>Venom's existence
>Skullface out of nowhere with his 'I was there all along' bullshit
>Diamond Dogs never heard from again despite being supposedly huge
>You don't fight Cipher at all, just one of their divisions that went rogue
>Volgin back for no fucking reason
>You never see the character evolution that led BB to turn into the antagonist of MG1 and 2
I will never not be upset
What about Sniper fucking Wolf?
>>331366718
or Grey Fox
>>331366583
The game is a mess. I don't even know what Kojima was trying to achieve with it.
Liquid and Mantis as fan service and bringing Volgin back were the stupidest decisions ever.
It was a rushed game (or to be more accurate, Kojima lost control of the budget, Konami axed him and he had to ship whatever he could)
>>331366583
>>You never see the character evolution that led BB to turn into the antagonist of MG1 and 2
We got that in Peace Walker. It's pretty dark at times, but it's hidden well in the midst of Metal Gear wackiness
I liked the gameplay and story
i have never played any metal gears before
The game was intended to be a three part epic. Everything in the game points in that direction. Konami wanted to get off of Kojima's wild ride, and unlike us, Konami could end it when they wanted to. And so they did. They got off the ruse cruise and killed Kojima and his love child.
I spent around two hours today rewriting the game in my head.
It ended up pretty good and it made me smile, but then I remembered it will never become a reality, and got sad again.
>>331366583
>>You never see the character evolution that led BB to turn into the antagonist of MG1 and 2
Yes you do. It's called Peace Walker
>>331366583
This game could've been so good if Konami hadn't aborted it in the womb. God damn yakuza and their pachinko.
Something I noticed is in the ACC, Venom has a red light and white light both shining on his face, meant to symbolize morality obviously. But he never does anything demonic the whole game. The worst possible thing you can do is build a nuke.
>>331367971
Big Boss does nothing evil in Peace Walker
>>331368107
Why does he have to do evil to change his views?
>>331366786
Or Raiden in his Jack the Ripper days?
>>331368107
At the end he is 100% the person portrayed in MG2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMilA34KGXw
MGSV's biggest downfall was its incompleteness. We only got about half of the game. Kojima probably shot too high.
>>331368251
>there are actually people who think Hayter's voice isn't completely shit now
he ruins that speech
>>331366583
Just let it go anon. Stop opening the wound it is over ROVER! Konami said no story DLC plus it is a big empty game and after playing through all essential missions there is no point in going back.
>>331368251
>>331368251
>>331368251
Jesus fucking Christ I am so glad that Hayter got fired. That was terrible.
>>331368351
Listen to Hayter in other shit, he doesn't sound like a growl monster, it's just that Peace Walker had shitty voice direction.
>>331366583
>I will never not be upset
are you baiting people to explain the game to you ?!
>>331368516
nah there have been times when he has done the voice at cons and in interviews and shit. His voice is shot
>>331368251
Badass speech, shame PW is the most boring game in the series.
MGS5 is like a cautionary tale for me now: never get too hype ever again for a video game.
I'm glad its over though, I don't trust Kojima anymore. When nerds get hype about some hope that another chapter will be added as DLC or something I don't even understand why; like wasn't it ruined enough?
>>331368107
who said anything about 'evil'? Listen to the speech he gives on mother base at the end of the game, that 100% sets up what he does later on in the story
>>331366583
If you ask me, Colonel Volgin and Skull Face should've been merged into one character, called Colonel Volgin.
>>331368516
>David Hayter has been portraying Snake / Boss since 1997.
>Implying he has absolutely no idea what the character should talk like besides what the director tells him.
>>331368672
If the director asks for MGS4 esque growling instead of something more like MGS3, then yeah
Hayter sounds like a anime dub voice actor. He's a good one and has an iconic voice, but it's a voice that sounds like it should come out of a cartoon character. It works in the old mgs games because all the voice acting is like that. But in MGSV the voice acting is all top notch. That along side the more realistic graphics and art style he would sound way out of place.
>>331368671
I just think Skull Face should have looked more like a Skull Face, and less like a California Raisin's scrotum.
https://youtu.be/retK1rz-zcM
At least we still have 4 to end the story. At least we get some closure.
>>331368892
I kind of get what you're saying but
>Ocelot's inconsistent accent
>Skullface's ham
>>331368892
>>331368892
>>331368892
This. Hayter's voice reminds me of Vegeta in that sense.
>>331368597
>His voice is shot
Bullshit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVVHYGlh5DI
Sometimes I get hammered and watch the trailers and think about what could have been
>>331367971
>>331367372
>>331366583
Peace walker doesn't really need to exist and neither does the phantom pain. MGS 3 perfectly illustrates why BB becomes the villain. He is given the highest honour but he has to kill his mentor for his country and this makes BB hate his country and the world. He then pursues trying to create a world which the boss would have wanted. PW and TPP are not necessary although I liked the twist because I feel like that is a homage and a giant fuck you to the player from Kojima because he didn't want to make anymore metal gear games.
>tfw no John Cygan as Big Boss
>tfw no Tom Waits as Old Snake
>tfw no Crispin Freeman as Young Ocelot
>tfw we got Quiet instead of a wide-eyed, frightened teenage Sniper Wolf
>>331368892
The new voice actor was fine but sadly he didn't get any lines
>>331366583
>best game play
>most ways to approach missions in the series
>most toys+guns the series has ever had
>no idea what Kojima was going for story wise
>>331366583
After going through an intense bout of phantom pain and rage I realized the story is actually cool as fuck and the twist makes venom an even more badass character when re smiles and chooses to assume the role of the phantom in its entirety and become the demon. Big Boss/zero/ocelot used venom in a ruse to establish the Boss's true vision not of outer heaven but zanzibar land in MG2 with outer heaven acting as an opportunity for big boss to fake his death then create zanzibar land in secrecy. The game could be so much better and more jammed with interesting content I know this as much as anyone else but after playing for a huge amount of time and digesting the game as a whole I found the story satisfying and gameplay exceptional
>>331366583
>I will never not be upset
That just proves how great the game was. It really made you feel the Phantom Pain.
Based Kojima does it again folks.
>>331369176
Yeah but it gets a bit boring after a while. The open world isn't dynamic it is just fucking empty.
>Kaz after being rescued
>"we'll take cipher to hell"
>chapter 2
>"be careful Snake, we don't want to start an open war with Cipher"
>>331366718
>>331366786
>>331368213
so much wasted potential
you broke my heart kojima
>>331368892
except kojima barely even utilized kiefer sutherland's voice at all
he specifically picked him because he wanted a more professional voice actor, then barely even uses him at all and cuts a bunch of his lines because he wanted Big Boss to be more like Mad Max
it's almost as if kojima just likes watching money burn, he also wasted everything involving the Battle Gear
>>331369078
Basically this. Everything you need to know about BB is in Snake Eater, but even PW goes one step further and brings him to basically being in the position he is in the first Metal Gear other than the fact that he's in the ocean and not in Africa. Phantom Pain just fell flat because of the advertising and further the fact that it was definitely the last Metal Gear, for real this time, because of Kojima getting fired, so everyone was looking for a dark tale about Big Boss's fall, which it never was going to be.
>youre not really Big Boss just a random dude
>hes doing the actually important shit you thought you were doing
>and your waifu isnt coming back, enjoy listening to D-Doge panting
>dId jew rike it?
>>331369361
yeah, true. I mean, I forgot about the speech >>331368251 posted, which makes the plot of V a little more bearable.
>>331369050
jesus christ he just played Snake in that role
>>331369167
This, Kiefer was actually good, and I couldn't imagine Hayter selling moments like "scatter your sorrow to the heartless sea" the way Kiefer did.
But I also couldn't imagine Kiefer as MGS3 Snake, or Solid Snake. Would be neat to see him do some of the speeches from Peace Walker.
>1984
>Kazuhira "Chimp Chokeout Champion" Miller is leading the diamond dogs in a mercenary fuckoff in Africa.
>He fucks some hot doctor doing medical aid.
>She gives birth and cucks her husband into raising the kid.
>She names himJack
>>331369586
>jesus christ he just played Snake in that role
Point being that at 40 seconds in, he's basically playing a younger snake (not the messy pirate growl of Peace Walker)
>>331369751
he literally said "I'm not any body's weapon anymore"
Like, that's snake.
>>331369443
There's a difference between getting at Cipher and starting an open war. An open war with Cipher would be suicide.
>>331369443
>Kaz becomes Cipher's bitch in MG2 to get back at Big Boss
>>331369491
>definitely the last Metal Gear
it's not though. TPP was next gen PW though criminally un-realized in regards of full potential. It definitely didn't fall flat though and more people will realize how great of a game it actually was in time. A lot of people can't see the forest for the trees and they fixate on a few things, blow them out of proportion and lose sight of how the game succeeds.
>>331369921
I agree that it was great, was explaining why I think Metal Gear fans reacted negatively to it.
And it's the last Kojima Metal Gear, which, for the people I'm talking about, is basically the same thing as the last one.
>>331369921
Well Konami is finished making video games, and there's no way in hell they would sell the IP to Kojima.
So unless you want to play MGS6: The Phantom Pachinko Machine, then yes that is the final Metal Gear
>>331368892
That's debatable considering Ocelot could never decide what accent he wanted.
However, Sutherland actually could give Snake noticeable emotion in his voice and this was even in Ground Zeroes when Kaz asks him if Paz is in the cell with Chico and he says "I'm pretty sure." and you can tell he thinks it's a stupid question by the tone of his voice. Also, a lot of his speeches would never sound right coming out of Hayter's voice.
ALSO, RAD did a top fucking notch job. Those moments when Kaz got to his buttbothered levels were chilling.
BOSS GET DOWNthe enemy sniper
>>331368516
>>331368597
>>331368597
>>331368672
They told him to go old snake, which itself was a shitty strained voice because old snake was supposed to be diseased and dying. If they had him do MGS3, it would have been alright
>>331370154
>THIS IS THE ENEMY, AND HES HERE ON HIS KNEES!
>>331366718
>>331366786
>>331368213
>All these characters in Africa
>Make a location in V a part of Africa
>Literally none of these characters appear
What the FUCK were they thinking?
>>331370380
>>331370380
>What the FUCK were they thinking?
They were thinking about all that sweet DLC $$$$ before Kojima went full diva and ragequit.
>>331370753
>fanboys are STILL blaming Konami when they gave Kojima $80 mill and 5 years of dev time
What a faggot you are.
>>331369342
I dunno of Kojima did it on purpose, but MGS5 is in essence the Phantom Pain. We will always crave more.
>>331370928
That's literally the opposite of what I said.
>>331366583
This is a better metal gear solid game, and it doesn't even have a boss fight
>>331370928
That was barely enough time to get the engine finished and to make what we got, clearly something went wrong with the development of this game
>>331370349
fucking love that line
even the lead up to it you can can hear little breaks in his voice and his breathing, the frustration starting to boil over
>>331370134
>So unless you want to play MGS6: The Phantom Pachinko Machine, then yes that is the final Metal Gear
I am laughing so hard right now. 10/10
>>331370050
>And it's the last Kojima Metal Gear, which, for the people I'm talking about, is basically the same thing as the last one.
oh, yea. I actually have high hopes for the series. I think some really cool things might be released that have a lot of people who know what the players want actually implementing what they wanted due to fresh team, the story already being 85-90% complete, less scrutiny over the new games in terms of deadlines etc because kojima is gone so they need to actually bring more to the games to get people as excited. Like I think we could easily see remakes of a couple titles in fox engine because why not, easy money, already have proven templates that are assured to sell. I think there will be a lot of player service meaning all the shit that is inexplicably absent from say tpp will be in future titles because the backlash was so intense.
As for tpp it was exactly what I wanted in a lot of ways. I was playing the games since the original metal gear and tpp for me was like a day dream I would have when I would be playing the older games thinking about how cool it would be to be an outer heaven soldier. TPP is an amazing military game and I think it filled a niche in the mg universe that a lot of players wanted, the straight up combat/warfare one. TPP and PW were the first games to have open skirmishing as a big part and going loud isn't punished as much in the older games because you are not caged in, it's "open infiltration" in kojima's words where you are encouraged to use guerrilla warfare to fight while remaining elusive.
Could have so much more and many of the changes that would make the game a lot better aren't even big changes or additions but as it stands I really like tpp, one of my favorite games ever and it keeps rising on my list of mg games.
>>331366583
I agree with all of these except:
>You never see the character evolution that led BB to turn into the antagonist of MG1 and 2
MGS3 already did this, which not coincidentally is why PW and MGSV have horrible stories. Both can't evolve Big Boss's character without rehashing what was already done in MGS3 so their stories end up being extremely uninteresting.
>>331370134
>So unless you want to play MGS6: The Phantom Pachinko Machine, then yes that is the final Metal Gear
No, everyone parrots that pachinko shit but they said they're still making aaa video games and metal gear has more major console titles in store.
>>331370380
>Africa is the size of a city
>>331370928
I'll blame Konami, because if a publisher can fund a game that's budget is $80million, chances are, they are able to make it back if they know what they're doing. MGSV could possibly make it back.
Also, Shenmue was 70million and the games came out over 15 years ago. Yu Suzuki wasn't fired and he even made the money back with VF3 and VF4 Arcade Revenue.
>>331371523
My favorite kaz line is when he first gets back to MB after being rescued and he's seething with rage, so fucking good.
>>331371685
Is that a helmet? What the heck?
>>331371685
We dont need Kojima.
Everybody just wants Metal Gear Rising 2
>MGS5 releases
>20 threads on the front page circlejerking
>one month later
>"omg worst game ever fuck you kojima"
Every time. You guys are so predictable.
>>331371916
I still really like how pissed off he got when Ocelot suggests he get prosthetics.
>>331370928
Kojima did go full retard with a few things, namely cutting the Battle Gear even though dev time and resources went into it and deciding to just suddenly cut a bunch of Kiefer's lines, but there were some signs suggesting that Konami was interfering with Kojima a ton during the process too
>>331372034
Everyone stayed off of /v/ for that month to avoid spoilers, turns out there was no story to spoil
>>331366583
>>You never see the character evolution that led BB to turn into the antagonist of MG1 and 2
>antagonist of MG1
MG1 DIDN'T HAVE BIG FUCKING BOSS IN IT FOR THE LAST FUCKING TIME.
We ALWAYS knew that wasn't the real BB. Jesus fucking Christ.. I'm so tired of people who clearly never played the original games complaining about things not carrying over from them.. when if you knew what the fuck you were talking about you'd know why.
>>331372034
>one month later
More like a week later. You know, after everyone got done with the first 20 hours and realised that the game was the same shit with a shitty story.
>>331372034
The flood of threads after its release were just fanboys fed by the hype machine. That isn't exclusive to /v/
Now that people have actually had time to play and think about it yes, it's shit.
>>331372174
This is bait
>people said they would commit suicide after this game came out because they thought it would be the best game ever made
>>331372174
Thanks for clearing that up I thought I was confused for a minute
>>331371783
They shouldn't put an MGS game in Africa and not show any characters who have origin stories in Africa.
>>331372321
I have a new reason to live, waiting for Xcom 2 mods and expansion packs
>>331370380
Rush this shit out so we can move onto pachinko machines.
The game as it stands is only like 70% complete.
>>331370928
Yeah, because Konami kept meddling and micromanaging and fucking with Kojima and fucking with development, do it went south.
>>331371931
supply drop fatigues while wearing gear that includes helmet
>tfw I beat the game at 6:00 AM this morning after an all nighter.
>Wake up and its still the only thing I can think about.
What is this feeling, /v/?
>>331373480
disappointment
>>331366583
MGSV is my favorite open world game by a long shot, and probably always will be. That being said, my disappointment in the story was practically palpable after I finished. I mean, I guess it's kind of cool to know what Ocelot and Kaz were up to in the 80s, and what happened to MSF, but god damnit I wanted to know what Big Boss was doing. How did he found Outer Heaven? How did he become evil? THAT'S what we wanted, and we didn't get any of it- and considering what's happened with Kojima and Konami in the last year we never fucking will. Instead we got a spinoff which goes on its own tangent and does nothing to actually 'wrap up' the series (which wouldn't be too bad if this series had any future)
>>331373480
Obsession. It's a good game.
>>331369305
>I realized the story is actually cool as fuck
What story?
I swear to god, I ask question this to everyone that tries to put forth the stance that MGSV had a good or even passable, and nobody's been able to really put together any semblance of an answer beyond a quick two or three sentence summary, and said summary literally covers the entire plot because fucking NOTHING of note happens, and even then, they can't even punctuate it with a closure to the supposed story because the game itself sure as fuck didn't even bother.
You have a couple barely connected events and a plot twist that goes nowhere and barely even fits into the lore of not only Metal Gear, but it's even MGSV's isolated mishmash of seemingly random plot threads. It doesn't even make sense in the -very missing where it is revealed-, unless Big Boss can regrow an eye like fucking Wolverine and proceed to gouge it out when he wants to play pirate again, to say nothing of the instabeard.
Actually, you could say that for the entire game's plot; completely disposable. Pretty much every story beat and plot point is disposable because aside from the PARASITES, nothing really leads anywhere, and even PARASITES kind of fizzles away after Shining Lights. Quiet, the character with about 30% of the game's cutscenes devoted to her, is entirely tertiary and you can even kill her during your first meeting with no consequence to the "story." Visions of Skullface? Goes nowhere and means nothing. Paz's survival? Oh, it's just a hallucination that apparently every named character on Mother Base shares. Shotaquid stealing the Sallypuss and wordgerms? Cut content.
Even the Shining Lights cutscene, which I have seen multiple people say is so powerful and well done that Hayter could not have possibly matched Sutherland's moderately above-average delivery, goes nowhere. Venom metaphorically "becomes a demon" and goes on to running his mercenary tycoon with no change in attitude or disposition whatsoever.
>>331373480
Loss. Something has been taken from you.
>>331367198
>It was a rushed game (or to be more accurate, Kojima lost control of the budget, Konami axed him and he had to ship whatever he could)
Not rushed, over time and over budget.
But if they had all the time and money they needed, we would've gotten an ACT 3, less filler missions, more features and polish, but the story would be just as bad.
>fucking Konami! How could anyone defend them after what they did to Based Kojima-san?
>fucking Kojimafags defending their lord and master! Konami was right all along!
I don't understand why it has to boil down to this.
Here's the facts: Kojima's overrated, Konami's dogshit, and Metal Gear deserves better than them.While I'm at it, fuck Platinum too
>>331373917
>MGSV is my favorite open world game by a long shot, and probably always will be.
I guess you never played RDR
I don't know why people are adamantly blaming Konami. It was clear even from what we had that kojima didn't have a fucking iota what he was doing and hasn't since MGS3, just following whatever whims take his fancy.
>>331367372
>We got that in Peace Walker.
>Takes off bandana
>GRRR THE BOSS GRRR
>CALL ME BIG BOSS
Yeah, fucking no
>>331374715
>we would've gotten an ACT 3
>less filler missions
>but the story would be just as bad.
The reason the story is shit is probably mostly because they didn't have time to finish it.
>>331367885
>I spent around two hours today rewriting the game in my head.
It wrote itself didn't it?
Played us like a fiddle. That was ours.
MSF burning into the sea was literally fandom
>>331374715
Act 3 would've just been the last mission, which would've made the game better but it would still be shit overall because nothing of consequence happens during that mission
>>331374781
No, I did. It was fantastic, and certainly more coherent as far as story goes, but I didn't enjoy it quite as much.
>>331374915
>The reason the story is shit is probably mostly because they didn't have time to finish it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%BCbler-Ross_model
How the hell are you still in denial?
>>331375013
>Act 3 would've just been the last mission,
Source?
>>331368326
This really. It's not just the story that takes a dive in the second half, but gameplay as well. While it was crystal clear that Phantom Pain was going to be the biggest and most feature-dense game they've ever done, nobody was prepared to actually see the project completely through. Kojima's radical vision bought us a game of a caliber no other producer would have or could have gone with the franchise, and for that first half of the game it was bliss. If there was a way to mod the game to start at Ground Zeroes and end with a shortened Act 2 I would be content.
Reminder that Huey is the best MG villain ever
>>331374206
>What story?
"you are a body double of big boss, do your job and become the demon". That makes the game cool as fuck in my eyes, add in all the other character narratives no matter how short, small or meager and you have a story. It's unrealized and causes blue balls but I've accepted its faults and it's merits and the story is minimalist framework that has some very interesting and cool things draped over it. It's not an exhaustive or dense plot tjat the games are known for but when you accept it for what it is, or when I accept it for what it is I should say, I think it's a great launchpad of a world and general story for you to realize your role what is sort of a prequel to the story that people thought the game would cover.
>>331366583
>i'm going to take my copypasta to make the daily MGSV hate thread
https://boards.fireden.net/v/search/text/%3EVenom%27s%20existence/
>>331375483
I can't believe that amount of dislike I ended up having for him holy shit
>>331369665
>This, Kiefer was actually good, and I couldn't imagine Hayter selling moments like "scatter your sorrow to the heartless sea" the way Kiefer did.
If it's the normal snake voice and not throat gravel its fine
Go listen to the mushy inspirational shit at the end of MGS2
>>331373917
he never really became evil, he was always trying to follow the bosses original vision. Venom was used to ruse the world and in MG1 he swapped places with big boss presumably to fake his own death so he could establish Zanzibar in secrecy.
>>331372223
No, after everyone started telling everyone what the story was about.
I had a blast playing it and I had to complete it 3 times to get bored of the after-release rush.
I'm at 450 hours now.
>>331366583
>In his final moments Skullface narrates to absolutely no one about how his existence will be conveniently scrubbed from history and he'll never be mentioned again
Probably the single most ham-fisted explanation for a prequel character not appearing in later works that I've ever seen.
Having Skullface literally turn to camera and declare "I'm never mentioned in the other games" would have been less awkward.
>>331375628
>>331368251
You think that's the same as "I like to invade countries, kill all the adults and make child soldiers out of their children" Big Boss from MG2?
>/v/ unironically was naive enough to get hyped for a post-2010 Triple A game
>/v/ then spent 8 months whining about it
>>331375654
big boss faked his own death i meant
>>331375526
>BECOME A DEMON AND GO NUCLEAR
You spend the entire game saving child soldiers and stopping terrorists from committing cultural genocide. There's nothing very "demonic" about a single thing you did.
>b....but you kill your own men!!!!
They were infected and would have spread the disease to the world. Not much of a moral dilemma
>>331375635
Hayter did fine in those but Snake still sounded like a comically fake character, and none of the dialogue in 2 was as serious as Shining Lights
Hell, Kief screaming no during the end of the Laz hallucination sounded realer than any bit of VA Hayter has ever done
>>331375905
No, but by 1974 he was already addicted to war.
20 years more of that and it's normal that he ended up that way.
>>331371994
Yes please.
Maybe with a different protagonist. Could be stupid, but what about a cyborg ninja Venom Snake? His body was put on ice by the Patriots after his death and some time after 2018, a Cipher wannabe group steals it and makes him a cyborg ninja so Big Boss can be reborn?
I don't know. I've just had enough of Raiden for a lifetime.
>>331369443
>>331369823
Cipher is the dumbest shit
The patriots had the problem of being a villian you never fight but characters are always talking about. Their mystique was totally unraveled in MGS4, there is nothing interesting to do with them anymore.
So what do they do in PW and V? Bring them in as cypher, talk about them, and you never actually fight them. They don't even "do" anything in the plot like the patriots, it's all skullface.
>>331366583
Last part of MGS3, Peace Walker and MGSV all show the character evolution that led to Big Boss turning into an antagonist.
MGSV Big Boss proves himself an asshole hypocrite, Venom Snake's mere existence is evidence of BB being a "villain".
>>331375526
>It's a great story if you ignore all the shit parts and pretend there's a good story
To each his own, I guess. Mental gymnastics can do wonders for some people.
>>331375939
I just prefer to think it's Kojimadrones.
It's hilarious to see them
>b-b-but MGS is perfect how did this happen ;___;
So fucking good.
>>331375846
Butthole clenching scene
>>331375526
>cool as fuck
Why do I get the urges to punch everyone who uses this?
>>331375965
Venom pretty much spends the entire game thinking he's a terrible person and blames himself for everything but in reality he's pretty much the most morally good person in the entire prequel saga who is continuously fucked over by a variety of people, Huey in particular, while Big Boss jerks himself off in hiding so he can create his autistic dream of endless war
>/v/ finally gets hyped for some Triple A
>worst game of the year
Feels good.
>>331368251
the greatest thing about this speech is that big boss's ideology was completely incorrect
>>331375965
At the end of the truth mission it's implied things begin to go downhill with the logo changing to the outer heaven one, you punching the mirror and smiling while gunfire is either heard in your mind or the background and you're covered in blood. Also the world already hated big boss by that point and venom had to assume that persona.
>>331375526
>"you are a body double of big boss, do your job and become the demon". That makes the game cool as fuck in my eyes, add in all the other character narratives no matter how short, small or meager and you have a story. It's unrealized and causes blue balls but I've accepted its faults and it's merits and the story is minimalist framework that has some very interesting and cool things draped over it. It's not an exhaustive or dense plot tjat the games are known for but when you accept it for what it is, or when I accept it for what it is I should say, I think it's a great launchpad of a world and general story for you to realize your role what is sort of a prequel to the story that people thought the game would cover.
Except you never become a demon (other than through hamfisted imagery that doesn't make much sense), so everything you just mentioned is completely pointless and meaningless
>>331376105
I'd like to see the game semi-open ended. You can pick what order you fight the bosses in, like a Megaman deal.
Just have a bunch of standalone levels with cuhrazzzyyy cyborg bosses.
>fire / welder cyborg who can melt steel beams with his bare hands
>water cyborg that shapeshifts like t-1000
>some nigga that transforms into a plane and flies around
>>331370154
>That's debatable considering Ocelot could never decide what accent he wanted.
>ALSO, RAD did a top fucking notch job. Those moments when Kaz got to his buttbothered levels were chilling.
Does anyone else notice how ocelot acts chill like miller and miller acts crazed like ocelot?
It's not just personality, ocelot is a mentor and gives you flora and fauna advice like miller. And miller is ambitious and all about fucking shit over like ocelot.
Some of the worst character consistency I've ever seen. Made miller the best character in the game though.
>>331375965
I think the point was that Venom doesn't become a bad guy, but he sees himself as a bad one.
The whole Paz thing in the game is basically him blaming himself for her death, he blames himself for the death of the guys in the Quarantine Platform.
>>331376107
Cipher and the Patriots aren't exactly active characters as we understand. They play the role of setting all the characters in place for the story to happen, most literally in MGS2.
>>331375846
>Physically cringe when I first saw this, felt bad for Huey
>Rewatch it now, all I want is for Kaz to keep going
Fuck that cuck, holy shit
>>331376503
Finally, someone gets it.
>>331371716
>Both can't evolve Big Boss's character without rehashing what was already done in MGS3
In MGS3 we saw big boss get broken, but we never saw him become the villian
>>331376503
There's also the part where he accidentally shoots Eli in Kingdom of the Flies, and when he leaves him there to his death, and then he sees himself covered in blood and with the huge horn in the heli mirror's reflection.
>>331376127
There's no mental gymnastics in accepting it for what it is and saying at least the glass is half full. I can enjoy it for what it is, I waited for it so why bitch and moan about it when i finally get it you know?
>we will never get to play as the boss
>>331376843
That would be dumb. You gotta maintain a level of mystique with some characters.
>>331376843
What, so you end up fighting some kind of Nazi metal gear which, for some reason, is more advanced than Sahelanthropus?
Or for the reflex mode vaginal contractions during Ocelots birth?
>>331370154
Miller was the true hero of MGS5 like how Otacon was in MGS4.
He just wanted his coolass army, now he obsesses about fucking burgers as a hobby
>>331375821
You know, skull face is consistent with a mary sue villian
Bends the rules of the narrative, and the author has to bullshit how he's even possible
>>331372385
That's a stupid ass statement. Africa is the second biggest continent in the world. Not everything has to be super connected (this was the reason why MGS4's story was shit). MGSV took place in the Congo, Raiden was in Liberia, Gray Fox was in Mozambique. None of these countries are contiguous and Liberia isn't even anywhere close to Liberia. That's like saying that GZ should have had Baker or any American character because it took place in North America.
>>331377034
what the hell is the point of this picture
>>331375762
You're an outlier. Most people stopped liking it after doing a fulton mission for the umpteenth time.
>>331377050
Miller was the best character but he still caused the fucking war economy
>>331372034
It's fun for the first 20 hours or so, when you're just fucking around with the stealth, enjoying the graphics (Afghanistan has the best looking rocks I've ever seen in a game), and still think the story has potential. Not to mention, people were just happy to have the game in their hands after years of hype. When the newness wears off, and the formula starts to get repetitive, your impression instantly sours. The same thing happened with Destiny.
>>331377239
Don't speak in my name, senpai.
>>331369153
>>tfw no Tom Waits as Old Snake
I never knew I could want something so badly
>>331377160
To make a comparison
>>331372156
this was the biggest disappointment for me.
filtering everything MGS-related to make sure i got the blind experience, only to realize there was nothing to see.
>>331369176
4 had tighter controls, better levels and better stealth mechanics for the first two chapters
>>331377050
loved that scene at the end when he says how he'll stay with the phantom and make him stronger.
>>331376843
Fuck that
Only thing that would be worth a damn is solidus or liquid
>>331377356
which is?
>>331377240
Didn't the secret tapes say that the War economy was an inevitable outcome of the Cold War?
aka Kojima trying to legitimatize MGS4's horseshit
>>331377439
MGS4's gameplay was functional, there was absolutely nothing about it that standed out, it was just MGS3 with a non-clunky shooting system.
>>331377121
>Liberia isn't even anywhere close to Liberia.
anon honey i agree with your post but please you're being crazy
>>331373917
All the necessary information is doled out in other games. As much as people don't like it, MGS4 is basically a giant info dump on what happened between MGS3 and MG1.
If anyone else did what the real Big Boss did in V they'd be considered an antagonist.
It's only legend bias that makes anyone think otherwise. Which I think is part of the subject of the plot, legend bias.
Fucking shit execution though.
>>331377439
I want to replay 4 so bad, but I don't have a gaystation. I noticed all the regressions from 4 to V.
>>331377628
This.
If you see things from his point of view, it doesn't seem bad, but that's the point of MGS, there are no true evil guys, just people using differet kinds of methods to achieve something they think is good.
i'm super fucking pissed about ocelot.
he did EVERYTHING in mgs1-4 out of love for big boss, and then in 5 he's being all frigid about it.
he used to be the best character but in this game i'm in love with kaz
>>331377121
>GZ
>North America
>>331377715
Why?
It's still one of the worst MGS and a legitimately boring game.
Outside of the Metal Gear and Liquid vs Snake fight, it's a gigantic chore.
>>331376483
Miller was great, Ocelot's soul got removed at some point.
They should have brought back Pat Zimmerman and have him just go way over the top, chewing up scenery like an Holocaust victim at an all you can eat buffet, just like he usually does.
>>331376843
>there will never be an MGS V style MGS set before the events of snake eater where you play as the boss and can use the cobra unit as buddies
>>331377614
>is basically a giant info dump on what happened between MGS3 and MG1.
No, it's basically a giant info dump on what SHOULDNT HAPPEN between MGS3 and MG1
>>331371451
>muh engine
Stop this meme. You'd be amazed at the amount of developers that use in house engines and manage to put out larger scale games over a much smaller development period and with a fraction of the budget
>>331377247
Gameplay is fun for a lot more than 20 hours
>>331377751
Ocelot knows Venom isn't BB
It's why he gets all gay with the real BB in the truth ending while the rest of the game consists of Kaz being all gay with Venom
>>331374745
i like your style anon
>>331377892
They didn't build the fox engine from scratch like kojima's team though, that had to be where most of the time was spent, otherwise it doesn't take 5 years to put out the small amount of content they put out.
>>331377493
Well you don't seem to know about Greek philosophers and I'm not spoonfeeding you
>>331377838
Oh don't get me wrong. I'd love to skip 60% of the game. But I borrowed the game on my playthrough and I didn't get my fill of fucking around
>>331376679
Yeah. All MGS3 had done was take Big Boss's innocence. Made him disillusioned, but it was a far cry away from seeing him become the villain.
The game would be better if they had followed the GTA V structure for the story missions, and of course, if it was finished.
Basically making the missions much more linear, and leave the complete freedom for the more ''wetwork'' missions like A Hero's Way.
>>331376772
>I waited for it so why bitch and moan about it when i finally get it you know?
A little something called "standards." Not everyone can be handed a glass half full of watery shit and see the bright side in it.
If a game builds up the hype that it's going to be the most emotionally intense video game story of the decade, breaking taboos with no regard for the consequences and showing a beloved character go down a dark path everyone knew was coming with almost palpable anticipation, and then proceeds to give us a half-finished oil platform simulator where you can judo throw your employees while occasionally going out and attaching balloons to EVERYTHING, you can be damn sure people are going to be incredibly disappointed.
>But that's the genius! Kojima defied your expectations
Yeah, I never thought in a million years that MGSV would turn out to be such a letdown.
What if kojima will continue the mgs series if we big him enough. Like how mgs3 was supposed to be the last one but then we asked for 4 and then 4 was gonna be last but then we asked for 5.
>>331378005
alright then so you don't know either, gotcha
>>331377121
Except if all of those places have conflicts, that's reason for them to hire out some guys to do wetwork.
Diamond Dogs is a business, those various PFs could have hired them out for all sorts of purposes. They'd just go where the money and conflicts are. Really Diamond Dogs would have been doing ops in a shit ton more places than just Afghanistan and central Africa.
>>331377628
But he is an antagonist for most of the series.
>>331376335
It's just not fair
>>331378149
The game isn't watery shit though
>no it's chunky shit!
I get it, you hate the game and if anyone likes it they're retarded and have shit taste
>>But that's the genius! Kojima defied your expectations
I never said that, you're having imaginary exchanges with people in your head, you're more like Venom than you realize
>>331377912
i'd argue that ocelot was the only one who knew that venom was BB.
i think the concept of doublethink only works if it works, and if ocelot knew venom was a fake rather than "Also BB", then it's not doublethink.
i see your point but i don't agree with it.
>>331377628
>Which I think is part of the subject of the plot, legend bias.
I don't think that was the actual intention.
>>331377530
The level of control you had over snake didn't stand out?
The gadgets didn't stand out?
The way you were put in the middle of two warring factions and got to influence the tide of battle to suit you didn't stand out?
>>331378713
No, it was nothing special.
>>331378165
Well now you're just being a little shit so I'll explain just to spite you.
Socrates passed his teachings to Plato who passed his teachings to Aristotle just as The Boss passed her teachings to Big Boss who passed his teachings to Solid Snake. Socrates had to be killed innocently for the sake of his cause just like The Boss and it heavily affected Plato like it did Big Boss. Diogenes is Ocelot because Diogenes was described by Plato as "Socrates gone mad". It's a relation because Ocelot is the son of The Boss (who is like Socrates) and Ocelot is a pretty crazy guy.
>>331377994
Yes they do, holy fuck you're dumb.
just because several high profile devs use Unreal doesn't mean that's the standard. Almost every first party company has their own proprietary engine that they've built from the ground up. Hell, fucking Koei Tecmo have three
>>331378104
>>331376679
We see him resent the US/the West for setting up and forcing him to kill his mentor simply so that they can get the Philosopher's legacy. He wasn't just broken, he was incensed. 30 years of that chip on his shoulder and he made Outer Heaven. There was no reason for PW and TPP's stories. Hence why PW just retreads MGS3 and TPP has to make a new character altogether, because there was nothing to tell. Big Boss was already betrayed and already resented the West by the end of MGS3. Big Boss already said fuck you to nations at the end of MGS3.
>>331378525
Yea, but the game took place in 2 areas. And unless you want Big Boss to go hoping from Mozambique to Liberia back to Congo to Mozambique again, it would have been stupid other than to fulfill fanboys wet dreams of seeing old characters as children. And seeing how poorly Liquid and Octopus were handled, I don't get why anyone would want this. Hell, part of the reason MGS4 was shit was because it was just one massive game of wish fulfilment.
>>331378913
no that doesn't sound right
>>331378913
Okay, but what's the point of the picture other than to show off your high school English level of philosophy?
>>331371783
>Diamond Dogs is a PMC with air transport
>can only do jobs in a very specific part of the African continent
>>331377439
It also managed to have better bosses and better versions of the same characters.
>>331378961
And how many are on par with the fox engine? In either case it doesn't take a team that seasoned 5 years to put out a game like this, all MGSV is, is a prettier peacewalker with less story
>>331374745
That's just the way things are anon. I guess you could say it's just therules of nature.
>mfw it's my second favorite Metal Gear, behind only MGS1, maybe even being tied with it
>>331379108
ebin
>tfw you remember threads filled with hundreds of people saying shit like
PEOPLE COULD -DIE- BEFORE THIS GAME COMES OUT? CAN YOU IMAGINE? I'LL NEVER LEAVE MY FUCKING HOUSE AGAIN WHEN THIS GAME COMES OUT, GOD THIS IS GONNA BE KOJIMAS MASTERPIECE
>>331375526
>>331374206 here
>"you are a body double of big boss, do your job and become the demon"
That's not a story, that's a twist, and it's not even what happens.
You didn't like the story, you liked an imaginary concept of a hypothetical story.
>>331379128
It's just an amusing picture for people who will get it. You're making such a damn hoopla about it.
>>331376105
Nah nigga, it has to be LIQUID.
I mean, what happened to his arm after Ocelot replaced it with a cyborg arm?
>>331379279
Fox Engine would have been impressive years ago when it was first announced, but it's genuinely outdated right now. People jerk it off since Konami are the only company to release videos jerking off to propitiatory engines.
Look at something like Assassins Creed if you want to see a genuinely impressive game engine.
>MUH QUIET
What a waste
>>331379362
>an imaginary concept of a hypothetical story.
That is EXACTLY what MGSV is.
>>331379412
That wasn't me, I actually know what you meant with it. It's not amusing in the slightest, you just made it to show everyone what a refined intellectual you are.
>>331379313
pretty sure i killed the boss because she tried to kill me :^)
>>331379054
How the hell do you talk so much and say nothing?
>Big boss was ass blasted, nothing more to see here
How about retribution? How about becoming a savage that destabilizes regions just to recruit soldiers, even children? How about striking back?
Instead we play as some medic and balloon shit out of durkadurka stan and do nothing wrong.
>>331379181
>I want to create more maps just to have a fanboy orgasm over seeing my favorite character get butchered by Neo-Kojima.
Kojima saved you from further disappointment.
>>331379362
>it's not even what happens
yea it is
>>331379660
If that's what helps you sleep at night
>>331366583
Nothing but painful feels towards this game. The game play was GREAT but I can't enjoy it.
because im nuclear
I remember when people were like this for GTA IV, people were like "HOLY SHIT ALL THOSE BUILDINGS YOU CAN GO IN AND A ROLLERCOASTER I BET YOU CAN RIDE IT AND SHIT! THIS IS GOING TO BE THE GREATEST GAME OF ALL TIME, LIFE CHANGING!"
Then it turned out the tons of buildings it looked like you could go in you couldn't actually go in, which should be obvious considering technology.
The rollercoaster wasn't even ride-able and as it turned out in V is lame anyway.
Same shit for GTA V too, lived up to neither the hype or the doom and gloom.
The goal of The Phantom Pain was actually to beat western developers at their own game.
Western devs have been obsessed with making open world adventure games in recent years and MGSV just curb stomps all of them. Go and play
>GTA
>Far Cry
>Just Cause
>Mad Max (came out on the same day as TPP kek)
>Watch_Dogs
>Assassin's Creed
>Infamous
>Batman: Arkham
and tell me they don't feel like hollow shit in comparison.Red Dead Redemption still holds up though
>>331377452
I didn't because it made no fucking sense since he trained Solid to kill Venom
>>331380318
They don't feel like hollow shit in comparison
>>331380318
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>>331379776
Retribution wouldn't make sense. That's the point. Have you even played MG1? No one knew BB was the leader of Outer Heaven until the Intrude N313. Big Boss openly going around doing retribution shit and trying to knock some heads before that makes no sense. MGS3 already set up it perfectly: Big Boss is made, but let's it fester for 30 years while plotting his revenge. Then MG1 happens. No need for all the filler bullshit that is PW and TPP. Your argument boils down to we need to see Big Boss go nuclear, but that would never have made sense, because MG1 hinges on the fact that to everyone Big Boss is a mercenary/US war hero, and not some anti-American Rambo going nuclear against the government.
>>331379054
It might of given Big Boss the motivation, but you need more than that.
That'd be like the Star Wars prequels ending with Attack of the Clones abd saying "Yeah, you can fill in the blank for how Anakin turns into Vader, switches sides, works for Sheev, gets the Empire going and all that so we won't show you. "
>>331380453
dd lasted until 1995 which is a long ass time of him working with Venom, a lot could have happened between then and the outer heaven uprising
I honestly appreciate the story as it is MORE than I would have appreciated a Revenge of the Sith-style story. A game filling in all the blanks would have been cool on the surface, but boring after the fact. We would've all been saying, "well, that was kinda bland" because we would have known exactly what would have happened each step of the way. Instead, we got something completely new, with completely new characters and fresh twists on old ones. It turned the series on its head, and it will go down as one of the biggest twists in gaming history.
"Big Boss" didn't teach Solid Snake and form Outer Heaven--- Punished Snake did (it's Punished Snake..."Venom", by itself, is a nickname, hence why it's in quotations whenever they list his name in the credits). Punished Snake is the man who Liquid knew as a child, and grew to hate. Unknowingly, Punished Snake is as important a figure in Metal Gear as Big Boss is.
We got something memorable, instead of a retreading of what we were told 20 years ago. I prefer it this way.
>>331381002
>We would've all been saying, "well, that was kinda bland
That's literally what everyone is saying, right now
And it wasn't even that big of a twist, everyone fucking predicted it the moment the trailers were out
>>331381002
this desu
if it had just been the real Boss going nuclear, /v/ would still be shitposting all day about how they got nothing new out of it
>>331380318
inFAMOUS has a complete, engaging story, variation in sidequests and a more interesting world to explore.
Sorry.
I think TPP is probably the most hollow of those listed.
>empty, lifeless world
>grindy base mechanics for maximum time sink
>rehashed missions in the main missions
>it gets even worse in side ops
>story is a worthless phoned-in pile of shit with similarly-phoned-in voice acting
Although AssCreed 1 was hot dogshit, TPP doesn't make me frothing-at-the-mouth angry like that game does.
So there's that.
>>331380772
What blank would need to be filled out though? The only blank left was time for Big Boss to build up his secret mercenary army. That means that Big Boss wouldn't be able to do anything of note after MGS3. What you would have would be a series of games that are just side stories while Big Boss secretly builds up his mercenary army. Something that would be absolutely pointless just so fans can have a fanboy moment of "THIS IS IT".
>>331380318
except the open world part kind of ruins it.
>>331380772
>star wars prequels comparison
The heat's on now m'niggers
>>331381140
Everyone predicted Big Boss being the protagonist of MGS3, too (remember the pamphlets with the differently-colored letters that spelled Boss?). It was still a cool twist, and one that was memorable.
>>331380769
>Big Boss openly going around doing retribution shit and trying to knock some heads before that makes no sense.
While you're talking about sense, you're not defending V right?
>because MG1 hinges on the fact that to everyone Big Boss is a mercenary/US war hero
What we know and what the people of the metal gear fiction know have always been two different things
No one ever talked about MSF or diamond dogs in the other games, if big boss was doing evil shit they wouldn't know about that either. What happens in vegas stays in vegas
By your logic we couldn't have a game about solidus being a bad guy because he fooled everyone in the presidential election
>>331379413
Nah, work in Psycho Mantis when he was part of the KGB and FBI as a profiler. Especially if you do the KGB, you could give some of that shit a really dark, quasi STALKER sort of feel to him hunting down deranged killers and other super powered individuals for "recruiting"
>>331381002
>mfw reading this post
>>331381002
I agree. I'm liking the story more and more the longer I digest it
I can't decide if the similarities to Peace Walker ("I'm taking your legs back") are a result of 2meta4u, or a desire to remake PW for the consoles.
The coma/brain damage was also too convenient an excuse to retell the important events from the previous BB games.
>>331381002
>I honestly appreciate the story as it is MORE than I would have appreciated a Revenge of the Sith-style story. A game filling in all the blanks would have been cool on the surface, but boring after the fact.
As compared to a version of ROTS where venom anakin does all the bad shit in real anakin's place?
>>331380318
GTA V was way better than MGSV at open world in almost every conceivable way, you would have to be completely delusional to think otherwise. The Witcher 3 was also way better than MGSV at open world
The only justified games on here is Watch Dogs because it had a budget comparable to MGSV but was a worse game overall. Almost all other games are way cheaper so it's retarded to compare them
>>331375821
Isn't that one of the hallmarks of incredibly shitty fanfiction? Introducing a increrdibly dangerous antagonist who is is able to instill fear and dread in everyone and he somehow disappears and no one ever makes a single mention of how he nearly wiped out most of humanity?
>>331381002
The only thing memorable was Shining Lights.
>>331381373
>you're not defending V right?
No, MGSV's story is shit. I just don't think that it's shit due to not having Big Boss go nuclear and have the game show him creating Outer Heaven or whatever people wanted the game to do. Personally, I think that the game should never have been about BB, and could have been about someone else entirely or maybe Kojima should have made ZoE3.
The difference between Solidus and BB, is that Solidus's actions were under the auspices of the Patriots. Big Boss's were not. Big Boss going around doing massively well documented anti-Patriot activity would make no sense since he would then have to rejoin them at a later point to fool them. Thus, you can't have a game with a large event if you're wanting to have it be about Big Boss going nuclear before MG1.
>>331381482
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome
>>331366583
>You never see the character evolution that led BB to turn into the antagonist of MG1 and 2
This is the worst part. All the money and time in the world and we still would have spent the whole game playing as a fake boss and getting no characterization for the real one.
>>331381002
Except MGSV was a bunch of bland shit and everyone saw the twist from a mile away. I'd appreciate the game more if it wasn't just a bunch of dull, repetitive missions completely recycled in the second half with a protagonist that barely even says anything with a handful of threadbare story elements stretched out over a hundred hours of repetitive missions
>>331381482
Same.
>>331379891
No, the story is
>"You are a body double of Big Boss. Go faff about and build shit while he does the exact same thing you are doing, but cooler."
Nowhere, throughout the entire game, does Venom do anything resembling becoming a demon. He was a patsy that wanked around in the ocean building shit and kidnapping people to join his super cool club where they can walk back and forth on concrete platforms on giant metal struts all day and eventually die of word germs.
Again, there. is. NO. story. There's a framework for a story, one that might have been cool if it had an accompanying story, but there is no actual story, merely events.
If you actually listen to the tapes, it turns into a occasionally mildly dark slice of life anime featuring Not!Big Boss and his level-headed comrades.
I liked the Huey subplot. That was cool. It is, however, the only part of the game I actually found mildly interesting.
WHY DID THEY REMOVE THE FUCKING LIMB DAMAGE? WHAT WAS THE FUCKING POINT? HOW COULD A PS2 GAME HAVE IT AND A NEXT GEN GAME NOT HAVE IT? WHAT THE FUCK KOJIMA
