Are you ready for Legion to save WoW?
You're not getting legacy servers, nostcucks. Better get used to it, blizzard is not bandai namco, a petition wont do shit
WotLK was the peak of the game
It'll never be the same again
>>335395172
I don't care about vanilla servers, I just don't want more garrisons.
Post your qt panda :3
>he hasn't swapped to FFXIV yet
yeah that's right, here comes the final fantasy shilling.
>>335395217
>WotLK was the peak of the game
fuck off, the game is just not fun anymore
play good games like shrek treasure hunt on playstation
>>335395295
>50
l
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oI wish the 50+ crafting grind wasn't so fucking shitty
>>335395217
>t. wrathbaby
>>335395217
>its a wrathbaby thinking TBC and vanilla werent better than Wrath of the Casuals episode
How did anyone ever enjoy this Skinner Box with garbage PvP?
played when I was 13, the first expansion killed it, all the time spent getting gear suddenly worthless whenever they feel like 'expanding', sad anyone plays this still
I was reading the updates on mmochamp and I literally don't recognize the game. I love the theme of the next expac but the whole missions shit and order halls seems like a Facebook game to me instead of what it used to be. I want to do dungeons and raids for gear and not depend on weird buffs from a weird shaman hole in the ground where I have to summon ascendants or whatever the fuck. It's confusing
>>335395568
>playing pvp
shouldn't you be reminiscing over dead mmos instead
>>335394940
Been watching gameplay videos, at least it looks faster than the shit WoD is right now.
>>335395716
>it looks faster
what the fuck is that supposed to mean? I can press 1 button every GCD mindlessly, thats not an improvement.
More depth is being removed. More utility is lost, there is no way to be a good player in Legion
p-please come back to WoW guys...
we even increased the server capacity for Legion
>not even 2000 people playing on the largest retail server @ peak time
HAHAHAHAHHAA
>>335395904
Jesus christ that's awful.
I'm losing blind and gouge as well as preparation on the char I've mained from vanilla I'm losing my mobility and control I'm also being introduced to a class that can say "hey fuck your core mechanic from 30 yards." No, I'm not ready to be cucked into raiding to be able to do anything or switch my specialization to be viable. Nor am I ready for uninformative character screens that have been gutted of information except for "Your primary stats" I'm not ready for battlegrounds and arenas with uniform stats. Nor Garrison 2.0 Class edition. I'm just so sad I can't get my pre order money back. But since I spent the money, I may as well get what I can from this expansion before I kick the habit for good.
ITS NOT FUCKING FAIR
NOT
FUCKING
FAIR
>>335395879
I don't know if they'll keep the numbers, but I've seen plenty of pvp stuff where they literally one shot people and I do think they're adding more stuff, I don't know what utility you're talking about, but I've seen plenty of good players in legion.
>>335395964
>fishing for replies in general chat
nobody left playing cares about the size of the playerbase
>>335395904
I used to play Horde on Azuremyst. What a joke.
>>335395295
>Playing a WoW clone with no notable endgame
>>335396121
ironically I got a few people mad right after that
>>335395904
This is like 5am on a Thursday right? It has to be.
>>335395315
In terms of tolerance yes, I enjoyed the first half of wrath.
>>335395964
>2000 people with that mod
What's your point
>>335395217
>wrath was the first hints of bringing the faction conflict back into the forefront
>it was also when subs started tanking
>probably a coincidence but maybe not
And its still happening with them making the horde retreat like a bunch of cowards even though both sides are suppose to be crushed afterwards
>>335395474
it's easy if you have a friend who can hq stuff for you
>>335395904
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vR20QH5UHoM
>>335396360
there's no way even 200 people would be using that mod, nice try blizzcuck
MoP did literally nothing wrong.
>>335396119
number arent tuned yet you fucking retard, 1 shots arent going to make it to live
>I dont know what utility youre talking about
because youre a literal retard that never understood the value of things like Shiv and Remove Curse so you dont notice them being removed
>ive seen plenty of good players in Legion
yea tell me how you differentiate good from bad when rotations are retard proof
>>335395904
>Alexstrasza
Shittiest server in the world
>>335394940
kek
>>335396639
Go back to stormfront you fucking Trump voter
Legion>TBC>Wrath>MoP>Vanilla>Cata>Warlords
This is just WoD 2 they've been revealing more and more awful shit from Wod that is returning in Legion
>>335395295
I swapped last year and haven't went back to WoW since then.
Currently finishing up Weaver so I can start on Carpenter. I've also been leveling Warrior.
>>335396805
>vanilla worse than world of queuecraft
nah
>>335394940
>are you ready fow WoD to save WoW?
>are you redy for MoP to save WoW?
>are you ready for Cata to save WoW?
I sure am
>>335396760
Nice try Paco
>>335395217
Wrath was pretty average at launch and was kinda shitty after Ulduar with the exception of a couple cool raid things.
As a whole, Wrath was pretty much equivalent to Mists, but both were inferior to BC which was inferior to "Vanilla".
>>335396639
realistically speaking it did two things wrong
>gating everything behind dalies, some things behind multiple sets of dalies
>the content drought at the end
I also dislike how it absolutely shit on the image of what orcs were suppose to be in world of warcraft 3
>>335395904
JUST
>>335396867
aside from garrisons/order halls what terrible shit are they bringing back
>>335397014
>gating everything behind dailies
only dailies were gated behind dailies you fucking retard. There is nothing wrong with reputations having rewards, and some reps like Klaxxi didnt require golden lotus
>>335396639
mop was great
>>335394940
Legacy servers when?
>>335397014
>sorry for 1 year of siege guys, we were busy training some new people while we worked on wod! won't happen again
>1 year of hellfire citadel
is it just the standard now?
>the closest we will ever get to a real demon hunter class is BC-era rogues with the Vision of Sargeras
>>335396669
>shiv
>remove curse
Things that are best placed on support-type characters rather than dps characters. If you had half a brain, you'd understand that they're removing things players literally don't use anymore, your "utility" is simply an illusion, if they make boss fights that don't require you to use that "utility" then it's useless.
>retard proof
Just because they're removing all the excess shit, even then, back when talents were in, all they did was confuse new players, while veteran players ran around all with the same cookie cutter build and didn't even bother with half the abilities because, to be quite honest, they were useless.
Go cry more about your shit vanilla server being gone.
>>335397346
yes.
>>335397276
I miss Pozy...
>>335397346
>1 year of ICC
>nearly 1 year of DS
yes. it is.
>>335397346
Blizzard has been doing 1 year long raid tiers since ICC.
>>335397379
what's wrong with legion demon hunters?
>>335397223
Those awful apexis zone dailies where you just grind mobs to fill the bar
>>335397346
May as well be two years, there's a certain median level of Blizzdrones who would stay subscribed to the game if they removed literally everything.
I THINK I DO
BUT I DON'T
>>335397413
i miss pandas
>>335395904
.. I've never seen Illidan or Tich any less than High/Max popped in the past 3 years.
holy shit that's terrible, I remember during MoP I transitioned 4 characters off of Tich because they were offering free server swaps to Blackrock since the server-pop kept maxing out
>>335397284
Probably shortly after legion bombs
>>335397573
Ugly hairdo
>>335395904
Man people on /v/ weren't kidding when they said WoW was dead in North America.
It's mainly Europeans and Chinks who play the game now.
>>335397560
It's true T.T
I was 14 when I started WoW.
If I tried playing the same way I did then and getting into the "community" I would have to be that loser on the bottom.
>>335397638
You must be easily persuaded. The picture could have been taken immediately before/after a maint and after they increased server caps. Please don't serve on a jury.
I give it 2 months before the expansion tanks
>>335397560
>burgers and fish sticks
>>335397386
>things players literally don't use anymore
PvE-shitter detected
>>335397386
>support characters
You mean what some DPS characters did back when this game wasnt shit? Utility belongs on DPS characters, they shouldnt just be damage bots you fucking retard
>players dont use them
because people like you suck ass at the game. I use my full toolkit all the time
>if they dont make a boss that requires it
which is a design issue, that doesnt mean it should be pruned since it still has uses in existing bosses.
>its only excess shit and hard for new players
new players need to get good, and everybody needs to actually use their fucking toolkit
Not a single spell they have pruned do I not use regularly. Stop being shit and kill yourself
>>335397967
This is what it looks like now. They did recently increase the server capacity so a lot of what used to be "HIGH" is now "MED" apparently.. Who knows for certain
>>335397465
They have 4 active abilities
>>335397386
>you dont use shiv anymore
there is literally a place for Shiv in HFC right now on Council
>you dont use remove curse
there are curses in dungeons and in PvP as well as old content
Just because youre too shit to use the ability doesnt mean I should lose the opportunity to show Im not shit
>>335398204
They increased the server capacity because it wasn't enough for when WoD launched, and the launch was so terrible because of how many people were trying to play that they had to issue an apology
![normalfag[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/viljfhs.jpg "normalfag[1].jpg")
>>335397560
>people will a lot of time and effort to spare shouldnt be allowed to succeed in a game
>>335398361
So they think Legion will hit and keep those numbers again?
>>335397560
I never understood losers who wasted their life grinding honor in Vanilla when you could have just used a bot like a smart person.
>>335398487
well they're not retards from /v/, so yeah
>>335398097
>>335398073
>DPS supporting
And then I'm the bad player. If it's pve I rather let a support handle it, if it's pvp I'll just use damage mitigation.
>new players need to get good
I'm sure all 200k nostalrius players would make a huge dent on blizzard's current economy even when their sub numbers are at the lowest. Protip:they won't.And yet the "casuals" and "new" players are keeping it afloat somehow, I wonder who Blizzard will listen to?
>>335399272
THERE IS NO SUPPORT ROLE YOU LITERAL MONKEY
>>335398487
Blizzard will probably sell a metric fuck of expansion boxes, people will play for a month and then leave. This in their eyes is a success.
>>335397967
You must be easily skeptical since both of those servers are rarely below high, even after maintenance day's. You'd know that if you played the fucking game during Late cata, or Late MoP even.
Please don't breathe anymore.
>>335399334
Okay, I'm sorry wrathbabby, I meant "healing toon"
>>335399272
The more they listen to casual shitbabbies who are either literally retarded or only have 15 minutes a week to play, the more the game dies. When the game was decent, the ~10 million actual players supported the game way more than you did.
>>335399272
>cant make an argument as to why making everything retard proof is healthy gameplay
protip: players should care more about the game being fun than Blizzard making tons of money. You are literally arguing for the game to be worse so that Metzen can afford more yachts.
>>335399272
>DPS classes should literally only be able to deal damage
what a shit fucking opinion
>>335395716
it's actually slower for a lot of classes, many DPS specs aren't even close to being GCD locked and DKs also got nerfed from 1 sec GCD to 1.5 sec
>>335396760
Where do you think you are?
>>335396305
No I started playing again recently. Almost every server is low. Couple of mediums. Every so often my server ends up as "high" even though it used to be full 24/7. Pre-expansion lull has kicked in hardcore this time around since WoD was so shit.
>>335394940
Just once I would like a WoW thread on /v/ full of actual discussion and not just shitposting and memes.
>>335399531
>more than you did
>implying i'm subbed
I'm just making a point, right now the only ones playing/subbing are soccer moms and busy people with a short as fuck attention span. Because that's where their money is coming from, that's exactly the people they will listen to.
Also captcha is starting to ask for image verification, I don't know why you're all getting so fucking mad over a game you don't even play anymore, if you miss vanilla just go play on another less populated vanilla server :^)
After the massive disappointment that was Heavensward I figure it can't get much worse from here for MMO's. So I'll play Legion and continue to be disappointed in video games.
I'm just so broken by all this bullshit like SFV and Star Fox Zero. Why are developers so incompetent now?
>>335399526
nice try WoDbaby, but back before Wrath things like spriests and enhance shamans had raid spots for reasons other than their damage
wanna take a guess what those reasons were?utility and support
>>335399784
What was so disappointing about Heavensward may I ask?
>>335399895
It was an expansion for a shit game (FFXIV)
>>335399969
What makes it shit? Please go into detail.
>>335399895
Content is put through a drip feed, as opposed to the stream of it ARR had. It's also just more of the same shit, the only thing to do is fight Alexander and Sephirot over and over again.
The sultana is also just magically alive. So all that big finale shit in ARR didn't matter.
>>335399774
>blizzard ruins the game for only soccer moms to enjoy it
>continues to ruin it under justification of soccer moms like it
the spike at WoD launch shows people still want to play this game. A ton of people want to play the game.
They dont want to play the abortion that is modern WoW. The market is sitting on the sidelines waiting for Blizzard to take their head out of their ass but they keep going deeper
>Been playing a mage since vanilla
>Slowly i've had everything stripped away from me
>now all I have is DPS
And thats always a gamble, next patch my specs could be shit tier and I'll lose my raid slots.
Fucking trinity based raid design is cancer.
>>335396207
you must of never played it if you think there is no endgame :^)
>>335400089
Moving all the talent to project Titan didn't help either, now that's a failed project turned into an FPS WoW was basically sacrificed for nothing.
>>335400089
Or for someone to come out with a quality MMO.
Problem is they're all WOW clones that take the worst aspects of new WOW and focuses entirely upon them.
>>335397560
>burgers and fishsticks
>>335400098
look anon, stuff like dampen magic and remove curse and spellsteal werent important. They kinda confused casuals also, so its not okay
just press 1123 okay :)
>>335399837
Whoa wait, last thing before I leave.
This is bullshit, I used to be in an incredibly elitist hardcore guild back in the vanilla nax days (believe me or not, I really don't give two fucks) and they literally refused to take feral/balance druids, shadow priests and elemental shamans to the raids because of how gimped they were.
Enhance shamans had a spot because their dps was good and windfury totem as a damage buff was amazing, but there was no "utility" per se, just a damage buff.
>>335400060
What little content there is is shit. Absolute fucking trash artstyle and atmosphere. Gameplay is slow and stale. The japanese have no idea what subtlety means, or how less can equal more. Every single animation is a clusterfuck lightshow. Catgirls and pedophile potatoes. Terrible community/playerbase. Every single area is instanced. PvP is non-existent.
Throw ontop of all that most of the problems that neo-WoW currently suffers from.
>>335400253
games are a white collar investment. f2p MMOs with cash shops, lobbies and cut corners will generate more revenue than 'hardcore' MMOs
>>335400275
So this is the power... of Legendary pictures.
>>335396364
>it was also when subs started tanking
Not him, but I thought subs started tanking in Cataclysm, and that subs were at an all-time high during Wrath?
>Want to make class identities stronger
>Take away burning embers from destro locks and go with soul shards all around
>>335400064
To be fair, the devs already said almost a year before that Heavensward was going to follow the same content trend as ARR but try some new things once in a while.
They added Diadem and LoV which was a flop, they added red scrips which was an even bigger flop, and they are planning on adding content like Palace of the Dead and Treasure Hunting Dungeons in 3.3 and if the trend follows then that will a flop too. Whenever they try new content, people don't like it as much so they go back to the same tried and true stale formula grind as ARR.
Also, ARR was a full game at release. Heavensward is an expansion. It's only natural that ARR had more content to offer at release than Heavensward.
>>335400674
>Want to make class identities stronger
>Prune everything and give everyone similar abilities
I'm surprised every class can't stealth by now.
>>335400451
sounds like buzzwords you heard on the internet than actual complaints you experienced.
>>335400668
Blizzard lies a lot with asian numbers
>>335400429
>windfury isnt utility
>forgetting about stuff like Tremor totem
>forgetting about spriest role in TBC
Someone post the illidan....
>>335395038
BUt this post acrually makes sense
>>335400668
subs stagnated. they were losing players just as fast and new players were coming to the game.
>>335400674
>strengthen class identity
>pallies lost Exorcism
Yep, sounds about right.
>>335400762
MMO's just aren't a genre for new things. Everybody always wants more of the same.
>>335400602
jesus modern cinema is so shitty
>>335400938
It doesn't tho
>>335400889
>vanilla nax
>HURDUR TBC THEY WERE SO GUD
Which they were, but dat reading comprehension.
I would play vanilla just because there is no blood elves
>>335400429
>buffing other melee isnt utility
retard
>>335395038
>/v/ idolizes kern
what a world we live in
>>335400994
Cinema, comics, TV, video games, welcome to hell.
>>335395217
Cataclysm was the peak of WoW. Wrath was a step down, but did somethings right. However, Cataclysm on release was amazing. Great heroics, challenging raids, fun zones. I don't give a fuck what /v/ thinks, Vashj'ir was great.
I can't comment on Firelands because I didn't play it, but launch Cataclysm was the most fun I've ever had in WoW.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fORGYFR0RM
>>335401084
Because your naxx nitpicking was a poor argument in the first place? I said before Wrath, trying to cut out the entirety of TBC was nonsense.
>>335401159
The guy is an attentionwhore for sure. He just subbed to kungen and practically demanded that everyone should know by tweeting kungen when he didn't recognize his name
>>335400602
They're alright by me as long as they keep putting out Guillermo Del Toro films.
>>335401159
There's a big difference between idolizing him and respecting his opinion on legacy servers m8.
>>335401214
>Cataclysm was the peak of WoW
HHHHHHHHHHHHHHAHAAHAAAHAHA
>>335395217
draenor was unbelievably shit
>>335401159
Kern was a talented developer and director. The problem as I see it is the modern world really can't invest in a game like World of Warcraft because it doesn't pat your ass for every little feat. Some stuff in the old game was actually difficult and challenging because it was based on Everquest, the least rewarding experience since being dipped in scalding water.
>>335401159
https://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/1tuf3c/this_is_why_mark_kern_was_removed_as_ceo_by_red_5
>>335401357
>There's a big difference between idolizing him and respecting his opinion on legacy servers m8.
You guys are pathetic, you're actually white knight sodapoppin too you faggots. I bet if pewdiepie hopped onto the bandwagon too you'd be sucking his dick
>>335401214
Cataclysm still suffered from the super simplistic progression
>max reps for mandatory enchants
>grind heroics for gear
>buy your 3piece tier
>run raid
ps all of this was done from Stormwind/Org. Crafting was a fucking joke, the only other source of gearing was the handful of things from Archeology (which was actually fine)
>>335401478
keyword: was
now he's a washed up cuck
>>335401501
>>335395217
>WotLK was the peak of the game
kill yourself
>>335401478
Mark Kern was a producer, not a designer. Don't confuse "Team Lead" with Creative Director or Lead Designer. From Burning Crusade onward they removed the position entirely.
Rob Pardo made WoW good in the first place. Mark Kern is a fucking hack who will only ever be known for Firefail.
Tigole (Kaplan) and Furor (Afrasiabi) are the EQ nerds
>>335401674
Thanks for conceding
>>335401680
see
>>335400668
nice /v/ me-mes tho
>>335396886
>>are you redy for MoP to save WoW?
Said no one ever.
>>335401719
Well regardless of who it was, we will never see a game like vanilla again because gaming is now focusing on instant gratification and superficial glory.
>>335401478
>Kern
>talented
kek
>>335401478
You can argue the same shit with Tim Schafier.
>>335401902
>the number of braindead casuals corrrelates to quality
nice meme. if it was so good why did subs flatline completely? Shouldnt people have been coming into the game?
>>335401948
yes and kern is a hack desperate to attach his name onto everything to stay relevant
>>335402004
Tim Schafer made platformers and is capable of making reasonable games even if he is a total shitface.
>>335401853
>I bet you guys white knight sodapoppin!
ebin
>>335402015
if your favourite expansion was so good, how come it had millions less than wotlk?
>>335395964
Kronos has like 15000 people either playing or in queue to play at peak times.
>>335402149
because those with decent taste are few in number?
>>335402149
slope > quantity
imho
>>335402149
>if white South Africa was so great why does it have a higher population now?
>>335401603
I should have included that there was a lot wrong with Cataclysm. However, most of it seemed to be a reaction to community feedback. As for reps, heroic grind, raiding, that all sounds like BC.
Reps were more or less the same as BC. I remember spending two weeks grinding Netherwing rep for a mount. You also needed those shitty tokens for gear enchants (scryers aldor)
The grinding was pretty bad compared to Cataclysm AT LAUNCH. It was basically Karazhan the entire expansion and hope to get into a 25-man raiding guild. While I managed to get into one, it wasn't ideal.
>>335402015
It flatlined because Chink servers went down for some time so they stopped reporting numbers. You're right though Wrath was in no way the peak of WoW.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7B2NVmSKwEg
Retail players are wild
>>335402304
>it's a continental analogy
>>335402213
nah wrath was perfect.
the icc 'drought' patch was the best patch in WoW
had the perfect balance of pvp, world involvement, content, difficulty and gear progression
Why does anyone play this shit? A basic ttrpg or roguelike has more weapons and items than this shit. There's so little content, few players, etc. Why bother paying for this when there are so many better games stuffed with content that you can either play for free or buy with a one off payment? I don't understand.
>>335402380
Heroic grind in BC involved more thant JUST the badges, which is what Cata was all about. Additionally, the reps were more varied, it wasnt just "everybody rush this rep because you need the enchant no matter what you play"
and again, crafting was far better. That
>>335402302
BTFO
>>335402450
bitter dudebro panda doesn't like world pvp: the documentary
this is awful
>>335402302
And this equates to Kern's opinion on legacy servers not being respectable how?
>>335400889
As far as subs go, when i was playing the game during Vanilla-->Wotlk i remember that the only real sub raises the game got was when it released in a new region.
The subs didn't raise in TBC since the game got so much better, they rose because the game released in Asia/South America.
>>335402656
Because he's a hack nobody who only wants attention?
Sodapoppin is a faggot and if you latch onto him you're a total faggot yourself. You're not gonna sit here on /v/ and tell me how much you like sodapoppin. Get the hell out
>>335402462
>wrath was perfect
wew lad
>perfect balance of PvP
lol
>world involvement
are you serious right now? They didnt even have shit to do in all of Crystalsong
>content
raid or bust?
>difficulty
dungeons were faceroll, world mobs were faceroll, 10m was faceroll, all difficulty naxx was faceroll, the difficulty was shit
>gear progression
youre joking right? Grind outdated dungeons for free badges was a SHIT system
>>335402582
I'll give you crafting.
There wasn't much of a heroic grind in BC until the badges. I guess Champ of the Naaru could be considered a "grind" but they got rid of that for the better (it's my favorite achievement but very hard for the average player). When badges did come out though, everyone was forced to trudge through Karazhan. It was really annoying. From then on, the badge system has survived in one way or another.
Again, speaking only for Cataclysm pre-Firelands, there was much more freedom in raids. I might be mistaken, but Cata is the only expansion to offer multiple intro raids.
>>335400602
Wow those are some solid flicks. I mean most of the ones that suck on that list it's because of shitty writing. They're well directed/have good effects.
I want Legion to succeed, but it appears they're doubling down on their neo-MMO philosophies instead of fixing the core problems.
They care more about the single player experience feeling "epic" than a cohesive multiplayer world.
Here's some things they could do.
1. Remove flying again from new areas. (maybe they could rework flying to involve skill - as it is now you're basically no clipping around while invincible)
2. Remove LFG and LFR tool.
3. Remove cross server zones in favor of more realm mergers. You have no idea how fast I lost my erection when I saw an Orgrimmar raid fizz out because of instanced zones.
4. Stop pruning abilities and get over the fascination with farmville.
>>335397470
b-b-but mob grinding is the classic Vanilla experience
>>335400872
Every one of those points is spot on though - particularly his point about instancing. I mean, open worlds in MMOs should be a given. But FF gets away with this utter shit purely because of the brand name. Seriously, if any other MMO instanced the world to the extent that XIV does, it would be dead within a year. The point about the combat being a light show is also spot on; the colours and sounds that trigger every time you hit a key have no real connection to what you're actually doing - they LOOK great until you realize they're utterly meaningless. I don't need my character being surrounded by ancient energies just because I fired off a basic arrow. The story is also moe garbage that deserves none of the praise that it gets.
>Playing PvP in retail
>Destro Warlock with 700k HP
>That feel when 200k+ Chaos Bolts with Dark Soul up
>>335403280
I'm in alpha/beta whatever the fuck.
1. No flying confirmed again. The zones are designed around it and it works for the most part. Leveling goes at a steady pace.
2. LFG/LFR will never be removed. It is such a core system of multiple multiplayer games, no online game could survive without a matchmaking system these days.
3. That would be great, but WoW will be long dead before that's possible.
4. Garrison shit is back. It might look different but it's just packaged shit.
>>335403206
>wew lad
nice
>lol
very nice
>are you serious right now?
very compelling
>raid or bust
it wasn't raid or bust at all. I didn't raid a drop past my first LK 10N kill
>dungeons were faceroll
5 man dungeons were easy once people got gear that far surpassed them, yes. as with world mobs, 10 man, naxx in icc patch (lol why are you mentioning that?)
just like how mythic hfc is faceroll now. but the progression to get through wotlk content was very smooth. also introduced hardmodes in ulduar, limited attempts in togc.
>Grind outdated dungeons for free badges was a SHIT system
it wasn't. leveling a new character and being able to gear 0-100 in one sitting is a FANTASTIC system. gating gearing behind weekly caps is absolutely awful.
>>335403280
>1. Remove flying again from new areas. (maybe they could rework flying to involve skill - as it is now you're basically no clipping around while invincible)
It's gonna be like WoD
No flying on launch and for a while.
>>335402832
I mean he was team lead when the game was developed.
>>335403780
Doesn't mean shit
>>335403671
>it wasnt raid or bust at all
there was nothing else to do, thats why they had the split difficulty raids, you were raid ready in a week and didnt have anything else to work on
>dungeons were only easy when you overgeared them
you were shit at the game. From launch they were miles easier than anything in TBC
>free epics from facerolling content you outgear is a good system
kys
>>335404102
haha ok
>>335403671
>5 man dungeons were easy once people got gear that far surpassed them, yes. as with world mobs, 10 man, naxx in icc patch (lol why are you mentioning that?)
LOL Every tank goes AOE tanking abilities to compensate for the design change in Wrath. You were meant to tank entire packs of mobs. As for bosses, only the ICC 5mans were any challenge.
>>335404349
see>>335401719
Mark Kern is the last who had any influence on this game.
>>335404143
>there was nothing else to do
that's just wrong.
>From launch they were miles easier than anything in TBC
tbc heroics were numerically harder than wrath heroics, yes.
>kys
good argument
>>335404367
the dungeon difficulty spike and raid inaccessibility in cataclysm drove millions away. clearly a better system, right?
>>335403650
>>335403676
>No flying confirmed again. The zones are designed around it and it works for the most part
It's good that they're self-aware of the problems flying brings. The unfortunate thing is that they've spent so, SO many years pandering to casuals that many of the people that would applaud such a change already left like two expansions ago. It's disorienting going from 4chan/reddit/anywhere and hearing the typical complaints and then going on the Blizz forums where people are still complaining about the game not being casual enough.
Now they can take more risks by making their MMO a proper MMO again, or continue to play it safe and feed off the casual base still remaining.
Not that all current WoW players are casual. At least your MMO still has PVP. Most contemporary MMORPGS saw the streamlined themepark WoW was turning into and ran farther with it in the hopes it'd pay off.
>It didn't.
>>335404435
>From Burning Crusade onward they removed the position entirely
this doesn't help your point
>>335404730
Team Lead isn't a creative position you fucking moron. Are blind, deaf, and dumb?
>>335404819
>>335404819
>Team Lead isn't a creative position you fucking moron
did i say it was? does it need to be for kern's opinions on legacy servers to matter?
no
>>335404594
It's really easy to taken expansions out of context. Of course it pissed off the majority of players. Both expansions had opposite extreme ends of dungeon difficulty. Both had major flaws. However, at least with Cataclysm non-raiders had meaningful content.
>>335405008
it does when you're trying to latch onto him as if he were some god. He's a hack and starved for attention
>>335404594
>dungeons were interesting and casual retards were gone
yes that was an improvement
>>335401853
internet argument master at work
fucking k e k
>>335405043
I think wotlk had more meaningful content than cataclysm.
>>335405138
and now your game is dead. congratulations
>>335405086
>it does when you're trying to latch onto him
it actually doesn't bud, try again
should i sub now to be ready for legion, I have some leveling to do for my druid. What server should i transfer to?
>>335405186
>and now your game is dead
Cata had more subs than the casual shitshow that is WoD, nice try
>>335405401
wrath had more subs than your retarded nostalgia-appeal cataclysm :)
>>335405186
Overall I agree.
While Wrath had it's fair share of bad raids (ToC, rehash Naxx/Ony, EoE), at least it had ICC and Ulduar. Dungeons were shit in Wrath the whole expansion. I never cared for PVP. ToC world content was GOAT.
Cataclysm had great dungeons and great intro raids. I've read the rest was an abortion. Cata isn't totally at fault though, as Wrath's LFG system directly inspired LFR.
>>335405206
It does, he's just a cipher. Mike Morhaime doesn't even follow him on twitter, i.e. he's a nobody
He's probably a psychopath who needs attention
>>335405541
>jousting and fly to lake once a day was GOAT
nice shit taste
>>335405293
I'd wait for the pre-patch. You'll be used to all the coming class changes then.
>>335405598
>Mike Morhaime doesn't even follow him on twitter
oh wow, that's actually a great argument
>>335405737
when is the pre-patch launching?
>>335405651
Other than leveling, what was better end-game world content? BC had some interesting daily quests here and there. Cata had nothing but rep grinds. ToT content I guess?
>>335405765
Cruisecuck.... still desperate I see
>>335405781
No idea, probably a couple months from now closer to Legion's release.
>>335405836
I liked everything about timeless isle, except realm hopping.
>>335405836
Vanilla, which is the world content the game needs to aim for
Flight fucked world content in the ass obviously. ToT was okay but still too easy and not open ended enough, same goes for Molten Front.
>>335405865
thanks for conceding
>>335405765
I follow literally every current and old WoW dev (including Mark) and many people in Blizzard in general. Nobody follows him. That alone says more about him than a thousand words
>legion will save wow
When legion is released, sub numbers will rise due to the movie and returning players as well as possible new players. However, they will drop when everyone realises that it's shit.
Garrisons are returning with a new coat of paint >order halls
Daily quests are returning in the form of 'world quests' which are just glorified daily quests.
The lore has been butchered to the point players are stopping playing due to this. Classes have been redesigned which also means people will either love or hate their class, it's a possibility that a lot of players will leave the game due to this.
Wow is dead, It'll die in the next 2 years when we get a 'new' expansion which hopefully we won't because it just keeps getting worse.
>>335395217
Wrath was the peak of way game play wise but community wise I would have to say burning crusade.
>>335406082
I liked both, but something about jousting as a regular guy was fun. It was a nice relief from DEMONS, UNDEAD, WAR. It was like playing a new class. Timeless was good, but running around zerging mobs got kind of old.
>>335406239
>peak gameplay wise
l o l
>welfare tier
>faceroll dungeons
>sit in city and queue
>babymode leveling
>babymode raiding
Wrath was shit
>>335406171
This, it's really looking like WoD 2.0 where there's about a month of stuff to do outside raids then that's it. Like anyone is going to do a world quest for a green pet battle stone or normal dungeon gear.
>>335406171
>Classes have been redesigned which also means people will either love or hate their class, it's a possibility that a lot of players will leave the game due to this.
This so much. Mages, all Shamans, Warriors, and possibly Hunters are all going to be pissed. Paladins got some good shit.
Rogues are hit or miss. You're going to hate rogue if you've mained one for a while. Might like it if you're new to rogue.
I liked warlords of draenor, thought it was fun.
>>335406171
The determining factor will be if Legion gets actual content updates.
>>335406859
Gotta love how fuckin shipyards was a wod "content" update
>>335406157
>That alone says more about him than a thousand words
guess what. his opinion on legacy servers still matters.
>>335406957
Shipyards came with Tanaan. The selfie camera was the bullshit content update.
>>335407040
nope, you're just desperate
>>335406239
>community
Vanilla
>epicness/raids
Burning Crusade
>polish/pvp
WOTLK
>>335407148
I never played during vanilla, but I hear this general thought alot
>>335395038
>Le firefall man
kek
>>335407148
reasonable
>make normal mode flex mode with varying group numbers and make it extremely easy
>still keep LFR in
>add a Premade group finder that works well
>still keep LFG in
There is almost no reason to keep LFR in at this point. It only exists so autismos don't have to talk to anyone to get their weekly Legendary ring drops
>>335407440
>going to /wowg/ past 2014
>>335407089
not an argument, try again
Are there any vanilla/BC servers that are worth a fuck left?
>>335407621
I presented my argument a long while ago and you just keep on insisting that you have Mark "who gives a fuck" Kern on your little bandwagon you'll win
Mark is a hack, deal with it
So how's mythic raiding compared to older raids?
>>335395904
>Kil'Jaedan
>low pop
The server I played on from 04-'12 is now dead, I don't know how I feel about this.
>>335395904
Are all these posts samefags? They increased server caps, over night all high realms went to medium or low and all medium became low. Stop pushing this shit narrative you desperate nostcucks
>>335407786
my argument that has yet to be refuted is right here: >>335405008
>>335407148
That perfectly summarizes my feeling on the best WoW era debate. Glad it's finally been settled.
1. The server-wide community efforts and world pvp was greatest in Vanilla.
2. Nothing beat the "epicness" of slamming through the Dark Portal for the first time with your entire server, and nothing since has come close to the weird vibes and atmosphere of Karazhan.
3. WoTLK finally polished a lot of things that had been in development forever, but didn't really blow my mind in any particular way. Greatest lore I guess, for directly tying into WC3 TFT.
>>335408324
So if who is doesn't matter why latch onto him? Fuck off bud
>>335407858
The hardest part of mythic raiding is finding 20 people on your server. Let alone 20 people that can move out of a blinking red circle under their feet.
>>335408751
>>335408436
>So if who is doesn't matter
when did i say this?
>why latch onto him?
he was on the dev team when the game was made
>>335408851
And I'm telling you he's a nobody and your faith in him is stupid. Deal with it
>hurr durr his opinion is still right
>>335408751
You can do mythic raids cross server so if you use things like open raid it's smooth sailing getting a group most of the time.
>>335408845
nice wowg memes, friend!
>>335408751
>have close 10man of friends for 3 expansions
>wod comes
>struggle to fill another 10
>everyone gets fed up with trying and quits the game
>grow distant with all but 2 of those friends
wod literally killed my friendships
>>335397930
>It's mainly Europeans and Chinks who play the game now.
South America too, probably. My brother plays retail despite my mild efforts to convince him not to, and he often complains about shitty Spanish speaking players. He might be confusing Portuguese and Spanish.
>>335408983
>Doing 10man instead of 25man
ebin
>>335408981
>you can pug and play with different randoms off your server who only want to take all the loot for themselves and leave at the first sign of difficulty every week
nice sounds like my kind of MMORPG
>>335409125
>babymode 25man
lol
>>335408751
>nostbabby thinks vanilla raiding is hard
what a joke
>>335409149
Well you find a group who aren't dicks and have a Master looter and just raiding with them from week to week, it's not that hard
>>335409250
I joined 2 months before TBC and never hit level cap until TK was out. All I ever heard was how difficult classic raids were, but yet I saw literally thousands of people clearing raids on nost ezpz, even people doing speedruns
>>335409250
Well isn't getting 40 people not to fuck up harder then getting 20 not to fuck up?
