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Thats roughly about right, they are healed by radiation to which one could argue making eating not important (fixing failing life processes makes starvation folly and there are prewar ghouls for godsake)
>>339605008
this is a well written story lorecucks
How can something "not" age? That's asinine
>>339605671
Gets older without showing any signs physically or mentally of it.
>implying that 3 or 4 are canon
Weeeeewww
>>339605842
they do show it mentally, just not physically.
>>339604570
I seriously can't deal with the writing in Fallout 3(which I'm currently playing). It's honestly as if it's written by a ten year old. I mean at the first ghoul you meet in megaton(which is a retarded town) you get 3 options to say to him.
>Hello there fine sir what a charming afternoon it is today
Or something like that
>Gah fuck what are you
and
>Shut up ghoul and don't look at me
Does bethesda even hire writers? Other than that I find the game to be a fairly entertaining sandbox shooter.
>>339604570
Tell me lies...
[spoilers]Sweet happy little lies...[/spoiler]
>>339604570
Holy fuck
>>339604570
The origin and characteristics of ghouls were unclear even in the old games but people don't seem to notice that.
>The precise origins of ghouls were a topic of some debate between the developers of the original Fallout, with Tim Cain stating that ghouls develop as a result of radiation, while Chris Taylor supported the idea that they are a result of a combination of radiation and FEV. Chris Avellone initially supported the latter view,[83] before ultimately deciding in favor of the former.[84] Bethesda Game Studios and Obsidian Entertainment ultimately concluded that radiation is the only external factor at play.[85]
http://fallout.gamepedia.com/Ghoul
>>339606184
Just wait until you get to the main story.
>>339606270
Just leave it vague like them. Having autist debate about your lore is never a bad thing.
>>339604570
Fallout 3 and 4 are spin-offs, they don't count as canon
>>339605875
Who said it's non canon ? The fans ? make me kek.
>>339606551
this desu
>>339606440
This image is dumb, you're fighting them because they want control of the water purifier and you don't want them to have control of the water purifier.
>>339605671
>How can something "not" age? That's asinine
Nuclear weapons displace matter in space time and cause the ghouls to exist outside of our timeline. This also explains pre-war Jet.
>>339606551
>>339606752
This no.
Fallout 1, 2, 3, NV and 4 are all canon whether you like it or nor.
>>339606831
Who said 3 and 4 are spin-offs ? oh right, some neckbeard on /v/
>>339606949
They're quite many even outside /v/.
>>339606184
Mingling with the town folk isn't it's strength. NV outclasses it there pretty easy. I'm not even sure 4 even has town folk to mingle with.
I think 3 has decent to good writing at times. It's just a bizarre world to travel. Most of it is due to all the pop culture nods. Which, if you get them makes it amusing. If you don't it could come off as completely retarded.
There is a wiki that can help with that.
>>339606440
i don't like the plot either, but some of those things are retarded.
>>339604570
I-is that not right?
>>339606949
delusional New Vegas fanboys.
>>339606778
but why not?
>>339606828
Why can't I stop laughing at this image? My stomach hurts.
>>339606879
Fuck off Todd. I'd rather Brotherhood of Steel be canon than FO 3 and 4
>>339606879
>>339606949
Oh boy!
More /tv/ retards who think that fans get to decide what's canon!
Just when you think this board can't get any worse...
>>339606440
That's the one thing i can't handle about Fallout 3. Fucking Fawkes and his fucking "destiny"
Like this isn't a joke Fawkes if i go in there i will FUCKING DIE.
>>339607607
>why not let this paramilitary group have complete control of this hugely important water purification source
gee, i don't know
That goes against numerous previous interactions you have with ghouls where they talk about eating and drinking. why
WHY BETHESDA
>>339607675
All the main series games are canon, we can't decide which ones are and aren't.
>>339607675
Bit they aren't spin-offs, they are made by the company that own the rights on the Fallout franchise, and they are named 3 and 4, following 1 and 2.
New Vegas is a Spin-offs of the Fallout franchise.
>>339607892
"don't NEED to eat"
They can still eat you dumbfuck
>>339607892
Because the writer can't admit making a retarded mistake in one quest.
>>339607607
Because they litereally intent to commit a genocide against the inhabitants of the wasteland by utilizing the purifier you cunt. FO3 writing is horrible, nobody denies that but that image is bad though.
>>339604570
But in fallout 1 you needed to fix the ghoul's water purifier before you took their purification chip or they would die.
>>339607795
Why not? The player character doesn't know anything about the Enclave. The writer assumed the player already knows who they are from the previous games and automatically makes them bad guys, even though they're not actually bad guys in Fallout 3.
>>339607675
1, 2, 3, NV and 4 are the only full canon ones though you fucking moron. Tactics is semi-canon (larger events occurred until something newer contradicts it) and nothing else is at all.
>>339608046
Nobody knows that until the end. Like I said in my other post the writer assumes the player knows who the Enclave is and what their ambitions are outside of Fallout 3's world.
>>339608197
Exactly, the player is subject to Brotherhood propaganda
>>339607975
So who's right about jet? 2 or 4?
>>339608085
Why are you being so dumb? You're literally arguing for the sake of arguing. This paramilitary group walks in at gunpoint and demands complete control of this thing you have no reason to give them.
Even if that's okay with you, you still have to ask yourself what they intend to do with it, because it's certainly not for the same righteous intentions you have.
>>339607985
But anon
We meet a ghoul trapped in an underground facility by super mutants who goes through the trouble of hunting and eating radroaches as this is going on. If he doesn't need to eat, then why is he using up his precious supply of ammo to hunt radroaches?
God my autism is triggered as fuck by this
>>339607795
You are still not arguing, dipshit. Your retarded take on the situation applies to BoS equally well.
>>339608347
Shit, you're right. Maybe he was under the impression he had to eat? But didn't really?
>>339607675
>More /tv/ retards who think that fans get to decide what's canon!
It's funny because those comments were exactly against this type of attitude.
>>339607663
>the way she holds the gun
Jesus fucking christ did they actually get rid of shouldering rifles too?
>>339606184
You know what's even worse? Fallout 3 won an award for it's writing.
>>339605671
actually we know how aging process works biology-wise and, in theory, how to prevent or even reverse it.
It's just we have no method that would allow to apply this knowledge in any practical way.
The easiest and most logical explanation for Ghouls needing to eat/drink would be that they still feel the need to psychologically, but not necessarily physically. And you want them to have food/water because psychological stress is a big factor in them going feral or not.
That's how I would have written it anyway.
Kid in a Fridge is still fucking stupid.
>>339608303
You are never told why the Enclave is bad.
>>339608314
They want to get it working. James wants to get it working. So he kills himself and floods it with radiation?
>>339605569
mandatory pasta
>>339608305
Jet being pre-war in 4 was a clear slip up, not an intentional retcon, so I'd say 2's origin holds.
>>339608439
Anon
Anon pls
this is just a really shitty retcon, done to save face after the team made a truly idiotic quest where a little ghoul boy is trapped inside of a fridge for over 200 years, 200 years without water, 200 years without seeing another human being, and during that time no one noticed his cries for help, and when you let him out he isn't utterly insane from centuries of isolation.
>>339604570
>People are retarded, don't care about skeletons around and some of them are unkillable for no apparent reason
lorefags BTFO
>>339608560
>They want to get it working. James wants to get it working
No, you're completely ignoring what I said because you're an idiot so I'm going to copy & paste it again for you to read.
>This paramilitary group walks in at gunpoint and demands complete control of this thing you have no reason to give them.
>Even if that's okay with you, you still have to ask yourself what they intend to do with it, because it's certainly not for the same righteous intentions you have.
>>339607675
Fans have more business deciding what's canon than some corporate jew obtaining the rights to an IP and milking it for every shekel with committee-manufactured installments for the CoD audience.
Say, if I go ahead and publish a Bible edition with a fifth Gospel about Space Mutant Jesus buttsex orgies, it doesn't magically become part of canonical Christian dogma.
>>339604570
Is this character an expert on ghouls?
>>339607663
you're saying that like your opinion is relevant. Who the fuck even asks you what is canon or not you idiot?
beth owns the game, they were fair enough to place their sequels on the west coast so they can do whatever they want.
all that said, the blade runner theme in 4 is fucking horrible.
>>339606198
It's "tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies" ya doofus.
>>339608806
>Blade Runner Theme
>No THAT GUN
I died a little inside.
>>339608731
I didn't ignore it. The Enclave wants to get it working. They say that to James. Why the fuck would he kill himself and try to destroy it rather than let them try to fix it?
>>339608764
it does if the pope and the cardinals approve it
This is a Bethesda damage control shill thread. Bethesda, and indeed, many other companies(and even religions and cities) pay people to go online to defend them or speak good of them, as well as paint their rivals or enemies in a negative light.
This has been happening for years and you can read about it on Google and watch videos on it on YouTube.
The flow of time in Boston is convoluted
>>339608794
slave owner, he probably has tested his theories on ghouls
>>339609183
this.
>>339609082
Stop posting until you actually address my argument.
>>339608764
>Say, if I go ahead and publish a Bible edition with a fifth Gospel about Space Mutant Jesus buttsex orgies, it doesn't magically become part of canonical Christian dogma.
Exactly, because the church (who actually "owns" the "copyrights" for the christian dogma) decides that is canon or not. Not some butthurt neckbeard.
>>339604570
So they went for the magic route to explain their plot holes.
Bethesda truly is the worst.
>>339609082
Because if they fix it, they're not going to just say "FREE WATER FOR EVERYONE!"
They're going to hoard it, and just let Enclave staff use it.
The dad knew that, and he was already sick of having to bow down to an overseer for years so he wasn't going to do that shit all over again.
He'd rather die and break the purifier and hope that you can later on fix it.
Which you do.
FO3's writing is shit but come on, anyone could have followed what was going on. A story shouldn't have to spell out every single little thing for you.
>>339609564
Fallout radiation has always been magic.
>>339609737
Harold is not a ghoul.
>>339609257
So how do you tell them from real Bethesda fans?
>>339609832
>harold the ghoul is not a ghoul
Just get out.
>>339609591
Realistically it's more likely the Enclave scientists will get it working than James' little kid. And even if they didn't want to give water to everyone for free, once they fixed the purifier he could build another one with the knowledge gained from the first one. But that begs the question, what was so wrong with it in the first place? It's just a water purification system. The whole premise is stupid.
1, 2, and NV are not canon
3 and 4 are.
Obsidian shouldnt be allowed anywhere near the fallout franchise. Nobody cares about muh lore i only care about shooting things in a post-nuclear world.
>>339609975
He is NOT a ghoul, retard.
>>339609257
>have multiple daily "I GOT SPURS" autistic threads
>have once in a blue moon thread about a beth FO, that isn't even positive
>shilling
Obsidiots, always the No.1 worst fans in gaming.
>>339609991
>And even if they didn't want to give water to everyone for free, once they fixed the purifier he could build another one with the knowledge gained from the first one.
>lol who cares if they take control you can just make another jeez
You're literally a cuck. I'm done talking to you.
>>339606270
Reading the old Fallout Bibles really made it clear that they didn't give a fuck about the history or science of the game world. They wanted cool post apocalyptic retrofuturistic shit and handwaved the causes with an absent minded line or two of dialogue.
>>339609975
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Harold
>Harold (...) is an FEV mutant - originally a human from Vault 29(...)During an exploration of Mariposa Military Base, he was exposed to F.E.V. Initially, he mutated into what appears to be an ordinary ghoul, but was later distinguished by a tree growing out of his head some years later.
Take your own advice.
>>339605671
Some animals on earth can reverse the aging process. It's actually fascinating stuff.
>>339609975
Do you know what FEV is?
>>339610193
>retrofuturistic
Except Bethesda came up with that
>>339609975
Way to show you only played F3, Anon.
>>339610234
> is an FEV mutant
> just a fancy name for a ghoul
Obsidiots on full damage control.
what a bunch of retards
>>339610234
>>339610263
So unless you can come up with an explanation on why he turned into something that looks exactly like a ghoul instead of a super mutant it doesn't matter.
>>339608347
>radiation keeps you alive no matter what
>starve for fucking ever unless you eat
Probably explains all the feral in low food areas too
>>339610141
>have once in a blue moon
>blue moon
You saw me standing alone
>>339610319
What are you fucking stupid? F3 is exactly the game where harold is a FUCKING TREE
>>339610450
>FEV mutant
>fancy name for a ghoul
You are embarassing yourself, Anon.
>>339610234
Fallout Bible says FEV is involved to some extent for all ghouls.
>>339609991
>once they fixed the purifier he could build another one with the knowledge gained from the first one.
and you think they are just going to let him do that and completely destroy their monopoly that gives them immense power?
>>339606184
This bothers me to no end
If I remember correctly the Vault Dweller didn't react like that when he met either Set or Harold
>>339610234
So FEV is magic, then. Doesn't change anything, really.
So is this incorrect? I don't know all that much about ghouls in Fallout I guess but it doesn't sound that far off
>>339610462
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Harold
>Harold and a group of other adventurers—among them a man named Richard Grey, who was a doctor living in the Hub who was equally perplexed by the strange mutants—tracked the mutant population and eventually found its source: an old military base that seemed to be spawning mutant creatures.
>Inside, most of them were killed by the mutants that littered the base as well as by its automated security systems. Harold, Richard, and a few others made it fairly deep into the base, where they found immense vats filled with a strange thick, green solution (F.E.V.) that seemed to be mutating the animals. A large robotic arm knocked Grey into a vat, where Harold assumed he died (when actually, he became the Master). Harold himself was knocked unconscious. He awoke some time later out in the desert, already starting to mutate. A caravan eventually found him and brought him back to the Hub, where he settled into a destitute existence.
>>339608560
>They want to get it working. James wants to get it working.
Trump wants to be president. Clinton wants to be president.
>>339610682
>So FEV is magic, then
No, where did you take that idea from?
>>339610743
There can be only president at any time.
Water purifier can work regardless.
Your analogy is shitty.
>>339608659
>and when you let him out he isn't utterly insane from centuries of isolation.
That's the one thing that bothered me. They literally just make ghouls out of the blue, but fuck it idc. He doesn't eat or drink? Fuck it, idc. He isn't batshit crazy or feral after being isolated for so long? Unbelievable. NO ONE found this nigga after 200 years? Implausible.
On the other hand, do you think being a ghoul is genetic? Him and his whole family turned ghoulish. Wonder if there's something positive we can take from this.
Ghouls drink water and I'm pretty sure do need to eat.
>retconning previous lore to fix your mistakes
LOL
>>339610272
No they didn't. Back in 2007 NMA was worried that Beth, among many things, was going to move the series away from the retofuturistic setting.
>>339610816
>Fallout 4 says ghouls are immune to radiation, don't age or eat
>anon says "So they went for the magic route to explain their plot holes. Bethesda truly is the worst."
>The same is true in Fallout 1 and 2
>>339604570
God this is incredibly fucking retarded
>>339610241
Those animals don't have brains, braincells or any complex organs. They also don't have "memories" or a personal identity. Applying this sort of process to us is impossible, brain cells are unique and never replaced, and even if we could theoretically do it, we'd completely forget everything in the process.
>>339605569
Even if he didn't need to eat, he should have gone insane from the isolation.
DELETE THIS
BETHESDA ARE THE BEST WRITERS THIS SERIES HAS EVER HAD YOU OBSIDIANSHITTIANS
>>339611095
Sauce?
Both iqdb and google give nothing.
>>339610037
Nice False-flag comment.
All those games are officially canon.
>>339610234
why are there no references in that part of the article concerning his origin?
fan fiction a.k.a damage control
>>339610908
>There can be only president at any time.
THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE
Reminder that Bethesda basically admitted most their writers haven't played FO1/2, and just use the wiki for lore.
>>339610272
Where did the fucking plasma guns come from dumbass?
>>339611182
it's Zone, the secret part of the Bioshock Infinite one
>>339611363
You are incorrect. Why do you want to smear Bethesda?
>>339610037
I get NV being non canon, but why not 1 and 2? If not then why is 3 called 3? shouldn't be Fallout 1 again?
>>339611363
I don't have to play half assed written games to know that Fallout 3 and 4 have some of the best and most beautiful writing in any medium ever.
>>339611416
Contemporary futuristic ideas when Fallout 1 and 2 were made?
>>339611182
you haven't been here nearly long enough if you can't recognize zone's animations
>>339611469
Fallout 3 is like Final Fantasy VII. They just chose to use numbers for artistic sake, despite it being the first true game in the series.
>>339610908
In this analogy the working water purifier is the parallel to the US. It's not about who builds it but who controls it
>>339611420
>>339611095
>Zoneshit
>Bioshit
>>339608540
If you take Necropolis' water chip without fixing their surface pump they all dehydrate to death.
>>339611601
Makes sense
>>339611339
We really should solve political disputes highlander style.
If anything it'd be entertaining.
>>339611601
Good thing I don't care about some shitty console weeb game.
wasn't the fallout bible written so bethesda would not fuck up ?
why did bethesda throw the fallout bible as well as fallout 1 and 2 out the window when developing 3 and 4
fallout 3 and 4's writing feels more like bad fan fiction than an actual sequel to fallout
also why is the capital wasteland still in shambles after 200 years ?
i mean california had it's own government by then
>>339604570
>Bethesda is so shit at consistency they're retconning things from their own games
Even ghouls in Fallout 3 had to eat.
>>339611530
M8 I really can't be fucked with this argument
Read the Fallout Bible
The guy cites the 1950s World of Tomorrow as a key point of reference
>>339611614
It doesn't matter who controls the purifier, once it's on it purifies the entire bay.Yet James is willing to kill himself and destroy his lifes work to spite the enclave and prevent this from happening. Does he even know who they are? Why would he kill himself rather then let them have the purifier?
>>339610234
>>339610263
>>339610072
When you ask him what the hell he is, he literally answers with "I'm a ghoul.".
>>339606184
Not saying the writing is not shit but the lone wanderer can be a jackass, I mean he is canonically a teenager.
The Vault Dweller is by all accounts a chosen adult.
>>339611160
Brain cells are not unique and are replaced though, all cells get replaced.
>>339612135
>why is the capital wasteland still in shambles after 200 years ?
Because Fallout are post-apocalyptic games and that's what post-apocalyptic looks like. No one cares about playing a rebuilt world.
>>339612135
Because Bethesda are extremely fucking mind-numbingly extremely fucking batshittingly bad at using extra lore. They manage to somehow mock up no matter what when it comes to lore and it's absolutely astounding. In Skyrim the world is asbolutely fucking dull. No interesting quest, no nothing we haven't seen before and it's the same every single goddamn time.
The worst part is just how easily they manage to fuck up shit they can avoid. But it's also painstakingly obvious they genuinely don't give two fucking shits about lore. Absolutely horrible developers and I hope they go fucking bankrupt.
>>339611363
Source?
>>339612135
FO3 purpose was to bring forth New Vegas, and can be forgiven. Despite it all is enjoyable.
Now FO4 fucking sucks. Obsidian raised the bar tenfold only for Bethesda to lower to the mere depths. They replaced rpg elements with le epic survival game memes, and still crafting, and building settlements feels more like a shitty tower defense mod / minigame than anything else.
>>339612465
and obsidian is good at lore?
don't fucking make me laugh, they make shit up as they go and make out excuses when something doesn't work, just like everybody else.
>>339612463
>No one cares about playing a rebuilt world
>implying that's not the best thing about post apocalyptic fiction
Anyone can make some run down buildings, don't even have to go post apocalyptic for that. It's what they do with all the new cultures that makes it interesting.
>>339612653
>looting and finding new interesting items was one of the best parts about 3/NV
>get rid of it in favor of having 3 weapons you can customize in a way that barely changes how they play
Gee thanks. Can't wait to use the same pipe rifle for 60 hours.
>>339612463
>no one cares about playing a rebuilt world
>what is fallout 2
>what is new vegas
>>339612338
I'm Pete Hines.
>>339612135
Dude, i get it alright, but just give up, there's no point in getting mad anymore, bethesta shat the bed so hard is barely even fallout anymore
The franchaise as you know it and like it is dead, and nothing is going to change that, you have to move on
>>339611670
>not liking zone
how's your crippling debt and lack of social life treating you, dickwad?
>>339612135
Even Avallone have said the Bible is non-canon.
>>339613138
> what is the west coast
fucking obsidiots not even knowing their own game lore.
>>339608476
I think we actually do kinda have a way, it's just that the method kinda increases chances of cancer by a fuck ton.
Not entirely sure, but I think it would have something to do with telomerase.
I'm kinda talking out of my ass though, just something I've heard somewhere, so don't take my word for it.
>>339613374
to be fair fallout 1 was kinda a broken world
>>339612338
That's because while he was ugly as sin and ghouls are first thing he could be compared to.
Basically, he didn't understand what he was turned into.
>>339610687
In theory it works, as Ghouls will naturally regenerate their bodies simply by metabolizing radiation, but it would mean the ghoul would be in a perpetual state of dehydration/hunger and probably in crippling pain as a result.
So it's feasible, but it would suck all kinds of ass to do it. It would also explain why ferals are found in sealed-off, yet radioactive areas, they're subsisting on just enough rads to keep ticking over and will attack anything edible the moment they see it.
>>339611268
There are later on in his biography.
>>339612338
Because he thinks he is one.
Doesn't mean he is though.
>>339613637
Well people in the thread are saying the guy talking's a slaver or something, right? I haven't seen him in game before but if he is a slaver it would make sense that he wouldn't be feeding his slaves if they could technically survive not being fed.
I don't see what people are getting triggered about in that OP image
>yfw the master somehow comes back to life with the power of plot connivence
>yfw everyone will love bethesda for it because a bunch of drooling morons from the fallout wiki will applaud it
>>339604570
So pretty much Ghouls are a superior human since they don't have any weakness to things that are harmful to humans why wouldn't you want to be one
>>339614115
>Because he thinks he is one.
>Doesn't mean he is though.
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
fucking stop already man!
I hate the beth fallout and what they did to it, but even I admit they're just adding shit to harolds backstory so he seems more plausible. it's okay dude, its a fictional made up world, there are no concrete origin rules. it's all made up. let them have their crappy lore fun on the east coast.
>>339614320
The specific conditions needed to become a ghoul rather than dying of radiation are not fully understood. It's a gamble.
At least in was in 1/2/NV, in 3/4 basically fucking everyone turn into ghouls as soon as they get hit by radiation, except for PC of course.
>>339614320
nah, they can't reproduce, most of them are bat shit crazy, so they are bound to be extincted at some point.
>>339614445
I wasn't talking about east coast at all.
Harold thinks he is a ghoul because he has no knowledge about FEV. Just because you think something doesn't make it real.
>>339614534
>3/4 basically fucking everyone turn into ghouls as soon as they get hit by radiation
Bullshit
Camp Searchlight in NV
>>339614665
I am saying that you look retarded if you don't see that theory is just damage control they made up later. AND THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT!
>>339612708
Of course they make new shit with their games, but they didn't deviate from any of the established rules in New Vegas or completely butcher things just to have SOMETHING in the game. There's no comparison to be made.
>>339612463
Why cant they just set the game somewhere between 10-50 yrs after the bombs dropped? That way it makes sense for everything to be in a shitty state.
Looting your local walmart 200 years later just makes no sense.
>>339614681
Yeah, a lot of soldiers in Searchlight turned into ghouls.
Meanwhile NV also had this chick who wanted to become a ghoul, went to the old nuclear test site and just fucking died.
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Die-ary_of_Trash#Entry_one_in_the_Die-ary_of_Trash
>>339608917
>find obvious Blade Runner homage, 'Deckard' and 'Roy', on Mass Fusion Disposal roof
>'Deckard' doesn't have That Gun.
Fucking Bethesda.
>>339614910
Well because Fallout 2 set the bar by being 200 years after the war. If you want to stay on the same tech level and not basically remake the game you have to stick with that.
>>339608046
>Because they litereally intent to commit a genocide against the inhabitants of the wasteland by utilizing the purifier
No, only Eden intends to do that, which is why Autumn breaks against his control.
And yet, despite being the person who can help him turn on the purifier, Autumn tries to kill you for no reason. And despite you probably not wanting to agree to Eden's plan, Autumn still wants to kill you for some reason. And despite having no reason for either of you to not want the other to turn on the purifier, since at that point it does not matter, Autumn still fights you for some reason.
Do we have any record of Avellone or Sawyer's thoughts about Fallout 4? I want to know what they think about it.
>>339614827
The really old ones are tough and less flavorful, if I recall correctly.
Still, not exactly incorrect.
http://2ogmrlfzdthnwkez.
>>339608046
Incorrect. Only President Eden wants to do his. Colonel Autumn vetoed it, as he can veto anything the President says (as proved by Autumn telling the troops in Ravenrock to kill you and even the President himself telling you if you ask).
>>339615114
They probably liked it. Well, I know Sawyer liked Skyrim, and Avellone likes Bethesda.
>>339611160
Are you implying you don't consist of cells
>>339615064
Did tech advance within that 200 year span? If it did why is literally every enemy in FO4 using pipe rifles?
>>339612338
That's because he think he is. He literally turned into a fucking tree. Please point me to other ghouls who have turned into trees.
>>339615230
Yes, I'm a being of radiant light with a huge throbbing horse cock.
>>339609591
How would they hoard a fucking river?
What the fuck are you talking about? How do you stop people from accessing the whole Potomac? Fucking Rivet City is sitting right in the river.
>>339615338
How do you know all the trees you see in the game didn't used to be ghouls?
>>339615064
Having F2 200 years later made sense tough as the civilization was rebuilding. In F4 they didnt even manage to clear the streets of rubble or built anything larger than a shack.
>>339615487
because your mom told me so last night
>>339608476
Didn't some woman "reverse" her age just recently.
>>339604570
That just biologically doesn't make sense and breaks the law of conservation of energy.
>>339614910
it is clear you haven't lived in any semi dangerous/devastated area. society falls apart after a normal war, look at Syria, now imagine a global NUCLEAR WAR with radiation effect that creates monsters of everything that moves. Plus you have gangs, bandits, raiders, and million other hazardous shit, so yeah, 200 years of living in crap conditions seems pretty plausable
>>339615779
So does your face.
>>339615779
logic BTFO
>>339608571
honestly he could've really lied
>>339604570
Fuck Bethesda have absolutely shit writers
>>339615779
What if radiation made them develop an ability to harness sunlight?
>>339615847
See >>339615558
Literally everything is still in a state that seems like the bombs dropped like 2 weeks ago.
My only gripe with it is how barely anyone even tried. The only setllment that even gives off the vibe of trying is diamond city.
>>339612408
Brain cells don't get replaced. The common pop-science bullshit about your entire body being replaced in 7 years or whatever is bullshit.
>>339605671
Aren't cancerous cells immortal or something?
>>339612408
Brain cells are not replaced.
Just because a lot of cells in your body get replaced doesn't mean it applies to all of them.
>>339616320
Some type of photosynthesis is not a great hypothesis when most feral ghouls live underground.
>>339604570
Nice textures son, where did you get those, the 1990's?
>>339616421
>>339616559
Some neurons can be replaced
>>339616320
What if radiation made them develop an ability to shoot laser beams out of their eyes?
>>339616375
>. The only setllment that even gives off the vibe of trying is diamond city.
well that's kind of the whole point. it's fucking dangerous out there, it's hard to raise a family let alone a settlement.
For my personal taste, the beth FO is a bit too harsh, but I'm also not a big fan of the mojave also. It seemed too peaceful, all these gangs and shit didn't seem to do anything except hang out in their towns and camps. Okay only a few bombs fell so it makes sense that its not full of radiated creatures, but most of the settlements don't even have basic defense. That would make sense if the NCR controlled the Mojave for 50 years.
>>339608476
If you're talking about Telomers, that's just one theory.
If you're talking about reactive oxygen species, that's also just one theory.
If you're talking about anything else, it's also just one theory.
Chances are all are correct.
>>339614827
>tfw I was meant to live forever
>I was meant to be the main character
>but I end up on a table all buttered up instead
>>339616774
In theory you're right, but that's just two (i think) areas of the brain. It shows that it would be possible to regenerate parts of the brain, but in nature the majority of the brain is unique and destroyed parts will stay destroyed.
>>339616672
Undergrounds usually have some aritfical light sources as well.
I know it's a retarded idea though.
>>339616953
Photosynthesis is something that widely exists in nature. Laser eyes are not.
>>339614282
>The Master comes back
>he's on the east coast now for some reason
>he makes no mention of anything from Fallout 1
>he's leading the Enclave
How mad would you be?
>>339614827
There is also a jellyfish that can just reset itself to it's colonial stage. Making it immortal.
>>339617441
Terminal lucidity is pretty interesting, though.
>>339617515
Mildly upset.
>>339617515
Not at all, i gave up already, i feel fine actually
>>339616953
wow, you really defied my first impressions of you, lazers from their eyes...I'll be sure to look out for that one
>>339617873
I had a dream of Fallout. It was dead, but it was all right.
>>339604570
I fucking shot that guy. It was his fault.
I just went through Quincy Ruins, killed everyone. On my way out a guy in combat armor holding a pistol just walks into my line of sight. Of course he got shot.
>>339611363
>>339611438
>>339611478
>>339612649
He might have been talking about this, though I hope not, given that Avellone IS NOT affiliated with Bethesda.
>>339612338
>>339614445
>>339614803
Hello i'm a ghoul
>>339618708
>Bethesda mentioned "we don't track everything anymore, we just go to the wiki and figure out what the crossed lines are for everything, and that's basically our game design document now"
So yes, it is Bethesda that does it, and they're suggesting to Avellone that he should do it like that to.
>>339604570
Why the fuck do they hunt living people then?
>>339619104
>he was in charge of reactor maintenance in Vault 34
>left because he thought he turned into a ghoul
>reacor malfunctioned because no one knew how to repair it
>everyone in Vault 34 turned into a ghoul
>except for the guy who left because he thought he was a ghoul
Pottery
>>339614910
Because then they couldn't have the Brotherhood. Original factions are hard
>>339615216
>Avellone would rather work with Bethesda than Obsidian
Anyone have solid deets on why there's this bad blood?
>>339619474
I didn't even catch that part. I love how I keep discovering new shit for New Vegas after so long.
>>339619945
Sawyer shut down his ideas when making PoE.
>taking Fallout "lore" seriously
It was dumb and never made sense ever since the first game.
There was a fucking ghoul with a tree growing on his head and a vault full of talking Deathclaws, for fuck sake.
>>339621640
>thinking fallout 2 is canon
>>339621728
>only games I like are canon
lol
Get lost kid.
>>339621565
Sauce?
>>339621964
Some interview. He wanted Grieving Mother to have a bunch of deep shit but Sawyer didn't think it would fit within the game.
>>339604570
TODD, FIX THE FUCKING FPS DROP IN THE CITIES YOU LAZY FUCK
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>339609545
>the church
>singular
Chances are, your mother should've aborted you.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apocrypha#Disputes_over_canonicity
>>339621640
What, that didn't make sense? It was the first games and established perfectly fine rules. Talking deathclaws and a """"ghoul"""" wasn't completely wacky
>>339606440
Someone post the screenshot with the counterargument. I forgot to save it.
![b4b21b04b697b81bd8e31b0d59e225dd1db9513f6b3b3a89c36d49fc25b85bea_3[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/G7u1POc.jpg "b4b21b04b697b81bd8e31b0d59e225dd1db9513f6b3b3a89c36d49fc25b85bea 3[1]")
>>339604570
>, and
>, and
>COMMA, AND
I no longer care about this series.
I've moved beyond anger.
>>339622942
op here, I did not realize this FUCK YOU TODD
>>339622942
>he has never heard of the oxford comma
>>339622942
>what is the Oxford Comma
Why are grammarfags so shit at grammar?
>>339622942
it's a series smart guy
>>339623202
New Vegas wasn't that long ago and the Far Harbo DLC is good.
>>339608314
>This paramilitary group walks in at gunpoint and demands complete control of this thing you have no reason to give them.
thats the problem because you either have to know who or what they are beforehand OR fucking assume that they are all out bad and evil. Thats the problems since from how you are looking at it then pretty much anything and everything that for whatever reason stands against the player is automatically all out evil.
its shity writing and all lame and lazy storytelling that can only be one uped by some shitty mention of a prophecy.
its shitty writing where one is meant to self insert as the besteset person ever that can do anything and everything always for ever be it "good" or "evil".
and you know what if you are okay with or like it that is fine. Just be aware that what you like is genuinely fucking shitty and lazy.
I think beths strong point is TES and considering the obvious tes >fallout>tes>fallout>tes pattern I think they just quickly shit out a fallout game to keep up apperences so they can start working on the next TES game
>>339621640
>RPG backstories are for nerds!!!
This is you.
>>339624206
I guess the flaw in your theory is that Oblivion and Skyrim sucked ass compared to FO4.
>>339624314
Never played oblivon but I'm sure more than half of /v/ would kill you for saying oblivion sucks
>>339624424
Compared to fo4* that is>>339624314
>>339624206
>beths strong point is TES
That hasn't been the case since Oblivion, and even then, Oblivion isn't exactly a good game. It's saved by at least trying to be an RPG, which is more than can be said for 3, Skyrim and 4.
>>339624424
I really hope not. It seems most people who like Morrowind absolutely hate Oblivion.
>>339610149
>James makes another purifier
>The Enclave takes that too
>James makes another one again
>The entire wasteland is covered in water purifiers
>Everyone drowns
>>339608314
The Enclave wanted the purifier for the same reason the BoS wanted it. To control a major source of fresh water.
Presumably they'd both deny their enemies access to the water.
>>339624912
>>339624926
Why didn't James just repair the Megatron water purifier, then build a similar one in Rivet City?
As we've seen in F4, water purification isn't exactly difficult, and yet it's the main plot of 3. I don't get it.
>>339624912
Wow, it's just like my Japanese animes and Fallout 4 settlements!
>>339622585
The idea that (most) vaults were experiments was created by Tim Cain during the initial stages of Fallout 2 development. They planned for the played to find documents in Vault 8 regarding that.
Up until then the idea simply didn't exist. And this became something important in Fallout lore.
>Chris Avellone said, "It was intended that while the player was reading the Vault 8 records in Fallout 2, he could discover a classified file (opened with a successful Science skill roll) which explained that Vault 8 was a "control Vault," designed to hold 1000 people and to open on time. This file was intended to foreshadow the discovery of the true and sinister purpose of the Vaults
So, if I go Fallout fan logic either Fallout 1 isn't canon or Fallout 2 "Raped" the lore of the first game.
>>339621728
>boypussy
>>339621964
There's no real solid facts. Only rumors.
>>339624570
I played Oblivion on the 360, then got Morrowind GOTY on the Xbox, then on PC, then DaggerXL, then Skyrim on the 360. Morrowind is my absolute favorite, but, I still have a soft spot for Oblivion. It has a lot of shortcomings but also charm. I would rather all of them over Skyrim. It's not that Skyrim was really bad, but I just never got into it like I did the other ones. And I'm a sucker for wintery environments.
Never played a Fallout before 3. F3 gave me a kind of Morrowind vibe but that passed quickly. Didn't care for NV. Am slogging through F4 right now but I picked up the older Fallouts on GOG.
>>339625665
>Megaton is a "town" built from scrap metal with a good couple dozen or more people living there
>they managed to build a system that purifies and distributes enough water to everyone living there using old pipes, a sponge and some duct tape
>somehow the entire wasteland is dying of thirst (never really seen apart from that one begging guy who never gets any less thirsty no matter how much you give him, the greedy fuck) because literally nobody else can put together their own purifiers
Fallout 3 sure was something.
>>339610687
>>339613637
given this I would imagine starvation is the key to what makes ghouls feral
>>339606440
1. Fawkes will go in if you get the dlc
2. The enclave didn't want to fix the water purifier, they wanted to modify it so that it killed everyone with a hint of mutation, i.e. everyone not in the enclave or a vault
>>339625665
I think that issue would've been solved if there were stat requirements for building things.
INT for turrets/machinery like the purifier
END for walls and gates
Etc, etc
Replace the perk for stores with a stat requirement. You can keep the Science, Gun Nut, armorsmith perks but extend them.
Remember James had a whole team of people repairing the purifier. But the SS lawyer/infantryman can hold everything off the top of their head.
>>339607064
Quite a few consider the FO bible to be canon even though its author has stated it no longer is.
Just because dumb people agree on something doesn't make it so.
Numbered games are canon.Spinoffs are a gray area.NV stated there were no cats FO4 has shown there are.Guess which one matters.
>>339626251
What were the Enclave eating/drinking before then?
If they were drinking irradiated water, the the purifier plan would fail because they'd start dieing.
If they were drinking clean water, then they had a purifier already (or indeed knew how to make one) and so they could produce their own "death water" without fucking around in the Capital Wasteland.
>>339625665
>>339626132
You're an idiot.
Project Purity was about purifying the whole wasteland not just a few liters for some people.
That's like having a water purifier that left on would cleanse the whole Glowing Sea.
>>339626535
Not the poorly written one which disregards have of the lore established in 1 and 2 then.
>>339626251
>they wanted to modify it so that it killed everyone with a hint of mutation
President John Henry "Abortion of science" Eden wanted that. Autumn didn't, he just sort of wanted to be written by Obsidian and just grab control of clear water and come to power in the Capital Wasteland. Too bad he was written by Bethesda instead.
I love how Fallout 4 Ghouls work.
How they just lie there seeming dead until they detect something they can rip and tear.
It's very grim to see these people reduced to such mindless beings that the only alternative to violence is lying still on the floor as if dead. No drive, no desires, nothing but aggression.
>>339626669
>purifying the whole wasteland
>implying this needed to happen
Just because the East Coast fucktards are incompetent doesn't mean the rest of the wasteland is.
And if it's about helping the whole wasteland, why did the Brotherhood gladly walk into The Pitt and shoot everyone without question?
>"They were raiders!"
No, not everyone one. There are more raiders than NPCs in the Capital Wasteland, does than mean they can "purge" that world space as well?
>>339606551
>Next number in sequential series of games
>Spin off
Tactics and the shitty ps2 game are spin offs.
>>339625841
Again, this adds another layer to established lore. The piece here about Fallout 4 and its ghouls is that it's going against what pretty much everyone assumed and what is completely logical. How do ghoul survive without food? Meanwhile some vaults being experiments just adds another layer. I don't think it's comparable at all.
>>339625841
Vaults being experiments doesn't contradict the previous game, whereas ghouls not needing to eat does.
someone post the picture with peter hines arguing with fan on twitter about jet and fridge kid
>>339627078
>How do ghoul survive without food?
They are basically walking cancer.
Biological bodies consume digestible matter and convert it into energy. Ghouls simply consume radiation instead.
Radiation in Fallout is somewhat magic. That comes with the whole "50s future" theme, since people really didn't understand radiation in the 50s. There was a ton of hyperbole going on about radiation and its effects.
>>339627451
Thought I had it, found this though instead.
>>339608476
>>339610241
You still age, as in you get chronologically older. You just don't have any or as many signs of said aging
>>339611363
Have you seen the level of autism in TES Lorefags?
That is a kind of resource you would have to pay 100's of thousands of dollars to duplicate.
Fallout isn't as lore heavy so I can't speak to that crowd.
>>339606440
>We can't let Colonel Autumn and the Enclave take control of the water purifier! If they do, they'll completely control the capital wasteland and will rule it with an ironhand! They'll oppress the common folk and bully the muties!
Fast forward.
>Well it looks like f̶u̶h̶r̶e̶r̶ Leader Maxson is in control of everything now. Oh he basically controls the capital wasteland now? Huh. Well, they were cool before so maybe- nope wait that BoS guy is kicking that non-feral ghoul's face in.
So, did you guys side with the Enclave in Fallout 4?
>>339627078
I actually do think this added element and the quest were stupid. But like I said in the beginning of the thread many of these things were never clear to begin with. Even the original games were inconsistent.
I can argue radiation can cause mutation that makes some individual immune to hunger and may cause them to hibernate in some way.
It's stupid but it does fit Fallout whether you admit it or not.
>>339606690
They're literally non-canon. They have nothing to do with actual Fallout canon; 3 and 4 are basically their own IP with a Fallout coat of paint, bearing no resemblance to 1 or 2.
>>339627779
And this.
>>339604570t. Pete Hines
seriously you can't fucking convince me pines didn't make this happen, bethesda's writers are hacks but they aren't this fucking stupid, also how the fuck can something you're immune to heal you
>>339627350
Actually it does contradict the first game. And it should be pretty obvious why. Vaults are shelters in one game then they become experiments. A very radical shift. It is a major element that actually made it more interesting
>>339619945
Percieved lack of respect.
Being treated like a stretch goal whore and no one having a problem with it.One "We need you here Chris" would have gone a long way.
>>339608806
>beth owns the game
Then why aren't they making canon games?
>>339627887
The BOS still treated ghouls like shit even back in FO3. The guard ghoul lady who stands at the front of underworld talks about how the BOS at the washington monument still shoot at them even though they know they are friendly. Nothing has changed.
>>339627519
>>339627934
kek, well they do look like cancer patients now. But no, i don't buy that. I don't buy Bethesda's shitty reimagination, it's too nonsensical. Radiation never worked realistically in Fallout but ghouls literally surviving on nothing but radiation is so fucking dumb I just can't believe that.
>>339627887
>Fu- leader Maxson is literally like a prince
I also like how you casually make water purifiers in Fallout 4 like nothing
>>339628181
two centuries in a fridge
it's literally the exact same as waiting in a fridge from when Napoleon was alive until now
so much shit happened in 200 years, it's a damn long time
and that kid spent the same amount of time, keeping his sanity
>>339628316
>Vaults are shelters in one game
but they failed
horribly
Yes, obviously this retcon changes the in-universe explanation for why most failed, but the change is CONSISTENT with what was previously established-that is, the Vaults mostly being shit- whereas the Jet change is just "No, it was a pre-war drug now".
>>339628181
>>339628307
Are we dumping Hines related images? I can comply.Requesting the Hines/Harry supermutant image
>>339628362
Exactly what happened between Obsidian and Chris, anon? What's the story here?
>>339628362
>stretch goal whore
What?The rest is obviously speculation on your part, so I don't expect a sauce.
>>339628535
Nobody exactly knows. Anyone claiming they do is probably a liar.
>>339627779
>>339628092
The only mistake here is that Pete is actually fucking replying.
>waaah there are extremely minor lore inconsistencies in a 20 year franchise that is LITTERED with absurd amounts of lore in every one of the games
Why does everyone get their fucking panties in a goddamn twist because ONE of the dozens of writers who write fluff lore made a small mistake when listing a series of drugs? It's a mistake. A tiny one. Calling the writers degenerates over it is fucking embarrassing.
>>339628750
If I, an unpaid retard who has only played 3 and New Vegas, knew that Jet was a prewar drug, why don't the writers who are actually making the fucking game?
>>339628750
It's not a mistake when Emil is the writer, this guy is just fan-fiction fag.
How could you fuck up so badly?
Oblivion > F3 > Skyrim > F4 ...I don't even want to see script for TES VI
>>339619945
It might not be bad blood.
Working on a pre-created game is often far less rewarding than being around for the games creation from the ground up. You can't change base mechanics nearly as much, and are far more limited in scope.
As a developer it seems reasonable someone would want to be there for the games initial creation. Many developers will take worse paying jobs just for a modicum of creative control on the project.
>>339628750
Hi Pete, or is it Todd today? Hard to tell these days, everyone has internet these days, but at least you could use that bandwidth to look at the wiki and read before you write. Use it before we run out of bandwidth, as Extra Credits would've said.
>>339614827
Lobsters are not immortal. Stop spreading these lies around, Todd.
>>339605671
Perhaps the radiation mutated the ghoul's cells. I mean it's a far enough stretch trying to explain how they were able to survive a nuclear apocalypse at all, but such is the suspension of disbelief in Fallout games.
>>339627887
My big beef with Brotherhood in 4 is how they basically threw away the one interesting thing with Fallout 3; that being the schism between the Lyon's Brotherhood and the Outcasts.
4's explanation as to how the issue was resolved is mindbogglingly stupid.
>Outcasts and Lyon's hate each other
>Lyon's dies of natural causes and is succeeded by his daughter Sarah
>Outcasts kill Sarah
>Maxson becomes "Elder" at 16
>Forces the Outcasts into a truce, who eventually join back with Lyon's chapter
>Maxson decides "fuck it, we need to return back the Brotherhoods routes and stop all this philanthropy bullshit"
It renders the whole point of the war redundant. If he defected to the Outcasts and have them win the war, I would've accepted it, but having Maxson just side with the Outcast's ideology yet manages not to annoy all the Lyon loyalists is absurd.And there is no mention of Ashur and the Pitt, which would have really messed up the legitimacy of the Lyon's chapter
>>339626730
>>339626535
There are no cats on the West Coast/Midwest. How hard is that to understand? For as much shit as you people give Bethesda at least they show a little bit of respect to the IP. They set their games far away from the previous entries, on the East Coast, with their biggest transgression being a Brotherhood battalion being stationed there. And even then they still have Brotherhood loyalists fighting against the Citadel Brotherhood. They go even further by having Arthur Maxson return to Brotherhood form in the sequel.
>>339629110
Supposedly they're theoretically immortal.
>>339628973
It is bad blood though else he wouldn't have burned those bridges.
>>339628973
Are guys suggesting Avellone might theoretically work for Bethesda? I think it might be awesome if he can get along with those guys.
>>339628750
It's an RPG. They are making a game which is supposed to follow and keep track of this.
I can understand in an FPS, but this is genre which is focused on stories and world building.Why did I even reply to this bait?
>>339628948
Because things slip peoples minds. Humans fuck up. I'm not saying it wasn't a mistake, just that it's a very minor deal.
It's not like the terminal in question was specifically about Jet either. It was a list of drugs, that Jet happened to be a part of.
>>339628750
Reminds of when Homer Simpson destroyed the nerds at a Comic Book Q&A for Itchy and Scratchy.
Fallout 4 is not a bad game because it doesn't follow every fact, this isn't a series of novels where you expect the Author to know every detail.
Fallout 4 sucks because the story is awful, I don't think there's a single person who has even said anything positive about the story which is amazing since even Skyrim's plot was decent enough that there were threads arguing over the Stormcloaks vs. Imperials.
>>339629110
>>339629218
My understanding is that they're resistant to the genetic degradation that defines aging, but they keep growing, so they eventually reach a point where they're simply too big (and thus require too much energy consumption) to feasibly survive.
>>339607105
Try playing fallout 2 today if you think culture references/memes were bad in 3.
>>339629217
You're asking people to be thankful to Bethesda because they "respect" the lore. They don't, which is why Fallout 3 is shit-tier canon. Fuckton of used factions and asspulls all over the place. It's not original and its distance from the east makes it seem even sillier. If they had it on the east coast they'd have to follow actual rules which they didn't want to.
>>339629392
Hmm, interesting.
>>339629217
Cats were going to appear in OG Fallout 3 (Van Buren) in both domestic and wild flavours.
>>339629152
>schism in the Fo3 Brotherhood
>interesting
Weeew lad!
>>339629380
The writing in FO4 is way better than it is in any other bethesda games.
It's funny because I keep hearing people saying how it's the worst thing ever but I never hear any specifics. It's almost like people go into it expecting to suck so that's all they can see.
>>339629218
>>339629392
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/ist/?next=/science-nature/dont-listen-to-the-buzz-lobsters-arent-actually-immortal-88450872/
No, you guys saw a meme and thought it sounded cool so you're purporting it as fact with virtually no evidence.
>>339622675
that's because its terrible, wrong, and only exists for free yous
>>339604570
WHO WROTE THIS? I HAVE AN ANGRY TWEET LOCKED AND LOADED
>>339629380
>pissing off your fanbase
>good
See this is THE single biggest flaw when a company decides to make a sequel/remakes/prequel.
What should happen is that people who bought the first game/movie should be top priority. You keep the existing fanbase happy, then you'll break even with your profit.
What has happened is this idea that companies have to "appeal to a wider audience" first, which would naturally mean changing the original product to cater to the new market. This is so fucking backward as a premise no wonder people are slowing backing away from the idea of remakes and sequels.
I'm not saying you shouldn't cater to the new market, because if you don't then once your old clientèle starts vanishing, you need a new market of consumers to take over.
>>339628646
How many KS projects has Chris writing something as a stretch goal?
His work on PoE got gutted.
I think it is known now he was going to have a larger role on Tyranny and got pulled.
How would you react to the same situation.I don't think it was bad blood more like a married couple that just grows apart.
Well there is probably a little bad blood.
>ghouls don't have to eat
>they are always in subways scavenging for food
BETHESDA
>>339629651
Why did he even reply if he's not interested in discussing it?
It's already established Ghouls don't need Food/Water though. That was already a thing by FO3 when you constantly find them in sealed rooms. The kid in the fridge isn't even CLOSE to the only ghoul who is locked in a sealed room with no food or water.
>>339629651
what a way to fucking murder a good franchise, I'm so glad I didn't buy FO4
>>339608819
lol
underrated
>>339629614
>FO4 writing
>Better than Oblivion and Morrowind
>>339629927
it doesn't mean they don't feel hunger.
>>339629619
No, this was something I heard years ago. Unlike most of you, I don't deal in memes and meme accessories.
Neato link, though. I did not know their digestive systems were part of their exoskeletons.
>>339629869
>why do people like money
>>339629619
I didn't see a meme, I heard about it on QI.
>>339629614
You're either stupid, baiting or fresh off the summerboat.
>>339629614
>The writing in FO4 is way better than it is in any other bethesda games.
i'm not an Elderscroll fag but i doubt the actual effort to establish lore for the series was more apparent than the fubar situation we have with fallout 4
>>339629991
Sorry but if you think Oblivion's writing is anything other than the absolute bottom of the barrel you're beyond saving.
>>339629589
Yes I know it shouldn't have happened in the first place, and the Outcasts were so obviously tacked on at the last minute (one location, no quests, first DLC had to made about them to justify their presence in the game).
Compared to everything else in 3, it was something that I hoped in F4 they'd address.
I'm only saying it was interesting by comparison to every other shit thing thrown at us. The Pitt and Point Lookout are the only other things were mentioning about 3, and even then, they aren't exactly great. The Pitt is unbelievably half assed and rushed, and Point Lookout suffers horribly from bullet spongers and level scaling.
>>339630159
Lore and writing aren't the same thing. The background lore in FO4 doesn't make 100% sense but the actual dialogue and main plot is good.
>>339630183
He said as he thought Fallout 4 had good writing
>>339608060
The still need water. Just don't need to eat.
>>339629927
those are feral ghouls, and they're just carnivorous because their capacity for civility has deteriorated so greatly that they kill on sight.
>>339629869
>What has happened is this idea that companies have to "appeal to a wider audience" first, which would naturally mean changing the original product to cater to the new market. This is so fucking backward as a premise no wonder people are slowing backing away from the idea of remakes and sequels.
Do you honestly think Fallout 3 would have been even remotely successful if only Fallout fans had been able to enjoy it? Fallout fanbase was tiny before Bethesda games came out. Most people had never even heard of it.
Most of /v/ probably didn't play FO1/2 before FO3 came out and only played them because of /v/ insisting they're better.
>>339630183
Main quest aside for Oblivion, the guild quests, especially the Dark Brotherhood, are amazing.
Shivering Isles (and to a lesser extent KotN) are top tier DLCs.
All we have had from F4 is the plot to Fallout 3 only it's a dad chasing a son rather than a son chasing after his father, and two DLCs which are throwbacks to F3 content.
>>339630291
How did the kid survive without water for more than 200 years?
inb4 condensation on the door
>>339629614
I'll start. I don't want to waste a lot of time, so i'll start at the beginning.
A vault tech employee tries to sign you up for vault protection. You agree and minutes later the bombs are dropping. The paperwork hasn't been filed yet, but they still let you into the vault. If a week would have gone by it would be more convincing.
That is just the tip of the iceburg. I'll let other anons go into the rest.
>>339630072
>taking this big of risk
Look what's happened to Blizzard and Warcraft. If it wasn't for Hearthstone and Overwatch keeping the tugboat afloat, they'd be dead.
You wonder why so many people are asking for older versions, and why subscription numbers are plummeting faster than stocks in 1929.
>>339630315
Are you defending this not eating crap?
>>339606879
DELETE THIS
>>339630641
>A vault tech employee tries to sign you up for vault protection. You agree and minutes later the bombs are dropping. The paperwork hasn't been filed yet, but they still let you into the vault. If a week would have gone by it would be more convincing.
Except its secretly a cryogenic experiment. The Vault-Tec rep (and by extensions Vault Tec themselves) clearly know the bombs are dropping very shortly, which is why they rushed the application process (they did mention more steps that were completed earlier as well) to get you in before the blast.
There is a lot of lore about pre-war companies being shady as fuck, so it's not at all hard to believe they knew the bombs were coming before the general population did.
>>339630726
I don't have a solid idea on it either way, just wanted to chime in that it's possible the feral ghouls were only instinctively bloodthirsty but not necessarily hungry. I think Bethesda only put them in the subways to scare the shit out of people who went down there.
>>339630437
>to "appeal to a wider audience" first,
You are forgetting this key bit of information anon. By all means expand your product to more consumers, but make sure the existing customers are satisfied first, because they are a guaranteed market.
I'm not saying they should have made it ONLY for Fallout 1 and 2 fans, but they should have been taken into consideration before they decided just to stick in any old thing from the franchise and just called it a day.
>Well 1 and 2 had super mutants
>fuck it let's not read into why they had super mutants, let's just shove them into our game!
This is especially criminal when you consider what it is they are making, which is an RPG, which is supposed to be as "autistic" with this stuff as possible.
>>339617132
>There are more than one theory
>Therefore, chances are all are correct
That's... not how science works. Also, the theory of evolution is just one theory. Doesn't make it any less valid though.
>>339626193
Starvation, gradual senility, some sort of psychological tipping point set on by extreme stress, maybe a simple over-exposure to radiation. There's a ton of different ways it could happen, but nobody really knows more than the basics of ghoulification.
>>339630291
>>339630315
>ghoul trapped in a room
>explains what he's been eating and drinking in order to survive
wow obsidian are such hacks, why didn't they realize that ghouls didn't need to eat?? since they did work on the first two they should've known that, thanks bethesda :)
>>339630995
>but make sure the existing customers are satisfied first
That's literally impossible though. NMA will always find something to complain about.
>>339630437
Thing is though, being set on the East Coast allowed Bethesda to appeal to existing Fallout fans and new fans all at the same time if they played their cards right. All they had to do was come up with their own original stories and factions, sprinkle the Vaults, ghouls and all that lovely Fallout stuff into it while minding it stays consistent with the previous games, have a Brotherhood expedition entering the area or something to bring back a core faction, and presto! You've got a game that actually appeals to everyone.
Too bad Bethesda are shit at this whole 'setting and story' business, though.
So, is the F4 worth my time? I tried it before but just went to explore the maps and do some BoS quests for a while, then I got bored after I realized that they were repeatable quests and before I reached diamond city.
Are the main quest and the dlcs ok?
>>339612378
The chosen one and vault dweller could be 16 if you want, making them younger then the lone wanderer. Why they trust their fate to a child barely through puberty I have no clue.
>>339630283
>Lore and writing aren't the same thing
explain to me then what the fuck is writing and how lore is not a product of it
>The background lore in FO4 doesn't make 100% sense but the actual dialogue and main plot is good.
the dialogue in this game is drek, literally A Button always results in a kind / positive leaning statement.
B Button always results in an aggressive / negative leaning statement.
X Button always results in a neutral statement.
Y Button is always a question or a request for clarification. none of the main characters in the game are three dimensional, everyone in the game hates the institute and they don't give good reasons or seem apologetic for their crimes or give non selfish reasons to justify them, not to mention pic related contradicts several mechanics in the game the first being ghouls are immune to radiation, in combat radiation heals ghouls, making the statement false, and if ghouls need to eat why the fuck do ghoul settlers farm? it can't be to make money because anyone who wants food that badly can easily farm the shit or just rob the dumb-ass's that also implies that settlers at a pc controled settlement forced to work on food is a slave since the pc won't pay them for their work unless they steal it and sell it somewhere else
>>339605569
I honestly thought this quest was satire. Like some balloon boy-tier ruse. Some kid hiding in a fridge and leading you to an ambush at the very least. Instead, they legit play this bullshit straight, and the parents are still down the street, never bothering to check out the screaming fridge that sounds alot like their missing kid. Fuck that quest, I thought Bethesda had hit their all-time low in Skyrim and they still managed to suck even harder
>>339631235
no the main quest sucks and the dlc are even worse
I really think the Kid in the Fridge shit should have been handled like that one /tg/ thread about the fucking Lich in a Box. That would have been hilarious.
I think this is some of it, not all though.
>>339631148
the ghoul who was trapped in the room for 200 years was in Fallout 3, and he eventually ran out of food (which was all irradiated), yet you still find him there as a ghoul.
>>339631336
You're confusing lack of choice and the quality of the writing.
And why do you go on to mention only lore stuff after I already said it's not very good?
>>339631168
>NMA
People even beyond NMA have been moaning about Fallout 2 and it's "memes" for years, so you can't really just have ago at them.
BoS and Tactics were pretty shoddy anyway, and nobody defended them.
I don't blame NMA for getting pissy at F3 though. If you like something and it doesn't deliver, you get annoyed. That's just human behavior. Sports fans get annoyed when their team does badly for example.
>>339608571
>the kid in the second fallout lied
That would be both the funniest shit ever, and be a huge middle finger to fallout 2 fans at the same time.
>>339631358
>and the parents are still down the street
On this note, what is it with Bethesda and related characters conveniently all becoming ghouls together? The guy who killed real-Valentine's fiancée before the war is a fucking ghoul, too. It would have been much better if you and Nick spent all that effort tracking him down just to find a 200 year old skeleton.
>>339616257
It wouldn't explain how he is so experienced in chemistry and such though, hell he helps you in some ways to design a cure so he clearly knows his shit about jet.
>>339631235
No. Played through it once and deleted it at around level 30 on my second playthrough. It was a cash grab for sure.
If you like shooting things, collecting junk and putting points into skills that don't really matter for hours on end then yes.
>>339631740
>You're confusing lack of choice and the quality of the writing.
the quality of writing is relative the significance of difference between choices otherwise we have a linear mediocrity of lazy writing
>And why do you go on to mention only lore stuff after I already said it's not very good?
i'm bringing up contradictory mechanics as well as shit that is established in the game most of which has nothing to do with lore
>>339631780
I don't blame them for any legitimate complains they may have, and I am sure there are many.
My issue is that they stretch to find shit to bitch about.
A mention of Jet in a pre-war terminal is very harmless and a minor oversight. Especially considering its listed along side another drug, which means Jet wasn't even the focus of the lore.
>>339631825
Especially since the guy was sitting in there doing nothing for 200 years.
>>339631637
the quest is obviously supposed to be a joke
>>339631235
This thread is pretty much a Fallout haters haven at this point, so this is a terrible place to ask.
It depends what you want from the story. Most people agree the main quests are fairly good, and many people really liked Far Harbor.
It's almost worth playing to 15 just to dick around in Automatron and build an army of robots to populate your settlements.
>>339616257
Why the fuck would he lie? Jet didn't exist in F1 and it's discovery through use of cow fumes is literally what made this prepubescent, rape-y, noSTR nerd kid gain the attention and fame of the Reno gangster families.
>>339605671
crustaceans don't age
>>339632159
>A mention of Jet in a pre-war terminal is very harmless and a minor oversight. Especially considering its listed along side another drug, which means Jet wasn't even the focus of the lore.
Again I would like to reiterate. This is an RPG. These minor little pieces of lore are still important because it keeps the story consistent and strengthens the quality of the world and the setting.
>>339606879
Especially where they contradict each other.
>>339631168
You should never focus on oldchool or hardcore gamers.
Obsidian has made that mistake since the beginning of that company.
Due to that they have been perpetually one bad quarter away from shutting the doors.
Honestly I am amazed they are still around.
>>339631235
>Are the main quest and the dlcs ok?
fuck no, but if you like the gameplay there are some good mods out there, and far harbor and automatron add cool shit but if your on console you'll be limited to 2GB, which is a considerable amount considering most mods are around a mb
>>339632542
Does NV contradict 3? I know 4 has been very petty with it's offhand references towards NV, especially the "alien city in the Mojave" line.
>>339632147
>books all have shit writing because you never get to choose what people say!
This is you.
>>339626251
It shouldn't have required a DLC, go fuck yourself you loathsome cunt.
>>339631780
>Tactics
I enjoyed it. It's still the only Fallout game with actual working vehicles that aren't just fast travel machines, which annoys me a bit.
>>339631783
it wouldn't be a far stretch though, there was a guy on this thread arguing that Harold "just thought he was a ghoul", but in he really isn't.
They can easily write their way out of this mess, Myron is just some chem- savvy sleazy kid who found pre-war jet, figured that it can be made from cow shit now, and took all the glory.
>>339632826
>i'm using a fucking straw-man argument
the board you're on is /v/, not /lit/ and this is you
>>339632826
That's the key difference between the two mediums, so I don't think that analogy is really applicable.
>>339632510
FO2 was inconsistent on Jet as well.
So Myron lied about inventing Jet.
Does that detract one bit from your enjoyment of FO2?
>>339633027
I suppose it would be possible, but there are a few flaws with that theory.
1. How would myron the biggest wimp out there get his hands on a rare prewar drug
2. Myron was still the one who made it popular, so unless myron came from the commonwealth its unlikely he didnt make it
3. Myron is way too good about the inner workings of jet to not have pretty much invented it.
>>339633331
No, but it would feel like a cop out that myron just found the stuff lying around.
>>339632826
>genre built around immersing yourself in a role and changing the world you play in
>obviously, it's the same as a book
>>339633383
yeah but they don't even have to go into those things.
they just have to justify jet existing pre-war and in the commonwealth.
>>339628750
Nigger if fucking fans of the series know more about the lore than the people making the new games then there is a fucking problem
>>339633997
Still feels like a cop out no matter what.
>>339629651
Why why WHY do mongoloids keep getting realism confused with consistency
>>339634183
Because peter hines, and bethesda by extension, has NO passion, they're just soulless drones making mass produced games generic games for the lowest common denominator
>>339634128
yup, but I bet you that that is how 90% of lore is made. keep in mind also that once you have these borderline structures you then hire writers to make a compelling dialogue/quest/plot, any kind of exposition really, that sells you the theory.
>>339610496
WITHOUT A DREAM IN MY HEEEAAAAAART
>>339633383
Myron could have found a way to synthesize a pre war drug.
He did not strike me as particularly ethical sort and could have lied about that little detail to make himself look better.
IIRC he drugs and rapes the PC if female.Sawyer must have added that.
>>339611670
>I don't like zone because I can't afford an account
Swfchan is your fucking friend, dipshit.
>I don't like zone because he doesn't do the things that I want them to do
Grow the fuck up, the world doesn't cater to you.
>I don't like zone because of his animation/art style
Well holy shit anon, you might just have different tastes than everyone else.
Pick one, please.
>>339635424
>Myron could have found a way to synthesize a pre war drug.
brahmin shit didn't exist before the war, so they made it from something else, Myron somehow saw that now it is chemically possible and much easier to make it.
>>339629614
>It's funny because I keep hearing people saying how it's the worst thing ever but I never hear any specifics.
Because there are no specifics, it's so bland and generic that nothing fucking matters.
The only things I remember are:
Institute are evil scientist fro the sake of being evil scientist, they make experiments and try to achieve things even even though they have no plans to do anything with those things, they made sapient robots to do the job that could very well be done by normal robots, test FEV on innocent because why the fuck not, etc.
Also your son is telling you allthe time that synths are just machines, then goes all hypocritical when he wants you to treat synth Shaun as your real son.
Institiute is full SJW in that they don't just care about the fact that synths are sapient, they want to save *all* synths no matter what and would sacrifice actual humans to do that, not to mention some of those dumbfucks actually want to save NON-SAPIENT ones too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8akM5pAlNg
Brotherhood of Steel are literally Space Marines but hypocritical and fucking stupid, given that they are an organization supposed to hoard tech, but are willing to nuke the MOST TECHNOLOGICALLY ADVANCED PLACE KNOW TO ANYONE. Not to mention they are recruiting people even though they are afraid of synth infiltration.
Minutemen are just incompetent.
I could talk more. I could talk about Kellog killing PC wife/husband like it's nothing even though people untouched by radiation are apparently rare and valueable to them because it's a good addition to their gene pool. There is lots of it.
How do the Vault 87 supermutants make more of themselves with no intelligent leadership? It took The Master years to perfect the dipping process
How do the Vault 87 supermutants make more of themselves when anyone they kidnap would die instantly to the 3,600 rads/second at the entrance of the vault
What experimental conditions were Vault-Tec trying to test by locking up a bunch of people with a massive amount of extremely dangerous mutagenic virus? How to kill the fuck out of everything as fast as possible?
How and why does Vault-Tec even have any FEV at all? Did Bethesda honestly confuse West-Tek with Vault-Tec?
How does Col Autumn get inside Vault 87?
Why is a GECK now a matter manipulation device and why is such a powerful tool being wasted on making a water purifier for water that shouldn't even be radioactive in the first place?
How does using an unstable and extremely dangerous GECK matter manipulation device that can easily explode and destroy everything around it make for a water purification system? Water filtration is infinitely easier than transmuting atoms.
How does Dad even know what a GECK is and plan a machine to use a component he has never seen or used before? He may as well have designed the water purifier to use unobtainium.
Why does your father design a purification machine that is capable of dumping all its radioactive filtrate into the control room as a "trap"? Was Dad a psychopath? How is the radiation trap even possible when the purifier is not even complete at that point and not active?
What in the fuck is up with the Talon Company? Who in the fuck has enough resources and wealth in the D.C. hellhole waterless struggling wasteland to afford a clone army with unlimited resources? What is their purpose? How do they even work on a logistics basis?
Why does the East Coast use caps as currency? What are caps backed with?
>>339635981
The idea for the formula was jenkem an actual drug.
Don't look it up unless you really want to know.
>>339636068
>I could talk more. I could talk about Kellog killing PC wife/husband like it's nothing
Didn't Breakfast Man also manage to kill literally everyone in the Vault apart from you and your baby? Or did they break earlier and conveniently leave only you and your partner's pods working?
>>339636557
They cut off life support to every chamber besides the two you and your spouse are in
Why they didn't just take all 3 of you to the institute is mind boggling
>>339636557
I think the rest was already dead because of malfunctions. Not sure though.
>>339636557
Kellogg purposely killed off everyone else, not by accident.
He was ordered to kill the rest by "the old man" to not leave any loose ends and who is never brought up again after that mention in Kellogg's brain memory sequence shit.
And no "the old man" is not Shaun.
Everything after Tactics is non-canon and never will be canon.
>>339632303
What exactly was his plan? Wait for someone to open his door so he can leave one day? If he could open it himself why did he just sit in there for 200 years?
>>339637069
he is a child
>>339636842
Well the old man was fucking stupid then.
What if the baby died for some reason? During the journey, because of shock from being in the hibernation chamber for so long, disease, anything?
Why waste so much unique genes when they could easily bring everyone to the Institute and put them in the chambers again until new addition to the gene pool is needed for whatever reason?
>>339637205
>there is no why
>>339636906
i'd rather new vegas is 3 and is the last true fallout there ever will be
>>339637341
>new vegas
Fuck off, it's shit.
Nothing past Tactics is canon.
Even Tactics is stretching it. A fucking retarded abortion of RPG FPS is not a Fallout game.
>>339636349
The commonwealth SM seem to have a socialistic bent to their belief system.Perhaps this was the same with the CW ones.
Dunno.The vats in 87 were empty perhaps the EEV was someplace else and those that survived were brought back to 87.
Dunno they are sometimes as cartoonishly evil as Caesers Legion.
It was EEV a precursor to FEV iirc.
dunno super secret enclave RadX?
GECK has always been a Mcguffin that is what it needs to be for the plot.
Next three ask a scientist.
Littlehorn and Associates back Talon Company, the Gunners,and many more.Hope is a flower that must not flourish.
Caps are backed by the simple belief they are worth something.
>>339637165
I'm talking about eddie not the retarded ghoul kid
>>339637205
Because "the old man" is the one who wanted to make human type synths in the first place, so it is pretty well established he is dumb as fuck.
And they had to kill everyone else because Bethesda couldn't decide whether to make the Institute "stupid-evil" or a "sympathetic faction that has to make hard choices in the name of progress", so they made the Institute both at the same time and you can never call them out on their retarded science shit.
>>339636557
>>339636717
>>339636842
>>339637205
>5 minutes into the plot and it already makes no sense
Why don't they find new writers
>>339613402
It increases the chance of cancer because cells can only divide so much before they go asdfasfasdasadf
Death is basically a natural killswitch to prevent us from becoming sick cancerbags
>>339637442
Fallout 2 isn't that great either pal
>>339636068
>Institute are evil scientist fro the sake of being evil scientist
Are you really this dumb? They have created basically a paradise in comparison to the rest of the world and they want to make the rest of the world like it. How the fuck is that not motivation?
>this is your average fo4 hater
>>339637442
>it's not a Fallout game if it's not turn-based and isometric
Dumbest opinion I've read all day.
>>339637442
Nigga, no way is tactics canon in any sense. Hell the secret characters you unlock are the previous games fucking hero.
>>339637670
I'm pretty sure that falls under the purview of 'easter egg'.
>>339616481
All cells are immortal
The problem is that DNA isn't immortal
In time, when cells divide a lot, important parts of DNA wear out and that's what will cause the cell to become cancerous
We could, theoretically, live forever if we could stop our DNA and our brain from wearing out.
>>339637568
>Institute wants to test new crops on the surface
>Kidnap random surface farmer, rape him to death, replace him with synth
>Experiment complete, now kill the farmer's family too because reasons
>WE HAVE TO MAKE HARD CHOICES IN THE NAME OF PROGRESS YOU WOULDNT UNDERSTAND
>INSTEAD OF USING OUR TELEPORTATION TECH TO SET UP A FARM LITERALLY ANYWHERE IN THE FUCKING WASTELAND I GUESS
>DONT QUESTION ME
>>339637568
>let's make our servant robots both sentient and capable of rebellion and acting against our wishes
>then let's comedically oppress them
>>339628534
>Requesting the Hines/Harry supermutant image
same here
lol I saw that thread the other day but didn't save the pic, maybe its still in the archive.
>>339609879
I'm late to the party, but that's the point.
YOU DON'T.
There is no difference between a stupid fanboy and a marketer. In fact, the latter will probably sound less like a marketer than the former. That's why running around and screaming "marketer" at everyone is retarded - you're not even arguing their points and if they don't have any - just ignore the fuckers.
>>339637568
>They have created basically a paradise in comparison to the rest of the world and they want to make the rest of the world like it.
They want to make the rest of the world paradise by making a supermutant army killing and pillaging everything in sight?,
Or maybe by murdering innocents and replacing them with sapient robots even though infiltration could be easily achieved without murder?
Or maybe by not doing anything for the good of the Wasteland and just doing senseless, unnecessarily cruel experiments for the sake of experimenting?
>>339608470
That's because the rifle does not have a stock.
>>339637568
>Dude lets fuck around with this FEV stuff we summoned from the aether because we sure as fuck aren't on the west coast where it was actually made
>Dude lets kidnap LITERALLY THOUSANDS of people and turn them into super mutants because we totally aren't The Master
>Well I guess this whole super mutant project was kinda shitty, lets release these thousands of mutants onto the surface because why the fuck not
>>339609183
>>339609406
>>339609545
As expected of papists. Apparently any heretical gospel fanfic is OK if the Pope accepts it.
Chris Avellone said Bethesda often just used the wiki to stay on track lore-wise
Retards
>>339637584
To be fair that belief is held by many RPGeezers.
>>339638303
>>339638103
>by making a supermutant army killing and pillaging everything
What the fuck is this fan fiction? This doesn't happen in game.
>>339638340
I guess they missed the part where Vault 87 was built five years before FEV even existed on the opposite fucking coast
>>339638573
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Super_mutant_(Fallout_4)
>The super mutants encountered in the Commonwealth are in fact failed FEV experiments, created and disposed of by the Institute. They were once normal people, who were kidnapped and experimented on inside the FEV lab of the Bioscience Division. Institute scientists would examine their human test subjects before submerging them into FEV. If they survived the process they were tagged and discarded into the Commonwealth, creating the scourge of mutants now present in the year 2287.
>>339638340
TES lore fags are turbo autists.
It is smart to exploit that asset.
FO lore is a mess so just go with it.
>>339637887
The point of infiltration is to control already existing settlements you idiot. Why the hell would they have any interest in running a farm?
>>339638772
TES has buildings filled with books of lore in it so I could see why
But Fallout is mainly dialogue
>>339638837
>Why the hell would they have any interest in running a farm?
To make experiments without killing innocents? Innocents that they are supposedly trying to help?
>>339638837
They could've just paid the farmers with supplies and weapons instead of kidnapping and replacing
>>339638837
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Roger_Warwick
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Roger_Warwick
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Roger_Warwick
Try telling that to the fucking Institute you fucking retard.
>>339638837
Then why the fuck do they keep making synths out of random people?
>>339638321
Well, it would be just as fake as the real thing. But no, people wouldn't magically start believing any revision to the classic canon (for a few centuries, maybe).
>>339639587
They don't. What makes you think it's random?
>>339608764
One that owns the license decides whats canon and whats not. Bethesda can turn everyone, due to radiation, into lizards and say "this is story now; this is canon" so they can use argoninans from TES, and until you buy license from them and start making new story from square one you can only debate with us what you think, but it dose not make it any less canon.
On that notice: teleportation and the fact that my kidnapped child became leader of kidnappers are biggest plotholes.
>>339630485fallout
>>339606690
Nothing in the world of Bethesda's east coast makes sense in the context of Fallout.
>>339637584
It's not. Go ahead and play your Bethshit or Obsiturd games, but don't call any of them "Fallout", just call them "shootan in the radioctive ruins".
>>339629614
Have some specifics then.
>>339640364
I think it would have been better if Shaun was some nobody in the Institute.
Beth had to go with the most obvious fucking outcome of him being the goddamn director who only exists to die of dick cancer when convenient.
