lorefags BTFO
Thats roughly about right, they are healed by radiation to which one could argue making eating not important (fixing failing life processes makes starvation folly and there are prewar ghouls for godsake)
>>339605008
this is a well written story lorecucks
How can something "not" age? That's asinine
>>339605671
Gets older without showing any signs physically or mentally of it.
>implying that 3 or 4 are canon
Weeeeewww
>>339605842
they do show it mentally, just not physically.
>>339604570
I seriously can't deal with the writing in Fallout 3(which I'm currently playing). It's honestly as if it's written by a ten year old. I mean at the first ghoul you meet in megaton(which is a retarded town) you get 3 options to say to him.
>Hello there fine sir what a charming afternoon it is today
Or something like that
>Gah fuck what are you
and
>Shut up ghoul and don't look at me
Does bethesda even hire writers? Other than that I find the game to be a fairly entertaining sandbox shooter.
>>339604570
Tell me lies...
[spoilers]Sweet happy little lies...[/spoiler]
>>339604570
Holy fuck
>>339604570
The origin and characteristics of ghouls were unclear even in the old games but people don't seem to notice that.
>The precise origins of ghouls were a topic of some debate between the developers of the original Fallout, with Tim Cain stating that ghouls develop as a result of radiation, while Chris Taylor supported the idea that they are a result of a combination of radiation and FEV. Chris Avellone initially supported the latter view,[83] before ultimately deciding in favor of the former.[84] Bethesda Game Studios and Obsidian Entertainment ultimately concluded that radiation is the only external factor at play.[85]
http://fallout.gamepedia.com/Ghoul
>>339606184
Just wait until you get to the main story.
>>339606270
Just leave it vague like them. Having autist debate about your lore is never a bad thing.
>>339604570
Fallout 3 and 4 are spin-offs, they don't count as canon
>>339605875
Who said it's non canon ? The fans ? make me kek.
>>339606551
this desu
>>339606440
This image is dumb, you're fighting them because they want control of the water purifier and you don't want them to have control of the water purifier.
>>339605671
>How can something "not" age? That's asinine
Nuclear weapons displace matter in space time and cause the ghouls to exist outside of our timeline. This also explains pre-war Jet.
>>339606551
>>339606752
This no.
Fallout 1, 2, 3, NV and 4 are all canon whether you like it or nor.
>>339606831
Who said 3 and 4 are spin-offs ? oh right, some neckbeard on /v/
>>339606949
They're quite many even outside /v/.
>>339606184
Mingling with the town folk isn't it's strength. NV outclasses it there pretty easy. I'm not even sure 4 even has town folk to mingle with.
I think 3 has decent to good writing at times. It's just a bizarre world to travel. Most of it is due to all the pop culture nods. Which, if you get them makes it amusing. If you don't it could come off as completely retarded.
There is a wiki that can help with that.
>>339606440
i don't like the plot either, but some of those things are retarded.
>>339604570
I-is that not right?
>>339606949
delusional New Vegas fanboys.
>>339606778
but why not?
>>339606828
Why can't I stop laughing at this image? My stomach hurts.
>>339606879
Fuck off Todd. I'd rather Brotherhood of Steel be canon than FO 3 and 4
>>339606879
>>339606949
Oh boy!
More /tv/ retards who think that fans get to decide what's canon!
Just when you think this board can't get any worse...
>>339606440
That's the one thing i can't handle about Fallout 3. Fucking Fawkes and his fucking "destiny"
Like this isn't a joke Fawkes if i go in there i will FUCKING DIE.
>>339607607
>why not let this paramilitary group have complete control of this hugely important water purification source
gee, i don't know
That goes against numerous previous interactions you have with ghouls where they talk about eating and drinking. why
WHY BETHESDA
>>339607675
All the main series games are canon, we can't decide which ones are and aren't.
>>339607675
Bit they aren't spin-offs, they are made by the company that own the rights on the Fallout franchise, and they are named 3 and 4, following 1 and 2.
New Vegas is a Spin-offs of the Fallout franchise.
>>339607892
"don't NEED to eat"
They can still eat you dumbfuck
>>339607892
Because the writer can't admit making a retarded mistake in one quest.
>>339607607
Because they litereally intent to commit a genocide against the inhabitants of the wasteland by utilizing the purifier you cunt. FO3 writing is horrible, nobody denies that but that image is bad though.
>>339604570
But in fallout 1 you needed to fix the ghoul's water purifier before you took their purification chip or they would die.
>>339607795
Why not? The player character doesn't know anything about the Enclave. The writer assumed the player already knows who they are from the previous games and automatically makes them bad guys, even though they're not actually bad guys in Fallout 3.
>>339607675
1, 2, 3, NV and 4 are the only full canon ones though you fucking moron. Tactics is semi-canon (larger events occurred until something newer contradicts it) and nothing else is at all.
>>339608046
Nobody knows that until the end. Like I said in my other post the writer assumes the player knows who the Enclave is and what their ambitions are outside of Fallout 3's world.
>>339608197
Exactly, the player is subject to Brotherhood propaganda
>>339607975
So who's right about jet? 2 or 4?
>>339608085
Why are you being so dumb? You're literally arguing for the sake of arguing. This paramilitary group walks in at gunpoint and demands complete control of this thing you have no reason to give them.
Even if that's okay with you, you still have to ask yourself what they intend to do with it, because it's certainly not for the same righteous intentions you have.
>>339607985
But anon
We meet a ghoul trapped in an underground facility by super mutants who goes through the trouble of hunting and eating radroaches as this is going on. If he doesn't need to eat, then why is he using up his precious supply of ammo to hunt radroaches?
God my autism is triggered as fuck by this
>>339607795
You are still not arguing, dipshit. Your retarded take on the situation applies to BoS equally well.
>>339608347
Shit, you're right. Maybe he was under the impression he had to eat? But didn't really?
>>339607675
>More /tv/ retards who think that fans get to decide what's canon!
It's funny because those comments were exactly against this type of attitude.
>>339607663
>the way she holds the gun
Jesus fucking christ did they actually get rid of shouldering rifles too?
>>339606184
You know what's even worse? Fallout 3 won an award for it's writing.
>>339605671
actually we know how aging process works biology-wise and, in theory, how to prevent or even reverse it.
It's just we have no method that would allow to apply this knowledge in any practical way.
The easiest and most logical explanation for Ghouls needing to eat/drink would be that they still feel the need to psychologically, but not necessarily physically. And you want them to have food/water because psychological stress is a big factor in them going feral or not.
That's how I would have written it anyway.
Kid in a Fridge is still fucking stupid.
>>339608303
You are never told why the Enclave is bad.
>>339608314
They want to get it working. James wants to get it working. So he kills himself and floods it with radiation?
>>339605569
mandatory pasta
>>339608305
Jet being pre-war in 4 was a clear slip up, not an intentional retcon, so I'd say 2's origin holds.
>>339608439
Anon
Anon pls
this is just a really shitty retcon, done to save face after the team made a truly idiotic quest where a little ghoul boy is trapped inside of a fridge for over 200 years, 200 years without water, 200 years without seeing another human being, and during that time no one noticed his cries for help, and when you let him out he isn't utterly insane from centuries of isolation.
>>339604570
>People are retarded, don't care about skeletons around and some of them are unkillable for no apparent reason
lorefags BTFO
>>339608560
>They want to get it working. James wants to get it working
No, you're completely ignoring what I said because you're an idiot so I'm going to copy & paste it again for you to read.
>This paramilitary group walks in at gunpoint and demands complete control of this thing you have no reason to give them.
>Even if that's okay with you, you still have to ask yourself what they intend to do with it, because it's certainly not for the same righteous intentions you have.
>>339607675
Fans have more business deciding what's canon than some corporate jew obtaining the rights to an IP and milking it for every shekel with committee-manufactured installments for the CoD audience.
Say, if I go ahead and publish a Bible edition with a fifth Gospel about Space Mutant Jesus buttsex orgies, it doesn't magically become part of canonical Christian dogma.
>>339604570
Is this character an expert on ghouls?
>>339607663
you're saying that like your opinion is relevant. Who the fuck even asks you what is canon or not you idiot?
beth owns the game, they were fair enough to place their sequels on the west coast so they can do whatever they want.
all that said, the blade runner theme in 4 is fucking horrible.
>>339606198
It's "tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies" ya doofus.
>>339608806
>Blade Runner Theme
>No THAT GUN
I died a little inside.
>>339608731
I didn't ignore it. The Enclave wants to get it working. They say that to James. Why the fuck would he kill himself and try to destroy it rather than let them try to fix it?
>>339608764
it does if the pope and the cardinals approve it
This is a Bethesda damage control shill thread. Bethesda, and indeed, many other companies(and even religions and cities) pay people to go online to defend them or speak good of them, as well as paint their rivals or enemies in a negative light.
This has been happening for years and you can read about it on Google and watch videos on it on YouTube.
The flow of time in Boston is convoluted
>>339608794
slave owner, he probably has tested his theories on ghouls
>>339609183
this.
>>339609082
Stop posting until you actually address my argument.
>>339608764
>Say, if I go ahead and publish a Bible edition with a fifth Gospel about Space Mutant Jesus buttsex orgies, it doesn't magically become part of canonical Christian dogma.
Exactly, because the church (who actually "owns" the "copyrights" for the christian dogma) decides that is canon or not. Not some butthurt neckbeard.
>>339604570
So they went for the magic route to explain their plot holes.
Bethesda truly is the worst.
>>339609082
Because if they fix it, they're not going to just say "FREE WATER FOR EVERYONE!"
They're going to hoard it, and just let Enclave staff use it.
The dad knew that, and he was already sick of having to bow down to an overseer for years so he wasn't going to do that shit all over again.
He'd rather die and break the purifier and hope that you can later on fix it.
Which you do.
FO3's writing is shit but come on, anyone could have followed what was going on. A story shouldn't have to spell out every single little thing for you.
>>339609564
Fallout radiation has always been magic.
>>339609737
Harold is not a ghoul.
>>339609257
So how do you tell them from real Bethesda fans?
>>339609832
>harold the ghoul is not a ghoul
Just get out.
>>339609591
Realistically it's more likely the Enclave scientists will get it working than James' little kid. And even if they didn't want to give water to everyone for free, once they fixed the purifier he could build another one with the knowledge gained from the first one. But that begs the question, what was so wrong with it in the first place? It's just a water purification system. The whole premise is stupid.
1, 2, and NV are not canon
3 and 4 are.
Obsidian shouldnt be allowed anywhere near the fallout franchise. Nobody cares about muh lore i only care about shooting things in a post-nuclear world.
>>339609975
He is NOT a ghoul, retard.
>>339609257
>have multiple daily "I GOT SPURS" autistic threads
>have once in a blue moon thread about a beth FO, that isn't even positive
>shilling
Obsidiots, always the No.1 worst fans in gaming.
>>339609991
>And even if they didn't want to give water to everyone for free, once they fixed the purifier he could build another one with the knowledge gained from the first one.
>lol who cares if they take control you can just make another jeez
You're literally a cuck. I'm done talking to you.
>>339606270
Reading the old Fallout Bibles really made it clear that they didn't give a fuck about the history or science of the game world. They wanted cool post apocalyptic retrofuturistic shit and handwaved the causes with an absent minded line or two of dialogue.
>>339609975
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Harold
>Harold (...) is an FEV mutant - originally a human from Vault 29(...)During an exploration of Mariposa Military Base, he was exposed to F.E.V. Initially, he mutated into what appears to be an ordinary ghoul, but was later distinguished by a tree growing out of his head some years later.
Take your own advice.
>>339605671
Some animals on earth can reverse the aging process. It's actually fascinating stuff.
>>339609975
Do you know what FEV is?
>>339610193
>retrofuturistic
Except Bethesda came up with that
>>339609975
Way to show you only played F3, Anon.
>>339610234
> is an FEV mutant
> just a fancy name for a ghoul
Obsidiots on full damage control.
what a bunch of retards
>>339610234
>>339610263
So unless you can come up with an explanation on why he turned into something that looks exactly like a ghoul instead of a super mutant it doesn't matter.
>>339608347
>radiation keeps you alive no matter what
>starve for fucking ever unless you eat
Probably explains all the feral in low food areas too
>>339610141
>have once in a blue moon
>blue moon
You saw me standing alone
>>339610319
What are you fucking stupid? F3 is exactly the game where harold is a FUCKING TREE
>>339610450
>FEV mutant
>fancy name for a ghoul
You are embarassing yourself, Anon.
>>339610234
Fallout Bible says FEV is involved to some extent for all ghouls.
>>339609991
>once they fixed the purifier he could build another one with the knowledge gained from the first one.
and you think they are just going to let him do that and completely destroy their monopoly that gives them immense power?
>>339606184
This bothers me to no end
If I remember correctly the Vault Dweller didn't react like that when he met either Set or Harold
>>339610234
So FEV is magic, then. Doesn't change anything, really.
So is this incorrect? I don't know all that much about ghouls in Fallout I guess but it doesn't sound that far off
>>339610462
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Harold
>Harold and a group of other adventurers—among them a man named Richard Grey, who was a doctor living in the Hub who was equally perplexed by the strange mutants—tracked the mutant population and eventually found its source: an old military base that seemed to be spawning mutant creatures.
>Inside, most of them were killed by the mutants that littered the base as well as by its automated security systems. Harold, Richard, and a few others made it fairly deep into the base, where they found immense vats filled with a strange thick, green solution (F.E.V.) that seemed to be mutating the animals. A large robotic arm knocked Grey into a vat, where Harold assumed he died (when actually, he became the Master). Harold himself was knocked unconscious. He awoke some time later out in the desert, already starting to mutate. A caravan eventually found him and brought him back to the Hub, where he settled into a destitute existence.
>>339608560
>They want to get it working. James wants to get it working.
Trump wants to be president. Clinton wants to be president.
>>339610682
>So FEV is magic, then
No, where did you take that idea from?
>>339610743
There can be only president at any time.
Water purifier can work regardless.
Your analogy is shitty.
>>339608659
>and when you let him out he isn't utterly insane from centuries of isolation.
That's the one thing that bothered me. They literally just make ghouls out of the blue, but fuck it idc. He doesn't eat or drink? Fuck it, idc. He isn't batshit crazy or feral after being isolated for so long? Unbelievable. NO ONE found this nigga after 200 years? Implausible.
On the other hand, do you think being a ghoul is genetic? Him and his whole family turned ghoulish. Wonder if there's something positive we can take from this.
Ghouls drink water and I'm pretty sure do need to eat.
>retconning previous lore to fix your mistakes
LOL
>>339610272
No they didn't. Back in 2007 NMA was worried that Beth, among many things, was going to move the series away from the retofuturistic setting.
>>339610816
>Fallout 4 says ghouls are immune to radiation, don't age or eat
>anon says "So they went for the magic route to explain their plot holes. Bethesda truly is the worst."
>The same is true in Fallout 1 and 2
>>339604570
God this is incredibly fucking retarded
>>339610241
Those animals don't have brains, braincells or any complex organs. They also don't have "memories" or a personal identity. Applying this sort of process to us is impossible, brain cells are unique and never replaced, and even if we could theoretically do it, we'd completely forget everything in the process.
>>339605569
Even if he didn't need to eat, he should have gone insane from the isolation.
DELETE THIS
BETHESDA ARE THE BEST WRITERS THIS SERIES HAS EVER HAD YOU OBSIDIANSHITTIANS
>>339611095
Sauce?
Both iqdb and google give nothing.
>>339610037
Nice False-flag comment.
All those games are officially canon.
>>339610234
why are there no references in that part of the article concerning his origin?
fan fiction a.k.a damage control
>>339610908
>There can be only president at any time.
THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE
Reminder that Bethesda basically admitted most their writers haven't played FO1/2, and just use the wiki for lore.
>>339610272
Where did the fucking plasma guns come from dumbass?
>>339611182
it's Zone, the secret part of the Bioshock Infinite one
>>339611363
You are incorrect. Why do you want to smear Bethesda?
>>339610037
I get NV being non canon, but why not 1 and 2? If not then why is 3 called 3? shouldn't be Fallout 1 again?
>>339611363
I don't have to play half assed written games to know that Fallout 3 and 4 have some of the best and most beautiful writing in any medium ever.
>>339611416
Contemporary futuristic ideas when Fallout 1 and 2 were made?
>>339611182
you haven't been here nearly long enough if you can't recognize zone's animations
>>339611469
Fallout 3 is like Final Fantasy VII. They just chose to use numbers for artistic sake, despite it being the first true game in the series.
>>339610908
In this analogy the working water purifier is the parallel to the US. It's not about who builds it but who controls it
>>339611420
>>339611095
>Zoneshit
>Bioshit
>>339608540
If you take Necropolis' water chip without fixing their surface pump they all dehydrate to death.
>>339611601
Makes sense
>>339611339
We really should solve political disputes highlander style.
If anything it'd be entertaining.
>>339611601
Good thing I don't care about some shitty console weeb game.
wasn't the fallout bible written so bethesda would not fuck up ?
why did bethesda throw the fallout bible as well as fallout 1 and 2 out the window when developing 3 and 4
fallout 3 and 4's writing feels more like bad fan fiction than an actual sequel to fallout
also why is the capital wasteland still in shambles after 200 years ?
i mean california had it's own government by then
>>339604570
>Bethesda is so shit at consistency they're retconning things from their own games
Even ghouls in Fallout 3 had to eat.
>>339611530
M8 I really can't be fucked with this argument
Read the Fallout Bible
The guy cites the 1950s World of Tomorrow as a key point of reference
>>339611614
It doesn't matter who controls the purifier, once it's on it purifies the entire bay.Yet James is willing to kill himself and destroy his lifes work to spite the enclave and prevent this from happening. Does he even know who they are? Why would he kill himself rather then let them have the purifier?
>>339610234
>>339610263
>>339610072
When you ask him what the hell he is, he literally answers with "I'm a ghoul.".
>>339606184
Not saying the writing is not shit but the lone wanderer can be a jackass, I mean he is canonically a teenager.
The Vault Dweller is by all accounts a chosen adult.
>>339611160
Brain cells are not unique and are replaced though, all cells get replaced.
>>339612135
>why is the capital wasteland still in shambles after 200 years ?
Because Fallout are post-apocalyptic games and that's what post-apocalyptic looks like. No one cares about playing a rebuilt world.
>>339612135
Because Bethesda are extremely fucking mind-numbingly extremely fucking batshittingly bad at using extra lore. They manage to somehow mock up no matter what when it comes to lore and it's absolutely astounding. In Skyrim the world is asbolutely fucking dull. No interesting quest, no nothing we haven't seen before and it's the same every single goddamn time.
The worst part is just how easily they manage to fuck up shit they can avoid. But it's also painstakingly obvious they genuinely don't give two fucking shits about lore. Absolutely horrible developers and I hope they go fucking bankrupt.
>>339611363
Source?
>>339612135
FO3 purpose was to bring forth New Vegas, and can be forgiven. Despite it all is enjoyable.
Now FO4 fucking sucks. Obsidian raised the bar tenfold only for Bethesda to lower to the mere depths. They replaced rpg elements with le epic survival game memes, and still crafting, and building settlements feels more like a shitty tower defense mod / minigame than anything else.
>>339612465
and obsidian is good at lore?
don't fucking make me laugh, they make shit up as they go and make out excuses when something doesn't work, just like everybody else.
>>339612463
>No one cares about playing a rebuilt world
>implying that's not the best thing about post apocalyptic fiction
Anyone can make some run down buildings, don't even have to go post apocalyptic for that. It's what they do with all the new cultures that makes it interesting.
>>339612653
>looting and finding new interesting items was one of the best parts about 3/NV
>get rid of it in favor of having 3 weapons you can customize in a way that barely changes how they play
Gee thanks. Can't wait to use the same pipe rifle for 60 hours.
>>339612463
>no one cares about playing a rebuilt world
>what is fallout 2
>what is new vegas
>>339612338
I'm Pete Hines.
>>339612135
Dude, i get it alright, but just give up, there's no point in getting mad anymore, bethesta shat the bed so hard is barely even fallout anymore
The franchaise as you know it and like it is dead, and nothing is going to change that, you have to move on
>>339611670
>not liking zone
how's your crippling debt and lack of social life treating you, dickwad?
>>339612135
Even Avallone have said the Bible is non-canon.
>>339613138
> what is the west coast
fucking obsidiots not even knowing their own game lore.
>>339608476
I think we actually do kinda have a way, it's just that the method kinda increases chances of cancer by a fuck ton.
Not entirely sure, but I think it would have something to do with telomerase.
I'm kinda talking out of my ass though, just something I've heard somewhere, so don't take my word for it.
>>339613374
to be fair fallout 1 was kinda a broken world
>>339612338
That's because while he was ugly as sin and ghouls are first thing he could be compared to.
Basically, he didn't understand what he was turned into.
>>339610687
In theory it works, as Ghouls will naturally regenerate their bodies simply by metabolizing radiation, but it would mean the ghoul would be in a perpetual state of dehydration/hunger and probably in crippling pain as a result.
So it's feasible, but it would suck all kinds of ass to do it. It would also explain why ferals are found in sealed-off, yet radioactive areas, they're subsisting on just enough rads to keep ticking over and will attack anything edible the moment they see it.
>>339611268
There are later on in his biography.
>>339612338
Because he thinks he is one.
Doesn't mean he is though.
>>339613637
Well people in the thread are saying the guy talking's a slaver or something, right? I haven't seen him in game before but if he is a slaver it would make sense that he wouldn't be feeding his slaves if they could technically survive not being fed.
I don't see what people are getting triggered about in that OP image
>yfw the master somehow comes back to life with the power of plot connivence
>yfw everyone will love bethesda for it because a bunch of drooling morons from the fallout wiki will applaud it
>>339604570
So pretty much Ghouls are a superior human since they don't have any weakness to things that are harmful to humans why wouldn't you want to be one
>>339614115
>Because he thinks he is one.
>Doesn't mean he is though.
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
fucking stop already man!
I hate the beth fallout and what they did to it, but even I admit they're just adding shit to harolds backstory so he seems more plausible. it's okay dude, its a fictional made up world, there are no concrete origin rules. it's all made up. let them have their crappy lore fun on the east coast.
>>339614320
The specific conditions needed to become a ghoul rather than dying of radiation are not fully understood. It's a gamble.
At least in was in 1/2/NV, in 3/4 basically fucking everyone turn into ghouls as soon as they get hit by radiation, except for PC of course.
>>339614320
nah, they can't reproduce, most of them are bat shit crazy, so they are bound to be extincted at some point.
>>339614445
I wasn't talking about east coast at all.
Harold thinks he is a ghoul because he has no knowledge about FEV. Just because you think something doesn't make it real.
>>339614534
>3/4 basically fucking everyone turn into ghouls as soon as they get hit by radiation
Bullshit
Camp Searchlight in NV
>>339614665
I am saying that you look retarded if you don't see that theory is just damage control they made up later. AND THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT!
>>339612708
Of course they make new shit with their games, but they didn't deviate from any of the established rules in New Vegas or completely butcher things just to have SOMETHING in the game. There's no comparison to be made.
>>339605671
>>339612463
Why cant they just set the game somewhere between 10-50 yrs after the bombs dropped? That way it makes sense for everything to be in a shitty state.
Looting your local walmart 200 years later just makes no sense.
>>339614681
Yeah, a lot of soldiers in Searchlight turned into ghouls.
Meanwhile NV also had this chick who wanted to become a ghoul, went to the old nuclear test site and just fucking died.
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Die-ary_of_Trash#Entry_one_in_the_Die-ary_of_Trash
>>339608917
>find obvious Blade Runner homage, 'Deckard' and 'Roy', on Mass Fusion Disposal roof
>'Deckard' doesn't have That Gun.
Fucking Bethesda.
>>339614910
Well because Fallout 2 set the bar by being 200 years after the war. If you want to stay on the same tech level and not basically remake the game you have to stick with that.
>>339608046
>Because they litereally intent to commit a genocide against the inhabitants of the wasteland by utilizing the purifier
No, only Eden intends to do that, which is why Autumn breaks against his control.
And yet, despite being the person who can help him turn on the purifier, Autumn tries to kill you for no reason. And despite you probably not wanting to agree to Eden's plan, Autumn still wants to kill you for some reason. And despite having no reason for either of you to not want the other to turn on the purifier, since at that point it does not matter, Autumn still fights you for some reason.
Do we have any record of Avellone or Sawyer's thoughts about Fallout 4? I want to know what they think about it.
>>339614827
The really old ones are tough and less flavorful, if I recall correctly.
Still, not exactly incorrect.
http://2ogmrlfzdthnwkez.
>>339608046
Incorrect. Only President Eden wants to do his. Colonel Autumn vetoed it, as he can veto anything the President says (as proved by Autumn telling the troops in Ravenrock to kill you and even the President himself telling you if you ask).
>>339615114
They probably liked it. Well, I know Sawyer liked Skyrim, and Avellone likes Bethesda.
>>339611160
Are you implying you don't consist of cells
>>339615064
Did tech advance within that 200 year span? If it did why is literally every enemy in FO4 using pipe rifles?
>>339612338
That's because he think he is. He literally turned into a fucking tree. Please point me to other ghouls who have turned into trees.
>>339615230
Yes, I'm a being of radiant light with a huge throbbing horse cock.
>>339609591
How would they hoard a fucking river?
What the fuck are you talking about? How do you stop people from accessing the whole Potomac? Fucking Rivet City is sitting right in the river.
>>339615338
How do you know all the trees you see in the game didn't used to be ghouls?
>>339615064
Having F2 200 years later made sense tough as the civilization was rebuilding. In F4 they didnt even manage to clear the streets of rubble or built anything larger than a shack.
>>339615487
because your mom told me so last night
>>339608476
Didn't some woman "reverse" her age just recently.
>>339604570
That just biologically doesn't make sense and breaks the law of conservation of energy.
>>339614910
it is clear you haven't lived in any semi dangerous/devastated area. society falls apart after a normal war, look at Syria, now imagine a global NUCLEAR WAR with radiation effect that creates monsters of everything that moves. Plus you have gangs, bandits, raiders, and million other hazardous shit, so yeah, 200 years of living in crap conditions seems pretty plausable
>>339615779
So does your face.
>>339615779
logic BTFO
>>339608571
honestly he could've really lied
>>339604570
Fuck Bethesda have absolutely shit writers
>>339615779
What if radiation made them develop an ability to harness sunlight?
>>339615847
See >>339615558
Literally everything is still in a state that seems like the bombs dropped like 2 weeks ago.
My only gripe with it is how barely anyone even tried. The only setllment that even gives off the vibe of trying is diamond city.
>>339612408
Brain cells don't get replaced. The common pop-science bullshit about your entire body being replaced in 7 years or whatever is bullshit.
>>339605671
Aren't cancerous cells immortal or something?
>>339612408
Brain cells are not replaced.
Just because a lot of cells in your body get replaced doesn't mean it applies to all of them.
>>339616320
Some type of photosynthesis is not a great hypothesis when most feral ghouls live underground.
>>339604570
Nice textures son, where did you get those, the 1990's?
>>339616421
>>339616559
Some neurons can be replaced
>>339616320
What if radiation made them develop an ability to shoot laser beams out of their eyes?
>>339616375
>. The only setllment that even gives off the vibe of trying is diamond city.
well that's kind of the whole point. it's fucking dangerous out there, it's hard to raise a family let alone a settlement.
For my personal taste, the beth FO is a bit too harsh, but I'm also not a big fan of the mojave also. It seemed too peaceful, all these gangs and shit didn't seem to do anything except hang out in their towns and camps. Okay only a few bombs fell so it makes sense that its not full of radiated creatures, but most of the settlements don't even have basic defense. That would make sense if the NCR controlled the Mojave for 50 years.
>>339608476
If you're talking about Telomers, that's just one theory.
If you're talking about reactive oxygen species, that's also just one theory.
If you're talking about anything else, it's also just one theory.
Chances are all are correct.
>>339614827
>tfw I was meant to live forever
>I was meant to be the main character
>but I end up on a table all buttered up instead
>>339616774
In theory you're right, but that's just two (i think) areas of the brain. It shows that it would be possible to regenerate parts of the brain, but in nature the majority of the brain is unique and destroyed parts will stay destroyed.
>>339616672
Undergrounds usually have some aritfical light sources as well.
I know it's a retarded idea though.
>>339616953
Photosynthesis is something that widely exists in nature. Laser eyes are not.
>>339614282
>The Master comes back
>he's on the east coast now for some reason
>he makes no mention of anything from Fallout 1
>he's leading the Enclave
How mad would you be?
>>339614827
There is also a jellyfish that can just reset itself to it's colonial stage. Making it immortal.
>>339617441
Terminal lucidity is pretty interesting, though.
>>339617515
Mildly upset.
>>339617515
Not at all, i gave up already, i feel fine actually
>>339616953
wow, you really defied my first impressions of you, lazers from their eyes...I'll be sure to look out for that one
>>339617873
I had a dream of Fallout. It was dead, but it was all right.
>>339604570
I fucking shot that guy. It was his fault.
I just went through Quincy Ruins, killed everyone. On my way out a guy in combat armor holding a pistol just walks into my line of sight. Of course he got shot.
>>339611363
>>339611438
>>339611478
>>339612649
He might have been talking about this, though I hope not, given that Avellone IS NOT affiliated with Bethesda.
>>339612338
>>339614445
>>339614803
Hello i'm a ghoul
>>339618708
>Bethesda mentioned "we don't track everything anymore, we just go to the wiki and figure out what the crossed lines are for everything, and that's basically our game design document now"
So yes, it is Bethesda that does it, and they're suggesting to Avellone that he should do it like that to.
>>339604570
Why the fuck do they hunt living people then?
>>339619104
>he was in charge of reactor maintenance in Vault 34
>left because he thought he turned into a ghoul
>reacor malfunctioned because no one knew how to repair it
>everyone in Vault 34 turned into a ghoul
>except for the guy who left because he thought he was a ghoul
Pottery
>>339614910
Because then they couldn't have the Brotherhood. Original factions are hard
>>339615216
>Avellone would rather work with Bethesda than Obsidian
Anyone have solid deets on why there's this bad blood?
>>339619474
I didn't even catch that part. I love how I keep discovering new shit for New Vegas after so long.
>>339619945
Sawyer shut down his ideas when making PoE.
>taking Fallout "lore" seriously
It was dumb and never made sense ever since the first game.
There was a fucking ghoul with a tree growing on his head and a vault full of talking Deathclaws, for fuck sake.
>>339621640
>thinking fallout 2 is canon
>>339621728
>only games I like are canon
lol
Get lost kid.
>>339621565
Sauce?
>>339621964
Some interview. He wanted Grieving Mother to have a bunch of deep shit but Sawyer didn't think it would fit within the game.
>>339604570
TODD, FIX THE FUCKING FPS DROP IN THE CITIES YOU LAZY FUCK
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>339609545
>the church
>singular
Chances are, your mother should've aborted you.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apocrypha#Disputes_over_canonicity
>>339621640
What, that didn't make sense? It was the first games and established perfectly fine rules. Talking deathclaws and a """"ghoul"""" wasn't completely wacky
>>339606440
Someone post the screenshot with the counterargument. I forgot to save it.
![b4b21b04b697b81bd8e31b0d59e225dd1db9513f6b3b3a89c36d49fc25b85bea_3[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/G7u1POc.jpg "b4b21b04b697b81bd8e31b0d59e225dd1db9513f6b3b3a89c36d49fc25b85bea_3[1].jpg")
>>339604570
>, and
>, and
>COMMA, AND
I no longer care about this series.
I've moved beyond anger.
>>339622942
op here, I did not realize this FUCK YOU TODD
>>339622942
>he has never heard of the oxford comma
>>339622942
>what is the Oxford Comma
Why are grammarfags so shit at grammar?
>>339622942
it's a series smart guy
>>339623202
New Vegas wasn't that long ago and the Far Harbo DLC is good.
>>339608314
>This paramilitary group walks in at gunpoint and demands complete control of this thing you have no reason to give them.
thats the problem because you either have to know who or what they are beforehand OR fucking assume that they are all out bad and evil. Thats the problems since from how you are looking at it then pretty much anything and everything that for whatever reason stands against the player is automatically all out evil.
its shity writing and all lame and lazy storytelling that can only be one uped by some shitty mention of a prophecy.
its shitty writing where one is meant to self insert as the besteset person ever that can do anything and everything always for ever be it "good" or "evil".
and you know what if you are okay with or like it that is fine. Just be aware that what you like is genuinely fucking shitty and lazy.
I think beths strong point is TES and considering the obvious tes >fallout>tes>fallout>tes pattern I think they just quickly shit out a fallout game to keep up apperences so they can start working on the next TES game
>>339621640
>RPG backstories are for nerds!!!
This is you.
>>339624206
I guess the flaw in your theory is that Oblivion and Skyrim sucked ass compared to FO4.
>>339624314
Never played oblivon but I'm sure more than half of /v/ would kill you for saying oblivion sucks
>>339624424
Compared to fo4* that is>>339624314
>>339624206
>beths strong point is TES
That hasn't been the case since Oblivion, and even then, Oblivion isn't exactly a good game. It's saved by at least trying to be an RPG, which is more than can be said for 3, Skyrim and 4.
>>339624424
I really hope not. It seems most people who like Morrowind absolutely hate Oblivion.
>>339610149
>James makes another purifier
>The Enclave takes that too
>James makes another one again
>The entire wasteland is covered in water purifiers
>Everyone drowns
>>339608314
The Enclave wanted the purifier for the same reason the BoS wanted it. To control a major source of fresh water.
Presumably they'd both deny their enemies access to the water.
>>339624912
>>339624926
Why didn't James just repair the Megatron water purifier, then build a similar one in Rivet City?
As we've seen in F4, water purification isn't exactly difficult, and yet it's the main plot of 3. I don't get it.
>>339624912
Wow, it's just like my Japanese animes and Fallout 4 settlements!
>>339622585
The idea that (most) vaults were experiments was created by Tim Cain during the initial stages of Fallout 2 development. They planned for the played to find documents in Vault 8 regarding that.
Up until then the idea simply didn't exist. And this became something important in Fallout lore.
>Chris Avellone said, "It was intended that while the player was reading the Vault 8 records in Fallout 2, he could discover a classified file (opened with a successful Science skill roll) which explained that Vault 8 was a "control Vault," designed to hold 1000 people and to open on time. This file was intended to foreshadow the discovery of the true and sinister purpose of the Vaults
So, if I go Fallout fan logic either Fallout 1 isn't canon or Fallout 2 "Raped" the lore of the first game.
