So I just beat vtmb for the first time, let's have an obligatory vampire threadFUCK ming Xiao that fight was awful. I just circle strafed her and emptied every round I had while stopping to kill the little assholes and quicksaving like a birch.the sheriff fight was sick and the perfect difficulty, but how the hell would you kill the bat if you weren't doing a gun focused build?I let Heather die and I feel awful ;_;if the messarch was just a dead old corpse then who slaughtered everyone on the Dane? The kuei-jin agents? If they stole the key at that point why the hell didn't they just steal the sarcophagus then? Weren't they also in league with lacroix at that time? Also when did Jack open the coffin and pull that switcharoo? Before the kuei-jin raided the Dane?
Also some kinda non-spoilery questions:
I played on WSEPs 9.2 and checked the restore cut content option, what did that add in? What got cut out of the final game?
I'm interested in The final nights and in antritbu, how are they different and which is better? Also is the clan quest mod worth trying and does it work with TFN?
>>332194654
Also why does best girl never get mentioned in these threads? I wish she was more involved in the game. I know she's included in the companion mod and the companion mod is bundled into antribu, is it compatible with TFN?
Can't comment too much about the game itself,
but I'll just leave this starting guide for the rookies out there.
>>332194654
Jack was the one who raided the Dane before it arrived, remember he was a pirate before the embrace.
>who slaughtered everyone on the Dane?Jack did.
>Also when did Jack open the coffin and pull that switcharoo?Right before you went onto the Dane. The Kuei-jin were never on the Dane, only Jack.
>we will never get newline games
>not even licensed out to another studio
Blood and Smoke has so much potential, too.
The only thing I didn't like about this game is how rushed the Chinese Vampire were, and most importantly how you have no real reasonto join Ming Xiao.
>>332195279
>>332195268That makes sense now. But then when did the key get swiped? And if Lacroix had the coffin and the kuei-jin had the key and were in league why didn't they just open it? I'm guessing by the time lacroix finally got it the kuei-jin decided they didn't wanna play ball?
>>332195739
I'm not sure when the key was stolen or if it's even addressed, but if I remember correctly the archeologist the Society of Leopold captured had it, so I'd assume that the Kuei-Jin stole it from him before his capture
>>332196217
I thought at some point lacroix said it was in a box that was listed on the cargo manifest but wasn't found on the Dane.
Obligatory
DON'TSTOP THINKING ABOUT TOMORROW
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>>332195739
>>332195739
>>332195739
Basicallywhen the Kue-jin got the key they didn't need to play ball with Lacroix any more they could just demand a bigger deal from him instead of the scraps they would of gotten if Lacroix's plan went unhitched.
>>332196217
>>332196539Jack had the key at some point, we know this because he opened it to get the corpse out, it's not a stretch to think that he dropped it outside of the Kue-jin's temple knowing it would stir chaos by starting a war between the Camarilla and the Kuei Jin who are the two biggest enemies to the Anarchs in the Free State of LA.
>>332196846
Gotcha. That makes a lot of sense. I beat the game at 2 in the morning and if I hadn't been so tired and asked more questions I could've pieced it together better
So /v/ Camarilla or Anarchs?
>>332197895
Cammy but under a better Prince than Lacroix. I'd also start using the Merit based ranked system from the Anarchs rather than the Age based one the Cammies use now.
>>332197895
I like the camarilla a lot. Vamps couldn't survive without the masquerade enforced. I think the anarch's ideals wouldn't work on a large scale. Giving blood sucking monsters that much freedom without enforcing laws on them would be a disaster. That said I did like all the anarch members, and lacroix is a backstabbing powerhungry asshole. What Jack or nines said about the camarilla just being about 5-10 higher ups staying in power while using everyone below them to maintain their position does seem true. I'd want the camarilla to run things but I'd stay out of their way and do my own thing.
Okay guys, you convinced me to start another playthrough. First I was Tremere, now I want to try Malkavian. Any tips?
>>332194654
Why did Gary make such a big deal about looking like a monster when he's the most normal looking Nosferatu in the game?
I wanted to suck Nines' dick so bad.
He was my knight in shining armor.
>>332198772
Same with Imalia, the both used to be rather attractive and now they are the opposite. Gary kinda revels in it while Imalia can't quite accept it.
>>332198698
Malkies are good for stealth because obfuscate. Also the conversation options are pretty hilarious so don't skip out on any of them.
>>332198996
He just says "are you surrrre you wanna see my face it's really fucked up" and then he looks way less weird than Bertram or Kanker. It was disappointing. Also I wish you couldcuddle up withimalia
>>332198698
Don't let the STOP sign STOP you.
>>332199282
Yeah Fuck that stop sign.
Ending Power RankingsIndependent > Camarilla > Anarch > LaCroix > Kuei-Jin
you can blind the sheriff with the spotlights so he'll crash
>>332200592
To be honest,the LaCroix ending is great because you're just like him and you both get what's coming.
>>332200992
Oh shit I didn't know that. I was too busy emptying AUG rounds into the sky
>>332197895
Sabbat. Not only the true anarchs but also the only ones who wants to stop Gehenna.
Also OP, you can blind and force the bat to the ground.
>>332194961
>closest you can get to stopping time involves being a dindu nuffin with celerity
>doesn't have domination
>Ventrue has literally every power I want except from celerity
Fuck this gay earth.
>>332201851
Go Toreador then. And the only ones who can stop time are the True Brujah with their Temporis discipline, but they aren't in the game only in the pnp.
>>332202008
If one True Brujah stops time does another True Brujah stop time as well
>>332202008
I did in my first playthrough, but I don't remember Celerity being an option. Perhaps I was playing one of the overhaul patches that fucked with everything.
>>332202240
Toreador have Celerety as one of their main disciplines. Only them and Brujah has innate Celerety, but Gangrel can get it as well during late game with Beckett.
I like to have my Vampires pick their faction based on Clan and the NPCs in the game.
Ventrue: The only Ventrue in the game is LaCroix. Faction: LaCroix
Gangrel: Turns out that Skelter is a Gangrel, but you never find out in-game. The slasher is a Gangrel, but meh. So, I go the same route as the remaining one- Becker. Faction: Independent.
Brujah: Nines, Jack, Damsel, the answer is obvious here. Faction: Anarch
Tremere: Only one other Tremere in the game, Strauss. Faction: Camarilla
Toreador: Baron Isaac Abrams, Velvet Velour, Ash Rivers, all Anarch. Shame, because I generally associate this clan with the Camarilla: Faction: Anarch.
Nosferatu: One of only two clans that actually have a Camarilla Primogen, and this one at least has several Camarilla members. Gary, Tung, Imalia, Barabus, Mitnick, etc. Faction: Camarilla
Malkavian: There WAS a Camarilla Primogen (Alistair Grout) but you never get to meet him. And there IS an Anarch Baron (Therese/Jeanette), and since she has a Ghoul too (Vandal)... Faction: AnarchAnd no one goes Kuei-Jin because that's stupid as fuck.
It was all Jack.
I really liked the game but the combat was worse than Fallout 3.
>>332202594
Really? I know beckett helps you with disciplines if you're gangrel but he actually teaches you another?
>>332203715
>not using Dominate / Dementation / Thaumaturgy / Animalism / Protean to trivialize combat for the whole game
Funny though, in TT most of those are shit while Potence and Celerity are the good ones.
>The latest unofficial patch came out on 3/22/16
I fucking love the community behind this game.
>>332203878
Yes, he teaches you after you finally get the sarcophagus. Although you might need the plus patch, not just the one who correct bugs.
>>332199165
Try to talk with him as toreador.
>>332200592
> tremere raiders of the lost arc > independent > all>>>> Sabbat
>>332194961
Oh shit I finished the game without seeing this image. Did a stupid social malkavian. Everything after chinatown gets unbeatable.
Also sorry but the only the first 1/3 of the game is really good.
>>332194654
>how the hell would you kill the bat if you weren't doing a gun focused build?
Just blind that shit with lights and then burn it with flamethrower. You don't even need to know firearms for that. At least in the vanilla version that was true.
>>332206074
How do you get money to buy fuel for the flametrower? Money was really short the entire game if I remember.
>>332206243
> not being Undead Rockefeller
>Enter the Internet Cafe for the tape quest
>music has changed, this is playing instead
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrGmuInMc0o
>mfw
Scariest moment of the game desu, fuck the ocean house
>>332206243
money for guns.... lol i never used guns i punch shit to death. flying bat man was no difference even in the AIR ALL I DID WAS PUT CHEATS FOR FLYING AND Went on punching the guy hehehehehahahahahahhHAHHAHHHAHAHAHHAHA
>>332206808
>Scariest moment of the game
Yeah it's prettydisturbed and twisted.
>>332206243
I don't remember really. But I always had at least $1000 by the final taxi ride sequence, even without a single point in haggle. Hint is: you better loot guns separately to sell them for more money, without stacking ammo.
>>332206808
I was much more scared of that running little assfaces. Holy shit.
>>332206934
Are you okay, anon?
>>332207235
I needed to use many cheats to finish the game, after chinatown everything got to hard for me. Without cheats I would have 2 or 3 rounds of fuel them I would need to choose between the building, warform, ming xiao or sheriff.
Are there lewds or lewd mods for this?
>>332207290
http://ytcropper.com/cropped/YH56f8399982afd
>>332198772
>Why did Gary make such a big deal about looking like a monster when he's the most normal looking Nosferatu in the game?
>when he's the most normal looking Nosferatu in the game
Because he was one of the most beautiful people in the world, too.
>>332194961
do these mods include the HD textures that guy hand made? I have tons of those but not all of them.
>>332206243
Do you regularly go for your paycheck to Club Confession?
I used to go there like after every second quest and by the end of the game I had at leask 3 K unspent.
im in my second playtrough since a lot of years. I remeber the encounter whit pic related, but not he part ofShe calling in a public phone (masquerade violation) and then she follow me everywhere.
Should i kill her or what?
THESE BROKEN WALLS TRAP ME INSIDE
>>332208069
I'MISOLATED
>>332207959
WHAT?
>>332207535
You can fuck a cemetery's caretaker. He also tells you that fucking a vampire is like fucking a cold dead body - not very entertaining at all.
The answer is no.
Lacroix did nothing wrong.
>>332207969
I think you can just punch her to make her go away.
>>332207535
>>332208195
There actually are mods for making some characters naked but they're mostly terrible.
>>332207969
Tell her you are a turtle.
>>332207969
If you kill her you loose humanity, if you don't it's a masquerade violation.
There are other ways to stop her but they're clan dependent.
>>332204957
Oh shit the updated patch is out? Should probably finish my malk run, and then go on to do my Henshin Gangrel run
>>332208587
You can persuade her if your character is capable.
This is still the scariest scene in video game history
>>332207969
Who the hell is that?
>>332208751
This, Ocean House, and pick related got to me more then most modern horror games
>>332205592
That fanfic patch stuff?
>>332208751
The scariest thing was that you can't move during this cutscene until like it is almost too late to run at all.
>>332208751
You do know that you can kill it right?
>>332208812
Its a random encounter part of the game.She says she's someone from before you were turned, who has been looking for you since that night. Kind of a one-off reminder that your character might have had a life before some vampire fucked it all up (or improved it)
>>332207914
^
someone answer this plz
>>332208923
WHAT?! I've only played this game recently, and I ran like a bitch the entire time.
>>332209056
Turn on the electricity and kill it with the telescope doors.
>>332194654
>not playing tremere easily killing the bosses with blood magicmy first playthrough was as a toreador putting most points into social skills, holy fuck those last 3 bosses were a pain[/spoiler ]
>>332209126
Well shit, guess I have a new goal to aim for
>>332208195
You can also fuck Jeanette.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rsuhyq4NK8
It's not even a mod, it's part of the core game and voice acted.
>>332208886
> fanfic patch
no
>>332208943
Ooooooooh that makes sense. I ran into someone that said that and since I was ventrue I used my dominate to wipe her mind and tell her she doesn't know me. That part was like, Sad actually for some reason. The idea that my character had a life before all this and it got dredged up, but I had to tell her to forget everything about me and keep going.
>>332209185
First playthrough as Tremere was golden. Making people explode by endgame was pure joy
>>332208840
I like the sign on the wall next to it. The raptor scared the piss out of me, and the sign says that he got scared from the prank too.
>>332194654
>the sheriff fight was sick and the perfect difficulty, but how the hell would you kill the bat if you weren't doing a gun focused build?
Just use the lights and deal with him however once he's on the ground.
>>332205592
A very new mage would get decimated by about everything on that list. Infinite potential is useless when you are just starting out.
>>332208151
The bartender at the Club Confession gives you the quest to help her obtain the full onwership of the bar.
If you do, she will make you a co-owner or something like that and she will offer to pay you regularly your share of the profit.
>>332209212
You can't join the Sabbat in the game though.
>>332209358
not him, but you fucked up
>>332209358
The joke is that she goes "WHAT? I CAN'T HEAR YOU" when you talk to her.
The laughs we had when I discovered all game soundtracks were mp3 files in a specific folder and swapped the street chase for that benny hill music..
>>332209126
FUCK, I could never manage to do that because he either slipped through the door before it closed or managed to pass through it so I just thought that wasn't possible
the previous V:TM game is underrated as fuck imo
>>332209126
>Celerity 5
Shit is way too fun. I probably should dredge up my gunnut Toreador
>>332207969
You can just bite her before she can make the call, run away and she will forget about it. No humanity lost and no Masquerade violation. A domination discipline like Trance should work too, if you have it
>>332197895
Sabbat gives safety to your average vampire, but you basically can't progress anywhere because vampires older than you hold all important positions. Sabbat is much dangerous because it's a sect of idiotic shovelheads and detached elders, but it gives immeasurable room to capable s they can progress because Sabbat is always lacking "middle management", so to speak. And you can always settle shit with a ritual duel so that's handy if you know how to play your cards right.
>>332209458
>he sided with the Russians for the flat $1000
You make more by siding with Venus, senpai.
>>332209402
Not much of a loss really. Sabbat in this game is just a bunch of imbeciles and fools.
>>332209458
>>332209471
Fml, it's been a while for me to catch the reference.
>>332205592
Man, not this chart again. It's reductionist as fuck. Mages get eviscerated if they don't have prep time. Werewolves alphas are above elders. True Fae are irrelevant and it doesn't even include Wraith or Mummy.
>if the messarch was just a dead old corpse then who slaughtered everyone on the Dane?Jack did. He is an incredibly ancient Elder Vampire with a huge network of agents and servitors and a vast wealth of knowledge and experience. He even knew who the Vampire corpse was and addressed it by name like he knew him personally.Jack is easily and by fucking far the most powerful being you encounter in the entire game.
>>332205592
Archmages are way stronger than Cain. Cain can't even get rid of his own curse. Archmages can cure vampirism.
>>332209623
You meant camarilla for the first one, right?
Anyway, my city is apparently a Sabbat location. Oh well.
>>332209714
This. While they may have a more subtle approach in the PnP (never played/read it) In-game they're just a bunch of power-happy fools from what I saw.
Just a reminder about how good voice acting in that game was.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSFtnVGSY00
>>332209126
>dead
His eyes are actually still following you. Just waiting for that regeneration to kick.
>>332209579
I get why they had to force you into a single character and clan, and the game was good despite it, but still... I get tired of Brujah.
>tfw you'll never get to play as a Tzimisce
>>332209948
...I'll watch for that when I try this. Would make sense that he was just immobilized by the doors
>>332208256
He did everything wrong.
>>332209829
Pretty sure he'sjust a pirate from the olden Age of Sail.Although, age isn't everything as far as vampires go.
>>332208840
Too bad it works only with 4:3 resolutions.
>>332209829
Jack isn't actually that powerfull vampire wise. He's a wily coyote type of deal. The Sheriff is the principal reason Lacroix doesn,t get fucked by Nines and the Anarchs. And Strauss being some century older could probably fuck with Jack too. Jack is pretty high gen for his age.
>>332210007
Tzimisce with a head on his shoulders, you mean.
>>332210093
>age isn't everything
Isn't that basically the whole sticking point behind the player character in the game? You BTFO vampires with a good 100 years on you
>>332209872
In PnP they're pretty based. Most of the Kindred don't believe in Cain and the Antedeluvians, but they do. Probably because their principle two clans the Lasombra and Tzimisce have actually risen up and diablerized their Antedeluvians.
So, while the Final Nights are nigh and the Camarilla are all pretending everything is fine, the Sabbat are preparing for the end.
>>332199165
He used to be beautiful
>>332209579
BEST GAME FUCK YES
>>332209872
>>332210214
Nah, Sabbats are seen as idiots because that's exactly what you see 90% of the time. Elders don't really risk their lives and shovel heads are not your equivalent to average Camarilla vampire. They're just morons who might, MIGHT get a chance to get fully elevated and trained by someone if they A) live long enough and B) do something of note. Your full-fledged new vampires are rarer in Sabbat because their elders remember really well how THEY acquired power in the first place - by diablerizing their predecessors. Or that's what they think, at least.
>>332209829
Dude, Jack is 10th gen and not even an elder. He IS powerful for his age, but not above the Sheriff.
Also, archmages are overrated as fuck. The theoretical few who exist have to hang out in the umbra to even exist, and the ones present in canon are all fairly weak compared to antediluvians. Sure, there's technically no limit to their potential, but that means fuck-all in the practical sense.
>>332210214
Funny part is that for all their preparation they both get fucked mighty hard.
>>332194654
guys what is the best mods for this game. i have beaten it and want to play it again
i want to bang that bloody bitch in the hospital basement. Is she an waifu?
>>332210206
Nah, Generation matters more than Age.
A thousand year old 14th Gen is still pretty shit next to a 10 year old 5th Gen.
>>332209343
Not really
>>332209402
You can
So would any other supernatural entities ever help/work with Vampires? Not just werewolves, but faetouched/mages/whatever
>>332210183
>The Sheriff is the principal reason Lacroix doesn,t get fucked by Nines and the Anarchs.
In part, yes But also because MUH POLITICS. Books make it clear that becoming a Prince isn't usually the hard part, it's actually staying in power and keeping the system going. You can't just go whacking people in charge.
>>332210551
You may try clan quest mod.
>>332210613
Yep.
>>332210007
The Darkness is obviously a Lasombra, not Tzimisce.
>>332210206
Yeah, but that's never really explained. There are plenty of theories though, like the taxi driver fixing things.
>>332210651
No you can't.
>>332210528
The Antediluvians actually aren't that strong. Archmages are indeed stronger than them. The only ones who pose a major threat to Mages are Tremere(who is arguably a good guy and a Mage anyway) and Tzimich, who also uses magic, and this is only after they conduct huge rituals.
The Technocracy could also easily take out the Antediluvians. Besides, the Anti's are more interested in fighting each other than anything else.
>>332210551
The final nights mod adds a bunch of shit and the antitribu adds news clans, disciplines and some quests. Be warned that most fan content is pretty bad.
>>332210641
>A thousand year old 14th Gen is still pretty shit next to a 10 year old 5th Gen.
You'd think so and yes, generation DOES give you massive advantages as you go down the line, but in pen and paper each year, decade, century, etc you're active you get bonus experience. Not to mention you find out shit by experimenting like mixing disciplines, learning new disciplines, etc.
>>332195717
There's never a reason to join them
fuck kuei jin
>>332198772
Mitnick looked more normal than he did, just pop in contacts and wear a hood and he's good to go
>>332210683
But he would have had the support of Isaac, who has been doign that for centuries. And while the sisters are Cammies they are mostly interested in their little turf. Biggest trouble would certainly be Strauss, since Tremere rely on the cammarilla more than everyone else.
>>332209829
Cain literary cant die.
>>332210641
Nope, that's wrong. Generation only gives you potential, it doesn't make you immediately more powerful. A thousand-year old 10th gen will possibly have stacked dots in everything. A freshly-embraced 5th gen will have to start grinding, just like everyone else. Sure, he can reach past the 5-dot limit that the 10th gen reached ages ago, but he still has to work for it.
That being said, "14th gen" aren't even real vampires. Better to compare 13th and lower.
So what gen is the PC?
>>332209495
>swap the club music for darude sandstorm
>>332210651
Is that papa Absimiliard in gen 3?
>>332210836
>You will never play a Mage video game, and get the option of storming a Vampire den in Technocracyarmor
>>332209579
>tfw never got past the golem
Shit I need to pick this game up again
>>332210007
Tzimscie are playable in the antitribu mod if I recall
>>332211076
And then Camarilla sends a Justicar who fucks everyone's shit up.
>>332210836
Didn't the technocracy fucked up pretty badly while trying to kill Zapathasura? Opening way to demons, destroying walls that separated some pretty major shit?
>>332211091
8th from the avalaible dot, if i remember correctly.
>>332194654
B-but I already done one playthrough this year. What have you done?
>>332211081
He can and does die. He also doesn't have to die. God actually isn't as all-powerful as he's made out to be. Even Dracula shat on God's curse.
>>332211141
best faction
don't fit the setting too well though
>>332210836
Maybe, but Archmages have completely different shit on their mind and it's a much much longer path to become one and it's IF you even have it in you in the first place. I mean if you go entirely on potential, which is a moot point, then yes, but it's not like every Mage is a fighting beast.
>>332211219
IF they want another revolt. That's all supposition anyway
>>332210836
>The Antediluvians actually aren't that strong.
MIDF please go.
An awakened Antedeluvian means the end of the world. The Ravnos Antedeluvian awakening and being killed meant that the red star of the Apocalypse appeared in the sky, the gates of Hell opened and Demons/Fallen were released, the Sixth Great Maelstrom occurred and Grandmother was unleashed.
Mages are just Fallen-lite.
>>332204957
Sucks that they got rid of the whispering in the warrens. No point in getting rid of that. Didn't fix the museum entrance either
>>332211228
Yes, they destoryed the afterlife. What about satan? Could he kill an antelvian?
>>332206808
god i hate these things
>>332211228
They went total fucking overkill to kill some Elder Quei-Jin and Ravnos and ripped a hole in the barriers between world, which allowed the Abyss to bleed through. Presumably starting the events of Demon.
>>332210874
>using the Age background
Yeah, and if you get into a car accident, you go into Torpor for a thousand years.
>>332206934
spotted the malkavian
>>332208195
vamps can spend a blood point to look alive though
>>332209750
Reason why Werewolves are dangerous is because no matter what auspice or tribe they are they're still complete killing machines.
>>332209829
> Jack is easily and by fucking far the most powerful being you encounter in the entire game.
> Not Caine
> Archmages are way stronger than Cain. Cain can't even get rid of his own curse. Archmages can cure vampirism.
Dude Reality paradox lmao
>>332211308
>not having read all the sourcebooks
Nah, God's OP in World of Darkness. Reminder, it's not God's curse, it's a series of angelic curses.
>>332194961
>make sure after installing to get...wesp's unofficial patch
wesp's unofficial patch adds more powerful weapons earlier messing with game balance, adds poorly made content that they claim is just "unfinished" but was probably cut for other reasons, and usually adds bugs that weren't there to begin with
use the "true patch gold" if you want to play the vanilla game without bugs. i've played vtmb over a dozen times and prefer this patch over wesp's.
>>332208332
what clan is Jeb?
>>332210836
Tremere can only use blood magic not any other magic. mage can kill them easy but a Antediluvian is stronger.
for all new players who never played pnp vampire or game.
Tremere and all other vampire are awakened beings who fucked up and turn to something else. this means magic is a no no but they get something else from it
>>332211308
Us this some retconed shit, because i remember one of the ghenna books has god coming back and slapping ecery vampires shit, or lilth trying to exploit a loop hole to kill caine and god slapping her shit.
>>332211676
tfw the STRONGEST character in VTMB isMr Ox
>>332209126
>>332209056
>>332208923
And with the patch...
>>332210651
>Not really
Explain. Unless you've actually played PnP, I don't think you know what you're talking about.
>>332210682
There is crossover potential, but I'd advise against it. The themes are just so much different.
That being said, yes there have been times where individual mages work with individual vampires. Werewolves in general are dickheads who will attack most others on sight, but then again there are werewolves who are "dedicated to evil" more or less and therefore cooperate. But yeah, it's not a great idea.
>>332210836
>Archmages are indeed stronger than them
Yes, THEORETICALLY. The problem is that they basically don't exist in the canon setting, except for a few who are decidedly weaker than the antes. So in practice, no, they're not that powerful, even though they theoretically have the potential.
>The only ones who pose a major threat to Mages are Tremere
Absolutely not, thaumaturgy is shite compared to true magic.
>Tzimich
It's tzimisce. And no, they're also pretty outclassed in the magic department. (They have strong, yet unrefined magic that is fairly pathetic compared to true magic again.)
The thing you don't seem to understand is how to classify "power levels". If you put a mage and a vampire in the same room all of a sudden and force them to fight, a vampire will win easily most of the time. But if the mage gets a week of prep time, he's a lot better off and would probably win. Mages are fragile, but if they're clever they can absolutely destroy vampires. That's why it's not as easy to categorize as the image suggests.
>The Technocracy could also easily take out the Antediluvians
No, they probably took out a single one, and only with great effort. But you are correct in that the Technocracy is more powerful than any other single faction, including the Traditions.
>>332211750
Fishmalk without the insight. Basically immortal but retarded.
>>332211804
No, you're right. He probably just didn't read the Gehenna / Demon / End Time books.
What's his clan? I'd say Ventrue
>>332210007
> tzimisce
The Tzimisce discipline of Vicissitude, basically flesh-crafting, is a mutant dimensional virus from outer space that transforms vampires into Gigerean monstrosities.
No, really.
Conspiracy theories make for very fun fictional worlds and engaging games, the puppeteer in the shadows, the power behind the power, that is the true spirit of the masquerade, intrigue, backstabbing, carpe noctem, Anne Ricean romance.
But this book quickly spirals into aluminum foil, Lady Gaga Illuminati, reptilians from Jupiter, antifluoridation madness within the first pages. This is all about the Black Hand, no, not the internal affair secret police of the Sabbat, but the Talma'hera, a super secret stake-my-heart-and-hope-to-die society who secretly controls those who believe that secretly control the world.
Where to begin? They are ancient, they live in a castle only accessible trough dimensional travel, they have members within every vampiric society, they fight alien monsters... Suddenly this doesn't feel like Vampire at all. and the new bloodlines, the "True" Brujah, yes, because the Brujah we came to love from the originals are now impostors, surprise! and they have this ultra l33t power, actually, they have the sphere of Time, yes, they have true magic and do not suffer paradox backlash, why, their lvl. 3 discipline allows them to accelerate and slow time, yes, they can move a superspeed and make others as slow as drying paint. The Old Clan Tzimisce are bland and boring and the Nagaraja are nothing special, they can see ghosts and their weakness is that they must eat raw meat. Meh.
And how can I forget, the book includes systems to make an elder vampire with 10 discipline powers instead of the usual 3. This book is plot cancer, if you introduce the ideas put inside your chronicle will quickly degenerate into some über-powered dark fantasy and there is no chance it can go back ever again.
>>332211967
In Requiem terms, he would be a Ventrue Carthian.
>>332211967
He's a ghoul to some chucklefuck having a laff. Hillary is closer to being a Ventrue than him.
>>332197895
The clan first, then comes the Camarilla
>>332212056
Non-canon. The alien virus was retconned out almost immediately after being implemented. That shit did not go over.
>>332211546
They fucking always managed to give me the creeps when they lunge at you.
>>332210214
>Lasombra and Tzimisce have actually risen up and diablerized their Antedeluvians
Well, kind of.
>>332212096
Carthian are minority loving leftist. WTF are you smoking
>>332211308
god didn't curse cain it was the angels. also Cain can't die because that would piss off god and would fuck you over.
>>332211712
Hi Tessera
>>332211504
>An awakened Antedeluvian means the end of the world.
This never really happened. Two of the Gehenna scenarios involve the Antediluvians awakening, in one they start fighting each other 1v1 and Tzimich nearly takes over the world with a magic ritual(which he usurped from Tremere, which Mages could do) and the other has them raising armies to wage full on war with each other.
Mage and Werewolf have "End of the world" scenarios, but Vampire's are mostly just Vampire related. Voormas could probably take out any Antideluvian.
>>332203421
>stupid as fuck
>Saulot came back from the soul trip renew and with golconda in his hand.
Yeeeahhh, about that. Takes a certain kind of vampire, and a certain kind of eastern knowledge - awareness to achieve perfection.
It's just that they won't let you in on the stuff willingly. And Ming-Xiao is a bitch.
>>332211584
Eh, its worth it. Kuei Jin and gypsy shit a shit
>>332211141
No thanks. If I wanted to play a space marine, I'd play a 40k game.
>>332211334
Yeah, I love the concept, but they really shit on any idea of a unified WoD. Better to keep it separate.
>>332211604
That's Humanity/Path based, not age.
>>332211668
That's what I said, elder vampire have to be fucking careful around even a single garou. It's first when you get to methuselah tier that things start to turn around, since we have canon examples of this occurring.
Don't open it
I always wished it would've been possible to play as a non-scrub kindred, so everyone you meet isn't constantly berating you for being a little newbie, despite you kicking more ass than all of them.
>>332212381
>tfw she spoils the plot of the whole game in one single disjointed sentence
>you have no idea what she's talking about if it's your first run
>your character is just as clueless
truly masterful writing
>>332212625
>your character is just as clueless
Not if you play Malk.
>>332212625
Most of the Malkavians (including her as a Malk Thin-Blood) ruin the game with what they give away.
What faction really runs the shit? Is it vampires, pentex or technocracy?
>>332212356
>That's Humanity/Path based, not age.
To be fair, books establish Humanity 5 is average among new vampires. It's not a stretch to imagine how it would go down for older vampires as they do more horrible shit. It would be fun to see how, for example, some ancient Aztec vampire's or such morality would actually fit into this. He'd probably follow some brutal Path, but still.
>>332212279
i'm not tessera, vtmb is just one of my favorite games and i don't like the unofficial patch. everything that was added in the plus patch feels like it was done by a first time modder with bugs/poor quality, and the basic patch doesn't do what the gold patch does as well.
>>332212625
Then you play Malkavian and almost everytime you talk you are spoiling something.
>>332212401
That's the point of Vampire the Masquerade though. Unbelievably powerful super beings that constantly chafe because there's always someone older and more powerful who treats you like a little bitch.
>>332212625
You can also ask her about what awaits you at the ending so she can reply something like "it doesn't matter, you already bought the game".
>>332212056
>Vicissitude, basically flesh-crafting, is a mutant dimensional virus from outer space that transforms vampires into Gigerean monstrosities.
I really wish the revision didn't make this a thing.
>>332212737
>>332212750
>>332212812
>some real shit's going down and I don't want to be around when the jack in the box goes off
>Malk Main Character: But Jack already opened the box.
>>332211816
>Mr Ox
I still am intrigued about what he is.
There were no clear indications.
>>332212196
Yeah, they think they have anyway.
>>332212329
This is why you avoid crossovers as much as possible.
>>332211923
i didn't can i ask. is it really a book or want
i want to get it to read what happens but i don't want to get something that is like make your own story up
also what book talks about this>>332211804
>>332212737
>>332212812
But if it's your first run you have no idea what you, or any of the cryptic malks, talk about. That's why Malk feels like a developer commentary mode.
>>332212356
>That's Humanity/Path based, not age.
The Age background reduces Humanity.
*Annuated: 200 years or less active, +30 freebie points, -1 Humanity
**Elder: 200 to 350 years active, +55 freebie points, -2 Humanity
***Hoary: 350 to 500 years active, +75 freebie points, -3 Humanity
****Venerable: 500 to 750 years active, +90 freebie points, -4 Humanity
*****Ancient: Active for more than 750 years (!), +100 freebie points, -5 Humanity
And again, you still have shitty caps on Disciplines without commensurate Generation dots.
>>332212776
AYAYAYAYAYA
>>332212929
It's not.
>The idea of Souleaters and Vicissitude as an alien plague received a great deal of criticism and was a divisive element of canon. The Vampire Storytellers Handbook Revised stated the idea was merely the result of a "lunatic fringe" within the Old Clan Tzimisce[12], and to be disregarded.
>>332211804
>or lilth trying to exploit a loop hole to kill caine and god slapping her shit.
There are multiple outcomes for all the Gehenna scenarios. There isn't really a canon one. For example, you can side with Cain, Lilith or Lasombra if you wanted to.
>>332213053
>also what book talks about this
Probably talking about the Book of Gehenna.
>>332212776
>stone age vampire wakes up in year 2000
Imagine that culture shock.
>>332212779
Just kidding bro
I also thought he removed that patch or shut down his site or whatever, I might do a playthrough with that to see how the game looked like originally
>>332213269
Thank fuck.
>>332211334
>best faction
>don't fit the setting too well though
I agree. I prefer to keep them as a background force and not antagonistic. They really should have gotten their own setting.(Like how you have Mage, Vampire, Werewolf, etc...).
>>332212973
Clearly awakened, likely a mage due to his trinkets.
>>332213617
Yeah, they really are OP as shit. They more or less run everything, have power armor that works without causing a fuss, and super terminators, not to mention all the spacecraft and stuff.
>>332213053
Book of Gehenna.
I'd also recommend Time of Judgment. I think that's the one where Lucifer is confronted with a Reconciler who proves that God isn't dead or gone, and the world is about to end in a post-apocalyptic nuclear war with the Earthbound. Solid read.
>It's a vtmb lore discussion thread
I don't know what the fuck is going on.
>>332210832
Fucking retard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37WarrMqs_M
So, how come the player character is so powerful and awesome compared to everyone else, despÃte being only a fledgling? Are you part of a really old generation or something? I know nothing of WoD lore.
>>332212771
Depends on what you're playing. In VtM, its the Camarilla. In Mage, it's the Technocracy. In Werewolf, it's not really Pentex (since they're just not big enough by themselves)
But again, crossovers are mostly cancer. If you play VtM, the other splats aren't going to be as important as vampires. If you're playing MtA, same thing but for mages, etc.
>>332212776
Paths aren't all that uncommon, especially among Sabbat and older vampires. In Dark Ages, nearly everyone's on a Path, with Humanity being just a path in itself.
>>332213080
>not being on a path if you're an elder
That's just the rules being dumb. Not really an uncommon thing in cWoD unfortunately.
I don't disagree though, there's absolutely no reason not to max out generation at chargen, but that still doesn't mean that a low-gen fledgling starts out more powerful than someone who put all their dots in other places.
But anyway, generation being a background is a terrible system. Our ST just set the same starting gen for everyone and that was that.
>>332213809
you are the chosen one guided by caine to resolve the camirilla's current fuckup
>>332213772
Just ride the wave, man. Its a hell of a setting
>>332213772
>not enjoying lorethreads
>>332213806
That's a mod you stupid faggot.
>>332213772
You don't need to. Magefags turned attention into them and the lore gets pretty retarded at times. Go to the wiki and read the core books and clan books if you want, otherwise ignore it.
>>332213879
>But again, crossovers are mostly cancer
Agreed. I like a lot of the settings but it's painfully clear they aren't really supposed to mesh a lot
>>332213806
Wasn't that added in with mods? Also, they really could have chosen a better line for the Sabatt leader to say to the player.
>Insignificant.
>Literally the key to their victory.
>>332213806
That's a mod. An alteration of the kuei-jin ending.
>>332213772
Ask if you want answers.
>>332213809
It remains unexplained, but there are plenty of theories, like the taxi driver arranging your embrace or some kind of magic bullshit. But it seems clearly you're not any lower than 8th gen because of the limits to 5 dots, so in my opinion, the answer is probably"because otherwise it wouldn't be a game"
>>332213617
I know little about WoD lore as a whole, but don't the Technocracy focus a lot on making sure cosmic monstrosities don't turn earth into their next snack/wasteland? Which would make them much better suited to generally being involved less in the affairs of Earth-locked factions
>>332213772
Tune in and enjoy. You might even feel the urge to read the books.
>>332213879
Dark Ages Vampire was great. Probably the finest piece of writing for a game line that White Wolf ever put out in oWoD.
>>332214107
Yeah. Makes me wonder about Paradox and their plans for 4th edition. They seem to be banking on making a real unified setting this time, which I don't mind on its own, but may cause some issues. We shall see.
>>332213768
this book?
What is the sheriff any way? Is he like some kind of high level vamp or like a promethian?
I like how Jack reacts when you install some early (or just poorely crafted) mods for this game.
>>332213879
Crossovers are definitely cancer because Old WoD games were never meant to crossover. Silly design decision, but still an intended one.
>>332213806
Thats some mod.
>>332214161
I guess just where to begin if you want to understand half of this shit.
Like just play the tabletop games? Not sure where people get all the info from.
>>332214356
That's the one. It gives a bunch of scenarios for how to run the Final Nights.
>>332214504
There's books on books on books full of this stuff.
People occasionally post em here.
Damnit /v/, you got me. Time to play again.
So far I've played as
1. Gangrel: I was expecting more animal stuff, was a bit disappointing
2. Malkavian: It was fun as hell.
Who next? Was thinking Trem, is stealth mage viable? I just really like being able to stealth in any game that offers it.
>>332214402
he says that if you punch his face in an unmodded game, too.
>>332213768
i see time of judgment for 10 should i get it
So you want to be a Tzimisce. Can you handle the clan beat, tough?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIQx-1NmVzQ
>>332214215
It's been a very long tie since I read the material, but I vaguely recall there were things in outer space which the Technocracy ended up having to fight. Initially the Void Engineers were focused on exploration and colonization, but then they began encountering awful, awful things and had to weaponize themselves.
It was implied that at least one of these horrible things was actively coming towards the Earth and the Void Engineers were the only thing between it and Humanity. There is one Mage "Time of Judgement" scenario which involves Alien creatures which eat magic attacking the Earth.
Besides that, the Technocracy focuses on monitoring Humanity, keeping awakenings controlled and guiding Humanity to tolerate scientific and technological principles to the point they can safely release new technology. For example, they'd have to focus on building up Humanity's tolerance for the idea of space travel and making them believe progress is being made to make it possible for they start allowing their star ships to start openly orbiting Earth. Otherwise, people would see these space ships in the sky and go "WOW HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE?!" and awaken.
>>332214575
Tremere is fun, though not exactly the most stealthy. Still, running around covered in a blood shield, making enemies explode while insta-draining others to keep blood points up makes for some damn fun combat.
Maybe try Nos as well? They can be pretty sneeki breeki
>>332214563
Meant to mention those, but are they actually good?
>>332209193
you have this picture for humans?
>>332214575
magic op oneshot everything.
>>332214281
Yes, I love it. Currently playing a Dark Ages VtM game with my group, it's excellent. Definitely the highlight of my week.
I feel like it's more fun/more fleshed out than modern nights, since you're not locked to the sects and you can more easily be 7th gen for those fun elder powers, and there's less masquerade shit to worry about. It's also super-neat to be able to progress years at a time to see your plans come to fruition. After all, the perhaps primary advantage of being a vampire is not dying of old age, and that's just not experienced at all in modern nights.
>>332214394
He is a nagloper, african version of the Tzimisce. A pretty powerful and low generation one as well.
>>332214683
Some goregrind seems more fitting to the clan, something like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDUM7WeslzQ
>>332214705
The novels? I'm...not nearly enough into the 90s Goth aesthetic(says the guy posting in a WoD thread) to enjoy them. They're pretty good as far as RPG fiction goes though.
Most of what we talk about here comes from the game books themselves, which contain all the rules and little tidbits of history and fluff in between.
>>332214575
I just beat it as a Tremere stealth mage grill with high Seduction, it was fun as hell. Use Auspex and Dominate to help your stealth, Thaumaturgy for when you get caught.
I went melee for my weapon, though guns might be better for Trem overall.
There is a disturbing lack of best girl in this thread
>>332214575
Most satisfying playthrough for me was Ventrue.
I loved using Dominate as a dialogue option. And combat Dominate is so fucking OP in this game.
>bunch of Tzimisce Szchlachta hand-head ghouls running at you
>they all suddenly stop, commit suicide
>>332215041
Fuck off Susan
>>332214394
He's probably a nagloper based on LaCroix's explanation that he found him in Africa and based on his Discipline spread (and appearance)
>>332214413
Yeah, except they definitely had a change of heart at some point and began weaving together all kinds of splats in various unfitting ways. (Mostly just Mage shitting on everything else.)
Thankfully, it's fully possible to just ignore that and keep them separate. It's what we do at least.
>>332214504
You could always read the source books. Either buy or pirate. Or you can just read up on the wiki, though I have to warn you, some of the info is a bit faulty/incomplete. But it's a good place to start
http://whitewolf.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page
Just be aware that this is the cWoD, NOT nWoD or CofD, the other gamelines associated with the same founding company.
>>332214705
EVERY WoD book has lots of fluff in it so even if you never intend to actually roleplay they're all interesting reading material.
>>332215041
Agreed.
What's a good name for a female gangrel?
>>332215154
FUCKING CAMMIES
>>332214647
I wouldn't pay for any of them, but Time of Judgment focuses more on Demon, KotE, Hunter, Changeling and something else. But most of the Demon books are actually really great to read.
Turns out the Carpathian God that grants Tzimisces Koldun is actually an Earthbound Demon. You also get insight into Cain, Lilith, the original curse, why the World of Darkness IS the World of Darkness, etc.
But it really triggers Werewolf and Mage fags who find their lore gets superceded and overruled by Judeo-Christian origins.
>>332214690
>Otherwise, people would see these space ships in the sky and go "WOW HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE?!" and awaken.
Pretty sure the spaceship would perhaps just start to malfunction. Not everyone has the potential to Awaken.
>>332214504
>I guess just where to begin if you want to understand half of this shit.
Start with the corebook of whatever game line interests you. It's your go-to book for basic rules, setting, themes and moods, etc. Than you branch out to other books.
>>332215229
Neonate/Fledgling. That's the only name you'll be given in the game.
>>332215229
I usually name clans with something that sounds like the clan name
So Grace
>>332215307
wait this book does not talk about cain vampires?
>>332215272
Damsel is cute, tho
>>332215229
FurSlut
>>332215307
I never saw the point of having a canon THIS IS HOW IT REALLY IS explanation anyway. I suppose people are curious, but it was guaranteed to not please everyone, and it's better to have it a secret for any particular chronicle anyway. The best STs keep that shit close to their chest until it's discovered in-game.
Have to say I prefer the judeo-christian stuff to the odd werewolf triat (EVERYTHING IS THE WYRM AND THE WEAVER) and mage's blatant disregard for anything mysterious though.
>>332215565
It does, just not as much as Gehenna. A huge chunk of the book is Kindred of the East. But if you're just looking for what specifically deals with Gehenna and not the World of Darkness around it, I wouldn't.
It's more for advanced players who know all the settings and how they interact with one another.
>play as Assamite
>[Darude Sandstorm intensifies]
So, which clan are you, /v/?
http://www.helloquizzy.com/tests/which-vampire-the-masquerade-clan-are-you
>>332215709
>I never saw the point of having a canon THIS IS HOW IT REALLY IS explanation anyway.
Selling books. You need to look at how many books White Wolf sold in the 90s purely on meta story. WoD was also second only to D&D in being top dog in the industry and now White Wolf barely exists and is sold like a cheap whore.
>>332215715
i really just want to know how the world ends for each of the vamps and all others.
>>332215594
Too bad she is kinda dead.
>>332215715
>It's more for autistic players who try and fail to mix all the settings
Fix'd
>>332215730
Assamite is a hard clan to play in a regular game unless you're all assamites or there's some undercover bullshit.
>>332215709
I just like that Werewolf players are all furry faggots who every discussion brings it back to
>my cliath is ten times stronger than a Vampire Elder XDDD
And Mages are the self-impressed psuedo-intellectuals.
>muh paradigm
>muh non-linear cause and effect
And then both their settings got BTFO and incorporated into what was originally just VtM.
>yeah, there is a God
>yeah there are angels
>yeah they did curse Caine
>your lore a shit
>>332215309
>Not everyone has the potential to Awaken.
Not everyone, but a lot. Paradox regarding technology is complicated. In all likelihood if enough space ships appeared in the sky and enoygh people saw them, the world would have a hard time paradoxing it away, hence awakening rather than paradox.
Even if they did malfunction, people would still wonder what all the falling wreckage from the sky is, what happened to all their cities they crashed on, what are the huge structures sitting in craters in the middle of their cities/all over the world, etc... and if everyone in the world was struck with amnesia over it, all kinds of other weird shit would happen because of that. There is only so far paradox can go before the amazing becomes normal. Various modern technologies that are commonly accepted used to cause paradox.
>>332215307
>But it really triggers Werewolf and Mage fags who find their lore gets superceded and overruled by Judeo-Christian origins.
As a fan of Mage I don't see how God and Magic/The Talurian can't exist together. God is just one part of a very complicated macroverse.
>>332215893
>It's more for autistic players who try and fail to mix all the settings
6 of one.
>>332215730
from my experience assamites are the notorious twink clan, along with gangrel. and by twink I mean they can be decked out for maximum carnage and are favorite min-maxer picks.
>>332215868
I got Gangrel on this a couple months ago, no big surprise
>>332215921
Not to be antagonistic, but are you aware you are doing exactly the same thing you're accusing Werewolf and Mage fans of doing? It doesn't help you're generalizing, either.
I actually enjoy the challenge of putting the settings together, but it's fine if you prefer to keep them seperate.
>>332209193
>Grey Delisle sex noises
There's one off the bucket list.
>>332215952
>As a fan of Mage I don't see how God and Magic/The Talurian can't exist together. God is just one part of a very complicated macroverse.
Except it's not in this case. All realities and deities and everything else were created by God in oWoD. This is explained in like the first book of DtF. It's how so many contradictory things exist simultaneously.
>>332215889
A girl who looks suspciously like her showed up in New World art, lemme see if I can find it.
>>332215871
Of course. I meant the reason for people wanting them in the first place. WoD is a lot better served by STs choosing their own versions of events.
Anyway, it's a bit sad. I'm not sure what WW could have done differently honestly. We're still playing VtM, but we have very little interest in new books because we feel like we have all we need already. No reason to shell out for all these weird clanbooks and barely updated versions.
It's honestly a very very cheap hobby to have. The only issue is finding non-retarded players, but books won't help you with that.
>>332215921
I strongly prefer the setting and tone of VtM myself, but the other settings are cool as well. The problem arises when you attempt to do heavy crossovers and end up with tons of contradictions and imbalances, which is why these books seem so redundant.
So I never really got the whole werewolf and gangrel thing. So gangrel are just vampires that prefer nature and being loners, and have shapeshifting powers, like Beckett? But they can turn into wolves? Can they only turn into wolves or are those manbat enemies you fight gangrel? If I play a gangrel is the "warform" you turning into a bat monster or a wolf? Can any gangrel shapeshift into any animal? Or do they each have like one animal they can turn into?
Also how do werewolves embrace others? Just a bite? Do they follow the full moon rule or are their transformations voluntary?
>>332206243
exploit the gun pickup system.
Sell every gun you aren't actively using. Whenever you pickup a gun you don't already have you just get ammo, but when you pick up for the first time you get the considerably more valuable gun itself. In some fights you can exploit this repeatedly, if there's a direct route to the vendor. Best example is downtown in the car park.
>>332215868
>I put the noose around my neck, will you get to me just in time? I've got no reason left to live and a hundred to die. I put my hands together now, hold them up to the sky. But there's no one to save me here cuz I know God is a lie.
Spot the emo goth.
>>332211712
It was kinda funny tho. Like gargoyle heads instead of a furniture and even pc monitors or posessed wires on the street. Damn malks.
>>332216158
Nah, every "I only play one setting" type has an obnoxious stereotype.
Vampire
>I dress all in black and sit in the back corner
>>there's eight other people sitting 'in the back corner'
>I sit in the ninth back corner. I brood and sneer when someone looks my way
Changeling
>lets play pranks on teacher XDDDD
>>k you have enuff dross? XDDDD
>nope LOL XDDDD
>>o well want to fuck my cat Pooka? XDDDD
>u no i do! XDDDD
And so on.
>>332215952
I think you underestimate the effects of Paradox. If you could Awaken tons of people like on an assembly line by exposing them to supernatural shit, someone would have done so already. Vulgar magic is still vulgar, and adjusting consensus is a long and time-consuming process.
Anyway, we'll never see a Mage video game ever, so it's not really relevant to the thread.
>>332216340
Damsel is eternal.
Though to be honest, redheaded Commie vampires are probably a dime a dozen.
>>332198312
>wouldn't work on a large scale
Pretty much yeah. In fact when the Anarchs aren't fighting with the Camarilla, they tend to start acting a LOT like the Camarilla.
>>332216541
Thank fuck I never ran into any Changeling players back in oWoD days. That game never fit in.
>>332216038
Assamite, Brujah, Nosferatu and Gangrel are all go-to combat powerhouses. (Though true shitters try and go for city gangrel for maximum cheese for Celerity/Protean/Obfuscate.)
But everyone knows that they're only dangerous in street fights. The REAL powergamers go Tremere, Lasombra or Tzimisce. (In that order.)
>>332216438
Gangrel are a clan with shapeshifting powers, yes. They can turn into basically any animal, but they have to choose a couple, it's not like animorphs.
PnP is a bit different from VTMB, in the video game you can't turn into a wolf, but you can turn into a wolfman. In PnP, it's the reverse.
Werewolves are a whole different monster. They don't "embrace", but breed. (yiff yiff)
Personally, I never saw the need for werewolves in a setting where you have gangrel.
>>332216438
Yeah, they're entirely separate things. In fact, most Gangrel have fuckall to do with wolves. They might frenzy and get chicken feathers or goldfish gills or something. Their "Shape of the Beast" form doesn't necessarily have to be a wolf. You could be like a puma or alligator or something, but once picked, that's what it is. They get both a "fight" and "flight" form though. So, what you generally see are "wolf and bat" but that's not their only choice.
Werewolves are a different thing entirely. They don't Embrace anyone, you're born a Werewolf. Or a Kinfolk- which is just a normal human with the super power of being able to impregnate / be impregnated by Werewolves. Werewolves can shapeshift on will, but during Full Moons it's hard for them not to shapeshift and go into a frenzy. Said frenzies are dangerous for other Werewolves too. They're like Vampires giving into the Beast in that regard.
>>332216438
Yeah, the manbats are gangrel. In the PnP you don't actually get that power unless you're really low gen, but you can turn into various animals. I *think* it's related to your personality or something
Also werewolves are born, not sired IIRC
>>332216641
> If you could Awaken tons of people like on an assembly line by exposing them to supernatural shit
That is a very small scale, though. I'm talking about a total global event. A global awakening is actually the goal of several groups and one of the things the Technocracy seeks to prevent. The Chaos that would unfold would be incalculable, and the Technocracy is all about Order and Control. If you just televise some supernatural shit as your plan to start a global awakening, paradox would probably just make everything think it was a commercial or TV show or a publicity stunt. Space Ships filling the sky, everywhere, across the world, is a totally different thing and much harder for the universe to cover up.
>>332216438
any gangrel and werewolf implied connections and some form of kinship, which at the time explained why they were safe in the wilds and weren't attacked on site by werewolves like all other vampires, were retconned pretty early on from what I remember.
>>332217098
>>332217103
So Gangrel just turn into a large animal? Is this limited to only certain animals? Like, could a Gangrel shift into a giant insect or something?
Having a hard time finding a proper torrent for the game. Incredibly interested in playing. Any help?
>>332217098
Obtenebullshit is really bullshit
>>332216664
>Though to be honest, redheaded Commie vampires are probably a dime a dozen.
Especially in and around LA i imagine.
Is this game actually worth it? It's not like Twilight or any modern vampire shit is it?
Nosferatu seems like the most intriguing class because it's my favorite vampire movie.
Any suggestions?
>>332217291
Right. Pretty dumb of the Technocracy to make reality-defying space ships if their plan is to NOT have everyone Awaken then.
How do they even get back to earth to refuel/resupply without anyone noticing?
>lol magic teleportation
>alternatively, lol magic "create stuff outta thin air" or magic stealth
This is why I have difficulties enjoying Mage/Technocracy stuff.
>>332217291
And then the Hitmarks get sent in
How the fuck do I get the game to work?
>>332200592
The best ending is situational.
Camarilla if you're a Tremere or a Toreador, for obvious reasons.
Independant if you're a Nosferatu, you can just hang out underground playing videogames, browsing the Internet, and you might be taught some hacking, all while being pretty much safe until Gehenna.
LaCroix if you're playing a Ventrue right, otherwise Camarilla.
Anarch if you're anything else.
Only go Kuei-Jin if you're playing a character who fucking hates vampires and wants to help destroy them, I guess.
>>332217664
Some Anne Rice stuff here and there, but nothing close to Twilight. Go for it, install the unofficial patch and you are good to go.
>>332217681
To be fair Technocracy can even not factor at all in your Mage game. Hell, they're about Traditions by default.
>>332217937
Should I install a graphics mod of any kind?
>>332217893
Why Camarilla for a Toreador? There's like a dozen Toreadors in-game and they're all Anarch.
Same with Nosferatu. There's a fuckton of Nosferatu in-game and they're all Camarilla.
>>332204957
Oh fuck yes, new patch is out? What's been ch-
>>332211534
Fuck that then.
Anything changed that makes it worth installing despite them removing shit?
>>332217403
It's not a "giant" animal, it's just an animal. And no, I don't think insects are possible, it has to be of a particular size. So anything between a rat and a tiger. (No elephants.)
Elder powers lets you do tons of crazy shit though, this is only for the "low-level" vampires, so to speak. If you're old/powerful enough, you can do pretty much whatever, that goes for all clans.
>>332217467
It really is, and it's hilarious how seldom it's brought up in balance discussions. Presumably it's because the Tremere are even more bullshit, and Lasombra are less common since they're Sabbat, but Obtenebration is absolutely ridiculous.
>>332217458
https://kat.cr/usearch/vampire%20the%20masquerade%20bloodlines/
Sometimes I wonder how braindead you people are.
>>332217681
Like I said, a mass awakening would be Chaos. In all likelihood a huge number of Awakened souls might not want to join the Technocracy or share their ideals, and many would oppose the Technocracy or just want to do their own thing, to say nothing of those who would become drunk with power, go insane and possibly become marauders, try to take over the world, and so forth. The Technocracy wants to prevent or control Awakenings to make sure they occur on their terms.
The final goal is to eventually prepare Humanity to accept their technology in a way that does not cause paradox or mass uncontrolled awakenings.
The Technocratic Union is fucking corrupt at this point, though, and it's more about control than technological enlightenment and humanities flourishing.
>>332218013
No, just the Unofficial patch, try not to put any of the plus stuff until a second playthrough.
>>332218086
I had been on Kickass Torrents but due to the low seeder and leecher counts I didnt want to right out risk it. I simply asked because I figured you guys had a specific torrent you used or something.
>>332217726
Step 1: get wesps unofficial patch 9.4 from here
http://www.patches-scrolls.de/patch/4647/7/72004
Step 2: install it
Step 3 be vampire
Look into the clan quest mod if you want a little extra content that isn't intrusive or gamechanging
>>332218213
This. Unofficial is top-tier and contributed to by the original developers, the plus stuff gets into some fanfic cringe territory.
>>332217403
Protean level 4 gives a Gangrel two animal forms, which are decided when they acquire the ability and can't be changed.
They're called fight form and flight form. Flight form is for running away, so it's a small animal, most common is bats, ravens, or stuff. However it could be anything that helps you get away, not necessarily a flying animal, so a cat or a mouse are fine.
Fight form for fucking people up. Most common is wolf, but mostly any animal that can fight is plausible, like tiger, bears, and stuff. They have to take a certain size, so if you turn in to a wolf it's a big wolf, but if you turn into a bear it's a small bear.
I believe the Gangrel clanbook mentions dudes turning into giant rats and spiders, but I have to check, so don't quote me on that.
>>332217938
WHO YOU GONNA CALL?
>>332218103
>The Technocratic Union is fucking corrupt at this point, though
Yeah it's a shame. They still do more good than the mages or any other big group really. I'd join them in a heartbeat
Is the gold patch compatible with final nights and clan quest mod?
>>332218103
That has literally nothing to do with what I said. If anyone accuses you of being a dumb tripfag, this is why.
>>332218273
15 seeders is more than enough, especially for such an old-ass game.
>risk it
Oh wait, you're one of those computer illiterates who can't tell a fake/virus-infested torrent from a real one, aren't you?
Anyway, if you want to be 100% safe, it's on Steam, but it's not like the money's going to the developers anyway, hence why most pirate. But might be the easier route if you can't handle a torrent.
>>332218575
As a normie or a Mage? Mages tend to be put to work theorizing, designing, building and testing advanced technology to be use by normies. A Mage amongst Technocrats is more of a magic item maker than any other form of Magic user.
Deus Ex got revitalized, so there's hope for Vampires.
Right?
>>332218301
What is the unofficial plus stuff exactly? I've never seen a write up on what it adds
>>332218883
too niche of an audience to make a profit
Just finished it myself.
I loved it but holy shit the last part of the game was fucking awful.
I know the game went through development hell, but was it really necessary to go full Vampire Holocaust?
>>332218883
Yes, Paradox bought the WoD and intend to do something with it. They already stated that they will do a new video game, although nothing has been announced yet.
>>332218830
Whatever man, just looking to play the game. Thanks though for the help with the torrents though.
>STRG+F debof
Shameful display. Stay a while and listen.
http://debofnight.andcuriouser.com
>>332218830
I'm telling you why they don't just use their technology/space ships to cause mass awakenings.
>>332218874
as a normie. I just want to eviscerate reality deviants and put the world to order with power armor and plasma cannons
>>332211534
Damn, the whispers were the best part of it.
>>332211850
I'm not well versed in WoD lore, but from what I understand a vampire of the PC generation has absolutely no chance against a vampire right?
>>332218883
Paradox did buy the franchise, so there will be some kind of vidya developed for it soon-ish. But whether that will be anything like VTMB is unknown at this point. It will be based around their 4th edition overhaul, and who knows what kind of changes that will entail. Personally, I'd rather they left most things intact, just curtailing most of the Gehenna bullshit.
Unfortunately, they seem intent on crossovers, probably meaning lots of shoehorned-in Mage/Werewolf crap into muh VtM. But we'll see.
>>332218883
Paradox just bought White Wolf like four or five months ago and announced that they were going to work on some digital titles.
So barring Paradox going out of business, I'd expect to see new VtM titles soon(ish).
>>332219064
>>332218883
>>332219000
Actually Paradox bought the entirety of White Wolf. New books are already confirmed for 2016.
I just beat it for the first time tooI opened itWhen the game didn't give me an option to walk away with the key I figured I was locked into apocalypse ending so I cracked it open myselfPlayed like a damn fiddle
>>332219064
>>332219239
>>332219240
I see I wasn't the only one keeping an eye on that.
>>332219321
Is it really being played like a fiddle when they just didn't give you the options? There is no reason why you couldn't just dive out the window when you realized what had happened, especially if you're a Gangrel.
>>332218614
Please someone respond, i always played unmodded.
>>332212776
Aztecs used to kill people to make the sun rise right? Maybe an Aztec vampire goes out of the way to prevent deaths so that the sun never rises again.
>>332218924
http://vtmb.wikia.com/wiki/Unofficial_Patch
Does a good job explaining what's in what.
Is he ded
>>332194931
I hope you didn't actually like Yukie and you were just being ironic. She's a badly-acted weeb fantasy insert.
>>332205029
What patch did you have when you realised this? I have an older plus patch since I heard of some changes to the vanilla content that I didn't approve of. They should be fixing bugs not removing stuff that has been perfectly fine for ages
>>332219064
>>332219239
>>332219240
>>332219271
I know but I really hope a new game will do well, like HR.
I mean FUCK, replace augmented people with vamps and you're basically golden
>>332219562
Read the fucking mod page, they tell you if its compatible or not.
>>332219671
what is up with his eye
>>332219054
Yeah, ending is extremely rushed. Even with the unofficial patch, it's pretty awful. Good thing the rest of the game made up for it.
>>332219201
And that's not relevant to anything I said at all. I already know they're not interested in mass awakenings, I'm telling you why I think Mage is a fairly shoddy setting when they've committed themselves into delivering outer space exploration into a game that is supposed to be based on a late 90s setting. Everything is just explained away by "lol, it's magic bro, I ain't gotta explain shit", which is just lazy. It completely destroys any incentive to be creative.
Your problem is that you're currently stuck in "lorefag mode", were you assume that anyone who responds to you know nothing of the source material and would just LOVE to sit here and listen to you prattle on all evening long, instead of actually reading the responses and thinking before answering.
>>332219671
He is merely pretending.
>>332219234
The PC is actually implied to be very low gen.
>>332219671
>tfwCainewas in the box.
>>332218883
You mean vampires in general? I don't think they've ever not been popular, they're just mostly for normies now.
Some good stuff still happens though, pic related.
>>332220000
Caine was the cab driver.
>double, trips, quads, all on the worst post
>>332219907
Probably injured and had some jewelry cover the empty socket.
>>332219835
>>332219271
>>332218883
I really do hope they start with a general "World of Darkness" game where you play a normal person who becomes a Hunter. This would be a great way to introduce gamers with no prior-experience with the setting to every aspect of it. From Vampires, to Werewolves, to Mages, to Changelings, to Mummies, and so forth. This can also lay the groundwork, and can then be branched out into Vampire, Mage and Werewolf settings.
>>332219835
It's Paradox, not Ubishit.
So it will have a ton of DLC, not be extremely popular, but probably a decent game in itself, with no idiotic standard Ubisoft bullshit like we see in all the Asscreed/Farcry games nowadays.
>>332219716
She's a parody of anime stereotypes, anon. That's why people like her.
>>332218337
I just checked.
>It has become more common in recent years for the rare Gangrel to assume the gigantic form of an animal that does not ever reach such size in nature -- spiders, wasps, scorpions, rats, hyenas and others...
>Gangrel who assume these exotic forms, particularly the insectoid varieties, often have very strange, even alien ways of thinking and behaving...
Also forgot the mention they can only turn into predators or scavengers.
>>332203421
>Malkavian: There WAS a Camarilla Primogen (Alistair Grout) but you never get to meet him. And there IS an Anarch Baron (Therese/Jeanette), and since she has a Ghoul too (Vandal)... Faction: Anarch
Pay more attention to the intro video.
>>332219610
That doesn't really seem like much at all.
>>332220140
I know he was the cab driver you fucking fun vacuum autist, it was just a nice little idea.
>>332220323
>people like her
Literally who? I've never seen any discussion with her brought up where the overwhelming majority disliked her or didn't know her, and there was always one single guy insisting she was good.
So whos the oldest vampire besides Cain whos still around?
>>332220351
>non-named NPC fillers that exist only in cut scenes
Yeah, that doesn't count anymore than the Sabbat with claws count as extra Brujah NPCs.
>>332219983
But why no one gives a shit about that?
Is Ventrue a good clan for a first playthrough?
>>>332221111
>>332220429
I do. She was not a fleshed out character or anything because you see, she's a joke, and her quest was funny enough.
>>332219907
It was in style in 1000 BC
>>332215868
>tfw Malkavian
>>332220543
Yes, anyone but Malk or Nossie are good to play on the first playthrough.
>>332215868
Malk and Ravnos. Well shit, at least Ravnos have fun powers.
>>332220539
Because they're all retards who haven't taken Auspex.
>>332220536
Watch when LaCroix talks about the privilege of siring and how he can grant or deny permission to embrace. See the interaction between Isaac and Therese.
Or ask Tung about Therese. She's Camarilla.
>>332220153
>that image
Just another reason Mage jumped the shark a long time ago. EVERYTHING just has to be explained by Mages doing Mage stuff. Humans don't do ANYTHING without the express permission of Mages or their related antagonists. So fucking dumb.
>I really do hope they start with a general "World of Darkness" game where you play a normal person who becomes a Hunter.
Too broad a scope, won't happen. And Hunter tends to make every other splat way too common and cheap anyway. Why would Joe Nobody be able to easily murder ancients left and right without being ripped to shreds after a single night, unless he's in the Inquisition, which presents its own issues.
Consider all the Hunter games we've seen yet: Silly arcade games where you're basically just running around murdering a billion monsters Diablo-style. A proper Hunter game might be fun, sure, but it's not gonna happen.
>From Vampires, to Werewolves, to Mages, to Changelings, to Mummies, and so forth
>implying anything but the big three will get anything but a passing mention
Maybe Wraith because the lead developer loves it, but that's a whole other can of worms.
But it's obvious the main focus will be Vampire. It has always been the biggest, most popular splat by far. While I do think Mage will get something, you're delusional if you think the magic system will be anything akin to PnP, so it will mostly be a disappointment.
>>332215868
Assamites. too bad i have no clue about any of this.
>>332220680
I keep hearing that, but I don't know why.
Why are Malk and Nos bad for beginners?
>>332219983
>>332220539
They're only 8th gen, considering their bloodpool
Anyone ever have some good stories from the game?
>sieging the humans underground base
>playing gangrel, 100% rip n tear, feeling very comfortable soaking all the bullets
>get to the big open cavern
>leap over some crates
>screen turns white
>Character takes flight, bumps the top of the cave and then slides against the wall and falls to the floor
>half my health left
>mon visage quand
I later learned those crates were explosives. Guess they mustve shot them
>>332220140
Whaaaaaaaaat? is there any evidence of that or just a fan theory?
>>332220463
The Antedeluvians, Caine's grandchilder. They ate all the second generation. Although, a lot of those don't exist anymore either.
Tremere never had one, neither did Giovanni. Followers of Set's is dead, so's Lasombra, Brujah and Ravnos and kinda sorta but not really Tzimisce. Etc.
>>332221101
I don't think she's 'with them' yet, but wants to turn Santa Monica over to them
>>332221184
Malkavian changes dialog so much that it's difficult for new players to figure out what the fucks going on.
Nosferatu are buttfuck ugly and because of this they have to change their entire playstyle to revolve around stealth and using the sewers
>>332215868
Tzimisce master race.
>>332221265
Well one hes a vampire, you can see that when you auspex
Two, the malkavian PC loses his godamn shit around him
>>332221101
...no she's not. She identifies in-game as an Anarch Baron multiple times. She's just more receptive to the Camarilla than the rest of the Anarchs.
>>332220463
Third generation, meaning antediluvians. Most of them are probably alive, but it's hard to tell at this point.
>>332220789
Enjoy being a gypsy.
>>332220986
He can't be lower than 8th gen, or else he'd be able to get dots beyond 5.
>>332221198
8th gen is pretty godamn low tier in modern times
Are there any stories of Antediluvians showing up and ruining everything in the lore books?
>>332221265
The game files list him as Caine. Also, the Malkavians throughout the game refer to him as "Dark Father" with reverence.
I love this game, but it's fucking bullshit that there's a Kuei Jin ending and not a Sabbat one. Doesn't the Tzimisce you meet try to recruit you, too?
>>332221184
Nos offers a very different gameplay, where you have to hide in sewers most of the time. Malk tends to have obscured spoilery dialogue - I played Malk first and I didn't understand most of it. Really made it fun to try to figure it out, though.
>>332221634
Yes. Google week of nightmares
>Tfw you play Malkavian for first time and get to cab.
>Second time you play, you realize who you are talking to.
>TFW it is heavily implied that vampire is actually VERY low generation probably weakened by Cain himself to that he isn't outright killed by fucking LeFrance Prince on spot (as he fears that)
>TFW you actually can deduct LaCroix uses domination on you ("LOOK AT ME") and when you storm his tower, your powers are unlocked enough to make it don't work anymore. And make him bed.
>FUCKING LONE WOLF ENDING.
>>332219671
ded ghoul
>>332221634
Look up Week of Nightmares and the Gehenna books.
>>332221184
Malkavians are crazy. So when you're in conversation they have different options than the other clans. If you were a regular vampire you would say "Hey I saw a ghost" whereas the malkavian dialogue option would be "I SEE DEAD PEOPLE." A lot of it is legitamately funny but it can be hard to understand exactly what each dialogue choice means. You could try them first but keep in mind you're playing as a weirdo.
The Nosferatu are hideous monsters and you can never raise your appearance stat, so forget trying to hold any sort of conversation with a normal human being that isn't quest important. If people catch prolonged looks at you on the street they'll scream, run, and call the cops, and if you remain in the limelight too long you'll get a masquerade strike and congrats, now vampire hunters are on your ass. So, you'll spend a lot of time creeping through shadows and sewers and eating rats for food. They're fun and great for stealth but by playing them you're voluntarily missing out on a large part of the game, which is mingling in the world. Your call really but that's why they're not recommended for your first run.
>>332221728
speaking of which, how does jesus fit into wold canonically?
>>332221728
>And make him bed.
If you were a Mage you could turn him into a bed and smash him to pieces I suppose.
>>332221728
PC VAMPIRE*
BEG EVEN*
>>332221728
>tfw the cab driver really is Caine
>tfw your Malk says like father like child
>>332221898
I have no idea, to be honest. I'm not that deep into lore, just game.
>>332221831
I love there was idea of Malkavian crazy as "I'm only sane person in the world." That would make him think everybody are insane and he would act sane. Nice idea, really. Sadly, I don't know if it is canon or only /tg/
>>332221634
Outside Ravnos, Tzimisce is still awake and conscious. He orchestrated his own "diablerie" and has essentially transcended vampirism.
>>332221250
>Be ventrue
>Never had problems with frenzying because I'm a high society bitch and not a dirty monster
>Exhaust all my blood killing krieger or whatever his name was in the underground hunter training area
>Get to Johanson
>Chat him up about the coffin and history
>Get to the end of the conversation
>He seems cool enough so I say "Don't worry I'll get you out of here"
>He says "oh good lets go then"
FRENZY CHECK
>I fail
>screen goes red and my vampire mauls Johanson to death
>Back to normal
>His body is crumpled up dead in the corner
Whoops. The place exploded anyways but I felt bad at the time as I really didn't need to kill him.
>>332222094
There's as many forms of Malk craziness as there are mental illnesses in the world. If played right, though, they should always be debilitating since that's their curse.
That's part of why people consider the PC Malk to be a bit of a Fishmalk: his curse only manifests as funny dialogue and insight.
>>332221898
Very lightly. He's mentioned in the Days of Fire Demon: The Fallen book and so acknowledged as a relevant and important event, but the whole franchise sort of shies away from touching too much on the actual Christian side of the Judeo-Christian faith.
Probably because by this time we're already well past the Age of Wrath and the angelic war is over and the world is now full of werewolves, vampires, changelings, mages and the like.
>>332221898
He was supposedly just a Mage.
>>332222190
Doesn't he come back in one of the Gehenna books as a godzilla monster? And then Saulot is a little kid who dies for our vampire sins to kill all the other Antediluvians?
Fucking White Wolf, man. Holy fucking shit.
>>332221998
>tfw White Wolf retconned it for a stupid book
Out of all the drivel that White Wolf created for the Masquerade line, though, it was the most bearable.
Traded in Giovanni vampires sucking the blood out of erect kine penis for Beckett running around withfucking Caineand beating the shit out of his old partner, some goofy Nosferatu who dual wielded flare guns and killed Victoria Ash andJack..
>>332222795
It's mostly because at that time, PnP wad very much reviled, WoD even more so. If Jesus turned out to be, say, a mage, the backlash from Christian organizations would have done a lot of damage.
>yfw Paradox and Obsidian finally announce and new WoD game
>>332223065
>at that time
This was in the early-mid 2000's, not 1970's
>>332223192
>mfw plebs actually believe this
>>332223192
It's going to be from an isometric perspective. I just know it.
>>332223192
how long have you been waiting to post this picture
>>332223192
Here's hoping it's not a nWoD game. cWoD or bust.
>>332223192
>Obsidian
Doubt it, they are too busy with Tranny
>>332223379
a few millennia
>>332223026
They killed Victoria Ash? Fuck that cunt, she should have died much earlier. Tried reading some of the fiction and kept seeing her, never hated a character that much.
>>332223260
I used to play WoD back then and there was still a lot of stigma from certain groups. The fact that most Vampire players were edgy as fuck didn't help. I don't hear much about it now, maybe because PnP games are much lighter or less popular.
>>332223523
They're still pretty big, famalam. LARP is still huge too if you're the sort that wants to dress up.
>don't call me "he" my character is a girl
>>...dude.
>>332223523
LARP in my town had a weirdly positive effect.
We used to have crazy drug dealers who'd chill out downtown at night, but a group of fucking LARPers started up at place nearby, and the dealers thought this group of even crazier motherfuckers was coming in, all wearing black trenchcoats, spooky face paint, and duffel bags. It was fucking great.
>>332222484
I think the Ventrue playthrough is the best playthrough. Dominate in dialogue is the tits, and most of his abilities lend themselves very well to combat too.
Shame his character model looks like such a yuppie doucher though.
...I mean, I get why, but still. The Tremere guy looks alpha as fuck though.
>>332223496
Yeah, she was awful. Actually, all the signature characters were fucking awful. The only exclusions I can think of are Beckett and Theo Bell.
>>332214725
SOURCE
i beg you
>>332224016
Something about LARP really attracts the degenerates though. In TT you generally have that married couple or the guy who brings his girlfriend. In LARP? Everyone was constantly fucking everyone. Rare is the LARPer girl that isn't the game mattress.
>>332214763
how easy is it to get into WoD if you are a total retard/ new to tabletop role-playing like me?
I don't think much of it for regular group play since it's so personal-oriented, but Wraith would make for an amazing PS:T-style game.
>>332224358
Pretty easy. WoD is TT-lite. D&D has stats ranging into the hundreds in some cases with a shitton of dice types.
WoD is just dots representing, generally 1-5, and only one kind of die rolled.
Why do people like this game? The mechanics are a clunky mess. It feels more like a really bad fan made HL2 mod than a proper release even with all the patches.
Ugh, ive tried downloading the torrent multiple times yet it always says the iso is corrupt. How am I supposed to fix this shit?
>>332224271
Shaotek's personal Damsel model.
>>332224314
Dude, that's just any co-ed group of nerds period. GenCon is basically just a place to get laid.
>>332224680
People know and love the setting. If you don't know shit about Vampire the Masquerade it's probably just an okay game. If you do, this game is awesome.
>>332224831
Fair point.
>>332224793
What mounting tool are you using? I used that same torrent a few months ago and it ran fine with Daemon Tools Lite.
>>332224793
Try another source?
>>332224898
i played it for the first time in 2008 knowing absolutely nothing about it or the lore and it's one of my favourite games of all time
>>332225106
Its corrupt straight out of extraction from Winrar. Not sure if I should set it to ignore the damaged file though as it could cause problems.
>>332225116
It's the only torrent I found for the game that seems legitimate.
>>332224898
i didnt know shit about this game, still good. atmosphere and dialogue sells it.
>>332224680
Easy. Setting, atmosphere, characters, writing, RP freedom. I think the first time i fought anyone, after the tutorial, was Gimble. That's roughly 5 hours in.
>>332225223
Delete it, download it again and use other program to extract, something like 7zip.
>>332215868
9 Toreador/8 Gangrel/ 7 Tremere
Surprisingly low on Malkavian(-3, and I even picked cowbell and Darude Sandstorm) which is what I usually get on these quest.
>>332197895
I recently learnt that camarilla is actually a real word which means "unofficial council of courtiers". Use it whenever you want to impress someone in a political discussion
>>332215868
drats
>>332215868
Malk and gangrel.
Neat.
>>332205484
>only spoke with him as malk and toreador
I don't think I've ever had a regular dialogue with him.
>>332215041
if shes a stripper wouldnt her customers notice when they get a lap dance and shes ice fucking cold, or when someone comes back there after like 30 years and sees that she hasn't aged at all.
>>332227230
pretty sure vampires can use magic to give themselves body heat andlove juices
Is there a play through randomizer image for VTMB like in dark souls?
Any reason to go for guns? Which clan utilise it best?
>>332215868
Nosferatu, as usual.
Ravnos and Malkavian were the runner ups. I'd rather be a sewer rat than a fucking gypsy anyway.
>>332215868
>Assamite and Malkavian
wat.
>>332227392
>>332227230
It's just blood, not magic. The lower your humanity the more blood you have to spend.
>>332227474
Toreador.
>>332227441
That would be really cool. Only problem is there aren't as many options. It would just be which clan and if you're using unarmed/melee/guns and then if you wanna do persuasion or hacking etc.
>>332220543
Is started with Ventrue, stopped playing around chinatown because everything just was too powerful for me. Just keep in mind that social and persuasion won't always save you, while blood magic and fighting skills will help you out of any situation
>>332227392
Janette couldn't, which is why she uses blood when she has sex with you.
>>332227474
Yes, the second half of the game where things get more combat orientated. Clans that use clerity, like Brujah and Toreador seem to get good use out of them because you can go all matrix-y with them.
>>332209892
Courtenay Taylor voices Heather, Damsel AND Rosa?
Holy fuckI knew there was a reason I enjoyed her voice so much in FO4
Are there any podcasts or radio shows like the Deb of Night? That one rain-themed website doesn't count.
I tried playing this a while back but for some reason all the geometry in the game looked slanted slightly. It's like the camera was tilted to the right just a little. Made me feel sick walking around.
>>332215868
>Assamite
>You strive to gain power, recognition and immortality but death to you is by no means a dishonor or an end. Death is only the beginning...
legit
>>332215868
>malk
the only mystery is that we doubted it before
>>332225467
Thank you. No errors this time around. Very grateful.
okay, you win, I'll reinstall it
Fuck, of course. No problems with extracting but the some files end up corrupt during the actual installation.
>>332228594
I actually didn't like that Malkavians were depicted as "LOL SO RANDOM". That is not what being a Malkavian is about.
>>332228970
>not wanting to be /fishmalk/
toppest of keks me m8ey
>>332228517
With or without the patch? Did you set the resolution yourself or picked one from the ingame menu?
>>332215868
16 Ravnos and 12 Setite....
I am not sure how worried I should be at this point
>all these Malkavian results
Is there something you want to tell me, /v/?
>>332229582
Might represent inconsistency in the answers given.
>>332215868
>Tremere 17
>Nosferatu 15
>Giovanni 13
Clan First, Cammys last
>>332229582
I masturbate to females with penises.
>>332229126
latest unofficial patch. picked from menu.
>>332229993
Never make any changes to the graphics in the menu. Use the resolution changer that comes with the mod. I think it's in the main directory with the .exe.
>>332229582
it's almost like you think this site if full of level-headed, sane peopleyou got change for a five?
>>332230253
>She's just in one giant boot
5/7 blew air from nostrils
So, after or during the 14-15th generation there is no point in embracing new vampires as one of those gens, as they will be just about as weak as a human?
Are there any numbers, even roughly, on how many there are of each gen? I assume lower generations don't sire a whole lot either?
>>332229739
>masturbating to FEMALES with penises
casul
>>332215868
>Brujah
How?
>>332230196
It says the changer is integrated now. There's a widescreen box in the menu. It's really fucking weird. If I move to the right, everything looks straight but it's just slightly crooked when standing still.
>>332230851
>I assume lower generations don't sire a whole lot either?
Not under the Camarilla they don't.
>>332230851
At that point their blood is too thin to sire other Vampires or even create ghouls. 15th Generation is thin enough that some can even go into the sun.
Also, fuck you too captcha.
>>332231256
Couldn't vamps just seize the world by force if their lower gens are so stupidly strong?
I don't get all this tipping on toes around humans. Just go full matrix and grow them in vats for sucking later after taking over the world.
>>332231790
Modern technology is what makes the vampires wary. It was mentioned in the books that no matter how much damage you can soak as an 800y old vampire, a missile is going to kill you. Not to mention a lot of really old vampires are so out of date with the modern tech, they will be outpaced by humans in a hearthbeat. Then there's the whole numbers thing, as there are a lot more humans than vampires. Put it all together and it's a very good reason as to why vampires don't try to take over the world.
Tremere a shit
>>332231790
>~3 billion humans who could put up a fight if need be
>the power of the military of every nation
>extremely weak to fire
>instant death if touched by sunlight(not UV radiation for some reason)
vs
>maybe 100 million vampires and other mythical creatures
Yeah, nah. Besides, as Jack put it, it's much easier to deceive humans than to kill them.
>>332231790
>Couldn't vamps just seize the world by force if their lower gens are so stupidly strong?
Even without taking the other settings into consideration, Humanity shits all over Vampires.
Taking the other settings into consideration, such as Mage, both the Technocracy and the Seers of the Throne are more influential and powerful collectively, and allow Vampires to exist because the maintaining of the Masquerade actually suits their purposes of suppressing knowledge of the supernatural. The Masquerade isn't just about Vampires, if people find out Werewolves exist, for example, they'll start to wonder what else exists as well...
With the Werewolf setting, The Wyrm holds some power over Vampires, and Pentex corporation is aware of Vampires existence and employs them.
>>332232429
Could be worse, at least the Salubri had allies to help them fend off the Tremere and help them to get to some safe haven. The real tragedy here is the loss of the Cappadocian, the Giovanni took over and no one even lift a finger to help those poor fucks.
>>332232619
>>332232461
>>332232142
>TL;RD for anyone
If Masquarade fails, everybody are fucked up. Last think vampires, werewolfs and everyone need are humans getting into witch hunts again.
This time with fucking army, hunters official support and God know what else fucking everything around. It would not only break status Quo, it would shit on board of Game (aka everything), jump on it and break it into pieces.
Not worth it, at all.
>>332232461
>100 million vampires and other mythical creatures.
There are nowhere near that many Vampires, Werewolves, Mages, etc... 100 million is a big number.
Mages would probably side with Humanity, especially if they prove they can provide solutions to fight the other supernatural denizens.
There was actually a Gehenna scenario where Vamps became common knowledge, and at first things were going surprisingly well, but then Humanity began digging and finding out all kinds of disturbing information, and war eventually broke out.
Only vaguely related, but there is a Faction in Vampire: The Requiem called The Commonwealth which wants to unite all denizens of the Earth: Humans, Vamps, Werewolves, Mages, Spirits, etc... into one society. Even going so far as to designing city plans and services to accommodate those strange entities.
>>332232142
Numbers doesn't sound like they would matter when each vampire can sire...as many as he/she can? Then depending on generation those vampires can do it again.
It would work like a virus, doubling in numbers every so often. I suspect world domination would occur basically by infiltration and overwhelming urban areas. Not with conventional warfare. Also, everyone sired retain memories, yes? Each new vamp is a modern capable vamp.
>>332232461
>100 mil vampires
If even half of that reaches a victim to sire you'll have 50 mil more and it will just keep going up. Humans can't keep up with Tyranid-esque reinforcements.
>>332231790
It doesn't help that you have other supernaturals that try and protect the humans, a ton of werewolves value gaia, nature, and humans. In most cases outside of gen 4 and lower, a werewolf WILL beat a Vampire. Vampires have way more to lose than a werewolf, a Vampire could have existed for 1000s of years, they become complacent and willing to just go with the waves. Werewolves only live as long as a human, they have like 100 years at most to live and they go day by day living shit to the fullest and in most ways they are 100% willing to martyr themselves to help stop the Wyrm
>>332233064
>Bathrooms for Male/Female/Trans/Tzicisme that don't even remember what the fuck they were
>>332215868
I'm ok with thisBest clan
>>332233247
They can't just look in their pants?
>>332233247
There's no Tzimisces in Requiem. There is only five clans with a tone of shitty bloodlines.
>>332233247
>Tzicisme
Get in all bathrooms.
>mfw not going to get to play this game because the planets have aligned to stop me.
>both winrar and 7zip see the .iso as corrupt
>if I can make it past that then another file within the .iso is marked as corrupt during installation and it stops.
>>332233330
Tzimisce can model their own bodies at will, including but not limited to changing your gender, so they can be entirely different people on consecutive nights.
Also it seems we're on autosage. Vampire lorefagging threads are the best thing on this board.
>>332211584
>yfw Ravnos was literally the runt of the litter for antediluvians
Good thread. Time for torpor. See you all in the fog of ages.
>>332233819
Are you trying to open the iso with rar or 7zip? Just mount it with Daemon Tools or burn it.
>>332233067
Only the newest embrace is bloodbound to the sire, I think. So, if he goes around mass embracing, suddenly there's a pack of hungry angry vampires at his doorstep with no loyalty and out for revenge.
They could resent the curse of the undeath, or not know they are vampires and fight for humans, or Count Cunt made them drink the blood of their parents/espouse/kids and they want revenge, or extremely opportunistic assholes who side with the humans so they can continue existing under the new regime.
How much blood do vampires need to spend to embrace? Is it like zombies where they can bite people and turn them immediately indefinitely or do they need to drink a bloodbag or another human to have enough vitae to give?
>>332233110
Wasn't humanity tainted with the spirit of the Weaver or something? I guess there's loyal pooch and eco-feminist dyke within the werewolves. Anyway, if anyone is to be siding with humanity it would probably be the Mages. Now that'd be a show.
>>332234000
No, I am extracting the files with winrar or 7zip and then attempting to mount the iso with Daemon Tools
>>332234396
Oh. I dunno then, I'd suggest redownloading. Good luck anon
>>332194654
>if the messarch was just a dead old corpse then who slaughtered everyone on the Dane?Jack, you fucking idiot, it was him from the start.
>>332234364
Most of Human society is infused with a small fraction of the Weaver's power, as Human civilization is largely built around order and building.
The Weaver going mad may or may not have affected Human society, though his attack on The Wyrm, which caused The Wyrm to go mad, did cause the Wyrm to actively try to corrupt and tear down society in various ways.
>>332224831
No, I mean that picture specifically. I know the model (and I wish the fucker would release it)
>>332194961
Stop putting spoilers in images like this,
im having a code red situation here, /v/
i went to start a new playthrough after reading this thread, and the game wont launch. nothing happens when i run the .exe, nothing shows up in task manager. this is the first time this has happened. i dont think ive installed any new mods since i last played. any suggestions or insight would be greatly appreciated
