Dark souls 3: Lore thread
>discuss ideas surrounding settings, characters and items
>discuss how lothric= dark souls1 setting
>discuss plot
>discuss boss lore
enjoy
firelink shrine = firelink shrine???
there is nothing to discuss, the lore is extremely shallow and vague, more than ever, there's no connections to be made and nobody even cares since the endings don't even close the series despite being the last game, it's a lost cause, let it go
>>334474243
Or you could post in one of the twelve DS3 threads that are already in the catalog. You could do that.
>>334474243
see >>334467374
we may hijack your thread when we run off
>>334474689
>>334474834
>since the endings don't even close the series despite being the last game
>DaS1: Yo, link the fire or let it die idc
>DaS2: Shit, idc what you do everything turns out the same anyway, it's an inevitability. Even at the last spark fire will always renew
>DaS3: Break this cycle, nigga. Usurp the throne and let the Age of Dark begin alas. FO REAL LEGIT THIS TIME THO
>>334474243
Can we have a Dark Souls story thread instead?Oh right, there is no story.
>>334478787
Read a book if you want an actual good story, because you won't find any in a video game.
Lore.
http://darksouls3.wiki.fextralife.com/Winged+Knight+Set
this video makes a pretty good case about the underlying themes of homoeroticism in dark souls 3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nz8KJYpRh28
FromSoft just has certain bits of ideas and concepts that they like, and they put them in all their shit. Sometimes they connect in ambiguous and contradictory ways, but that's it. Trying to find the world's lore like you're reading Tolkien's Silmarillion is a lost cause, because everything is just an excuse to have more eldritch abominations, trees, cathedrals, foggy forests, and old bearded men with witches for wives. FromSoft can make a fucking MLP game, it'll still have a huge stairway to a notre dame cathedral ripoff where the pony gods reside or some shit like that, because that's what the designers are into.
That's not a dig at the games, they're among my favorites. But there's less consistency in this lore than in the Zelda timeline, and I think that's how FromSoft likes it.
>>334479419
>those teeth
More like cock mangler.
Is the First Prince dead, exiled, potato, or an illusion?
THEORY
I think the fact you're unkindled and need the dark sigils applied to you suggests, to me at least, that you aren't human. I think ludleth created you as a vessel. You can't hollow because you have no humanity. Yohr is giving his humanity to you when he "draws out your potential", which is why he dies after.
your corpse may have been human once but ludleth scrapes it out like the inside of a pumpkin and makes his champion to solve this world ending shit
>>334479419
Stop viralling your shitty videos and stick to saying memes on twitter you embarrassingly unfunny autist.
Ha ha! Firelink Shrine is an illusion, you're not a human, Gwynevere is the Queen of Lothric and Kaathe is an Angel and Faraam is the Nameless King and Solaire is the Firstborn, but also lord of cinder.
I want to marry fire keeper
>>334480065
wat
He's as alive as Lothric is. He's pretty potato though.
>>334480079
Yoel dies because Yuria kills him or sends someone to kill him.
>letting vati steal your memes again
I hope you guys don't complain this time
If Lords of Cinder linked the fire at some point, how can Lothric possibly be Lord? He can't even stand on his feet.
>>334480183
How funny would it be if there was an unassuming NPC in the game who talked like this?
Just vomits lore at you like he has a very specific type of tourettes.
>>334480348
Did you ever consider the fact that maybe he had legs at one stage?
>>334480264
>Yoel dies because Yuria kills him or sends someone to kill him.
Yuria literally works with other pilgrims like the one she send after Anri
So there no reason to think that they weren't friends
>>334480264
Yuria never showed up in my playthrough and Yoel still died.
>>334480470
They should call him Vaati.
>>334480506
She literally tells you that she killed him.
>>334480470
seeing how from tries to undrmine your expectations in the gameplay, i'm won't be surprised if their next game will be full on solid lore with zero room for speculation.
>>334480531
Hence "or sends someone to kill him". Much like she sends someone to kill Anri.
>>334480489
He still has them, he just can't stand on them. Still that was said he was ill and weak since his birth.
Lothric was straight up built over Lordran.
The view from Anor Londo implies that the entire city was destroyed except for the cathedral, which was left because of the presence of Gwyndolin/Aldrich. The conversion to a tundra was already happening in Dark Souls, as you can see when you attack Gwynevere and find out the sun has already vanished.
Interestingly, the Profaned Capital seems to be in the same place as New Londo. The cave has a similar opening with sunlight filtering through, which was immediately noticeable on entering New Londo the first time.
Of course, Farron is Darkroot Garden, slowly converted first into a proving grounds for the Abyss Watchers and then slowly corrupted after their order fell.
Also Wolnir seems to have killed all but a handful of the demons of Izalith, going by his giant death worm, giant Avelyn, and piles of Taurus/Capra demon corpses in Smouldering Lake.
>>334480634
Should I kill yuria then?
WHY THE TIME AND PLACE ARE CONVOLUTED FUCK
>>334481109
It won't do anything. You need to kill her assassin to save Anri.
Why is the player character killing other Lords of Cinder, while they dont try to kill other Lords?
Why do the other Lords resist, when they linked the flame in the past? Gone mad/hollow?
And what "generation" of Lord of Cinder is the PC?
>>334483045
>Gone mad/hollow?
Yes, Yhorm literally asked Sig to kill him because they were aware that spending centuries burning in the fire isn't a very good thing for your mental health
>>334483045
>Why is the player character killing other Lords of Cinder, while they dont try to kill other Lords?
I'm not sure what you're asking
>tfw if you get a little earlier, you would been able to save Artorias
>>334483501
I think he's asking why the lords don't try to kill each other.
I imagine it's because you can only link the fire once so they have no reason to try and link the flame again because they can't possibly do it.
>>334483501
>intro says Lords of Cinder wake up when the bell tolls
>the 3 enemy LoCs are seen rising out of their graves
>after character creation, you can hear a bell ringing
>PC gets out of a grave that looks EXACTLY like the ones of the other LoC
Thats one of the most straightforward hints in DS lore ever, you play a LoC from the very beginning.
So: Why are you hunting down the others, and they just sit on their ass? I guess because you are the only one that isnt mad, but thats kinda boring.
>>334480559
No, she doesn't.
>Yhorm and Seigward were friends
>>334480470
They already had that character in scholar of the first sin.
More about abyss/deep
From the deacon robes
>In time, those dedicated to sealing away the horrors of the Deep succumbed to their very power. It seems that neither tending to the flame, nor the faith, could save them.
So even though they worship deep, they tried to seal it away?
And funny but both bosses who were turned into monsters by deep(Dancer and Vordt) are VERY weak to the dark magic. And neither of them look like Abyss creature
Vaati if you are here which you probably are, go fuck yourself you piece of shit stop stealing ideas from other anons and claim them as your own
Is Smouldering Lake Ash Lake, except now actually connected to Demon Ruins/Lost Izalith?
>>334484197
>Neither of them look like Abyss creatures
What? They have passing resemblances to Artorias.
>>334484396
no, it's detroit
>>334474689
FUCK YOU VAATI
>>334484197
>And neither of them look like Abyss creature
Well they are wearing armor, they're probably pretty terrifying underneath. You can also sorta see the Dancer's face in her intro, she has a bit of a hollowed face.
>>334474689
But what about true firelink shrine?
>>334483801
>I guess because you are the only one that isnt mad
What if you're the only one who is mad?
So was the darkmoon lady like a decedent of pricillia's? She had a tail like pricillia but also kinda looked like gywndolin.
Do you think they planed on having you walking on the Distorted Kiln world with some fucked up gravity, but they scraped that up cause time/failure?
Why do you start at firelink walk for 2 seconds then teleport again only to walk for more 2 seconds... Maybe they wanted you to walk from firelink up to the Cinder
What the actual fuck is this thing? It doesn't seem to be hostile but I don't like the way it's looking at me.
Is 'unleashing your power' from yoel affect the ending?
>>334485124
kill it
>>334485124
I havent seen it yet but if its just kinda chilling there it may be similar to the bug in ds2. The one that cures poisons. Try going near it with some type of ailment.
>>334484797
>Well they are wearing armor
In dancer case it's part of her body
>The black eyes of the Pontiff eventually transformed the Dancer into a beastly creature, her gauntlets fusing with her own hide.
But yeah, looks like my mistake. It wasn't deep but just magic rings that transformed them
>>334485221
Hell no. Not killing something that isn't a threat. It can stay ugly and in that cell.
>>334474243
Are we that desperate to make a video, Vaati?
>>334485168
If you follow that questline to the end yeah. if you dont than it doesn't do shit.
>>334485124
you'll see later in that place
I just got The end of Fire Ending
Did I do gud lore friends?
>DS2 makes some vague references to DS1 at times
>"WOOOOW, fucking hacks"
>DS3 has constant and blatant DS1 fanwankery directly showed down your throat
>"This is so fucking good and deep, Miyazaki does it again!"
>>334485124
>>334485273
>>334485403
As said, his kin are later enemies who actively attack you. Maybe it is just that this one is chained to the wall and can't move.
>>334485124
This one isn't an enemy
Others are, and very annoying with their dagger fast attack
>>334485484
I like the game but I agree, they went way the fuck overboard.
It would be okay if they put all those references to use by giving us NEW info, but instead they just regurgitate the things we already knew.
>>334484835
there is the firelink shrine, the dark firelink shrine in the untended graves section, and the endgame firelink shrine
>>334485425
No, because the Age of Dark sucks balls. You fell for the Darkwraith meme.
>mfw I just fought the Nameless King
>mfw I read his descriptions
>mfw his appearence
>mfw he'sGwyn's Firstborn
I don't even understand how DS2 fits into this at all
There's a few areas in that game that seemed literally DS1 places but.. aren't, I guess? It's always referred to as some other country in DS3
>>334485124
There are others and they are hostile. These masters of Jewish trickery set me up to think they were peaceful then sent another to stab me with a blue knife. I'm going back there to bash that fucker's face in.
>>334485689
It's just Dark Souls 1-2.
The only clear reference i have seen to 2 is a Giant tree.
>>334485724
Safe bashing friendo
>>334485689
DS2 has small referances but its kinda like the bastard son of the series.
>>334485484
DaS2 is supposed to be in a super distant future where everything has been forgotten and countless empires have rose and fell
>Praise the sun, solaire was cool right? Orstein just because. All these bosses are reincarnation haha.
DaS 3 is supposed to be in a fucked up world where the past and future merge and everything comes together.
It makes much more sense to have throwbacks in this. In Darks Sousl 2 it made literally no sense other then pandering.
Now I'm not saying that DaS3 doesn't have it's good share of pander, but it does a better job at making it work.
>>334485689
Dark Souls 2 is literally filer. Since it's in the middle of the cycle nothing really mattered
>>334485854
>The only clear reference i have seen to 2 is a Giant tree.
Did you seriously just overlooked Nashandra's painting on the wall?
>>334485372
fuck
>get first upgrade from him
>oh shit, it's the dark sign, better heal it right the fuck now
>he dies next time i get to the shrine
>find out i've missed on a huge plot line
ugh
So, let me see if I've got this right...
>Chosen Undead rolls through Lordran and goes all murderhobo on the gods or whatever
>kindling the last flame is canon?
>in the extended age, new dudes take up residence in Lordan to become the new gods and basically rebuild everything to suit their needs
>one of the new guys is a fucking cannibal, digs up all the dead gods CU killed, and eats them
>becomes a giant worm thing
>some dude says enough is enough
>commissions the Unkindled to fuck everybody's shit so the dark age can finally come and restore balance
Is that about right?
>>334485901
>DaS 3 is supposed to be in a fucked up world where the past and future merge and everything comes together.
Except the game doesn't do a good job of expressing it and in fact it's mostly player inferrence and headcanon.
It's just as bad with the pandering as Dark Souls 2, you're just trying harder to justify it.
>>334486024
i never even got a free level from him because i was going to save it for later
>>334486157
It's extremely unlikely Lothran came immediately after Lordran. Lothran is probably the 50th kingdom or something to rise on that spot.
>>334485854
There's 2 Drang NPCs in londo for some reason, a complete Drangleic set in the sunken church and also one of the Oolacile twins' armor is floating around for some reason. Somehow, DS2 went back in time like 5000 years to the point just before Lordran turned to dust.
Though in DS1 they do say that time there is fucked and it bends all over the place chaotically.
>>334485854
What about Karla being the child of darkness
Just like Nash and her sisters?
>>334485425
literally dooming everything to not even exist anymore in the future
what the fuck where you thinking??
>>334486408
I stopped the dumb cycle...
I guess I did right them.
>>334486179
It's literally in the intro
>Where the transitory lands of the Lords of Cinder converge.
>In venturing north the pilgrims discover the truth of the old words.
Anyone else think this is the best hub since the nexus?
There's no lore in dark souls series. Just generic dark medieval fantasy theme with slash and roll gameplay.
>>334486636
>copypaste of nexus layout
>dark firelink maiden has wax on her eyes
they really had me going for a while that DaS is Des prequel
>>334474243
>before DaS III release every souls thread was "Hurr Durr muh deep story"
>this thread now
After all these years I should really learn when to discuss things on /v/.
Anyway, please tell me another timeAldritch isn't Chosen Undead
>>334486523
>Where the transitory lands of the Lords of Cinder converge.
This in itself is extremely vague and could just mean geographically.
>In venturing north the pilgrims discover the truth of the old words.
Doesn't imply that the old worlds are resurging in a weird time warp.
And even if they did clearly send that message, which they don't, two solitary lines is not enough to establish such a significant part of the plot. It should be getting referenced constantly.
>>334486898
No, he's not. Common theory but you realize it's baseless further into the game.
>>334486898
Soul of Cinder exists, therefor Aldrich isn't Cheesy Undude
>>334486790
It's called a reference
There's a dead firekeeper in the back tower with wax on her eyes
>>334480886
It would be interesting if someone compared the maps for Dark Souls 1 and 3 using Anor Londo as a reference point and seeing if any areas match up.
>>334485684
So, Faraam was Gwyn's firstborn?
Theory: The unkindled are the opposite to the hollows.
They are the humanity that was sacrificed to the flame, to kindle the fire. Humanity fed to the flame return when they are needed to save the age of fire as the unkindled.
>>334487197
Why Faraam?
Someone was asking in a previous thread.
Ocelotte was Oceiros's daughter.
>The Queen of Lothric, married to the former King Oceiros, was initially revered as a goddess of fertility and bounty. After giving birth to Ocelotte, her youngest, she quietly disappeared.
Don't know what happened to her, she most likely died and Oceiros is just screaming that stuff about being a daughter of dragons out of his delusions that he's a dragon himself
>>334487236
Faraam armor
'This armor was named after a forgotten God of War'
>>334474689
no, otherwise you'd see it from anor londo. pretty sure it's just a general name for the shrine where the linking of the fire ritual thing starts.
So did the Way of the White get taken over/corrupted by the Cathedral of the Deep or something? That's the vibe I'm getting from the deacon robes descriptions.
I guess after Aldrich ate the gods, they decided to worship him then?
>>334487236
>Nameless king is described as an ancient god of war.
>Faraam's set was named after an ancient god of war
Kinda fits really well together.
>>334487286
Then it's probably it. I mean, theNameless King is undeniably Gwyn's Firstborn. They weren't even trying to be subtle about it.
Whether his name is Faraam is debatable since it's supposedly lost to history.
>>334487306
>otherwise you'd see it from anor londo
hol up. are you telling me that you can see firelink from AL in DS1? I don't remember that, thought that place plus Duke's were like "instanced" because you had to fly there after the Sens fortress boss.
Haven't been keeping up with lore discussion. Do you actually kill Ornstein in DaS2 was that yet again somebody else?
Why are Lorian's and Lothric's souls linked together?
>>334480264
Wrong.
So if Faram/Nameless King was Gwyn's firstborn, then who was Solaire.
>>334487597
Some dude from Astora.
>>334485854
LadderBro Gilligan's corpse is in the game.
>>334487597
Just some shmuck
I don't know why people find this hard to accept
>>334487597
some vaati fanboy.
>>334487597
A knight from Astora and a devout to Faraam.
But most importantlyhe was your friend.
>>334487597
A normal dude who liked the sun
>>334487597
Solaire
>>334487597
>>334487704
>>334487670
he's the guy who would have become the choosen undead if not for the sunlight maggot and you beating him to the punch
he can ever be summoned to fight the last boss
>>334487597
Just some normal dude who got swole as fuck and fought gods.
>>334487597
A really strong motherfucker
>>334487429
The people who wore Faraam armor were known as Lion Knights.
Ornstein, who is the Lion of the four knights, was the firstborn's First Knight.
The firstborn also kind of has a lion's mane type haircut.
>>334487804
>he didn't save him
>>334487516
Guys please I don't know this yet and I want to know it
>>334487874
every time, i open the shortcut,
kill all the maggots
talk to him every time
and his summon sign never appears
it's horseshit
>>334487804
So he's one of the many undead who try to link the flame and fail.
A shmuck
>>334487954
I'm almost certain it was him.
We have confirmation he was an illusion in DaS1, at least.
But some people are still in denial.
>>334487516
>>334487954
Hard to say. But it's definitely more real than the Ornstein you fight in DS1.
My guess is it's either Ornstein corrupted by the abyss (like Artorias was) or it's just his armor being animated by the abyss.
Or it could just be another illusion.
How have the Warriors of Sunlight survived so long?
Since it's Faraam/The Nameless King's covenant, will it disband since he's potentially dead now?
On the same topic, why does killing the Nameless King not break the covenant?
>>334487516
Ornstein and Sough were illusions created by Gwyndolyn in DaS1.
Whatever happened to the real Ornstein and Smough is kinda unknown.
The Old Dragonslayer is just kind of there. The old fart in the cathedral of blue doesn't mention him neither does anyone else in the game and the description of his soul and ring leave it really vague as to if the Old Dragonslayer is the actual Ornstein or if he is just a copycat/descendant of him.
Personally I think that the real Ornstein went on to train other knights to be dragonslayers just as he was and upon his death he handed down the leo ring to the most competent. This cycle of dragonslayers handing down the leo ring continued until DaS2 leaving us with the last dragonslayer who went hollow and took up resident in the blue cathedral for whatever reason.
Unless something is DaS3 completely destroys this theory, of course. I have yet to play the game.
>>334485684
my face was similar; made that bullshit fight worth it
>>334486297
I noticed she said that too but all the other fragments sought out a King. She has the unkindled but you seek her. The others all embodied an aspect of humanity and she doesn't really strike me as an embodiment of anything. My guess would be she only means it in the sense that she's a student of the Dark. I'm fairly certain that "child" wasn't capitalized in the subtitles either.
>>334487197
oh shit good catch. not sure where they got the name from since it was supposedly expunged but it makes sense. could also just be some lost culture's god of war too though.
>>334487597
just a good guy trying to help people and find the sun I guess
>>334488183
>Since it's Faraam/The Nameless King's covenant, will it disband since he's potentially dead now?
you stupid fuck
the nameless king has nothing to do with the sun covenant and allied against his father with the dragons
if anything, he is of the dragon covenant
>>334488157
Or it could just be literally fucking nothing because dark souls 2 doesn't have any actual afterthought behind it and they were just throwing him there for cheap shock values.
>>334488185
The real Ornstein fucked off to find Gwyn's firstborn, whereas it is stated that Smough "stayed behind" to guard the princess which could imply that you kill the real Smough, but not the real Ornstein.
>>334488307
As much as you might not like Dark Souls 2, it's still canon.
So
The maiden at second firelink says something implying a previous undead doing shit, who was she?
>>334488287
http://darksouls.wikidot.com/warrior-of-sunlight
>The Warriors of Sunlight are the followers of the firstborn of the Great Lord Gwyn. They harness the power of sunlight, manifested as lightning powers.
>>334488185
I think DaS 3 supports that theory further
Ornstein went to search Gwyn's firstborn
>>334488389
And as much as you want to try to take it seriously, it's just a rushed game ruined by Namco.
>>334488287
Nigger Dark Souls 1 clearly states that the Warriors of Sunlight are the servants of the firstborn of Gwyn.
>>334488157
>in all three games you never actually see Ornstein
If Old Dragonslayer in DaS2 was an illusion, he wouldn't be corrupted by the abyss. That would be heretical of whoever was making the illusion and would never be allowed.
It's the real Ornstein.
Maybe he set off to find Faraam, but found out about Artorias' fate instead and went down to kick some abyssal shit in, only to get fucked up.
>>334488287
Lightning is literally associated with the sun in the games
>>334488536
>>334488443
They're servants of Gwyn.
Not Gwyn's firstborn.
They're a SUN covenant, not a WAR covenant.
>retards
>>334487570
Because they're twins.
>>334485854
There are a lot of dark souls 2 references and items in the game.
The fallen knight set are the drakebloods after they disbanded, the old drakeblood set itself is also in the game.
Ladder guy is in the game, as a corpse.
There are items that directly reference Vendrick and his kingdom, like the shield of want and the dragonrider greatbow.
There are two drangleic knights outside of Anor Londo.
And probably other things.
>>334487516
>>334487954
I can't remember what item it is(maybe it was the leo ring) that says that Ornstein just left in search of his king, the Ornstein you fight in Dark Souls 1 is just an illusion.
It probably means, and i'm just assuming, that the Ornstein you fight in Dark Souls 2 is the real one.
In 3, you fight "The Dragonslayer armor" which resembles him, i don't remember the item descriptions for that though, but it's just an armor controlled by some flying tree monsters.
>>334488157
>>334488380
That makes no sense, since you get his soul when you kill him.
>>334488576
It might not be an illusion but it doesn't mean it's the real Ornstein
>>334488682
>Literally disregarding item descriptions and then calling other people retards
>>334487436
you can see the huge ass wall of anal rodeo which you get carried to the top of.
>>334488576
If that were true, why would Ornstein's armor, ring and weapon be found in Archdragon peak after killing Nameless King? Why would his armor be back to being Gold after it turned black in DaS2? Not to mention the Leo ring being restored after it was faded in DaS2
>>334488682
Are you just pretending to be retarded?
http://darksouls.wikidot.com/sunlight-medal
>The symbol represents Lord Gwyn's firstborn,
who lost his deity status and was expunged
from the annals. But the old God of War
still watches closely over his warriors.
The item description literally confirms it, along with other things.
>>334488694
Not if you kill Smough last, which appears to be the "canon" result of the battle.
>>334488786
Show me the item description that says they were followers of the firstborn.
They're followers of Gwyn and the sun. Always have been.
>>334488380
If we assume that Faraam is Gwyn's firstborn based on armor descriptions, and with the Faraam set being in Drangleic, I think it could be assumed that Ornstein followed the Faraam knights around until he hollowed in Drangleic.
The smough you fight being the real smough with the Ornstein being fake also helps to paint Smough's murder of Ornstein if you "kill" Ornstein first in a bit of a better light considering that Ornstein was only an illusion, which Smough probably knew.
>>334488453
If so, then I guess we'll never know if The Old Dragonslayeer was really Ornstein or not.
>>334488157
>>334488154
>>334488576
But why is Ornstein's armor at Nameless King's place? It says that he went to go find Gwyn's firstborn, which he must've done considering that you find HIS armor at Archdragon Peak. This either implies that Nameless King either killed him or Ornstein just dumped his armor on the ground and fucked off.
>>334488710
You only get the soul of the person you kill last. Sorry Smough.
>>334474243
I have no idea how they can make the serpents so obviously important characters to the lore but then just drop em. I hope DLC gives some more insight.
maybe they just want to leave them as kind of the religious allegory of serpents who try to pull the good guy in shitty directions for their own ends.
>>334488880
How does it appear to be the canon result exactly? You know, outside of it being convenient to your theory.
>>334488834
Ah, I must have forgotten that or never seen it. I take it back then.
Although that made a looot more sense back when we thought Solaire was the firstborn. I highly doubt this dragon rights activist is gonna care what this covenant is doing.
>>334488884
http://darksouls.wikidot.com/sunlight-medal
>>334488942
Considering you fight his armor, it's more likely that he just left it and fucked off.
You shouldn't be so literal with these things, you get his armor as a thing you can wear because it's a popular set from dark souls 1 and people complained that it wasn't in dark souls 2.
Is there any connection between the shells on the pilgrims and the cloth bump the starter cleric wears?
>>334487570
Cause they are lovers
>>334488942
If that was intended to be Ornstein's corpse, they would have made a much bigger deal out of it.
I've said this a thousand times, but you always find armor sets on corpses in Souls games and they are almost never the corpses of the actual owners of the armor.
>>334488453
What indicates he went to look for him other than his spear being up there? If that's the only evidence it's possible another warrior brought it there like someone brought Havel's stuff up there.
>>334488556
he's also the only one of Gwyn's Knights that you don't get to talk to if you count Artorias' cut dialogue.
>>334488694
Sentinels also give souls, and they're obviously illusions as they disappear once Anor Londo goes dark
>>334489025
Solaire was not ever meant to be the first-born at any stage.
The first-born was meant to be Andre but it got cut. Solaire's armour description in 1 even goes out of it's way to tell you he isn't some kind of god.
>>334489015
Because dark souls 3 literally says that Ornstein fucked off and that Smough was the last knight guarding the cathedral.
>>334489009
there are man serpents in the dragon's keep and the walls are covered in murals of the serpents
>>334489080
>Considering you fight his armor
that's not his armor
>>334488828
Maybe Ornstein had his own league of knights that resembled him?
>>334487985
Then you're doing something wrong.
Summoned Solaire tanks Gwyn like a motherfucking champ.
>>334489170
Where?
>>334488183
>implying he's actually dead
>thinking that the whole ordeal isn't in your head as you meditate on the ledge
>>334489080
>You shouldn't be so literal with these things, you get his armor as a thing you can wear because it's a popular set from dark souls 1 and people complained that it wasn't in dark souls 2.
This.
We get to wear Gough's armor in Dark Souls 1 and he's a literal fucking giant. With giant-sized armor.
>>334489149
>What indicates he went to look for him other than his spear being up there? If that's the only evidence it's possible another warrior brought it there like someone brought Havel's stuff up there.
An item description states it outright. 'Ornstein left in search of Gwyn's firstborn'
'Ornstein was the first knight of Gwyn's firstborn'
READ
THE
LORE
>>334489015
Because one of the items says that while Ornstein fucked off, Smough stayed behind to guard the princess. This could mean that the Smough you kill is the real deal.
Don't ask me for evidence
>>334489131
>>334489080
>>334489241
But there is no corpse, which is why I suggested that Ornstein gave up and just threw his armour away. Why would it say that he traveled to find the firstborn then dump his armour at Archdragon Peak if they didn't intend anything of it?
>>334488556
What a legend.
>>334489202
He did have his own league of knights. They were called the Dragonslayers. But they were silver knights in appearance.
That's why you have the Dragonslayer Bow wielding silver knights.
>>334487516
My thoughts
>DaS
Illusion
>Das2
Descendent or someone that carries on the legacy or whatever
>Das3
Sent by Gwyn to find firstborn to use as fuel for the flame, he says no, they fight, ornstein loses and that's whyour his armour is below the boss battle
>>334489314
What item is that cock cowboy?
>>334484197
I assume the sealing came before they worshipped the deep. We know the Way of White is what became the religion of the Cathedral, so that's an incredibly old religion to begin with, one whose gods and figures are all gone at this point. It's worth considering that a religion like that might turn to the very entity that devoured their gods, especially considering the resemblance.
>>334489354
Maybe Ornstein renounced his knighthood after seeing what had happened to Gwyn's firstborn?
As such, he discarded everything that had to do with his knighthood, including his armor.
>>334489354
>Why would it say that he traveled to find the firstborn then dump his armour at Archdragon Peak if they didn't intend anything of it?
Armor gets dumped in random places all the time.
You buy Artorias' armor in Dark Firelink. Why? because he went there? No, because Dark Firelink is vaguely related to the abyss and so is Artorias, so it's close enough.
If Ornstein went there and didn't die, you can bet your ass every fucking dragon in that entire area would be dead.
>>334489235
http://darksouls3.wiki.fextralife.com/Smough's+Great+Hammer
Apparently i can't find or remember where it says that Ornstein fucked off though, so whatever.
>>334486205
I figured it was stupid to take the free level immediately when SL costs were at ~4k if I could use it immediately prior to entering NG+ when a SL cost around ~200k or so.
>Punished for not being impulsive.
>>334485124
What in the fuck
That thing is unnerving as fuck
I haven't even played DS3 yet but I'm spooped
>>334489401
Perhaps the high ranking Knight's were given an armor that resembles Ornstein's but was different in color?
>>334489131
>but you always find armor sets on corpses in Souls games
These items are just dropped on the floor. There's no corpse by them since you find them scattered in 3 separate places on the bridge.
>>334489401
>>334489202
>>334489553
Soul of the Dragonslayer Armour. One of the twisted souls, steeped in strength.
Use to acquire many souls, or transpose to extract its true strength.
The Dragonslayer Armour, controlled by the Pilgrim Butterfly, lost its master long ago, but still remembers their sporting hunts.
>>334489553
It wasn't different in color, it was just faded due to the abyss. I really don't think they would have given one of Ornstein's underlings a perfect replica of his armor set, which is very personalized.
You guys are putting too much thought into this Ornstein thing.
In the armored core series there's a boss called nine-ball that is emblematic of the series, a lot of armored core games don't take place in the same universe and yet he keeps showing up.
Ornstein is that 9-ball of the souls series and chances are high that he'll keep showing up in some shape or form.
>>334484197
>>334489471
Forgot to mention, we don't really know enough about the Dancer/Vordt/Sulyvahn to make any specific decisions about whether or not to consider them Abyss/Deep creatures; Sulyvahn is associated with the corrupted Way of White, and thus Aldrich, but it's unclear the method by which the Eyes of the Pontiff turn them into monsters. We have to remember this world has a lot of ways to turn men into beasts, so let's not jump to conclusions.
>>334489627
Meaning?
>>334489627
Ah, so Ornstein did have knights that resembled him?
That description could be pertaining top two things:
>The armor lost it's wielder and remember hunting dragons with it's owner
or
>The Dragonslayer lost his master but still remembers their hunt together
I think From is leaving Ornstein's status as alive or dead completely up in the air.
>>334489752
Gold doesn't fade to grey, and besides, where was any abyss near where you find him, in the blue cathedral?
>>334489769
I think Sulyvan is just a massive dick, i mean, he literally threw Gwyndolin into the room with Aldrich so he was devoured. That's like throwing a kid to the lions.
Did the abyss watchers all link the fire at the same time?
Why is there a portrait of Nashandra in the same room where there is a portrait of Gwynevere with the Silver Knights?
Why is becoming the king of Londor important? What is Londor?
What is an unkindled? Why can't they normally hollow?
Oh and finally, Yhorm is the guy who showed up in Drangleic after the Bearer of the Curse fucked off at the end of DaS2. He found no foes at the throne of want because Nashandra was already dead and your character left after realizing the futility of becoming king
>>334489510
Armor gets dumped in random places, but the item description for Ornstein's armour specifically mention that Ornstein went to look for Faraam (which I guess is what we're calling Nameless King now.)
I don't think there's any sense in believing that the devs just dumped the armour at Archdragon Peak and then gave a fitting story as to why it should even be there in the first place. It's not a "random place" when the item descriptions give it a lore-related reason for belonging there.
>>334489756
That's Patches, not Ornstein.
>>334474689
nah I'm thinking it is the old location of the kiln of thefirst flame.
>>334480168
this
>>334489875
Nah, he just threw the japanese ladyboy to the tentacle beast. It was his fetish
>>334485124
From the descriptions of the weapons they drop, it looks like they're failed dragon/human hybrids. Between them and the praying mat with the dragon acolytes, it seems there was a pretty high interest in pursuing the path of the dragon in Irithyll's dungeon at the very least.
The Rock says know your lore and SHUT YOUR DAMN MOUTH!
>>334489875
I felt really bad for what happened to Gwyndolin. I really wanted to meet him in this game. Such a lowly way for a god to die.
>>334489885
What happened to the bearer of the curse after DaS2?
Is there anything in DaS3 that relates to him?
>>334489853
>Gold doesn't fade to grey, and besides, where was any abyss near where you find him, in the blue cathedral?
Mate, he fucking has abyssal attacks. He was corrupted by the abyss and his armor got fucked up. Same as Artorias.
>The Dragonslayer lost his master but still remembers their hunt together
The phrasing very clearly means the armor lost its wielder, not the dragonslayer himself.
The fact that there is the Dragonslayer Armor in Dark Souls 3 does not mean he had knights that resembled it. It could mean that is his literally his armor and its master, Ornstein, is gone now.
>>334490016
Dragon cock?
>>334489918
No, Patches like the moonlight sword is in more than one series, Patches is also in demon's souls and bloodborne.
>>334490052
Good question, there's nothing that relates to him
>>334489875
Oh he definitely is, we have plenty of evidence to make that case. It's possible he was the cause of the shift from Way of White to worship of Aldrich.
>>334488227
Kill her and get ash
>The spurned child of the Abyss never dies, but phases in and out of its fringes. Only, there is no one to search for her any longer.
Hopes for dlc?
More time travel, maybe 4 Knights
More lord of hallows stuff
>>334490056
If Ornstein was corrupted before DaS2, how did he still have the will to search for the firstborn before DaS3?
>>334490035
Agreed, I got kind of triggered by it. Couldn't stop envisioning Gwyndolin being reduced to a screaming, begging mess as he was eaten.
I think I'm sensitive about high and mighty figures being defiled in grotesque or base ways. I seriously felt sick and got so fucking mad.
>>334490114
>>334490052
Well, either he is DLC or he is high king skeleton wolnir or whatever his name is.
Pick your poison.
psssh, nuthin personell lady
>>334490214
Why would he be Wolnir?
What evidence is there for that?
>>334490196
Ornstein left to find Faraam before the Ornstein and Smough boss fight. That leaves plenty of time for him to get sidetracked and end up getting corrupted by the abyss before Dark Souls 2.
>>334480886
So why aren't the areas all interconnected anymore?!?!?
>>334489009
>I have no idea how they can make the serpents so obviously important characters to the lore but then just drop e
They served their purporse
They want age of darkness and Yuria their servant, what else do you need?
>>334490207
I pretty much killed Aldrich with a sense of revenge due to it. Nigga you just don't kill iconic dark souls 1 characters like that or I'm gonna fuck your shit up.
>>334490291
But how does his armor end up in two places?
>>334490262
http://darksouls3.wiki.fextralife.com/Wolnir's+Crown
>Crown of Wolnir, the Carthus conqueror.
>Once upon a time, such things were bequeathed judiciously to each of the rightful lords, until Wolnir brought them to their knees, and ground their crowns to dust. Then the crowns became one
Remember the crown dlcs?
>>334488485
Doesn't make it any less canon
So who was this guy before Navlaan/the sentient sorcery that calls itself Navlaan took over his body?
Was it Aldia? I know Aldia is a giant flaming tree head but that's just his soul, not his body.
Was it Olenford?
Some unnamed sorcerer?
Why is his skin blue? Is he a fenito?
>>334487436
no, in DAS1 you only see the wall from anor londo, but you can actually see sens fortress from the top of the wall (the demon bird things literally just carry you up a couple hundred meters from sens fortress), and we know firelink shrine isn't very far from sens fortress geographically. you would be able to see it (or at least the undead burg) if the wall wasn't there.
in anor londo, however, there isn't even anything remotely in the same location. the dukes archives location was well preserved, as you find out later in the game, lothric was basically built on top of it. the other side, where sens fortress and everything was there is literally nothing for some reason. no other towns, no rubble, just the icy mountains that rose up from there in the meantime somehow.
so the original firelink shrine is definitely gone.
>>334490207
>>334490315he also ate nitoand maybe priscilla
>>334490325
I don't know, how can I fight Artorias while dressed as Artorias?
Could it be that the in-game wearable armor sets shouldn't be taken too seriously from a lore perspective?
Could it be that Gough's armor would never actually fit me, but does anyway because From knows I want to dress as my favorite characters?
>>334490409
WUT
which items say this?
>>334490193
It's going to be something related to the primordial serpents I bet
>>334490340
Actually, yeah, I remember reading this and thinking the same. I'd forgotten about it since.
I don't know though, it seems to be referring to Carthus specifically. We should find a picture of Wolnir and compare it to the DLC crown.
>>334490418
Could it be that the Old Dragonslayer wasn't Ornstein, but was just a knight who resembled him and was so honored to have been given the leo ring?
>>334488078
Miyazaki confirms he succeeds in his own world. He's a player, just like you.
God damn this Ornstein shit is confusing as hell.
>>334490409
He didn't eat Nito. Chosen Undead killed Nito and took his soul and used it to link the fire. There's literally nothing to eat after that.
Was the Ornstein guarding the princess an illusion? It said he went after his Master and died trying to bring him back, and on Smough armor it say that he was the last knight standing guard over anor londo
>>334490340
Would that make the Pilgrims of Dark the canon covenant then?
>>334490315
I'm glad to know I'm not the only one who had a visceral reaction to it. I actually spent a few days killing Aldrich Faithful to avenge Gwyndolin, and I wasn't even a Darkmoonfag to begin with. Stay strong, anon.
>>334490409
>>334490453
Ignore the shit about him eating Nito, it gets brought up and debunked every single thread but people keep saying it anyway.
And he dreamt of the Darkmoon covenant girl, not Priscilla.
>>334490409
He didn't
No evidence about Nito at all(and CU killed him anyway)
He dreamt and jerked off on the Priscilla and made miracle because of it
If he ate her, then he would use real deal and not just imitation
Wouldn't Lothric just be a seperate section of Londor or whatever from the first game?
>>334490453
Well in the case of Nito no item says that, but he is using the gravelord sword at the top of his spear and his theme also incorporates nito's theme just like it incorporates Gwyndolin's, not to mention his body has dangling skeletons just like nito's.
In the case of Priscilla, you get the lifehunt scythe miracle from Aldrich's soul, and the descriptions says:
http://darksouls3.wiki.fextralife.com/Lifehunt+Scythe
>Aldrich dreamt as he slowly devoured the God of the Darkmoon. In this dream, he perceived the form of a young, pale girl in hiding.
So it doesn't say he ate her, but you know, it's theoretically possible that he went after her too.
>>334490186
neat guess she is a Shard of Manus seems strange to have something so big in there so casually
>>334490035
yeah I feel like one of the DLC should elaborate on how one eats a God
>>334490562
Christ, we're going in circles. We need some kind of lore bulletin board so we don't end up going over the same shit over and over.
>>334490621
Anor Londo is on the Boreal Valley, the Boreal valley isn't that close to Lothric.
>>334490562
It never said that he died, just that he went looking for the firstborn.
>>334490626
>Aldrich dreamt as he slowly devoured the God of the Darkmoon. In this dream, he perceived the form of a young, pale girl in hiding.
it's yorshka
IT'S
Y O R S H K A
>>334480079
you can't be human
they cover your entire head in wax which would make it impossible to breath in the new duke's archives.
>>334487174
the city of lothric was built just over dukes archives, it's pretty obvious when you see it from anor londo (or when you get to a certain area at the end of the game). however I have no idea what that building in between the boreal valley and lothric is supposed to be that you can see from anor londo.
where there used to be sens fortress and undead burg, theres just literally nothing. at least not visible from anor londo
>>334490674
Well, Aldrich literally, physically ate them. As in, he bit them, chewed them, swallowed them, and slowly digested them.
>>334490813
>Scythe that steal life
>Yorska
>>334484197
>inb4 lovecraftian 'terror of the deep' expansion that connects bloodborne with the souls universe
>>334490813
Yorshka doesn't have a lifehunt scythe.
>>334490864
Poor Gwyndolin
:_:
>>334490864
SO HERE'S A FUCKING THOUGHT
When we see Aldrich emerging from his grave in the opening cinematic, he doesn't have Gwyndolin in his mouth.
Meaning Gwyndolin got eaten literally around the same time as we were playing through the tutorial area, since the Lords and Unkindled wake up together.We could have saved him if we were just a little faster.
>>334485484
also has lots of DeS references in terms of gameplay and level structure.
The hell do I go after abyss watchers and deacons?
Cleared up some side stuff like the fire link tower and found rosaries bed chamber but not sure if I've missed something
