I will never understand people who like Vanilla.
>Tanks could literally tab out and do something else during raids.
>You had to spend hours killing low level mobs to get your weapon skills.
>You had to swim way off the coast for the bottle things you NEEEDED for Molten Core.
>One dungeon boss from current WoW has more mechanics than all of Molten Core put together.
>There was a boss in AQ that could only be damaged by ice moves so unless you had a shitty underlevel weapon that did ice damage you just had to sit there and eat shit.
>The talent system offered no freedom since there was only one accepted cookie cutter build per spec.
>If you wanted to be a warrior then you needed to get used to having a shield because no one would take a non-prot warrior anywhere.
>If you didn't have forty people online then you could just forget raid night. Before you mention pugging then you have to remember that 90% of PUGs suck harder than your mom on a friday night.
>You could only have one spec so if you wanted to be a healer then you won't be doing much questing.
>People claim LFD ruined the game but somehow forgot that nearly everyone had a dungeon finder addon prior to it.
>You had to grind for insane amounts of gold to get an acceptable level for all of your spells because if they weren't high enough you couldn't do jack shit for damage/healing and no one would let you into their group
>People think retail Legacy servers wouldn't be ghost towns because of Nost activity ignoring the fact that 90% of Nost players wouldn't have even touched it if it wasn't free.
Literally the only good thing about Vanilla was Alterac Valley and even that could be brought into question.
>Tanks could literally tab out and do something else during raids.
umm, I think you mean hunters? How the fuck do you think tank would hold aggro?
>>335395320
Honestly I would like vanilla to come back under the condition that they update it to current WoW
Basically get rid of all the bullshit, give bosses more mechanics, shit like that.
>That feel when MoP was your favorite expansion and all people do is shit on it
>>335395452
Auto Attack Taunt Macro
>>335395320
Sorry, pal. You're wrong and your complaints are petty.
>>335395320
90% of us agree that vanilla had a lot of broken stuff and all around bad ideas.
Regardless of if your list is true or not we still want vanilla back.
Server community was stronger.
It felt 10 times more fun to trash the same people on the enemy faction than some random asshole from a separate server.
Linked battlegrounds happened in vanilla though.
From a raw features perspective the game is stronger now than it ever was, but all the features in the world can't make an MMO with a complete lack of community fun.
my biggest gripe with vanilla WoW were all the glitches. can't remember how many times i would wind up falling endlessly through the world until a gm would save me.
other than that i had a lot of fun exploring and fucking around in dumb places, seems OP's major problem was raiding which sucked ass
>>335395676
I think Cata gets far too much flack, many of the things that went wrong in wow are traced back to Wrath.
I knew something was very wrong when my scrub guild cleared Naxx 25 in 3 weeks.
>>335395320
Because it'sfun
>>335395605
Yeah like a restomod
Things took longer and were typically harder to do on your own, creating a strong sense of community. Current day is a single player game with a lobby based grouping feature similar to CoD.
>>335395986
It's not just fun, it's good.
>>335395320
PVP and raiding was too time consuming.
I just want a vanilla wow experienced with slight EXTREMELY SLIGHT touch ups to PVP and PVE but you can't fix it because people will always be unemployed with too much time and play this shit for 24/7 so nobody with a fucking job can become a fucking rank 14 so fuck all you niggas
IM GLAD ITS DAED
>>335395320
I think what made it good was all the bizarre rules and randomness of it -- it made the whole thing more esoteric and interesting. Plus you actually had to be involved in the world.
The game now mechnically is more polished but you just sit around. There's no sense of community. That said I don't think you can really spontaneously create that again. The "new" factor was also a big part of it.
People don't miss wow. They miss a billion people everywhere doing everything. Wow had a very strong player base.
>late game problems
lmao
endgame mmo is the worst. the real fun comes from the community as you explore, level up, and get ganked.
>>335396134
I think if they just slightly touched everything up, to like a TBC level of convenience, it would be perfect.
>>335395320
Probably because you're underage.
>>335395320
>The talent system offered no freedom since there was only one accepted cookie cutter build per spec.
How is this any different from now? I never understood this argument. When you're given any kind of choice in how to build a character in an RPG there is going to be an objectively best spec in 99% of cases. So what does it matter?
Changing the tree in MoP did nothing to solve it, there is still a best raid, best PvP and best AoE spec for every class.
>>335395983
I liked Cata.
Mostly because I have fond memories of 4.2 PvP
>>335394940
So one shitposting thread isn't enough for you sad cucks?
>>335396505
Really because ever since the change I've never heard "You need to change your talents" once.
They were all balanced pretty well. Most just boiling down to your preferred style of play.
>>335395676
MoP da bes
Leveling a prot warrior and queueing up as dps was the most fun I ever had in WoW. One shotting elite mobs with shield slam crit. GLORIOUS!
Only bad thing about vanilla was no arena.
BC was my favorite, followed by Pre-ICC Wotlk, then vanilla=cata, Mop, WoD
>>335396578
Meh that thread is there every day. So I don't fuck with it.
>>335395320
>Vanilla
>Tanks tab out
I feel sorry that you never experienced it anon.
>>335396792
who would want to experience tanks tabbing out?
>vanilla was great!
oh boy I love vanilla classes
>>335395320
That Ice Slime boss in AQ wasn't bad design for whe n you HAD 40 people who crafted shit for each other and when elemental weapon enchantments were actually used.
>>335395986
Fun!? You mean people actually play games because they are fun?
>>335397058
Paladins were specifically made to be easy mode. It's not anyone's fault but the player's for choosing to play such a shitty class.
>>335397058
>paladins were meant to be played while downloading pornography
excuse me while I re-roll
Thats because all these faggots crying for vanilla NEVER ACTUALLY FUCKING PLAYED IT. Hell I bet half of them weren't even fucking born, vanilla was hell, i was there, it sucked. The only good thing about it is more people played it and there werent as many dataminers. Wowhead wasn't around like it was then, everyone used thott and the mods were all about dumb shit like cleanse and hotbars because you didnt even have more than 1 hotbar in vanilla.
Fact of the matter is if you liked vanilla you didnt play it, you were just a TBC faggot.
>You will never experience your guild kicking out a ninja looter taking something some guy spent months to get ever again
I do actually kinda miss it.
>>335395730
What's a macro I heard so many times but still I don't know what it means.
>>335396517
Cata PvP was the best, even if it was more imba than WotLK.
I played warrior and that's when they were at their peak. The old heroic strike sucked dick.
>>335397058
>DUDE PORN LMAO
Degenerates like that don't deserve the Light.
>>335397286
>misses getting fucked in the ass by ninja looters
You would.
>>335395730
Between mechanics and positioning I can't think of a single boss in Classic where you could do that, nor would your typical raid guild want to continue associating with someone who thinks that such a thing is appropriate behavior in a raid.
Not that spamming sunder because it had up-turned threat was any better.
>>335395320
>You had to spend hours killing low level mobs to get your weapon skills.
Not really, no. Sure, weapon skills were a pain, but they were inconvenient, not something that sapped hours of game time. And I say this having played a warrior in classic.
>You had to swim way off the coast for the bottle things you NEEEDED for Molten Core.
No one said Classic was perfect dude.
>There was a boss in AQ that could only be damaged by ice moves so unless you had a shitty underlevel weapon that did ice damage you just had to sit there and eat shit.
That one optional boss?
>People claim LFD ruined the game but somehow forgot that nearly everyone had a dungeon finder addon prior to it.
....no they didn't? The current LFD system isn't something you could replicate with mods in lua. This is just a fact. The old system was more like craigslist, and you really wanted to use your friends list anyways.
>People think retail Legacy servers wouldn't be ghost towns because of Nost activity ignoring the fact that 90% of Nost players wouldn't have even touched it if it wasn't free.
If you have at least one character at 100 with a properly tuned garrison, WoW is functionally free if you log in most days of the month, at least once to queue up garrison quests. Not that 15 bucks a month is a real barrier for entry. There are plenty of free games on the market, you don't find it curious they chose a classic WoW server of all things?
>>335397275
>>335395320
Shit, are there any good vanilla servers now that nostalrius is down?
>>335395320
>>People claim LFD ruined the game but somehow forgot that nearly everyone had a dungeon finder addon prior to it.
lol no
>>335397478
>Has never experienced the pure joy of getting fucking destroyed by a rogue in warsong gulch 2 inches from flag capping
>>335397187
there are a myriad of other issues with many other classes as well. It was a real shit show.
>>335397275
>because you didnt even have more than 1 hotbar in vanilla
what the fuck are you going on about
I feel like the approach Runescape took with its legacy servers COULD work (i.e. community voting in various kinds of improvements and content), but I feel like the playerbase would either just let nothing be voted in because they hate any kind of change, or vote very bad ideas like LFD in.
Because the game was designed to be an adventure?
Fucking all the meta shit they kept adding to the game, repetitive daily quests, press button, blitz dungeons, facebook style professions.
I just missed when I could log on and have something to see and do that didn't involve fucking around with an arbitrary interface.
>>335397961
No one had it as bad as druids and warlocks (or at least warlocks up till they finally fixed Will of the Forsaken, and even then, only in PVP) in classic. But everyone had at least one viable spec.
If you wanted to play against the recommended spec for your classes most of your fun came down to how willing your guild was to indulge in your snowflake syndrome.
>>335395605
Then you may as well play WoD you jackass.....
>>335396134
Thats called TBC, aka the perfect expansion.
>>335395320
minus 100 dkp for shitty post
>never will be unstoppable kitty druid flag-bitch in wsg ever again.
>>335398395
My guild let me off-tank adds as a feral druid on farm nights in MC.
>>335398706
http://catchthatdruid.ytmnd.com/
>>335398690
Many whelpsHANDLE IT
I always thought BC was better than Vanilla
>>335398309
Remember, daily quests were originally added for people who wanted to make gold without wanting to either grind mobs or work the AH.
>>335398886
Just fuck my ears up senpai
>>335395320
Because despite gameplay flaws that were fixed or evolved upon later? It has an actual community, you need people for things and have to talk to people to get things done.
>>335399053
welcome to ytmnd
OP clearly didn't raid during Vanilla, if he played it at all.
>all raids needed an arms MS spamming warrior
>No idea what the fuck you're on about swimming off coast
>raids only needed about 30-38 people
>there was no dungeon finder add on
>if you didn't have all your spells by 60, it's probably because you were 10 and retarded
>tanks had to stay on top of aggro because healers could strip aggro from them
>healers had to "down rank" to prevent big heals from stealing aggro
>>335398309
I actually went through this one recently with 2 other friends at level, it was fucking awesome, even got the ironfoe drop
wish they would make more dungeons like it
>>335395320
It was not about the quality of life and results, you fuckwit, it was about struggles and process.
>>335398943
Each expansion has added gameplay improvements, but slowly moved the focus from leveling and community to endgame and dailies. I think the biggest reason why people would like BC or WotLK more is because they both improved the gameplay, but didn't take too much away. I think BC would've been by far the best if the setting/lore was better. It didn't trivialize 1-60 like the other expansions though, which is great.
what killed wow for me;
cross server bullshit
dishonorable kills
that is all. left in 2006 and have shit on every wow thread since. it's a full-time job but i like what i do. sometimes i wish i'd spent more time with my kids, but then, i think of how much better they are now that they're with jesus in heaven. my "wow is casual garbage" tattoo is starting to fade, but i think that it adds character. i'll never forget my first cross-server bg. oh gee i killed some fuck ass aussie i'll never see again from blackrock. it was in that moment that i cursed my god and accepted hate. it filled me, and became me. and i'll never look back.
>ywn play a 5 hour Alterac Valley match again
>>335399879
learn 2 play noob
>>335399879
>cross-server bg
>2006
>>335396628
>I've never heard "You need to change your talents" once.
You are literally retarded. People never say that anymore because talents are all so mediocre and irrelevant that it hardly matters what you pick. Which makes morons like you think there is a vast sea of great choices but in reality you have just as few RELEVENT choices as in vanilla
Do you want the movement speed thing that makes you run slightly faster for a little bit? Or do you want the movement speed thing that makes you leap forward a little bit? Oh wait it doesn't fucking matter.
>>335399879
Dishonorable kills were taken out a long time ago not sure what you're on about.
Cross server is only so zones that only have 2 people in them can feel more populated.
>>335399934
good. it was shit. SHIT. unless you had a dedicated heal bitch. then you could actually do something instead of throw aoes out at each other.
>>335399879
>Cross-server shit
>in 2006
Way to out yourself as a liar m8
>>335395320
>Tanks could literally tab out and do something else during raids.
you should probably move bullshit like that further down
>>335399567
I down-ranked spells to save mana more than aggro. As for the swimming thing, I think OP is talking about the part in the Molten Core Attunement that had you going to Azshara.
>>335399934
>ywn see one side summon a cavalry rush, or titan to turn the tide of battle
>>335395676
Mop was a fun expansion, I just wasn't a fan of the whole "Asian theme"
>>335395676
MoP and Wrath were peak wow, anything else is bullshit
How to vanilla raid by class
>Warrior
Congrats you're the tank! You'll be fawned over and chances are you won't even need to put in effort to get resist gear. Now fo stack them sunders. What's that? Want to dps? If the guild will let you then you'll be wearing mail/leather and pissing off the hunters/rogues
>Warlock
Spend hours farming soul shards to make millions of healthstones and soulstones. Then it's DOTS DOTS DOTS MOAR DOTS
>Rogue
Good luck getting into a raid, because everyone has a rogue. If you do, then you'll spend the entire fight watching threat meters so you don't get blamed for wiping the raid
>Mage
Spend hours making food and water. Pew pew
>Hunter
Pew pew while pissing people off by rolling on everything
>Paladin
Spec Holy, bind half your keyboard to Flash of Light and slam your head into the keyboard constantly. Paladins have no other spec
>Druid
See above, but with more hots and innervate
>Priest
Install decursive, receive free loot
>Shaman
Spam that chainheal. Get mad at the hunter stealing your gear
should i resub?
>>335400240
this
>>335400240
>wrath and MoP were peak
How fucking wrong can you be
Wrath went to shit early into it and introduced dungeon finder which killed half the game
>>335400342
you're a dumb baby bitch
>killed half the game
not true in a gameplay or numbers sense
>>335399567
>>No idea what the fuck you're on about swimming off coast
He's talking about needing to go to Azshara to get http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Aqual_Quintessence
>>335399985
>>335400059
>>335400113
http://vanilla-wow.wikia.com/wiki/Patch_1.12.0
>that release date
>tfw you realize i'm correct and that you are wrong
IT FEEDS ME. IT FILLS ME. I HAVE BECOME DEATH. WAHAHAHAHAHA, SO MUCH POWERRRR
>>335395320
>Tanks could literally tab out and do something else during raids.
You still had to position correctly and maintain threat, plus main tanks were practically server celebrities.
>You had to spend hours killing low level mobs to get your weapon skills.
This was never as bad as people pretend it was.
>You had to swim way off the coast for the bottle things you NEEEDED for Molten Core.
You had raid groups going together, sometimes running into the other faction in the process. It was fun.
>One dungeon boss from current WoW has more mechanics than all of Molten Core put together.
Won't argue. Raid boss dynamics at least are more fun now.
Fun type of gimmick for a guild to overcome, and it was only one boss. Farming fire resistance was more of a pain.
>The talent system offered no freedom since there was only one accepted cookie cutter build per spec.
The builds felt different, and classes were still better with no homogeneity. There were some fun yet still viable hybrid builds that depended on going 20 pts in an off-tree too.
>If you wanted to be a warrior then you needed to get used to having a shield because no one would take a non-prot warrior anywhere.
Fury warriors could fucking dominate damage meters.
>If you didn't have forty people online then you could just forget raid night. Before you mention pugging then you have to remember that 90% of PUGs suck harder than your mom on a friday night.
40 people in one vent channel on a friday night was such a glorious shit show.
>>You could only have one spec so if you wanted to be a healer then you won't be doing much questing.
Respeccing was a pain in the ass, definitely.
>>People claim LFD ruined the game but somehow forgot that nearly everyone had a dungeon finder addon prior to it.
Kekno.
>People think retail Legacy servers wouldn't be ghost towns because of Nost activity ignoring the fact that 90% of Nost players wouldn't have even touched it if it wasn't free.
Citations, please.
>>335400293
OP here.
Wait for Legion. Even I have to admit WoD sucks really hard.
>>335400456
>in numbers since
Oh my bad
If a lot of people like it then that means its objectively amazing!
"I'm a filthy casual" - OP
>>335400484
>being right
>ruining it with raw autismo
Anon...
>>335400289
You forgot Hunter
>prepare to sink 50% of all income into ammo and pet food
>>335400545
im just saying you're wrong dumbass
>>335395320
>People claim LFD ruined the game but somehow forgot that nearly everyone had a dungeon finder addon prior to it.
I
>>335400289
ah time to post some old memes. we didn't call them memes back then though.
>>335400670
Not the raid's problem! Should have done the shitty moneysink known as vanilla engineering :^)
>>335400670
>Wahhh I have to do RPG things in my MMORPG! Why isn't everything handed to me?
>>335400876
Oh god I almost fell out of my chair.
>>335400614
YES, FILL ME WITH (You)'S FRIENDS POSTER, YOUR TIME IS GONE
SOON IT WILL BE OUR TIME
AND YOU WILL KNEEL LIKE THE OTHERS
MUWAHAHAHAHAHAH, MUWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>335395320
>>If you wanted to be a warrior then you needed to get used to having a shield because no one would take a non-prot warrior anywhere.
Weren't fury warriors highest DPS in Naxx?
>>335400876
oh shit, that's pretty fucking good
>>335400923
>engineering
>shitty
Bombs and the fucking charge helmet were great for pvp.
>>335400961
Well it would have been better if other classes had to put up with that sort of shit too but the only other class that had to buy things were rogues and poisons didn't cost nearly as much
>>335400876
MAGES ON SUICIDEWATCH
>>335400876
weren't they called "funny pictures" or some equally latin bullshit. my grandpa tried to explain this but i called him an edgelord and rode my scooter to other-dad's house
>>335401140
Fucking iron grenades were a godsend in PVP for melee classes.
>>335401124
Yep. I remember the butthurt as a rogue. We called them rogues in plate.
>>335395676
MoP is gaining traction now.
it happens with every xpac, everyone always hates the current xpac (regardless of quality. this isnt defending WoD) and over time, the previous one or two join with the rest of the "golden ages", partly because blizzard only knows how to fuck up more and more stuff over time making the last xpac look great in comparison, and partly because people just love to bitch about things
>>335401151
Too bad they required a ton of mats and you couldn't even make money off of them because they had engineer level requirements
>>335395676
MoP made me have hope in WoW. I will never forgive it for that.
i want to play, but is it worth it at this point, in between expansions? What server should i move my druid to?
I still don't see why WoW is going to shit, the last time I played it was early Lich King, I had a lot of fun and none of the changes took away from my experience.
I wouldn't really care if things changed, what I need is time to play, a mobile WoW should be released.
>>335395730
Nigga I main tanked for my guild and that shit couldn't be fucking macrod. Tons of stuff required stance dancing and positioning. I think the only one who was doable with that method was the big golem. I forget his name..people Called him a loot pianta. Before domo
I miss the community vanilla had more than the actual game. Retail is so streamlined that I can do anything without ever having social contact with anybody else.
If they removed the LFG feature, made quests require a group, and shit like that retail WoW would be a thousand times better.
>the last time I played it was early Lich King
There is your problem senpai.
>>335395676
>mfw the first time i saw shado-pan outposts in WoD
I was so worried that pandos would be the new draenei and never do anything again after their starring role in MoP
>>335399934
You mean 5 day?
>>335401407
yeah well if this was back in the day your pappy woulda given you a good frost shock for acting like that
>>335395676
My only gripe in MoP was the Lore.
Not talking about the Pandas. I like the Pandas and Pandaland. It felt like a breath of fresh air.
I'm talking about how they ruined Garrosh. Garrosh had so much potential as a character. Especially because they gave Varian a "redemption" and essentially made him a Mary Sue so I thought Pandaria would cleanse Garrosh of his aggression or something. Instead they made his character do a 180 for no clear reason and made him a bad guy and now a third of the Cata 1-60 quests make no sense to new players.
>>335401151
Other classes did have things similar to that though.
Warlocks needed to farm Soul Shards and needed to train the demons abilities, Paladins and Druids had reagents for some of their abilities and buffs, Shaman had ankhs and other things, Mages had portal stones. I don't remember if priests had anything, and I know warriors didn't.
The RPG elements like reagents and class quests made the game feel more alive and like an actual RPG. They made each class feel more distinct in ways other than just their endgame PvE rotation. Modern WoW can barely be called an RPG anymore now that the focus is purely on endgame raiding, making the WORLD of WORLD of Warcraft dead and barren.
>>335400289
>Farming soulshards
Man, how did I forget that shit.
>>335402274
Fine I concede to you.
Also this has been the most civil WoW discussion I've ever seen on /v/. Relatively speaking that is.
>>335400484
>I HAVE BECOME DEATH
It's "I am become death" you subhuman
>>335400289
>I didn't play vanilla: the post
>>335400289
I'll never understand the people who actually prefer this over anything else.
>>335397312
>>335401929
>stance dancing
That's a term I would've been better off not remembering.
>>335397667
>No one said Classic was perfect dude
there was a reason you had to swim way off the coast. the world was still full of wonder. you had to find these places or being told about them by friends or guildies. now they just put them in front of your face like you're a retard.
>>335401929
golemagg. the real fight was tanking the adds. it was a healer heavy fight with the stacking bleeds if i recall
>>335402495
I'm not the person you were talking to before that, I just wanted to state my opinion on those things. Personally I think from a game design perspective the removal of things like ammo and reagents makes it a lot more convenient, but the downsides are repercussions to it makes the game overall less immersive. Which I think is a big deal for an MMORPG.
can't wait to join up w/ my boy hillidan clinton in legion
===b
>>335402274
Priests had candles for multi-person stamina and (I think) spirit buffs. Also mages and priests both needed light feathers for slow fall/levitate respectively but that wasn't important for raiding.
>>335401151
>I want every class to be the same
NO
That's what killed WoW
It's good that every class had wildly different shit. Plus Hunters were the only ones with that deep of pet control so it makes sense they would have to do something for it.
>>335403368
I'm mostly of a Warrior/Hunter player so I wasn't too sure, but thanks.
>>335402945
they don't even do that, there's literally a UI that you click to complete a quest once a week
people are paying $ to click the button and log
it's not an mmo. it's an adventure game with some minor multiplayer requirements. to me, mmorpg was what wow was doing well 10 years ago. large raids, tight community and trade, hilarious server drama, rivalry... we all had close enemies from the other faction, i can still name mine. the same guys we first fought at level 20. everything was watered down, as the cliche goes. cliche or not, it's certainly the truth
>>335395320
I played Arms from MC to Naxx. Your list is absolute bullshit.
Arena & PvP killed wow, it started the trend of sitting in cities waiting for games. In order to get gear for arena you sat in cities to grind pvp marks and honor.Tehn when you actually got gear for arena you sat all day in arena in cities.
Content was streamlined to allow people who needed to get to max level to pvp.
Look at wod now on twitch 90% pf streamers are pvpers playing the same cookie cutter specs, never leaving cities complaining about nerfs and buffs not realising that it is impossible to balance the game because there needs to be some diversity in classes for pve content which will effect them in some way.
So recently my son and I decided to try a vanilla private server after all the hype the other one got after it was shut down. Going into it, having never played vanilla, I thought I was going to hate it. My son told me vanilla isn't like retail in the sense that it requires a lot more time to do everything. This turned me off big time but I proceeded because I had nothing to lose and figured I can finally get my own personal view of what it is all about.
The first day we got in was pretty crazy since there was like 100s of people in the human starting zone. I guess everybody was switching to this server after the other one got shut down around the same time. Killing kobolds was a hilarious task because it was whoever could tag the freshly spawned mob first won. It took over an hour to do 2 quests.
Fast forward a week later and about 6 hours in, my son and I are level 13. Just scraping the beginning of Westfall quests. It was awesome seeing an environment filled with people everywhere you ran and an active /1 chat. We did end up downloading an Addon that helped us figure out where to go with quests. It made all the difference. Today we are 16 and about 10 hours in and are both loving it. Our next goal is to put together a Dead Mines group next Saturday morning because apparently it is going to take awhile to finish it.
Unlike 75% of Nostalriuscucks, I actually played during vanilla. Hardcore, in fact.
I remember how each server only had two guilds on both factions that could actually raid due to the size and difficulty of raids.
I remember to maintain a spot in one of those raiding guilds you were forced to commit to those 6+ hour raid nights, and have a near 100% attendance.
I remember how long it took to wade through trash, to the point you could fall asleep doing it.
I remember the stupid amounts of grind for really fucking stupid things.
I remember how resist gear was mandatory for certain raid bosses, and if your faction wasn't dominating the server, you never got the world dragon kills for said mandatory resist gear.
I remember standing around in Ironforge all fucking day because there was literally nothing to do except fuck with the auction house or PK chink farmers so you can actually farm in the world. The only other things to do were queue for BGs that never popped (before x-realm), or help someone with one of the hundreds of attunement quests for the hundredth time.
Believe me when I tell you the game is much better off now.
>>335404441
Basically the point of this rant was to let people know this vanilla experience can be enjoyed by a super casual like myself. I don't feel a rush to hit the max level because the leveling seems to be a huge part of the experience. Just goofing off and doing random things like putting together a search party for this 19 twink rogue ganking people in Redridge for an hour. Its amazing how big the world is when you can only walk. One thing that I feel made this server feel so real was when we went to Stormwind and there were people everywhere, but it wasn't the sheer number of them that put me in awe, it was the fact that I could see the progression in each person just based on their gear. Some had robes and a stick for a weapon, others had goofy shoulder armor, some looked like retail geared players in their end game stuff. It was awesome.
I love retail, it caters to me more, but I can definitely see the lust for a game like this as well. I "accomplish" more on my retail toon in less time, but the minor accomplishments on this level 16 that take an hour feel much more rewarding. There is definitely a lack of some quality of life stuff that we needed to fix by downloading Addons, but none of it took away from this vast "new world" we were experiencing. ...I died to a murloc 1v1
>>335404063
Arena is great. The problem is people take it too seriously.
>>335404598
nah senpai, arena made pvp lazy, it also limited certain class obsolete in that enclosed area, theres a reason why vanilla pvp videos are still watched with high regard vs arena even though the meta game and skill cap in arena is much higher.
>>335404467
this is 99% untrue
>>335404467
blizzard employees should be locked as trip fags
if you didn't like it, you would have not played. the reality is that you did all of those things you listed. whether you look back on that now and bitch is irrelevant to your argument that it's better today. you somehow played that game you claim to hate, and then take a soapbox here 10 years on and try to convince us that it was shit.
>>335404467
>I remember standing around in Ironforge all fucking day
Me too, but as horde, because world PVP was fucking amazing during vanilla.
You guys could have been raiding the boats/zeppelins. You could have been sabotaging enemy raids by blocking ZG and Blackrock Mountain. Now you can just teleport or no-clip everywhere so there's no point.
Raids suck more now too. Most people are content to see it in LFR and will never push themselves to actually earn their victories.
People have boss fights down to a science before they're even RELEASED due to the beta servers.
Vanilla WoW was a lot of fun, but honestly it all came down to either Blizzard was incompetent because they had no experience on how to make an MMO, or it was just bullshit to keep people playing to pay the sub fee.
>>335405819
world pvp kept me hooked. so many memories of 3v5's and 2v2's in the wild. good friends, and good enemies. server forums don't even have any posts.
i challenge old school players to go back to their server forums and see how IN-frequently they are posted in. on my own, the forums gets a post maybe once every 2 or 3 days. new threads maybe once every week, if that. the community aspect of wow is abysmal.
>>335395320
>>Tanks could literally tab out and do something else during raids.
I liked this. The game was comfy and non-spammy
>>You had to spend hours killing low level mobs to get your weapon skills.
You spend a few hours on a friday night grinding mobs while fooling around with your buddies on vent.
>>You had to swim way off the coast for the bottle things you NEEEDED for Molten Core.
That was fun fuck you
>>One dungeon boss from current WoW has more mechanics than all of Molten Core put together.
I liked simple comfy bosses where you sit still and spam shadowbolt. WOW isn't a hard game and isn't supposed to be.
>>There was a boss in AQ that could only be damaged by ice moves so unless you had a shitty underlevel weapon that did ice damage you just had to sit there and eat shit
There were lots of bosses in vanilla where one class was chosen to shine, and when it was your turn, it was fun as shit.
>>335395320
I got all the tank gear the tanks didn't want and I got all the DPS plate for raiding which I also used for an arms spec in PvP. So you're completely wrong about vanilla. You think you played it but you didn't, wrathbabb.
>>335406326
>>The talent system offered no freedom since there was only one accepted cookie cutter build per spec.
Yeah that's one of the best things TBC did, added viability to the specs.
>>If you wanted to be a warrior then you needed to get used to having a shield because no one would take a non-prot warrior anywhere.
Warriors were one of the best dps classes in vanilla. My warrior regularly hearthed to switch between prot and arms during raids.
>>If you didn't have forty people online then you could just forget raid night. Before you mention pugging then you have to remember that 90% of PUGs suck harder than your mom on a friday night.
Most 40 mans could be 25 manned, and you just carried the extra shitters until they got good.
>>You could only have one spec so if you wanted to be a healer then you won't be doing much questing.
Questing isn't fucking hard you can easily do it without being a dps spec.
>>People claim LFD ruined the game but somehow forgot that nearly everyone had a dungeon finder addon prior to it.
LFD ruined the game by porting you from the city to the dungeon, which ruined the sense of instances being places in the world.
>>You had to grind for insane amounts of gold to get an acceptable level for all of your spells because if they weren't high enough you couldn't do jack shit for damage/healing and no one would let you into their group
>>an acceptable level for all of your spells
Are you seriously whining about having to buy spell ranks?
>>>People think retail Legacy servers wouldn't be ghost towns because of Nost activity ignoring the fact that 90% of Nost players wouldn't have even touched it if it wasn't free.
I know I wouldn't have.
I didn't like Vanilla aside from old AV, my favorite expansions were TBC and Wrath, but I don't fault people who liked vanilla.
However, WAS IT SO MUCH TO ASK THAT I CAN SEE THE FUCKING HP VALUES IN VANILLA?
>>335406294
>world pvp kept me hooked. so many memories of 3v5's and 2v2's in the wild. good friends, and good enemies
Definitely, that good enemies thing was important. As a rogue I'd end up recognizing the warriors on the server running around with AQ40 gear and smashing my face into the ground. As a I geared up we'd end up with a mutual respect. Cross-realm zones kind of yanked that.
Nostalgia time? Nostalgia time.
I remember when I and a friend would gank an alliance raiding guild so hard on their way through Stranglethorn Vale that we got @posts on the server forums. Shit just doesn't happen now.
>Get into dungeon
>Say "hi"
>No-one responds
>Get into BG
>Don't recognise anyones name
The only reason I miss vanilla is because of shit like this
>>335406816
I think for dungeons at least it's because they're so easy nowadays. Back when VC or Mara would take a couple of hours at least to finish, you needed to kinda know who you were with and banter a bit. Nowadays it's just blow shit up for 20 minutes, rinse repeat with some other randoms
>>335402134
>I'm talking about how they ruined Garrosh. Garrosh had so much potential as a character.
No he fucking didn't. Blizzard never knew what to do with Garrosh, his personality would change so much with every expansion that you could make the argument he was 4 different characters.
>TBC: My dad was a monster so I'm sad. Wait, he wasn't a monster (even though outside of that one time he redeemed the orcs he totally was)? I have confidence now!
>Wrath: RAAGH KILL THE ALLIANCE'S CHILDREN, BURN THE WOMEN AND RAPE THE CHURCHES!
>Cata: I am a noble leader of my people who will lead them to greatness, and I have learned from Saurfang's lessons
>MoP: Who am I kidding, I'm an asshole and possess every flaw my father did tenfold.
>WoD: I am actively worse than my father.
>>335407016
>VC
Violet Citadel?
>>335407176
Van Cleef, the acronym Deadmines got after Dire Maul came out and stole DM.
>>335396628
Not true, aside from the pointless movement talent, there are objectively best talents for retadins
>>335406760
buddy, i can still name myy greatest friendemies
rita, juice, slidee, narph
we fought first in 2005 during a redridge raid at ~level 20. and continued to fight as our guilds combined and began competing for mc/onyxia progress. we'd fight over world bosses. we'd talk shit on the forums
but when i'd see them in the wild next year, we would /dance and chill. friends i couldn't talk to. hope they are ok. sometimes we'd fight for the hell of it, a grudge that needed settled. that is what community brought, and sucked me into the world. if it wasn't for those bonds, i would have left at level 60. my leveling priest was mel, we went from 15-60. rip friend
>>335407158
MoP Garrosh was really fucking weird. Demons were bad because daddy got corrupted, but eating Old God mojo is totally cool.
>>335407274
Only fags use VC since everyone used DM N or DM E for dire maul
>>335405387
If you think any of that is untrue you never fucking played vanilla.
>>335397187
>Paladins were specifically made to be easy mode.
Shame in Vanilla they were shit in anything except Holy. Hell Ret wasn't good until Wrath.
That's why I argue I deserve my goddamn Ashbringer. I stayed ret through the entire lifespan of this game, no matter how shit we were. I deserved to be rewarded for putting up with Blizz's endless shit.
>>335404467
Oh cool, you were a scrub who played on a low pop server.
>>335407558
there were devoted ret paladins you retard. i've never played pally even once, but i distinctly remember their lust for the perfect reckoning bomb. it was their crack
>>335407016
Oh man, I miss deadmines, that shit was pretty cool.
Too bad they won't bring it back... again.
>>335398309
Everytime
>>335407558
Horde Ret pallys were broken at the end of Burning Crusade because they had seal of blood
>>335405819
World PVP really was a thing back then. Half of it was due to the lack of content. People needed things to do, so when they saw their guildies getting harassed in Hillsbrand or STV, they FP'd out to occupy themselves. Also having to queue at the actual BG entrance, and gatherings at raid entrances, even the Silithus events during AQ helped world PVP thrive.
But vanilla lacked content more-so than any latter expansion. It was a major complaint. There was less to do for someone in endgame during vanilla than anything else. Most of my fond memories are simply because it was the first time playing the game and experiencing the world.
Cross-realm BS is what killed the server communities, and subsequently killed the game. Not the changes to the game portion of the game made over time.
>>335408113
>what are quests
>what is horde onyxia attunement
>>335408201
Seal of Blood was garbage in PVP and the top Ret Paladin in PVE was pushing average DPS numbers. It wasn't broken, it was just that you couldn't viably DPS without it.
I like Vanilla because it was before Blizzard killed the game by streamlining. Blizzard thinks they know what people want better than them and they're losing fucking everyone for it.
Little things like leveling up your abilities and getting better ammunition for the gun really sold the RPG aspect and made the game feel a lot more immersive. Plus you have class quests and little stuff that makes things unique, once I rolled a hunter just so I could use eyes of the beast on a crocodile.
There's also the fact that Vanilla has 60 levels worth of relatively challenging content while later expansions often only had one. Questing wasn't the boring elevator ride to max level, it WAS the game. Now the only real game is the end game, it's not a world anymore, just a couple of instances and a hub that you just fuck around in.
There's no reason to group now in low levels because it just makes steamrolling everything more complicated, where as before having two people around would really speed up killing stuff.
There no more early game, there's no reward, you just get everything instantly now. Before when I got a mount I was so fucking proud of myself I was gonna ride it across the whole continent. Now you get a mount and full epics at LITERALLY LEVEL FUCKING ONE. 4
There's no victory without a war.
>>335408245
which always makes me think, why didn't lower pop servers simply get merged. surely they thought of it. i'm pretty sure there was a 6 month period where we were almost certain it was coming, to alleviate the queue issues. instead, we got cross-realms and the community aspect took the piss
>>335407158
>>MoP: Who am I kidding, I'm an asshole and possess every flaw my father did tenfold.
>>WoD: I am actively worse than my father.
Shame thing.
>>335402945
Or you downloaded Questhelper, like everyone did
>Questing and leveling should be difficult in a game where the only shit that matters is what you do when you're done leveling
Is this what desperate faggots tell themselves?
>>335402991
IIRC, you still had to taunt swap because golemagg used armor reducing attacks and the dogs used stacking bleeds.
Also, I would say that the only bosses that you could actually just sit there with autoattack on (in MC and BWL) was Lucifron, Garr, and Vael. That is assuming I am not forgetting any mechanics. It's been a while.
>>335408520
shit wrong pic
>>335408481
Blizzard has had a longstanding fear that merging servers would ruin server communities. Many people on low pop servers complained they didn't want to be on a high pop, and Blizzard would force them into one. Ironically it was the reliance on cross-realm queuing that destroyed them. They would mention this almost every time someone asked about server merges.
Some believe Blizzard never merged realms because they didn't want to admit their subscription numbers were falling, but I don't know how true that is.
Vanilla and TBC were great. Why? I loved adventure. Going to Deadmines and SFK was Horde was an adventure in itself. Being a full Deadmines set horde player was impressive. Getting to RFC or Gnomerion was even harder.
Also, I got heavy into Twinking in between raids, raising money to twink, and doing world PvP. My 49 Shaman was OP as fuck people complained about me. Not my fault Blizzard fucked up weapon procs which made me essentially invincible 1v1.
>>335408358
What was the horde Onyxia attunement? Did it mirror the Marshal Windsor questline?
>>335408626
you still had to stack sunder to outpace the mages/rogues. god forbid they caught aggro, it wasn't always obvious what the raid was supposed to do. pray that the engineer could revive that priest or make the walk back
>>335408593
Nothing fucking matters in a videogame you delusional faggot.
Even then the problem is that, relative to the rest of the game, questing and leveling SHOULD matter and it SHOULD be fucking fun. Why even have leveling at all if it's not going to be fun? It's just a really fucking long and boring tutorial, a waste of money for the developers and a waste of time for the players.
>>335408626
>mfw the clusterfuck that was Majordomo
Easily best fight in the raid. It felt like a goddamn mass melee.
>>335408859
Go fuck yourself leveling was an absolute shitfest in Vanilla
>>335408815
the only part i remember clearly was having to hunt down some orc in the zone that had mauradon. my party spread out, and we found him after 20 minutes. he patrolled a long ass route on the road.
>>335395320
Because the Community. Back in 2004 the internet was a lot younger, less assholes made themselves known, and people genuinely wanted to help out and work together.
Now its shit. people just sit in their garrisons and talk shit to each other and theres hardly any reason to be in a guild anymore.
>>335395854
>Server community was stronger.
This. Even Nost had this. I loved teaming up with other randoms and doing quests or hunting Alliance filth.
There were too few gys in some zones though, could make the game really tedious.
>>335408908
That and the 5 on 5 Magister's Terrace fight.
Those were both fun as hell.
>>335408982
That would have been Rexxar right?
>>335408782
>gromerion
>>335395320
>>People think retail Legacy servers wouldn't be ghost towns because of Nost activity ignoring the fact that 90% of Nost players wouldn't have even touched it if it wasn't free.
90% of Nost players dropped it even though it was free.
Blizz was literally right when they said "You think you want it, but you don't."
LIGHTING
SEEK
MY
FOES
>>335395320
Never played WoW but is the third point true because that actually sounds fun to do to go underwater diving
>>335395320
Yup I don't get it. All these people bitching at Blizzard to open vanilla servers should be asking them to open TBC servers as TBC was the pinnacle of WoW.
>>335409047
yep, zone was named desolace. apparently he's somewhere else now. fucking game, does metzen even have a sub anymore
>>335409136
>>335407950
Yeah and they patched the reckoning bomb once someone killed a boss with it.
>>335408815
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXS3jdR7LAw
relive the memories
>>335395320
Exactly. I just wish they kept ways to get the pvp titles after TBC. Waiting until rated BGs to bring them back was retarded.
>>335408358
You do those parts ONCE, then never go to those sections of BRD ever again. After that it's nothing but Emperor Runs over and over.
>>335409084
Or whatever it was, I'm tired. I was Horde. I did it once as a Rogue by stealthing to it.
>>335397058
I used to /follow on the warlock and cleanse on the first mc boss, and play prince of persia that was all
>>335409261
kazzak was a hard world boss early in the game. way harder then ashara or whatever azuregoes(?)
instead of fixing the class to accommodate an exploit, they changed the classes mechanics and called it good. if you remember the paladin tears, they flowed for months.
>>335395730
You realize taunt was on a 30 second cooldown in Vanilla right. And it was a spell. Which meant it went by spell hit rules and not melee hit rules. Tanks fucking played Bemani to hold aggro in Vanilla because threat was so fragile.
In fact threat was so fragile that if you managed to have a competent warlock who was allowed to play SM/Ruin and not be the elements bitch the entire strategy for HOW he did damage was that pulling hate was inevitable so his threat dump was literally dying.
Fuck out of here faggotron.
>>335409261
Don't try to argue with nostalgiafags who clearly didn't play back then, they think Reckoning Bombing is some revered thing that wasn't patched out immediately after someone killed Kazzak with it.
>>335408956
It was a shitfest and that made it more rewarding and more fun. It's better than fucking nothing, they could've made leveling less of a shitfest while still keeping it fun and challenging.
All videogames are is a series of challenges to be overcome, with the reward being the feeling you get for winning. Modern wow leveling has no reward because there is no challenge, it's barely a fucking videogame until you hit max level and even then there's barely any fucking content.
>>335395320
Vanilla was great to explore at first but absolute trash in retrospect looking at its systems and most of the raid mechanics in general.
BC/Wrath had their issues but were arguably superior experiences.
Do people talking about Vanilla being so hardcore not remember that WoW was meant to be a stripped down baby mode Everquest to begin with?
>>335400289
At first I thought you were listing the lyrics from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4TyqYsC26g
I remember in TBC I bought my mates account with a 70 Prot Warrior. I went and got Quel'serar or whatever, it was an ace looking sword. i used it until I got Kings Defender. Since that +300DEF Proc is pretty much constantly up.
I guarantee you people would hate the game much, much less if Dungeon Finder, Looking for Raid, and cross realm battlegrounds didn't exist.
>>335409549
>>335409502
omg someone found a way to do x
>world exploration
NUKE IT.
[Thunderfury, Blessed Blade of the Windseeker]
>>335409502
Thankfully Horde didn't notice. But I have a fetish for Blood Elf Paladins. I always wanted full Judgement Set for my BE Paladin. It was the best armour set and it was exactly the colour BE are known for.
>>335409163
>>335409163
>>335409163
>>335409163
>>335409163
>>335409163
I agree with this guy.
>>335409502
You can't "accomodate" something that lets you do near-infinite damage (relative to the hp/damage numbers of that part of the game). That's retarded, even in Blizzard's shitty sense of game balance they know that goes too far.
>>335409862
The legendary staves were rarer simply because nobody got them. Barely anybody finished Naxx and barely anybody else got the drops. It also looked like shit.
>>335395983
3.1 and 3.3 were alright but 3.0 and 3.2 were garbage
>>335395320
>Tanks could literally tab out and do something else during raids.
Babby's first bait?
Nigger how do you expect to bait anyone when the first sentence already is just completely retarded and not subtle in any way.
>>335409687
everquest was great. what matters in how you invest in your /played time. are you stuck in some queue, playing with people you'll never see again, or are you fighting to save/competing with friends
because eq shared this with early wow
>>335409950
Near Infinite Damage which takes fucking ages to set up with you smacking high level mobs with a worn dagger, multiple times, for hours.
It was something most people didn't do and if you fucked up the pull of Kazzak you died.
If you want to talk about the "good 'ol days" vanilla WoW times you should go to Kungen and hang with him.
GUYS SHUT UP - WHO WOULD WIN IN A STRAIGHT UP 5V5 INCLUDING ALL THE FACTION LEADERS?
>>335409806
You're the guy who tierwhores in 3rd Strike and then tells a Sean player "just get better faggot", aren't you?
No, that's not how it works. With 2 players of equal skill, Sean literally can't beat Ken under any circumstances, the mechanics are too much on Ken's side. Same going with how reckoning prepatch worked.
>see thread
>go to world of roguecraft video too watch oldschool rogues beat beat mc geared warriors naked with broken knife
>rammstein audiotrack is censored
>>335410186
Rogues are underpowered man
Bc was goat
Perfect balance for difficulty, huge talent trees, fun raids
>>335409687
I felt exploring in EQ was great. Also, I sucked. I was a newb. I remember investing into Kick constantly.
>>335408426
>Little things like leveling up your abilities and getting better ammunition for the gun really sold the RPG aspect and made the game feel a lot more immersive. Plus you have class quests and little stuff that makes things unique, once I rolled a hunter just so I could use eyes of the beast on a crocodile.
Oh my god, this. I rolled a hunter on Nost before the shutdown and was blown away by how much more difficult everything was.
>no pet until level 10
>have to save money to afford skills
>have to save some money for pet food, arrows, and future mount.
I kept having pets run away because I couldn't afford enough good food. I had to actually take up fucking COOKING as a SKILL simply to feed my little shitty raptor. Now that's an engaging RPG.
>>335409950
they could have, um i don't know, limited the number of stacks to 10 or 20. of course that conclusion took me 18 months to come to, and several thousand hours analyzing excel sheets
>>335409163
They should open legacy servers for all expansions.
The player should have the option to start a character on any legacy server.
The player should also have the option to transfer their character to a later expansion server at any time.
That way players can play the game as it was in each expansion until they're ready to play their character on the latest expansion.
>>335410172
>5v5 including all faction leaders
>Alliance has 8 and Horde has 3
>>335395983
> many of the things that went wrong in wow are traced back to Wrath.
Wrath was a perfect balance. Cata was just fucking shit.
>>335409551
This isn't your everyday nostalgiafagging
This is. Advanced Nostalgiafagging
>>335410156
>with you smacking high level mobs with a worn dagger
You set up reckoning by getting hit, not hitting things. baka desu senpai
>>335410172
Horde would shrek alliance. The whole thing is "Horde has powerful leaders but not as much unity and numbers as alliance"
>>335409991
You know I don't think I ever saw Atiesh in game.
>>335410313
There's not even enough of an audience for legacy servers for one expansion, and you wanna split it 7 ways?
>>335410237
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LC1CDxbWIuM
>you will never go celebrate a rag kill with your best friends at mcdonalds at 4 in the morning again
>you will never have them crank holy diver over teamspeak
>>335408371
>Seal of Blood was garbage in PVP
Tell that to the double ret meta that was most teams at the end of TBC.
>>335395320
Do you play the current xpac that's out?
>>335410412
Yes. You had to put worn daggers on so you didn't kill the fucking mobs and they kept on hitting you, retard. It was more efficient. You're a retard. KYS. Do the world a favour.
>>335410182
>creativity
nerf it
>exploration
nerf it
>everything
nerf everything
you defend this why
>>335410307
What did they limit it to? 5?
>>335410493
I think I saw it once. Priest one I think.
Why do vanilla fags seem to just ignore the ridiculous amount of balance issues
>>335410307
Hotfixing it to 4 was fine. It's not like ret pallies could do good dps back then ayway.
Remember all those characters and locations from WC3 that you saw for the first time in WoW? Well all most of those characters died and most of those locations got transformed by Deathwing. They've exhausted all their lore and the new ones they come up exclusively for WoW are ass.
>>335410503
If there's just a single legacy server for each Expansion I'm sure there's enough nostalgiafags that would fill them.
>>335410582
Because you don't understand how making a game with fucking player competition works. You can't just leave blatantly unbalanced shit in the game. It's not nerfing, it's removing broken, buggy mechanics.
>>335407158
sylvanas is also a shitty character that keeps changes every fucking expansion
the undead really have no place in the horde anymore, they are all actively retarded evil.
they pretty much just fill a fucking spot now
>>335410695
>Thrall and his crew took many days to traverse through the Barrens
>Barrens is 15 minute walk from top to bottom
>>335410341
Human - Varian
Night Elf - Tyrande
Gnome - Mekkatorque
Dwarf - Bronzebeard
Draenei - Velen (Or Yrel if you care about her)
Orc - Thrall prime
Troll - Vol'jin
Undead - Sylvanas
Tauren - Bloodhoof
Blood Elf - Lor'Themar
basically the longest standing versions
>>335410681
It's impossible to balance WoW pvp with 9 different classes. When you play Vanilla you come to terms that your class will get shit on in certain 1v1 matchups regardless of the disparity in items.
>>335410695
They could have done the Emerald Dream or that place under the ocean.
>>335410503
You can't just open a server for one expansion, or just vanilla. That's really just not the way to do it. It's too inconsistent. They would need to open a server for each of them.
Believe me, there would be enough people for each server, because everyone playing private servers on every expansion, except the chinks and BRs that can't afford it, would flock to the retail legacy servers.
>>335410172
Baine is only good as an Ace Attorney.
Vol'jin's only battle accomplishment is getting stabbed in the neck.
Sylvanas is too scared of death to ever get into a serious fight again.
Gallywix doesn't give a shit.
Meanwhile, Alliance has Anduin who can mindcontrol people, Genn who is Garrosh tier, Malfurion who can do whatever the fuck he wants, a fucking Crystal Dwarf and a gnome who was more courageous on the Broken Shore than Sylvanas. There's also Velen, but he's legally not allowed to do anything in the main universe.
Horde wins anyways, however, since Saurfang is officially a faction leader now in 7.0
