>Venom's existence
>Skullface out of nowhere with his 'I was there all along' bullshit
>Diamond Dogs never heard from again despite being supposedly huge
>You don't fight Cipher at all, just one of their divisions that went rogue
>Volgin back for no fucking reason
>You never see the character evolution that led BB to turn into the antagonist of MG1 and 2
I will never not be upset
What about Sniper fucking Wolf?
>>331366718
or Grey Fox
>>331366583
The game is a mess. I don't even know what Kojima was trying to achieve with it.
Liquid and Mantis as fan service and bringing Volgin back were the stupidest decisions ever.
It was a rushed game (or to be more accurate, Kojima lost control of the budget, Konami axed him and he had to ship whatever he could)
>>331366583
>>You never see the character evolution that led BB to turn into the antagonist of MG1 and 2
We got that in Peace Walker. It's pretty dark at times, but it's hidden well in the midst of Metal Gear wackiness
I liked the gameplay and story
i have never played any metal gears before
The game was intended to be a three part epic. Everything in the game points in that direction. Konami wanted to get off of Kojima's wild ride, and unlike us, Konami could end it when they wanted to. And so they did. They got off the ruse cruise and killed Kojima and his love child.
I spent around two hours today rewriting the game in my head.
It ended up pretty good and it made me smile, but then I remembered it will never become a reality, and got sad again.
>>331366583
>>You never see the character evolution that led BB to turn into the antagonist of MG1 and 2
Yes you do. It's called Peace Walker
>>331366583
This game could've been so good if Konami hadn't aborted it in the womb. God damn yakuza and their pachinko.
Something I noticed is in the ACC, Venom has a red light and white light both shining on his face, meant to symbolize morality obviously. But he never does anything demonic the whole game. The worst possible thing you can do is build a nuke.
>>331367971
Big Boss does nothing evil in Peace Walker
>>331368107
Why does he have to do evil to change his views?
>>331366786
Or Raiden in his Jack the Ripper days?
>>331368107
At the end he is 100% the person portrayed in MG2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMilA34KGXw
MGSV's biggest downfall was its incompleteness. We only got about half of the game. Kojima probably shot too high.
>>331368251
>there are actually people who think Hayter's voice isn't completely shit now
he ruins that speech
>>331366583
Just let it go anon. Stop opening the wound it is over ROVER! Konami said no story DLC plus it is a big empty game and after playing through all essential missions there is no point in going back.
>>331368251
>>331368251
>>331368251
Jesus fucking Christ I am so glad that Hayter got fired. That was terrible.
>>331368351
Listen to Hayter in other shit, he doesn't sound like a growl monster, it's just that Peace Walker had shitty voice direction.
>>331366583
>I will never not be upset
are you baiting people to explain the game to you ?!
>>331368516
nah there have been times when he has done the voice at cons and in interviews and shit. His voice is shot
>>331368251
Badass speech, shame PW is the most boring game in the series.
MGS5 is like a cautionary tale for me now: never get too hype ever again for a video game.
I'm glad its over though, I don't trust Kojima anymore. When nerds get hype about some hope that another chapter will be added as DLC or something I don't even understand why; like wasn't it ruined enough?
>>331368107
who said anything about 'evil'? Listen to the speech he gives on mother base at the end of the game, that 100% sets up what he does later on in the story
>>331366583
If you ask me, Colonel Volgin and Skull Face should've been merged into one character, called Colonel Volgin.
>>331368516
>David Hayter has been portraying Snake / Boss since 1997.
>Implying he has absolutely no idea what the character should talk like besides what the director tells him.
>>331368672
If the director asks for MGS4 esque growling instead of something more like MGS3, then yeah
Hayter sounds like a anime dub voice actor. He's a good one and has an iconic voice, but it's a voice that sounds like it should come out of a cartoon character. It works in the old mgs games because all the voice acting is like that. But in MGSV the voice acting is all top notch. That along side the more realistic graphics and art style he would sound way out of place.
>>331368671
I just think Skull Face should have looked more like a Skull Face, and less like a California Raisin's scrotum.
https://youtu.be/retK1rz-zcM
At least we still have 4 to end the story. At least we get some closure.
>>331368892
I kind of get what you're saying but
>Ocelot's inconsistent accent
>Skullface's ham
>>331368892
>>331368892
>>331368892
This. Hayter's voice reminds me of Vegeta in that sense.
>>331368597
>His voice is shot
Bullshit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVVHYGlh5DI
Sometimes I get hammered and watch the trailers and think about what could have been
>>331367971
>>331367372
>>331366583
Peace walker doesn't really need to exist and neither does the phantom pain. MGS 3 perfectly illustrates why BB becomes the villain. He is given the highest honour but he has to kill his mentor for his country and this makes BB hate his country and the world. He then pursues trying to create a world which the boss would have wanted. PW and TPP are not necessary although I liked the twist because I feel like that is a homage and a giant fuck you to the player from Kojima because he didn't want to make anymore metal gear games.
>tfw no John Cygan as Big Boss
>tfw no Tom Waits as Old Snake
>tfw no Crispin Freeman as Young Ocelot
>tfw we got Quiet instead of a wide-eyed, frightened teenage Sniper Wolf
>>331368892
The new voice actor was fine but sadly he didn't get any lines
>>331366583
>best game play
>most ways to approach missions in the series
>most toys+guns the series has ever had
>no idea what Kojima was going for story wise
>>331366583
After going through an intense bout of phantom pain and rage I realized the story is actually cool as fuck and the twist makes venom an even more badass character when re smiles and chooses to assume the role of the phantom in its entirety and become the demon. Big Boss/zero/ocelot used venom in a ruse to establish the Boss's true vision not of outer heaven but zanzibar land in MG2 with outer heaven acting as an opportunity for big boss to fake his death then create zanzibar land in secrecy. The game could be so much better and more jammed with interesting content I know this as much as anyone else but after playing for a huge amount of time and digesting the game as a whole I found the story satisfying and gameplay exceptional
>>331366583
>I will never not be upset
That just proves how great the game was. It really made you feel the Phantom Pain.
Based Kojima does it again folks.
>>331369176
Yeah but it gets a bit boring after a while. The open world isn't dynamic it is just fucking empty.
>Kaz after being rescued
>"we'll take cipher to hell"
>chapter 2
>"be careful Snake, we don't want to start an open war with Cipher"
>>331366718
>>331366786
>>331368213
so much wasted potential
you broke my heart kojima
>>331368892
except kojima barely even utilized kiefer sutherland's voice at all
he specifically picked him because he wanted a more professional voice actor, then barely even uses him at all and cuts a bunch of his lines because he wanted Big Boss to be more like Mad Max
it's almost as if kojima just likes watching money burn, he also wasted everything involving the Battle Gear
>>331369078
Basically this. Everything you need to know about BB is in Snake Eater, but even PW goes one step further and brings him to basically being in the position he is in the first Metal Gear other than the fact that he's in the ocean and not in Africa. Phantom Pain just fell flat because of the advertising and further the fact that it was definitely the last Metal Gear, for real this time, because of Kojima getting fired, so everyone was looking for a dark tale about Big Boss's fall, which it never was going to be.
>youre not really Big Boss just a random dude
>hes doing the actually important shit you thought you were doing
>and your waifu isnt coming back, enjoy listening to D-Doge panting
>dId jew rike it?
>>331369361
yeah, true. I mean, I forgot about the speech >>331368251 posted, which makes the plot of V a little more bearable.
>>331369050
jesus christ he just played Snake in that role
>>331369167
This, Kiefer was actually good, and I couldn't imagine Hayter selling moments like "scatter your sorrow to the heartless sea" the way Kiefer did.
But I also couldn't imagine Kiefer as MGS3 Snake, or Solid Snake. Would be neat to see him do some of the speeches from Peace Walker.
>1984
>Kazuhira "Chimp Chokeout Champion" Miller is leading the diamond dogs in a mercenary fuckoff in Africa.
>He fucks some hot doctor doing medical aid.
>She gives birth and cucks her husband into raising the kid.
>She names himJack
>>331369586
>jesus christ he just played Snake in that role
Point being that at 40 seconds in, he's basically playing a younger snake (not the messy pirate growl of Peace Walker)
>>331369751
he literally said "I'm not any body's weapon anymore"
Like, that's snake.
>>331369443
There's a difference between getting at Cipher and starting an open war. An open war with Cipher would be suicide.
>>331369443
>Kaz becomes Cipher's bitch in MG2 to get back at Big Boss
>>331369491
>definitely the last Metal Gear
it's not though. TPP was next gen PW though criminally un-realized in regards of full potential. It definitely didn't fall flat though and more people will realize how great of a game it actually was in time. A lot of people can't see the forest for the trees and they fixate on a few things, blow them out of proportion and lose sight of how the game succeeds.
>>331369921
I agree that it was great, was explaining why I think Metal Gear fans reacted negatively to it.
And it's the last Kojima Metal Gear, which, for the people I'm talking about, is basically the same thing as the last one.
>>331369921
Well Konami is finished making video games, and there's no way in hell they would sell the IP to Kojima.
So unless you want to play MGS6: The Phantom Pachinko Machine, then yes that is the final Metal Gear
>>331368892
That's debatable considering Ocelot could never decide what accent he wanted.
However, Sutherland actually could give Snake noticeable emotion in his voice and this was even in Ground Zeroes when Kaz asks him if Paz is in the cell with Chico and he says "I'm pretty sure." and you can tell he thinks it's a stupid question by the tone of his voice. Also, a lot of his speeches would never sound right coming out of Hayter's voice.
ALSO, RAD did a top fucking notch job. Those moments when Kaz got to his buttbothered levels were chilling.
BOSS GET DOWNthe enemy sniper
>>331368516
>>331368597
>>331368597
>>331368672
They told him to go old snake, which itself was a shitty strained voice because old snake was supposed to be diseased and dying. If they had him do MGS3, it would have been alright
>>331370154
>THIS IS THE ENEMY, AND HES HERE ON HIS KNEES!
>>331366718
>>331366786
>>331368213
>All these characters in Africa
>Make a location in V a part of Africa
>Literally none of these characters appear
What the FUCK were they thinking?
>>331370380
>>331370380
>What the FUCK were they thinking?
They were thinking about all that sweet DLC $$$$ before Kojima went full diva and ragequit.
>>331370753
>fanboys are STILL blaming Konami when they gave Kojima $80 mill and 5 years of dev time
What a faggot you are.
>>331369342
I dunno of Kojima did it on purpose, but MGS5 is in essence the Phantom Pain. We will always crave more.
>>331370928
That's literally the opposite of what I said.
>>331366583
This is a better metal gear solid game, and it doesn't even have a boss fight
>>331370928
That was barely enough time to get the engine finished and to make what we got, clearly something went wrong with the development of this game
>>331370349
fucking love that line
even the lead up to it you can can hear little breaks in his voice and his breathing, the frustration starting to boil over
>>331370134
>So unless you want to play MGS6: The Phantom Pachinko Machine, then yes that is the final Metal Gear
I am laughing so hard right now. 10/10
>>331370050
>And it's the last Kojima Metal Gear, which, for the people I'm talking about, is basically the same thing as the last one.
oh, yea. I actually have high hopes for the series. I think some really cool things might be released that have a lot of people who know what the players want actually implementing what they wanted due to fresh team, the story already being 85-90% complete, less scrutiny over the new games in terms of deadlines etc because kojima is gone so they need to actually bring more to the games to get people as excited. Like I think we could easily see remakes of a couple titles in fox engine because why not, easy money, already have proven templates that are assured to sell. I think there will be a lot of player service meaning all the shit that is inexplicably absent from say tpp will be in future titles because the backlash was so intense.
As for tpp it was exactly what I wanted in a lot of ways. I was playing the games since the original metal gear and tpp for me was like a day dream I would have when I would be playing the older games thinking about how cool it would be to be an outer heaven soldier. TPP is an amazing military game and I think it filled a niche in the mg universe that a lot of players wanted, the straight up combat/warfare one. TPP and PW were the first games to have open skirmishing as a big part and going loud isn't punished as much in the older games because you are not caged in, it's "open infiltration" in kojima's words where you are encouraged to use guerrilla warfare to fight while remaining elusive.
Could have so much more and many of the changes that would make the game a lot better aren't even big changes or additions but as it stands I really like tpp, one of my favorite games ever and it keeps rising on my list of mg games.
>>331366583
I agree with all of these except:
>You never see the character evolution that led BB to turn into the antagonist of MG1 and 2
MGS3 already did this, which not coincidentally is why PW and MGSV have horrible stories. Both can't evolve Big Boss's character without rehashing what was already done in MGS3 so their stories end up being extremely uninteresting.
>>331370134
>So unless you want to play MGS6: The Phantom Pachinko Machine, then yes that is the final Metal Gear
No, everyone parrots that pachinko shit but they said they're still making aaa video games and metal gear has more major console titles in store.
>>331370380
>Africa is the size of a city
>>331370928
I'll blame Konami, because if a publisher can fund a game that's budget is $80million, chances are, they are able to make it back if they know what they're doing. MGSV could possibly make it back.
Also, Shenmue was 70million and the games came out over 15 years ago. Yu Suzuki wasn't fired and he even made the money back with VF3 and VF4 Arcade Revenue.
>>331371523
My favorite kaz line is when he first gets back to MB after being rescued and he's seething with rage, so fucking good.
>>331371685
Is that a helmet? What the heck?
>>331371685
We dont need Kojima.
Everybody just wants Metal Gear Rising 2
>MGS5 releases
>20 threads on the front page circlejerking
>one month later
>"omg worst game ever fuck you kojima"
Every time. You guys are so predictable.
>>331371916
I still really like how pissed off he got when Ocelot suggests he get prosthetics.
>>331370928
Kojima did go full retard with a few things, namely cutting the Battle Gear even though dev time and resources went into it and deciding to just suddenly cut a bunch of Kiefer's lines, but there were some signs suggesting that Konami was interfering with Kojima a ton during the process too
>>331372034
Everyone stayed off of /v/ for that month to avoid spoilers, turns out there was no story to spoil
>>331366583
>>You never see the character evolution that led BB to turn into the antagonist of MG1 and 2
>antagonist of MG1
MG1 DIDN'T HAVE BIG FUCKING BOSS IN IT FOR THE LAST FUCKING TIME.
We ALWAYS knew that wasn't the real BB. Jesus fucking Christ.. I'm so tired of people who clearly never played the original games complaining about things not carrying over from them.. when if you knew what the fuck you were talking about you'd know why.
>>331372034
>one month later
More like a week later. You know, after everyone got done with the first 20 hours and realised that the game was the same shit with a shitty story.
>>331372034
The flood of threads after its release were just fanboys fed by the hype machine. That isn't exclusive to /v/
Now that people have actually had time to play and think about it yes, it's shit.
>>331372174
This is bait
>people said they would commit suicide after this game came out because they thought it would be the best game ever made
>>331372174
Thanks for clearing that up I thought I was confused for a minute
>>331371783
They shouldn't put an MGS game in Africa and not show any characters who have origin stories in Africa.
>>331372321
I have a new reason to live, waiting for Xcom 2 mods and expansion packs
>>331370380
Rush this shit out so we can move onto pachinko machines.
The game as it stands is only like 70% complete.
>>331370928
Yeah, because Konami kept meddling and micromanaging and fucking with Kojima and fucking with development, do it went south.
>>331371931
supply drop fatigues while wearing gear that includes helmet
>tfw I beat the game at 6:00 AM this morning after an all nighter.
>Wake up and its still the only thing I can think about.
What is this feeling, /v/?
>>331373480
disappointment
>>331366583
MGSV is my favorite open world game by a long shot, and probably always will be. That being said, my disappointment in the story was practically palpable after I finished. I mean, I guess it's kind of cool to know what Ocelot and Kaz were up to in the 80s, and what happened to MSF, but god damnit I wanted to know what Big Boss was doing. How did he found Outer Heaven? How did he become evil? THAT'S what we wanted, and we didn't get any of it- and considering what's happened with Kojima and Konami in the last year we never fucking will. Instead we got a spinoff which goes on its own tangent and does nothing to actually 'wrap up' the series (which wouldn't be too bad if this series had any future)
>>331373480
Obsession. It's a good game.
>>331369305
>I realized the story is actually cool as fuck
What story?
I swear to god, I ask question this to everyone that tries to put forth the stance that MGSV had a good or even passable, and nobody's been able to really put together any semblance of an answer beyond a quick two or three sentence summary, and said summary literally covers the entire plot because fucking NOTHING of note happens, and even then, they can't even punctuate it with a closure to the supposed story because the game itself sure as fuck didn't even bother.
You have a couple barely connected events and a plot twist that goes nowhere and barely even fits into the lore of not only Metal Gear, but it's even MGSV's isolated mishmash of seemingly random plot threads. It doesn't even make sense in the -very missing where it is revealed-, unless Big Boss can regrow an eye like fucking Wolverine and proceed to gouge it out when he wants to play pirate again, to say nothing of the instabeard.
Actually, you could say that for the entire game's plot; completely disposable. Pretty much every story beat and plot point is disposable because aside from the PARASITES, nothing really leads anywhere, and even PARASITES kind of fizzles away after Shining Lights. Quiet, the character with about 30% of the game's cutscenes devoted to her, is entirely tertiary and you can even kill her during your first meeting with no consequence to the "story." Visions of Skullface? Goes nowhere and means nothing. Paz's survival? Oh, it's just a hallucination that apparently every named character on Mother Base shares. Shotaquid stealing the Sallypuss and wordgerms? Cut content.
Even the Shining Lights cutscene, which I have seen multiple people say is so powerful and well done that Hayter could not have possibly matched Sutherland's moderately above-average delivery, goes nowhere. Venom metaphorically "becomes a demon" and goes on to running his mercenary tycoon with no change in attitude or disposition whatsoever.
>>331373480
Loss. Something has been taken from you.
>>331367198
>It was a rushed game (or to be more accurate, Kojima lost control of the budget, Konami axed him and he had to ship whatever he could)
Not rushed, over time and over budget.
But if they had all the time and money they needed, we would've gotten an ACT 3, less filler missions, more features and polish, but the story would be just as bad.
>fucking Konami! How could anyone defend them after what they did to Based Kojima-san?
>fucking Kojimafags defending their lord and master! Konami was right all along!
I don't understand why it has to boil down to this.
Here's the facts: Kojima's overrated, Konami's dogshit, and Metal Gear deserves better than them.While I'm at it, fuck Platinum too
>>331373917
>MGSV is my favorite open world game by a long shot, and probably always will be.
I guess you never played RDR
I don't know why people are adamantly blaming Konami. It was clear even from what we had that kojima didn't have a fucking iota what he was doing and hasn't since MGS3, just following whatever whims take his fancy.
>>331367372
>We got that in Peace Walker.
>Takes off bandana
>GRRR THE BOSS GRRR
>CALL ME BIG BOSS
Yeah, fucking no
>>331374715
>we would've gotten an ACT 3
>less filler missions
>but the story would be just as bad.
The reason the story is shit is probably mostly because they didn't have time to finish it.
>>331367885
>I spent around two hours today rewriting the game in my head.
It wrote itself didn't it?
Played us like a fiddle. That was ours.
MSF burning into the sea was literally fandom
>>331374715
Act 3 would've just been the last mission, which would've made the game better but it would still be shit overall because nothing of consequence happens during that mission
>>331374781
No, I did. It was fantastic, and certainly more coherent as far as story goes, but I didn't enjoy it quite as much.
>>331374915
>The reason the story is shit is probably mostly because they didn't have time to finish it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%BCbler-Ross_model
How the hell are you still in denial?
>>331375013
>Act 3 would've just been the last mission,
Source?
>>331368326
This really. It's not just the story that takes a dive in the second half, but gameplay as well. While it was crystal clear that Phantom Pain was going to be the biggest and most feature-dense game they've ever done, nobody was prepared to actually see the project completely through. Kojima's radical vision bought us a game of a caliber no other producer would have or could have gone with the franchise, and for that first half of the game it was bliss. If there was a way to mod the game to start at Ground Zeroes and end with a shortened Act 2 I would be content.
Reminder that Huey is the best MG villain ever
>>331374206
>What story?
"you are a body double of big boss, do your job and become the demon". That makes the game cool as fuck in my eyes, add in all the other character narratives no matter how short, small or meager and you have a story. It's unrealized and causes blue balls but I've accepted its faults and it's merits and the story is minimalist framework that has some very interesting and cool things draped over it. It's not an exhaustive or dense plot tjat the games are known for but when you accept it for what it is, or when I accept it for what it is I should say, I think it's a great launchpad of a world and general story for you to realize your role what is sort of a prequel to the story that people thought the game would cover.
>>331366583
>i'm going to take my copypasta to make the daily MGSV hate thread
https://boards.fireden.net/v/search/text/%3EVenom%27s%20existence/
>>331375483
I can't believe that amount of dislike I ended up having for him holy shit
>>331369665
>This, Kiefer was actually good, and I couldn't imagine Hayter selling moments like "scatter your sorrow to the heartless sea" the way Kiefer did.
If it's the normal snake voice and not throat gravel its fine
Go listen to the mushy inspirational shit at the end of MGS2
>>331373917
he never really became evil, he was always trying to follow the bosses original vision. Venom was used to ruse the world and in MG1 he swapped places with big boss presumably to fake his own death so he could establish Zanzibar in secrecy.
>>331372223
No, after everyone started telling everyone what the story was about.
I had a blast playing it and I had to complete it 3 times to get bored of the after-release rush.
I'm at 450 hours now.
>>331366583
>In his final moments Skullface narrates to absolutely no one about how his existence will be conveniently scrubbed from history and he'll never be mentioned again
Probably the single most ham-fisted explanation for a prequel character not appearing in later works that I've ever seen.
Having Skullface literally turn to camera and declare "I'm never mentioned in the other games" would have been less awkward.
>>331368251
You think that's the same as "I like to invade countries, kill all the adults and make child soldiers out of their children" Big Boss from MG2?
>/v/ unironically was naive enough to get hyped for a post-2010 Triple A game
>/v/ then spent 8 months whining about it
>>331375654
big boss faked his own death i meant
>>331375526
>BECOME A DEMON AND GO NUCLEAR
You spend the entire game saving child soldiers and stopping terrorists from committing cultural genocide. There's nothing very "demonic" about a single thing you did.
>b....but you kill your own men!!!!
They were infected and would have spread the disease to the world. Not much of a moral dilemma
>>331375635
Hayter did fine in those but Snake still sounded like a comically fake character, and none of the dialogue in 2 was as serious as Shining Lights
Hell, Kief screaming no during the end of the Laz hallucination sounded realer than any bit of VA Hayter has ever done
>>331375905
No, but by 1974 he was already addicted to war.
20 years more of that and it's normal that he ended up that way.
>>331371994
Yes please.
Maybe with a different protagonist. Could be stupid, but what about a cyborg ninja Venom Snake? His body was put on ice by the Patriots after his death and some time after 2018, a Cipher wannabe group steals it and makes him a cyborg ninja so Big Boss can be reborn?
I don't know. I've just had enough of Raiden for a lifetime.
>>331369443
>>331369823
Cipher is the dumbest shit
The patriots had the problem of being a villian you never fight but characters are always talking about. Their mystique was totally unraveled in MGS4, there is nothing interesting to do with them anymore.
So what do they do in PW and V? Bring them in as cypher, talk about them, and you never actually fight them. They don't even "do" anything in the plot like the patriots, it's all skullface.
>>331366583
Last part of MGS3, Peace Walker and MGSV all show the character evolution that led to Big Boss turning into an antagonist.
MGSV Big Boss proves himself an asshole hypocrite, Venom Snake's mere existence is evidence of BB being a "villain".
>>331375526
>It's a great story if you ignore all the shit parts and pretend there's a good story
To each his own, I guess. Mental gymnastics can do wonders for some people.
>>331375939
I just prefer to think it's Kojimadrones.
It's hilarious to see them
>b-b-but MGS is perfect how did this happen ;___;
So fucking good.
>>331375846
Butthole clenching scene
>>331375526
>cool as fuck
Why do I get the urges to punch everyone who uses this?
>>331375965
Venom pretty much spends the entire game thinking he's a terrible person and blames himself for everything but in reality he's pretty much the most morally good person in the entire prequel saga who is continuously fucked over by a variety of people, Huey in particular, while Big Boss jerks himself off in hiding so he can create his autistic dream of endless war
>/v/ finally gets hyped for some Triple A
>worst game of the year
Feels good.
>>331368251
the greatest thing about this speech is that big boss's ideology was completely incorrect
>>331375965
At the end of the truth mission it's implied things begin to go downhill with the logo changing to the outer heaven one, you punching the mirror and smiling while gunfire is either heard in your mind or the background and you're covered in blood. Also the world already hated big boss by that point and venom had to assume that persona.
>>331375526
>"you are a body double of big boss, do your job and become the demon". That makes the game cool as fuck in my eyes, add in all the other character narratives no matter how short, small or meager and you have a story. It's unrealized and causes blue balls but I've accepted its faults and it's merits and the story is minimalist framework that has some very interesting and cool things draped over it. It's not an exhaustive or dense plot tjat the games are known for but when you accept it for what it is, or when I accept it for what it is I should say, I think it's a great launchpad of a world and general story for you to realize your role what is sort of a prequel to the story that people thought the game would cover.
Except you never become a demon (other than through hamfisted imagery that doesn't make much sense), so everything you just mentioned is completely pointless and meaningless
>>331376105
I'd like to see the game semi-open ended. You can pick what order you fight the bosses in, like a Megaman deal.
Just have a bunch of standalone levels with cuhrazzzyyy cyborg bosses.
>fire / welder cyborg who can melt steel beams with his bare hands
>water cyborg that shapeshifts like t-1000
>some nigga that transforms into a plane and flies around
>>331370154
>That's debatable considering Ocelot could never decide what accent he wanted.
>ALSO, RAD did a top fucking notch job. Those moments when Kaz got to his buttbothered levels were chilling.
Does anyone else notice how ocelot acts chill like miller and miller acts crazed like ocelot?
It's not just personality, ocelot is a mentor and gives you flora and fauna advice like miller. And miller is ambitious and all about fucking shit over like ocelot.
Some of the worst character consistency I've ever seen. Made miller the best character in the game though.
>>331375965
I think the point was that Venom doesn't become a bad guy, but he sees himself as a bad one.
The whole Paz thing in the game is basically him blaming himself for her death, he blames himself for the death of the guys in the Quarantine Platform.
>>331376107
Cipher and the Patriots aren't exactly active characters as we understand. They play the role of setting all the characters in place for the story to happen, most literally in MGS2.
>>331375846
>Physically cringe when I first saw this, felt bad for Huey
>Rewatch it now, all I want is for Kaz to keep going
Fuck that cuck, holy shit
>>331376503
Finally, someone gets it.
>>331371716
>Both can't evolve Big Boss's character without rehashing what was already done in MGS3
In MGS3 we saw big boss get broken, but we never saw him become the villian
>>331376503
There's also the part where he accidentally shoots Eli in Kingdom of the Flies, and when he leaves him there to his death, and then he sees himself covered in blood and with the huge horn in the heli mirror's reflection.
>>331376127
There's no mental gymnastics in accepting it for what it is and saying at least the glass is half full. I can enjoy it for what it is, I waited for it so why bitch and moan about it when i finally get it you know?
>we will never get to play as the boss
>>331376843
That would be dumb. You gotta maintain a level of mystique with some characters.
>>331376843
What, so you end up fighting some kind of Nazi metal gear which, for some reason, is more advanced than Sahelanthropus?
Or for the reflex mode vaginal contractions during Ocelots birth?
>>331370154
Miller was the true hero of MGS5 like how Otacon was in MGS4.
He just wanted his coolass army, now he obsesses about fucking burgers as a hobby
>>331375821
You know, skull face is consistent with a mary sue villian
Bends the rules of the narrative, and the author has to bullshit how he's even possible
>>331372385
That's a stupid ass statement. Africa is the second biggest continent in the world. Not everything has to be super connected (this was the reason why MGS4's story was shit). MGSV took place in the Congo, Raiden was in Liberia, Gray Fox was in Mozambique. None of these countries are contiguous and Liberia isn't even anywhere close to Liberia. That's like saying that GZ should have had Baker or any American character because it took place in North America.
>>331377034
what the hell is the point of this picture
>>331375762
You're an outlier. Most people stopped liking it after doing a fulton mission for the umpteenth time.
>>331377050
Miller was the best character but he still caused the fucking war economy
>>331372034
It's fun for the first 20 hours or so, when you're just fucking around with the stealth, enjoying the graphics (Afghanistan has the best looking rocks I've ever seen in a game), and still think the story has potential. Not to mention, people were just happy to have the game in their hands after years of hype. When the newness wears off, and the formula starts to get repetitive, your impression instantly sours. The same thing happened with Destiny.
>>331377239
Don't speak in my name, senpai.
>>331369153
>>tfw no Tom Waits as Old Snake
I never knew I could want something so badly
>>331377160
To make a comparison
>>331372156
this was the biggest disappointment for me.
filtering everything MGS-related to make sure i got the blind experience, only to realize there was nothing to see.
>>331369176
4 had tighter controls, better levels and better stealth mechanics for the first two chapters
>>331377050
loved that scene at the end when he says how he'll stay with the phantom and make him stronger.
>>331376843
Fuck that
Only thing that would be worth a damn is solidus or liquid
>>331377356
which is?
>>331377240
Didn't the secret tapes say that the War economy was an inevitable outcome of the Cold War?
aka Kojima trying to legitimatize MGS4's horseshit
>>331377439
MGS4's gameplay was functional, there was absolutely nothing about it that standed out, it was just MGS3 with a non-clunky shooting system.
>>331377121
>Liberia isn't even anywhere close to Liberia.
anon honey i agree with your post but please you're being crazy
>>331373917
All the necessary information is doled out in other games. As much as people don't like it, MGS4 is basically a giant info dump on what happened between MGS3 and MG1.
If anyone else did what the real Big Boss did in V they'd be considered an antagonist.
It's only legend bias that makes anyone think otherwise. Which I think is part of the subject of the plot, legend bias.
Fucking shit execution though.
>>331377439
I want to replay 4 so bad, but I don't have a gaystation. I noticed all the regressions from 4 to V.
>>331377628
This.
If you see things from his point of view, it doesn't seem bad, but that's the point of MGS, there are no true evil guys, just people using differet kinds of methods to achieve something they think is good.
i'm super fucking pissed about ocelot.
he did EVERYTHING in mgs1-4 out of love for big boss, and then in 5 he's being all frigid about it.
he used to be the best character but in this game i'm in love with kaz
>>331377121
>GZ
>North America
>>331377715
Why?
It's still one of the worst MGS and a legitimately boring game.
Outside of the Metal Gear and Liquid vs Snake fight, it's a gigantic chore.
>>331376483
Miller was great, Ocelot's soul got removed at some point.
They should have brought back Pat Zimmerman and have him just go way over the top, chewing up scenery like an Holocaust victim at an all you can eat buffet, just like he usually does.
>>331376843
>there will never be an MGS V style MGS set before the events of snake eater where you play as the boss and can use the cobra unit as buddies
>>331377614
>is basically a giant info dump on what happened between MGS3 and MG1.
No, it's basically a giant info dump on what SHOULDNT HAPPEN between MGS3 and MG1
>>331371451
>muh engine
Stop this meme. You'd be amazed at the amount of developers that use in house engines and manage to put out larger scale games over a much smaller development period and with a fraction of the budget
>>331377247
Gameplay is fun for a lot more than 20 hours
>>331377751
Ocelot knows Venom isn't BB
It's why he gets all gay with the real BB in the truth ending while the rest of the game consists of Kaz being all gay with Venom
>>331374745
i like your style anon
>>331377892
They didn't build the fox engine from scratch like kojima's team though, that had to be where most of the time was spent, otherwise it doesn't take 5 years to put out the small amount of content they put out.
>>331377493
Well you don't seem to know about Greek philosophers and I'm not spoonfeeding you
>>331377838
Oh don't get me wrong. I'd love to skip 60% of the game. But I borrowed the game on my playthrough and I didn't get my fill of fucking around
>>331376679
Yeah. All MGS3 had done was take Big Boss's innocence. Made him disillusioned, but it was a far cry away from seeing him become the villain.
The game would be better if they had followed the GTA V structure for the story missions, and of course, if it was finished.
Basically making the missions much more linear, and leave the complete freedom for the more ''wetwork'' missions like A Hero's Way.
>>331376772
>I waited for it so why bitch and moan about it when i finally get it you know?
A little something called "standards." Not everyone can be handed a glass half full of watery shit and see the bright side in it.
If a game builds up the hype that it's going to be the most emotionally intense video game story of the decade, breaking taboos with no regard for the consequences and showing a beloved character go down a dark path everyone knew was coming with almost palpable anticipation, and then proceeds to give us a half-finished oil platform simulator where you can judo throw your employees while occasionally going out and attaching balloons to EVERYTHING, you can be damn sure people are going to be incredibly disappointed.
>But that's the genius! Kojima defied your expectations
Yeah, I never thought in a million years that MGSV would turn out to be such a letdown.
What if kojima will continue the mgs series if we big him enough. Like how mgs3 was supposed to be the last one but then we asked for 4 and then 4 was gonna be last but then we asked for 5.
>>331378005
alright then so you don't know either, gotcha
>>331377121
Except if all of those places have conflicts, that's reason for them to hire out some guys to do wetwork.
Diamond Dogs is a business, those various PFs could have hired them out for all sorts of purposes. They'd just go where the money and conflicts are. Really Diamond Dogs would have been doing ops in a shit ton more places than just Afghanistan and central Africa.
>>331377628
But he is an antagonist for most of the series.
>>331376335
It's just not fair
>>331378149
The game isn't watery shit though
>no it's chunky shit!
I get it, you hate the game and if anyone likes it they're retarded and have shit taste
>>But that's the genius! Kojima defied your expectations
I never said that, you're having imaginary exchanges with people in your head, you're more like Venom than you realize
>>331377912
i'd argue that ocelot was the only one who knew that venom was BB.
i think the concept of doublethink only works if it works, and if ocelot knew venom was a fake rather than "Also BB", then it's not doublethink.
i see your point but i don't agree with it.
>>331377628
>Which I think is part of the subject of the plot, legend bias.
I don't think that was the actual intention.
>>331377530
The level of control you had over snake didn't stand out?
The gadgets didn't stand out?
The way you were put in the middle of two warring factions and got to influence the tide of battle to suit you didn't stand out?
>>331378713
No, it was nothing special.
>>331378165
Well now you're just being a little shit so I'll explain just to spite you.
Socrates passed his teachings to Plato who passed his teachings to Aristotle just as The Boss passed her teachings to Big Boss who passed his teachings to Solid Snake. Socrates had to be killed innocently for the sake of his cause just like The Boss and it heavily affected Plato like it did Big Boss. Diogenes is Ocelot because Diogenes was described by Plato as "Socrates gone mad". It's a relation because Ocelot is the son of The Boss (who is like Socrates) and Ocelot is a pretty crazy guy.
>>331377994
Yes they do, holy fuck you're dumb.
just because several high profile devs use Unreal doesn't mean that's the standard. Almost every first party company has their own proprietary engine that they've built from the ground up. Hell, fucking Koei Tecmo have three
>>331378104
>>331376679
We see him resent the US/the West for setting up and forcing him to kill his mentor simply so that they can get the Philosopher's legacy. He wasn't just broken, he was incensed. 30 years of that chip on his shoulder and he made Outer Heaven. There was no reason for PW and TPP's stories. Hence why PW just retreads MGS3 and TPP has to make a new character altogether, because there was nothing to tell. Big Boss was already betrayed and already resented the West by the end of MGS3. Big Boss already said fuck you to nations at the end of MGS3.
>>331378525
Yea, but the game took place in 2 areas. And unless you want Big Boss to go hoping from Mozambique to Liberia back to Congo to Mozambique again, it would have been stupid other than to fulfill fanboys wet dreams of seeing old characters as children. And seeing how poorly Liquid and Octopus were handled, I don't get why anyone would want this. Hell, part of the reason MGS4 was shit was because it was just one massive game of wish fulfilment.
>>331378913
no that doesn't sound right
>>331378913
Okay, but what's the point of the picture other than to show off your high school English level of philosophy?
>>331371783
>Diamond Dogs is a PMC with air transport
>can only do jobs in a very specific part of the African continent
>>331377439
It also managed to have better bosses and better versions of the same characters.
>>331378961
And how many are on par with the fox engine? In either case it doesn't take a team that seasoned 5 years to put out a game like this, all MGSV is, is a prettier peacewalker with less story
>>331374745
That's just the way things are anon. I guess you could say it's just therules of nature.
>mfw it's my second favorite Metal Gear, behind only MGS1, maybe even being tied with it
>>331379108
ebin
>tfw you remember threads filled with hundreds of people saying shit like
PEOPLE COULD -DIE- BEFORE THIS GAME COMES OUT? CAN YOU IMAGINE? I'LL NEVER LEAVE MY FUCKING HOUSE AGAIN WHEN THIS GAME COMES OUT, GOD THIS IS GONNA BE KOJIMAS MASTERPIECE
>>331375526
>>331374206 here
>"you are a body double of big boss, do your job and become the demon"
That's not a story, that's a twist, and it's not even what happens.
You didn't like the story, you liked an imaginary concept of a hypothetical story.
>>331379128
It's just an amusing picture for people who will get it. You're making such a damn hoopla about it.
>>331376105
Nah nigga, it has to be LIQUID.
I mean, what happened to his arm after Ocelot replaced it with a cyborg arm?
>>331379279
Fox Engine would have been impressive years ago when it was first announced, but it's genuinely outdated right now. People jerk it off since Konami are the only company to release videos jerking off to propitiatory engines.
Look at something like Assassins Creed if you want to see a genuinely impressive game engine.
>MUH QUIET
What a waste
>>331379362
>an imaginary concept of a hypothetical story.
That is EXACTLY what MGSV is.
>>331379412
That wasn't me, I actually know what you meant with it. It's not amusing in the slightest, you just made it to show everyone what a refined intellectual you are.
>>331379313
pretty sure i killed the boss because she tried to kill me :^)
>>331379054
How the hell do you talk so much and say nothing?
>Big boss was ass blasted, nothing more to see here
How about retribution? How about becoming a savage that destabilizes regions just to recruit soldiers, even children? How about striking back?
Instead we play as some medic and balloon shit out of durkadurka stan and do nothing wrong.
>>331379181
>I want to create more maps just to have a fanboy orgasm over seeing my favorite character get butchered by Neo-Kojima.
Kojima saved you from further disappointment.
>>331379362
>it's not even what happens
yea it is
>>331379660
If that's what helps you sleep at night
>>331366583
Nothing but painful feels towards this game. The game play was GREAT but I can't enjoy it.
because im nuclear
I remember when people were like this for GTA IV, people were like "HOLY SHIT ALL THOSE BUILDINGS YOU CAN GO IN AND A ROLLERCOASTER I BET YOU CAN RIDE IT AND SHIT! THIS IS GOING TO BE THE GREATEST GAME OF ALL TIME, LIFE CHANGING!"
Then it turned out the tons of buildings it looked like you could go in you couldn't actually go in, which should be obvious considering technology.
The rollercoaster wasn't even ride-able and as it turned out in V is lame anyway.
Same shit for GTA V too, lived up to neither the hype or the doom and gloom.
The goal of The Phantom Pain was actually to beat western developers at their own game.
Western devs have been obsessed with making open world adventure games in recent years and MGSV just curb stomps all of them. Go and play
>GTA
>Far Cry
>Just Cause
>Mad Max (came out on the same day as TPP kek)
>Watch_Dogs
>Assassin's Creed
>Infamous
>Batman: Arkham
and tell me they don't feel like hollow shit in comparison.Red Dead Redemption still holds up though
>>331377452
I didn't because it made no fucking sense since he trained Solid to kill Venom
>>331380318
They don't feel like hollow shit in comparison
>>331380318
[reply]
>>331379776
Retribution wouldn't make sense. That's the point. Have you even played MG1? No one knew BB was the leader of Outer Heaven until the Intrude N313. Big Boss openly going around doing retribution shit and trying to knock some heads before that makes no sense. MGS3 already set up it perfectly: Big Boss is made, but let's it fester for 30 years while plotting his revenge. Then MG1 happens. No need for all the filler bullshit that is PW and TPP. Your argument boils down to we need to see Big Boss go nuclear, but that would never have made sense, because MG1 hinges on the fact that to everyone Big Boss is a mercenary/US war hero, and not some anti-American Rambo going nuclear against the government.
>>331379054
It might of given Big Boss the motivation, but you need more than that.
That'd be like the Star Wars prequels ending with Attack of the Clones abd saying "Yeah, you can fill in the blank for how Anakin turns into Vader, switches sides, works for Sheev, gets the Empire going and all that so we won't show you. "
>>331380453
dd lasted until 1995 which is a long ass time of him working with Venom, a lot could have happened between then and the outer heaven uprising
I honestly appreciate the story as it is MORE than I would have appreciated a Revenge of the Sith-style story. A game filling in all the blanks would have been cool on the surface, but boring after the fact. We would've all been saying, "well, that was kinda bland" because we would have known exactly what would have happened each step of the way. Instead, we got something completely new, with completely new characters and fresh twists on old ones. It turned the series on its head, and it will go down as one of the biggest twists in gaming history.
"Big Boss" didn't teach Solid Snake and form Outer Heaven--- Punished Snake did (it's Punished Snake..."Venom", by itself, is a nickname, hence why it's in quotations whenever they list his name in the credits). Punished Snake is the man who Liquid knew as a child, and grew to hate. Unknowingly, Punished Snake is as important a figure in Metal Gear as Big Boss is.
We got something memorable, instead of a retreading of what we were told 20 years ago. I prefer it this way.
>>331381002
>We would've all been saying, "well, that was kinda bland
That's literally what everyone is saying, right now
And it wasn't even that big of a twist, everyone fucking predicted it the moment the trailers were out
>>331381002
this desu
if it had just been the real Boss going nuclear, /v/ would still be shitposting all day about how they got nothing new out of it
>>331380318
inFAMOUS has a complete, engaging story, variation in sidequests and a more interesting world to explore.
Sorry.
I think TPP is probably the most hollow of those listed.
>empty, lifeless world
>grindy base mechanics for maximum time sink
>rehashed missions in the main missions
>it gets even worse in side ops
>story is a worthless phoned-in pile of shit with similarly-phoned-in voice acting
Although AssCreed 1 was hot dogshit, TPP doesn't make me frothing-at-the-mouth angry like that game does.
So there's that.
>>331380772
What blank would need to be filled out though? The only blank left was time for Big Boss to build up his secret mercenary army. That means that Big Boss wouldn't be able to do anything of note after MGS3. What you would have would be a series of games that are just side stories while Big Boss secretly builds up his mercenary army. Something that would be absolutely pointless just so fans can have a fanboy moment of "THIS IS IT".
>>331380318
except the open world part kind of ruins it.
>>331380772
>star wars prequels comparison
The heat's on now m'niggers
>>331381140
Everyone predicted Big Boss being the protagonist of MGS3, too (remember the pamphlets with the differently-colored letters that spelled Boss?). It was still a cool twist, and one that was memorable.
>>331380769
>Big Boss openly going around doing retribution shit and trying to knock some heads before that makes no sense.
While you're talking about sense, you're not defending V right?
>because MG1 hinges on the fact that to everyone Big Boss is a mercenary/US war hero
What we know and what the people of the metal gear fiction know have always been two different things
No one ever talked about MSF or diamond dogs in the other games, if big boss was doing evil shit they wouldn't know about that either. What happens in vegas stays in vegas
By your logic we couldn't have a game about solidus being a bad guy because he fooled everyone in the presidential election
>>331379413
Nah, work in Psycho Mantis when he was part of the KGB and FBI as a profiler. Especially if you do the KGB, you could give some of that shit a really dark, quasi STALKER sort of feel to him hunting down deranged killers and other super powered individuals for "recruiting"
>>331381002
>mfw reading this post
>>331381002
I agree. I'm liking the story more and more the longer I digest it
I can't decide if the similarities to Peace Walker ("I'm taking your legs back") are a result of 2meta4u, or a desire to remake PW for the consoles.
The coma/brain damage was also too convenient an excuse to retell the important events from the previous BB games.
>>331381002
>I honestly appreciate the story as it is MORE than I would have appreciated a Revenge of the Sith-style story. A game filling in all the blanks would have been cool on the surface, but boring after the fact.
As compared to a version of ROTS where venom anakin does all the bad shit in real anakin's place?
>>331380318
GTA V was way better than MGSV at open world in almost every conceivable way, you would have to be completely delusional to think otherwise. The Witcher 3 was also way better than MGSV at open world
The only justified games on here is Watch Dogs because it had a budget comparable to MGSV but was a worse game overall. Almost all other games are way cheaper so it's retarded to compare them
>>331375821
Isn't that one of the hallmarks of incredibly shitty fanfiction? Introducing a increrdibly dangerous antagonist who is is able to instill fear and dread in everyone and he somehow disappears and no one ever makes a single mention of how he nearly wiped out most of humanity?
>>331381002
The only thing memorable was Shining Lights.
>>331381373
>you're not defending V right?
No, MGSV's story is shit. I just don't think that it's shit due to not having Big Boss go nuclear and have the game show him creating Outer Heaven or whatever people wanted the game to do. Personally, I think that the game should never have been about BB, and could have been about someone else entirely or maybe Kojima should have made ZoE3.
The difference between Solidus and BB, is that Solidus's actions were under the auspices of the Patriots. Big Boss's were not. Big Boss going around doing massively well documented anti-Patriot activity would make no sense since he would then have to rejoin them at a later point to fool them. Thus, you can't have a game with a large event if you're wanting to have it be about Big Boss going nuclear before MG1.
>>331381482
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome
>>331366583
>You never see the character evolution that led BB to turn into the antagonist of MG1 and 2
This is the worst part. All the money and time in the world and we still would have spent the whole game playing as a fake boss and getting no characterization for the real one.
>>331381002
Except MGSV was a bunch of bland shit and everyone saw the twist from a mile away. I'd appreciate the game more if it wasn't just a bunch of dull, repetitive missions completely recycled in the second half with a protagonist that barely even says anything with a handful of threadbare story elements stretched out over a hundred hours of repetitive missions
>>331381482
Same.
>>331379891
No, the story is
>"You are a body double of Big Boss. Go faff about and build shit while he does the exact same thing you are doing, but cooler."
Nowhere, throughout the entire game, does Venom do anything resembling becoming a demon. He was a patsy that wanked around in the ocean building shit and kidnapping people to join his super cool club where they can walk back and forth on concrete platforms on giant metal struts all day and eventually die of word germs.
Again, there. is. NO. story. There's a framework for a story, one that might have been cool if it had an accompanying story, but there is no actual story, merely events.
If you actually listen to the tapes, it turns into a occasionally mildly dark slice of life anime featuring Not!Big Boss and his level-headed comrades.
I liked the Huey subplot. That was cool. It is, however, the only part of the game I actually found mildly interesting.
WHY DID THEY REMOVE THE FUCKING LIMB DAMAGE? WHAT WAS THE FUCKING POINT? HOW COULD A PS2 GAME HAVE IT AND A NEXT GEN GAME NOT HAVE IT? WHAT THE FUCK KOJIMA
>>331377905
I disagree, once you have a supressed rifle the game is basically over
>>331372548
My nigga
>>331381002
>"Big Boss" didn't teach Solid Snake
Big Boss never taught Snake.
Miller did.
BB was just his commanding officer for Intrude N313.
And anyway, I could agree with you
If the game wasn't an exercise in character genocide.
Every single character in the game was worsened through the events of the game.
Except Quiet, but she wasn't much of a character.
Big Boss becomes a big pussy who fucks off into hiding for some reason
Miller goes from a shrewd businessman to a fucking madman
Ocelot turns into a cowboy, for some reason. Also he's not a sadist anymore.
Huey designs a Metal Gear that must be piloted by a child (???), intends to use his own toddler son as a test pilot (???????) and then kills Strangelove when she disagrees (???????????????), after having been a timid good-guy who regretted his place and his work as a military scientist.
Even Skull Face, who only had a single scene and some tapes in GZ to found his character, got totally buttfucked into being a cartoon-tier, true-evil villain in a series that has long had a reputation for gray morality in its opposing forces.
Not to mention his plan was fucking retarded.
And in the process of creating the Big Medic twist, they just totally fucked up everything. It asks more questions than it answers, it was wholly unnecessary, nobody wanted it.
You can make an engaging story out of events the audience is already aware of.
Everyone knows the Titanic sinks.
Thank god I got it on PC and not PS4.
>>331380318
AHAHAH OH WOW
Its funny because aside from Ubi patented bullshit of littering the map wiht useless bullshit each and every game there felt way more alive and bigger than TPP where you will spend a inordinate amount of time in the middle of fucking nowhere and have to repeat that seemly endlessly because the challenges are only revealed after you complete the mission so you end up having to do it again and again, go fuck yourself nigger
>>331382316
whats the difference
you still cant fill the hole it left inside of you
Metal Gear Solid V threads are basically arenas for people who prioritize gameplay and people who prioritize story to battle one another for the entertainment of the populace.
>>331381175
What angers me about the open world of TPP is how it managed to be somehow worse and more empty than XCX, a game that was made for the shittiest console on the market right now
>>331381002
>that was kinda bland
That's what we got! Boring empty bullshit paraded as the greatest story ever told. I'd much rather see Big Boss become some evil fucktard than have Big Medic have any more screen time to grunt and stare at the screen with his fucking blank face. There was only any emotion in Huey's scenes the entire game and everything else about this was just another AAA watered down pile of shit.
>>331382471
thats what pissed me off the most though, the gameplay was JUST OK, not great, I expected much more from a METAL GEAR OPEN WORLD GAME
>>331382437
I do because i've never given a fuck about the story considering it jumped the shark back in MGS2 and it's been a convoluted piece of trash.
I'm just glad for Infinite Heaven.
So are we still ignoring the fact that the very first level in MGSV has more depth that Ground Zeroes or are we just shitposting because we wanted Le Epic story and can't tell the difference between story and theme?
>>331382437
i fucked your mum hole yesterday and the day before you're born
>>331382396
Thing is, I don't think I could reach the amount of gameplay I have in MGSV even by playing all those games in that list.
>>331382471
Can we stop pretending the gameplay is good?
With mods to fill out the game it would be amazing though
>>331382471
>Metal Gear Solid V threads are basically arenas for people who prioritize gameplay and people who prioritize story to battle one another for the entertainment of the populace.
No, it's an arena for autists (people who like playing the same missions over and over again or think Kojima/Konami can do no wrong) and everyone else
Yes, the gameplay was improved, but that's meaningless if it's the same missions over and over again
>>331381352
Except everyone predicted all the big great twists of TPP as each and every trailer got released
>>331381978
>does Venom do anything resembling becoming a demon
he is a dog of war in the world's eyes, he fights and kills for the US while simultaneously fighting and killing for communists in Africa. And at the end of the game it's implied he turns "evil" by smiling while covered in blood with gunfire being heard then he walks off into darkness after listening to Big Boss tell him he is a part of the Big Boss legend and it's implied he goes on to fulfill the role of diversionary villain.
>>331375278
Watch mission 51 in youtube.
>>331382697
People predicted that Venom was not Big Boss, that's it.
>>331382396
If you think any of the open worlds in the listed games (except GTA) don't feel empty and soulless you are brain dead.
>>331382396
>Mad Max
>Infamous
>Far Cry
>alive worlds
Nope.
Just like MGSV, you have a couple of guys spawning in predetermined areas and that's it.
>>331382643
don't pretend it's bad you god forsaken nigger jesus christ. Here let me save you time "It's shit. It's shit, it's metal gear farcry and it's boring empty shit". There faggot.
>>331382749
How new are you? Everyone was talking about how Venom might've been the Medic. It wasn't that hard to figure out
>>331382749
People predicted he was in fact the medic, Huey going full retard, Ocelot knowing everything and SKull FAce somehow being inserted in MGS3
>>331382749
if you looked closely at the hospital cutscene at the end of ground zeroes you realized the snake in tpp wasn't BB because Big Boss didn't have shrapnel in his head on the operating table.
>>331382654
Every mission takes place in different layouts and you have oodles of loadouts to mess with. Even going through everything once is at least as much gameplay as any other mgs game. Not the game's fault you have no creativity
>>331382837
Well at least you're willfully ignorant instead of just ignorant.
>>331382834
>>331382831
>aside from Ubi patented bullshit of littering the map with useless bullshit
It sure must be hard reading right my fellow americans, fuck readin right?
>>331382849
Exactly, people only talked about Venom's identity.
>>331382886
>Huey going full retard
That isn't even a twist, you can guess it from Ground Zeroes.
>Ocelot knowing everything
Probably because that's what he does in every single game.
>SKull FAce somehow being inserted in MGS3
People shot in all directions regarding where Skullface would be inserted.
Of course a bullet is going to reach the target when you shot in circles endlessly.
>>331383015
Then tell us, how do those dead worlds feel more alive?
>>331383027
>Exactly, people only talked about Venom's identity.
If they predicted the single most important point of the game what does that leave the game? Nothing but a bland doomsday villain that will never be talked ever again
>>331383109
Are you illiterate?
>>331382970
>Every mission takes place in different layouts and you have oodles of loadouts to mess with
Yes, but this only keeps the same missions interesting for so long. After a while it gets boring and dull. There aren't even any interesting boss fights, they're all bullet sponges. The other MGs games at least had interesting situations, this is just the same thing over and over again, with different loadouts, until you're sick of it
>>331366583
>You never see the character evolution that led BB to turn into the antagonist of MG1 and 2
you saw that in mgs3. You do realize everything he's done after that was a BAD thing, right?
>>331382941
Nor in every other game after it and neither a robo arm unless he can grow arms like some sort of lizard
>>331381002
>retreading of what we were told 20 years ago. I prefer it this way.
We were told, but we didn't see. Miller calls Big Boss a monster in MG2, but we never see he do anything monstrous in the BB games.
>>331383194
That's the thing.
Of course you can say people predicted MGSV's storyline when people speculated about absolutely everything and took into count every single possibility according to what people saw in the trailers.
The funny part is these people think think so highly of Kojima that they think he could have built a story that no one could have predicted, yet people complain because Big Boss doesn't go nuclear, doesn't fight Solid Snake, etc.
People want to be able to shoot in all directions, they want to miss, but at the same time they want a huge big target in front of them.
>>331382970
Extract Skilled Prisoner 27
Unlucky Dog 46
Extract Skilled Solider 259
So much variety! How could I be so unimaginative. Truly this is on par with Shadow Moses, Big Shell and Groznyj Grad! I was just too close minded to see it!
>>331382886
>Huey going full retard
Anyone else pissed they couldn't kill huey? He has perfect plot armor because he's alive in the future, then they write him doing shit that would have any other character killed.
I WTFd when venom said we can't judge an enemy. I'd shot thousands of dudes in the face for no reason by that point.
>>331383367
>The funny part is these people think think so highly of Kojima that they think he could have built a story that no one could have predicted, yet people complain because Big Boss doesn't go nuclear, doesn't fight Solid Snake, etc.
No, the problem is that the game's story is heavily dependent on its twist, which everyone predicted anyways. If the twist was predictable but there was more to the game it would've been fine. If there was little to the game, but the twist came out of nowhere that would've been good too. MGSV's story rests almost entirely on its twist, which is completely and utterly predictable
>>331383367
>Of course you can say people predicted MGSV's storyline when people speculated about absolutely everything and took into count every single possibility according to what people saw in the trailers.
The thing is that the MEdic was a consensus, they didn't simply say every single name under the sun and accidentaly one of them, only a braindead retard would think that the Big Boss lost a arm and got a fucking horn and we just didn't really notice it in the games
>>331383294
V took the interesting scenarios from the scripted events and put it into the core gameplay
>>331383552
>The thing is that the MEdic was a consensus
My fucking sides.
>>331383015
Most of the games in that post aren't Ubisoft games, and Ubisoft didn't invent littering maps with useless bullshit (though they did streamline it for faster assembly line production)
>>331383492
>comparing filler fuck around missions with locations
???thats like saying the other games are repetitive because its get to the end of the hallway over and over again
>>331383367
>he funny part is these people think think so highly of Kojima that they think he could have built a story that no one could have predicted, yet people complain because Big Boss doesn't go nuclear, doesn't fight Solid Snake, etc.
You can deliver what was promised and still pack in surprises and twists.
We got none of that
>>331383552
>The thing is that the MEdic was a consensus
Oh look, the part of the thread were people start pulling shit out of their asses to shit harder on the game.
Are you also going to tell us that everyone predicted there would be character customization, that everyone knew Psycho Mantis was fueled by heavy emotions?
It was a theory, but the only thing close to being consensus was that Venom was Gray Fox.
>>331383651
Most of those games aren't even comparable in budget to MGSV. The few that are (GTA, RDR, and Witcher) completely crush MGSV, except Watch Dogs
>>331383736
>You can deliver what was promised
Kojima has never done that.
In fact, I remember him literally saying that ''A creative's objective is betraying the expectations of everyone.''
I mean, the game being unfinished was a bummer, but I've always had the feeling that the game wasn't going to be just some
>look how evil Big Boss is
game.
>>331383738
>that everyone knew Psycho Mantis was fueled by heavy emotions
You mean how we got told in the previous games that he got influenced by emotions? Like what happened when he went nearly insane becase of a serial killer nearly possessing him?
>>331383552
Yeah this
Keifer voicing the medic in GZ left no doubt
People can someone explain to me what happened to Venom Snake?
So BB fuck off and never appeared again until MGS4, the one Solid kills is actually Solidus.
So what happened to Venom?
Anyone else simply not give a shit at all about Kojima's dumb anime bullshit and enjoy MGSV for the god tier stealth TPS it was on high difficulties?
MGS fans are as autistic as MLP fans.
>>331383892
>left no doubt
Stop pretending people weren't all over the Gray Fox theory, please.
>>331383901
Read the fucking credits.
>>331383820
You do know that japanese games in general don't have over inflated budgets like in the west right? They always work with far less than the west
>>331383876
>Kojima has never done that.
MGS2 was the only game that wasn't as advertised, and at least that had a point. And it was time to move on, not try it again.
>>331383957
All I remember of the Gray Fox theory is that peopel kept saying he worked for Skull face
>>331383947
This,
>b-b-but muh Kojima can't do no wrong
>H-HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN
>i'm feeling le phantom pain from my le cut content :(
My fucking sides.
>>331382705
Then you like the twist and it's implications, not the story.
I'd argue that the twist is shit because it doesn't really mean anything for Big Boss, and we still have no idea what the fuck Venom's attitude towards him is, or whether the circumstances of Outer Heaven are a rebellion against Big Boss or whether they are in cahoots, but implications seems to point towards the...latter? I don't know. This is what I mean. There's not enough actual fucking story to come to any meaningful conclusions on anything.
>>331384042
>it was a time to move on
To move on to do a completely predictable story?
But everyone is complaining about MGSV being predictable.
>>331383947
>MGSV for the god tier stealth TPS it was on high difficulties
You mean those four or five Absolute Stealth/Subistence missions? Out of fucking 48?
>>331383957
>Stop pretending people weren't all over the Gray Fox theory, please.
Actually I'm going to lean with you half way here
The evidence was bullet proof it was the GZ medic, but the premise was so retarded that /v/ latched on to the next reasonable established character
>>331384130
>the story isnt what i wanted so i hate it and so do you!
>>331384219
>he doesn't go subsistence in every mission
I feel sorry for the consolefags who can't use Infinite Heaven.
>>331383973
The point was that MGSV somehow beat the West in its own game. MGSV had a much larger budget than the majority of the games listed, rendering them incomparable, and the few games it did have a similar budget to it didn't surpass. Most Japanese games aren't open world either
So no, MGSV did not beat the West at open world. It had a huge ass budget but was ultimately worse at being open world than other huge ass budgeted open world games.
>>331384246What story?
>>331383510
>the problem is that the game's story is heavily dependent on its twist
This is entirely untrue. The game's story goes to stupidly great lengths in order to foreshadow the twist as much as possible in varying degrees of amusement. Regardless, it almost assumes by itself you get it by now, and that it's no fucking twist at all. You just get a stupid rad leather jacket and go on with your life, or play the game more if you liked it since some of the postgame content is at the very least entertaining. But...the game's story doesn't rely on the game's "twist", it's thoroughly written fully acknowledging this. Know that Venom is the medic, and a lot of stupid dialogue lines suddenly make a little bit more of sense. The game's story by itself is unamusingly lackluster, since it's a pretty vanilla 80s TV-show wannabe that mostly excels when it goes past the realm of the predictable and offers certain variety, but its biggest issue is that it's a gameplay-centric experience which is the opposite of what, apparently, most MGS fans want. The context is there, it's just stupidly non-intuitive to get it and said context is just a weak story about two opposite cartoon factions fight eachother in the most boringly dull ways possible, with little surprise inbetween. The other issue is the cassette tapes, which aren't exactly bad unless they're just used as a trashcan for surprisingly not-so-boring-but-still-stupid information dumps about the pseudo-hard biology levels that went into thinking something as stupidly cheesy as the fucking vocal cord parasites. It treats the concept of using them both as a metaphor and an actual thing in the writing is supposedly amazing. And that having the worst girl in the MGS saga is an outstanding achievement because she doesn't talk until she does and then you're supposed to feel empathy, which the writers felt themselves because they were too far up their own ass.
It's still mildly entertaining in a shitty TV show kind of way.
>>331384165
>To move on to do a completely predictable story?
The parts that write them selves, the things most people wanted, yes
>But everyone is complaining about MGSV being predictable.
What? Everyone is complaining about MGSV being retarded. It wasn't predictable. The spoilers astonished everyone. Most of us were in complete denial until we saw the game ourselves.
>>331366583
>You never see the character evolution that led BB to turn into the antagonist of MG1 and 2
Can this fucking meme just die already? It happened in MGS3, Jesus Christ.
>>331382316
looks ugly
>>331384360
The open world was good though. The economy was balanced in a way that gave all your actions weight
>>331384340
I vividly remember how poeple say that if a game needs mods to be good then it will never be good no matter how many mods you plaster over it and that game is skyrim
>>331384130
>Tselinoyarsk is Zanzibar Land
What
>>331382471
Both are shit though
>>331384601
Gameplay in v is goat
>>331384340
question: I played the game for 97 hours and dropped it after getting to the point where you replay missions. Is infinite heaven good enough to reinstall if I only give a shit about fucking around?
>>331384460
>Everyone is complaining about MGSV being retarded. Not predictable
>>331382849
>>331382886
>>331384503
The economy is calculated with a shitty program though or did you fail to notice how each upgrade is a exponential?And if they soon add more grades it will become unusable because the sheer grind makes korean mmos proud
>>331384476
>It happened in MGS3
Fucking when retard? BB saved the fucking world
>>331381628
>>331383820
>games in the same genre, with the same overall gameplay design ethos, world structure and goals, can only be compared if their budget is similar
What the fuck is this, lad?
>>331384503
7/10
>>331384679
There is a very big difference between finally showing us BB being actually evil instead of a saint and have you whole game hinge on a single twist everyone predicted months before the game even released
>>331384674
Sure.
It adds soldiers patrolling the wilderness instead of sticking to outposts, it makes it so that jeeps, APCs and tanks drive around the map instead of just trucks, soldiers can call in vehicles as reinforcements, you can go in in Subsistence mode to all missions and freeplay, you can choose how well equipped soldiers will be...
>>331384668
Maybe if you haven't played video games for the last decade
>>331382471
But I hate MGSV's gameplay as well as its story
The missions are shit
Base building is shit
Character control is fine but it's basically like having a nice swim in a pool of shit
>>331384698
The newer grades of weapons are mostly relegated to FOB content which gives you a better monetary income in comparison to the single-player, and by then the game assumes you have literally everything that isn't those. It's a stupid advantage for an online mode and were added in patches, as well.
>>331383947
it's one of the best military games ever
>>331384897
Who cares, everyone in this thread will automatically love it the moment MGS6 comes out.
I mean, we now have people who unironically think MGS4 isn't worthless garbage.
If people can think that trash is good, then people won't have a problem in seeing MGSV as a ''flawed gem'' in about 4-5 years.
Time always heals wounds.
Im a pretty casual gamer over all, and a big fan of MGS.
When I saw people bitching about this game I thought they had to be overreacting but...No, the story really does suck.
Just playing as some random nobody who is the best soldier in the world just because he thinks he is.
>>331384907
Except now FOBs are become deader and deader and the only way for you to consistently gain resources is to go after security challenges, only they stop being challenges and become a souless grind since they are always the exact same thing as everyone alreayd has a pretty good FOB level. The weapons also are all mostly useless
>>331384698
>grind is inherently bad
You have reasons to keep playing the game after the story and the resources you collect are viable well into endgame. Much better than most open world games where a reason to do anything basically disappears in a few hours once the story's done. And the grind is not only changing with each new development but is a polished TPS compared to an mmo
I have not played all the MGS so i ll stay apart from the story section.
But jesus, the gameplay is phenomenal and varied, you have the blast of your life until you get the fucking tranq sniper which turn the game into baby mode. Okay fair enough, I tried different loadout... Rocket punch is just as ridiculous but you still have options to make it harder for yourself with your loadout. Still, you tank damage like no tomorrow without the need of the defense suit. No hard mode only reflex mode off. I wish you will actually be a fucking walking kleenex with the one-shot to arm = broken limp, one in the head and youre dead. Why does it apply to enemies but not you ? Once you learn the enemy saw distance its even more ridiculous to sneak around in plain sight.
But really, if they applied a realistic mode where the MC is squishy as fuck it would actually make the stealth portion even better.
I so fucking wish we could actually see the russian fight some rebels et you just happen to stumble in the middle of it. Great game and gameplay versatility broken by not enough challenge at some point.
>what a mess we made
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rfn4UBmhfAM
>>331384983
t. seething casual
>tfw the trailers and music will always be better than the actual game
>tfw whenever I listen and watch I just think about what could have been
goddammit
>>331384679
Oh yeah, that one thing. We knew big boss wasn't big boss. I'm talking about everything else, like skull face and vocal cord parasites.
The medic was a prime suspect but dismissed because it was uninteresting. So yeah, the game *surprised* us with "wow, I can't believe they actually did that retard idea we brushed aside".
>>331384768
Because budget determines scope. Obviously a game with over 80 million dollars poured into it is going to have better graphics and a larger open world than a game with 10 million dollars. If we're comparing apples to apples we're comparing games with similar budget, and in that case MGSV is worse
>>331385085
>Just playing as some random nobody who is the best soldier in the world just because he thinks he is.
Well, if you thought Venom was Big Boss, then you wouldn't have an issue with him taking down Sahelanthropus solo.
>>331384887
Its the most fluid shootan since quake 3
>>331385080
>implying anyone on /v/ will care about MGS6 now that Kojima has left the franchise
>we now have people who unironically think MGS4 isn't worthless garbage
>now
I've always liked MGS4.
Granted I got into the series with Legacy so I don't have the same context like the media hype or anything, but still.
I also really fucking hated PW and that only got worse the more I played it.
I have no doubts in my mind that my position on V will never change.
>>331385198
>>331385139
Is there a bigger bunch of melodramatic autists than Kojimadrones?
Yes, another Triple A is a dissapointment, get over it.
>>331385139
Fuck that trailer and that shitty song
>LE GOING NUCLEAR XD
Fucking kill yourself Koiima and your love for memes.
>>331385250
what the fuck is wrong with you
jesus, go play something like Max Payne 3, The New Order, The Darkness or Halo 5.
>>331376483
>Does anyone else notice how ocelot acts chill like miller and miller acts crazed like ocelot?
I honestly don't recall Ocelot going apeshit beyond MGS3, help me out here. Even in the Solid games he seemed pretty mellow.
Of course this is in comparison to an insomniac yandere sniper, a bara, crow loving muscle shaman, a masochistic cyborg ninja, a homicidal psychic burn victim, etc. Ocelot and Liquid really look tame in that light.
>>331385207
Which is why Skyrim is larger and has more life, depth, and variety to it than Mount and Blade: Warband, right?
Fuck off. Dumbfuck AAA-huffing sandnigger
>>331375526
>"you are a body double of big boss, do your job and become the demon". That makes the game cool as fuck in my eyes
Except you never become the demon. There's a mission where you're fucking saving war orphans under a hail of gunfire. There's a mission after that where you feel so bad about having to execute infected soldiers that you make their ashes into diamonds.
Venom wasn't the demon, Venom was the legend. Big Boss was the demon that recruited child soldiers.
>play game
>story was a dissapointment but had a blast
>get to see /v/ cry endlessly for almost a year
Is there a more perfect game?
>>331384430
>thinking something as stupidly cheesy as the fucking vocal cord parasites. It treats the concept of using them both as a metaphor and an actual thing in the writing is supposedly amazing. And that having the worst girl in the MGS saga is an outstanding achievement because she doesn't talk until she does and then you're supposed to feel empathy, which the writers felt themselves because they were too far up their own ass.
Pretty much this, the smaller problems aside, the plot went to shit as soon as Code Talker showed up.
>>331384882
sounds cool, the world always felt unequipped to deal with the player stomping on everything
>>331385417
Pls
>>331385129
No, its the exact same as a MMO you grind for weapons so you can grind for more stupid weapons, hell to even develop everything you have to triple grind, you need to either wait a inordinate amount of time to get the welfare money or cough up real world money to build more bases, then you need to grind for points and good soldiers and resources so you can upgrade your FOB then you grind so you can have upgrade your weapons.
The only reasons to even keep going after the story would be the tapes but they are given to you once you complete the game then you MAYBE collected the music tapes but you have no clue where they even are and there is the stupid animals who depend entirely on luck to catch.
So yeah grind is indeed bad since you grind for the sake of grinding
>>331385250
What the fuck
>>331385431
Ocelot was a sneaky bitch and a sadist to-boot.
In MGSV he's uh, cowboy friend.
Doesn't really line up with his past or future selves.
>>331384430
>The game's story goes to stupidly great lengths in order to foreshadow the twist as much as possible in varying degrees of amusement.
It's pretty funny. I started a new playthrough and in the damn prologue's ending Ocelot says "Don't take too long getting used to your new self"
>>331385449
>Skyrim
>depth
>>331368961
>Zero will become nothing, nothing will become zero, zero will become one, then one will become one hundred, which is one with two zeros next to it
>And get this, this guy's NAME is ZERO
>>331385530
nice rebuttal
>>331385523
You can also change parameters such as giving you low health, making it so that an alert is an instant failure even in free mode, change the permanent upgrades (which i'm glad because the faster sprint animation looks retarded, even more when carrying someone)
dlc wouldve fixed this game but konami wouldnt let it happen
>>331385342
fuck off ya cunt, let us congregate and express disappointment
>>331385417
>Max Payne 3: You Could Be Playing One Of The First Two Games Instead
>The New Order,
>Shoot these enemies for fifteen minutes so you can go to a warehouse to talk to some faggots for fifteen minutes! Then do this over! And over!
>The Darkness
I'll give you this one
>or Halo 5.
Okay, as someone who preordered Halo 5, I have the authority to tell you to fuck off right now.
>>331375965
This makes sense if you consider that Venom is the legend, Big Boss was the demon.
Those two were purposefully kept separate for a reason.
>>331385572
Yeah but the gameplay has more substance than whats basically a slightly more complex version of simon
>>331368961
>reviving a character to do 30 minutes of expositional dialogue and die for the 3rd time
>''Zero will become a hundred, and a hundred will become nothing, which will then become Zero and then nothing plus one hundred.''
>>331385762
they're all better than MGSV though
>>331385637
Read that post again. More carefully this time.
>>331385594
Ocelot is acting more like his true self, as Adam, than as the "Shalashaska" persona he became notorious for.
Likewise, Ocelot is a sadist, but he's no fool. He interrupts the interrogations because there's still things to gain and learn from keeping Huey and Quiet around. People mistake Ocelot's sadism for Volgin's. He'll gladly push the envelope, as evident by MGS1's torture scene and shit, but he knows when enough is enough and he has to call it quits if he wants to get his use out of his victim.
>>331385780
The point was showing us when did BB became a demon not how Venom became a legend.
>>331385637
Not being able to detect sarcasm is a symptom of autism.
>>331385864
Haha no
do a no tranquilizer sniper rifle and ddog playthrough and you will be ashamed of your words and deeds towards mgsv
>>331385864
I'll give you three minutes to explain, in detail, what makes Halo 5: Guardians a good game.
>>331385914
>The point was showing us when did BB became a demon not how Venom became a legend.
Pretty demonic to kidnap one of your most loyal soldiers and alter him to be yourself just so you can sneak off to do whatever.
>>331385594
Maybe because this is the only game where Ocelot is truly on your side.
>>331385960
good rebuttal
>>331385802
Are you really trying to tell me a shooter is some incredibly deep type of gameplay?
>>331386041
Tks
>>331385993
I never used either of those.me on the right
>>331385449
No, the point is that MGSV couldn't compete with RDR, GTA V, and Witcher in spite of the fact that their budgets are similar. Nowhere in my post did I mention Skyrim, nor did I mention anywhere that AAA = good. Stop making bullshit up
>>331386035
>>331385594
He's on your side but he isn't Ocelot, is the problem.
He's just Troy Baker, as himself.
It was probably because Troy is just so damn used to playing the same character over and over again that when he became tutorial man, he just decided he would be Tutorial man due to the sheer amount of dialogue he had to record.
>>331386056
Are you saying its not?
>>331385864
>comparing open world third person shooters with linear FPS
Are you all retarded?
>>331386016
Put simply, excellent map design, balance and movement systems that makes it one of the best console shooters ever made. I don't give a fuck about the story, which was all anyone ever complained about
>in detail
I honestly can't be bothered. You dislike the game and my post isn't going to change that
>>331366583
Yep. MGSV was extremely disappointing. Even coming from a hardcore MGS fan, this game was shit.Aside from the OST and trailers.
>>331385643
still makes me laugh
>>331386189
How is Ocelot in a friendly enviroment where he isn't trying to fuck everyone for his own agenda?
Volgin>Liquid>Sears>>>>>>Liquid Ocelot>>>Gene>The Patriots>>>>>>Paz>>Coldman/Zadornov>>>>>>Skullface
>>331386254
>Its the most fluid shootan since quake 3
this was the claim I was arguing against
We're talking about the gunplay, not the open world shit or the perspective (although the open world was objectively horrible in MGSV)
>>331386197
Yes I'm saying that pointing your rifle and clicking is really no better than a MMO, got a problem with that you nigger? Its fucking shitty because it dumbed down systems from previous MGS games in favor of putting more emphasis on the shotting and action part, for fuck sake they even gave us a slow mo to make it more easy
The game has made Kojimadrones bleed out of their anuses for 8 months already.
That's a GOTY just for that.
>>331384130
I like that comic save for the zanzibar labd rant in the middle, sounds like it was just making the events of mg2 completely obvious, when everyone knows what BB does after outer heaven anyway
Nice to see just a few more words and scenes would have been enough to actually connect the series together, damn shame about the actual game
>no head transplant
>no /nuclear/
>no murdering child soldiers
>>331386425
You cannot compare TPS and FPS gunplay.
>>331385202
This is exactly it. Nobody gives a fuck that you weren't Big Boss. We all expected it as soon as the whole "What about him?" "Lelel it's Kojima haha" shit started up.
What REALLY pissed everyone off was how poorly written Skull Face turned out to be and how Paramachines 2.0 caused the same bullshit that ruined any chance MGS4 had of being taken serious. Not only that, but they made sure to remind you that you didn't actually do MGS3 and the Cobras were just parasite bugs the whole time. It actively shit on everything that people loved about MGS and Kojima is probably jerking himself off with his divorce papers thinking about how avant garde and masterful this shit show of a story was.
>>331386365
Well, according to MGSV, he's just Troy Baker.
If the question is, "What is the normal Ocelot like?", We'll probably never know because he was still trying to keep tabs on you and keep you properly on track in MGSV. He was still not on your side, he was on Big Boss' side.
>>331385656
I know modding is limited in V, it's more like adding what the game already has and changing values around
Do you think it would be possible to make the CQC wall push the default forward throw? It's retarded that you can only throw guards into guards when there is a wall in that direction. Without that human shields are pointless, all you an do is let the guy go anyway.
>>331386556
you can and I did
Max Payne is third person anyway
>>331386545
>no head transplant
Why would there be?
>no murdering child soldiers
And you posted this as you listened to Linkin Park's latest single?
>>331386628
No, you can not do it.
The mechanics, gameplay and situations are way too different in both games to compare them.
And no, saying
>lol this is better
is not a valid comparison.
>>331386673
>Why would there be?
The doctor in the beginning bears an uncanny resemblance to an irl doctor that is researching head transplants.
>>331375526
This is obvious bait, no one in their right mind would have typed all this in a sincere manner. Literally Venom is a good guy who does nothing wrong.
>>331386545
>You will feel ashamed for your words and deeds
>She just drinks water through her skin
>>331386673
>And you posted this as you listened to Linkin Park's latest single?
Not him, but the fact that shooting even a single child soldier is a game-over is retarded.
Make it have consequences, sure, don't stop the fucking game because oh fuck a child died. This counts even if they shoot each other or get caught in an explosion, which happens constantly. It's a major functionality problem as well as a complete tonal cop-out.
>>331386790
That was just a coincidence, the model they used to make the medic just looks like that dude.
>>331386263
>excellent map design
343i would have to take out a federal loan in order to pay me to type such shill bullshit. Whatever they're paying you, you're getting ripped off.
>>331382034
>I disagree, once you have a supressed rifle the game is basically over
No, having a suppressed rifle means you're playing with a suppressed rifle. your line of thought is one step away from "I can just tranq everything! why not?!" which is a step away from using the chicken hat. There are many ways to play the game and there's nothing demanding such a mechanical way of playing where "this is the way that will be the least interesting for me so I'm going to do it". That's what you're saying suppressed rifle is so why would you use it?
>>331386831
It was worth it just to see the SJW tears, plus it kept them in check during the MGSV development.
That was an actual good move.
Besides, only SJWs would have words and deeds to be ashamed of, not that this is the first sexualized girl in MGS.
>>331386769
saying
>lol you can't
is not a valid argument
functionally, there's very little difference between them
the camera position just affects what you can see, and obviously for a game like MGSV you want to have a third person view since it's meant to be a stealth game
>>331386304
nude no, the OST sucks. Honestly I miss harry more than hayter
>>331386976
It was an utterly retarded twist. It doesn't help that Kojima kept teasing that a bunch of taboo shit would be going on and that Quiet was barely even a character
>>331387017
That's why I explained why you can't do it.
They are different genres, with different mechanics and different objectives.
Gunplay in FPS and TPS will never feel similar.
>>331385131
Fucking this, they made the best stealth simulator in the world only to throw it off at the most basic level because everybody is suppose to able to finish the game no matter how bad you are while still giving no option to better and veteran players.
Also no actual jungle part in Africa, goddamnfuckingit.
>>331386940
are you saying the graphics are bad?
I see nothing wrong in terms of actual layout there, just shit filtering and shadows
>>331386940
That's not the textured version, is it? There's numerous textures missing, right?
>>331386831
I still don't understand why peopel like this horsefaced cunt, the fact that she was fucking useless is even worse becuase unless you give her the best rifle that is only unlocked near the end because she will always make the first shot hit them in the helmet giving enough time to scream bloody murder and alert the whole country to your presence, DD with its wallhacks and D-Horse are much better at providing distractions
>>331386976
This. MGSV buttblasted the SJWs. As far as I'm concerned that game deserved GOTY just for that.
>>331387093
So what, MGS is full of utterly retarded twists and plot points.
>>331387102
it's entirely arbitrary
you could play MGS4 in first person and it felt more or less the same outside of the limited view
>>331386861
I know, i'm not that first anon who brought it up. I thought it was interesting when I first saw a thread about it a few months before release, but I didn't think Kojima could go that far.
>>331386263
It's amusing the lengths /v/ will go when they have to shit on a game, going as far as to say that Halo 5 has something close to some kind of level design.
The game totally changed once I realized you can have firefights up close without triggering alerts as long as you're careful with line of sight and timing. I love it because it lets you blend carnage and stealth seamlessly.
>>331382496
xenoblade isn't on the xbone
>>331366583
i'll be honest, i was expecting the end-all-be-all with mgsv.what i got was just the most mediocre thing i've ever played.
>>331387196
Ethnic Cleansing also buttblasted the SJWs, and that game was complete garbage. What's your point?
>>331387203
And how many of them had Kojima saying if he fucked up he would never be able to work on games?
>>331387203
There's retarded and then there's taking the cake
>mfw my biggest issue with MGSV was thatQuiet wasn't Chico
>>331387325
Everyone was, the trailers hyped everything to shit, if you put them all together you pretty much have almost all the cut scenes that were in the game
>>331387357
Oh wait, you are going to defend a franchise built upon ripping off absolutely everything? Be it a book that Kojima read while he was taking a shit, or whatever movie he saw that day?
>>331366583
>Volgin back for no fucking reason
Seriously what the fuck was up with that?
And getting that shitty Quiet character over Sniper Wolf.
Kojima should've stopped at 3.
>>331387358
>i actually believed this would happen
>i also believedit would be a complete game
>>331387545
I know, i feel le phantom pain from le cut contet omfg wtf :(
>>331387358
He probably changed it just because someone figured it out
>>331387498
I don't see what any of that has to do with his post
>>331387358
>joostfags will never admit they look similar
>>331387589
Didn't change the medic thing though
>>331387532
Are we going to pretend Sniper Wolf is a good character?
Or that MGS has some character that isn't a gigantic cliche in the first place?
>>331387589
farewell sausage will never not be funny
>>331386941
You're clearly supposed to play the game a certain way though, with the game heavily relying on the player to tranq and Fulton everyone.
Using infinite heaven and removing items, then playing through the story missions, you're basically fucked. As there are many key times, where you're meant to Fulton these soldiers, tranq these guys, ect. in order to beat the mission. The entire game was literally designed around the tranq pistol and Fulton system. Which is a shame. Even the demon points bullshit all points to the developers clearly not wanting the player to ever kill anyone, ever.
>>331387589
>Farewell sausage
This game was made for the use of POTTERY
EAT YOUR HEART OUT GEORGE LUCAS
>>331387545
>>331387532
I don't understand these people.
You make these threads daily, you ask the same questions over and over again, you shit on it, repeating the same points again and again.
For what?
MGSV is pure garbage, Kojima has always been a talentless hack and now you see it.
Why have you been in the anger phase for 8 months?
Why is this fanbase so autistic?
>>331387694
Fuck off joostfag. Quiet was a terrible character.
>hurr words that kill
>I can chill in this cell and listen to american music being blasted though lmao look at my butt pls
>>331387746
Once you get the worm hole you can go lethal and just knock guys down, but by then the game is over anyways
>>331387797
MGS 1-3 are masterful pieces of entertainment
>>331387851
So was Sniper Wolf.
>aww, le generic blonde femme fatale
Such depth, great writing Kojihack.
>>331387358
it was such a stupid theory but in the months leading up to release I was secretly hoping it would be true
I also hoped that Canavero was an actor and the story would feature head transplants in some way
I also hoped the removal of Kojima's name from the packaging and from his company logo in the elegia trailer was a reference to Zero's information control and the power of propaganda that the Patriots had. "Even our faces will be irrelevant".
I mean, I had fun. But it could've been so much more
>>331387498
>Oh wait, you are going to defend a franchise built upon ripping off absolutely everything?
no
>>331387940
Sniper Wolf wasn't in what was meant to be the last game in the series, and didn't have tons of years of potential thought behind her
>>331387932
>MGS 1-3 are masterful pieces of entertainment
They are all built upon ripping off movies and books, every single element, the tone, the characters..
All ripped off, and Kojima has never been subtle.
>watched Escape from LA, with the MC called Snake Plissken
>literally fucking calls Snake, Pliskin
>reads Moby Dick
>has characters literally called Ahab, Ishmael, and the main transport vehicle is called Pequod
Kojima is horrible at making reference, the subtelty is so lacking that it can practically be considered ripping off.
>>331366583
I just wish 70+% of the game didn't feel like filler.
>/v/ nailed the plot of the game by the time the first trailer was released
>Kojimbo felt depressed his tweest was seen through so easily
>/v/ continuously crafted even better stories through speculations, lore analysis and character breakdowns
>Kojimbo just kept getting more and more depressed that his shit can't even compare
I think he just lost the drive to really complete the game at some point, seeing how the internet kept on besting him at his own game.
>>331387746
>tranq and Fulton everyone
Useless once you start looking for s ranks. Most of your guys are from volunteers and fulton is better used on crates and armaments
>>331388024
>Sniper Wolf wasn't in what was meant to be the last game in the series
So?
>>331387532
I got pissed when I finshed making the SNiper Wolf costume,, I thought it would be a model swap and not a shitty color palette
>>331388158
Are you kidding?
Kojima is a hack, but the only ones who could write even worse stories are the fans, because in the end, they just write to please themselves.
They were all cringeworthy bullshit and they were trying too hard at being Kojima, which is something that MGS6 will suffer from.
>you can see like 80% of the story just by watching the trailers, context is the only thing missing
>the implied story of the trailers was more interesting than the actual story
Bravo Kojima
>>331387694
What is the end game for defending V with the hurr the series was always bad? I see this in any series that has shitty sequels.
Your doll is broken so you're breaking ours? Doesn't change the thing faggot
>>331388283
>they just write to please themselves.
isn't that why people make things in the first place? why bother investing your time into anything if you're not going to like it?
>>331388346
I'm not defending MGSV, i'm just saying that the plot of this franchise has been legitimately bad since the begining, the only thing now is that on top of being mad it's incomplete.
>>331388158
>posts a trailer with bb in a coma and kaz in the room, all while the viewer is in a pov shot and is addressed directly
>literally gives away the twist
>starts back tracking saying mgsv wasnt supposed to have a story
>even fabricates a whole phantom plot where skullface influences big boss through stupid trailers (see launch trailer)
fuck kojima
>>331387331
Even if it was mechanically garbage, it's a good game because it buttblasted the SJWs.
>>331387746
>tranq and Fulton everyone
>everyone
No. At the start the player naturally starts fultoning everyone but you can fulton far less if you just get high rank guys instead of a bunch of lows and once you get mod game you're fultoning way less.
>You're clearly supposed to play the game a certain way though
You could use that logic to say you're supposed to play lethal because there are a bunch of guns and you can get s ranks and still kill because it's open infiltration and you have an entire base supporting you.
Demon points take so long to accrue if you're just killing people. They're there to have a consequence for killing in excess and with the new refugee combat deployment you can go back to small horn snake from full demon mode which I did after stockpiling 7 nukes.
>>331388483
once you get *mid game
>>331388476
it wasn't mechanically garbage, fox engine is the best thing about the game.
>>331385594
But Ocelot's smirking every time he's torturing Huey. He's still Ocelot, just a more genuine and less cartoony one.
>>331388158
>>Kojimbo just kept getting more and more depressed that his shit can't even compare
lol is there proof of this
>>331388476
>good games are the ones that agree with MY social views
You're just as bad as SJWs.
>>331387286
I just want a fucking John Wick video game so bad.
Don't say Hotline: Miamiand DO NOT say Payday 2, even as a joke
>Thought base building was going to be huge and complex, being able to customize each strut to "Make it your own"
>Only thing you can customize is where to put the struts
>You have barely any reason to visit anything past the command platform
>>331388182
so none of those characters were given much forethought like quiet could have easily had
>>331388393
There's a difference.
Writers enjoy writing stories, the fans want to be entertained by the stories, they are not interested in writing.
When you write to please someone you are going to fuck it all up, in fact, that's what happened with MGS4.
Kojima didn't want to make it, and he started wanting to please the fans, so he tried explaining everything, so we ended up with Big Boss reviving a third time, and dying 30 minutes later, and with nanomachines having a Psycho Mantis-in-MGSV tier importance since they explain like half the plot holes left by previous entries.
>>331388105
Code names are almost always referential, in both fiction and reality.
How retarded are you?
>>331388724
a more mature sadist
>>331388178
No. You know how in ground zeroes you had to literally move bodies yourself so they wouldn't be found? And how you had to literally carry POWs to the chopper?
Now think about what you do in TPP...
>>331388630
Talking about Ethnic Cleansing, bruh. It's a real game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_fLfBZaDMw
>>331388751
what about Max Payne? I never played 3 but 2 is amazing. Easy to pirate.
>>331388765
>Setting stupid expectations and then have them not be met in the final product
What a fucking surprise.
>>331388734
The difference is I'm right. They're not.
>>331388913
oh my bad. I have an installer for ethnic cleansing but never used it.
>>331388802
Because i'm not talking about code names.
>Kojima reads Moby Dick
>makes a game about revenge and with characters losing limbs
>characters called Ishmael, Ahab and Pequod.
>''Revenge will fuck you up bud.''
He can't write, he can only take shit other people created and regurgitate it.
>>331388765
>trailer showed animals walking around Mother Base
>they're just in the zoo in the final game
>>331387026
I should clarify,the trailer's soundtracks.
>>331388724
Can we stop rationalizing?
Troy Baker should've done a van cleef impersonation instead of a Troy Baker impersonation.
The majority of responses is ocelot doesn't feel like ocelot. That's enough to say they fucked up and be right about it.
>>331366786
He's already in Portable Ops
>>331389047
So what?
It would be absolutely retarded having them around, and Kojima said back in 2013 that there would be a platform to store animals in.
>>331388476
I really should start making games just so I could pander to SJW's or retards like you, i'd make bank of you idiots.
Oh wait, nevermind, just like SJW's you don't actually buy games either.
I will never stop enjoying seeing assmad Kojimadrones.
>>331388318
the real problem is that the trailers are organized in a way to imply a much more complex story. The way he put certain images along with certain phrases was downright evil.
>Eli and someone who looks exactly like him are in the helicopter. Eli is almost certainly Liquid
>Les Enfants Terribles, Zero called it
>Eli's psyche is being repeated by Mantis or some shit, in the line, Venom is just talking about why he and Zero broke up
>Mammal pod appears in Mother Base
>Zero says that the world the boss envisioned shall become a reality
>he's actually talking about what happens in the other games, the mammal pod is only there to play a recording
Even the way the logo had the Metal Gear Solid V line fade out made it seem like there was some deeper meaning, along with the removal of Kojima's name from the box and the removal of the XOF symbol from Skullface's chopper
In the end, the story ended up being so direct and clearcut it was a downright shock they made Huey gain some character
>>331389141
It was shown. I was expecting it. It didn't need to be there, but they showed it then removed it. Same with DD originally being in Africa and you finding him by his dead mom. Now you just find him in the middle of Afghanistan.
>>331388765
I went full blown tistic imagining what could be. What we got was blue balls and bare bones to the extreme but I still love Mother Base. Consoles were the reason for the long ass struts so things didn't have to render all at once. The least they could have done for pc is render all the struts at max but they didn't even do that.
>>331367496
Same muh dude, playing it rn
>>331388765
>You are closing your eyes, you're floating on a cloud, imagining V with zero production time and budget spent on motherbase
>>331389248
Wait what?
Marketing makes a product look better than it actually is?
Is this legal?
>who is skull face
>"i was there all along haha and i am a completely new character not some shocking reveal"
>that works although i wonder how you were there and no one seen you but i guess that makes him very good, time to get ready for a fist fight on top of a flying metal gear flying at a very high speed while blowing shit up or something
>such lust and now i am dead
Didn't even mind the mask. Only really enjoyed Huey's arc, only arc that had some presence. The final level was weird too, the same tutorial you played. They could at least swap the perspective and do a bunch of time skips(so you wouldn't have to wait 5 minutes for Venom to crawl around) and maybe do something after Venom fucks off with Volgin. Would at least be different.
>>331389012
True. But you're just as obnoxious about it and that makes you just as faggoty.
>>331389297
So?
They are random changes.
There's a lot of shit missing that it's actually big, who cares about DD appearing elsewhere or animals having an actual platform for them?
>>331389238
nooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO FUCK YOU!!!!!
>>331389080
>The majority of responses is ocelot doesn't feel like ocelot
That's because this is the only game where Ocelot isn't inherently lying to you, and treats you like a good friend. You never see this side of Ocelot in the other games, and it's kind of fitting for it to be that way in the last one.
Another character people think doesn't act like himself is Kaz, but he's not as he was in PW because the situation fucked him up, as much as pretty much anyone else from PW who was still directly involved with B.B.'s bullshit.
I guess the real issue is showing this state of these characters in what's the last game of the franchise you'll make.
>>331373480
phantom pain
>>331389408
Because it shouldn't have been removed in the first place? Especially when they were already shown and removed for what seems to be absolutely no reason? Because maybe it would have added a slight amount of character to what was overall a dull and repetitive experience?
>>331389320
>it's a ''/v/ has no idea how much parts of a game cost'' post
I remember seeing people who unironically though they spent half of the game's budget on Joosten.
>>331383901
Venom is likely who is killed in Outer Heaven. Real big boss was in zanzabarland.
>>331389554
Why not?
They don't serve any purpose apart from showing something for a demo.
MGSV has cut content like Battle Gear that's actually big, but shit like that gets cut in games all the time.
>maybe it would have added a slight amount of character to what was overall a dull and repetitive experience
Oh yeah, seeing DD in Africa would have helped so much.
>>331389570
he had to get those blowjobs somehow
>>331389321
that's not the point, the point is that he deliberately cut the trailers to make the players believe certain things about the game's plot, and then chose not to follow up on them for no reason. His work was cut out for him and he took the hard way by making his story worse than it needed to be.
what kind of lame defense is this, anyway?
>>331386673
>Linkin Park comments as insults in 2016
When you come up with banter, bring new shit to the community. I'm not even that anon but sit the fuck down with that weak spiel you brought up.
>>331389570
What? I'm implying the game would've been significantly better off they cut motherbase entirely
>>331389617
>likely
It literally says ''Solid Snake kills Big Boss's phantom in Outer Heaven'' in the credit rolls, idiots.
>>331389671
I would have preferred him having some kind of bsackstory other than being random dogwolf found in middle of desert.
I would have preferred seeing animals I just captured walking around Mother Base to hearing about paw pads 50 times.
These cuts and changes were just entirely pointless.
They could have at least kept what they had shown. Battle Gear was never even shown to be usable in game, at least
>>331389304
>Consoles were the reason for the long ass struts so things didn't have to render all at once.
MGSV's absolute biggest flaw, without any doubt was the last gen console versions. They sold like shit and they did nothing but hold development back and diminish the final product.
>>331389462
>Because X
Dude, there's hundreds of routes you can take that are logical, especially with the power of rationalization
But only a few will be well received by fans. Most of us feel like ocelot is absent from V. It's a fuck up.
>>331389921
>backstory
What?
What kind of backstory is ''His mother got killed, you find him''?
What's the fucking point of that?
People are starting to complain for the sake of complaining.
>>331390020
It's something rather than fucking nothing.
>>331389987
>But only a few will be well received by fans
Kojima has never cared about how well received his games are among his fans.
>>331390098
I wish you were wrong, but that's really the grand explanation for all this
>>331390081
Which is close to nothing, why even give a fuck about that?
Are people also going to complain because Pequod isn't called Morpho like in the E3 2014 demo?
>>331390205
Because it was shown and changed for no reason, and the change we got was worse than what was shown. How is this hard for you to grasp?
>>331390192
But that's not a wrong way of working.
I'm not saying incomplete games are good, but pandering constantly to fans will make stories boring and predictable.
Not going to talk about MGSV because i'm pretty sure there were a lot of chapters planned.
I mean, you can see how the original plan was to have Skullface die early, and then Venom seeing him every now and then and slowly starting to think more like him.
>>331390294
It is hard because the change wouldn't have improved a thing.
It's something completely random.
The original russian interpreter side op was in the palace, and it was changed to an outpost.
Who cares?
Why even bother thinking about that?
>>331390337
Character consistency is pandering? By "well received" I thought you were talking about quality, not artistic expression
>b-b-but muh Kojima can't do staged demos
>b-b-but muh Kojima can't do trailers that make the game look better than it is
So, turns out Kojima is just yet another Triple A developer, why are people losing their shit?
Where you really so much of a drone that you though he was espeshul?
>>331390098
Raiden was made because of reception from fans. Same with 4
>>331390505
By well received I mean things the fans like.
The problem is that, seeing what MGS threads were before MGSV, people wanted a completely predictable and generic revenge storyline.
I don't want what I got, but I don't want what fans talked about either.
>>331390427
Because it was already there and they removed it for no reason and replaced it with nothing. Because they went out of their way to remove something for no conceivable reason. Because I think it would have been a nice little thing to add onto DD's minute character of being a dog.
>>331390630
Yeah, reception of female fans.
MGS2 is basically doing the opposite of what a sequel should be.
MGS4 not, that game is fanservice from start to finish.
>>331390543
>>b-b-but muh Kojima can't do trailers that make the game look better than it is
Yeah people walked into this one. 2 and 4 had fucking metal trailers
>>331390693
Well, DD's mother died in a desert instead of Africa.
There you go, MGSV is fixed.
>>331390767
>using metal and an adjective
>>/reddit/
>>331390737
>reception of female fans.
>believing that story when raiden was in absolutely none of the promotional material
>>331390820
No, DD materializes in the middle of the desert because you need to be introduced to a new buddy companion.
