Dark souls 3: Lore thread
>discuss ideas surrounding settings, characters and items
>discuss how lothric= dark souls1 setting
>discuss plot
>discuss boss lore
enjoy
firelink shrine = firelink shrine???
there is nothing to discuss, the lore is extremely shallow and vague, more than ever, there's no connections to be made and nobody even cares since the endings don't even close the series despite being the last game, it's a lost cause, let it go
>>334474243
Or you could post in one of the twelve DS3 threads that are already in the catalog. You could do that.
>>334474243
see >>334467374
we may hijack your thread when we run off
>>334474834
>since the endings don't even close the series despite being the last game
>DaS1: Yo, link the fire or let it die idc
>DaS2: Shit, idc what you do everything turns out the same anyway, it's an inevitability. Even at the last spark fire will always renew
>DaS3: Break this cycle, nigga. Usurp the throne and let the Age of Dark begin alas. FO REAL LEGIT THIS TIME THO
>>334474243
Can we have a Dark Souls story thread instead?Oh right, there is no story.
>>334478787
Read a book if you want an actual good story, because you won't find any in a video game.
Lore.
http://darksouls3.wiki.fextralife.com/Winged+Knight+Set
this video makes a pretty good case about the underlying themes of homoeroticism in dark souls 3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nz8KJYpRh28
FromSoft just has certain bits of ideas and concepts that they like, and they put them in all their shit. Sometimes they connect in ambiguous and contradictory ways, but that's it. Trying to find the world's lore like you're reading Tolkien's Silmarillion is a lost cause, because everything is just an excuse to have more eldritch abominations, trees, cathedrals, foggy forests, and old bearded men with witches for wives. FromSoft can make a fucking MLP game, it'll still have a huge stairway to a notre dame cathedral ripoff where the pony gods reside or some shit like that, because that's what the designers are into.
That's not a dig at the games, they're among my favorites. But there's less consistency in this lore than in the Zelda timeline, and I think that's how FromSoft likes it.
>>334479419
>those teeth
More like cock mangler.
Is the First Prince dead, exiled, potato, or an illusion?
THEORY
I think the fact you're unkindled and need the dark sigils applied to you suggests, to me at least, that you aren't human. I think ludleth created you as a vessel. You can't hollow because you have no humanity. Yohr is giving his humanity to you when he "draws out your potential", which is why he dies after.
your corpse may have been human once but ludleth scrapes it out like the inside of a pumpkin and makes his champion to solve this world ending shit
>>334479419
Stop viralling your shitty videos and stick to saying memes on twitter you embarrassingly unfunny autist.
Ha ha! Firelink Shrine is an illusion, you're not a human, Gwynevere is the Queen of Lothric and Kaathe is an Angel and Faraam is the Nameless King and Solaire is the Firstborn, but also lord of cinder.
I want to marry fire keeper
>>334480065
wat
He's as alive as Lothric is. He's pretty potato though.
>>334480079
Yoel dies because Yuria kills him or sends someone to kill him.
>letting vati steal your memes again
I hope you guys don't complain this time
If Lords of Cinder linked the fire at some point, how can Lothric possibly be Lord? He can't even stand on his feet.
>>334480183
How funny would it be if there was an unassuming NPC in the game who talked like this?
Just vomits lore at you like he has a very specific type of tourettes.
>>334480348
Did you ever consider the fact that maybe he had legs at one stage?
>>334480264
>Yoel dies because Yuria kills him or sends someone to kill him.
Yuria literally works with other pilgrims like the one she send after Anri
So there no reason to think that they weren't friends
>>334480264
Yuria never showed up in my playthrough and Yoel still died.
>>334480470
They should call him Vaati.
>>334480506
She literally tells you that she killed him.
>>334480470
seeing how from tries to undrmine your expectations in the gameplay, i'm won't be surprised if their next game will be full on solid lore with zero room for speculation.
>>334480531
Hence "or sends someone to kill him". Much like she sends someone to kill Anri.
>>334480489
He still has them, he just can't stand on them. Still that was said he was ill and weak since his birth.
Lothric was straight up built over Lordran.
The view from Anor Londo implies that the entire city was destroyed except for the cathedral, which was left because of the presence of Gwyndolin/Aldrich. The conversion to a tundra was already happening in Dark Souls, as you can see when you attack Gwynevere and find out the sun has already vanished.
Interestingly, the Profaned Capital seems to be in the same place as New Londo. The cave has a similar opening with sunlight filtering through, which was immediately noticeable on entering New Londo the first time.
Of course, Farron is Darkroot Garden, slowly converted first into a proving grounds for the Abyss Watchers and then slowly corrupted after their order fell.
Also Wolnir seems to have killed all but a handful of the demons of Izalith, going by his giant death worm, giant Avelyn, and piles of Taurus/Capra demon corpses in Smouldering Lake.
>>334480634
Should I kill yuria then?
WHY THE TIME AND PLACE ARE CONVOLUTED FUCK
>>334481109
It won't do anything. You need to kill her assassin to save Anri.
Why is the player character killing other Lords of Cinder, while they dont try to kill other Lords?
Why do the other Lords resist, when they linked the flame in the past? Gone mad/hollow?
And what "generation" of Lord of Cinder is the PC?
>>334483045
>Gone mad/hollow?
Yes, Yhorm literally asked Sig to kill him because they were aware that spending centuries burning in the fire isn't a very good thing for your mental health
>>334483045
>Why is the player character killing other Lords of Cinder, while they dont try to kill other Lords?
I'm not sure what you're asking
>tfw if you get a little earlier, you would been able to save Artorias
>>334483501
I think he's asking why the lords don't try to kill each other.
I imagine it's because you can only link the fire once so they have no reason to try and link the flame again because they can't possibly do it.
>>334483501
>intro says Lords of Cinder wake up when the bell tolls
>the 3 enemy LoCs are seen rising out of their graves
>after character creation, you can hear a bell ringing
>PC gets out of a grave that looks EXACTLY like the ones of the other LoC
Thats one of the most straightforward hints in DS lore ever, you play a LoC from the very beginning.
So: Why are you hunting down the others, and they just sit on their ass? I guess because you are the only one that isnt mad, but thats kinda boring.
>>334480559
No, she doesn't.
>Yhorm and Seigward were friends
>>334480470
They already had that character in scholar of the first sin.
More about abyss/deep
From the deacon robes
>In time, those dedicated to sealing away the horrors of the Deep succumbed to their very power. It seems that neither tending to the flame, nor the faith, could save them.
So even though they worship deep, they tried to seal it away?
And funny but both bosses who were turned into monsters by deep(Dancer and Vordt) are VERY weak to the dark magic. And neither of them look like Abyss creature
Vaati if you are here which you probably are, go fuck yourself you piece of shit stop stealing ideas from other anons and claim them as your own
Is Smouldering Lake Ash Lake, except now actually connected to Demon Ruins/Lost Izalith?
>>334484197
>Neither of them look like Abyss creatures
What? They have passing resemblances to Artorias.
>>334484396
no, it's detroit
>>334474689
FUCK YOU VAATI
>>334484197
>And neither of them look like Abyss creature
Well they are wearing armor, they're probably pretty terrifying underneath. You can also sorta see the Dancer's face in her intro, she has a bit of a hollowed face.
>>334474689
But what about true firelink shrine?
>>334483801
>I guess because you are the only one that isnt mad
What if you're the only one who is mad?
So was the darkmoon lady like a decedent of pricillia's? She had a tail like pricillia but also kinda looked like gywndolin.
Do you think they planed on having you walking on the Distorted Kiln world with some fucked up gravity, but they scraped that up cause time/failure?
Why do you start at firelink walk for 2 seconds then teleport again only to walk for more 2 seconds... Maybe they wanted you to walk from firelink up to the Cinder
What the actual fuck is this thing? It doesn't seem to be hostile but I don't like the way it's looking at me.
Is 'unleashing your power' from yoel affect the ending?
>>334485124
kill it
>>334485124
I havent seen it yet but if its just kinda chilling there it may be similar to the bug in ds2. The one that cures poisons. Try going near it with some type of ailment.
>>334484797
>Well they are wearing armor
In dancer case it's part of her body
>The black eyes of the Pontiff eventually transformed the Dancer into a beastly creature, her gauntlets fusing with her own hide.
But yeah, looks like my mistake. It wasn't deep but just magic rings that transformed them
>>334485221
Hell no. Not killing something that isn't a threat. It can stay ugly and in that cell.
>>334474243
Are we that desperate to make a video, Vaati?
>>334485168
If you follow that questline to the end yeah. if you dont than it doesn't do shit.
>>334485124
you'll see later in that place
I just got The end of Fire Ending
Did I do gud lore friends?
>DS2 makes some vague references to DS1 at times
>"WOOOOW, fucking hacks"
>DS3 has constant and blatant DS1 fanwankery directly showed down your throat
>"This is so fucking good and deep, Miyazaki does it again!"
>>334485124
>>334485273
>>334485403
As said, his kin are later enemies who actively attack you. Maybe it is just that this one is chained to the wall and can't move.
>>334485124
This one isn't an enemy
Others are, and very annoying with their dagger fast attack
>>334485484
I like the game but I agree, they went way the fuck overboard.
It would be okay if they put all those references to use by giving us NEW info, but instead they just regurgitate the things we already knew.
>>334484835
there is the firelink shrine, the dark firelink shrine in the untended graves section, and the endgame firelink shrine
>>334485425
No, because the Age of Dark sucks balls. You fell for the Darkwraith meme.
>mfw I just fought the Nameless King
>mfw I read his descriptions
>mfw his appearence
>mfw he'sGwyn's Firstborn
I don't even understand how DS2 fits into this at all
There's a few areas in that game that seemed literally DS1 places but.. aren't, I guess? It's always referred to as some other country in DS3
>>334485124
There are others and they are hostile. These masters of Jewish trickery set me up to think they were peaceful then sent another to stab me with a blue knife. I'm going back there to bash that fucker's face in.
>>334485689
It's just Dark Souls 1-2.
The only clear reference i have seen to 2 is a Giant tree.
>>334485724
Safe bashing friendo
>>334485689
DS2 has small referances but its kinda like the bastard son of the series.
>>334485484
DaS2 is supposed to be in a super distant future where everything has been forgotten and countless empires have rose and fell
>Praise the sun, solaire was cool right? Orstein just because. All these bosses are reincarnation haha.
DaS 3 is supposed to be in a fucked up world where the past and future merge and everything comes together.
It makes much more sense to have throwbacks in this. In Darks Sousl 2 it made literally no sense other then pandering.
Now I'm not saying that DaS3 doesn't have it's good share of pander, but it does a better job at making it work.
>>334485689
Dark Souls 2 is literally filer. Since it's in the middle of the cycle nothing really mattered
>>334485854
>The only clear reference i have seen to 2 is a Giant tree.
Did you seriously just overlooked Nashandra's painting on the wall?
>>334485372
fuck
>get first upgrade from him
>oh shit, it's the dark sign, better heal it right the fuck now
>he dies next time i get to the shrine
>find out i've missed on a huge plot line
ugh
So, let me see if I've got this right...
>Chosen Undead rolls through Lordran and goes all murderhobo on the gods or whatever
>kindling the last flame is canon?
>in the extended age, new dudes take up residence in Lordan to become the new gods and basically rebuild everything to suit their needs
>one of the new guys is a fucking cannibal, digs up all the dead gods CU killed, and eats them
>becomes a giant worm thing
>some dude says enough is enough
>commissions the Unkindled to fuck everybody's shit so the dark age can finally come and restore balance
Is that about right?
>>334485901
>DaS 3 is supposed to be in a fucked up world where the past and future merge and everything comes together.
Except the game doesn't do a good job of expressing it and in fact it's mostly player inferrence and headcanon.
It's just as bad with the pandering as Dark Souls 2, you're just trying harder to justify it.
>>334486024
i never even got a free level from him because i was going to save it for later
>>334486157
It's extremely unlikely Lothran came immediately after Lordran. Lothran is probably the 50th kingdom or something to rise on that spot.
>>334485854
There's 2 Drang NPCs in londo for some reason, a complete Drangleic set in the sunken church and also one of the Oolacile twins' armor is floating around for some reason. Somehow, DS2 went back in time like 5000 years to the point just before Lordran turned to dust.
Though in DS1 they do say that time there is fucked and it bends all over the place chaotically.
>>334485854
What about Karla being the child of darkness
Just like Nash and her sisters?
>>334485425
literally dooming everything to not even exist anymore in the future
what the fuck where you thinking??
>>334486408
I stopped the dumb cycle...
I guess I did right them.
>>334486179
It's literally in the intro
>Where the transitory lands of the Lords of Cinder converge.
>In venturing north the pilgrims discover the truth of the old words.
Anyone else think this is the best hub since the nexus?
There's no lore in dark souls series. Just generic dark medieval fantasy theme with slash and roll gameplay.
>>334486636
>copypaste of nexus layout
>dark firelink maiden has wax on her eyes
they really had me going for a while that DaS is Des prequel
>>334474243
>before DaS III release every souls thread was "Hurr Durr muh deep story"
>this thread now
After all these years I should really learn when to discuss things on /v/.
Anyway, please tell me another timeAldritch isn't Chosen Undead
>>334486523
>Where the transitory lands of the Lords of Cinder converge.
This in itself is extremely vague and could just mean geographically.
>In venturing north the pilgrims discover the truth of the old words.
Doesn't imply that the old worlds are resurging in a weird time warp.
And even if they did clearly send that message, which they don't, two solitary lines is not enough to establish such a significant part of the plot. It should be getting referenced constantly.
>>334486898
No, he's not. Common theory but you realize it's baseless further into the game.
>>334486898
Soul of Cinder exists, therefor Aldrich isn't Cheesy Undude
>>334486790
It's called a reference
There's a dead firekeeper in the back tower with wax on her eyes
>>334480886
It would be interesting if someone compared the maps for Dark Souls 1 and 3 using Anor Londo as a reference point and seeing if any areas match up.
>>334485684
So, Faraam was Gwyn's firstborn?
Theory: The unkindled are the opposite to the hollows.
They are the humanity that was sacrificed to the flame, to kindle the fire. Humanity fed to the flame return when they are needed to save the age of fire as the unkindled.
>>334487197
Why Faraam?
Someone was asking in a previous thread.
Ocelotte was Oceiros's daughter.
>The Queen of Lothric, married to the former King Oceiros, was initially revered as a goddess of fertility and bounty. After giving birth to Ocelotte, her youngest, she quietly disappeared.
Don't know what happened to her, she most likely died and Oceiros is just screaming that stuff about being a daughter of dragons out of his delusions that he's a dragon himself
>>334487236
Faraam armor
'This armor was named after a forgotten God of War'
>>334474689
no, otherwise you'd see it from anor londo. pretty sure it's just a general name for the shrine where the linking of the fire ritual thing starts.
So did the Way of the White get taken over/corrupted by the Cathedral of the Deep or something? That's the vibe I'm getting from the deacon robes descriptions.
I guess after Aldrich ate the gods, they decided to worship him then?
>>334487236
>Nameless king is described as an ancient god of war.
>Faraam's set was named after an ancient god of war
Kinda fits really well together.
>>334487286
Then it's probably it. I mean, theNameless King is undeniably Gwyn's Firstborn. They weren't even trying to be subtle about it.
Whether his name is Faraam is debatable since it's supposedly lost to history.
>>334487306
>otherwise you'd see it from anor londo
hol up. are you telling me that you can see firelink from AL in DS1? I don't remember that, thought that place plus Duke's were like "instanced" because you had to fly there after the Sens fortress boss.
Haven't been keeping up with lore discussion. Do you actually kill Ornstein in DaS2 was that yet again somebody else?
Why are Lorian's and Lothric's souls linked together?
>>334480264
Wrong.
So if Faram/Nameless King was Gwyn's firstborn, then who was Solaire.
>>334487597
Some dude from Astora.
>>334485854
LadderBro Gilligan's corpse is in the game.
>>334487597
Just some shmuck
I don't know why people find this hard to accept
>>334487597
some vaati fanboy.
>>334487597
A knight from Astora and a devout to Faraam.
But most importantlyhe was your friend.
>>334487597
A normal dude who liked the sun
>>334487597
Solaire
>>334487597
>>334487704
>>334487670
he's the guy who would have become the choosen undead if not for the sunlight maggot and you beating him to the punch
he can ever be summoned to fight the last boss
>>334487597
Just some normal dude who got swole as fuck and fought gods.
>>334487597
A really strong motherfucker
>>334487429
The people who wore Faraam armor were known as Lion Knights.
Ornstein, who is the Lion of the four knights, was the firstborn's First Knight.
The firstborn also kind of has a lion's mane type haircut.
>>334487804
>he didn't save him
>>334487516
Guys please I don't know this yet and I want to know it
>>334487874
every time, i open the shortcut,
kill all the maggots
talk to him every time
and his summon sign never appears
it's horseshit
>>334487804
So he's one of the many undead who try to link the flame and fail.
A shmuck
>>334487954
I'm almost certain it was him.
We have confirmation he was an illusion in DaS1, at least.
But some people are still in denial.
>>334487516
>>334487954
Hard to say. But it's definitely more real than the Ornstein you fight in DS1.
My guess is it's either Ornstein corrupted by the abyss (like Artorias was) or it's just his armor being animated by the abyss.
Or it could just be another illusion.
How have the Warriors of Sunlight survived so long?
Since it's Faraam/The Nameless King's covenant, will it disband since he's potentially dead now?
On the same topic, why does killing the Nameless King not break the covenant?
>>334487516
Ornstein and Sough were illusions created by Gwyndolyn in DaS1.
Whatever happened to the real Ornstein and Smough is kinda unknown.
The Old Dragonslayer is just kind of there. The old fart in the cathedral of blue doesn't mention him neither does anyone else in the game and the description of his soul and ring leave it really vague as to if the Old Dragonslayer is the actual Ornstein or if he is just a copycat/descendant of him.
Personally I think that the real Ornstein went on to train other knights to be dragonslayers just as he was and upon his death he handed down the leo ring to the most competent. This cycle of dragonslayers handing down the leo ring continued until DaS2 leaving us with the last dragonslayer who went hollow and took up resident in the blue cathedral for whatever reason.
Unless something is DaS3 completely destroys this theory, of course. I have yet to play the game.
>>334485684
my face was similar; made that bullshit fight worth it
>>334486297
I noticed she said that too but all the other fragments sought out a King. She has the unkindled but you seek her. The others all embodied an aspect of humanity and she doesn't really strike me as an embodiment of anything. My guess would be she only means it in the sense that she's a student of the Dark. I'm fairly certain that "child" wasn't capitalized in the subtitles either.
>>334487197
oh shit good catch. not sure where they got the name from since it was supposedly expunged but it makes sense. could also just be some lost culture's god of war too though.
>>334487597
just a good guy trying to help people and find the sun I guess
>>334488183
>Since it's Faraam/The Nameless King's covenant, will it disband since he's potentially dead now?
you stupid fuck
the nameless king has nothing to do with the sun covenant and allied against his father with the dragons
if anything, he is of the dragon covenant
>>334488157
Or it could just be literally fucking nothing because dark souls 2 doesn't have any actual afterthought behind it and they were just throwing him there for cheap shock values.
>>334488185
The real Ornstein fucked off to find Gwyn's firstborn, whereas it is stated that Smough "stayed behind" to guard the princess which could imply that you kill the real Smough, but not the real Ornstein.
>>334488307
As much as you might not like Dark Souls 2, it's still canon.
So
The maiden at second firelink says something implying a previous undead doing shit, who was she?
>>334488287
http://darksouls.wikidot.com/warrior-of-sunlight
>The Warriors of Sunlight are the followers of the firstborn of the Great Lord Gwyn. They harness the power of sunlight, manifested as lightning powers.
>>334488185
I think DaS 3 supports that theory further
Ornstein went to search Gwyn's firstborn
>>334488389
And as much as you want to try to take it seriously, it's just a rushed game ruined by Namco.
>>334488287
Nigger Dark Souls 1 clearly states that the Warriors of Sunlight are the servants of the firstborn of Gwyn.
>>334488157
>in all three games you never actually see Ornstein
If Old Dragonslayer in DaS2 was an illusion, he wouldn't be corrupted by the abyss. That would be heretical of whoever was making the illusion and would never be allowed.
It's the real Ornstein.
Maybe he set off to find Faraam, but found out about Artorias' fate instead and went down to kick some abyssal shit in, only to get fucked up.
>>334488287
Lightning is literally associated with the sun in the games
>>334488536
>>334488443
They're servants of Gwyn.
Not Gwyn's firstborn.
They're a SUN covenant, not a WAR covenant.
>retards
>>334487570
Because they're twins.
>>334485854
There are a lot of dark souls 2 references and items in the game.
The fallen knight set are the drakebloods after they disbanded, the old drakeblood set itself is also in the game.
Ladder guy is in the game, as a corpse.
There are items that directly reference Vendrick and his kingdom, like the shield of want and the dragonrider greatbow.
There are two drangleic knights outside of Anor Londo.
And probably other things.
>>334487516
>>334487954
I can't remember what item it is(maybe it was the leo ring) that says that Ornstein just left in search of his king, the Ornstein you fight in Dark Souls 1 is just an illusion.
It probably means, and i'm just assuming, that the Ornstein you fight in Dark Souls 2 is the real one.
In 3, you fight "The Dragonslayer armor" which resembles him, i don't remember the item descriptions for that though, but it's just an armor controlled by some flying tree monsters.
>>334488157
>>334488380
That makes no sense, since you get his soul when you kill him.
>>334488576
It might not be an illusion but it doesn't mean it's the real Ornstein
>>334488682
>Literally disregarding item descriptions and then calling other people retards
>>334487436
you can see the huge ass wall of anal rodeo which you get carried to the top of.
>>334488576
If that were true, why would Ornstein's armor, ring and weapon be found in Archdragon peak after killing Nameless King? Why would his armor be back to being Gold after it turned black in DaS2? Not to mention the Leo ring being restored after it was faded in DaS2
>>334488682
Are you just pretending to be retarded?
http://darksouls.wikidot.com/sunlight-medal
>The symbol represents Lord Gwyn's firstborn,
who lost his deity status and was expunged
from the annals. But the old God of War
still watches closely over his warriors.
The item description literally confirms it, along with other things.
>>334488694
Not if you kill Smough last, which appears to be the "canon" result of the battle.
>>334488786
Show me the item description that says they were followers of the firstborn.
They're followers of Gwyn and the sun. Always have been.
>>334488380
If we assume that Faraam is Gwyn's firstborn based on armor descriptions, and with the Faraam set being in Drangleic, I think it could be assumed that Ornstein followed the Faraam knights around until he hollowed in Drangleic.
The smough you fight being the real smough with the Ornstein being fake also helps to paint Smough's murder of Ornstein if you "kill" Ornstein first in a bit of a better light considering that Ornstein was only an illusion, which Smough probably knew.
>>334488453
If so, then I guess we'll never know if The Old Dragonslayeer was really Ornstein or not.
>>334488157
>>334488154
>>334488576
But why is Ornstein's armor at Nameless King's place? It says that he went to go find Gwyn's firstborn, which he must've done considering that you find HIS armor at Archdragon Peak. This either implies that Nameless King either killed him or Ornstein just dumped his armor on the ground and fucked off.
>>334488710
You only get the soul of the person you kill last. Sorry Smough.
>>334474243
I have no idea how they can make the serpents so obviously important characters to the lore but then just drop em. I hope DLC gives some more insight.
maybe they just want to leave them as kind of the religious allegory of serpents who try to pull the good guy in shitty directions for their own ends.
>>334488880
How does it appear to be the canon result exactly? You know, outside of it being convenient to your theory.
>>334488834
Ah, I must have forgotten that or never seen it. I take it back then.
Although that made a looot more sense back when we thought Solaire was the firstborn. I highly doubt this dragon rights activist is gonna care what this covenant is doing.
>>334488884
http://darksouls.wikidot.com/sunlight-medal
>>334488942
Considering you fight his armor, it's more likely that he just left it and fucked off.
You shouldn't be so literal with these things, you get his armor as a thing you can wear because it's a popular set from dark souls 1 and people complained that it wasn't in dark souls 2.
Is there any connection between the shells on the pilgrims and the cloth bump the starter cleric wears?
>>334487570
Cause they are lovers
>>334488942
If that was intended to be Ornstein's corpse, they would have made a much bigger deal out of it.
I've said this a thousand times, but you always find armor sets on corpses in Souls games and they are almost never the corpses of the actual owners of the armor.
>>334488453
What indicates he went to look for him other than his spear being up there? If that's the only evidence it's possible another warrior brought it there like someone brought Havel's stuff up there.
>>334488556
he's also the only one of Gwyn's Knights that you don't get to talk to if you count Artorias' cut dialogue.
>>334488694
Sentinels also give souls, and they're obviously illusions as they disappear once Anor Londo goes dark
>>334489025
Solaire was not ever meant to be the first-born at any stage.
The first-born was meant to be Andre but it got cut. Solaire's armour description in 1 even goes out of it's way to tell you he isn't some kind of god.
>>334489015
Because dark souls 3 literally says that Ornstein fucked off and that Smough was the last knight guarding the cathedral.
>>334489009
there are man serpents in the dragon's keep and the walls are covered in murals of the serpents
>>334489080
>Considering you fight his armor
that's not his armor
>>334488828
Maybe Ornstein had his own league of knights that resembled him?
>>334487985
Then you're doing something wrong.
Summoned Solaire tanks Gwyn like a motherfucking champ.
>>334489170
Where?
>>334488183
>implying he's actually dead
>thinking that the whole ordeal isn't in your head as you meditate on the ledge
>>334489080
>You shouldn't be so literal with these things, you get his armor as a thing you can wear because it's a popular set from dark souls 1 and people complained that it wasn't in dark souls 2.
This.
We get to wear Gough's armor in Dark Souls 1 and he's a literal fucking giant. With giant-sized armor.
>>334489149
>What indicates he went to look for him other than his spear being up there? If that's the only evidence it's possible another warrior brought it there like someone brought Havel's stuff up there.
An item description states it outright. 'Ornstein left in search of Gwyn's firstborn'
'Ornstein was the first knight of Gwyn's firstborn'
READ
THE
LORE
>>334489015
Because one of the items says that while Ornstein fucked off, Smough stayed behind to guard the princess. This could mean that the Smough you kill is the real deal.
Don't ask me for evidence
>>334489131
>>334489080
>>334489241
But there is no corpse, which is why I suggested that Ornstein gave up and just threw his armour away. Why would it say that he traveled to find the firstborn then dump his armour at Archdragon Peak if they didn't intend anything of it?
>>334488556
What a legend.
>>334489202
He did have his own league of knights. They were called the Dragonslayers. But they were silver knights in appearance.
That's why you have the Dragonslayer Bow wielding silver knights.
>>334487516
My thoughts
>DaS
Illusion
>Das2
Descendent or someone that carries on the legacy or whatever
>Das3
Sent by Gwyn to find firstborn to use as fuel for the flame, he says no, they fight, ornstein loses and that's whyour his armour is below the boss battle
>>334489314
What item is that cock cowboy?
>>334484197
I assume the sealing came before they worshipped the deep. We know the Way of White is what became the religion of the Cathedral, so that's an incredibly old religion to begin with, one whose gods and figures are all gone at this point. It's worth considering that a religion like that might turn to the very entity that devoured their gods, especially considering the resemblance.
>>334489354
Maybe Ornstein renounced his knighthood after seeing what had happened to Gwyn's firstborn?
As such, he discarded everything that had to do with his knighthood, including his armor.
>>334489354
>Why would it say that he traveled to find the firstborn then dump his armour at Archdragon Peak if they didn't intend anything of it?
Armor gets dumped in random places all the time.
You buy Artorias' armor in Dark Firelink. Why? because he went there? No, because Dark Firelink is vaguely related to the abyss and so is Artorias, so it's close enough.
If Ornstein went there and didn't die, you can bet your ass every fucking dragon in that entire area would be dead.
>>334489235
http://darksouls3.wiki.fextralife.com/Smough's+Great+Hammer
Apparently i can't find or remember where it says that Ornstein fucked off though, so whatever.
>>334486205
I figured it was stupid to take the free level immediately when SL costs were at ~4k if I could use it immediately prior to entering NG+ when a SL cost around ~200k or so.
>Punished for not being impulsive.
>>334485124
What in the fuck
That thing is unnerving as fuck
I haven't even played DS3 yet but I'm spooped
>>334489401
Perhaps the high ranking Knight's were given an armor that resembles Ornstein's but was different in color?
>>334489131
>but you always find armor sets on corpses in Souls games
These items are just dropped on the floor. There's no corpse by them since you find them scattered in 3 separate places on the bridge.
>>334489401
>>334489202
>>334489553
Soul of the Dragonslayer Armour. One of the twisted souls, steeped in strength.
Use to acquire many souls, or transpose to extract its true strength.
The Dragonslayer Armour, controlled by the Pilgrim Butterfly, lost its master long ago, but still remembers their sporting hunts.
>>334489553
It wasn't different in color, it was just faded due to the abyss. I really don't think they would have given one of Ornstein's underlings a perfect replica of his armor set, which is very personalized.
You guys are putting too much thought into this Ornstein thing.
In the armored core series there's a boss called nine-ball that is emblematic of the series, a lot of armored core games don't take place in the same universe and yet he keeps showing up.
Ornstein is that 9-ball of the souls series and chances are high that he'll keep showing up in some shape or form.
>>334484197
>>334489471
Forgot to mention, we don't really know enough about the Dancer/Vordt/Sulyvahn to make any specific decisions about whether or not to consider them Abyss/Deep creatures; Sulyvahn is associated with the corrupted Way of White, and thus Aldrich, but it's unclear the method by which the Eyes of the Pontiff turn them into monsters. We have to remember this world has a lot of ways to turn men into beasts, so let's not jump to conclusions.
>>334489627
Meaning?
>>334489627
Ah, so Ornstein did have knights that resembled him?
That description could be pertaining top two things:
>The armor lost it's wielder and remember hunting dragons with it's owner
or
>The Dragonslayer lost his master but still remembers their hunt together
I think From is leaving Ornstein's status as alive or dead completely up in the air.
>>334489752
Gold doesn't fade to grey, and besides, where was any abyss near where you find him, in the blue cathedral?
>>334489769
I think Sulyvan is just a massive dick, i mean, he literally threw Gwyndolin into the room with Aldrich so he was devoured. That's like throwing a kid to the lions.
Did the abyss watchers all link the fire at the same time?
Why is there a portrait of Nashandra in the same room where there is a portrait of Gwynevere with the Silver Knights?
Why is becoming the king of Londor important? What is Londor?
What is an unkindled? Why can't they normally hollow?
Oh and finally, Yhorm is the guy who showed up in Drangleic after the Bearer of the Curse fucked off at the end of DaS2. He found no foes at the throne of want because Nashandra was already dead and your character left after realizing the futility of becoming king
>>334489510
Armor gets dumped in random places, but the item description for Ornstein's armour specifically mention that Ornstein went to look for Faraam (which I guess is what we're calling Nameless King now.)
I don't think there's any sense in believing that the devs just dumped the armour at Archdragon Peak and then gave a fitting story as to why it should even be there in the first place. It's not a "random place" when the item descriptions give it a lore-related reason for belonging there.
>>334489756
That's Patches, not Ornstein.
>>334474689
nah I'm thinking it is the old location of the kiln of thefirst flame.
>>334480168
this
>>334489875
Nah, he just threw the japanese ladyboy to the tentacle beast. It was his fetish
>>334485124
From the descriptions of the weapons they drop, it looks like they're failed dragon/human hybrids. Between them and the praying mat with the dragon acolytes, it seems there was a pretty high interest in pursuing the path of the dragon in Irithyll's dungeon at the very least.
The Rock says know your lore and SHUT YOUR DAMN MOUTH!
>>334489875
I felt really bad for what happened to Gwyndolin. I really wanted to meet him in this game. Such a lowly way for a god to die.
>>334489885
What happened to the bearer of the curse after DaS2?
Is there anything in DaS3 that relates to him?
>>334489853
>Gold doesn't fade to grey, and besides, where was any abyss near where you find him, in the blue cathedral?
Mate, he fucking has abyssal attacks. He was corrupted by the abyss and his armor got fucked up. Same as Artorias.
>The Dragonslayer lost his master but still remembers their hunt together
The phrasing very clearly means the armor lost its wielder, not the dragonslayer himself.
The fact that there is the Dragonslayer Armor in Dark Souls 3 does not mean he had knights that resembled it. It could mean that is his literally his armor and its master, Ornstein, is gone now.
>>334490016
Dragon cock?
>>334489918
No, Patches like the moonlight sword is in more than one series, Patches is also in demon's souls and bloodborne.
>>334490052
Good question, there's nothing that relates to him
>>334489875
Oh he definitely is, we have plenty of evidence to make that case. It's possible he was the cause of the shift from Way of White to worship of Aldrich.
>>334488227
Kill her and get ash
>The spurned child of the Abyss never dies, but phases in and out of its fringes. Only, there is no one to search for her any longer.
Hopes for dlc?
More time travel, maybe 4 Knights
More lord of hallows stuff
>>334490056
If Ornstein was corrupted before DaS2, how did he still have the will to search for the firstborn before DaS3?
>>334490035
Agreed, I got kind of triggered by it. Couldn't stop envisioning Gwyndolin being reduced to a screaming, begging mess as he was eaten.
I think I'm sensitive about high and mighty figures being defiled in grotesque or base ways. I seriously felt sick and got so fucking mad.
>>334490114
>>334490052
Well, either he is DLC or he is high king skeleton wolnir or whatever his name is.
Pick your poison.
psssh, nuthin personell lady
>>334490214
Why would he be Wolnir?
What evidence is there for that?
>>334490196
Ornstein left to find Faraam before the Ornstein and Smough boss fight. That leaves plenty of time for him to get sidetracked and end up getting corrupted by the abyss before Dark Souls 2.
>>334480886
So why aren't the areas all interconnected anymore?!?!?
>>334489009
>I have no idea how they can make the serpents so obviously important characters to the lore but then just drop e
They served their purporse
They want age of darkness and Yuria their servant, what else do you need?
>>334490207
I pretty much killed Aldrich with a sense of revenge due to it. Nigga you just don't kill iconic dark souls 1 characters like that or I'm gonna fuck your shit up.
>>334490291
But how does his armor end up in two places?
>>334490262
http://darksouls3.wiki.fextralife.com/Wolnir's+Crown
>Crown of Wolnir, the Carthus conqueror.
>Once upon a time, such things were bequeathed judiciously to each of the rightful lords, until Wolnir brought them to their knees, and ground their crowns to dust. Then the crowns became one
Remember the crown dlcs?
>>334488485
Doesn't make it any less canon
So who was this guy before Navlaan/the sentient sorcery that calls itself Navlaan took over his body?
Was it Aldia? I know Aldia is a giant flaming tree head but that's just his soul, not his body.
Was it Olenford?
Some unnamed sorcerer?
Why is his skin blue? Is he a fenito?
>>334487436
no, in DAS1 you only see the wall from anor londo, but you can actually see sens fortress from the top of the wall (the demon bird things literally just carry you up a couple hundred meters from sens fortress), and we know firelink shrine isn't very far from sens fortress geographically. you would be able to see it (or at least the undead burg) if the wall wasn't there.
in anor londo, however, there isn't even anything remotely in the same location. the dukes archives location was well preserved, as you find out later in the game, lothric was basically built on top of it. the other side, where sens fortress and everything was there is literally nothing for some reason. no other towns, no rubble, just the icy mountains that rose up from there in the meantime somehow.
so the original firelink shrine is definitely gone.
>>334490207
>>334490315he also ate nitoand maybe priscilla
>>334490325
I don't know, how can I fight Artorias while dressed as Artorias?
Could it be that the in-game wearable armor sets shouldn't be taken too seriously from a lore perspective?
Could it be that Gough's armor would never actually fit me, but does anyway because From knows I want to dress as my favorite characters?
>>334490409
WUT
which items say this?
>>334490193
It's going to be something related to the primordial serpents I bet
>>334490340
Actually, yeah, I remember reading this and thinking the same. I'd forgotten about it since.
I don't know though, it seems to be referring to Carthus specifically. We should find a picture of Wolnir and compare it to the DLC crown.
>>334490418
Could it be that the Old Dragonslayer wasn't Ornstein, but was just a knight who resembled him and was so honored to have been given the leo ring?
>>334488078
Miyazaki confirms he succeeds in his own world. He's a player, just like you.
God damn this Ornstein shit is confusing as hell.
>>334490409
He didn't eat Nito. Chosen Undead killed Nito and took his soul and used it to link the fire. There's literally nothing to eat after that.
Was the Ornstein guarding the princess an illusion? It said he went after his Master and died trying to bring him back, and on Smough armor it say that he was the last knight standing guard over anor londo
>>334490340
Would that make the Pilgrims of Dark the canon covenant then?
>>334490315
I'm glad to know I'm not the only one who had a visceral reaction to it. I actually spent a few days killing Aldrich Faithful to avenge Gwyndolin, and I wasn't even a Darkmoonfag to begin with. Stay strong, anon.
>>334490409
>>334490453
Ignore the shit about him eating Nito, it gets brought up and debunked every single thread but people keep saying it anyway.
And he dreamt of the Darkmoon covenant girl, not Priscilla.
>>334490409
He didn't
No evidence about Nito at all(and CU killed him anyway)
He dreamt and jerked off on the Priscilla and made miracle because of it
If he ate her, then he would use real deal and not just imitation
Wouldn't Lothric just be a seperate section of Londor or whatever from the first game?
>>334490453
Well in the case of Nito no item says that, but he is using the gravelord sword at the top of his spear and his theme also incorporates nito's theme just like it incorporates Gwyndolin's, not to mention his body has dangling skeletons just like nito's.
In the case of Priscilla, you get the lifehunt scythe miracle from Aldrich's soul, and the descriptions says:
http://darksouls3.wiki.fextralife.com/Lifehunt+Scythe
>Aldrich dreamt as he slowly devoured the God of the Darkmoon. In this dream, he perceived the form of a young, pale girl in hiding.
So it doesn't say he ate her, but you know, it's theoretically possible that he went after her too.
>>334490186
neat guess she is a Shard of Manus seems strange to have something so big in there so casually
>>334490035
yeah I feel like one of the DLC should elaborate on how one eats a God
>>334490562
Christ, we're going in circles. We need some kind of lore bulletin board so we don't end up going over the same shit over and over.
>>334490621
Anor Londo is on the Boreal Valley, the Boreal valley isn't that close to Lothric.
>>334490562
It never said that he died, just that he went looking for the firstborn.
>>334490626
>Aldrich dreamt as he slowly devoured the God of the Darkmoon. In this dream, he perceived the form of a young, pale girl in hiding.
it's yorshka
IT'S
Y O R S H K A
>>334480079
you can't be human
they cover your entire head in wax which would make it impossible to breath in the new duke's archives.
>>334487174
the city of lothric was built just over dukes archives, it's pretty obvious when you see it from anor londo (or when you get to a certain area at the end of the game). however I have no idea what that building in between the boreal valley and lothric is supposed to be that you can see from anor londo.
where there used to be sens fortress and undead burg, theres just literally nothing. at least not visible from anor londo
>>334490674
Well, Aldrich literally, physically ate them. As in, he bit them, chewed them, swallowed them, and slowly digested them.
>>334490813
>Scythe that steal life
>Yorska
>>334484197
>inb4 lovecraftian 'terror of the deep' expansion that connects bloodborne with the souls universe
>>334490813
Yorshka doesn't have a lifehunt scythe.
>>334490864
Poor Gwyndolin
:_:
SO HERE'S A FUCKING THOUGHT
When we see Aldrich emerging from his grave in the opening cinematic, he doesn't have Gwyndolin in his mouth.
Meaning Gwyndolin got eaten literally around the same time as we were playing through the tutorial area, since the Lords and Unkindled wake up together.We could have saved him if we were just a little faster.
>>334485484
also has lots of DeS references in terms of gameplay and level structure.
The hell do I go after abyss watchers and deacons?
Cleared up some side stuff like the fire link tower and found rosaries bed chamber but not sure if I've missed something
>>334490838
>the city of lothric was built just over dukes archives
Everyone keeps saying that but i don't think it's quite right, i think the Duke's archives would be at the foot of the high wall of Lothric. I mean, in Dark Souls 3, if you could walk from Anor Londo to Lothric castle it would take you a long long time, but in Dark Souls walking from the cathedral to Duke's Archives takes no time at all.
>>334486636
firelink shrine will always be my favorite hub. it was just a perfect contrast to the mostly dark and dangerous world you went through the rest of the game. warm lighting, light hearted music and everything!
>>334490959
>>334490940
Yorshka is pretty clearly Priscilla's descendent so it's not out of the question that we could get that from her.
Gwyn's firstborn has sunlight spears, after all.
>>334491029
DLC where you save Gwyndolin when?
Who is the other person that fled Aldrich's clutches besides Horace?
>>334491038
Have you been to the Catacombs?
>>334491038
Touch the altar in the abyss watcher room.
>>334490591
that would be rad since darkdiver grandall is dank as shit
>Aldrich, Devourer of Gods
>ate a single God
>that God was a sissy lala boy
>>334491106
Solaire is Faraam's son confirmed.
>Their armor even looks kind of maybe similar
Jesus, Hawkwood is strong as fuck, probably the strongest "crestfallen" character in the series. Did he beat nameless king to get the twinkling dragon stone
>>334490864
Yeah I get that, but finding, capturing, and subduing a god to do that seems like something worth elaborating on. Especially the Pontiff's role in it.
>>334491029
>>334491107
I am pretty sure it's flat out said in some item description that Sullyvan imprisoned him in the cathedral, which would explain all the deacons standing guard outside of his door.
So yeah, i'm pretty sure it was fairly recent.
>>334490207
So was anyone else eaten by Aldrich? Did he hunt down the other gods after they left Anal Rodeo? Gwynevere and her husband?
>>334490742
Maybe next thread the first post should detail all the questions that have been answered/unanswered
Let's to answer these questions:
>>334489885
>>334489885
>>334489885
>>334491270
Aldritch consumed the remains of Nito, I think.
But Nito was already killed so it's not like that maters much.
He also maybe, kind of, consumed Priscilla.
>>334491243
He is a lord of cinder, you find and subdue like 5 gods in dark souls 1. I don't see why it would be any harder or different for Aldrich.
>>334486157
Either ending of DaS1 leads to this according to DaS2. Other than that you're pretty much right, though there's speculation that Aldrich is actually the Chosen Undead given that he's the one that took their souls. I also don't think the Unkindled is meant to plunge the world into darkness; most NPCs associated with "Fire" and thus whatever brought you back seem to want you to link all the fires.
So the Soul of Cinder is basically Gwyn mixed with multiple Chosen Undeads, right?
>>334491270
Gwynevere is possible, since she was very clearly Queen of Lothric and was said to have disappeared without a trace. Possibly inside a dude's belly.
Priscilla is possible but very controversial.
Flann, maybe.
Ocelotte?
Uhh, Velka?
Fina?
>>334491443
Soul of the Cinder is basically all the CU. It appears as Gwyn probably because he was the strongest CU when he linked the flame.
>>334491270
I'm pretty sure that the implication is that Aldrich ate a lot of Gods, especially with the thing about dreaming of the ocean, i think it's implied he even left this land and just went around the world eating gods.
But anyone we know besides Gwyndolin? We don't know, maybe Priscilla, maybe Nito, but it's not outright stated anywhere. The only confirmed known kill is Gwyndolin.
>>334489885
Abyss watchers didn't link shit
The princes pussied out of their duty from linking the fire
Aldritch got name Lord of Cinder because he was powerful, so he didn't link anything either
Not sure about Ludleth and Yhorm
Where do I get Yuria the Witch's set from Demon's Souls? I want that shit so bad.
Also where isArtoria's Set? I see that shit everywhere.
Jesus fucking christ.
Let's get this out of the way once and for all.
>ALDRICH'S STOMACH TIER LIST
DIGESTING TIER
>Gwyndolin
SCHRODINGER'S VORE TIER
>Priscilla
>Gwynevere
>Several unnamed Gods
STOP POSTING TIER
>Nito
>Witch of Izalith
>Gwyn
>>334491378
good point
>>334491391
>Aldrich is actually the Chosen Undead given that he's the one that took their souls
how horrifying
>>334491169
Ah thanks, must have fast traveled out, explored elsewhere and forgot about that...
Can't handle all these forks in the road, should start writing notes down
Why people even think that Aldrith ate priscilla?
>>334491620
Once you free her from Irithyll Dungeon, you'll be able to buy her set from the shrine maiden.
>>334491696
How did Aldrich consume beings that you already killed. Or is this some type of parallel world thing again.
>>334491765
Do I need to be a female character then? Fuck. Transgenderism here we go.
>>334491620
>Yuria the Witch's
There's a Yuria in this game, but I don't think she has the set you want.
There's another qt that sells dark magic/pyromancy, I think she has the set. So find her in the Dungeon, and kill her.
The Artotias set is in a optional area after Dancer, Ocelot and the Champion.
>>334491552
Did Aldritch eat the Bearer of the Curse?
Ancient Dragon?
Everlasting Dragon?
Ornstein?
Solaire?Aldia?
If he didn't eat Aldia then where the fuck is he in Dark Souls 3? He's basically one of the most powerful beings lore-wise, and he found immortality without rekindling the flame.
>>334491793
Priscilla's death is non canon, and the ones under STOP POSTING tier means that you should stop posting about it because there's no way that Aldrich could've eaten them.
>>334491226
He didnt become part of abyss watcher for giggle and shit anon. He's the best crestfallen we got in souls series.
>>334491793
Optional bosses, so the CU didn't necessarily kill them.
>>334491856
>Solaire
>God
This was already debunked, fuck off
>>334489885
>Did the abyss watchers all link the fire at the same time?
From what i understand, the Abyss watcher share the "wolf blood soul", so kinda like how Gwyn split his soul among his allies, the Abyss watchers split their "cinder soul" among the members of the legion, that is why in the second phase you see the blood from all the corpses come out and join in one body and that's when he gets all cindery. So, the answer is "yes, sort of"
>Why is there a portrait of Nashandra in the same room where there is a portrait of Gwynevere with the Silver Knights?
Honestly i think From is too lazy to actually make "paintings" so they just reuse concept art, you can probably headcanon some reason like Sullivan being a Nashandra fan since he imprisoned Aldrich just like Nashandra wanted to imprison Vendrick, or kill him, or something.
>What is an unkindled? Why can't they normally hollow?
You do hollow though, the more you die the more you hollow, which was the lore in every souls games, it just wasn't represented well since you hollowed all at once when you died, when in the lore it always said that it was a gradual thing. This game represents it better.
>>334491793
Gwyndolin and Pricilla were optional. So maybe it's not "canon". Or you could throw the convoluted meme.
>>334486157
Wrong
You must understand the cycle and how it works
Basically it doesn't matter what the CU did, because even if he refused to link the fire eventually somebody else would have shown up and done it.
Every time the fire is linked the curse disappears for a while and people stop turning hollow, new kingdoms arise and everything is good. But then eventually the fire starts fading again and the curse returns, causing everything to go to shit. This until a brave hero shows up and links the fire again, becoming a Lord of Cinder.
As you can see there many Lords of Cinder meaning that this shit has repeated itself for god knows how many times.
This is why DaS2 had a ''lol fuck all of this'' ending, your character in that game realized that the world is doomed to an endless cycle and whatever he chooses to do with the fire has no real impact.
But DaS3 is the change that nobody saw coming, a cycle where there no brave hero is showing up to link the fire for the 10000th time. Because of this some entity out of desperation decided to resurrect five of the mightiest Lords of Cinder who already rekindled the flame once. This is the premise of the game pretty much
And while in DaS1 and DaS2 there was still plenty of time before the fire faded away completely, in DaS3 instead there isn't much time left. You can see this by the sky turning orange, a sign of the imminent end of fire.
>>334491914
Solaire canonically linked the flame in his universe.
I know he wasn't a god beforehand, but that probably made him one.
>>334491856
please stop accounting any and all character's absences to aldrich
it is dangerously close to becoming a meme
>and he found immortality
everyone's immortal nigga it's fuckin dark souls
>>334490359
And how the fuck does he cast with his bare fucking hands?
>>334491696
I thought the chosen undead killed most of these, how can aldrich eat them
What if the player character doesn't go hollow after death in DSIII because of the Bearer of the Curse and Aldia's research?
>>334491913
>>334491931
Hard to imagine all the CU didn't kill them
>>334491585
Way to completely misunderstand the lore
ALL Lords of Cinder linked the fire, that is how you get the title
>>334491552
Nahr Alma is also a strong candidate for consumption.
>>334492000
But where is Aldia? He was super fucking powerful.
You'd think a being like him would have SOME reference in the game.
Besides, I was just listing candidates. I wasn't implying that they were ALL eaten by Aldritch.
Hi Vaati
>Aldrith was insane cleric who worshipped "deep"
>Still linked the fire and saved the world from the "Age of Men"
Just imagine how upset edgelord worm was
>>334492015
How the fuck aren't you niggas getting this.
>Yes tier
>Maybe tier
>No tier
>>334491980
>some entity
Who is that, anyways?
How powerful would you need to be to summon all of those lords of cinder, and even give life to ash without a soul?
Shits fucked bro
>>334492015
Extreme power nigga.
Navlaan was basically a god, who Aldia locked away for being too powerful.Maybe Aldritch is Navlaan?
>>334492187
He was forced to link the fire though, somehow. Aldrich just wanted to eat.
>>334483801
>the pc is a lord of cinder
>the pc is the chosen undead
>>334492156
I dunno, I never played Scholar.
I don't think Aldia was very well-recieved though. Did he actually give us any new lore? We already knew the cycle was self-perpetuating and unavoidable.
>>334491837
Nah, you can totally buy it as a male. Go crossdress to your heart's content.
>>334492240
What if it was the first flame itself?
>>334492065
Literally from
http://darksouls3.wiki.fextralife.com/Soul+of+the+Twin+Princes
>The two princes rejected their duty to become Lords of Cinder, and settled down far, far away to watch the fire fade from a distance
>>334492240
Dark souls 2 mc was supposed to be pretty strong, or it could've been Aldia, or a primordial serpent. Or someone tripped over the bell and accidentally rung it.
>>334492265
Please tell me his spells secretly scale with str and he can cast fist.
>>334492271
>He was forced to link the fire though
Is it even possible?
>>334492265
STAHP
>>334492283
baby's first theory and deconfirmed later
>>334492295
The first flame has gone out before. It has never triggered this end game before.
>>334492187
No he didn't. Neither did the two brothers. They were candidates who failed or refused to fulfill their duty respectively. Aldrich was lured into the cathedral with delicious Gwyndolin and sealed in there by the Pontiff. Only Yhorm actually managed to link the Fire.
Think of it logically. If to become a Lord of Cinder, you have to kill all the Lords of Cinder, then how are there currently five?
>>334492295
Intredasting...
>>334492378
Yes but there's a difference here, in this case nobody was showing up and the flame was literally a few hours away from fading
>>334492378
Clearly it hasn't , that's why the cycle continues
>>334492061
2 guess.
1 is an unkindled isn't really alive like the old CU were. They were ash given life to be the vessel of souls.
Another is that unkindled are ex-CU that didn't want to link the flames so they became lords of darkness.
People said during the first three days that the game has no lore but look at us now. We found out about the three versions of Firelink Shrine, discovered that Ornstein found the Nameless King and then went AWOL, talked about Aldrich eating people, discovered the nature of the Soul of Cinder, found out that the serpents are still doing dicking about behind the scenes and found Nameless King's true name, all in the space of three threads.
I can't wait for Vaati to make a video about this! Seriously.
>>334492286
Aldia basically confirmed that both the Dark Lord endings and Fire-Linking endings were canon by insinuating that DaS2 takes place a few millennia after 1.
Aldia also discovered a way to undo the undead curse and become immortal without it, by testing the souls of giants, even recreated the ancient dragon with one.
The Bearer of the Curse can't even kill Aldia he is so strong, Aldia basically toyed with him until he decided that he would take the Bearer under his own wing if that was what the bearer wanted.
Aldia is one of the most powerful characters seemingly, being able to take on an ethereal form.
Perhaps he and the Bearer simply transcended the useless cycle of rebirth and became something greater then gods.
>>334492554
Is there a summary for all of these findings?
>>334492489
What? The other half of the cycle is the flame going out.
>>334492408
>Aldrich was lured into the cathedral with delicious Gwyndolin and sealed in there by the Pontiff.
Aldrich wasn't lured. Pontiff probably texted him like 'hey bro, got a tasty god in the basement, you down?'
Pretty sure descriptions mention they were friends of some sort.
>>334492378
Sure it's possibly gone out but there was always someone to link it eventually. In 3, either no one wants to or no one else can anymore.
>>334491696
I need an explination for the frills and gravelord blade before I stop posting about it desu
>>334492286
Aldia was all about the curse of hollowing, not about the cycle. As for new lore, the big lore point was that the hollow state is the natural state of humanity, which is why when we see humans in the dark souls 1 intro approach the flame they look like hollows.
Aldia claims that perpetuating the fire is just a lie and poses to you the question that even if the age of fire is an illusion if that makes it bad in any way, in the end you get the choice of sitting on the throne of want and becoming a monarch(which is in essence the same as both dark souls 1 endings rolled into one, you as a monarch get to decide if you link the fire or not), or, you can obtain the crowns and become immune to the curse, allowing you to simply say "fuck this" and leave.
The implication being that maybe the DaS2 dude went off to try and cure the curse, but obviously he failed, or he just fucked off.
>>334492376
Aldritch is everyone, everywhere.
Aldritch is everything and nothing at all.
>>334492367
That would be baller.
>>334492291
She's already in the firelink though and the woman is not selling the set
>>334492554
>discovered that Ornstein found the Nameless King and then went AWOL
you're doing this on purpose aren't you you little shit
>>334492646
But what do you do when your friend turns out to be an omnicidal god eating lunatic? Put that nigga in a padded room.
He even has a couch.
The fuck is the difference between a hollow and ashen ones?
>>334492618
That sounds like DLC material
>>334492554
>three versions of firelink
wut
I only found two
>>334492628
There will be, in the upcoming Vaati video.
>>334492729
All the pieces of the puzzle are there anon. What's there to be uncertain about?
>>334492680
Maybe he did cure the curse and became a hermit? Who knows, he's never referenced.
>>334492680
>Aldia was all about the curse of hollowing, not about the cycle. As for new lore, the big lore point was that the hollow state is the natural state of humanity, which is why when we see humans in the dark souls 1 intro approach the flame they look like hollows.
That was conclusively explained in the Dark Souls 1 DLC. We didn't need Aldia or even Dark Souls 2 for that at all.
I know because I had to fucking explain it to a bunch of lore casuals.
>>334492408
They were raised to do the job again
Maybe this 5 were the only ones who still had some consciousness
Brothers 100% did
Abyss watchers too, and they did it together because they decided that it will be unfair to make only 1 suffer
Yhorm linked the fire too, because Sig said so
So why Aldrith was the only one who didn't?
>>334492240
We'll probably know in the dlc
>>334492813
He means the version of Firelink before you enter the Kiln.
>>334492787
Pontiff is just as bad. Besides, it doesn't sound like Aldrich was a complete maniac to begin with, it sounds more like he was a calculating psychopath with freaky tastes.
>>334492886
>Brothers 100% did
The item description of their souls outright states that when the time came for them to link the fire, they refused and secluded themselves.
>>334492812
Yeah, I can see it now.
A DLC about a third ending in which the PC, with the help of Aldia and the Bearer, transcends humanity and become something more than a god.
That would be really cool, actually.
>>334492886
Lothric and Lorian didn't link the fire, they wanted it to go out.
>dlc arrives
>Smelter Demon first boss
>>334492862
Well yeah, Aldia just found a way to end the curse of hollowing.
>>334493057
Sounds fanficcy.
Dark Souls isn't about the player character cheating the system, it's about the player character being beaten by the system.
I'd much rather get some DLC on the origin of the Lord Souls or what started the first flame or time travelling back to the age of ancients.
>>334492408
>>334492646
>>334492886
Ok listen
There is like A HUNDRED of Lords, we only know about seven of them including Gwyn and the CU
>>334492965
>>334493089
Haven't you considered that maybe in the end they did even if it was against their wil?
Listen, there is no getting around this, to be a Lord of Cinder you must have linked the fire once. Period.
ALL OF THEM linked the fire once and then died, the five we see were simply brought back to life
The whole shit with the two brothers and Alrdich happened AFTER they were resurrected
>>334492240
Aldia.
>having to fight a boss immediately after fighting the profane city boss
JUST
>>334492286
>I don't think Aldia was very well-recieved though
I think not many people care enough to hate or like him.
However, he drops a big lore bomb in the state of humans, specifically that the dark blobs of humanity are our true state. However, he also muses that perhaps this 'fleeting form' that we've taken isn't exactly as a bad thing and that even if there's no option other than to link the fire or plunge the world into darkness, it isn't wrong to try and come up with a third option.
He actually ties very well into the theme of DaS2 about the curse of 'want' and since we couldn't even kill him, he might be coming back in some form for the DLC because he's immortal.
Lord of Cinder = Ex chosen undeads. It was not necessary that they linked the fire.
What I want from the DLC is more DSII armors.
The fashion was the strongest there.
>>334493089
>>334492965
So why the fuck there fire animation in their second phase
>>334493057
Honestly what I expected in this game was a ending where humanity ascended somehow so that the flame wasn't needed anymore
Maybe DLC?
>>334474689
DELETE THIS.
>>334492729
What are you talking about?
Why are you so certain that Ornstein is dead? There's as much that points to him being alive as there is pointing to him either dying or being consumed by the abyss.
>>334493270
There is already one, the Lord of Hollows ending is basically that.
just finished the game, got the dark edgy lord supreme master ending
Did I break the cycle?
What the fuck was going with the sun in that ending?
Is that seriously the ending for the franchise?
Will Yuria ever put out?
>>334493221
>However, he drops a big lore bomb in the state of humans, specifically that the dark blobs of humanity are our true state.
For fuck's SAKE.
WE HAVE KNOWN THIS SINCE BEFORE DARK SOULS 2 WAS EVEN ANNOUNCED
>>334493182
>Listen, there is no getting around this, to be a Lord of Cinder you must have linked the fire once. Period.
Yes, but the Lothric Princes never linked the fire, the priestess even outright tells you to tell him that he must BECOME a lord of Cinder. And they didn't resurrect, they were still alive and waiting for the fire to go out.
>>334493270
Like I said, Aldia and potentially the Bear of the Curse, discovered that.
hat's probably the reason why they aren't around.
>>334493364
Well in that case I'm gonna need an in-depth explanation on what the fuck happens during that ending
>>334493270
What do you think the Lord of Hollows ending was?
>>334493225
There is no such thing as a Chosen Undead. That was a lie perpetrated by Gwyndolin to trick ALL undead into linking the fire for him.
If they were just 'ex chosen undeads who didn't link the fire', that would be ALL UNDEAD.
> Urge to Fashion Souls overrides any actual live-saving practicality
HELP
>>334492862
>That was conclusively explained in the Dark Souls 1 DLC
Not even - the revelation of the true nature of humanity is already touched upon in the base game.
However, what Aldia does clarify is the exact relationship between the First Flame, the Humanity Sprites, and the Undead Curse: specifically that the first flame actually gave us mortal bodies and when it begins to fade, those body rots away before our souls/humanity leave us.
In terms of other lore, Ivory King explains what happened to the Old Chaos that was sitting underneath Lordran (it's spreading to other continents and fucking shit up) and what happened to Manus after you blew him up and stole his soul (it eventually splintered into fragments giving birth to the Daughters of the Abyss).
In terms of thematic relevance it reinforces much moreso than in DaS that dark isn't bad, light is unnatural, and that humans are cursed to pursue the impossible ever since Gwyn gave us an ethereal form.
>>334493182
The princes weren't dead, it was their turn to link the fire in this age but they refused.
>>334493442
https://youtu.be/cPeSdlbT8D0?t=1329
>>334493502
By ex-chosen undead, I meant undeads who reached the Kiln of the first flame.
>>334493416
>And they didn't resurrect, they were still alive and waiting for the fire to go out.
That's actually true, Prince Lothran isn't mentioned as rising from the grave in the opening cinematic.
But then, neither is Ludleth...
>>334493552
Well that is interesting, so everything in the game happens because of them?
>>334493406
Calm your autism and read: >>334493542
But what if ornstein tossed his armor away and just called him self solaire?
>>334493221
I like Aldia actually, he was an interesting character who seemingly was very intelligent and seemingly fed up with this flame bullshit.
Maybe he'll be the one to finally end the flame and darkness itself, creating some new form of universe.
>>334491837
Become a trap boi, and then use the ring that gives you female animations
Will Humanity ever get out of the suffering caused by Gwyn "did literally everything wrong" Lord of Cinder?
>>334493663
This is the most likely option.
>>334493542
>However, what Aldia does clarify is the exact relationship between the First Flame, the Humanity Sprites, and the Undead Curse: specifically that the first flame actually gave us mortal bodies and when it begins to fade, those body rots away before our souls/humanity leave us.
I have been explaining exactly this to people in lore discussions since before Dark Souls 2 came out. This is not me being elitist or boasting about my knowledge, this is me telling you that I vividly remember knowing all these things with certainty before ever playing Dark Souls 2.
And I still haven't played Scholar of the First Sin or looked up any of the content in it, so I couldn't be bullshitting if I tried.
As for your point about the DLC - I liked the DLC. It did some cool stuff. My only statement was pertaining to Aldia and Scholar exclusively, which came out after the DLC.
What do we know about the Primordial Serpents' involvement in DS3 so far? Now that I think about it didn't the portals to the Lost Crown DLC have statues that looked like serpents with their head chopped off? What's the deal with that?
>>334493561
I've already seen the ending plenty of times, yet I still don't get what the fuck happens.
How is becoming the king of Londor gonna make humanity ascend?
>>334493616
>>334493552
Well, then it's strange that they are still lords of cinder
>>334493769
The Age of Fire is not suffering.
The Age of Dark would be complete shit for humans, but creatures that would ACTUALLY benefit from the Age of Dark, like the serpents, are tricking you into thinking otherwise.
>>334493663
Wouldn't that be radical.
That would also make Ornstein a lord of cinder.
>>334493769
Refusing to link the flame or becoming the Lord of Hollows is pretty much a "fuck you" to Gwyn
>>334493735
He seems more content to just sit back and observe. That's basically what he did with Bearer of the Curse - just nudge him on the right path, but ultimately leaving the big decision up to him.
>>334493851
They aren't, see >>334493416
They were tasked to become Lords of Cinder but refused to
>>334493616
Pretty much. It's implied the younger gained some insight into the cycle because of the curse on his brother, and basically decided to go for the Dark Lord ending without the Lord part.
Normally that wouldn't be a problem, but apparently there simply wasn't any time left to wait for another.
Also am I the only one who though the younger brother sounded a lot like Gwyndolin? Was it just a case of them having the same VA?
>>334493842
King of HOLLOWS. Londor is a kingdom of Hollows. the Ashen usurped the first flame and gained mastery over it. Those generic Hollows are clearly either lucid or being controlled. Either they can maintain sanity while Hollow, or Humanity just turned into a Hivemind.
>>334490207
plz kill yourself faggot.
It could be that Prince Lothric was intended to fulfill our role in the ceremony. The guy who has the ashes of the other four spread on him. But because of his unwillingness, we killed him and did his job instead.
>>334478597
>Break this cycle
the most epic of memes
>>334493932
Yeah, a cool dude all around. I think that would be the best way to treat immortality really, to just enjoy the show.
>>334493803
>I have been explaining exactly this to people in lore discussions since before Dark Souls 2 came out.
And? There was no conclusive evidence beforehand so you were explaining theory. DaS2 filled in the holes and connected the dots, cementing each piece of lore related to the Dark Soul.
>>334493952
>Humanity just turned into a hivemind
[muffled Komm Susser Todd in the distance]
Why did you even have to marry in order to usurp the fire? What does marriage do to empower you so?
>>334493616
>>334493607
To be honest, i don't understand the premise of this game.
So, the premise is this. Someone rings a bell, to rise the previous lords of cinder, because in order to link the fire you need multiple lords, this is what ludleth tells you. This linking of the fire is a reenactment of the first linking of the fire.
However, the first linking of the fire was Gwyn tossing himself into the first flame because it was going out, and then you, the chosen undead, links the fire again, alone. You can say that in theory, it was 5 lords if he killed the previous 4 gods, but then we are posed with the problem that each lord of cinder had to kill or obtain those same fragments to link the flame.
So how come now there's 5 lords that each linked the flame by using the souls of 5 lords? And how come you now need 6, 5+you?
I don't fucking get it, and who ringed the fucking bell?
>>334493851
But they are not, the Throne is for KING Lothric. But now it falls down to the PrinceS to be the lords of Cinder, becaus they are twins you need BOTH of them. If the throne was referring to them, it would either say KingS or PrinceS.
They have to become lords of cinder, but they don't want to, so you have to go and fuck them up.
>>334493828
Church with dark magic worship them as angels
Yuria serves them and offer "It's cool and totally in the interests of humanity" ending
No matter how much insane abyss worshipper Aldrith was, there no connection between them and serpents
>>334493947
Oh, thats explains why their throne is more cool than others lords one
>>334492637
Not completely going out, just fading to the point of near going out.
>>334493769
let me tell you how the world of darkness would work
>everyone stays hollow, insane and purposeless
>everything dies
>monsters become deformed big eyed monstrosities
>kaathe laughs all the way to the bank
>abyss eats everything
I always get the feeling that the Primordial Serpents are like the superjew illuminati that /pol/ always creams itself about.
By which I mean controlling everything in the shadows since before the Age of Ancients shaping how they want things to be. I get the feeling that Kingseeker Frampt was a rebellious serpent maybe a outcast or member of a splinter faction
Guys, reading this thread makes me want to replay DaS1 because I don't have a PS4/Xbone/Good PC
What is a fun build i can do that will make the game interesting?
>>334494072
Anri was of the royal line of Londor. It's a legal thing.
>>334493206
I just used homeward bone, leveled up and then went back to face it.
What are you on about?
>>334494073
The Lords were resurrected because there wasn't much time left and the princes were refusing to do their job, it was an act of desperation
As for why you need them to reach the First Flame, I have no clue
HERE WE GO LADS RAPID FIRE MINDFUCK
PRINCE LOTHRIC LOOKS AND SOUNDS IDENTICAL TO GWYNDOLIN HE'S A SICKLY PALE FEMBOY WITH WHITE HAIR SO HERE'S THE THING ALDRICH NEVER ATE GWYNDOLIN HE ATE LOTHRIC GLAMORED TO LOOK LIKE GWYNDOLIN WHILE GWYNDOLIN FINALLY GAVE UP ON THE AGE OF GODS AFTER COUNTLESS YEARS AND DECIDED TO LET THE FLAME FADE THAT'S WHY HE CAN USE SUCH POWERFUL MAGIC EVEN THOUGH THERE'S NO MENTION OF LOTHRIC BEING A SORCERER AYYYYYY
>>334494016
Literally an in-universe meme. Why do you think people keep trying? The entire plot is everyone deesperately clinging to an old and musted meme.
>>334494156
I wish there was more lore on the Imperfect hanging around the Sunken King's ruins. Were those babby Primordial Serpents if the Serpents were impoerfect dragons?
WAIT A SECOND
ARE THE SNAKES UNDER GWNDOLID IN DS1 ACTUALLY ALDRICH BEFORE HE COMPLETELY CONSUMED HIM?
>>334494073
>and who ringed the fucking bell?
Aldia
>>334494156
Kingseeker Frampt was just the serpents' way of playing both sides.
Think how the Rothchilds funded both the English and French during the Napoleonic wars.
>>334493828
There are statues of Primordial Serpents with humanoid bodies and tiny angel wings where their arms would be around the Grand Archives and I think some places in Lothric Castle. They were worshiped as angels by heretics. How those people saw them as angels is beyond me, maybe the serpents claimed they were angels themselves.
Why don't you just watch Vatti for lore :^)
>>334494216
How did you even know to expect it, you sorry wikifag?
>>334494126
No. The flame has gone out before. That ushers in the age of darkness. Happens in DaS1 if you walk away from the Kiln. Doesn't matter, because it is a fucking cycle so one day an undead will rekindle the fire.
>>334494031
>And? There was no conclusive evidence beforehand so you were explaining theory.
There was. It wasn't stated plainly in a single sentence but there was lots of proof for it in the same way that there was proof Ornstein was an illusion.
Aldia did not reveal lore, he confirmed lore.
>>334494272
No, Gwyndolin was already semi-corrupted by dark magic.
>>334494328
what? you can homeward bone during boss fights
>>334494196
Oh, that's it? Fuck me, I thought the part where she oozed dark shit up your arm after being stabbed was more meaningful and you couldn't have usurped the fire otherwise. Like she was splooging super Dark powers into you or whatever.
>>334494156
Well, everything's going to shit and it's all cycles
So you might as well go with the game's themes and cheese everything with sorcery because there's nothing better to look forward to anyway.
Gwyn, nameless and Ornstein are the 3 sword in the sacred oath miracles, they used to be bros before nameless became a furfag and boned the plumed drake, Ornstein was always upset that he got driven away and named first knight of gwyn instead so he left anor londo to search for nameless, apparently he found him because his shitty armor is up there in archdragon peak, he probably got bitch slapped by nameless lol.
>>334489927
This
>>334494272
no.
>>334494153
This. Brainwashed cucks keep believing everything Kaathe says and claim we'll usher in an age of man and rule over the gods and blahblahblah.
But what would really happen is that everyone will hollow, eventually our souls will leave us, and we will all revert back to blobs of humanity with no consciousnesswhile the serpents are sitting around laughing.
>>334494272
No stop being dumb.
>>334494337
What if, after walking away, you guard the flame with your new abyss powers to ensure that no one rekindles it.
So whats with the third ending, are you fire and dark combined perfectly?
>>334494073
You don't need 5 lords to link the fire,1 is enough
But there no one in this age to do it, so 4 lords were raised to combine their strenght and ecome cinder to prolong fire little more. 3 of them said fuck it and left
You hunt them down for their souls
You are shit tier undead and can't even serve as an cinder for fire, so you need 4 souls and soul of powerful lord(prince is the only one you can find right now)
In the ending you just lie down and die after your work is done
>>334494312
Reminds me of judeo-christian seraphim being serpents with six wings, at least. Oh well, DS is fucked enough I'd worship any floaty bastard to distract myself from my impending ruin too.
I'm stuck
beat aldritch
beat abyss watchers
what do I do now?
>>334494328
What sort of retard doesn't have like 50 homeward bones sitting in their inventory? They're everywhere.
>>334494153
To be honesy by DaS III it gives the impression that the human world is barely hanging on against the abyss, shit gets worse and worse every time the ritual to link the fire begins, even if the Champion of Ash chooses to link the flames they would probably give humanity a few centuries at best.
>>334494328
No wiki, no online, no summons.
I'm just not retarded.
You're teleported to the room with that bitch, but if you look behind you the door is wide open.
Learn to critical thinking.
>>334494340
>There was
Then show proof.
>>334494495
go to the Irithyll Dungeon (down from Manor bonfire)
>>334494434
Because if you guard the flame, the age of darkness is prolonged.
>>334479054
>i live in the world of words, i am superiour
LEL
>>334480634
>>334480531
Yoel only dies when you take his levels, as far as i know
>>334494495
Go back to mansion bonfire and head to Irithyll Dungeon
>>334494417
Or maybe he renounced his knighthood and left his knightly clothing there?
Or maybe nameless found his clothing and kept it for whatever reason.
>>334494495
Seek strength.
The rest will follow.
>>334494443
The only thing I know for sure is the sky and sun seem somehow darker than they go even in the other endings where you let the fire fade.
>>334494267
>Literally an in-universe meme
no
> Why do you think people keep trying?
they fucking aren't, everyone left their throne and wats nothing to do with firelink which is a curse explained by the priestess of lothric
> The entire plot is everyone deesperately clinging to an old and musted meme.
there's no plot what so ever, the whole game is basically that nigglet pleading you to link the fire because MUH DARK, there's no closure, no explanation and no fix to anything, probably locked behind the two upcoming DLCs knowing namco's jewery, literally scholar of the first sin all over again.
>>334494532
I can if you want since I've been through this a thousand times, but I would have to reference at least a dozen different in-game sources and it would be more like an essay than a snappy rebuttal. Which would derail the thread more than a little.
>>334494272
Aldrich didn't even exist back then
What has Gwynevere been doing all this time, sure she was an illusion in DS1 as she was off fucking the God of War or something.
Did she never come back to Londor?
>>334494584
Well yeah, that's the point of defending the flame, to ensure the age of darkness continues.
Does anyone have an infographic or something explaining the rough outline of the souls 1 - 3 story.
I've played them all and never really took too much in from it all other than enjoying the atmosphere and bosses
>>334494607
>>334494560
Fuck mane I knew the loop back to irithyll wasn't a coincidence
>>334494646
>I can if you want
Go ahead.
>Which would derail the thread more than a little.
How are you going to derail a lore thread with lore?
>>334494698
She inscested with the new dragon firstborn/Faraam and created Priscilla.
>>334494698
Aldrich probably ate her too.
Lucky bastard.
>>334494698
fucked off to somewhere, married and had kids then passed on.
Pretty much all OG gods are dead by the time of DaS 3
>>334492726
Wait, I think I know what it is - you need the Prisoner Chief's Ashes. They're in that one locked cell on the middle level of Irithyll Dungeon, over by the jailer with all the cages.
>>334494073
So first there was 1
The first flame
But then it was split in 4
Gwyn, Izalith, Nito, Manus
But then Gwyn split his soul into several souls
Gwyndolin, Gwynivere, Faaram, Seath and 4 Kings
So now we have at least 9, and that's ignoring the fact that Manus split his soul into all of humanity, but that's ok, apparently we don't need the dark soul to link the first flame, so we just have 8, but apparently we only need some fragments from Gwyn's soul, not all, just some.
So we have Gwyn's soul made whole with Seath and the 4 king's souls, which takes us back to 3, Gwyn, Nito, Izalith.
In Dark Souls 2, Seath transcended death and somehow gained a lord soul of his own, which means we now have 4, Gwyn, Nito, Izalith and Seath's. So let's just say we have extra fuel.
Now in Dark souls 3 we have 5, but wait, there's a twist, because each of these 5 are lords of Cinder, which means each of these 5 had those 4 lord souls, which means now we need 20 souls to Kdshasdk;afhnsd;asdka;s
>>334494507
"But one day, tiny flames will dance across the darkness, like embers linked by embers lords past"
>>334494714
Yes so the flame has gone out before but never truly went away because embers can restart the flame but enough that the age of darkness is triggered.
>>334494803
Pricilla is the daughter of Velka, not Gwynevere
>>334494813
Whatever happened to Queelag's sister?
I don't get it at all. Someone panicked and resurrected a bunch of the old Lords of Cinder because no one was linking the flame why? Wouldn't it just have become an age of darkness and another link on the unending cycle?
>>334494931
You find her dead below smouldering lake
>>334494931
Dead, you can actually find her corpse and Quelana's in the smoldering lake in dark souls 3. Quelana's corpse is over the corpse of the covenant lady, still holding her pyromancy tome.
>>334494631
Up until game 3 I mean, you doofus. I'm not even arguing against the rest, I'm saying DS3 is literally everyone dooming themselves because of dank memes.
>>334494902
Evidence?
>>334494931
You find her corpse holding a pyromancer tome.
>>334474834
It's not our fault you can't put the pieces together. Goddamn, dude I just spent a solid hour discussing the new lore from this game with my friend who is a hardcore ds enthusiast.
>>334494153
>kaathe laughs all the way to the bank
the jew has finally come to collect his shekels
maybe he'll make an appearance in the dlc
>>334494931
You can find her corpse in Smouldering lake holding Quelana's pyromance tome.
>>334494837
>In Dark Souls 2, Seath transcended death and somehow gained a lord soul of his own
I don't believe he was ever said to have a lord soul in 2.
>Now in Dark souls 3 we have 5, but wait, there's a twist, because each of these 5 are lords of Cinder, which means each of these 5 had those 4 lord souls, which means now we need 20 souls to Kdshasdk;afhnsd;asdka;s
What I assume happened is that after linking the fire, the Lord Souls eventually dissipated back into the world like they do after every cycle ends. However, no one has stepped up to find them yet, so we're on backup plan B where Unkindled are woken up to kill previous lords to keep the fire going just a bit longer until SOMEONE can get the job done right.
>>334494837
Those souls that the DaS 3 lords of cinder had might have diminished when they died.
>>334494996
>>334495014
>>334495041
>>334495090
Oh.
What killed her? Did she die peacfully?
Who the fuck is Faraam?
I know there's a set in DaS2 with that name, who was he?
>>334494810
> You will never coil around her crushing her organs into dust while throws up blood and vomit over her enormous bosoms.
> You will never slowly extend your gaping maw over her entire godly body and slowly digest such an exquisite prey, feeling her busty form sliver through your throat muscles feeling every muscle contraction and acid burn away at such golden skin until you feel full with satisfaction.
feels bad man
>>334494965
>Someone panicked and resurrected a bunch of the old Lords of Cinder because no one was linking the flame why?
Lothric, the prince who was meant to become a Lord of Cinder and link the flame, decided not to because fuck that.
>>334495152
Who knows, there are dead demons everywhere
>>334495152
>Did she die peacfully?
>entire lake is in flames and her body is charred
Anon, I...
>>334495113
Old Pale Drake soul, look it up.
>>334490052
Given that you no longer hollow, I imagine he helped human's overcome the Darksign and turn humanity from Undead to Unkindled.
>>334495182
The name of the nameless king
>>334495152
Literally the only thing keeping her alive was Quelaag stealing Humanity from "chosen" undeads that came to ring the bell and feeding it to her. When you killed Quelaag you signed her death warrant.
>>334495196
I wish I was a god devouring monstrosity. Life's not fair man.
Even if the age of dark comes it's safe to assume that one day the flame will appear out of nowhere again, just like the first time. Making all this struggle futile.
It's just the nature of the world.
>>334495243
>>334495247
>>334495302
Maybe she's better off dead, she had to be suffering that entire time.
>>334488884
are you fucking braindamaged? have you actually read the comment a couple of replies up?
Why do the crows have Lucatiel's mask?
What is the lore significance?
>>334494153
Read the item description for dregs
shit is WILD
>>334495260
Where are you guys getting this from?
>>334495328
This stated blatantly in one of the endings.
>But one day, tiny flames will dance across the darkness, like embers linked by lords past
>>334494512
>literally guessed that a second boss fight would come out of nowhere with 0 warning nor 0 indication of something like that even being a possibility.
Yeah, ok 4chan. kek.
>>334486934
>they should break all tradition of leaving these things up to interpretation and spoonfeed me lore because I lack imagination and the ability to connect the dots
Not to mention time-fuckery and converging worlds are a staple of the series
Haven't played any Souls game but just wanted to say that it's good to see that you guys seem to be enjoying this game/series.
Cheerio
>>334495328
This is literally what the firekeeper says if you do the dark ending
>>334495090
That's not her corpse - notice how there's no human torso.
>>334495196
>Gaping dragon and Aldrich will never team up and deliver the hottest mixtape this side of Anor londo
lost potential tbqh
Why the fuck is Lotheric directly next to Londo
In positive critique, the landscape consistancy is really great unlike the famed Earthen Peak to Fire Volcano shit
>>334495370
She was doing her best to ease the suffering of afflicted parasitic izalith citizens ;-;
Will Priscilla ever show up again?
The game sort of implies she may still be alive.
>>334495328
There was no age of the dark before, it was age of fog and there still were humans or human like creatures
Age of the dark is abyss bullshit around with lovecraftian horros
Flame will never appear again
Where do I find onion knight after we killed the demon in undead village?
Also is there a map for the damn Farron Keep swamp? I can't get back to the giant crab by the white tree.
>>334494725
No. But it goes like this.
First the world was grey and lifeless, it was filled with trees and dragons. Then out of nowhere came fire, and with fire came disparity, heat and cold and light and dark. 3 lords found 3 great souls of power in the first flame, they were Gwyn the lord of sunlight, Nito the lord of the dead and the witch of Izalith, and one more found a different soul within the flame, the dark soul. With the power of the souls the 3 lords vanquished the dragons and made the world their own. Meanwhile the guy that found the dark soul split it among every human on earth, the dark soul is "humanity" and it feeds the flame.
This is very biblical and mythological so it doesn't explain things very well, it's implied that there were already kingdoms of men since Gwyn already had a family and an army when he found the soul, but it isn't explained. What matters is that the world was dull and boring and ruled by immortal dragons.
The age of fire doesn't last forever, and every now and then the fire fades until only darkness remains, when this happened the first time Izalith and Gwyn shat themselves. Izalith used magic to try and recreate the first flame, but she failed and instead created chaos and demons, the demons were mostly vanquished by gwyn's knights and then Gwyn too panicked and decided to sacrifice himself to keep the age of fire going, by burning himself as cinder. And so he became the first lord of cinder.
Dark souls 1 takes place many centures or milenia after this, and the fire is fading again, it is your duty to recover the lord souls and burn yourself at the fire to keep it going for another however long it lasts.
In dark souls 2 is the same shit all over again, the fire fades and you must make sure it keeps going.
Same shit in dark souls 3. That's the rough outline.
>>334494837
The first flame was never split into four. For fuck's sake. This is the problem with discussing lore, it's so vague that half the people in the thread are completely wrong on even the most fundamental things.
The first flame has always been a singular thing. Gwyn and co. discovered it, and found the Lord Souls waiting inside it. They took those and absorbed them. The first flame was like a table which the lord souls happened to be resting on, they did not fuck with the first flame by doing this.
And you don't need a certain amount of Gwyn's soul to link the flame. That's not how it works. The first flame is not inextricably linked to Gwyn, it's just a fire that needs fuel, and stronger souls = better fuel.
You didn't have to kill all those lords in Dark Souls 1 to be able to link the fire. You had to do it to activate the Lordvessel. Seperate things.
>>334495554
In a well in the near the start of the Church place with the Rosaria's fingers.
>>334495525
>DaS1 shows us a cycle
>DaS2 shows us a cycle
>Flames will never appear again
Sure
implying serpents aka jews won't just plant the Lord Souls for humans to find again just like last time, why even dark end
>>334495443
Jesus christ kid, learn to critical thinking.
I didn't know there was a boss, but i just killed a boss and had 60k souls on me.
I was definitely not going to move forward and risk those souls.
>>334495418
>Faraam set: named after a long forgotten god of war
>nameless king: Long Forgotten god of war
Alright, if everyone is just a big blob of humanity during an age of dark, who the fuck is able to start the Age of Fire again?
>>334495525
age of dark>age of fog>age of fire
it's not that far fetched
Where did the first flame come from? Who was responsible for it? Did one of the dragons with fire breath accidentally start a forest fire? Is that where the flame comes from?
And why is the flame such a dick? It appeared out of nowhere, made everything cool for a little while but then causes everything to become shit.
>>334495525
Actually, the flames will appear again - but if we had never left the age of ancients, it wouldn't.
Age of Fire and Age of Dark are two sides of the same coin.
The Age of Ancients is the true opposite to them. It's not locked in a cycle. It is perpetual and stable, but also really boring.
>>334494646
>>334494793
>Still no reply
kek I thought so.
Just to get the last word in and to clarify: there really was nothing in DaS that spoke of the relationship between the First Flame, Humanity, Undead, and Gwyn. The closest thing we got was the vague intro, but that brings up questions of why if the Flame existed before Gwyn and co. discovered it, why did hollows exist?
Aldia says in DaS2 that Gwyn did *something* with the flame, perhaps simply harnessing it, that finally gave us our physical bodies.
>>334494153
>>334493952
Yuria's words when you attack her:
"A Hollow need not be mad"
Just because you're Hollow it doesn't mean you automatically go insane
>>334495832
It just happens.
The first flame just happened.
>>334484667
I lol'd
>>334495975
Great explanation.
10/10 writing.
>>334496103
How did the big bang happen?
>>334495896
God put it there.
>>334495832
It probably just starts on it's own, just like how the fire fades on it's own. Besides, only humans suffer that fate, there are other living creatures in the world.
Yhorm the giant is a lord of cinder and he isn't a human, so it doesn't have to be a human that links the fire, Aldrich is an abomination, if he was human once i don't think you could consider him a human anymore, and yet he became a lord of cinder in this form, and the abyss watchers were a group of people.
So what i'm trying to say is that, i don't think you have to be a single human to link the fire, it can probably be anything that is able to hoard souls.
>>334496103
it's like the big bang nigga, why are you getting so upset about this?
The dragons got fucked over the most. Everything was theirs but then a flame came out of literal nowhere and gave birth to a bunch of other shit that would end up killing them because they didn't like sharing.
>>334495607
>it's implied that there were already kingdoms of men since Gwyn already had a family and an army when he found the soul
Where exactly is this implied?
Gwyn, along with every other 'human' at the time, was a mindless hollow who just stumbled towards the first flame because it was bright, and ended up snatching up a lord soul. They probably weren't even sentient before that.
>when this happened the first time Izalith and Gwyn shat themselves.
It never happened. They found out that it was GOING to happen, that the fire was fading, and shat themselves over that. Izalith didn't try to recreate it, she tried to create an alternate flame while the first flame was still going.
But yeah, pretty much correct.
>>334495832
>if everyone is just a big blob of humanity during an age of dark
Nothing really suggests that, it only got that bad in Oolacile because Manus went fucking berserk.
>>334487848
That's his helmet actually, it's on there when you wear it, but that kind of reinforces your point even more really.
New thread?
>>334495832
Someone can start the Age of Fire up again before it gets to that point. Also like >>334495961 says, in DaS2 it was revealed that you don't go full hollow as long as you have a strong will/purpose. So it's more like 99% of the population will be hollowed with 1% retaining their individuality. Then again, the Age of Dark is probably going to lead to the Abyss sooner or later, so we're all fucked anyways.
>>334496154
>>334496206
>nobody wants to rat out on who threw the burning couch out the window
>>334496253
Well, the intro literally says "Gwyn and his knights" and shows an army of armored knights standing with him.
And Gwyn has an uncle, which means he had a father and a mother.
>>334495961
I don't know why people say that those who became hollow go mindless and insane, Londor is a city full of hollows and they just live by normally(as normal as someone can be in this setting).
The undead settlement down in Lothric was the same too before it got royally fucked.
>>334495860
The age of dark never existed prior to the age of fire.
The age of dark is 100% contingent on the Dark Soul and Humanity. The Dark Soul is one of the souls they found in the First Flame.
Age of Ancients > Age of Fire > Age of Dark
READ
THE
LORE
>>334495946
Actually, I started writing it up and still have it half-finished in another tab, but I got distracted by new posts. You're very wrong and I will politely explain this to you if I actually have the willpower to finish this big post.
>>334495896
All the tragedies happened because of the innability of gwyn to accept the world's fate.
Stuff like trying to re-create the first flame and creating the chaos instead.
The fire is not evil itself, but it's the nature for it to fade eventually.
>>334496303
>So it's more like 99% of the population will be hollowed with 1% retaining their individuality.
>Usurp the flame
>Retain sanity and lord over Hollows
>Humanity effectively becomes a Hive Mind and transcends the need of Fire
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIscL-Bjsq4
>>334496356
>Age of Ancients>Age of Fire> Age of Dark>>>>Age of Fire
Wew lad
>>334496168
It's not about whether you're human or not, it's about whether you have Humanity. Manus was a monstrosity but he was fucking brimming with Humanity.
Giants probably have Humanity. They may even be have more than humans, based on their appearance.
>>334496468
>Usurp the flame
>Bitch who server worms lead you to that
You will be fucked hard by them in the end
Framt was the only one on your side
but why don't we need the humanity item any more after das1, and just use bent twigs and matches?
>>334496656
You are unkindled now
>>334496350
>Well, the intro literally says "Gwyn and his knights" and shows an army of armored knights standing with him.
Yeah, long after they discover the first flame. Did you not see him also wearing a crown and having a beard and very obviously having absorbed his lord soul by that point?
Humans didn't even have fucking rocks prior to the discovery of the first flame, never mind a functioning hierarchy.
>>334496724
what about das2?
>>334496656
Because you can't become human no matter that
You can't lit the fire, this is why you need princes souls, they will be the ones who will lit the fire
>>334496453
>All the tragedies happened because of the innability of gwyn to accept the world's fate.
I don't think that's right at all. The Darksign is a natural thing, and those branded with it are drawn naturally to Lordran, sane or not. If anything it's more like the First Flame itself is an ethereal Parasite that lures in powerful souls and feeds on them. Gwynn and the others stumbled in on it as it was trying to eat the Lord Souls and snatched them away.
>>334496645
>any serpent
>on your side ever
With snakes you lose
>>334496447
>I'll explain to you WHEN and IF I'm done writing it
>While this thread is already on page 10
Nah bruh, this thread is going to 404 and you'll have nothing to show for it.
On the other hand, this provides the link in what I was saying:
>Once, the Lord of Light banished Dark, and all that stemmed from humanity.
>And men assumed a fleeting form.
>These are the roots of our world.
>Men are props on the stage of life, and no matter how tender, how exquisite…
>A lie will remain a lie.
>Young Hollow, knowing this, do you still desire peace?
>>334496453
You are retarded.
The world was shit during the Age of Ancients.
The world would be shit during the Age of Dark.
The world is actually pretty great during the Age of Fire, right up until it starts to fade. Sacrificing things to keep the world going is by no means selfish, especially when Gwyn killed himself to do it.
Gwyn gets a bad rep from pretentious lorefags who think things are somehow better just because they're more obscure. He's a hero.
>>334496468
If it was that easy people wouldn't be afraid of the Dark and there would be a lot more supporters of Kaathe.
There are obviously things in the Dark we don't know about.
>>334496781
Human figure helped you remember your goal and that kept your from hollowing
You need strong will
In das shit go down because it was 1k years without anyone to lit the fire
>>334496781
Effigies contain humanity
>>334495651
Oh shit, how do I go down the well? Will there be a prompt or ladder or something?
>>334496468
>Humanity effectively becomes a Hive Mind and transcends the need of Fire
You were doing so well until this line of pure fanfiction.
That said, the serpents are probably going to fuck your shit up if someone else doesn't come by and kill you to kindle the fire themselves.
>>334495961
>hollow need not be mad
>living in the age of (dwindling but still) fire
yuria doesn't know shit, she fell for the "age of darkness=humanity meme and thinks when everything goes black and the abyss eats everything hollows will still be able to maintain their sanity and become kings
it's a literal case of WE SHULD BE KANGZ AN SHIET and she's fell for kaathe dank promises
simple fact of the matter is that once the fire begisn to fade, hollows and mankind slowly becomes insane, worshipping eldritch monstrosities, llosing their minds or simply killing eachother. See undead village and cathedral of the deep for reference
you cannot say that the level of husks and lunacidal humans seen during the end of the first flame as opposed to halfway through the cycle is the same, nothing would get done and civilisations simply would not begin to exist.
therefore failing of the first flame= humanity loses it's sanity
new thread
new thread
new thread
>>334483801
It tells you backstory of your character for the starting classes though and how you died, none of them mention being burned alive. For example the knight collapsed from exhaustion
>>334496868
Well I'm sorry that I can't explain it to you punctually but this shit is convoluted and you need to connect a bunch of different threads.
I'm not lying because if I were, I would just be setting myself up to look like a dumbass when I can't deliver.
Is it so hard for you to believe that a lot of people knew this prior to it being spelled out in straightforward dialogue? Are you just insecure about not having known it at the same time as us?
NEW THREAD>>334497025
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>>334496734
You're taking the intro waaaay too literally, it's meant to be a biblical retelling of how things happened.
If you want to be that literal then nothing makes sense, by that logic, Gwyn found the soul as a hollow, and then they had to wait for humans to invent civilization and advance through thousands of years of technological advancement before they even started fighting the dragons. And for those thousands of years when they were powerless the dragon's didn't just destroy their shit.
And that still leaves out the fact that Gwyn had a family.
The only solution is to go full Aldrich and devour the primordial serpents.
So was the dragons the first fuckers around?
>>334497109
That's your answer to everything Smough
>>334496904
>The world was shit during the Age of Ancients.
Not really, for dragons it was hell of a good time since you were being worshipped and shit.
Just like how in the Age of Fire, Gwyn and his people are worshipped. Gwyn may have indirectly helped humanity but he's no hero, he just wanted to take the power from the gods and take their place.
>>334497091
I'm not taking it literally. You're the one claiming that Gwyn magically had an order of loyal knights prior to getting his lord soul despite the knights being mentioned AFTER they say they found the lord souls. There is no reason to believe that whatsoever. Go look at what humanity looks like when they're stumbling towards the flame and compare that to how Gwyn looks when they're showing his knights.
>>334497194
Yes.
>>334497080
>and you need to connect a bunch of different threads.
No you don't. I've played DaS, probably more than you.
The only things you need are the intro and some of Kaathe's dialogue and a few item/soul descriptions in AotA.
>>334496904
He's literally the cause of all the shit that happened afterwards.
He's commited the first sin.
Can i look my covenant rank up somewhere, or how much things i offered to my covenant?
>>334497231
and when we get to the age of the dark and the abyss swallows the world the serpents will be worshipped, not humanity
>>334497231
Granted, but who gives a shit about dragons?
Gwyn was a hero for sacrificing his life so that people - not just gods, but EVERYONE - could continue things like reading books, painting, making love, telling stories, living.
