad villain compared to what he did in GZ
>Psycho Mantis is a fucking demigod
>Brought in fucking Keifer only to have his entire dialogue in voice tapes
>You weren't even Big Boss just some medic you created.
I wasn't even hyped for this game until I started preloading it but holy shit I have never been more disappointed in a game this is ME3 levels of disappointing. I don't even know what Liquid did with Sahelanthropus and nor do I care because I knew the series was over right there and Kojima tricked us all and blew the entire budget on Quiet, 80's music, and Hollywood actor. There is a special place in hell for this fucking chink and what he did.
>>340024380
MGSV:Russian Rouletteedition
>>340024906
It's like we played a completely different game. Unless perhaps you meant to say that TPP replicates the same story as PW, which itself replicated from POOPS.
>>340025270
there is no post that said that though
but keep thinking that aligning half a dozen shacks and throwing a bunch of guards with half-assed paths in there constitute good level design
>>340025276
Yes, but a demo is just a demo. Not even that good either.
I don't see what people are still getting butthurt about with MGS5.
Yes, the advertisements promised something completely different.
However, the game itself is solid. If you were to take it into a vacuum, you wouldn't be pissed off at it at all. The problem was entirely in the hype train.
If you let yourself get really absorbed in the advertisements and the hype-train you really kind of are the only one to blame here.
See, the problem with a hype train on a game is that you start building the game in your mind before it even comes out.
Nothing will ever live up to the hype.
Was it the story the fans wanted?
Nope.
Is the story a main focal point of this game?
Nope.
It is clear that either Kojima or Konami or someone didn't really give a fuck about the story on this game. My bet is on Kojima. So many things just scream that there was a monkey wrench thrown into the story elements of production either half-way or during multiple points.
Like Kojima was just making up crazy shit as he went along and nobody could tell him "no that's dumb".
Meanwhile marketing and other departments kept on rolling.
There is absolutely no reason, none at all, for Venom Snake and Big Boss to be different people in this game. None. Nothing at all. You can remove that plotpoint and 90% of the content that is still there wouldn't have to be changed. My guess? A complete fucking gear shift from Kojima being retarded.
Wanting to make some sort of statement rather than making a story.
It happened in MGS2 and 4, blatantly. Where he wanted to do nothing but make a statement. Why not 5?
>>340024502
>zero replay value
That's the big problem for me when people say to just suck up the shitty story and play. I just can't start again because I don't care. Meanwhile I've gone back and played the old titles no problem.
>>340020373
dont remind me, op. i've gotten over iti think
>>340025392
>but a demo is just a demo
what's your point?
>>340025313
>you just DIDN'T GET IT
Oh, I understood it just fine anon. It was fucking infantile. If you think Metal Gear's story is good, you need to stop being 12.
>>340024935
>the idea of giving nuclear weapons to AI
>automating nuclear deterrance as a God's trigger
>all that life on Motherbase, those fully fleshed out characters, dem tapes
>fucking MSF
Storytelling was perfect.
>>340025060
Is this a joke? Use your binoculars. The 'mission' took less than 15 minutes. You can just fucking run everywhere and the braindead ai won't pick up on it unless you're 5 feet away or in front of them. It is a simple ass mission structure that is in literally every game what the fuck is so special about doing a side objective. And there was no chase with the skulls you can just run past them on your horse and they don't give a fuck.
>>340024557
>Despite all the shit it gets, MGS4 did a great job giving closure and putting an end to everything
By raping the series story and delivering on a game with barely no gameplay to boot?
>>340025313
I mean having a lot of story doesn't automatically mean it's compelling. Like, would you sit through en entire soap opera series start to finish? Or one of those daily-produced campy radio serials from the 50s which have literal years of backlogged tapes?
>>340022726
I agree with you fellow anon.
I get that some people are angry at some aspects of the games, but calling MGS outright bad is nitpicking a little too much.
>>340024939
Yes. Except as >>340024227 said, the story's importance was paramount.
>9/10
>9.5/10
>Game of the Year
>9.7/10
>5 stars
>Amazing plot
>Review camp
>Review camp
>What a twist
>Keifer Suverlamb does an amazing job, all those lines
>Review camp
>Gameplay is amazing
>4.5 stars
>Game of the Month
>PS4's system seller
>Review camp
>Konami
>Review Camp
>Open World
>Open World is the future of any series make it open world
>Open world review camp
>You can go anywhere
>Do anything
>Ignore any fetch quest
>10/10, the game we've all been waiting for
>>340025175
>slightly worse graphic
Draw distance stopped at 10 feet m8, you're a terrible devil's advocate
Not to mention the game had an incredibly fewer number of features, had Kaz speaking all the time, was clunky as hell when it comes to some animations like diving for example, had problems like enemies seeing you through covered fences, no alternative camos and more
You should really replay Ground Zeroes after TPP and see how much TPP improved the formula
I want to see how /v/ ranks the series without samefagging and people having pissfights with each other.
>>340025101
Come here
>>340025436
>still attacking that shitty strawman that people are angry because of le venom medic man
nobody cares nigger
>>340025436
>IT'S A LITTLE SLIMEY! IT'S STILL GOOD, IT'S STILL GOOD!
tpp fanboys are a laff a minute
>>340025478
That it wasn't good.
>>340025436
>If you were to take it into a vacuum, you wouldn't be pissed off at it at all.
The open world is still empty as fuck with little to do, mission variety and design is awful, and there are few areas that are well designed.
>>340020373
>tfw you don't fall for every hype
>>340025498
>And there was no chase with the skulls you can just run past them on your horse and they don't give a fuck.
By spending five minutes baiting them with thrown objects/getting just close enough to draw them in a direction.
>>340025585
>Draw distance stopped at 10 feet
stop playing on consoles
>had Kaz speaking all the time
oh yeah, unlike TPP amirite?
>You should really replay Ground Zeroes after TPP and see how much TPP improved the formula
How about you replay GZ and try to figure out what level design means.
>>340025498
Try not to over exaggerate so much, it makes it look like you don't know what you're talking about
>>340024990
>nobody gives a shit about GZ when it comes out
>people start praising it when TPP comes out
Zelda cycle.
You'll automatically love MGSV when 6 comes out.
>>340025139
>The DOS and NES versions of Metal Gear 1 weren't even faithful reworkings of the original MSX2 game. And Metal Gear on Game Boy Color was a completely different game.
Such considerations were kinda ridiculous back then. Story was mostly the same, gameplay was there, and it was fucking Metal Gear. At this point, it was like arguing which version of Street Fighter 2 was the best.
I myself had dear memories of MSX games, and retcons didn't change the core story anyway, but hey, maybe because I'm old enough for it, and you're not. I wouldn't expect even a 25 year old to understand, but then don't claim you do.
>>340025193
>emulate MSX versions
Play the MGS3 Substance versions, they are smoother and have official translation
>MGS2
Download the PC version
After some tweaking it goes smooth as butter
>>340025580
>anon realizes what happens when you review mgs5 as a video game instead of reviewing it as the ghost of a nonexistent fanfiction
I could do this with anything though so there's no argument here. Like give tetris a 0/10 because it's not 3D, even though it's not meant to be, because I imagined it in 3D and thought it would be way cooler.
>>340025603
>get to enjoy the game
>still play it to this day
>get to see Kojimadrones cry daily for almost a year
Literal GOTY.
>>340025705
>nobody gives a shit about GZ when it comes out
you're insane
don't even pretend you were here
>>340025690
Wow so hard run under the bridge and throw a magazine and they come slowly crawling as I run to my horse.
>>340025306
Or watch it on Youtube.
>>340020373
I enjoyed it.
My theory is the common held one that it didn't play like a MGS because of Venom.
>>340025721
I'm with you on the DOS and NES ones, but Ghost Babel is completely new.
>>340025791
You're extremely lucky if you managed it on a first try. When I tried it the first time they wouldn't even react to the magazines.
>>340025790
Absolutely no one was talking about GZ's level design, they were all talking about what TPP was going to be and memeing about muh fiddle.
>>340025694
He's right though, your runthrough was memorable and fun because you applied effort to make it that way instead of being handheld. Someone who didnt care already would take shortcuts, not get "into" the game, and be disappointed. I think that's what he did
>>340025878
Maybe I did get lucky but it was still ass and completely underwhelming
>>340025693
>oh yeah, unlike TPP amirite?
>Snake let me tell you for the tenth time in a row that this place is a black site
That doesn't happen in TPP, you can deny it as much as you like
>How about you replay GZ and try to figure out what level design means.
I did, the level design was very good but it wasn't open world as TPP
Intresting how you simply didn't give a crap about all of the other points that I made by the way
>>340025436
>Is the story a main focal point of this game?
Now read this perfect post: >>340024227
Still, the game partly met the hype. Some of the missions are absolutely stellar. Kojima and Kojipro proved they COULD make this game, simply half of it was cut, and worse, there's no proper ending.
The Venom twist isn't bad, it just falls flat because the content designed to carry it simply wasn't there.
>>340025770
I just wanted a good story and actual missions.
>>340025790
>before TPP
>"The fuck is this shit I have to pay for a demo, one map, where is MGS3 food throwing?"
>after TPP
>"BEST GAME, BEST DEMO, IT HAS A BASEMENT LEVEL DESIGN LEVEL DESIGN LEVEL DESIGN"
>>340025895
>Absolutely no one was talking about GZ's level design
BECAUSE YOU DUMB SHIT IT WAS A GIVEN FOR EVERYONE THAT A STELF GAME WAS GONNA HAVE CAREFUL LEVEL DESIGN
A MGS GAME AT THAT
NOBODY FUCKING IMAGINED HE WOULD JUST THROW A BUNCH OF SEMIRANDOM GOONS PATROLLING AROUND A SERIES OF ONE ROOM HOUSES
AND THEN ASK YOU TO WALK TO THE MIDDLE OF THAT "CAMP" AND FULTON A GUY
OVER
AND OVER
AND OVER AGAIN
