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>tfw you still can't get over MGSV
>>340020373
Literally the most dissapointing game I've ever played. All of the trailers had me so damn hyped for the grand finale of Biggu Bosses saga.I borrowed a friends game and only made it about 25 hours in but with that time I was sure I saw/did everything the game had to offer. It still hurts.Hold me lads...
It isn't disappointing or bad at all it just needs a fucking new game plus option
>>340020373
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xc0EzLc7NZg
F
>>340020373
Do you mean good or bad?
I bought it jumping into the series blind and it turned out to be of the most fun, polished, and well-designed experiences I've ever played.
The mission structure of "Chapter II" was fucking bonkers though and slowed everything to a crawl.
>>340020647
Fuck off Kojima
>>340020829
Then you have absolutely terrible taste in games and are a retarded freshcunt fresh off the boat from Facebook and Reddit.
I have absolutely no investment in the MGS story since it's been trash for the last decade, but goddamn was the level and mission design fucking horrible.
Dissapointment thread?
Who else remembers this shit?
it wasnt that bad
>>340020373
does every reaction image have to be a variation of wojak and pepe now
Just...fucking...ahh god dammit.
>tfw it's been over 2 years since we went Nuclear
Fuck your ass, Kojima.
>>340021112
There aren't that many variations.
>Megaman Legends 3
>Other M
>MGSV's potential
It all hurts so much.
>/v/ always shit games with good story and shit gameplay
>while MGS V is the opposite of that and it's just the worst
>>340020373
I bought a ps4 for this piece of shit.
I don't have a ps4 anymore.
>>340021437
>die by falling from 5 feet
>OMG IT'S SOOOOO GOOD YAY
>>340021008
>goddamn was the level and mission design fucking horrible.
It reminded me a lot of far cry 2, filler missions in a giant open world.
Does anyone remember, say, "The Viscount" or "The Arms Dealer" from anonymous contracts that make up the main mission? Then they're really weakly tied in to Cipher's master plan each time
garbage
>>340021437
The other MGS games had a good story and good gameplay.
>>340021543
>>340021008
the stealth+gunplay gameplay mix has never been topped in video game history
>>340021108
Those images have me in tears mostly because SVU is always on in the background of the kitchen I work in. Ice T says some stupid shit like every episode.
>>340021617
Just like MGS 4
>>340021743
heh
>>340021590
yeah those Africa missions are fucking horrible.
Don't remember which was Cipher's arms dealer, Cipher's money launderer, Cipher's lawyer, or Cipher's janitor. None of those guys were important.
Another anon said it once: remember that guy with the glasses you save early in the game, who made your robotic hand?
In any other MGS he would have been a real character with a following arc, dialogues and so on.
Not in MGS V, no sir.
>>340020373
I thought it was alright but knowing its potential that it didn't meet and being a huge fan of the series since the MGS1 days I couldn't get over its flaws. I enjoyed it for the first 90 hours but in Chapter 2 it started falling apart.
>>340021617
Regardless of your opinion on the story, the gameplay (what little there was) was amazing. At least you could crawl up stairs in 4, as opposed to V where it makes you stand. 4 just needed VR missions for its GOAT engine.
>>340021690
It was, by MGS 4.
By Splinter Cell too.
One word: verticality.
>>340021048
We knew from literally 1 second of footage it was going to be garbage when they reused Sonic Rush's running animation
>>340021437
you don't buy a mgs for the gameplay, it's like playing tetris for the story or telltale TWD for the gameplay.
Everyone was expecting an epic following of mgs3 story arc, and what did kojima give to us? Fucking nothing.
I'm still mad.
>>340021893
>you don't buy a mgs for the gameplay
the dumbest opinion of the day
>>340021743
It DID had good gameplay just not enough.
Also
>that gun porn
>>340021960
mgs1 2 3 and 4 are fucking nothing without the story and the characters m8
Why do people hate V so much? Like yeah it retcons some shit (what metal gear after solid 1 didn't?) And the story is non existant but the gameplay is classic metal gear deep in enemy territory. I guess if you were hyped for it like it was gonna be the best game ever I could see the hate, but its not a bad game at all
>>340021437
It doesn't have good gameplay, it has good control, periods.
There are other important gameplay element, like FUCKING MISSION DESIGN, that V barely attempts to do.
>>340021112
Speaking of variations, does anyone have the wojak hanging himself with his eyes closed?
>>340022034
>pleb spotted
>>340022039
It's "classic metal gear", with the tight level design replaced by bland open world garbage sprinkled with random guards.
MGS V is the third best Metal Gear game. Sorry it failed to deliver on your expectations, but it's still a great game.
>>340020373
After GTAV nothing will ever hurt me again.
I should have learned my lesson back in 2010 when the unspeakable happened but no. I kept my chin up until gtav.
mgsv? I was already dead
>what is disappointed may never hype
>>340022168
What were your issues with GTAV?
>>340021850
>the gameplay (what little there was) was amazing
Nah, fuck off, cunt. The gameplay is bad because there's very little of it. V actually delivered by having more than one hour worth of it.
>>340021893
i bought mgs5 for the gameplay after demo'ing ground zeroes, and i was very pleased
>Anons put off suicide for this game
>>340020373
I'm still furious about Skyward Sword. Just thinking about it makes me irrationally angry.
MGSV isn't even the worst Metal Gear you god damned children. Get over it.
>>340022156
Game just wasn't for you m8. I love perching up on a cliff and scouting out the enemy before I go in and wreck shit like some lone navy seal
Posting without reading the thread
I played that game expecting it to be as story involved as the rest. I was so disgusted by the lack of it after the intro and hated the open world aspect I traded it in after two weeks. I have never been so disappointed in a game than mgs5
>>340022039
>I guess if you were hyped for it like it was gonna be the best game ever I could see the hate
This is precisely what happened, anon.
The fags screaming "WHY!?!? IT'S SUCH A BAD GAME" were the same faggots making daily threads about MGS V going "THIS IS GONNA BE THE GREATEST GAME OF ALL TIME"
They hyped themselves to a ridiculous degree and got shocked when the game wasn't the second coming of Jesus Christ.
Meanwhile, normal people who enjoyed MGS and looked forward to it, but weren't thinking about it every minute of their lives got to play an excellent game. The story was shit, but the series story had already been ruined with 4 anyways.
>>340020373
Then kill yourself already. You were one of them putting off suicide for it, weren't you?
I still claim that had the game just ended at chapter 1 it would be held in higher regard than including chapter 2 as a mess.
>>340021142
>GZ
>mysterious and a badass villain with an unknown but intriguing back story from what we know
>MGSV
>muhahah im a generic villain and I was just written in to the background.
The worst
Any Metal Gear game that isn't Snake's Revenge >>> MGS 4
Right now the favorite thing MGS 4 shitters like saying is that it's at least better than MGS V. Here's three reasons as to why that isn't the case:
>STORY
Both games have fucking horrible stories, but MGS 4 is a far bigger offender not only because the story is more retarded, but also because it was the story that ruined the rest of the series by fucking up characterizations and events from the previous games including Ocelot, the Patriots, The Boss, Zero, Para-Medic, Sigint, Merryl and Eva. MGS V, by comparison, can't ruin what is already ruined beyond repair and merely told its own retarded wacky story that is really not that important to the overall continuity, let alone ruinous to it.
>GAMEPLAY
MGS V has better gameplay by virtue of having any gameplay at all. Whereas 4 has good systems, it doesn't use those systems properly anywhere, there are only two hours worth of core stealth gameplay at the very most and then there are the boss fights (which are admittedly pretty good), stupid action sequences and then of course the "gameplay" by which I mean the cutscenes, codec calls, microwave hall, all of Shadow Moses until the boss fights, all of Act 3 until the boss fight, etc. It doesn't even have fucking VR missions so the only way you can experience any of the gameplay is by playing MGO (Which always was and always will be nothing but a novelty that isn't really that fun to play). By comparison, MGS V also has pretty great systems which you actually get to fucking use while traveling on the open world and accomplishing missions. The mission where you rescue Kaz already accounts for all the stealth gameplay in all of MGS 4 and that's fucking pathetic. "MGS 4 is a movie" is an exaggeration, but it's very much founded in reality.
>GRAPHICS
MGS V looks better not just in polygon count but also in artstyle. 4 was the epitome of brown and/or washed out.
>>340021876
>splinter cell
Funny, I actually reinstalled the first splinter cell because of V and realized how much shit you can actually do in V compared to other stealth games
I love the splinter cell series by the way
Well up until chaos theory anyway
>>340022286
It is, as long as we don't count spin-offs.
>>340021690
stealth isnt good if the enemy AI is braindead.
>>340022369
>no argument
>U HAVE LE HORRIBLE TASTE IN VIDEOGAMES xD
Ebin. Simply ebin
>>340022560
It's better than 2 and 4 and you god damned know it.
>>340020373
My anger for MGSV is now gone and transferred to the anger of MGS3HD Remake in FOX Engine.
>mfw pre-ordered GW2
As someone who appreciates both story and gameplay in my vidya, I was able to appreciate MGS 1, 2 and 3 for story and gameplay, and V for the best gameplay in the series.
Of course I didn't appreciate 4, because it failed in both departments, but every other numbered game in the series is equally great in my mind.
>>340022596
>if the enemy is brain dead
Every mgs game has exploitable AI retard
>>340022683
You mean doubled
>>340022261
I'm so fucking sick of this dumb meme.
MGS 4 cutscene time is 71 minutes, and the game is 18 and a half hours long.
MGS 1 was 11 hours long.
And no, having little of something can't make it bad you dumb sack of shit, keep your offensively stupid opinions to yourself.
>>340022669
No? 2 is great and 4, while being overloaded with cutscenes, had entertaining story and actual guns.
2 > 1 > 5 > 3 > PW > 4
Then again I only played 3 without the free camera.
>>340020373
All those theories we came up with while anticipating the game's release... all the themes we thought the story was going to portray.... instead we got a zero story tech demo for the FOX engine. All that brilliant voice acting talent and cheesy camera work wasted on nothing.
>>340022742
still doesnt mean the stealth is good numbnuts
>>340022683
You mean the remake that will never be because it's just pachinko bullshit instead?
>>340022515
>how much shit you can actually do
Would be nice if it was actually used for problem-solving and not "eyyyyh, look what I can do"
>>340022757
>MGS 4 cutscene time is 71 minutes
lol
>>340020373
alright, anons, in the scale of 1 to Mass effect 3, how much fucked up is MGS V?i didn´t played any MGS game, just watched ...
I never played a metal gear before but I had tons of fun with it gane of the year for me
You guys were just too hyped and entitled, maybe you cant even enjoy games anymore?
>>340022757
>mgs 4 cutscene time is 71 minutes
This is b8. Don't reply
>>340020829
>starting from the last game in the series
kill yourself kid
>>340022807
Pretty much the worst opinion in whole thread.
>>340021142
>Literally has Paz raped in front of Chico in Ground Zeroes
>Is evil and mysterious as fuck
>Isn't there for half of V
>>340020373
It was a letdown from the trailers, yeah, but the game was fun.
Honestly, you were pretty dumb expecting a good plot from MGS after Peace Walker.
>>340022861
>i didn´t played any MGS game, just watched ...
I'm not sure if I have a reaction image to say what I'm feeling.
>>340022839
You just gotta get creative with it mang
>mute sex object with zero character who moons the camera
Was Hideo socially tone-deaf or just wanted to flip the bird at 3rd wave feminists?
@340022902
Did a computer generate this post? Feels like it's been stitched together to contain phrases that get the most (you)s
>>340022861
Its mass Effect 2
>>340022807
>2 listed at best in series
Who let the "it's supposed to be shit" fags in?
3 > V > 1 > 2 > Sticking five toothpicks under the nails of each of your toes in your right foot and then kicking a wall really hard > 4
>>340023027
I like how you're implying that other waves of feminism are good, you nu-male cuck.
>>340022906
508 minutes, actually
there's still 11H of gamplay, which is more than MGS1 8H, and MGS2 7H, and only slightly less than MGS3
>>340023027
When u wir pray u wir be ashamed of your words
>>340022982
There's no point if it's inefficient.
Dishonored let you do cool stuff in an efficient manner, MGSV didn't really reward creativity. Still fun, though.
>>340022953
>you were pretty dumb expecting a good plot from MGS after Peace Walker
Have you forgotten the absolute retardation that was 4? 4 came before Peace Walker.
>>340022982
>you gotta go "eeeeeyh look what I can do"
literally what I said
>>340022920
he got it right in that 2 is a the top and 4 at the bottom
>>340022861
kill yourself cuck
>>340023030
>@
Lurk more, child
>>340023027
I actually cried when she died. Although it may have been just continued tears from killing the infected men mission.
>>340023106
That's nice, but what those statistics don't account for is that the "gameplay" that's being referred to is shit like Act 3 and Act 4.
When you shave off the bullshit, 4 has the least gameplay of the series (2 has VR missions)
>>340022392
>Meanwhile, normal people who enjoyed MGS and looked forward to it, but weren't thinking about it every minute of their lives got to play an excellent game. The story was shit, but the series story had already been ruined with 4 anyways.
This. The game wasn't the fan-fiction that MGSfags wrote themselves in their minds (muh loli Sniper Wolf), even though all the past MGS games had their plots spoiled by their trailers (2 being an exception). Episode 51 getting cut from the main game was a bummer though.
>>340022913
Do you want to buy me a ps3 and psp
Also who cares
>>340023159
4 had a good atmosphere and actual cutscenes, at least.
>>340022861
You played MGS4?
>>340022512
>Snake's Revenge
>Bad
>>>/thesnakesoup/
>>340022807
1>3>5>2>4>PW
Give it until MGS6 comes out, then /v/ will praise 5 and talk about how comfy it was exploring Mother Base.
>>340023030
Newfag
>>340023409
>until MGS6 comes out
Anon, i have some news...
>>340022392
You don't have to be overhyped to see the retarded design decisions and the blandness of MGSV TPP
especially when, you know, we PAID for a fucking demo that turned out to be way better designed than the fucking game
>>340021437
>good gameplay
Gameplay doesn't just consist of controls and mechanics you retarded cuck
>>340023409
MGSV was the last, anything new will be irrelevant/not canon or Pachinko
>>340022807
1 > 3 > 2 > Acid/Acid 2 > 5 > 4 > PW > Shit > POOPS
>>340023486
Uhh, yes it does. Level design and AI are game mechanics if that's what you're implying.
>>340023248
>shit like Act 3 and Act 4.
>When you shave off the bullshit
lel ok, then I'll remove all the "walk through a very sparse collection of shacks and fulton the objective" missions from TPP
Oh what's that, there's FUCKING NOTHING left? Too fucking bad.
>>340023030
Kys
>All that pre-release hype
>That "Oh shit" moment when BB starts gunning down children and his own soldiers in the trailers
>Everybody speculating all sorts of crazy shit about how BB starts going off the deep end
>People suggesting that he murdered the kids because they stole his diamond dogs
>Somebody posts how you can fulton extract child soldiers and everybody thinks you can actually add them to your army
>Theories that Skullface was gonna die early on and start going all Tyler Durden on you
>Theories that you join up with Skullface and start working with him
>Wondering whether or not your soldiers are going to betray you and that's why they point the laser at you and BB guns them down later
>Either that or you just undergo a PTSD meltdown or start hallucinating
>That one guy who suggested that the soldiers figured out about you starting the wars that killed their families and you have to kill all of them to prevent them from spreading the information
>Ideas where you have to kill everybody in a mission for S-rank to cement Big Boss' step into villainy
>Somebody points out that Sahelanthropus' spikes looks like a lot like the shrapnel in your head and that you might actually be having an hallucination when you're driving away from it in the car
>That fucking idea where the game ends with you infiltrating your unique and fully customized Mother Base as Solid Snake
>mfw this game was one of the biggest fucking disappointments that I've ever experienced and I will forever search for a story that does something like the trailers depicted well
>>340023510
>MGS 6 pachinko machines make you watch a 30 minute video every time you play
>>340023578
mechanics are part of the gameplay you dumb cuck
>>340020579
u didnt
1>3>V>4>2>shit>the rest
>>340023520
Only correct answer.
>>340023520
>Acid 1/2
>Better than shit
How to spot a hipster.
>>340023643
That's what I'm saying, retard.
>>340023578
Learn fucking English before you speak to me again
>>340022980
unless i played less than 20 minutes(because MGS 2 has a fucking ton of cutscenes),in friend´s house and was 8+ years ago, so nah, that didn´t count.
>>340023051
so , there would be a sucessor game who representsME3?
>>340023346
no, i don´t have a PS3.
>>340023228
keep mad, faggot.
>>340023118
Thanks hideo.
>quiet dresses like that because she breathes through her skin and wearing clothing would suffocate her
Why even bother making that up
>>340023258
>The game wasn't the fan-fiction that MGSfags wrote themselves in their minds
This is the real reason
People expected a fuckload of fanservice and every single detail of BB's life between PW and MG1 and hyped themselves up to an impossible to deliver hype
>>340023606
>those head transplant threads
FUCK I will never forget pre-V MGS threads, such a comfy time
>>340023823
KYS, kiddo
>>340023580
There's still way more left than Metal Gear Solid 4, you retarded faggot.
>>340023606
>That fucking idea where the game ends with you infiltrating your unique and fully customized Mother Base as Solid Snake
Yeah, because Outer Heaven in Metal Gear 1 was totally in the middle of the ocean.
>>340023840
>wearing clothing would suffocate her
>even though she is wearing underwear
>>340023772
it's not, learn english you stupid beaner
>>340023895
>those head transplant threads
I still find it crazy that the head transplant doctor was real. Like real world is now more ridiculous than MGS.
>>340023606
Literally anything that the fans speculated before its release was better than what we got. I would've preferred anything absurdly outlandish as long as it was a finished story, as opposed to fucking nothing and then a shitty unnecessary twist with no buildup
>mgs5 fans
>>340023902
Not really. There isn't a segment of TPP that comes close to Act 1
>>340023895
>head transplant threads
And it was so plausible too. People were so caught in the hype that I was swept along with it and thought it was actually possible that Kojima had partnered with a real scientist to advertise his game with what might actually be a real head transplant operation.
I wonder if he'll actually go through with it one day.
>>340023606
>>340023895
>Faggots that thinks MGS V is a huge disappointment are the same faggots that look back fondly on the retarded fanfiction threads we had about it for years before the game released.
I am so fucking glad you people got your heart broken when MGS V ended up failing your expectations of being MGS 4 Part 2: Now with Big Boss and instead preoccupied itself with being an actual fun and enjoyable game.
>>340021808
By mid-game you're picking up random thugs who are way better at robotics than that poor guy will ever be.
>>340023606
>make up sophisticated fanfiction before release
>react with indignation and outrage when the game's plot doesn't magically alter itself to fit
is this seriously the biggest criticism you can come up with?
explain why mgs5 got straight 10s from major review sites, i'll wait
>>340023606
>>340023923
>That fucking idea where the game ends with you infiltrating your unique and fully customized Mother Base as Solid Snake
>no mods for these
JUST
>>340023981
Of course the people whose likenesses kojumbo ripped off are real. Autist.
>>340022935
>>Literally has Paz raped in front of Chico in Ground Zeroes
he makes chico rape paz
>>340024026
The chapter where you save Miller in Afghanistan accounts for two thirds of the gameplay worth a shit of MGS 4
You add in other chapters and it's just an unfair fight. MGS V >>>>>>>>>>>> MGS 4. You're a faggot.
>>340024001
>twist
LITERALLY revealed in the very beginning of the game
>>340024148
lol, you mean that one mission, seriously?
walking through three shacks is comparable to you in quality?
VENOM IS GRAY FOX
>>340023606
>That "Oh shit" moment when BB starts gunning down children and his own soldiers in the trailers
>Theories that you join up with Skullface and start working with him
>Wondering whether or not your soldiers are going to betray you and that's why they point the laser at you and BB guns them down later
>Somebody points out that Sahelanthropus' spikes looks like a lot like the shrapnel in your head and that you might actually be having an hallucination when you're driving away from it in the car
Anybody who isn't retarded knew Kojima cleverly edited the trailer to make it look like things went that way
Hell he even said it's important to mislead the viewer and it's not like he's never done things like that before
>People suggesting that he murdered the kids because they stole his diamond dogs
Retarded
>Theories that Skullface was gonna die early on and start going all Tyler Durden on you
Very retarded
>That one guy who suggested that the soldiers figured out about you starting the wars that killed their families and you have to kill all of them to prevent them from spreading the information
Nonsensical
>That fucking idea where the game ends with you infiltrating your unique and fully customized Mother Base as Solid Snake
Literally fanfiction, you can't call something shit because it never delivered to your fantasies
>hype a game endlessly to create expectations that can't be met
>horribly disappointed
>hype a game endlessly to create expectations that can't be met
>horribly disappointed
>hype a game endlessly to create expectations that can't be met
>horribly disappointed
You fags have nobody to blame but yourselves. It's just a video game, stop building hype out of thin air and making it to be the greatest thing since toilet paper based on fucking trailers and you'll be happier for it.
>>340020829
>jumping into the series blind
Well you see, Metal Gear is one of the oldest vidya series, one of the few with an actual story worth following, that continued to unfold throughout decades, and the only one of those to have kept its original creator, and thus its integrity.
It's one of gaming's greatest monuments, and while the game is great, people simply expected more of the story that started 29 years before.
Yes, 29 years. You simply can't grasp how fucking huge TPP was to many people, and sadly you never will because there likely will never be another franchise of that caliber. And the worst thing is that it could have met expectations, because many of this game's missions are on the level everyone expected; people only wanted more, and a decent conclusion that gives this whole game a reason to exist.
I miss Solid Snake ;_; I thought he'd show up at some point since Liquid did.
>>340024194
That's why it's shitty
>Even Portable Ops and Peacewalker managed to tell a coherent story and enjoyable story unlike V
JUST
>>340024148
You mean the chapter where you do the same thing repeatedly and do the same thing in the same place in the same area over and over again. Wow. So good.
>>340024087
Because they were clearly paid or something. They even had to go to boot camps JUST to play the game early and they still had to sign strict NDAs. That totally doesn't sound fishy.
>THAT ONE LAST TRAILER
H Y P E 2015
>>340024212
>>340024270
You faggots are delusional and I feel sorry for you. Go play MGS 4 again and see how much great gameplay awaits you.
Revengence made more of an attempt to feel like a Metal Gear game.
>>340020373
They'll announce something at e3 right /v/?
>>340024323
Nice argument.
Go play with your fake guns I guess.
>>340024323
The first mission alone in mgs4 is better than anything in 5
>laying in bed and remembered mgsv
>remembered how hyped v was and how It could have been the greatest mgsv game
>thought I'd come and make a thread saying that mgsv could have been one of the best mgs games ever
>see this thread
Hivemind
>mfw all that hype before it came out
>we expected it to be the greatest of all time
>spoilers leak and people think it was too retarded to be true
>it was true
>>340024428
we'll always have the hype anon, no one can take that away from us
>Loved MGSV in spite of its shit story
>It has zero replay value and I can't enjoy replaying it from scratch
>>340024227
I've been with the series since Metal Gear Solid 1 was released, I played the fuck out of Metal Gear 1 and 2, I have played every game in the series but Social Ops.
Metal Gear Solid means a lot to me, and V was an excellent game with a disappointing story, easily 2015's GOTY. The story of Metal Gear Solid went to shit with 4, not V. V could have done nothing to salvage that disaster unless they outright contradicted it.
Don't try to make this narrative that all "tue fans" of the series dislike MGS V. I've been with the series for as long as you have, if not longer, and I can safely say MGS V is a pretty great game.
>>340024221
>>340024226
>I hate fun
>>340024380
I hope not.
>>340024227
>Metal Gear is one of the oldest vidya series, one of the few with an actual story worth following
Metal Gear until V was self-aware memery, retcons, and campy B-movie plot twists
>>340024221
>>340024226
see >>340024227
It's a very old and respected series that people have fucking grown up on, I don't think it's unreasonable to expect a decent and "epic" conclusion. Despite all the shit it gets, MGS4 did a great job giving closure and putting an end to everything. MGSV was supposed to be a missing link depicting how Big Boss turned out the way he did, and instead it did nothing but raise a bunch of questions and devalue the character in a really weird way.
>>340020373
why did you remind me...
>>340024380
nothing but pachinko
>>340024221
>you can't call something shit because it never delivered to your fantasies
You can when it pretends to.
No one likes to be made fun off, except when it's only to bait you and then switch it with something equally interesting.
Kojima tricked us, but had nothing to provide in place, except for the blandest and most boring story ever, without even a conclusion.
>>340024227
More like 18 years, considering it really all started with MGS1. Nobody really counts the MSX2 games, seeing how the first one barely has a story. Besides, Metal Gear already had an ending. It was called MGS4.
>>340024262
Portable Ops pulled off the whole missing link gimmick than PW or even V did. It was just a FOX HOUND origin story with Gray Fox and Roy Campbell in it.
I loved it.
>>340024518
>Being a complete moron and shitting on everything that isn't exactly the way I expected is fun
That would explain everything
>>340024227
I always wanted to play the early metal gears but I've only had a gaming pc, x360, then a ps4.
Is it worth buying a used ps3 to play the classic collection?
>>340024428
>browsing /v/ days before it released
>read a post sayingyou play as medic
>thought that anon meantthere's a mission where you do surgery or something
>mfw finishing that last mission
>>340024401
>MUH REAL LICENSED GUNS
>>340024416
Nah, the mission where you rescue Kaz is excellent and already has more gameplay than two thirds of MGS 4. You add in the mission where you rescue Huey and you already have more gameplay than all of MGS 4's stealth core gameplay + boss fights. It's pathetic, really, but them's the breaks.
>>340024509
>The story of Metal Gear Solid went to shit with 4
And soared back through the heavens with Peace Walker. And was put in the most perfect place with Ground Zeroes. And the bridge between that and the first game in the series was obvious. And shit, the story about Venom is great, it simply falls flat because it was so rushed, the villain dies a ridiculous death early on, there's no conclusion, and the point it tried to carry was lost somewhere in a cut mission.
>>340024227
>one of the few with an actual story worth following
No, stop this meme. The story in Metal Gear is a goddamn joke. It's entertaining solely because of how campy and over the top it is.
>>340024650
>make you pay for a fucking demo
>be surprised when people are unhappy that the quality of the demo was higher than that of the final product
fuck off kojimber
you can't berate people for building up hype on SOMETHING WE PAID $20 FOR
>>340020579
>>340021008
>>340022074
>>340023486
>>340023958
Not an argument.
Wow, /v/ really is filled with a bunch of irrational retards that only care about story and can't explain how the gameplay is bad, at all. How pitiful.
>>340024697
>already has more gameplay than two thirds of MGS 4
you're fucking delusional
>mfw this thread
>>340024697
The mission where you rescue kaz you literally just walk into the fucking building then walk out then call your horse and run past the supersoldiers. What the fuck are you talking about? You don't even need to tranq or even touch anyone. It was a fucking joke.
>mfw I stopped caring about MGS after 4
>mfw I could tell this game was going to be shit from the trailers and saved myself the disappointment
feels good being right
>>340024762
PW's plot was completely atrocious
>hey remember BB's character arc in MGS3
>what if, we like, did the exact same thing
What the fuck were they thinking
>>340024665
You can emulate the first Metal Gear Solid on a toaster, and there was a PC port of MGS2. Hell, there was a PC port of the first MGS as well, now that I think of it.
>>340024762
>Vocaloid robots and Hot Coldman
>Good storytelling.
Be honest /v/. Do you think it falls under "it's a good game but not a good (series) game"
>>340024604
MG certainly had a story, which 2 made really shine. And MGS1 was only interesting because it was MG3.
Dont devalue the importance of the original games, so successful they rereleased on DOS, NES and GB, and that plenty people had a dear memory of, as the first stealth games in the history of vidya.
>>340024836
>ignoring the post about mission design
It's ok Kojima. You'll make a good game someday.
>>340024885
it would have been a regular disappointment without GZ, but Kojima did a really good job of deceiving us into thinking he knew what he was doing
GZ was just so fucking good, the hope it gave us, like holy crap man
>>340024939
>go here
>kidnap/kill no-name bad guy
>repeat 45 times
Meh. It's fun for a bit.
>>340024939
It falls under the, "fun until you realize how shallow and empty the world is," category.
>>340024854
You get dropped into a mission area and told that Kaz is being held in a village. On the way to that village is another one, and it has intel that will tell you the exact building Kaz is in. You will sneak through the first village, find the intel, then make your way to the main village, going through several checkpoints on the way, and infiltrate the village that has plenty of guards. Then you carry him out, stealthily or violently, and get an escape chase with the Skulls.
There's more gameplay, and more varied gameplay, in that one mission than there was in an entire MGS4 act. It was an excellent way to start the game. Now if only more missions were that good.
>>340024939
No, because I hate this meme.
And anyway we were all ready for something fresh, that's not the issue there.
>>340024780
>quality of the demo was higher than that of the final product
>Worse UI
>Worse graphics
>Single map
>Worse animations, some of them don't even connect well
>1 weapon for every type
>That half assed Jamais Vu mission
>Worse optimization on PC
>10 minutes of cutscenes at the beginning of a demo
>>340024939
No. It's a much better MGS game than 4. It almost functions like an IQ test. If people hate it more than 4, then they're retarded, no questions asked.
>>340024770
This
>we're clones of one of the greatest soldiers ever lived!! I feel inferior to you so I must prove you are better than me!!
>MEMES. ILLUMINATI. PATRIOTS
>Can't even talk shit on 3's story cause its actually good. Still over the top. KUWABARA KUWABARA
>DUDE MACHINES IN YOUR BODY LMAO
>>340024990
>GZ was just so fucking good
I never thought it was that good. I thought it was good as a demo, giving everyone a taste of the controls and how some missions might play in the full game, but it gets old after an hour.
>>340024970
>Dont devalue the importance of the original games, so successful they rereleased on DOS, NES and GB
The DOS and NES versions of Metal Gear 1 weren't even faithful reworkings of the original MSX2 game. And Metal Gear on Game Boy Color was a completely different game.
>and that plenty people had a dear memory of, as the first stealth games in the history of vidya.
Which most of the gaming public never heard of until MGS1 came out.
Either way, the plots of the old Metal Gears were never particularly deep (except for 2 maybe) and most of it got retconned in the later games anyway.
>>340025079
>Single map
duh, that's why it was a demo, yes
>muh slightly worse graphic
literally who cares
the mission was actually designed like a fucking stealth game should be, with carefully hand crafted guard routes
>>340024665
>>340024907
>MG1, MG2
emulate MSX versions
>MG Ghost Babel
emulate GB version
>MGS1
PC or emulate PSX
>MGS2, MGS3
emulate PS2
>MGS4
find a friend with a PS3 and just bring the game, or just skip it
>PW
emulate PSP
>GZ, TPP
PC
All but MGS4 is playable on PC.
>>340024989
You mean the one that said
>it's bad because the design is bad, and I can't explain why
What a riveting argument. This board's denizens are so easy to tear apart.
>>340025131
>I thought it was good as a demo
literally my point
none of the camps are as well crafted, except for Skullface's lair, but this one is very linear.
>>340024557
I played all of those games when they were released and I still play all of them yearly
The difference is that I never came up with super urealistic expectations like visiting Shadow Moses, Skullface being an hallucination and ending the game as Solid Snake
>>340025193
>or just skip it
>>340020373
People here keep mistaking "EEnE Online" tier stories for completely normal expectations of MGS games.
The point is the experience we got was purposefully designed to be borderline satisfying across the whole board.
Gun customization, no licensed weapons.
Mother Base can be visited, it's dead as a doornail(even less interactable than in the gameplay videos)
You start out on a hunt to get back at Cipher, but all you really do is Miller's grocery list and get forced interactions with the most autistic character in the series.
You get to put an end to Skullface, without even a bossfight and no sooner than the part where he becomes the blandest villain in the series.
You get to fuck around with Liquid for a bit, then he steals your Metal Gear and you can only get to see a video where you get the job done.
The only way this game will ever be redeemed by anything like a Chapter 3 is a total reboot of the game's functions.
>>340024532
>>340024770
I'm sad to learn you cannot enjoy it. There's a real story behind it, it's not even too deep for you, you could grasp it. It seems you simply didn't bother with it.
>>340020373
>Skullface is a hilariously bad villain compared to what he did in GZ
>Psycho Mantis is a fucking demigod
>Brought in fucking Keifer only to have his entire dialogue in voice tapes
>You weren't even Big Boss just some medic you created.
I wasn't even hyped for this game until I started preloading it but holy shit I have never been more disappointed in a game this is ME3 levels of disappointing. I don't even know what Liquid did with Sahelanthropus and nor do I care because I knew the series was over right there and Kojima tricked us all and blew the entire budget on Quiet, 80's music, and Hollywood actor. There is a special place in hell for this fucking chink and what he did.
>>340024380
MGSV:Russian Rouletteedition
>>340024906
It's like we played a completely different game. Unless perhaps you meant to say that TPP replicates the same story as PW, which itself replicated from POOPS.
>>340025270
there is no post that said that though
but keep thinking that aligning half a dozen shacks and throwing a bunch of guards with half-assed paths in there constitute good level design
>>340025276
Yes, but a demo is just a demo. Not even that good either.
I don't see what people are still getting butthurt about with MGS5.
Yes, the advertisements promised something completely different.
However, the game itself is solid. If you were to take it into a vacuum, you wouldn't be pissed off at it at all. The problem was entirely in the hype train.
If you let yourself get really absorbed in the advertisements and the hype-train you really kind of are the only one to blame here.
See, the problem with a hype train on a game is that you start building the game in your mind before it even comes out.
Nothing will ever live up to the hype.
Was it the story the fans wanted?
Nope.
Is the story a main focal point of this game?
Nope.
It is clear that either Kojima or Konami or someone didn't really give a fuck about the story on this game. My bet is on Kojima. So many things just scream that there was a monkey wrench thrown into the story elements of production either half-way or during multiple points.
Like Kojima was just making up crazy shit as he went along and nobody could tell him "no that's dumb".
Meanwhile marketing and other departments kept on rolling.
There is absolutely no reason, none at all, for Venom Snake and Big Boss to be different people in this game. None. Nothing at all. You can remove that plotpoint and 90% of the content that is still there wouldn't have to be changed. My guess? A complete fucking gear shift from Kojima being retarded.
Wanting to make some sort of statement rather than making a story.
It happened in MGS2 and 4, blatantly. Where he wanted to do nothing but make a statement. Why not 5?
>>340024502
>zero replay value
That's the big problem for me when people say to just suck up the shitty story and play. I just can't start again because I don't care. Meanwhile I've gone back and played the old titles no problem.
>>340020373
dont remind me, op. i've gotten over iti think
>>340025392
>but a demo is just a demo
what's your point?
>>340025313
>you just DIDN'T GET IT
Oh, I understood it just fine anon. It was fucking infantile. If you think Metal Gear's story is good, you need to stop being 12.
>>340024935
>the idea of giving nuclear weapons to AI
>automating nuclear deterrance as a God's trigger
>all that life on Motherbase, those fully fleshed out characters, dem tapes
>fucking MSF
Storytelling was perfect.
>>340025060
Is this a joke? Use your binoculars. The 'mission' took less than 15 minutes. You can just fucking run everywhere and the braindead ai won't pick up on it unless you're 5 feet away or in front of them. It is a simple ass mission structure that is in literally every game what the fuck is so special about doing a side objective. And there was no chase with the skulls you can just run past them on your horse and they don't give a fuck.
>>340024557
>Despite all the shit it gets, MGS4 did a great job giving closure and putting an end to everything
By raping the series story and delivering on a game with barely no gameplay to boot?
>>340025313
I mean having a lot of story doesn't automatically mean it's compelling. Like, would you sit through en entire soap opera series start to finish? Or one of those daily-produced campy radio serials from the 50s which have literal years of backlogged tapes?
>>340022726
I agree with you fellow anon.
I get that some people are angry at some aspects of the games, but calling MGS outright bad is nitpicking a little too much.
>>340024939
Yes. Except as >>340024227 said, the story's importance was paramount.
>9/10
>9.5/10
>Game of the Year
>9.7/10
>5 stars
>Amazing plot
>Review camp
>Review camp
>What a twist
>Keifer Suverlamb does an amazing job, all those lines
>Review camp
>Gameplay is amazing
>4.5 stars
>Game of the Month
>PS4's system seller
>Review camp
>Konami
>Review Camp
>Open World
>Open World is the future of any series make it open world
>Open world review camp
>You can go anywhere
>Do anything
>Ignore any fetch quest
>10/10, the game we've all been waiting for
>>340025175
>slightly worse graphic
Draw distance stopped at 10 feet m8, you're a terrible devil's advocate
Not to mention the game had an incredibly fewer number of features, had Kaz speaking all the time, was clunky as hell when it comes to some animations like diving for example, had problems like enemies seeing you through covered fences, no alternative camos and more
You should really replay Ground Zeroes after TPP and see how much TPP improved the formula
I want to see how /v/ ranks the series without samefagging and people having pissfights with each other.
>>340025101
Come here
>>340025436
>still attacking that shitty strawman that people are angry because of le venom medic man
nobody cares nigger
>>340025436
>IT'S A LITTLE SLIMEY! IT'S STILL GOOD, IT'S STILL GOOD!
tpp fanboys are a laff a minute
>>340025478
That it wasn't good.
>>340025436
>If you were to take it into a vacuum, you wouldn't be pissed off at it at all.
The open world is still empty as fuck with little to do, mission variety and design is awful, and there are few areas that are well designed.
>>340020373
>tfw you don't fall for every hype
>>340025498
>And there was no chase with the skulls you can just run past them on your horse and they don't give a fuck.
By spending five minutes baiting them with thrown objects/getting just close enough to draw them in a direction.
>>340025585
>Draw distance stopped at 10 feet
stop playing on consoles
>had Kaz speaking all the time
oh yeah, unlike TPP amirite?
>You should really replay Ground Zeroes after TPP and see how much TPP improved the formula
How about you replay GZ and try to figure out what level design means.
>>340025498
Try not to over exaggerate so much, it makes it look like you don't know what you're talking about
>>340024990
>nobody gives a shit about GZ when it comes out
>people start praising it when TPP comes out
Zelda cycle.
You'll automatically love MGSV when 6 comes out.
>>340025139
>The DOS and NES versions of Metal Gear 1 weren't even faithful reworkings of the original MSX2 game. And Metal Gear on Game Boy Color was a completely different game.
Such considerations were kinda ridiculous back then. Story was mostly the same, gameplay was there, and it was fucking Metal Gear. At this point, it was like arguing which version of Street Fighter 2 was the best.
I myself had dear memories of MSX games, and retcons didn't change the core story anyway, but hey, maybe because I'm old enough for it, and you're not. I wouldn't expect even a 25 year old to understand, but then don't claim you do.
>>340025193
>emulate MSX versions
Play the MGS3 Substance versions, they are smoother and have official translation
>MGS2
Download the PC version
After some tweaking it goes smooth as butter
>>340025580
>anon realizes what happens when you review mgs5 as a video game instead of reviewing it as the ghost of a nonexistent fanfiction
I could do this with anything though so there's no argument here. Like give tetris a 0/10 because it's not 3D, even though it's not meant to be, because I imagined it in 3D and thought it would be way cooler.
>>340025603
>get to enjoy the game
>still play it to this day
>get to see Kojimadrones cry daily for almost a year
Literal GOTY.
>>340025705
>nobody gives a shit about GZ when it comes out
you're insane
don't even pretend you were here
>>340025690
Wow so hard run under the bridge and throw a magazine and they come slowly crawling as I run to my horse.
>>340025306
Or watch it on Youtube.
>>340020373
I enjoyed it.
My theory is the common held one that it didn't play like a MGS because of Venom.
>>340025721
I'm with you on the DOS and NES ones, but Ghost Babel is completely new.
>>340025791
You're extremely lucky if you managed it on a first try. When I tried it the first time they wouldn't even react to the magazines.
>>340025790
Absolutely no one was talking about GZ's level design, they were all talking about what TPP was going to be and memeing about muh fiddle.
>>340025694
He's right though, your runthrough was memorable and fun because you applied effort to make it that way instead of being handheld. Someone who didnt care already would take shortcuts, not get "into" the game, and be disappointed. I think that's what he did
>>340025878
Maybe I did get lucky but it was still ass and completely underwhelming
>>340025693
>oh yeah, unlike TPP amirite?
>Snake let me tell you for the tenth time in a row that this place is a black site
That doesn't happen in TPP, you can deny it as much as you like
>How about you replay GZ and try to figure out what level design means.
I did, the level design was very good but it wasn't open world as TPP
Intresting how you simply didn't give a crap about all of the other points that I made by the way
>>340025436
>Is the story a main focal point of this game?
Now read this perfect post: >>340024227
Still, the game partly met the hype. Some of the missions are absolutely stellar. Kojima and Kojipro proved they COULD make this game, simply half of it was cut, and worse, there's no proper ending.
The Venom twist isn't bad, it just falls flat because the content designed to carry it simply wasn't there.
>>340025770
I just wanted a good story and actual missions.
>>340025790
>before TPP
>"The fuck is this shit I have to pay for a demo, one map, where is MGS3 food throwing?"
>after TPP
>"BEST GAME, BEST DEMO, IT HAS A BASEMENT LEVEL DESIGN LEVEL DESIGN LEVEL DESIGN"
>>340025895
>Absolutely no one was talking about GZ's level design
BECAUSE YOU DUMB SHIT IT WAS A GIVEN FOR EVERYONE THAT A STELF GAME WAS GONNA HAVE CAREFUL LEVEL DESIGN
A MGS GAME AT THAT
NOBODY FUCKING IMAGINED HE WOULD JUST THROW A BUNCH OF SEMIRANDOM GOONS PATROLLING AROUND A SERIES OF ONE ROOM HOUSES
AND THEN ASK YOU TO WALK TO THE MIDDLE OF THAT "CAMP" AND FULTON A GUY
OVER
AND OVER
AND OVER AGAIN
>>340025990
>he expected good story from a talentless hack who's legacy will be making a shitty movie-game franchise with a story built upon ripping off countless books, movies and songs
>>340025606
>The open world is still empty as fuck with little to do, mission variety and design is awful, and there are few areas that are well designed.
I agree on that point. In Afganistan you keep hearing about how there are tons of Afganis doing shit but there's nothing going on. in MGS4 you at least got to see these different factions fighting each other.
There are several things that feel like it was ripped out of the game because they couldn't figure out how to balance it completely and this is one of them.
I also think the over-all design of it was that they kind of fucked up what made Peace Walker popular. Peace Walker was designed for portable systems and that is why you had the mission by mission system.
The pro to this is that you can make missions that are kind of like each other.
This works for games on a portable system where the expected playtime is like 1 hour or so, maybe even less.
For a major PC/console release that doesn't really work.
So it feels like the designed the game for portable console style of play.
To be honest, as someone who doesn't ahve a whole lot of time that won't get interrupted by some other shit, it works for me. But I can see how that is a blunder.
>>340025310
The worst fucking thing is..
Nuclear Disarmament might actually be the answer to all this.
He's always been a freak about being against nukes in every title.
Here you have the option to prove his point by eliminating the nuclear building opposition.
By making the game hollow, you give the player an incentive. By staging a fall out with the publisher, you strip them of hope.
The biggest dick move in the industry, by far.
>>340026041
Even though that's what it was shaping up to be?
Look at the gameplay videos.
He spent years showing how the game structure was.
>>340025490
Or perhaps you need to grow up until you can properly understand it. On the surface it's cliché, deep down there's a greater message. Not to deep though, but I guess it takes a certain experience in life to see it.
I mean, you at least realize that each game's technological level was on par with expectations of war and technology at the contemporary time of release, right? This never struck you as odd?
>>340025693
>stop playing on consoles
Hahaha what the fuck do you realize which game franchise we're discussing
>>340022757
Pretty sure just the ending cutscene is longer than 71 minutes.
>>340025916
You can't just run in and save kaz unless you ready knew where he was. You would only know where he is if you already played it or went and got the Intel at the other camp. Even then you can't just run past the "brain dead" AI without trigging at least one or two. And then you would get a shitty score
>>340024939
Not at all, I feel like you could maybe say that it's more of a "It's a good game but doesn't do its best at achieving what I wanted from this series"
It's still a way better game than 4, both as an MGS game and in general. I know that isn't particularly high praise, but I'm just saying.
>>340025952
>That doesn't happen in TPP
aahahahaahh are you fucking kidding me?
>CUT A MAN IN HALF
>Intresting how you simply didn't give a crap about all of the other points
yeah bro I'm sorry but a diving animation being a little janky is so goddam irrelevant to the point at hand it's funny you even think it's worth mentioning
>>340026131
>I have to get the worst version of the game because of the tradition
>>340025531
Missed the plot that transcends the whole series I see.
Things about what you are being defined of your own free will, the struggle of some to escape their genes, history, heritage and duty, how peace makes ground fertile for war, how fighting for peace inevitably creates more war, how you're always someone else's bad guy...
>>340020373
Honestly 5 MGS games before that kind of game me a headache
Especially Peace Walker that felt like MGS3 but with a mission structure
>>340026008
This. GZ was called a Jew move by everyone here but people still ate it up because it was a little bit of MGS to tide us over
>>340025721
>Such considerations were kinda ridiculous back then. Story was mostly the same, gameplay was there, and it was fucking Metal Gear. At this point, it was like arguing which version of Street Fighter 2 was the best.
Yeah, cause it's not like Kojima disowns the NES version of Metal Gear for changing the level layouts (resulting in a completely different game structure), removing the higher alert phase and not even bothering to actually include the titular Metal Gear. The plot barely matters when the rest of the game is completely changed. The DOS version of MG1 wasn't even a real Konami product (it was outsourced to some shovelware company).
>I myself had dear memories of MSX games, and retcons didn't change the core story anyway, but hey, maybe because I'm old enough for it, and you're not. I wouldn't expect even a 25 year old to understand, but then don't claim you do.
By "dear memories", do you mean you actually imported the MSX games when they were new or played them on emulation when MGS1 came out? Doesn't really matter that much, since most of the stuff in the MSX2 games barely gets brought up in the later games. They even changed Miller's racial characteristics between games.
>>340022757
Maybe MGSV has 71 minutes of cutscenes? Because 4 has 8 hours of it.
>>340025969
>read that post
I think what people were craving was a reason for Big Boss to have went full on bad guy. To turn his back on the world.
I would like to say, though, that perhaps that wasn't the point? in Peace Walker it was already kind of established that Big Boss was turning his back on the world. I guess this game was supposed to show why Miller, someone instrumental to what BB did, turned his back on BB.
Which was really fucking stupid, honestly.
>>340026098
that video where he infiltrates the first village looked like the patrols were actually thought out.
Variable, yes, but you know, well designed.
Nobody prepared us to the shittiness of Africa.
>>340026301
GZ was a jew move but still a legitimately better game than V
Even outside the context of MGS as a series, V is a shitty game, there's no getting around it
What hurts the most is how fucking good Ground Zeroes actually was.
It made me expect so much more. So many things went wrong with MGSV.
>>340021108
Holy shit I was just thinking about this image. Thanks.
>>340026064
>In Afganistan you keep hearing about how there are tons of Afganis doing shit but there's nothing going on
Where the fuck is everyone
Civilians occasionally get taken prisoner, their animals are wandering around, the game keeps talking about horrific attacks on villages full of people, we see dead charred corpses..but literally nobody tangibly exists in the world besides goons
>>340025952
>That doesn't happen in TPP, you can deny it as much as you like
You gonna extract him?
>that one autistic evans cuck
kys KID
>>340026371
>BUT DUDE JANKY DIVING ANIMATION LMAO
>>340026309
>The plot barely matters when the rest of the game is completely changed.
That's not even mention that the plot of MG1 basically amounts to "infiltrate the enemy fortress and destroy the final weapon" and ultimate twist is that "Yeah, I'mthe Medic" is the final boss.
Look, people, you can argue all you want, but if you legitimately say or imply that 4 is a good game or better than V, you have already completely been laughed off in the eyes of anyone with more than two brain cells.
It doesn't matter how disappointing this game was, it's not as bad as 4.
>>340026101
>You just don't get it man!
Consider this for a second. I totally get the message each game had. I do. It was still bad story and a hamfisted message. Not saying they weren't entertaining, the camp value and bizarre nature of each story kept me interested, but none of them are any good.
>didn't watch trailers
>all I did was replay MGS1-4
>all I was expecting was MGS
>didn't even get MGS
V was a massive disappointment, can't even refund this bullshit.
>>340026008
>>before TPP
>>"The fuck is this shit I have to pay for a demo, one map, where is MGS3 food throwing?"
Uh no that was before GZ release.
When GZ released I was surprised at how little shitflinging there actually was and the actual praising.
Then I bought it and yeah, it was fucking promising.
Kojima spent a longer time making GZ than he did TPP
>>340026362
>v is a shitty game
Nah. Enjoy your opinion though and feeling superior on an anonymous image board
>>340026371
>no bosses
>no story
>no cardboard box
>no knocking
>no different outfits
>no fun weapons
>no codec
>no weapon variety
>no enemy variety
>no camo index
>incomplete
>30 minutes long
>almost no tapes
>Skullface is a fedora tipping edgelord
>level design kills any kind of variety in gameplay, you either save Chico first or Paz first
>having to carry each prisoner individually to the LZ because no fulton
>health regeneration
>braindead AI
>ammo everywhere
>blind enemies because ''lol it's night''
>>340026191
>CUT A MAN IN HALF
It doesn't say it every time you see a gunship and it definitely says it once without calling you again to repeat it
And it's not even Kaz
It's like complaining about Kaz saying "You're gonna extract him?"
This is different, in GZ Kaz would call you twice or three times every mission for a 3 minutes monologue about how they interrogate the prisoners and the place is a black site
>yeah bro I'm sorry but a diving animation being a little janky is so goddam irrelevant to the point at hand it's funny you even think it's worth mentioning
Elaborated about the animations, features, UI, graphics, clunky feeling during gameplay, AI problems, no weapon variety and the fact that the demo starts and ends with a 10+ minutes cutscene but I guess none of that matters as long as it interferes with your core beliefs
>>340026371
How can it be good if it doesn't even have a metal gear in it?
>>340026521
what exactly did you hope to accomplish with this post
>>340026434
4 is better than V in story, gameplay, and multiplayer in regards to MGS. The whole complaint about V is that it's a good game but it isn't a good MGS game. If you don't believe this then you either started with V or haven't played any previous MGS games.
>>340026309
If you weren't born in 1987 and into vidya at the time, I don't think you can understand.
>just started replaying MGSV after getting thoroughly burned out and not touching it since December
I'm surprised by how much more I'm enjoying it this time around.
It's as if taking the game for what it is instead of what I expected and wanted it to be allows me to appreciate it better.
I'm really glad MGSV was a dissapointment because it destroyed the worst fanbase to ever grace this board.
I'm really glad MGSV was such a gigantic turd and that I got to see all these neckbeards whine for almost a year, this is who your talentless hack is.
Enjoy the death of your shitty franchise.
>>340026362
I'm taking the bait and leaving a (you)
>>340026536
>It doesn't say it every time you see a gunship
literally does tho
>It's like complaining about Kaz saying "You're gonna extract him?"
>This is different
how?
>elaborated
I really don't care about an animation looking janky in the grand scheme of things, is that so hard to grasp?
>the fact that the demo starts and ends with a 10+ minutes cutscene
in what world is it a problem?
>>340026525
Why does people keep ignoring this? GZ had tons of problems that TPP addressed and some of them are still found in TPP
>>340026553
Just sharing my opinion like you're sharing yours
What exactly are you hoping to accomplish posting on 4chan in the first place? Becoming a millionaire by getting dubs?
>>340026635
>implying it didn't die with peace walker
>>340026630
I tried that but realized I already played enough FarCry. So I dropped it for good.
>>340026635
nobody cares
>>340026635
what games do you play?
>>340026525
/thread
I have no idea what kind of autist hates TPP while loving GZ.
I guess the braindead MGS fanbase just gave in to the Zelda cycle.
Hope Konami doesn't make a 6th MGS because we'll have to endure the same autists who are now shitting on TPP, explaining why TPP was an underrated masterpiece and how ''comfy'' it was to run around motherbase.
>>340026362
I think MGSV is excellent. I've only played MGS1 before it though. I much prefer the gameplay in V.
i got plat
it was unfinished but i definitely had a lot offun and good memories
>>340026536
>It doesn't say it every time you see a gunship
yes it does
>>340023606
The funny thing was that the only thing that was correctly predicted was the medic thing.
Which was the most dissapointing and bland element of all the stuff that was speculated about.
>>340026696
More like passive aggressive snips in defense of an unfinished and inferior product.
Enjoy this evening!
>>340026610
I still don't get this meme
>>340026605
I was probably gaming when you were still a sperm in your dad's nutsack, kiddo.
>>340020373
It was fun. I enjoyed spending 100+ hours on it.
Maybe you guys should just have fun?
You know the saddest thing about MGS5 when it comes right down to it is that it does, yes, explain why you could fight Big Boss in MG1, kill him, and then fight him in MG2...
But in doing so..it cheapens the legend.
But I think that was the whole point of the game and of the series itself. That the legends are not as great as they are made out to be.
This is kind of pushed as far back as MGS1 where Snake is constantly trying to tell others that he's not as legendary as they say.
in MGS2 you play a person who, by all rights should be far more legendary than Snake, but still just in his shadow because of the legend that was made.
MGS3 the legend of "Big Boss" has its genesis but it comes from killing other "legends" which prove to be nothing more than one-trick ponies (the COBRA unit) and dealing with The Boss which its arguable that she threw the fight to die for her mission.
MGS4 Solid Snake himself tells you that the legends people are having over Big Boss are just outright shit and that if you really knew the guy you'd hate him as much as Solid Snake did. But simultaneously its the only game where an old legend lives up to its name.
MGS5 seems to be hitting all those points home. The legend isn't what you think it is. The legend requires multiple people to be as great as its told.
>>340026101
>On the surface it's cliché, deep down there's a greater message.
> I guess it takes a certain experience in life to see it.
Get your head out of your ass anon. Jesus.
>>340026768
MGSV wasnt made for MGS fans, so your reaction is pretty much by design.
>>340026767
>>340026525
>hurrr durrr why does a short demo has less content
>le Zelda cycle you guys
Jesus Christ you're retarded
>tfw you think mgsv is still good enough to be a goty
>>340026635
This, I love this threads and seeing these autists drown in a puddle of their own tears.
Not even needed to explain why Kojima is bad, these autists will do it on their own.
Maybe now they'll start opening their minds and look for franchises that are actually good.
>>340026804
You too friend! MGS V Is a good game!
>>340026687
>literally does tho
No, only when it's close and can see you and it doesn't even happen every time unless the gunship sees you
>how?
Kaz will say a 1 second line instead of going on for two minutes
>in what world is it a problem?
It already lacks content and there's also long cutscenes in them, how is that not a problem?
>I really don't care about an animation looking janky
Are you not reading what I wrote or are you simply a complete retard? I elaborated on more than just one animation
>>340026881
Weird, I'm a MGS fan since 1 and V is my second favorite in the series.
>>340026935
my condolences
>>340026887
>TPP IS WORSE BECAUSE OF CUT CONTENT
>THIS DEMO HAS LESS CONTENT
>GZ IS GOAT
>>340026819
What's there to get?
>>340026795
Except that I said that IN REGARDS TO THE MGS SERIES 4 > V. If you're comparing 4 to V alone, nothing involving series/title/recognition then yeah V is a better game but since I specifically said that it's IN REGARDS TO THE MGS SERIES then no. V was a horrible, horrible MGS game, 4 was a much much better MGS game.
>>340026316
Thing is, the game did show this, albeit it's hard to really understand why and how because so much is missing.
Venom DID become that bad guy: he claimed he killed those kids so he could save them, he did kill his own soldiers, again to save them, and because he was attacked on all sides, he acquired nuclear weapons, and the world felt threatened. Each and every time he was put in a situation where he was forced to do or claim he did horrible things, but because there was a greater good. Simply, only the bad things leaked out, and the game lacks an outside perspective.
This highlights Big Boss' story as well: he was always a good guy, but hey, let's fight for a "greater good". And in the end, by fighting for peace, all you do is fuel war. Because even if you're a good guy, you're still someone else's bad guy.
Big Boss and Venom were good, simply misunderstood. The Metal Gear series revolves around what is sometimes called "the escalation of peace".
I have a feeling konami saw what was going on with mgsv aka what we got and just straight up fired kojima kek
>>340026246
>>340026101
those broad strokes all get touched on because of how much time there is to fill and the settings are only war-related because the japanese have a fetishistic and repressed view of militaries and guns
the low-level storytelling props are things like "Lol giant ladder" and "Lol cardboard box" which is not compelling
>>340026842
>You know the saddest thing about MGS5 when it comes right down to it is that it does, yes, explain why you could fight Big Boss in MG1, kill him, and then fight him in MG2...
The weird thing is that they already had an explanation for BB surviving after MG1. He became a cyborg after eating too many rockets.
Hey, everyone, if you go check this thread:
>>340025101
You can see that the fags pretending V is a bad game are in the minority and just ruthlessly samefagging.
>>340027000
kek lmfao lol
I think its safe to say that Big Boss games are the cancer that killed the series
>>340026989
>nukes are evil
Drinking that Nip koolaid I see.
The game is ok
>>340026974
holy shit you're one dumb animal
yes of fucking course we don't expect as much content from a fucking demo
which is precisely why we expected TPP to be like GZ, but big
and it was anything but that
holy crap how can this fly over your head?
>>340026978
why is there a real doll of kojima?
>>340027046
Triggered af
>>340026973
On what? Enjoying a good game? Sucks to be you, buddy, maybe next time you should stick to playing video games instead of writing fanfiction and thinking about trailers for every day of your life.
>>340027000
lmaooooo :D
>>340026445
Well that's your problem then, tons of people liked it. Enjoy feeling superior for having less fun than others.
>>340027030
Its more like two guys repeating the "MGS3 is the best" meme to fill out the thread
>>340026820
Paul Christoforo?
>>340027079
But it does have more than GZ, so why are people saying GZ is better than TPP?
>>340026934
>having narrative content is bad because reasons
kys
>>340026610
>Hideous Pyjamas
>>340027079
>GZ IS GOAT
>It's a demo with barely any features
>IT'S OKAY BECAUSE IT'S A DEMO
Your logic is flawed
>>340027089
A doll? Idk famm
>>340026982
See:
>>340022512
I went into detail on how MGS 4 is a terrible MGS game in the Story section.
>>340027000
I'm sure Konami noticed that 10 neckbeards on /v/ were complaining about the game.
>>340027185
>But it does have more than GZ
Can you not read or anything? Because no camps were designed as neatly as Omega.
>>340027107
Nice projection.
While you spent 800 hours in a watered down Far Cry clone I long moved onto greener pastures. These threads are fun to shitpost in since everyone seems keen on celebrating their shit taste in games.
People only played MGS to get over the game gap in the PS1 library after ff7, right?
I can't see how such a forgettable game and series would become a literal meme any other way.
>>340026820
Sperms renews every two weeks, that makes my birth date even more vague. I was actually born in 1976, and I just turned 40.
You sound just like my kids talking about "daddy's old games about gay soldiers".
>>340027060
>mass murder of civilians is OK when we do it
>holding the rest of the world one electrical signal away from permanent destruction is OK to advance our politics
>>340027262
I don't remember seeing anything special about Camp Omega.
It was just a generic base.
>>340027132
Except if you look at number of posters and number of posts, that's not possible, you stupid faggot.
>>340027228
>Your logic is flawed
how so?
It's a great demo, that opened for a shitty game.
see:
>demo
>game
How is that hard to understand? The expectations set up by the demo weren't followed by the game.
>>340027128
But I did enjoy the metal gear story, it was campy, over the top and self aware, sometimes all at the same time. That's very unique, and I enjoy it a lot. I'm not dumb enough to say it's garbled mess of a story is good though.
>Enjoy feeling superior for having less fun than others.
Anon, the only one acting superior was you. Get some reading comprehension and come back to me.
>>340027249
Saying "b-but 4 is more retarded in story" when it's a fucking MGS game isn't an excuse. And it tied up and explained a good chunk more than anything MGSV had to offer.
>>340027330
t. butthurt MGS3fag
>>340027202
>A 30 minutes demo with barely any features and various issues is better than a well polished game that didn't live up to my fanboy wet fantasies
How is being retarded working out for you?
>>340027060
They're not, but they'll trigger an escalation, as does everything. Nukes just have this special place, because they're like "the ultimate weapon".
>>340027367
Are you implying MGS games have a good story?
>>340027287
>If only he realized his chocolate ice cream was actually shit. What a poor soul.
>>340027375
see
>>340027345
damn you're an idiot
Look, I'll put it out like this.
MGS4 was a failure in gameplay. It was far too story heavy and the gameplay promises it did (NOWHERE TO HIDE OPEN WORLD I SWEAR) ended up being a bit shallow. Each map is still the same old hallway from the other MGS games but now you have like 3 to 5 paths instead of just 1 to 3.
And of course the gameplay is always fucking taking a back seat to GROOVY TIME FOR A MOVIE TIME.
Likewise, in MGS5, you have a STORY FAILURE but a gameplay masterpiece. Listen, just take any given mission or group of missions in MGS5 and take a look at them. You have multiple points of "attack" multiple solutions provided to you, and tons of tools at your disposal to do so. You can choose to use certain tools or other tools and that will completley change your gameplay. The problem is...now the story is lacking.
>>340026824
it is a fun game that obviously had way more intended for the game after the single player campaign. Given the infiltrations and then eventually MGS3 online. However...considering that the infiltrations are tied to the actual game itself...
Well, I just have this sneaking feeling that this game was meant to be more episodic or that you were meant to participate in the infiltrations and online shit a whole lot more while also doing the story...instead of just holding off til the story was done.
>>340027310
>not aware of deterrence or MAD
There's a reason we haven't gotten any huge conflicts between nuclear powers anon.
>>340027309
>I just turned 40.
Honestly anyone still playing video games and lurking here after 21/22 (or 16 for pc gaming) has worrying manchild issues
>>340027389
>but they'll trigger an escalation
except when they didn't
>>340027397
My point was that MGS are inherently retarded in story, therefore saying that V is less retarded doesn't cut it as an excuse on why he thinks it's a better MGS game.
>people think Chapter 3 was cut
>when, aside from the title card there's not a single leftover file from it, not a single line, not a single little string pointing at it's existence
>>340027023
>the settings are only war-related because the japanese have a fetishistic and repressed view of militaries and guns
That explains all those cartoons about little girls dancing and drinking tea.
Did it occur to you that maybe the MGS series is all about war, or more specifically, the thought process of soldiers in the pursuit of peace?
>>340026893
>ywn have those eyes stare at you while she sucks you off
Feels bad man
>>340027375
>MGSV
>well polished
wew
Also only idiots refuse to see how GZ is a better game. You can say stupid shit like "lack of features" but a key point of GZs good design was its minimalism.
>No MotherBase bullshit
>no fulton
>just you and the mission, procure onsite
>>340026989
>Real Big Boss steals the professor working on the process of making super cheap oil and holds it hostage for power
>Real Big Boss is also gathering child soldiers and raising them to create a war cycle.
>Misunderstood
>>340027439
>Listen, just take any given mission or group of missions in MGS5 and take a look at them
Yeah, like that one mission where you had to Fulton a dude guarded by a half a dozen of Africans.
>>340027541
And that's why I only played GZ for 4 hours while I have 510 on MGSV.
GZ is just an even more cut down TPP.
A paid demo, nothing more.
>>340027403
Rainbow Sherbet is better desu
>>340027345
How is a DEMO with barely any features better than a full game full of features that fixed pretty much all the problems in the demo?
>The expectations set up by the demo weren't followed by the game.
That's completely subjective
If you expected BB to have a CQC boss fight with Skullface while being haunted by nightmares and had to stealth through his XOF unit while the game threw references to both Ocelot and Gene it was completely your fault
There was no mention or hint that it would ever happen
Your fantasies are the reason why you were so disappointed to being with
>>340027453
>On September 26, 1983, just three weeks after the Soviet military had shot down Korean Air Lines Flight 007, Petrov was the duty officer at the command center for the Oko nuclear early-warning system when the system reported that a missile, followed by another one and then up to five more, were being launched from the United States. Petrov judged the report to be a false alarm,[2] and his decision is credited with having prevented an erroneous retaliatory nuclear attack on the United States and its NATO allies that could have resulted in large-scale nuclear war. Investigation later confirmed that the satellite warning system had indeed malfunctioned.[3]
>what is first strike capability
Protip play Braid sometime
>>340027025
What?
15 posts, 13 posters, basically everyone agrees V is good.
>>340025101
>>340027349
I'm actually trying to get on your level by explaining to you the story is right there for everyone to see, but you won't see it. And then you act like it's not up to your standards. Yet you still don't get the story.
Eat a dick.
Sincerely,
Anon.
>>340027541
>IT HAS LESS FEATURES SO IT'S BETTER
Then why so many complaints about cut content in TPP?
>>340027630
>That's completely subjective
Yeah yeah sure, are we doing that again? Pretending that 5 shacks and a handful of niggers peppered around constitute level design?
>>340027287
>I long moved on to greener pastures
Which is why you're still in this thread replying
Your taste in videogames is shit. Sorry
>>340027498
Except they do. As do all sorts of weapons. Nukes put an end to it because there isn't anything bigger, but centuries ago, there was a similar escalation of armies, pikes and shields.
ITT: Retards trying to defend V being a good standalone game when the rest are pointing out why it's a bad [MGS] game
>>340027692
The wrong things were cut.
If you cut
>Motherbase & Fulton
>Buddies
>Openworld
Its instantly a better game
>>340027723
says the Vfag, laughable
>>340027756
>Except they do
except when it never happened
>>340020373
Well I have.
I've come to realize that my expectations for MGSV were too high, I expected it to have 200 hours of story content, a long story taking place over 10 years and leading up to MG1.
I expected a Rockstar scope/scale out of a series that just isn't financially feasible for a Rockstar scope/scale.
The fact that it was cross gen anyway was a big sign that MGSV wouldn't be as ambitious as Kojima claimed.
As it stands, MGSV is a solid 7.5/10, sure it wasn't as powerful as the trailers suggested(And MGSV literally has the best set of trailers for any video game) and it certainly wasn't the masterpiece we all dreamt of in the pre-release threads, but at least I've learnt not to get blindly hyped for anything again.
I'm getting Deus Ex 4, FFXV and Persona 5 but I'm sure not getting hyped for them, MGSV taught me well in that regard.
>>340027534
the MGS series is about hideo kojima masturbating to airsoft guns and reaching wildly for melodrama to fill the time
"War is bad :(" is kindergarten tier
>>340027760
Second best game in the series, I disagree with your assessment.
>>340027765
No, because what you get is Ground Zeroes, a game with no replay value, so instead of 500 hours, I would have played it 20 hours like the other MGS games.
>>340027765
>unironically enjoys a demo over a full fledged game
Autism. Your taste in videogames is shit. Sorry
>>340027479
You tell me that in 20 years.
Still, what's the point of a 30 year long video game series if you can only play it for like 10 years of your life?
>>340027661
>but this one thing ALMOST happened!
Decades later and we're still not seeing any major conflicts between nuclear armed powers. This is a fact. Deal with it.
>>340027582
>>340027582
My point is that you can take those missions and see them as pretty good gameplay examples in themselves.
The problem is that you have a mainline console/PC game being designed like a handheld game..
>>340027824
>second best game in the series
I really wanna see how you rate the games and why you even think it shouldn't be last
MGSVfags are the same as RE6fags in that they'll type themselves retarded in defending whats obviously a bad game by any standard
>>340027541
>stupid shit like "lack of features"
I didn't expect to ever find a stupid point like this
> GZs good design was its minimalism.
>You can enter the admin building from door A or door B or the vent that takes you 2 feet behind door A
>It's ok when GZ does it because it's minimalism!
Do you realize how stupid that sounds?
You're saying that less variety is good because it's better to have a limited map with few entry points rather than multiple points
Can we also talk about the fact that you can interrogate the whole camp and nobody will tell you nothing about the objective and they'll either not talk or tell you where ammo and 3 comrades are? Give me a break
>>340027903
It's funny how you say ''MGSVfags'' when the only ones crying about MGSV are a handful on neckbeards on the internet.
>>340027686
>is right there for everyone to see, but you won't see it.
I do see it anon. You're acting like I don't for some reason. Like you can't imagine someone not liking something you like. You might have autism anon.
>>340027582
That mission was great, what are you on about?
>>340027903
It is fitting that they both have amazing controls and mechanics but a terrible everything else
>>340027880
>My point is that you can take those missions and see them as pretty good gameplay examples in themselves.
If there was ONE of them sure.
Don't try to pass it off as "oh it's just a bad story". Lack of mission variety is a BIG gameplay issue.
>>340027818
MGS2 isn't about that in any way you swine.
>>340027861
The entire existence of Phantom Pain is against the concept of a "full fledged game".
Sorry, Ground Zeroes doesn't make me feel like the developer pissed in my cereal.
>>340027927
I literally just told you what needed to be cut from MGSV to improve it, dont bring up this peripheral bullshit then huff around like you made a point.
>>340024005
Hey i think i took my picture with the dude with the bluish headband just to the right of the box. Was at comic con in Austin last year.
>>340027903
>a bad game by any standard
Nope.
>>340027984
lmao, RE6 is unplayable garbage, at least I can have fun with MGSV.
>Make up fanfic tier theories that could never happen
>Dissapointed when they really don´t happen
this place once again proved it´s filled wiht 14yo fanfic writers
>>340028070
oh I forgot graphics are still important to some of you, MGSVs were decent I guess
>>340028035
Maybe you shouldn't overhype it next time
>>340027957
Don't argue with metal gear babbies. They're literally stupid enough to think Metal Gear is deep or the story is good. Just laugh and move on.
>>340027879
>Decades later and we're still not seeing any major conflicts between nuclear armed powers
Are u serious
Do you know what a proxy war is and why hundreds of thousands of human meatshields were forced into slaughtering each other by their nuclear puppetmasters literally all throughout the cold war
>>340028097
Try hanging yourself, you fucking dolt.
>>340026525
Besides the obvious, a lot of those were problems with MGSV, a game with a giant budget and full price. There were barely any bosses and the ones that were in the game were total garbage. The game is incomplete, and even the online portion was heavily delayed and garbage. Codecs are basically one way and only quick observations. Camo barely matters since the AI is dumb. There is barely any variety in the gameplay as like 90% of the missions have you going into some small outpost and extracting/killing/tailing a guy that has no impact on the plot. Weapons hardly matter, especially if you're going non-lethal. If you're going lethal, just stick to upgrading the first rifle the game gives you. And to top if all off, unfinished story and they didn't even try to hide it.
But I guess some people are into the whole Far Cry gameplay. Not for me, especially with added grinding.
>>340028097
You can also have fun with Skyrim. It doesn't make the game good, it just shows your taste is shit
>>340028142
I haven't seen a video game with a deeper story than MGS2, good writing or not.
>>340027576
Nice illustration of what I just said. Really.
Because that's only what came out of it. What were is real goals remains a mystery. Maybe he needed this scientist to complete his Metal Gear with which to ensure his safety and continue fighting for peace? Maybe training those kids was bad, but they would fight for peace then, for a greater good, and thus expandable?
That's the whole point: you don't feel evil, but to someone else you are. That's the escalation of peace: harsh decisions taken to prevent war but that nonetheless fuel it.
Because no one is truly evil. No one wants to see the whole world burn. Everyone has something, somewhere, that they love, and they're defending it, and in their view, no matter how much they kill, they're doing it for peace.
>>340028113
>the graphics are the only thing good about mgs v
Nope
>>340028165
>Do you know what a proxy war is
Yes, it is not a major conflict between nuclear armed powers. Thanks for playing.
>>340027861
Nothing wrong with that when it's outrageously better.
Like, do you think you're making a point by pointing out that GZ is way smaller?
Being big doesn't mean it's good. You sound like the lowest kind of trash, the kind of person who unironically enjoys shitty JRPGs or MMOs because of their length.
>>340027863
I think you're right, actually. Sorry.
>>340028175
Exactly, both games have issues, and they share most of them, saying one is better than the other when GZ is just an even more cut down TPP is retarded.
>>340021893
>You don't play a video game for the gameplay
Hang yourself
>>340028212
it certainly isnt the gameplay
>inb4 but the controls are smooth so that means good gameplay
>>340027765
>cut motherbase and fulton
>cut high level FOBs where stealth gameplay shines the best
>cut buddies
Yeah 2 horses were unnecessary
>cut openworld
>"I want 2 second loading screens and more borders"
>>340027802
So you're saying there's no escalation of nuke?
WHAT IS THE FUCKING COLD WAR???
>>340027185
GZ has less content, but it's still better than TPP
>>340028195
Are Kojimadrones the Snyderfags of videogames?
>>340028169
RE6 apologists are literally the most delusional idiots on /v/, MGSV has amazing mecahnics and occasionally level and game design.
RE6 is putrid shit apart from Leon's campaign it's fucking trash compared to MGSV.
>>340028230
I'm not even the same guy you've been arguing with kek. Its almost like there's multiple people on 4chan who think you're retarded
>>340028265
>forced online is ok
>wasted space is ok
>>340027818
Join the army and tell us.
And isn't saying it's "bad" though, the MGS series is one big acknowlegdment that peace is hard.
>>340028276
>WHAT IS THE FUCKING COLD WAR???
Not an actual war, unlike what would have happened without nukes?
>>340028217
>Proxy wars have been especially common since the close of World War II and the rise of the Cold War, and were a defining aspect of global conflict during the latter half of the 20th century. Much of this was motivated by fears that direct conflict between the United States and Soviet Union would result in nuclear holocaust, rendering proxy wars an ostensibly safer way of exercising hostilities.
>>340028289
Why?
Because you didn't have any expectations for it?
>>340028295
>No argument
Are you 12?
Fuck off if you have nothing of substance to post.
>>340028234
No, I honestly like GZ more. It was a cheaper title with more focused gameplay. I felt like I was actually playing a Metal Gear game where I could infiltrate a facility. This is what MGSV should've been. It should've been more about dropping you in front of huge facilities to tackle anyway you want. MGSV felt like I was playing a lesser version of GZ multiple times, but for full price this time.
>>340028312
My post was entirely in response to yours.
Glad to see I aimed straight.
>>340028321
>forced online
?
>>340028138
Maybe you shouldn't jump to conclusions.
I think there's something yet to be achieved in this wreck of a game. Nothing will change the fact that this game is made to be lacking on purpose; a suicidal move for every developer.
Thank god Kojima was always more of a rockstar.
>>340028038
>no fulton
How is calling the chopper 20 times and manually extract people better than fultoning them? You're making no sense
There's a reason why they changed that from Portable OPS to Peace Walker
Not only it would risk getting caught, but you would have to stray from the objective to carry a guy that you don't give a shit about but it's useful for the progression of the game
Now think about how many times you would have to do that to build your army and your means to beat Skullface and the Metal gear
That's stupid, slow and uncomfortable and it would have been criticized by everyone
>No MotherBase bullshit
Would have meant taking out the FoB feature and give up both a nice but unbalanced feature and the ways of stealing resources and nukes, giving up on one of the messages Kojima mean to deliver
>just you and the mission, procure onsite
>In GZ you started Assault rifle, tranq gun (with infinite suppressor by the way), C4, grenades, magazines and Flare grenades for support
>All of a sudden it's not okay anymore
Get your mind straight
>>340028343
There were plenty wars by proxy, so yes, there were wars. And it's a fucking miracle it didn't all blow up.
Splinter Cell Blacklist was a legitimately better and more fulfilling gaming experience than MGS V
If you didn't play it and just want to kneejerk reaction post based on some shitposting gifs, fuck off.
>>340028345
>major conflict between nuclear armed powers
Do you need help reading anon?
>>340028404
Those high level FOBs arent happening without online
getting ride of VR missions was one of the biggest mistakes Kojima ever made
>>340020373
>tfw you still can't get over MGSV
YOU HOPE HATRED MIGHT ONE DAY REPLACE THE PAIN BUT IT NEVER GOES AWAYI fucking love MGS V God tier game for me
>>340028410
>How is calling the chopper 20 times
which ironically is what you'll do in a session of TPP gameplay
>>340027185
GZ is better.
If TPP consisted entirely of well designed areas and missions with plenty branching paths like in GZ, no one would be complaining.
>people saying MGSV is a bad MGS as if this was something bad
MGSV is the first actual videogame in the franchise that doesn't force shitty cutscenes every 5 minutes.
The first game of the franchise when gameplay actually matters instead of just being a means to get to the next cutscene.
It being a bad MGS is a good thing, any game being a bad MGS is a good thing.
>>340028254
>day night cycle affects missions
>guards actually evolve as the game goes on with helmets and night vision goggles
>companions that do different things
>motherbase management for number autists
>DA GAMEPLAY ISNT GOOD CAUSE IT ISNT LINEAR LEVELS xD
>>340027984
Not really. MGSV has great presentation, but when you take a close look at the mechanics, they're kind of fucked up. The movement, while well animated and probably the most appropriately weighty of any game I've played, has minor inaccuracies. It's impossible to do a perfect direction change as Snake always steps into a direction change. You can easilly demonstrate that by using a keyboard and pressing A and D in rapid succession. Instead of switching between left and right, Snake will move forward.
It's not a huge deal, but once in a while that one off step will get you caught. It's similar to the problem in Thief: Deadly Shadows, just nowhere near as bad.
>>340028510
How is GZ well designed, and what do you mean with branching paths?
>>340028454
How are FOBs forced?
LE VIRTOUS MISSION IS BETTER THAN MGS3 XD
>>340027327
Outside of camp Zero, nothing in TPP is as well designed as Camp Omega
>>340028504
>which ironically is what you'll do in a session of TPP gameplay
Now you're simply shitposting
You barely call the chopper ONCE for extraction and that is if you don't get out of the hot zone on land or with a container
Did you even play the game?
>>340028403
Your taste in video games is shit. Sorry
>>340028431
I find it funny how the only times people talk about Blacklist is to say that it's better than MGSV.
Never saw any legitimate discussion about that game.
It's one of the most forgettable games Ubisoft has shat out in the last years.
>>340028625
Tell us more about how you love grinding.
>>340028593
The Honey Bee mission.
MGS3 Pachinko is the biggest fucking kick in the nuts after mgs5.
FUCK KONAMI
>>340028265
>FOBs
>good
kid...
>>340028442
the point is that the US and ussr building up nuclear arsenals didn't in any way prevent conventional war from breaking out, it just shifted where the deaths were happening (americans vs NVA which were fueled by the russians, russians vs mujahideen fueled by the US)
>>340028593
I'd like it if someone explained why Camp Omega was well designed when it's just a forgettable base.
>>340028512
Instead of cutscenes, now you get forced traveling times where you're dropped far away from your objective every time. On top of that, enjoy analyzing and fultoning soldiers and the real-time grinding. All of that together probably adds up to something similar to the amount of cutscenes found in MGS 1 or 2.
Why would you shitpost on a video game imageboard, anon?
>>340028504
I love how you faggots exaggerate the amount of time spent on the helicopter and on menus "grinding". You're so full of shit and everyone knows it.
>>340028001
> Lack of mission variety is a BIG gameplay issue.
I'm not denying that point.
What I am saying, though, is that taking these missions for what they are, even just say, 5 at random, and its a very wonderfully designed game in the aspect of pure gameplay.
The game gives you tools and very well defined rules and you go at it however you want. Open world games should learn to do this.
The repetition is a failure in other aspects. Like I said, it feels like they tried to make this game more like a portable console game. In a portable system, you might not care about playing the same sort of mission over and over again. You're only playing for like what, maybe 30 minutes at a time? maybe an hour?
You as a person are going to be more accepting to doing repeats of that because of how much its spread vs in a mainline console game where you may have set aside at least 2 or more hours to play.
You get what I'm saying?
If this game was on the PSVita people would rate it 5/5 10/10 GOTY/AY
>>340028530
>>companions that do different things
>>motherbase management for number autists
none of these things are good.
Day/Night cycle and guard changes are goo features but horribly implemented.
>Can just cheese D/N cylce with Phantom Cigar
>Guards get buffed but its nothing if you have the high level bullshit gear to instafulton
>>340028716
An insanely well designed base.
>>340028512
This holy fuck. For the first time in the MGS series I wasn't assaulted with 20 minute cutscenes every time I entered an area
>>340028754
And, of course, no explanation because there's none, this is just /v/eddit trying to be as contrarian as possible.
>>340028697
Far fewer deaths than what would happen in a major conflict between nuclear armed powers. Thanks for playing.
Next time you think to yourself "/v/ hates MGS V"
Just remember:
>>340025101
19 posters, 22 posts. The majority agree that MGS V is good.
"MGS V is bad" is just a retarded meme perpetuated by a few losers.
>>340028674
Definitely a highlight of the game, but boy is it disappointing, especially when climbing the bridge, and the grotto part.
Somehow I expected more complex pathing than finding one guy at a time in my way.
>>340028691
Go on.
>>340028671
Sorry I don't play persona. Your taste in video games is shit. Sorry
>>340028572
Each mission can go many different ways. Let's take the most often criticized one where you get a tape, and only need to sleep in the truck.
You can meet with the informer, get the location, get the tape and leave. You can question why it's right underneath a camera, and go back to question the informer, thus learning it's the wrong tape, and that another guy has it, and get it. Optionally, you can question that other guy for more information. You can spy on the conversation between the two, where you learn the informer set you up, and that the other guy has the right tape. You can randomly stun/kill the other guy and get the tape, albeit not knowing which tape it is, thus requiring you to get the other.
And that's just a 10/15 minutes long mission. Few missions in TPP are that deep.
>>340028720
None of those will ever be as boring, annoying and pointless as the cutscenes that have plagued this franchise from MGS1 to 4.
I still don't know how I managed to sit through MGS4's 72 minute long ending cutscene, but i'm glad Kojima remembered that he's making a videogame.
>>340028754
I didn't think it was that well designed. Better than most of the shit in Phantom Pain, but that's not saying much.
>>340028732
>The game gives you tools and very well defined rules and you go at it however you want. Open world games should learn to do this.
pls not
games should give you a challenge
I hate this "just go at it however you feel like lol, it will all work anyway" shit
>>340028737
>they aren't good cause I didn't like them
Nice dude
>>340028530
>day night cycle affects missions
>guards actually evolve as the game goes on with helmets and night vision goggles
Neither of these make up for for the flaws in level design, the absurd downtime between missions, the terrible sound design, or the repetitive mission design.
>companions that do different things
Yeah and those things are: one that's easy mode, one that plays the game for you, one that does nothing, and one that's actually fun.
>motherbase management for number autists
This was entirely detrimental to the game.
>DA GAMEPLAY ISNT GOOD CAUSE IT ISNT LINEAR LEVELS xD
Look at Groznyj Grad, look at Camp Omega. No one's asking for linear levels, they're asking for levels that aren't haphazardly throw together, copy pasted bullshit.
Was the Hurt trailer killed?
>>340028856
you look pretty fucking mad, how close did I hit?
>>340028861
Oh look, someone overexplaining a mission when shit like this happens all the time in TPP.
>branching paths
Which is absolutely pointless aside from getting different post-mission dialogue, which happens in TPP too.
>>340025270
>mission variety in GZ was better than in TPP
>no rail segment, no damn use of the Helicopter Minigun at all, just for that scripted Sully Scene
>Chaptre 2 is reused missions from Chapter 1
>"Last" Mission is just the first mission again
so much for Mission variety, and the lack of bosses falls into game design too
MGS4 is better by default than MGSV because the bosses in 4 are interesting and challenging and actually exist.
>>340028948
>Buddies are nothing but casual crutches
>Mother Base is literally a glorified mobile game that adds nothing and actually gimps the stealth gameplay
I'm sorry you dont know anything about games but this is the honest to god truth
>>340028580
They are.
Nobody ever gets banned, there is no off switch.
Most of us underestimate the meticulosity of the design of this particular game.
Everyone who reaches E46 will have about 150k Heroism by that point, and achieve the Hero status, that's when the nuke fun begins. Like it or not, Chapter 2 is FOB.
>>340029001
Why?
He enjoyed MGSV.
It's you and Kojimadrones who have spent a year rolling around in a puddle of your own tears.
>>340029002
>shit like this happens all the time in TPP
mh mh
"Sandbox" gameplay is a meme term developers use to obscure empty games with little content and variety. Just make a large map, make it look pretty, drop in some goons and outputs, fart out collectables, add in some upgrades for the carrot on the stick, and casuals will defend your game by thinking it has EPIC GAMEPLAY. I want video games to die.
>>340028647
Maybe that's because /v/ is full of shitposting hyperbolic retards like you that would go into a thread about Blacklist and derail anyone that would've tried talking about ti when it came out by posting meme images like, you know, any fucking time you try to talk about a game that the /v/ hivemind likes to memepost about like a bunch of mindless retards?:^)
>>340029015
>the bosses in 4 are interesting and challenging and actually exist.
No they are not.
MGS4 will always be, by far, the worst piece of shit Kojima has ever shat, which is amazing considering he has never done a good videogame.
>>340029002
>happens all the time in TPP
Certainly not with so much depth, only a couple missions are this good, and just so you know, this goes well beyond secondary objectives.
>aside from getting different post-mission dialogue
What about the dialogue DURING the mission?
>>340028831
>"MGS V is bad" is just a retarded meme perpetuated by a few losers.
it's stealth begging to be explained the game without sounding too noobish. a lot of people still believe that lord of the flies episode should have been in the game. V is the absolute pleb filter
As a nihon man would say, the game is missing "punch"
>>340028809
>Feels realistic and not gamey like so many other stealth levels in games
>Guard placement is spot on perfect
>Using practical ideas to lure guards rather than shitty objective markers telling you where to go
>Cool secrets that you learn if you listen to guards around the base
>Multiple ways in and around Chico's and Paz's cages, but again doesn't spoonfeed the player with stupid objective markers
>Careful vehicle placement to allow you to escape
Care to explain why it isn't well designed then?
>>340028971
>level design
Here's those words again and no description.
Its late at night, I'm almost done with MGS5, i'm on a mission where Quiet gets raped and then also the same mission where she eventually just leaves.
So fucking hard, spent so much time trying to do those missions without problems.
Grandmother I was close to had just died a couple months ago and was still dealing with the fallout.
Quiet is now gone forever.
Its past midnight.
Get back to motherbase.
>>340029064
>enjoyed MGSV
>not a Kojimadrone
I mean I'm glad you just half-wordedly admitted you don't like MGS anyway, but still.
I've played every MGS game from beginning to end, even rising.
In my opinion, venom snake is vastly superior to naked snake. Venom was the one who was out in the public most of the time, he fought the brunt of big boss's war, even after realizing he wasn't the real big boss. The real big boss ran away to mexico or some shit.
>>340028276
Zero (0) escalation
>no personality
>moby dick references instead of jokes or even exposition dumps
>story butchered to reference Moby Dick and Bowie's song
>pre-recorded tapes instead of dialogue
>retarded level design (OKB Zero is good tho)
>shit bosses
>literally every single fan theory from hype threads on /v/ sounds more interesting and makes more sense than the story of MGSV
>cut ending
>the last mission in 28yo series is a copypasted tutorial with a cutscene at the end
>50% of the plot is contained in the credits after The Man Who Sold The World mission
>>340023606
>oh man i wonder what happened to chico after gz
>tape says hes dead and is never mentioned again
oh.
>>340029129
>What about the dialogue DURING the mission?
You mean Kaz mentioning
>OHH, YOU FOUND ANOTHER TAPE, INTERESTING
Such depth.
MGSV's story is way better than people give it credit for.
It's just conveyed through bad writing and fucking cassette tapes.
>>340029001
Your taste in video games is shit. Sorry
>he's still going to reply to this
>>340028831
Good you didnt say one good or one bad thing in your post.
Leave the disscussion to the adults, plz
>>340029190
This is true.
As shitty as the gameplay was, the story was somewhat tolerable with interesting subject matter.
>>340029163
Of course MGSV is the only MGS I enjoyed.
It's the only one with actual gameplay and the story of the entire franchise is pure trash, so i'm glad there's little of it.
Can't believe people unironically praise this franchise because of it's ''writing'' when it has always been walking cliches on a B-movie background.
>>340028580
You playing PC bro? Ever want to replay the game from scratch? Well fuck you - you can't. If you ever delete your save you'll still have all your FOB resources so none of the resources you scrounge around for at the start of the game mean jack shit.
>>340028831
>The majority agree that MGS V is good
No they don't, fuck off.
>>340029126
Anyone who dislikes MGS2 is literally tasteless.
>>340029159
>Quiet gets raped
Nigga you better check yourself, she almost gets raped. But before they could even get her clothes off she cut their dicks off.
>>340029268
I'm sorry, but a handful of irrelevant neckbeards on /v/eddit don't change anything.
>>340029291
Oh yeah, we can forget about all that deep symbolism, muh illuminati, muh VR theory.
Totally not film-school project tier writing.
Reminder that there are people who unironically think the MGS franchise was good at some point.
>>340029185
>TPP fanboys have to resort to shitting on branching paths to defend their turd
sad to see
>>340029190
>10 minutes of tape explain ending
>good
>twist is obvious to anyone not retarded in the first half hour
>good
>Major Plotholes like Quiet knowing about the Virus, not telling anyone or at least trying to explain
>good
>SUCH A LUST
>good
>references and themes that didn't got fleshed out and just hang around the game
>good
>>340029339
Even the neckbeards on /v/ agree that MGS V is a good game. You can see for yourself:
>>340025101
>>340029301
Given the context, it is implied that the rape isn't something that was new for that day.
>>340029339
Not even that, MGS2 has so many minute details packed into it that already make it masterful, never mind the story.
>>340029395
>branching paths
>it's just different bits of dialogue that don't affect absolutely anything
>>340029339
V is shit, kiddo
I'm sorry you paid $60 and now experiencing buyers remorse
>>340029467
>V is shit, kiddo
/thread
>>340029443
Yeah, every image is so dense, it has so many things going on.
>>340029467
>>340029496
No, I got it for free with my 960, and I had quite a bit of fun.
>>340029415
The handcuffs were pointless, she can phase her body through them, she gave herself up willingly, and even while nearing unconsciousness she can still do all her insane combat shit. There was no rape brother.
Also you could have just not done that mission, you can finish the game without ever doing it, and putting a butterfly in your emblem keeps the mission from even showing up.
If you want her back now you can just play the mission where you get her 7 times in a row.
>>340029185
So you listened to neither the tapes nor the interrogation, and then you say it's not deep?
>>340029509
Step up m8.
>>340028737
>Level progression is bad
>Gameplay variety is bad
>AI behaviour variety is bad
What the hell is wrong you
>>340029527
She was wearing clothes. As you may have figured, she doesn't like clothes, she chokes in them.
>>340029538
I have, all I got was an edgelord explaining why his skin was burnt.
That's all it affected.
>>340029630
There were two tapes, that's only one of the two. Checkmate casual.
>>340029509
>le look how many hours I've played
>it must be good
GZ was better
There are only 4 objectively "great" MGS games
MGS1, Ghost Babel, MGS2, Ground Zeroes
End of discussion
MGS V has some amazing themes and it's wholly apparent what Kojima was going for
The problem is the storytelling is complete and utter fucking shit. And because of how it ends, the story as a whole is also fucking shit.
Let's assume that yes, he WANTS you to feel disappointed, and to reflect on the events that happened and realize that themes of the game were about exploring colonial imperialism in undeveloped countries, how world powers like Russia and the USA rape the world, and trying to drive in that this is what leads to lusts for revenge, but that seeking revenge isn't fulfilling. The problem is none of this is balanced out with the rest of MGS V's continuity within the universe, because Kojima literally doesn't care about continuity. However by doing these he robs the story of a plethora of dramatic pulls, and you wind up going into Chapter 2 expecting EVEN MORE than you did when you were playing Chapter 1.
There is a way to tie up your story threads that is well-rounded and doesn't feel rushed while also driving your themes home. Kojima fucked up, royally, because he mismanaged the design.
He had vast amounts of funding, and GOOD game designers have worked on making fulfilling experiences for much less, even when their studios started pulling back funding and making development difficult.
>>340029015
>mission variety in GZ was better than in TPP
1 map and no story for every missions is bad
>no rail segment
There's an entire mission on rails, did you forget about that?
>MGS4 is better by default than MGSV because the bosses in 4 are interesting and challenging
Except they're the worst bosses of the franchise
I can't tell if you're serious or just baiting
>>340029587
>>Level progression is bad
>hiking between random outposts manned by 3 dudes with the odd setpiece
>"""""level progression"""
>>Gameplay variety is bad
There is none to speak of, most of the game is Fultoning bullshit
>>AI behaviour variety is bad
They all act the same, just with different equipment thats again easily cheesable
>>340029679
One of the tapes is the interrogation, the other one is the weird noise.
>>340029606
Its less like complete suffocation and more like making it hard to breath. Clearly what happened in that mission is just as she gave herself up to the russians, she was put in the care of that squad of troops, they took her into the shack, put clothes on her and tried to rape her, she ran out, almost got raped, and then cut all their dicks off.
Now please stop putting the image of quiet getting raped by dirty russians in my head.
>>340029172
No one will reply to this.
I agree with every point you made. I especially disliked the tapes, because i think it's to hectic to listen to them while playing. I always listened to them on the Chopper, never on Mission. The Codec was important part of Metal Gear Design and telling it's story like that.
The lack of the Codec and Cutscenes is an enourmous amount of missing content, people are just okay with now with the Bland Far Cry/ Ass Creed esque collecting.
>fulton this object
>find this animal
>find this soldier
>find this blueprint
This isn't an MMO, Kojimbles
>>340029720
V dosent even have bosses
>>340029701
No, i'm sorry, your opinion is completely irrelevant.
>Ghost Babel
Oh look, one of the 10 people who played it.
Very glad /v/eddit's opinion will never be taken into account.
>That Kojima-station stream on the evening of Xmas 2014
Good times, good times....
;_;
>>340029806
This, V isn't even MGS without bosses
>>340029806
>>340029852
Yes it does.
Only ones who say they don't are /v/ neckbeards.
>>340029731
The other tape explains how the camp got turned into a black site. You also learn the things Skullface did to his family. It all builds the background of Skullface.
Funny how we can get such a long discussion from a 15 minute long mission in GZ, which apparently is much worse than anything in TPP, while completely ignoring the other side missions in GZ, or how shallow missions in TPP are in general?
I just watched all the trailers again. I can't take it bros
>>340029126
But every boss in 4 shits on the ones in V, just tell me what could top REX vs RAY and Old Snake vs Liquid? I also really liked the Oldsnake/Raiden Vamp fight.
You don't have anything that comes near this.
>>340029864
Name a few
Oh wait
Basically if you're actually familiar with recent AAA gameplay trends then you'll instantly recognize MGSV as mediocre shit
The only people that love MGSV so much either
A) Love AAA design cliches
B) Are ignorant of them
>>340029705
DELETE THIS
>>340029852
Which is good because aside from MGSV, all the other entries can barely be considered videogames.
It's amazing how story is the principal component of them when the story is nothing but cliches, in-your-face references and just plain bad writing.
>>340029920
The sahelanthropus twice, and the man on fire twice
>>340029903
Do you find watching the trailers more enjoying than playing the game too?
>>340029509
Are you fucking retarded?
You're literally deflecting right now, kill yourself for wasting my time.
>>340029959
>he's talking about bosses
>bring up the story
are you stupid?
>>340029527
Phase through things? Since when?
When is that shown to be true? An ability she has?
>>340029743
Oh, I guess you have a perfectly ok time doing whatever it is you need to do while its hard to breathe, huh?
>Now please stop putting the image of quiet getting raped by dirty russians in my head.
Nah, that's not happening here.
>>340029807
>I don't know about other MGS games aside from the newest one so they must be shit
Epic :^)
>>340029405
I didn't say it was fucking perfect did I?
Nevertheless; the cycle of revenge, nationalism and language, the race for dominance and the corruption it leads to are interesting themes.
>>340029920
Quiet, Eli, Armor Skulls, Sniper Skulls, Fast Skulls, Sahelanthropus.
>>340029876
But it is worse, no one but /v/edditors think GZ is better.
>>340029903
>The trailer where they're talking about language and how words can kill.
>Think it's all figurative. Shit's gonna be great.
>It's literal. Words will actually kill because of parasites.
End it all.
>>340029864
Tell me one original boss in V, and i'm not talking about generic sniper fight # 33545 (The End, Sniper Wolf, Crying Wolf), it's not like those got mandatory during MGS...
>>340029920
>tfw the Skullface boss fight was cut
>tfw the Eli boss fight was cut
>tfw mission episode 47 boss fight was cut
>tfw everything was cut
>>340029172
>the last mission in 28yo series is a copypasted tutorial with a cutscene at the end
>the last mission in 28yo series is a copypasted tutorial with a cutscene at the end
>the last mission in 28yo series is a copypasted tutorial with a cutscene at the end
>the last mission in 28yo series is a copypasted tutorial with a cutscene at the end
If they made the last mission a wholly unique going-out experience a LOT of people wouldn't have come away from the series with such a bitter aftertaste.
>>340029920
Invisible McTits is not a boss and Fire Hotman is not a boss and Liquid Kid is not a boss and Metal Skin Zombies are not bosses and Metal Gear is not a boss.
>>340030058
Tell me one original boss fight in this entire franchise, let's have a hard laugh.
>>340030018
>When is that shown to be true?
When you capture her, she's cuffed. She uncuffs, stays invisible in the chopper, and then cuffs herself again. Then she jumps out of the chopper, and uncuffs again.
It's more than shown.
>>340029986
Yes.
It takes me back to a time full of hope and wonder.
Life was better back then, so much better.
>>340030083
Eli and Man on Fire were literally Uncharted tier
the others were minibosses, Quiet was a retread, and Sally was Gears of War tier
>>340030109
psycho mantis
MGS invented original bosses m8
>>340029720
STORY FOR EVERY MISSION, DONT MAKE ME LAUGH
WHICH FUCKING STORY IN V WAS APPLIED TO MISSIONS?
FUCKING SILENT BASILISK CAN LICK MY DICK AND YOU JUMP ON IT TOO YOU FUCKING IDIOT
THERE IS NO RAIL MISSION YOU FUCKING LIAR
>>340029959
MGS2 and 3 have plenty of cool gameplay tricks and secrets.
Also The End is probably one of the most well designed bosses ever
>>340029986
>I make the movie, they want the game
>I make the game, they want the movie
>>340029139
>Feels realistic and not gamey like so many other stealth levels in games
Elaborate please
>Guard placement is spot on perfect
1 guard on every searchlight, 2 guards on the middle camp, 1 on the side of the road, 1 outside the cages, 1 inside the cages, 2 or 3 inside the admin building, 2 outside the starting fence and 2 downstairs
Not exactly perfect and it's not very wel guarded either
>Using practical ideas to lure guards
Magazines only since you can't knock and can't use the box, TPP has more
>rather than shitty objective markers telling you where to go
That you know because you either interrogated people or found intel, that's a good feature
>Cool secrets that you learn if you listen to guards around the base
Literally one cassette or a conversation
Nothing impressive, TPP has more
>Multiple ways in and around Chico's and Paz's cages
Only Chico, you get to Paz either from the stairs or from the room after the corredor
That's not impressive at all, in fact it's pretty normal level design
>Careful vehicle placement to allow you to escape
Bullshit and also everyone will spot you from afar unless you're lucky or playing on the easiest difficulty
>>340030072
Yeah. Even Kingdom of Flies wouldn't satisfy anyone since it's literally Sahelanthropus Encounter 03.
The series needed something like Ground Zeroes.
>>340030158
Not a single MGS before MGSV has any meaningful gameplay.
It's all just a means to get to the next cutscene.
>>340030060
FUCKING DELETE THIS, ONLY NECKBEARDS HATE MGSV
>>340029986
MGSV trailers are like the legends themselves, they're more appealing than the game
>>340029141
Well, the first flaw in V's level design is that there is literally 30 seconds of sprinting/driving at the start of most missions. This is supposed to be for scouting but the distance is absurd and most of the time enemies are out of range for marking.
The second problem is that the level design doesn't work with the "approach form any angle" design philosophy. Ideally, levels and objectives would have some semblance of circular symmetry with every angle having it's own strengths and weaknesses, instead for most missions there is either no significant change based on how you approach or there is one angle that's objective better than any other-most often because it's the angle closest to the objective. The exceptions are the levels that throw that design philosophy in the trash like OKB0 and ironically the bets level design in the game is a high level FOB.
>>340030045
>no one but /v/edditors think GZ is better
No one but redditors skews arguments that much. I never said it's better, I only said missions have more ways to be completed.
Learn to read. Or maybe just don't and fuck off.
>>340030192
Literally retarded
>>340030194
But it is true.
Only fat /v/edditors hate it.
That's how you know a game is good.
>>340030186
A $20 scam with a lot of cut down features and a horrible level design that lets you do nothing but save one of the two guys first?
>>340029839
The best of times.
>>340029705
To put a scale to how development went, he spent two years making a great engine that is wholly capable of making photo realistic, easy to port, fast-development games. He spent the next three making a good condensed map and two terrible wastelands.
>>340030018
>Phase through things? Since when?
In the cutscene where you're taking her back to motherbase, she phases her hand out of the handcuff, grabs a rifle, and shoots the jet pilot, then sits back down and phases her hand back into the handcuff. She only lets herself be captured if she's ok with it, the russians tried to rape her, and she killed them.
>I guess you have a perfectly ok time doing whatever it is you need to do while its hard to breathe
All she needed to do was get out of the shack and shuck the heavy clothes off. That's what happened.
Based on the context I was provided in the game, quiet was not raped, she hadn't been in captivity long enough to be raped. Based on time passage, the cutscene where she's running out of the shack had to have happened right when she got there with the squad and then immediately ran out when she realized what was going on.
>>340030171
Except the movies in MGS4 were bad.
>>340030268
>Ground Zeroes
>Horrible level design
Please drink bleach, taste this bad should be illegal.
>>340030245
But they don't.
You have extra objectives, which in the end are completely pointless.
>>340030045
>Eli
what a tough bosss
>Quiet
oh, noes, a sniper, AGAIN!?
>Skulls
yeah, really challenging, not a gimmick at all. Let's see those snipers snipe my tank
>Sully
This is the only one i would count as boss
>didn't even try listing man of fire like this fool>>340029962
Why are idiots defending V in the slightest, i don't get it?
>>340030346
>Why are idiots defending V in the slightest, i don't get it?
Its all degenerated into mindless bait at this point, anyone who actually likes that game has fled in tears
>>340030332
He's right though, objectives are not only made obvious for everyone to see, they're also pointless. In GZ, they were worthwhile.
>>340030330
Oh yes, a small, generic base with absolutely nothing special is good level design.
>>340030346
>IT DOESN'T HAVE BOSS FIGHTS
>it does
>T-THEY DON'T COUNT
>i don't get it?
Are you asking me if you don't get it?
>>340030268
A mission on a completely new map with shortcuts, additional content, amazing lightning and great atmosphere that tells an interesting story.
>>340029126
Of the shit trilogy, Peace Walker is the worst. 4 seems worse than it really is because it was the first bad Kojima Metal Gear and our expectations were higher.
>>340030374
But the ones who spent 10 months crying about MGSV are /v/edditors.
>>340030385
EXPLAIN WHY THE LEVEL DESIGN IS BAD YOU PIECE OF SHIT
STOP DEFLECTING MY FUCKING ARGUMENTS
HOLY SHIT THIS IS WHY I DON'T GO ON /v/ ANYMORE
>>340030315
>i replied with an image that'll show him how many arguments i have
there is no story during most of the missions that connects to the main story of V, don't kid yourself, Venom never, NEVER FUCKING went nuclear.
Themes, story and gameplay are half assed in this game. You could might even call it a Phantom of it's former self.
10/10 Pachinko Masters, please more of those awesome gambling games
>>340030420
So basically, something that has never been done in this entire franchise?
>>340030467
Explan why it's good.
It's a completely forgettable military base.
>>340030109
The 4th wall breaking psycho boss.
>>340030297
The amount of animals we DON'T see in Africa is a fucking disgrace.
Fucking Far Cry 4, FAR CRY 4 has a more fully realized ecosystem and world than a game made in a series known for it's world details.
And it's like the designers knew they were fucking up too. When you enter Africa it's through this promising SMIDGEON of jungle, and then you find out the rest of the place is just a boring landmass.
Everyone's favorite fucking area in the place is the tiny bit of jungle leading up to the one mansion too.
>>340030510
>Explan why it's good.
>>340029139
Here you go kid
>>340030482
>went nuclear
>We made a meme out of the song, why isn't it in the game?
>>340030482
Themes and story are half-assed throughout all MGS games.
>>340030553
Ah yeah, it was epic as f*ck m8
Most retarded franchise i've played in my life, holy shit.
>>340030385
Level design includes routes you can take, enemy placement, item/weapon placement, objectives, and most importantly, what tools you give the player to tackle it.
Few missions in TPP are as good as that, most just place soldiers seemingly at random and there's little reason to try to sneak through because you can just level the whole place with 12 rocket launchers, mortars and bombardment from support.
>>340030510
>something that has never been done in this entire franchise?
Well it's not like any of the previous games in the franchise were supposed to be a closure. Also not a single game in the series featured copypasted tutorial as the last mission.
And it's even worse if it's the last mission in the entire franchise.
>>340030585
see
>>340030175
>>340030606
Nothing about any of that is in any way special.
Seriously, don't know what the fuck people are talking about.
>>340030572
>When you enter Africa it's through this promising SMIDGEON of jungle, and then you find out the rest of the place is just a boring landmass.
that's probaly one of the things that hurt me the most
that area we saw in the videos looked amazing, and lo and behold it's just the entrance to Africa, you never go twice through it and it's empty anyway
like what the fuck, fuck you kojimber
there's ONE mission when you fight dudes in the jungle, when you go back to code talker mansion
fuck right off
>>340030604
Babby tier arguments
I hope the one thing learned from all of this, from a story standpoint, is that people need "No people".
You can't let an "artist" run rampant on a project, no matter how much in charge they are. They need to be told no.
This is the difference between the original starwars trilogy and the prequels.
This is the difference between indiana Jones 1,2,3 and 4.
>>340030613
MGS4 was supposed to be closure, and it has probably the worst story i've ever seen in any kind of medium.
Completely butchered the already cringeworthy story this franchise had.
>>340030669
>don't know what the fuck people are talking about
That's the problem, we're struggling to explain it to you but you seem too retarded to get it.
>>340029721
>hiking between random outposts manned by 3 dudes with the odd setpiece
>"""""level progression"""
Wow you're retarded
You're denying that fultoning soldiers of better grade and improving your heroism so that you can find better soldiers to develop more equipment isn't level progression?
You're saying that developing more structures and have more men, order more dispatch missions to get more resources to build more guns and get new tools, bionic arms, types of camo, vehicles, items like noctocyanin and the bioradar aren't level progression?
What about the adaptive AI placing mines on routes you follow often and placing snipers to spot you from afar?
>There is none to speak of
There are multiple types of missions and multiple ways to get to objectives and finish the mission
Don't lie, you're just making yourself look like an idiot
>They all act the same, just with different equipment thats again easily cheesable
Bullshit
Enemies will check more often or call the HQ and get into alert mode (which is the equivalent of caution), they'll spot you faster or use different guns to take you down, flank you or find you from a further distance
Please replay the game instead of shitposting about it
>>340030669
Ground Zeroes is literally better designed than any Splinter Cell game I've played.
Even the overrated original ones, they only had good mechanics, everything else sucked cock, including the level design.
>>340030740
No the problem is that you have no explanation at all, you are just picking different elements and saying
>this is good
>>340030385
The boss fights are half assed, just like the rest of the game, who are you kidding here?
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>>340030743
>You're denying that fultoning soldiers of better grade and improving your heroism so that you can find better soldiers to develop more equipment isn't level progression?
>You're saying that developing more structures and have more men, order more dispatch missions to get more resources to build more guns and get new tools, bionic arms, types of camo, vehicles, items like noctocyanin and the bioradar aren't level progression?
All of that is useless in a stealth game
>What about the adaptive AI placing mines on routes you follow often and placing snipers to spot you from afar?
I never take the same route twice
>>340030784
then again when you're facing someone who will deny the value of branching paths, it's hard to explain anything
>>340030810
But you said there were no boss fights.
Also, I prefer a lot the Skulls than having to sit through more cringeworthy dialogue like that nigger bitch from MGS2.
Skullface and Kaz were enough.
>>340030773
Fucking retarded bait. Rape yourself
>>340030143
This post is Huey tier
>>340030853
There's no branching paths though.
Only bits of dialogue which are ultimately pointless.
I'm just glad MGS ended in an actual videogame instead of yet another cringeworthy flick.
>>340030873
Aww are you upset.
The old Splinter Cell games are overrated, GZ outclasses them in every way.
>>340030819
>All of that is useless in a stealth game
That doesn't mean that it can't be in them, and does't work in them. It's called genre fusing, it's been happening for years, and it really worked well in this case, especially you're playing as the man who's known in the series for building giant private armies.
>>340030819
>All of that is useless in a stealth game
First of all it's useful because better equipment means you have better means of going in and out without getting found
Secondly, you were talking about how it isn't level progression and I just showed you wrong, this has nothing to do with your current point
>I never take the same route twice
But the game adapts anyway, placing more surveillance, using different protections or even using NVGs or snipers
>>340030773
>Ground Zeroes is literally better designed than any Splinter Cell game I've played
Conviction was shit b-
>even the overrated original ones
Haha, you're just a fucking FAGGOT.
>>340030604
>most retarded franchise i've played
Then why did you enter the thread? Just to suffer?
>>340030947
There is though.
As in, the actual path you take, it's not just where you go first.
>Kojimadrones thinking their opinion on MGSV is relevant
It was a decent game, much more fun than whatever those things that came before were.
>>340030997
To make fun of it and the ones who unironically think this trash story was ever good.
>>340030947
>Only bits of dialogue which are ultimately pointless.
WHICH IS THE FUCKING STORY AND THE REASON YOU PLAY THE GAME
Also leads to entirely different objectives, making missions highly replayable.
>>340030991
It is from an objective point of view
>>340031037
>story
>reason to play the game
Kill yourself.
>>340031054
The only thing objective here is your absolutely shit taste
>>340031025
Kill yourself
>>340031037
>Also leads to entirely different objectives
That never happens.
>making missions highly replayable.
Yeah, shame they are all in the same, shitty, small and repetitive generic base killing every chance of any mission being replayable.
>>340030983
>>340030970
lol i dont even give a fuck
at the end of the day MGSV is a bad game everyone WANTED to forget not even 5 months after release, an they were right to do so
>>340031025
>Kojimadrones
I myself grew interested in MGS only last year, when I played GZ and realized it was pretty good. Because time was short, I only dashed through MGS3 and PW to get a better grasp of who Big Boss was.
And I was utterly disappointed by TPP. Maybe you're just one of those casuals that skips cutscenes and doesn't care about the story.
>>340031095
see >>340024227
>>340031125
No counterpoints eh?
I stand corrected.
>>340030869
Yeah i was wording wrongly, but you get what i mean. Compared to older games and Spin-Offs like MGR, that in my opinion has the best Boss-Fights in any Metal Gear and really hard if you don't learn the game properly.
That stuff is missing in MGSV. MGSV is extreeeeeemely casual.
Even PW had more mission and boss variety than V
>Kojimadrones are still mad 10 months later
This is why MGSV will always be GOTY 2015.
>>340031176
>everyone
Stop projecting, /v/eddit, only a handful of neckbeards hated it, which I thank for since no one will ever listen to you.
>>340031185
The End from MGS3 is in the top five boss fights ever.
>>340031185
No, PW still suffered from being a story based videogame.
>boss variety
Every single boss fight was a punching bag droid designed for co-op where the biggest risk was running out of ammo.
>>340031176
But why is it a bad game
You haven't actually acurately explained that, it's just bad in your opinion, and you use the fact that a lot of other people who share that opinion to confirm your belief that it's objectively bad.
>>340031176
>everyone WANTED to forget not even 5 months after release
Source: my ass
Nice save on being BTFO on your arguments anyway
>>340031305
SHUT UP KOJIDRONE
MGS SUCKS LALALALALALALA
Thread is about to die, just remember.
There are like 2 or 3 people in here memeing that V is a bad game, the consensus on /v/ is that V is a good game.
Proof:
>>340025101
>>340031262
According to nerds who unironically think MGS3 was close to being a game.
