So I just beat vtmb for the first time, let's have an obligatory vampire threadFUCK ming Xiao that fight was awful. I just circle strafed her and emptied every round I had while stopping to kill the little assholes and quicksaving like a birch.the sheriff fight was sick and the perfect difficulty, but how the hell would you kill the bat if you weren't doing a gun focused build?I let Heather die and I feel awful ;_;if the messarch was just a dead old corpse then who slaughtered everyone on the Dane? The kuei-jin agents? If they stole the key at that point why the hell didn't they just steal the sarcophagus then? Weren't they also in league with lacroix at that time? Also when did Jack open the coffin and pull that switcharoo? Before the kuei-jin raided the Dane?
Also some kinda non-spoilery questions:
I played on WSEPs 9.2 and checked the restore cut content option, what did that add in? What got cut out of the final game?
I'm interested in The final nights and in antritbu, how are they different and which is better? Also is the clan quest mod worth trying and does it work with TFN?
>>332194654
Also why does best girl never get mentioned in these threads? I wish she was more involved in the game. I know she's included in the companion mod and the companion mod is bundled into antribu, is it compatible with TFN?
Can't comment too much about the game itself,
but I'll just leave this starting guide for the rookies out there.
>>332194654
Jack was the one who raided the Dane before it arrived, remember he was a pirate before the embrace.
>who slaughtered everyone on the Dane?Jack did.
>Also when did Jack open the coffin and pull that switcharoo?Right before you went onto the Dane. The Kuei-jin were never on the Dane, only Jack.
>we will never get newline games
>not even licensed out to another studio
Blood and Smoke has so much potential, too.
The only thing I didn't like about this game is how rushed the Chinese Vampire were, and most importantly how you have no real reasonto join Ming Xiao.
>>332195279
>>332195268That makes sense now. But then when did the key get swiped? And if Lacroix had the coffin and the kuei-jin had the key and were in league why didn't they just open it? I'm guessing by the time lacroix finally got it the kuei-jin decided they didn't wanna play ball?
>>332195739
I'm not sure when the key was stolen or if it's even addressed, but if I remember correctly the archeologist the Society of Leopold captured had it, so I'd assume that the Kuei-Jin stole it from him before his capture
>>332196217
I thought at some point lacroix said it was in a box that was listed on the cargo manifest but wasn't found on the Dane.
Obligatory
DON'TSTOP THINKING ABOUT TOMORROW
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>>332195739
>>332195739
>>332195739
Basicallywhen the Kue-jin got the key they didn't need to play ball with Lacroix any more they could just demand a bigger deal from him instead of the scraps they would of gotten if Lacroix's plan went unhitched.
>>332196217
>>332196539Jack had the key at some point, we know this because he opened it to get the corpse out, it's not a stretch to think that he dropped it outside of the Kue-jin's temple knowing it would stir chaos by starting a war between the Camarilla and the Kuei Jin who are the two biggest enemies to the Anarchs in the Free State of LA.
>>332196846
Gotcha. That makes a lot of sense. I beat the game at 2 in the morning and if I hadn't been so tired and asked more questions I could've pieced it together better
So /v/ Camarilla or Anarchs?
>>332197895
Cammy but under a better Prince than Lacroix. I'd also start using the Merit based ranked system from the Anarchs rather than the Age based one the Cammies use now.
>>332197895
I like the camarilla a lot. Vamps couldn't survive without the masquerade enforced. I think the anarch's ideals wouldn't work on a large scale. Giving blood sucking monsters that much freedom without enforcing laws on them would be a disaster. That said I did like all the anarch members, and lacroix is a backstabbing powerhungry asshole. What Jack or nines said about the camarilla just being about 5-10 higher ups staying in power while using everyone below them to maintain their position does seem true. I'd want the camarilla to run things but I'd stay out of their way and do my own thing.
Okay guys, you convinced me to start another playthrough. First I was Tremere, now I want to try Malkavian. Any tips?
>>332194654
Why did Gary make such a big deal about looking like a monster when he's the most normal looking Nosferatu in the game?
I wanted to suck Nines' dick so bad.
He was my knight in shining armor.
>>332198772
Same with Imalia, the both used to be rather attractive and now they are the opposite. Gary kinda revels in it while Imalia can't quite accept it.
>>332198698
Malkies are good for stealth because obfuscate. Also the conversation options are pretty hilarious so don't skip out on any of them.
>>332198996
He just says "are you surrrre you wanna see my face it's really fucked up" and then he looks way less weird than Bertram or Kanker. It was disappointing. Also I wish you couldcuddle up withimalia
>>332198698
Don't let the STOP sign STOP you.
>>332199282
Yeah Fuck that stop sign.
Ending Power RankingsIndependent > Camarilla > Anarch > LaCroix > Kuei-Jin
you can blind the sheriff with the spotlights so he'll crash
>>332200592
To be honest,the LaCroix ending is great because you're just like him and you both get what's coming.
>>332200992
Oh shit I didn't know that. I was too busy emptying AUG rounds into the sky
>>332197895
Sabbat. Not only the true anarchs but also the only ones who wants to stop Gehenna.
Also OP, you can blind and force the bat to the ground.
>>332194961
>closest you can get to stopping time involves being a dindu nuffin with celerity
>doesn't have domination
>Ventrue has literally every power I want except from celerity
Fuck this gay earth.
>>332201851
Go Toreador then. And the only ones who can stop time are the True Brujah with their Temporis discipline, but they aren't in the game only in the pnp.
>>332202008
If one True Brujah stops time does another True Brujah stop time as well
>>332202008
I did in my first playthrough, but I don't remember Celerity being an option. Perhaps I was playing one of the overhaul patches that fucked with everything.
>>332202240
Toreador have Celerety as one of their main disciplines. Only them and Brujah has innate Celerety, but Gangrel can get it as well during late game with Beckett.
I like to have my Vampires pick their faction based on Clan and the NPCs in the game.
Ventrue: The only Ventrue in the game is LaCroix. Faction: LaCroix
Gangrel: Turns out that Skelter is a Gangrel, but you never find out in-game. The slasher is a Gangrel, but meh. So, I go the same route as the remaining one- Becker. Faction: Independent.
Brujah: Nines, Jack, Damsel, the answer is obvious here. Faction: Anarch
Tremere: Only one other Tremere in the game, Strauss. Faction: Camarilla
Toreador: Baron Isaac Abrams, Velvet Velour, Ash Rivers, all Anarch. Shame, because I generally associate this clan with the Camarilla: Faction: Anarch.
Nosferatu: One of only two clans that actually have a Camarilla Primogen, and this one at least has several Camarilla members. Gary, Tung, Imalia, Barabus, Mitnick, etc. Faction: Camarilla
Malkavian: There WAS a Camarilla Primogen (Alistair Grout) but you never get to meet him. And there IS an Anarch Baron (Therese/Jeanette), and since she has a Ghoul too (Vandal)... Faction: AnarchAnd no one goes Kuei-Jin because that's stupid as fuck.
It was all Jack.
I really liked the game but the combat was worse than Fallout 3.
>>332202594
Really? I know beckett helps you with disciplines if you're gangrel but he actually teaches you another?
>>332203715
>not using Dominate / Dementation / Thaumaturgy / Animalism / Protean to trivialize combat for the whole game
Funny though, in TT most of those are shit while Potence and Celerity are the good ones.
>The latest unofficial patch came out on 3/22/16
I fucking love the community behind this game.
>>332203878
Yes, he teaches you after you finally get the sarcophagus. Although you might need the plus patch, not just the one who correct bugs.
>>332199165
Try to talk with him as toreador.
>>332200592
> tremere raiders of the lost arc > independent > all>>>> Sabbat
>>332194961
Oh shit I finished the game without seeing this image. Did a stupid social malkavian. Everything after chinatown gets unbeatable.
Also sorry but the only the first 1/3 of the game is really good.
>>332194654
>how the hell would you kill the bat if you weren't doing a gun focused build?
Just blind that shit with lights and then burn it with flamethrower. You don't even need to know firearms for that. At least in the vanilla version that was true.
>>332206074
How do you get money to buy fuel for the flametrower? Money was really short the entire game if I remember.
>>332206243
> not being Undead Rockefeller
>Enter the Internet Cafe for the tape quest
>music has changed, this is playing instead
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrGmuInMc0o
>mfw
Scariest moment of the game desu, fuck the ocean house
>>332206243
money for guns.... lol i never used guns i punch shit to death. flying bat man was no difference even in the AIR ALL I DID WAS PUT CHEATS FOR FLYING AND Went on punching the guy hehehehehahahahahahhHAHHAHHHAHAHAHHAHA
>>332206808
>Scariest moment of the game
Yeah it's prettydisturbed and twisted.
>>332206243
I don't remember really. But I always had at least $1000 by the final taxi ride sequence, even without a single point in haggle. Hint is: you better loot guns separately to sell them for more money, without stacking ammo.
>>332206808
I was much more scared of that running little assfaces. Holy shit.
>>332206934
Are you okay, anon?
>>332207235
I needed to use many cheats to finish the game, after chinatown everything got to hard for me. Without cheats I would have 2 or 3 rounds of fuel them I would need to choose between the building, warform, ming xiao or sheriff.
Are there lewds or lewd mods for this?
>>332207290
http://ytcropper.com/cropped/YH56f8399982afd
>>332198772
>Why did Gary make such a big deal about looking like a monster when he's the most normal looking Nosferatu in the game?
>when he's the most normal looking Nosferatu in the game
Because he was one of the most beautiful people in the world, too.
>>332194961
do these mods include the HD textures that guy hand made? I have tons of those but not all of them.
>>332206243
Do you regularly go for your paycheck to Club Confession?
I used to go there like after every second quest and by the end of the game I had at leask 3 K unspent.
im in my second playtrough since a lot of years. I remeber the encounter whit pic related, but not he part ofShe calling in a public phone (masquerade violation) and then she follow me everywhere.
Should i kill her or what?
THESE BROKEN WALLS TRAP ME INSIDE
>>332208069
I'MISOLATED
>>332207959
WHAT?
>>332207535
You can fuck a cemetery's caretaker. He also tells you that fucking a vampire is like fucking a cold dead body - not very entertaining at all.
The answer is no.
Lacroix did nothing wrong.
>>332207969
I think you can just punch her to make her go away.
>>332207535
>>332208195
There actually are mods for making some characters naked but they're mostly terrible.
>>332207969
Tell her you are a turtle.
>>332207969
>>332207969
If you kill her you loose humanity, if you don't it's a masquerade violation.
There are other ways to stop her but they're clan dependent.
>>332204957
Oh shit the updated patch is out? Should probably finish my malk run, and then go on to do my Henshin Gangrel run
>>332208587
You can persuade her if your character is capable.
This is still the scariest scene in video game history
>>332207969
Who the hell is that?
>>332208751
This, Ocean House, and pick related got to me more then most modern horror games
>>332205592
That fanfic patch stuff?
>>332208751
The scariest thing was that you can't move during this cutscene until like it is almost too late to run at all.
>>332208751
You do know that you can kill it right?
>>332208812
Its a random encounter part of the game.She says she's someone from before you were turned, who has been looking for you since that night. Kind of a one-off reminder that your character might have had a life before some vampire fucked it all up (or improved it)
>>332207914
^
someone answer this plz
>>332208923
WHAT?! I've only played this game recently, and I ran like a bitch the entire time.
>>332209056
>>332209056
Turn on the electricity and kill it with the telescope doors.
>>332194654
>not playing tremere easily killing the bosses with blood magicmy first playthrough was as a toreador putting most points into social skills, holy fuck those last 3 bosses were a pain[/spoiler ]
>>332209126
Well shit, guess I have a new goal to aim for
>>332208195
You can also fuck Jeanette.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rsuhyq4NK8
It's not even a mod, it's part of the core game and voice acted.
>>332208886
> fanfic patch
no
>>332208943
Ooooooooh that makes sense. I ran into someone that said that and since I was ventrue I used my dominate to wipe her mind and tell her she doesn't know me. That part was like, Sad actually for some reason. The idea that my character had a life before all this and it got dredged up, but I had to tell her to forget everything about me and keep going.
>>332209185
First playthrough as Tremere was golden. Making people explode by endgame was pure joy
>>332208840
I like the sign on the wall next to it. The raptor scared the piss out of me, and the sign says that he got scared from the prank too.
>>332194654
>the sheriff fight was sick and the perfect difficulty, but how the hell would you kill the bat if you weren't doing a gun focused build?
Just use the lights and deal with him however once he's on the ground.
>>332205592
A very new mage would get decimated by about everything on that list. Infinite potential is useless when you are just starting out.
>>332208151
The bartender at the Club Confession gives you the quest to help her obtain the full onwership of the bar.
If you do, she will make you a co-owner or something like that and she will offer to pay you regularly your share of the profit.
>>332209212
You can't join the Sabbat in the game though.
>>332209358
not him, but you fucked up
>>332209358
The joke is that she goes "WHAT? I CAN'T HEAR YOU" when you talk to her.
The laughs we had when I discovered all game soundtracks were mp3 files in a specific folder and swapped the street chase for that benny hill music..
>>332209126
FUCK, I could never manage to do that because he either slipped through the door before it closed or managed to pass through it so I just thought that wasn't possible
the previous V:TM game is underrated as fuck imo
>>332209126
>Celerity 5
Shit is way too fun. I probably should dredge up my gunnut Toreador
>>332207969
You can just bite her before she can make the call, run away and she will forget about it. No humanity lost and no Masquerade violation. A domination discipline like Trance should work too, if you have it
>>332197895
Sabbat gives safety to your average vampire, but you basically can't progress anywhere because vampires older than you hold all important positions. Sabbat is much dangerous because it's a sect of idiotic shovelheads and detached elders, but it gives immeasurable room to capable s they can progress because Sabbat is always lacking "middle management", so to speak. And you can always settle shit with a ritual duel so that's handy if you know how to play your cards right.
>>332209458
>he sided with the Russians for the flat $1000
You make more by siding with Venus, senpai.
>>332209402
Not much of a loss really. Sabbat in this game is just a bunch of imbeciles and fools.
>>332209458
>>332209471
Fml, it's been a while for me to catch the reference.
>>332205592
Man, not this chart again. It's reductionist as fuck. Mages get eviscerated if they don't have prep time. Werewolves alphas are above elders. True Fae are irrelevant and it doesn't even include Wraith or Mummy.
>>332209192
>>332209518
>>332209607
>if the messarch was just a dead old corpse then who slaughtered everyone on the Dane?Jack did. He is an incredibly ancient Elder Vampire with a huge network of agents and servitors and a vast wealth of knowledge and experience. He even knew who the Vampire corpse was and addressed it by name like he knew him personally.Jack is easily and by fucking far the most powerful being you encounter in the entire game.
>>332205592
Archmages are way stronger than Cain. Cain can't even get rid of his own curse. Archmages can cure vampirism.
>>332209623
You meant camarilla for the first one, right?
Anyway, my city is apparently a Sabbat location. Oh well.
>>332209714
This. While they may have a more subtle approach in the PnP (never played/read it) In-game they're just a bunch of power-happy fools from what I saw.
Just a reminder about how good voice acting in that game was.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSFtnVGSY00
>>332209126
>dead
His eyes are actually still following you. Just waiting for that regeneration to kick.
>>332209579
I get why they had to force you into a single character and clan, and the game was good despite it, but still... I get tired of Brujah.
>tfw you'll never get to play as a Tzimisce
>>332209948
...I'll watch for that when I try this. Would make sense that he was just immobilized by the doors
>>332208256
He did everything wrong.
>>332209829
Pretty sure he'sjust a pirate from the olden Age of Sail.Although, age isn't everything as far as vampires go.
>>332208840
Too bad it works only with 4:3 resolutions.
>>332209829
Jack isn't actually that powerfull vampire wise. He's a wily coyote type of deal. The Sheriff is the principal reason Lacroix doesn,t get fucked by Nines and the Anarchs. And Strauss being some century older could probably fuck with Jack too. Jack is pretty high gen for his age.
>>332210007
Tzimisce with a head on his shoulders, you mean.
>>332210093
>age isn't everything
Isn't that basically the whole sticking point behind the player character in the game? You BTFO vampires with a good 100 years on you
>>332209872
In PnP they're pretty based. Most of the Kindred don't believe in Cain and the Antedeluvians, but they do. Probably because their principle two clans the Lasombra and Tzimisce have actually risen up and diablerized their Antedeluvians.
So, while the Final Nights are nigh and the Camarilla are all pretending everything is fine, the Sabbat are preparing for the end.
>>332199165
He used to be beautiful
>>332209579
BEST GAME FUCK YES
>>332209872
>>332210214
Nah, Sabbats are seen as idiots because that's exactly what you see 90% of the time. Elders don't really risk their lives and shovel heads are not your equivalent to average Camarilla vampire. They're just morons who might, MIGHT get a chance to get fully elevated and trained by someone if they A) live long enough and B) do something of note. Your full-fledged new vampires are rarer in Sabbat because their elders remember really well how THEY acquired power in the first place - by diablerizing their predecessors. Or that's what they think, at least.
>>332209829
Dude, Jack is 10th gen and not even an elder. He IS powerful for his age, but not above the Sheriff.
Also, archmages are overrated as fuck. The theoretical few who exist have to hang out in the umbra to even exist, and the ones present in canon are all fairly weak compared to antediluvians. Sure, there's technically no limit to their potential, but that means fuck-all in the practical sense.
>>332210214
Funny part is that for all their preparation they both get fucked mighty hard.
>>332194654
guys what is the best mods for this game. i have beaten it and want to play it again
i want to bang that bloody bitch in the hospital basement. Is she an waifu?
>>332210206
Nah, Generation matters more than Age.
A thousand year old 14th Gen is still pretty shit next to a 10 year old 5th Gen.
>>332209343
Not really
>>332209402
You can
So would any other supernatural entities ever help/work with Vampires? Not just werewolves, but faetouched/mages/whatever
>>332210183
>The Sheriff is the principal reason Lacroix doesn,t get fucked by Nines and the Anarchs.
In part, yes But also because MUH POLITICS. Books make it clear that becoming a Prince isn't usually the hard part, it's actually staying in power and keeping the system going. You can't just go whacking people in charge.
>>332210551
You may try clan quest mod.
>>332210613
Yep.
>>332210007
The Darkness is obviously a Lasombra, not Tzimisce.
>>332210206
Yeah, but that's never really explained. There are plenty of theories though, like the taxi driver fixing things.
>>332210651
No you can't.
>>332210528
The Antediluvians actually aren't that strong. Archmages are indeed stronger than them. The only ones who pose a major threat to Mages are Tremere(who is arguably a good guy and a Mage anyway) and Tzimich, who also uses magic, and this is only after they conduct huge rituals.
The Technocracy could also easily take out the Antediluvians. Besides, the Anti's are more interested in fighting each other than anything else.
>>332210551
The final nights mod adds a bunch of shit and the antitribu adds news clans, disciplines and some quests. Be warned that most fan content is pretty bad.
>>332210641
>A thousand year old 14th Gen is still pretty shit next to a 10 year old 5th Gen.
You'd think so and yes, generation DOES give you massive advantages as you go down the line, but in pen and paper each year, decade, century, etc you're active you get bonus experience. Not to mention you find out shit by experimenting like mixing disciplines, learning new disciplines, etc.
>>332195717
There's never a reason to join them
fuck kuei jin
>>332198772
Mitnick looked more normal than he did, just pop in contacts and wear a hood and he's good to go
>>332210683
But he would have had the support of Isaac, who has been doign that for centuries. And while the sisters are Cammies they are mostly interested in their little turf. Biggest trouble would certainly be Strauss, since Tremere rely on the cammarilla more than everyone else.
>>332209829
Cain literary cant die.
>>332210641
Nope, that's wrong. Generation only gives you potential, it doesn't make you immediately more powerful. A thousand-year old 10th gen will possibly have stacked dots in everything. A freshly-embraced 5th gen will have to start grinding, just like everyone else. Sure, he can reach past the 5-dot limit that the 10th gen reached ages ago, but he still has to work for it.
That being said, "14th gen" aren't even real vampires. Better to compare 13th and lower.
So what gen is the PC?
>>332209495
>swap the club music for darude sandstorm
>>332210651
Is that papa Absimiliard in gen 3?
>>332210836
>You will never play a Mage video game, and get the option of storming a Vampire den in Technocracyarmor
>>332209579
>tfw never got past the golem
Shit I need to pick this game up again
>>332210007
Tzimscie are playable in the antitribu mod if I recall
>>332211076
And then Camarilla sends a Justicar who fucks everyone's shit up.
>>332210836
Didn't the technocracy fucked up pretty badly while trying to kill Zapathasura? Opening way to demons, destroying walls that separated some pretty major shit?
>>332211091
8th from the avalaible dot, if i remember correctly.
>>332194654
B-but I already done one playthrough this year. What have you done?
>>332211081
He can and does die. He also doesn't have to die. God actually isn't as all-powerful as he's made out to be. Even Dracula shat on God's curse.
>>332211141
best faction
don't fit the setting too well though
>>332210836
Maybe, but Archmages have completely different shit on their mind and it's a much much longer path to become one and it's IF you even have it in you in the first place. I mean if you go entirely on potential, which is a moot point, then yes, but it's not like every Mage is a fighting beast.
>>332211219
IF they want another revolt. That's all supposition anyway
>>332210836
>The Antediluvians actually aren't that strong.
MIDF please go.
An awakened Antedeluvian means the end of the world. The Ravnos Antedeluvian awakening and being killed meant that the red star of the Apocalypse appeared in the sky, the gates of Hell opened and Demons/Fallen were released, the Sixth Great Maelstrom occurred and Grandmother was unleashed.
Mages are just Fallen-lite.
>>332204957
Sucks that they got rid of the whispering in the warrens. No point in getting rid of that. Didn't fix the museum entrance either
>>332211228
Yes, they destoryed the afterlife. What about satan? Could he kill an antelvian?
>>332206808
god i hate these things
>>332211228
They went total fucking overkill to kill some Elder Quei-Jin and Ravnos and ripped a hole in the barriers between world, which allowed the Abyss to bleed through. Presumably starting the events of Demon.
>>332210874
>using the Age background
Yeah, and if you get into a car accident, you go into Torpor for a thousand years.
>>332206934
spotted the malkavian
>>332208195
vamps can spend a blood point to look alive though
>>332209750
Reason why Werewolves are dangerous is because no matter what auspice or tribe they are they're still complete killing machines.
>>332209829
> Jack is easily and by fucking far the most powerful being you encounter in the entire game.
> Not Caine
> Archmages are way stronger than Cain. Cain can't even get rid of his own curse. Archmages can cure vampirism.
Dude Reality paradox lmao
>>332211308
>not having read all the sourcebooks
Nah, God's OP in World of Darkness. Reminder, it's not God's curse, it's a series of angelic curses.
>>332194961
>make sure after installing to get...wesp's unofficial patch
wesp's unofficial patch adds more powerful weapons earlier messing with game balance, adds poorly made content that they claim is just "unfinished" but was probably cut for other reasons, and usually adds bugs that weren't there to begin with
use the "true patch gold" if you want to play the vanilla game without bugs. i've played vtmb over a dozen times and prefer this patch over wesp's.
>>332208332
what clan is Jeb?
>>332210836
Tremere can only use blood magic not any other magic. mage can kill them easy but a Antediluvian is stronger.
for all new players who never played pnp vampire or game.
Tremere and all other vampire are awakened beings who fucked up and turn to something else. this means magic is a no no but they get something else from it
>>332211308
Us this some retconed shit, because i remember one of the ghenna books has god coming back and slapping ecery vampires shit, or lilth trying to exploit a loop hole to kill caine and god slapping her shit.
>>332211676
tfw the STRONGEST character in VTMB isMr Ox
>>332209126
>>332209056
>>332208923
And with the patch...
>>332210651
>Not really
Explain. Unless you've actually played PnP, I don't think you know what you're talking about.
>>332210682
There is crossover potential, but I'd advise against it. The themes are just so much different.
That being said, yes there have been times where individual mages work with individual vampires. Werewolves in general are dickheads who will attack most others on sight, but then again there are werewolves who are "dedicated to evil" more or less and therefore cooperate. But yeah, it's not a great idea.
>>332210836
>Archmages are indeed stronger than them
Yes, THEORETICALLY. The problem is that they basically don't exist in the canon setting, except for a few who are decidedly weaker than the antes. So in practice, no, they're not that powerful, even though they theoretically have the potential.
>The only ones who pose a major threat to Mages are Tremere
Absolutely not, thaumaturgy is shite compared to true magic.
>Tzimich
It's tzimisce. And no, they're also pretty outclassed in the magic department. (They have strong, yet unrefined magic that is fairly pathetic compared to true magic again.)
The thing you don't seem to understand is how to classify "power levels". If you put a mage and a vampire in the same room all of a sudden and force them to fight, a vampire will win easily most of the time. But if the mage gets a week of prep time, he's a lot better off and would probably win. Mages are fragile, but if they're clever they can absolutely destroy vampires. That's why it's not as easy to categorize as the image suggests.
>The Technocracy could also easily take out the Antediluvians
No, they probably took out a single one, and only with great effort. But you are correct in that the Technocracy is more powerful than any other single faction, including the Traditions.
>>332211750
Fishmalk without the insight. Basically immortal but retarded.
>>332211804
No, you're right. He probably just didn't read the Gehenna / Demon / End Time books.
What's his clan? I'd say Ventrue
>>332210007
> tzimisce
The Tzimisce discipline of Vicissitude, basically flesh-crafting, is a mutant dimensional virus from outer space that transforms vampires into Gigerean monstrosities.
No, really.
Conspiracy theories make for very fun fictional worlds and engaging games, the puppeteer in the shadows, the power behind the power, that is the true spirit of the masquerade, intrigue, backstabbing, carpe noctem, Anne Ricean romance.
But this book quickly spirals into aluminum foil, Lady Gaga Illuminati, reptilians from Jupiter, antifluoridation madness within the first pages. This is all about the Black Hand, no, not the internal affair secret police of the Sabbat, but the Talma'hera, a super secret stake-my-heart-and-hope-to-die society who secretly controls those who believe that secretly control the world.
Where to begin? They are ancient, they live in a castle only accessible trough dimensional travel, they have members within every vampiric society, they fight alien monsters... Suddenly this doesn't feel like Vampire at all. and the new bloodlines, the "True" Brujah, yes, because the Brujah we came to love from the originals are now impostors, surprise! and they have this ultra l33t power, actually, they have the sphere of Time, yes, they have true magic and do not suffer paradox backlash, why, their lvl. 3 discipline allows them to accelerate and slow time, yes, they can move a superspeed and make others as slow as drying paint. The Old Clan Tzimisce are bland and boring and the Nagaraja are nothing special, they can see ghosts and their weakness is that they must eat raw meat. Meh.
And how can I forget, the book includes systems to make an elder vampire with 10 discipline powers instead of the usual 3. This book is plot cancer, if you introduce the ideas put inside your chronicle will quickly degenerate into some über-powered dark fantasy and there is no chance it can go back ever again.
>>332211850
>>332211967
In Requiem terms, he would be a Ventrue Carthian.
>>332211967
He's a ghoul to some chucklefuck having a laff. Hillary is closer to being a Ventrue than him.
>>332197895
The clan first, then comes the Camarilla
>>332212056
Non-canon. The alien virus was retconned out almost immediately after being implemented. That shit did not go over.
>>332211546
They fucking always managed to give me the creeps when they lunge at you.
>>332210214
>Lasombra and Tzimisce have actually risen up and diablerized their Antedeluvians
Well, kind of.
>>332212096
Carthian are minority loving leftist. WTF are you smoking
>>332211308
god didn't curse cain it was the angels. also Cain can't die because that would piss off god and would fuck you over.
>>332211712
Hi Tessera
>>332211504
>An awakened Antedeluvian means the end of the world.
This never really happened. Two of the Gehenna scenarios involve the Antediluvians awakening, in one they start fighting each other 1v1 and Tzimich nearly takes over the world with a magic ritual(which he usurped from Tremere, which Mages could do) and the other has them raising armies to wage full on war with each other.
Mage and Werewolf have "End of the world" scenarios, but Vampire's are mostly just Vampire related. Voormas could probably take out any Antideluvian.
>>332203421
>stupid as fuck
>Saulot came back from the soul trip renew and with golconda in his hand.
Yeeeahhh, about that. Takes a certain kind of vampire, and a certain kind of eastern knowledge - awareness to achieve perfection.
It's just that they won't let you in on the stuff willingly. And Ming-Xiao is a bitch.
>>332211850
>>332211584
Eh, its worth it. Kuei Jin and gypsy shit a shit
>>332211141
No thanks. If I wanted to play a space marine, I'd play a 40k game.
>>332211334
Yeah, I love the concept, but they really shit on any idea of a unified WoD. Better to keep it separate.
>>332211604
That's Humanity/Path based, not age.
>>332211668
That's what I said, elder vampire have to be fucking careful around even a single garou. It's first when you get to methuselah tier that things start to turn around, since we have canon examples of this occurring.
Don't open it
I always wished it would've been possible to play as a non-scrub kindred, so everyone you meet isn't constantly berating you for being a little newbie, despite you kicking more ass than all of them.
>>332212381
>tfw she spoils the plot of the whole game in one single disjointed sentence
>you have no idea what she's talking about if it's your first run
>your character is just as clueless
truly masterful writing
>>332212625
>your character is just as clueless
Not if you play Malk.
>>332212625
Most of the Malkavians (including her as a Malk Thin-Blood) ruin the game with what they give away.
What faction really runs the shit? Is it vampires, pentex or technocracy?
>>332212356
>That's Humanity/Path based, not age.
To be fair, books establish Humanity 5 is average among new vampires. It's not a stretch to imagine how it would go down for older vampires as they do more horrible shit. It would be fun to see how, for example, some ancient Aztec vampire's or such morality would actually fit into this. He'd probably follow some brutal Path, but still.
>>332212279
i'm not tessera, vtmb is just one of my favorite games and i don't like the unofficial patch. everything that was added in the plus patch feels like it was done by a first time modder with bugs/poor quality, and the basic patch doesn't do what the gold patch does as well.
>>332212625
Then you play Malkavian and almost everytime you talk you are spoiling something.
>>332212401
That's the point of Vampire the Masquerade though. Unbelievably powerful super beings that constantly chafe because there's always someone older and more powerful who treats you like a little bitch.
>>332212625
You can also ask her about what awaits you at the ending so she can reply something like "it doesn't matter, you already bought the game".
>>332212056
>Vicissitude, basically flesh-crafting, is a mutant dimensional virus from outer space that transforms vampires into Gigerean monstrosities.
I really wish the revision didn't make this a thing.
>>332212737
>>332212750
>>332212812
>some real shit's going down and I don't want to be around when the jack in the box goes off
>Malk Main Character: But Jack already opened the box.
>>332211816
>Mr Ox
I still am intrigued about what he is.
There were no clear indications.
>>332212196
Yeah, they think they have anyway.
>>332212329
This is why you avoid crossovers as much as possible.
>>332211923
i didn't can i ask. is it really a book or want
i want to get it to read what happens but i don't want to get something that is like make your own story up
also what book talks about this>>332211804
>>332212737
>>332212812
But if it's your first run you have no idea what you, or any of the cryptic malks, talk about. That's why Malk feels like a developer commentary mode.
>>332212356
>That's Humanity/Path based, not age.
The Age background reduces Humanity.
*Annuated: 200 years or less active, +30 freebie points, -1 Humanity
**Elder: 200 to 350 years active, +55 freebie points, -2 Humanity
***Hoary: 350 to 500 years active, +75 freebie points, -3 Humanity
****Venerable: 500 to 750 years active, +90 freebie points, -4 Humanity
*****Ancient: Active for more than 750 years (!), +100 freebie points, -5 Humanity
And again, you still have shitty caps on Disciplines without commensurate Generation dots.
>>332212776
AYAYAYAYAYA
>>332212929
It's not.
>The idea of Souleaters and Vicissitude as an alien plague received a great deal of criticism and was a divisive element of canon. The Vampire Storytellers Handbook Revised stated the idea was merely the result of a "lunatic fringe" within the Old Clan Tzimisce[12], and to be disregarded.
>>332211804
>or lilth trying to exploit a loop hole to kill caine and god slapping her shit.
There are multiple outcomes for all the Gehenna scenarios. There isn't really a canon one. For example, you can side with Cain, Lilith or Lasombra if you wanted to.
>>332213053
>also what book talks about this
Probably talking about the Book of Gehenna.
>>332212776
>stone age vampire wakes up in year 2000
Imagine that culture shock.
>>332212779
Just kidding bro
I also thought he removed that patch or shut down his site or whatever, I might do a playthrough with that to see how the game looked like originally
>>332213269
Thank fuck.
>>332211334
>best faction
>don't fit the setting too well though
I agree. I prefer to keep them as a background force and not antagonistic. They really should have gotten their own setting.(Like how you have Mage, Vampire, Werewolf, etc...).
>>332212973
Clearly awakened, likely a mage due to his trinkets.
>>332213617
Yeah, they really are OP as shit. They more or less run everything, have power armor that works without causing a fuss, and super terminators, not to mention all the spacecraft and stuff.
>>332213053
Book of Gehenna.
I'd also recommend Time of Judgment. I think that's the one where Lucifer is confronted with a Reconciler who proves that God isn't dead or gone, and the world is about to end in a post-apocalyptic nuclear war with the Earthbound. Solid read.
>It's a vtmb lore discussion thread
I don't know what the fuck is going on.
>>332210832
Fucking retard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37WarrMqs_M
So, how come the player character is so powerful and awesome compared to everyone else, despÃte being only a fledgling? Are you part of a really old generation or something? I know nothing of WoD lore.
>>332212771
Depends on what you're playing. In VtM, its the Camarilla. In Mage, it's the Technocracy. In Werewolf, it's not really Pentex (since they're just not big enough by themselves)
But again, crossovers are mostly cancer. If you play VtM, the other splats aren't going to be as important as vampires. If you're playing MtA, same thing but for mages, etc.
>>332212776
Paths aren't all that uncommon, especially among Sabbat and older vampires. In Dark Ages, nearly everyone's on a Path, with Humanity being just a path in itself.
>>332213080
>not being on a path if you're an elder
That's just the rules being dumb. Not really an uncommon thing in cWoD unfortunately.
I don't disagree though, there's absolutely no reason not to max out generation at chargen, but that still doesn't mean that a low-gen fledgling starts out more powerful than someone who put all their dots in other places.
But anyway, generation being a background is a terrible system. Our ST just set the same starting gen for everyone and that was that.
>>332213809
you are the chosen one guided by caine to resolve the camirilla's current fuckup
>>332213772
Just ride the wave, man. Its a hell of a setting
>>332213772
>not enjoying lorethreads
>>332213806
That's a mod you stupid faggot.
>>332213772
You don't need to. Magefags turned attention into them and the lore gets pretty retarded at times. Go to the wiki and read the core books and clan books if you want, otherwise ignore it.
>>332213879
>But again, crossovers are mostly cancer
Agreed. I like a lot of the settings but it's painfully clear they aren't really supposed to mesh a lot
>>332213806
Wasn't that added in with mods? Also, they really could have chosen a better line for the Sabatt leader to say to the player.
>Insignificant.
>Literally the key to their victory.
>>332213806
That's a mod. An alteration of the kuei-jin ending.
>>332213772
Ask if you want answers.
>>332213809
It remains unexplained, but there are plenty of theories, like the taxi driver arranging your embrace or some kind of magic bullshit. But it seems clearly you're not any lower than 8th gen because of the limits to 5 dots, so in my opinion, the answer is probably"because otherwise it wouldn't be a game"
>>332213617
I know little about WoD lore as a whole, but don't the Technocracy focus a lot on making sure cosmic monstrosities don't turn earth into their next snack/wasteland? Which would make them much better suited to generally being involved less in the affairs of Earth-locked factions
>>332213772
Tune in and enjoy. You might even feel the urge to read the books.
>>332213879
Dark Ages Vampire was great. Probably the finest piece of writing for a game line that White Wolf ever put out in oWoD.
>>332214107
Yeah. Makes me wonder about Paradox and their plans for 4th edition. They seem to be banking on making a real unified setting this time, which I don't mind on its own, but may cause some issues. We shall see.
>>332213768
this book?
What is the sheriff any way? Is he like some kind of high level vamp or like a promethian?
I like how Jack reacts when you install some early (or just poorely crafted) mods for this game.
>>332213879
Crossovers are definitely cancer because Old WoD games were never meant to crossover. Silly design decision, but still an intended one.
>>332213806
Thats some mod.
>>332214161
I guess just where to begin if you want to understand half of this shit.
Like just play the tabletop games? Not sure where people get all the info from.
>>332214356
That's the one. It gives a bunch of scenarios for how to run the Final Nights.
>>332214504
There's books on books on books full of this stuff.
People occasionally post em here.
Damnit /v/, you got me. Time to play again.
So far I've played as
1. Gangrel: I was expecting more animal stuff, was a bit disappointing
2. Malkavian: It was fun as hell.
Who next? Was thinking Trem, is stealth mage viable? I just really like being able to stealth in any game that offers it.
>>332214402
he says that if you punch his face in an unmodded game, too.
>>332213768
i see time of judgment for 10 should i get it
So you want to be a Tzimisce. Can you handle the clan beat, tough?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIQx-1NmVzQ
>>332214215
It's been a very long tie since I read the material, but I vaguely recall there were things in outer space which the Technocracy ended up having to fight. Initially the Void Engineers were focused on exploration and colonization, but then they began encountering awful, awful things and had to weaponize themselves.
It was implied that at least one of these horrible things was actively coming towards the Earth and the Void Engineers were the only thing between it and Humanity. There is one Mage "Time of Judgement" scenario which involves Alien creatures which eat magic attacking the Earth.
Besides that, the Technocracy focuses on monitoring Humanity, keeping awakenings controlled and guiding Humanity to tolerate scientific and technological principles to the point they can safely release new technology. For example, they'd have to focus on building up Humanity's tolerance for the idea of space travel and making them believe progress is being made to make it possible for they start allowing their star ships to start openly orbiting Earth. Otherwise, people would see these space ships in the sky and go "WOW HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE?!" and awaken.
>>332214575
Tremere is fun, though not exactly the most stealthy. Still, running around covered in a blood shield, making enemies explode while insta-draining others to keep blood points up makes for some damn fun combat.
Maybe try Nos as well? They can be pretty sneeki breeki
>>332214563
Meant to mention those, but are they actually good?
>>332209193
you have this picture for humans?
>>332214575
magic op oneshot everything.
>>332214281
Yes, I love it. Currently playing a Dark Ages VtM game with my group, it's excellent. Definitely the highlight of my week.
I feel like it's more fun/more fleshed out than modern nights, since you're not locked to the sects and you can more easily be 7th gen for those fun elder powers, and there's less masquerade shit to worry about. It's also super-neat to be able to progress years at a time to see your plans come to fruition. After all, the perhaps primary advantage of being a vampire is not dying of old age, and that's just not experienced at all in modern nights.
>>332214394
He is a nagloper, african version of the Tzimisce. A pretty powerful and low generation one as well.
>>332214683
Some goregrind seems more fitting to the clan, something like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDUM7WeslzQ
>>332214705
The novels? I'm...not nearly enough into the 90s Goth aesthetic(says the guy posting in a WoD thread) to enjoy them. They're pretty good as far as RPG fiction goes though.
Most of what we talk about here comes from the game books themselves, which contain all the rules and little tidbits of history and fluff in between.
