I can't stand this bullshit any longer. I'm glad it's finally fucking over. Sakurai has been lying to us for YEARS now. He only adds characters based on his own personal interest (games he made, friends with developers from other games, advertising purposes) and is a complete xenophobic hack with a lack of appreciation and respect for Western studios (Rare with DKC, Retro with Metroid and DKCR, etc.)
He claims to be accommodating for a competitive scene he knows nothing about, then a small team of developers creates a MOD 10 times better than his own game (Project M) and then a SINGLE INDIE DEVELOPER makes a clone title 100 times better than his own game (Rivals of Aether).
The man is incompetent, delusional, only cares about his own interests and needs to go. This better be his last fucking Smash title.
>>320676513
Stay mad K Roolfag
>>320676513
You're wasting your time. This >>320676664 is the type of people you're talking to, shitposters who only want to see people get 'btfo'.
>>320676513
>tourneyfag
You don't matter. Only faggots give a fuck about competitive Smash. If you can't adapt to the new game, it's your own fucking fault. No one but you wants the game exactly the fucking same as before. Project M is autism incarnate and literally no one has heard of Rivals of Aether. If anyone had you wouldn't have had to mention it in the first place.
tl;dr
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_JcM45gaFs
>>320676513
Lmao RoA shills will never stop trying.
>>320676759
>not having autism on 4chan is now considered shitposting
What if we pool our money and pay the Yakuza to "remove" him?
>>320676513
>Other M fag
Holy shit, you expect us to take you seriously?
>>320676962
Hi OP.
Crocodile tears, so salty.
>>320676513
>Rivals of Aether
>Project Meme
>>320676869
There's literally no other reason for why Brawl and Sm4sh's gameplay ended up the way it did other than Sakurai being a biased retard who removes features that he feels make the game "unplayable" for newcomers, regardless of whether or not it's actually true.
So apparently, they matter enough for Sakurai to gimp the gameplay over.
>>320680518
>PM allows you to change your beam's properties between plasma and ice with Samus' sideTaunt
>Sm4sh makes it so ZSS has hooker heels and Samus is bottom tier garbage even though she's supposed to be weaker outside her suit.
This fact alone makes PM miles better than Sm4sh IMHO.
>>320676513
Than stop playing Smash all together and that'll make you feel better.
Otherwise don't see a Smash game made without Sakurai. He's already made For Glory for competitive types, but I don't see him making Melee 2.0 due to his strong disdain for Melee. Melee itself was a good game but damn can't stand its competitive scene, they're the embodiment of video game dorks.
>>320680642
smash
>scream and yell and DEMAND that saki boy changes features to appeal to a minor demographic
any other game
>you want to pander to WOMAN? how DARE you modify my games to pander to a minority
>>320676869
>No one but you wants the game exactly the fucking same as before.
So what is Sm4sh and Brawl?
>>320681967
>Design team implies that their potential market can't handle deep game design
>implying deep games don't have greater replayability than minimalist games
Meanwhile, Battlefront is bottoming out its player numbers.
>>320682472
>the exception makes the rule
and if you wanna go with singular examples, well, flappy bird.
>>320681967
I'm pretty sure most of the complaints stem from Sakurai changing/removing shit for stupid reasons.
Like, did Wii U's classic mode really need to be 8-player clusterfuck?
Did we really need to remove adventure mode?
Did we really need smash tour to be a thing?
>>320682650
>Battlefront
>Titan Fall
>Battlefield
Fucking A, even CoD is starting to lose players.
>>320682809
the newer battlefield is more complex then the older one, and titanfall had no precedessor to compare with. so then ill counter legit answer: fruit ninja.
>>320683228
You do realize that mobile games and console games are two completely different animals right?
Let me counter with another point: Assassins Creed: Unity.
>>320683228
sorry, forgot what side i was devils advocating
>>320683529
why, because you said so? one of the best selling games on earth, got these sales from the CONSOL versions, the simplest version of the game. minecraft.
So a new Nintendo Director makes Smash 5...
They add tripping back, only this time it's not just running but doing any action can fail with some sort of wacky mishap resulting, like Mario's fireball exploding in his face! The humor level skyrockets, the audience is back and makes smash 64-levels of random noises beyond mere cheering for one player. The cpu has 5 different taunts and uses them liberally to express anger, happiness, smugness and confusion. The stage hazards are super random and include a random fly-by of birds or even a meteor crashing onto the stage, rainstorms, earthquakes, alien invasions, air bombings, random enemy appearances...
That'd be so hilarious. Perfect smash described right there.
>>320683638
>why, because you said so?
No, because comparing a phone app that's designed to be played for maybe 10 minutes at a time to a console game being sold at $45-$60 that features actual gameplay is beyond retarded.
It'd be like me taking that card game from FFVIII and comparing it to a YGO game that was released or some shit.
Anyways, I counter your point with two more: Metroid: Other M and Paper Mario: Sticker Star.
>>320685001
whats that got to do with the fact that people prefer it?
>>320685001
oh and that mario game where you just hit jump, and counterstrike go
>>320685342
Prefer what?
Console Minecraft?
You realize that we live in a society where people are dumb enough to pay money for ROMs on VC when there's emulators that allow you to play most console games for free on your PC or phone right?
If you took the average console kiddie and introduced him to minecraft with mods, his fucking head would explode and his testicles would enlarge to the size of misshapen grapefruit.
It's just that people don't realize what they're missing and PCucks are elitist who shit on consoles while willingly paying money for steam sales.
>>320685420
Are you talking about a mobile game or something?
I mean, even in shit like NSMB you can do more besides jumping.
>>320676513
100% agree with you
twichfags and other shills can suck it up
>>320676513
it's his game. He can do whatever he wants.
>>320685606
>you realize
you realize its a party game? designed for a bunch of people to all come together and have fun immediately? anyways, the original argument was actually its silly for the minority to determine the majority rule, and how /v/ is hypocritical on this stance.
why should saki boy change a party game for the few people who play it competitively? secondly, even if it WAS a good idea, what obligation does saki boy have to do anything you want him to?
>>320685691
i dont remember. it was just purely click jump tho. mario or wario just auto ran
>>320684242
I'd be down with that. Just accept that you can't compete with melee from a pure gameplay quality perspective and give up. Make the Mario Party of platform fighters. Yeah its stupid bullshit, but its still fun as fuck. Character balance doesn't matter nearly as much, autists won't constantly be arguing about which is more deep, you can add all the random tripping type shit you want and no one really minds.
As much as I like melee, that's really what a Nintendo crossover fighting game should be.
>>320686417
But they did change it for the competitive players, it was just against them rather than for them.
Casuals don't even know wavedashing and L-cancels exist, I didn't when I was playing Melee and thought Roy was the best character because his sword had fire. The skill floor hasn't changed, they're just lowering the ceiling, which casuals never approach anyway.
>>320686417
I can accept that it's a "party game," as defined by Sakurai.
I can accept that some fighters got cut from the game because of some shit that happened behind the scenes.
Hell, I can even understand why sm4sh has two versions.
But what I can't accept is the argument that Sakurai shouldn't change his games based on tournyfags when a lot of the changes between Melee and Brawl were caused by Sakurai's own personal bias against tournyfags.
If Sakurai had kept the game unchanged from Melee to Brawl but removed the glitches, balanced the roster, and added a few more stages then it'd have been perfect.
But no, let's waste a year of dev time on a shitty stage that nobody plays on (>>320685769) and let's remove adventure mode because a few people put the cutscenes on fucking youtube.
At this point, what could tournyfags really do to the series that Sakurai hasn't already done?
>>320682650
>>320683228
Mobile games are a unique market which are fucking *mobile*. Flappy Bird was a literally free game. The version of Fruit Ninja with actual downloads is also free.
>>320683638
Minecraft on console isn't some completely reduced experience. The core gameplay is there -- and per the topic of competitiveness a la PvP, exactly the same.
>>320686417
>>pic
Also, the original point remains. The best games are the deepest games, because playing the exact gameplay of similar titles becomes boring. Ass Creed, CoD, and other repetitive franchises sell less per.
>>320687209
>and let's remove adventure mode because a few people put the cutscenes on fucking youtube.
Honestly, that whole videos thing was probably an excuse. This was the first time they had to make two versions of Smash at once. They probably just didn't have the amount of time, to make something like Subspace Emissary again for both systems, and also decided to use the CGI budget on newcomer trailers instead.
>>320687545
I thought the whole point of an excuse was to say something that's less bad than the actual reason.
I could accept if two versions was the reason why sm4sh doesn't have adventure mode but then I ask, why did we need two versions in the first place?
I tell ya man, sm4sh is such a clusterfuck in design choices, it honestly makes me wish I could look into Sakurai's mind just to see how he justifies it all.
>>320687196
...thats the point. he focused on the primary audience. casuals. after all, party game...
>>320687209
>But what I can't accept is the argument that Sakurai shouldn't change his games based on tournyfags when a lot of the changes between Melee and Brawl were caused by Sakurai's own personal bias against tournyfags.
....what. the argument is that he can change it based on whatever he feels like. he could add a large, spinning banner on the main screen that says "comp players are literally virgins". and........deal with it.
how can one argue that a game developer can make his game as slutty as he wants, or have no black characters in it, because its HIS game, then turn around and ask HOW CAN HE KEEP DOING THIS. its hypocritical.
and i agree, removing the cutscenes is completely laughable and hilarious dumb. remind me again why i get to dictate what he does?
>>320687417
>The best games are the deepest games
absolutely. never said otherwise. what we were talking about was what sells. guess what had the highest box office last year. american sniper. dosent mean im saying that movie was good, bruh.
Guys, I just found in YT a mod to make Sm4sh good!
https://youtu.be/c5Mzd9NgRKo
>>320687209
A lot of changes from Melee to Brawl were to cater to the Wii Sports audience as Iwata requested because that was the main demographic of the console. Tourneyfags were considered as an irrelevant demographic. He didn't make the game specifically to spite them. The melee scene was fucking tiny in Japan and Sakurai doesn't give a flying shit about overseas.
>>320687729
>I could accept if two versions was the reason why sm4sh doesn't have adventure mode but then I ask, why did we need two versions in the first place?
Cause the 3DS was originally not selling so well when Smash 4 was announced. It was help salvage sales for both systems. Also people have demanded a handheld Smash since the DS has been out, and the 3DS hardware has finally allowed them to do so. Also Japan is more int handhelds, as opposed to consoles, so again from a business perspective.
The 3DS version has ultimately sold a lot more then the Wii U version, so they did profit from making a handheld and console version.
>>320676513
>complete xenophobic hack
Well I found this funny since Sakurai literally said that he was surprised that a black guy plays Smash Bros (yes, it was literally) shortly after Brawl was announced
Anyway I kinda agree and isn't because I'm salty, one of my votes was Wonder Red but Bayonetta its pretty great
>>320687745
>how can one argue that a game developer can make his game as slutty as he wants, or have no black characters in it, because its HIS game, then turn around and ask HOW CAN HE KEEP DOING THIS. its hypocritical.
What does this have to do with anything?
We're not in a censorship thread mate, keep the political shit on /pol/ where it belongs.
Anyways, I'm not saying that we should hold the man down and force him into making a good game or something, I'm just saying that if you're going to argue he shouldn't listen to the minority then you should acknowledge that most of the decisions that he has made since Brawl has been made specifically to spite the minority..
>>320687745
>thats the point. he focused on the primary audience. casuals
No he didn't
Focusing on casuals would have been "what do casuals like? Lets add more of that." We probably would get more stuff like pokeballs and the hammer and huge stages like melee hyrule, at least that's what I remember liking when I was 14.
Instead the thought process was "how do we bring the competitive players down to the casuals' level"
>>320687949
If that was true then why add tripping?
Why change air dodges so that they were spammable instead of being one-use with directional control?
Why remove perfect landing when it has been there from the beginning and most players were unaffected by its presence in the first place?
I mean, if he truly wanted the game to be a legit party game then all he had to do was remove the glitches and add more characters and stages.
He didn't have to gut the physics and ax the depth in the process.
SMASH 5 DEVELOPMENT STUDIO DREAM TEAM
COME ONE, COME ALL
DIRECTOR:
COMPOSER
PRODUCER:
COMPANY:
NEW CHARACTERS:
Call up Dan Fornace. Rivals of Aether may suffer from a small development team and lack of originality, but the design choices Dan made in regards to making a competitive platform fighter are 10/10.
>>320687990
>Cause the 3DS was originally not selling so well when Smash 4 was announced.
Are you legit fucking retarded?
If anything, the Wii U was the one badly in need of some fucking sales at the time, 3DS was raking in the money since it actually had games worth buying.
>>320686417
>you realize its a party game?
No. Nintendo itself said that smash is a competitive action game. Said so right there in the last smash direct.
You are wrong.
>>320676513
>waaah sakurai isn't following my headcanon reasons to why a character should be in smash
>>320688927
Smash 3DS was announced in 2011. 3DS sales were bad during the initial launch till Mario Kart 7 and 3D Land were rushed out, which was when it really started to sell well.
>>320688815
This is how I feel, but I don't think it's to spite tourneyfags.
I think some people who were starting Brawl during testing were just waaay too good for the newbies and stomped them every time.
A lot of newbies don't want to fight, they don't want to use fundamentals. They want to spam their B button attacks because they're flashy and special. So the people who understand basic fighting techniques wipe the floor with them every time.
To the point where it was embarrassing the newcomers and he had to do something. Hence shit like tripping, spammable dodges, most of the stages being gimmicky bullshit. It wasn't about the tournamentfags, it was about making everyone have an equal chance of winning no matter their skill level.
It's still shitty, but I can see the reason if it's on a casual console for morons.
This guy was the worst possible choice as smash director hopefully he dies and they're forced to put someone else in charge
We'll still probably get 10 weebshit characters and wii fit trainer/dark pit shit anyway
>>320689134
First off, the first reveal trailer came out 2 years ago.
Second off, the 3DS picked up on sales around the time that FE:A came out.
Third, Wii U's sales have been in the toilet ever since it came out. Even today, Wii U's sales aren't anything special in comparison to the Xbone/PS4 and even in comparison to 3DS.
The reason it has two versions is more due to the Wii U, not because of the 3DS.
>>320689308
Again, why not just keep the game largely the same as Melee but just decide to say "fuck it" and go insane instead?
It's not like a newbie would've had an easier time considering shit like MK (Brawl) and Sheik/ZSS (Sm4sh) exists.
>>320689506
>First off, the first reveal trailer came out 2 years ago.
Yes but I was referring to the very first initial announcement which was announced in 2011 initially for both versions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBt1M4BjlpY
>>320689506
>Second off, the 3DS picked up on sales around the time that FE:A came out.
Yes. That is true. The 3DS did pick up sales as time went on.
>>320689506
>The reason it has two versions is more due to the Wii U, not because of the 3DS.
I can concede to this. Either way, both versions were made due to a business point of view from their perspective.
>>320688815
Tripping adds another random element to the game so even that bad player may get a hit in sometimes. It just didn't work well.
Let's be honest, if he really wanted to spite tourneyfags he would remove the option to turn off items. I don't think casualfags would give a shit if he did that.
And to remove mechanics he would have to add them in the first place. The game was using a new engine. Less mechanics makes it easier and faster to develop, and as you know the game was already delayed once. Since tourneyfags weren't considered as a demographic for the game there was no need to add some of the more complex mechanics from previous games.
>>320689692
>It's not like a newbie would've had an easier time considering shit like MK (Brawl) and Sheik/ZSS (Sm4sh) exists.
They wouldn't have had an easier time, but winning is more up to luck than to skill. It makes them feel they're doing something when they're really doing nothing.
Picture a stage like battlefield. It's easy to picture someone who has no clue what they're doing get perfect'd by someone who even knows the difference between fair and uair.
Now picture Rainbow Cruise or 75M. It's really easy to just die for almost no reason or because you decided to trip just as that one section you're standing on becomes hazardous. Newbies would die too, but at least they wouldn't get 4-stocked.
I think that's the logic behind it: Melee physics and gameplay were extremely fair, but also made shitty newbies feel bad. Since the wii was going to be this all-inclusive console, the change was meant to facilitate the people who never played in their lives.
>>320688642
yeah, cant possibly be "what elements do casuals not like, or not need".
>>320688979
>nintendos advertising department
>vs saki boys own, personal words
yeahhhhhhhhh im gonna have to like, disregard you.
but hey, toyotas marketing department says its the BEST VALUE for money. so wheres your toyota
>>320690183
Sakurai himself said so in the direct. On the first and last Nintendo Direct dedicated to Smash.
Once again, you are 100% wrong.
>>320688819
Director:Hideki Kamiya
Composer: Same as Smash 4, I would add Nobuo Uematsu again and Koichi Sugiyama
Company: Nintendo, Bandai Namco, Sega, Square Enix, Konami
New characters: Wonder Red, Chocobo or Slime, RH rep, Inklings, Bomberman andVenom Snake
>>320690318
citation needed
>>320690471
Just watch the fucking direct.
How come you talk like you know anything about smash and you didn't even see such important direct?
>>320687745
>>The best games are the deepest games
>absolutely.
Well, the trend is that better games sell.. if the sales aren't just from previous quality. CoD was a decent game around 4. Further games were purchased with the idea that the quality stayed the same but was also fixed where the it was lesser.
The only listed counter examples to deeper games having more playability or sales are free, mobile games.
>>320688979
"competitive action" obviously meant competing for items to throw at eachother
notice he didn't say "competitive fighting"
Stay mad Wolfbabby. Sakurai should direct every Smash game. He's a beautiful goddamn madman. He put in yet another Fire Emblem character that I had no idea I even wanted in the game until I saw the trailer for them.
Most importantly, he managed to get Mega Man, Sonic, Ryu, Cloud, and Bayonetta all in the game. Cloud wasn't even part of the ballot and was just something extra special he reached out to get. Bayonetta was and holy shit you can really tell the character is implemented with a lot of love from Sakurai and Kamiya.
Smash 4 has been one hell of a ride, and I'm going to keep playing this game for fucking years. It's easily one of the best of all time.
Bayonetta was the #1 character I wanted in Smash ever since Bayo 2 was announced in 2012. She was also my ballot vote, and I got exactly what I wanted.
>>320690557
just read the latest interview, nigga. anyways, he changed his mind after the fact. who you gonna believe, greedo shot first?
>>320676513
Don't you have a mod to weep about faggot? How about you stop making shitpost bait and play your C&D'd mod you nigger.
>>320690848
but the game isnt even fun to play
>>320691146
I'm having fun. Tons of other people are having fun. Why aren't you?
>>320688819
Director: Chris Sutherland
Composer: Grant Kirkope
Producer: Steve Mayles
New Characters: Banjo Kazooie
I want it to be one big Rare meetup filled with shitty british humor.
>>320676513
>he didn't add my character!
People voted for Bayonetta, others didn't make sense. Get over it.
>Sm4sh isn't competitive!
It's a family-friendly couch party game. If you don't like it find another game or stick to Melee.
>only cares about himself!
He wanted to stop after Melee but Nintendo keeps dragging him back because he can make games into shekels.
>>320676513
You're right but you're just gonna get shitposters screaming LE BTFO LE BTFO XDXD SALT
Just try to enjoy Bayonetta until Smash 5 comes out and don't buy Corrin.
>>320690848
>I got what I want!!! Hahah!
if license wasn't a issue it would be ogre.
>sakurai knows all of the ins and outs of smash at this point
>he leaves
>new director doesn't know shit
>smash is worst
>>320690848
content doesn't matter when the gameplay isn't good
>>320691505
I think brawl and br4wl show that sakurai knows nothing about smash
I want the Mario Kart 8 director to make the next Smash so I can finally play as Mercedez Benz in Smash Bros. He's probably the most likely candidate for the role anyways.
>>320676513
This pasta is so much more delicious now that Project Meme is dead and buried. The butthurt feels so real.
>>320691198
Because it's constant neutral game campy slow bullshit with rubber banding
>>320691579
Good thing Melee has both the best content and best game play. Best graphics, too. No shitty NSMB sterile shit.
The only change that needs to happen to placate both sides is adding back in the momentum mechanic and a proper classic mode.
>>320676513
He should be able to make the game however he damn wants. It's his game, not yours.
>>320691698
>rubber-banding
What.
this bangs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SESLxwZ7b30
/v/'s hypocrisy around Smash never ceases to amaze me.
/v/ hates when a developer simplifies gameplay
Expect when Sakurai does it.
/v/ loves mods for games.
Except for Project M.
/v/ hates when a developer goes against the wishes of their fans.
Except when Sakurai does it
/v/ is okay when people say an older game in a series is better than a new one
Except when someone says Melee is better than Brawl or Smash 4.
>>320691198
I can't have fun when approaching my opponent isn't safe
how are you all so fucking pathetic? it's incredible how you manage to be such childish idiots. if you're not getting baited, you are baiting. Christ.
>>320691889
man its almost as if thousands of people browse this board.
>>320691889
/v/ is not one person, Meleebabby.
Else we could say that /v/ hates esports BUT IT'S OKAY IF MELEE DOES IT!
>>320676513
Is Rivals of Aether really all that?
I heard there were balance issues, Alpharad certainly isn't fond of Kragg, and it doesn't seem like it's that far in development at all. On the game's Steam forum I saw a thread where someone basically told the OP not to bother with matchmaking since it's dead and just to find players to play with on your own.
>>320691889
It's in line with /v/'s overall stance on anything though, which is "I don't care about video games if it means I can shitpost and see people get mad". Video games are just a means to an end for shitposting/
>>320691889
>/v/ hates when a developer simplifies gameplay
Unless you're Halo, then they hate you for making the game deeper
>>320691889
this board is garbage
>>320691789
Maybe rubber banding isnt the best term but:
Stale hits have a more pronounced effect than in previous entries and in the 2 stock 1v1 format if you can secure the first kill without entering 1hko % then the game completely swings in your favor because now your opponent who has one stock has to kill you not only twice, but you're going to accrue a fat rage buff while also having a spare stock
and here's where you say but then you just don't let them get rage hits on you and you play the turtle campy shit and it all goes back to no fun gameplay
>>320691889
>People keep fucking screaming Hackurai since fucking Brawl
>A good number of people don't really give a shit or can just look past them
>WOW YOU GUYS ARE FUCKING HYPOCRITES IT'S OKAY IF SMASH DOES IT
>>320692559
Maybe you should learn what words mean and not put words in my mouth when I was asking what the fuck you were talking about you absolute penis.
>>320692139
Its not bad but I don't think its worth buying yet. Maybe once its more finished, but for now its just a way simpler kinda ugly unfinished gimmicky 2d melee with no players.
It has potential, but isn't there yet.
>>320691889
Help me, these people are retarded and I can't leave.
I also don't know if /v/'s definition of autism is a good thing of a bad thing. Putting time into a game and caring about anything is autistic according to /v/, but being obsessed with waddle dee is also considered both actual autistic and /v/ autistic.
I agree on your points except for the third one. Fans generally don't know what the fuck they want, most of them are idiots who want everything. Except in the case of Smash Bros. You can't do much worse than Brawl and Sakurai himself in that regard. Project M was the opposite of fans fucking things up. It turned what was the worst SSB game by a significant margin and turned it into arguably the best one.
>>320692720
Maybe you shouldn't play shitty games and people won't have to explain why they're shitty to you
>>320692806
Maybe you shouldn't project since I haven't played Sm4sh since Lucas dropped you chode tickler. Not everyone who thinks you're a retard plays Sm4sh.
>>320692937
Calm down nerd it's just a shitty video game
>>320692978
If it's "just a shitty video game" why do you care that people you don't know play it when you still have Melee? Do you lose your shit when people go see Alvin & The Chipmunks?
>mfw Tr4shmen say that Smash is a party game
It's a fighting game, though the only one that matters is one. Even then, everyone at parties I go to prefer Melee.
>b-but 8-player Smash!!!
Top Kek, why does that matter when my parties get 4 people for some 2v2 practice?
>b-but the roster and MUH GRAFIX
Don't matter when we already got the best characters since Melee, and Melee's graphics have charm. And if the graphics are so good, how come they can't handle Ice Climbers or panty shots?
>>320693974
>And if the graphics are so good, how come they can't handle Ice Climbers or panty shots?
Ice Climbers are gone because of the 3DS version.
>>320676513
It's just a game
>>320694126
And they couldn't add them into Tr4sh for Pii U because...? Did Kuckurai get booty bothered over getting wobbled? Wouldn't be surprising because he made Brawl 1 and Brawl 2 just so he could hope to be good at the game.
>>320691889
>/v/'s hypocrisy around Smash never ceases to amaze me.
>/v/ hates when a developer simplifies gameplay
>Expect when Sakurai does it.
Smash started simple and continues that way because that's what makes it approachable. The only character who gets motion command shit is the character who put them on the map.
>/v/ loves mods for games.
>Except for Project M.
>/v/ hates when a developer goes against the wishes of their fans.
>Except when Sakurai does it
These kind of go hand in hand. The problem with Smash is that everyone has their own idea of what would best fit to represent Nintendo's history. Some of us grew up with the NES. Some of us grew up with the SNES. Some of us were Asian or had weeb folks and casually fucked with imports.Of course the N64 age was a very common territory for modern Nintendo fandom, especially since RARE practically carried the system.
See, you have people who have a different idea of what Nintendo was to them and they want to include characters from the shit they grew up with to be in Smash. The N64/RARE generation have it pretty hard in this case because it almost seems like Nintendo's trying to wash its hands of those days if anything, so they're pleading them to reconsider any bad blood between them.
What's worse is that Sakurai easily opened the floor to 3rd party characters to Smash and that invited some mighty entitled fucks to invited whomever the fuck they want just by merit alone because as long as it had a videogame, who cares, right? Those so called fans threw everything including the kitchen sink in Sakurai's direction. A lot of those "fans" had pretty unreasonable demands like John Cena, Jotaro Kujo and Goku.
>/v/ is okay when people say an older game in a series is better than a new one
>Except when someone says Melee is better than Brawl or Smash 4.
Melee was rushed and had some oversights. Wasn't a bad game, but most of those claiming its superiority based that on its pacing and exploits.
They need to just release Melee HD already with online and maybe a couple new characters.
I don't really care how Smash 5 turns out because there's a 99% I will be disappointed.
Just give us meleefags more melee. Is that so hard?
>>320694324
Nintendo promised both versions would have the same roster. The 3DS hardware could not handle them, so they had to be gone for the Wii U version as well.
>>320694194
>It's just a game
Only Tr4shmen say this when they have no argument as to why their game is good and get ass blasted over getting bodied by the true fans.
>complaining about "xenophobia"
What, would you be happy if an American dev made major design decisions based on the whims of the Chinese like Hollywood does?
>>320694324
It's a bullshit reason but Sakurai didn't want one version to have more characters than the other.
Personally I'd rather the 3DS version didn't exist at all, and all the stages were crammed into the Wii U version. Might've made the name less retarded too, Smash Universe was way too good of an opportunity to pass up yet the 3DS version fucked any chances of that.
>>320694448
>true fans.
No one who has uttered this phrase in seriousness has ever not been full of shit.
>>320694432
As soon as they found out they couldn't add IC they should have dropped 3DS Tr4sh. In fact, they should have dropped Tr4sh altogether, because Kuckarai is so lazy and whiny and never made a good game, so why even try? Nintendo also promised a good game, but they haven't lived up to that promise since Melee, their only good game.
>>320694674
This is the part where you need to explain why what you claim is true
>>320676513
Smash 4 is a good game. It's not 10/10 GOTY, though. If it had Melee's gameplay with the new ledge mechanics, it would be the best ever.
>>320694553
Universe isn't a synonym for "fight" and those subtitles are a Western thing only. You had DX and X for Melee and Brawl. It's more likely they universalized the name a bit more, and that the lack of Smash 3DS would not change that.
>>320694674
>Tr4sh is good
>Smash is a party game
>Melee is for autists
>Kuckarai is a good developer
Same to you, flam. The true fans are Melee purists. Even my wife's son is more of a true fan than you.
>>320694943
Ledge trumping is lame though.
>>320695115
Edge hogging is even lamer. It's a good idea that needs tweaking.
>Project Meme
The only faggots gayer than rosterfags. I'm glad your overblown mod is fucking dead and the developers' livelihoods threatened.
>>320695202
I can agree with this. I think if it sent you at a different angle it would be better
>mfw there are people that think work on Corrin and Bayonetta didn't start at least 5 months ago
>ITT: Tr4shmen who spite the true best game ever enough to pretend Undertale is even remotely deserving of the title
>>320676513
Eh. I don't mind if it's Japanese characters only. I see it as a safe bufferzone.
>>320694432
Nintendo didn't promise shit. Sakurai said he "wanted both version to be the same" and then proceed to make 8player clusterfuck and Smash Bour, while giving the 3DS version a decent Classic Mode and the great Smash Run.
Who cares. If you want to play competitive Smash, play Melee. It's not like the existence of Sm4sh invalidates the competitive Melee scene. Fucking whiners.
>tfw there is at least one universe out there where Smash4 wasn't shit and the ballot actually mattered
>tfw it wasn't this one
>>320695892
The ballot did matter. Just because it wasn't your choice doesn't mean they cheated.
>>320696045
>He doesn't realize they started working on Bayo well before the ballot ended
You're kidding, right?
>>320696045
The new FE rep is fucked up though. How do you justify that as legitimate?
>>320696182
The votes likely flooded in after the first few days. They had a good idea of who was popular. I seen a lot of strawpolls and I've seen Bayonetta was popular. Not as popular as K Rool or Ridley, but still.
>>320696045
Who said anything about cheating?
>>320696236
Corrin has absolutely nothing to do with the ballot. They explained this in the direct. Cloud and Bayo were directly the result of a shit ton of requests, with Bayo being from the ballot.
>>320696182
It's been more than 2 months since the ballot ended, and the character won't be ready for another 2 months.
>>320684242
>random Black Knight stage hazards will be a thing
NO STOP
DELETE THIS
>>320696640
That's only 4 months. And considering the shape Bayo was in for the Reveal, she was definitely worked on before the ballot ended.
>>320684242
Chance Time item that switches your percentage, stock, scores, etc. with the opponent! And it can't be turned off. Smash Tour is the main mode.
>>320696803
I doubt that unless she had a huge lead over the next feasible character in the poll.
Nobody knows how long it takes for them to make a character that's playable and how long they spent on testing after that. Sakurai has suggested that the latter takes a long time.
Why the fuck can you not make out who the audience is cheering anymore? It sounds the fucking same regardless of who they cheer and sounds more like a pack of moaning zombies.
>>320695697
3DS player here. Smash Run sucks balls. I played Smash 4 on Wii U and it's really nice to play on the gamepad compared to 3DS, and way better looking too. But I can't afford a Wii U so I've got what I've got.
But I never touch Smash Run. Maybe it'd be fun with other people, but I'll never know. It feels like five minutes of running around an overly chaotic subspace emissary level for no reason and then doing some random mini-event. It worked for Kirby Air Ride, but it feels so aimless here. But Kirby Air Ride had four simultaneous players in a 3D world with events like bosses while you hunted for better vehicles and broke boxes.
>>320676513
He has said many times he doesn't want the distance between new players and good players to be great
in other words he wants the gameplay to be shallow, he's a good director but smash needs a new developer one who will make the game both a good party game as well as a good fighting game
>>320697502
Get your hearing checked, mate.
>>320697379
Different anon here.
Considering they don't have a whole game to work on any more, they may have an easier time getting work done on the DLC characters.
I'm taking a wild guess there of course, but it seems like a reasonable line of thought.
>>320695207
You're trying to make people angry. It's not working. Project M was nothing but a labor of love and a remarkable improvement to the worst game in the SSB series, doing the impossible by transforming it into arguably the best SSB game. It's not our fault if you don't like SSB. You can trip all over vanilla Brawl until the end of time, nobody will stop you anon.
>>320697540
It's much better than Smash Tour. Trust me.
>>320698017
>arguably the best
Then why is it dead?
>>320698113
Yes, I know. But that doesn't make it worth anything. It's far from great.
>>320698137
Because it was too good for this world. And the kind of people autistic enough to undergo such an endeavor as making Project M are insufferable faggots with massive egos and little common sense or positive traits aside from what they're talented at.
>>320676513
I can't believe people still think that in this industry, Sakurai has the final say in what characters get in. It's a development TEAM. It's a bunch of ideas being thrown around until something sticks or Nintendo comes in and makes something stick.
>>320698307
>Too good for this world
Good riddance to janky garbage.
>>320676513
>waahhh, I want game developers to cater to my every whim even though consumers usually don't know what they want and ask for stupid shit
ishygddt
>>320676513
Guarantee the only people who disagree with this are Sakurai cock riders.
>Hire HAL to make smash 5
>Tell them to do to make melee 2 or even 64 2
A man can dream
>>320676513
Real talk all he needs is some compotent play testers so we don't end up with characters like Rosalina and Luma being able to decimate the entire cast not named Sheik because of Luma's retarded hurtbox and knockback.
>>320699647
Git gud.
>>320699845
But it's not just that anon. Marth could actually zone with competent playtesters rather than over half the cast being able to out zone him. Default Palutena might not exist. Dr. Mario's recovery might not be fucked. Yoshi's hitboxes could make sense. Think of the possibilities.
>>320676513
>He only adds characters based on his own personal interest
He might suck the Fire Emblem cock a little too hard, but you can't say he doesn't strive to give the people what they wanted when he adds newcomers like Little Mac, Villager, and Shulk to name a few, and that's not even going into all the third party dream additions.
I also hope this for a different reason.
Sakurai just doesn't seem to make healthy decisions for the game on both casual and competitive levels.
the way casual was handled in the early titles was much better. The items and stages helped define casual play. Now all the stages are really intrusive, and a single item can easily just win you the match from the start.
I could make a huge wall of text about all the other shitty things for both sides in the last two smashes.
I bet you dislike Snake
>>320682139
Epic
>>320676759
Stay mad and fap to your angry birds
>>320676513
>rivals of aether
Nigga, brawlhalla does a better job at being a smash clone, and that shits f2p
>>320702371
Pretty much this. Smash 4 isn't fun whether it's played casually or competitively.
>>320676513
>different director
I'm just happy that it's getting updates. Very few Nintendo games are privy to patches, seemingly as Nintendo want teams to move on asap
>>320703119
When you make shitty gimmicky hardware and piss off all 3rd parties, you have to make your own games for your console, so Nintendo has to get out as many games as possible, why do you think nintendos 2015 lineup had so many shitty spinoffs?
>>320703342
Okay?
>Sakurai sucks ass!
>Tr4sh!
>I'm sticking with Melee!
>>320703656
Holy hell
>>320698137
Because Meleefags are in fact the worst people and their own worst enemy. They complain that Sakurai doesn't cater to them, then completely ignore every fanmade attempt at a successor to Melee, and then sell out to the very people they complain about for not catering to them which caused PM to receive less and less support at tournaments and resulted in it fucking dying because of Meleefags.
>>320703656
Is twitter the biggest shithole place on the internet?
>>320676513
Sakurai is a mixed bag.
On the one hand, he consistently comes up with characters with unique and fun, distinct styles of play with gimmicks that I really feel like most people wouldn't be able to come up with.
On the other, elements of his design are genuinely questionable.
Honestly I feel like if Sakurai listened to the competitive side more and stopped trying to appeal to the casual side of Smash more, then Smash 5 would probably be a much better game than 4. You might as well since it's not like casuals are going to notice so long as the game still has fun, crazy gameplay if you play with four players on crazy stage with items turned on.
>I really hope Smash 5 is made by a different Director
Be careful what you wish for.
None of you faggots know how good you have it right now. The complaints about Smash 4 are minor compared to the devastation a new director could bring. Just look at Playstation All-stars (a game which supposedly had the competitive scene in mind from the get-go). Making a Smash game isn't something just anyone can do. PM is (was) a mod built off a pre-existing engine and unrealistically long dev cycles, and Rivals is a clone that's content-starved and blatantly imbalanced.
I have a lot of criticisms of Sakurai but the man is extremely dedicated, and managed to direct four high-quality crossover fighters. They each have their ups and downs but they weren't a disaster on the level of Sticker Star or Other M. A new director isn't just going to be a straight upgrade, it's going to be a sidegrade at best, and a severe downgrade at worst.
>defending furfag shit
>>320676513
God bless Sakurai, makes autism and tourneyfags cry and they can't do shit about it.
>stop liking what i dont like!
>>320676513
Project M was pretty boring to be honest senpai. I installed it a while back to see what the hype was about but it was just smash with weird mechanics that felt awful. It was like a hollow shell of a game rather than a substantial experience. About the only good thing about it was that monster Hunter stage. That shit was baller
Personally I love that he doesn't fully embrace tourney faggots.
I don't get how so many people caught the competitive virus. It's a fucking party game, I should be able to play it and have fun with my friends and my girlfriends' friends.
There is absolutely nothing worse in video games than going to a party, playing Smash Bros, and coming upon some whiny unkempt faggot who screams and cries about turning items off, and chuckles to himself about "bad DI" and "frame data" as he beats people who literally never played in their life. And then he comes on the verge of tears when he loses, and makes the weakest excuses for losing.
That fucker is always around. It's not always the same guy, but there is always one. Always.
Holy shit please go find another game to play. Play an actual fighting game, where your opponents aren't drunk casuals.
>durrrr durrr not all tourney players!!!
I don't give a fuck. It's still like 80% of them or more.
Based daddy Sakurai BTFO of all these babies. I hope he adds more anime sword guys
>>320676513
And I hope he continues to be the director. All your suggestions for who to get in are fucking stupid. Indie fads (shovelknight), dead franchises that add nothing but nostalgia value(Issac, Banjo, Geno), and more characters from overpresentated series's (King K Rool, Dixie, Waddle D, Krystal).
Melee's tournament community is the center of video game cancer. Entitled, anal, cynical anti-fun faggots that hate Smash 4 because it doesn't have Melee's glitches. Constantly bitch about balance (when everyone complains about different characters being OP).
They have irrational hate towards any new installment and any new character. They are completely anal towards any normal fan that just wants to play a match with items on. They treat other players like shit constantly injecting on why Melee is better.
They deserve to get shat on. I hope Nintendo lets Sakurai continues to him treat them like this. They deserve nothing more.
Get fucked, anti-fun faggots.
>>320705860
>1-hit KO items and overly intrusive stage hazards are fun now
l o l
>>320676513
>then a small team of developers creates a MOD 10 times better than his own game (Project M)
lol
They couldn't finish there extra 3 fighters after how many years?
>>320706030
I find it pretty fun yes. Its funny and makes things crazy. Same reason why the blue shell and fire flower in Mario Kart are fun. Its funny and crazy.
>>320705860
>and more characters from overpresentated series's (King K Rool, Dixie, Waddle D, Krystal).
>DK
>at all overly represented
Nigga, you only have two DK characters, which is fucking criminal once you realize that it's actually fairly popular, one of Nintendo's highest selling franchises, and is actually popular in Japan.
DK fans have every right to request Dixie and K. Rool to be playable, they deserve it.
>>320705860
>Marina so badly forgotten already that she doesn't even get memed on
It's a strange and special kind of pain
>>320706228
>DK fans have every right to request Dixie and K. Rool to be playable
>Dixie and K. Rool
>and
Yeah okay buddy
>>320706228
Nah, you sound very fucking biases towards DK. It isn't that big and their are plenty of other franchises just as popular as DKC with less characters.
2 Characters, 3 stages, Mii outfit, and an item is plenty of representation. Time to give other franchises a chance.
>>320706393
>>320706473
Now watch him attack FE
>>320706393
Dixie at the very least. If Nintendo weren't stupid and decided to retire Kremlings, then K. Rool would be a shoe-in too.
>>320706473
Not really since although I'm a fan of DKC, I didn't really want any new DK platformers until I really sat down and thought about it.
>>320706030
Try playing with your many friends anon
>>320691924
What the fuck? Are you bad? Every good character can approach just like Melee
>People actually expected K. Rool or any popular first party character to be in as DLC
It's Sakurai
When with Sakurai
No one wins
>Ahahahah get fucked Bayonetta non-fans!
Great Nintendo fan service right there, Sakurai! Definitely not meant for a whole different kind of fan service!
git fucked Sakurai fucked with all of you even the Bayo fans
Have fun having her become the next Samus because that's what she is to Sakurai
You guys got played like a damn fiddle I tell ya what
>>320711183
Stay mad
>I really hope Smash 5 is shit and it burns
Alright, Genofag.
>>320711560
That's just the kind of answer I'd expect of someone who just faced harsh reality. Sakurai doesn't care about any all of ya, face the facts.
>B-but Bayonetta won!
Check the game sales and then check the ballot's assumed results again, shit doesn't add up.
>>320676513
why do people take this game seriously and expect everyone else to take is seriously?
Even deep spectrum autistic kids are better than this
>>320711712
Stay mad.
>>320676869
It's not being able to adapt, Smash 4's defensive grindfest is simply not fun to anyone who is decent at PM/Melee.
>>320711761
What game can be seriously?
>>320711560
Bayonetta doesn't belong in the game next to any of the other 3rd parties.
She's a joke compared to them. She's not an icon, she's a fad character. Without a new game, she'll be a distant memory in 2 to 3 years time.
>>320676513
>Bitching about the gameplay as a smoke screen when you're obviously a roster fag
Nice try. MY MEME CROCODILE DIDN'T GET IN. A BLOO BLOO BLOO!
>>320711859
anything that can actualy make you real money and isn't aimed at children
>>320711794
Yup, I'm definitely mad over here, not laughing my ass off over this whole shit.
>>320711904
Like what? Fighting games? CSGO? MOBAs? Please.
The only correct answer is none. They're fucking games ffs.
>>320676513
>project memer
kill yourself
>>320711712
>he didn't votebot his favorite character
dumb cucks who actually expected to win the ballot would've never won
>>320676513
>The man is incompetent, delusional, only cares about his own interests and needs to go.
stop projecting
I don't even understand the argument "Sakurai wanted Smash 4 cater to casuals". Didn't you have fun with Melee back in the days despite being casual as fuck?
It's not about removing options from the game that makes good players stand out, it's about adding stuff for casuals while keeping the deepness in the game, nothing bad would've happen if they stick to that formula.
>>320711898
>le k rool may may
>posting an ugly cumdumpster along with it
hang yourself stupid shitposter
I've never played a Bayonetta game but she looks great in Smash 4. I'm certainly glad it wasn't a dumb flavor of the week meme like Shovel Knight or Shantae, not that either of them would've placed anywhere noticeable on the ballot anyway.
>>320712313
that implies casuals back in 2001 are the same as casuals now, and even then game critics complained that the melee was too difficult, and those are the people nintendo listens to
>>320712370
>The bitching is a maymay
Rool fags are not only delusional, but in serious denial as well.
>>320712383
But Bayonetta is a dumb flavor of the week meme. The only thing people say against Shovel Knight and Shantae is "bawww indie" as if that makes them any less deserving than Bayonetta, who also has absolutely zero relevance to the gaming industry.
>>320712602
Whatever you have to tell yourself, I frankly don't care, I'm going to be having fun and you can't stop me.
>>320712602
Being the best of the worst doesn't make you relevant to the gaming industry, contrary to what Leddit Knight and Shantae fans may think.
>>320691889
this, this so fucking much
>>320712683
>Being the best of the worst doesn't make you relevant to the gaming industry
Take note of that one, Bayo fans.
>Ryu
>Pac-Man
>Sonic
>Mega Man
>Cloud Strife
>And...Bayonetta
One of these things is not like the others.
>>320712826
Cloud Strife has never had a mainline game on Nintendo consoles.
>>320712826
Cloud?
>>320712826
One of them was chosen by fans?
>I didn't get what I wanted and I'm going to ignore all the good shit that happened I WANT A NEW DIRECTOR
Spoiled
Brat
>>320712826
It's Cloud, he has a sword.
>>320712826
Yeah
Cloud
Whose never appeared in a major game in a Nintendo console
Don't be a prick about it
Bayonetta 2 was fully funded and basically saved and given life by Nintendo
Her appearance isn't outlandish when you consider Snake and Cloud got in
>>320712891
>>320712892
But at least he's still an iconic videogame character, which is one of the primary criteria for non-Nintendo characters if they ever hope to make it in. Bayonetta is not.
>>320712903
According to Sakurai, though Bayonetta seemed like a minority vote to me. You hardly ever heard anything from Bayo supporters prior to that announcement, and then suddenly they come out of the woodwork like they were frontrunners all along.
Shit like this thread is why so many people despise meleefags.
>>320676513
Epic shitposting, just epic
le hackurai meme
>>320713072
>You hardly ever heard anything from Bayo supporters prior to that announcement
You should leave /v/ sometimes.
>>320713072
I think the best part about this is that your outrage amounts to absolutely nothing.
>>320713172
Who wanted Bayo at all? Where did she have a fanbase that was overtaking every other frontrunner? Because I didn't see that anywhere, even outside of /v/.
>>320713194
You can fall back on that if you want, but you know I'm right, no matter how much you say "hurr durr we won so it doesn't matter get in here bros we did it"
>>320712826
Cloud which is an anime swordsman.
>>320713072
>But at least he's still an iconic videogame character
Not to shit on Cloud, he is a good character, but being recognizable to legions of casuals doesn't inherently make you a better third party choice.
>You hardly ever heard anything from Bayo supporters prior to that announcement
Literally Roolfag mentality. Just because you were the lords of your own internet circle jerks in your little hug boxes doesn't mean casuals weren't submitting votes in droves for everyone else. You actually thought your character was extremely popular just because it was talked up every other hour on /v/, Reddit or Smashboards.
People get too caught up in rosterfaggotry, do you even play the games?
>>320713375
Whatever you say, I'll be over here perfectly content while you yell at a wall some more.
>>320713375
Neofaggots seem to want bayonetta. But you are right it's pretty obvious she didn't poll the way they said she did. This was obviously a thing between Sakurai and Kamiya, just as Snake was a thing between Sakurai and Kojima. A shame they felt the need to lie about it.
>>320713072
>though Bayonetta seemed like a minority vote to me
ok first of all, /v/, leddit and sonygaf aren't good representatives of the 10 million people who bought smash 4
if sakurai wanted bayo in originally, she would be in at launch. it's his fucking game
if nintendo wanted to advertise bayo 2 by putting bayo in, then they wouldn't add her in more than a year later, they would add her in ASAP like corrin, since most of a game's sales occur in the first couple of months of its release
if bayo wasn't at the top or near the top of most voted, then nintendo, namco, and sakurai's company would literally lose money by putting her in, since a character dlc's sales is directly correlated to their popularity
>>320713782
>ok first of all, /v/, leddit and sonygaf aren't good representatives of the 10 million people who bought smash 4
they are at least a somewhat decent sample of the kinds of people who would vote for Bayonetta. Her games had totally mediocre sales, it's incredibly unlikely there was a silent majority of casuals voting for her. If anything those communities would show a bias towards her considering its bias towards no-name characters as a whole.
>>320714126
let's say bayo had 500,000 votes
wolf/banjo/whatever had 1,000,000 votes
dlc sell for $6
would namco and nintendo pass up on 3 million dollars?
somebody had to have voted for her, either people or bots
>>320690017
>Tripping adds another random element to the game so even that bad player may get a hit in sometimes.
A good player will always learn to adapt to the general shittiness of the game in order to win while the bad player will always cry foul whenever he loses.
I say this as a casual myself who plays with other casuals and tripping being gone was one of the main reasons why most of my friends were excited for Sm4sh in the first place when it was first announced.
>if he really wanted to spite tourneyfags he would remove the option to turn off items.
Again, turning off items would harm the casuals more considering that tournyfags are the ones who will experiment and learn how each item works.
I mean, would you believe that Mr. Saturn deals crazy shield damage?
Or that the fan is a shield breaker if you hit with it?
Or even that Peach's downB has a chance of spawning an item if you do it often enough?
A casual will just stop playing once they get KO'd by OHKO bullshit like the dragoon or the gust bellows too many times and will absolutely refuse to adapt to it.
>And to remove mechanics he would have to add them in the first place.
Stuff like perfect landing and one-use directional air dodge has been there since melee.
>The game was using a new engine. Less mechanics makes it easier and faster to develop, and as you know the game was already delayed once.
So the solution to Sakurai misusing his time is to cut content that people used just because it was used by tournyfags and add shit that nobody likes, like tripping and spammable air dodge, just to spite tournyfags?
That doesn't make any fucking sense dude.
>>320690163
>They wouldn't have had an easier time, but winning is more up to luck than to skill.
>Now picture Rainbow Cruise or 75M. It's really easy to just die for almost no reason or because you decided to trip just as that one section you're standing on becomes hazardous. Newbies would die too, but at least they wouldn't get 4-stocked.
This argument falls flat when you consider that tournyfags would know how to manage their risk while a newbie would always flounder at the random shit going on.
I mean, a good player will always kick the snot outta you no matter what random shit you add in to even the odds, it's a fool's errand to try and balance things out by taking options away from the player.
>>320691505
What could new blood possibly do that Sakurai hasn't already done?
I mean seriously, we're talking about a guy who thought tripping was a good idea and refused to put in a stage hazard toggle because he thought that it'd be too much like PSASB or some shit.
>>320691695
Just because a game doesn't have official support doesn't mean that it's necessarily dead, it just means that it'll need the support more than ever to survive.
>>320692047
how can /v/ hate esports? isn't that where we compete?
god damn /v/
>>320716125
/v/ is generally shit at video games and they hate MP games because it exposes them and makes them feel like shit.
The especially hate fighting games since it prevents them from blaming anyone but themselves when they get the shit kicked outta them.
>>320714772
>A good player will always learn to adapt to the general shittiness of the game in order to win while the bad player will always cry foul whenever he loses.
You miss the part where I said it didn't work well?
>Again, turning off items would harm the casuals more considering that tournyfags are the ones who will experiment and learn how each item works.
HAHAHAHA, fucking good one dude.
>Stuff like perfect landing and one-use directional air dodge has been there since melee.
You miss the part about the new engine?
>tripping and spammable air dodge, just to spite tournyfags?
Again, if Sakurai wanted to spite tourneyfags, that's the best he could do? It's his game here and he was asked to cater to the Wii Sports crowd. He could've done just about anything. Didn't people still play it competitively for 2 years in the US? Japan didn't stop playing it competitively until Smash 4 came out.
>>320716348
and here I always thought /v/ would be made up of amazing players who work hard to master their games... where can I find a board of skilled players
>>320716396
>You miss the part where I said it didn't work well?
>HAHAHAHA, fucking good one dude.
Explain how items actually help casuals more than tournyfags?
Keep in mind, melee scene did use items at one point in the very beginning.
>You miss the part about the new engine?
Even if that was an applicable excuse, what does that say about Sakurai when a bunch of modders were able to unfuck Brawl's...everything in almost a fraction of Brawl's dev time?
You can cry "but they didn't build it from scratch" but I'll counter with "he made the game, knows how it played in 64 and melee, and was willing to delay the game for stupid shit that actively made the gameplay worse?"
>Again, if Sakurai wanted to spite tourneyfags, that's the best he could do?
Considering how casual friendly sm4sh turned out to be, it's safe to assume that it'll get worse in 5mash.
>Didn't people still play it competitively for 2 years in the US?
They did, until they realized how garbage the gameplay was and melee was revived with the documentary and its inclusion at EVO.
>>320706473
> It isn't that big and their are plenty of other franchises just as popular as DKC with less characters.
Interesting claim you have there anon.
Fire Emblem
>7 Million in sales
>6 Characters
>1 AT
>1 Mii outfit
Kirby
>36 Million in sales
>3 Characters
>2 ATs
>0 Mii outfit
Kid Icarus
>3 Million in sales
>3 Characters
>2 ATs
>1 Mii outfit
Donkey Kong
>56 Million in sales
>2 Characters
>0 ATs
>1 Mii outfit
>8 Remixes of Jungle Hijinx
>>320716501
dustloop
>>320676513
>Waaaaaaaa The shitty character I wanted didn't make it in. Waaaaaaaaaaa
If Project M and RoA are so much better why not just play those and forget all about Smash? Why even care what 5 will be?
>>320717109
>Explain how items actually help casuals more than tournyfags?
If you know why tourneyfags turn it off and why casuals leave it on then you already know the answer.
>Keep in mind, melee scene did use items at one point in the very beginning.
Yep, and they quickly stopped. If he wanted to spite tourneyfags, this would be the way to go.
>Even if that was an applicable excuse
I don't even know what you're trying to argue here. The game was simplified to cater to the Wii's primary audience. Shit mechanics like tripping were added for more randomness. Overall game development time was reduced because there were less mechanics overall.
>They did, until they realized how garbage the gameplay was and melee was revived with the documentary and its inclusion at EVO.
They figured out what the gameplay was like within the first couple of months.
>>320718283
>If you know why tourneyfags turn it off and why casuals leave it on then you already know the answer.
Are you implying that casuals don't turn off certain items themselves?
Are you implying that items honestly even things out for all parties involved?
Are you impying that Brawl had less mechanics overall then melee?
>>320712826
Cloud never had a game on a nintendo console :^)
>>320695107
The true fans are not melee purist
64 a best
REAL fighting games don't let you dodge in the air like a faggot
And saying 'tr4sh' is the same level of retarded as saying 'ashnime'
But you're probably the same person anyway
>>320676513
Tell me /v/, are all Meleefags THIS autistic?
>>320719216
Yes
They're exactly like Soulsfags
>>320719647
Soulsfag here. Don't lump us together with Meleefags. We're nothing like those faggots.
Agree completely. Preach it, nigga!
Sm4sh had the potential to be the best game by far, but it was barely good. It's like they made every wrong decision on purpose.
>>320718746
>Are you implying that casuals don't turn off certain items themselves?
Are you implying Sakurai can't add a limit to how many items you can disable?
>Are you implying that items honestly even things out for all parties involved?
What are you even talking about? That's the reason you think casuals leave items on and tourneyfags turn it off?
>Are you implying that Brawl had less mechanics overall then melee?
Most likely, since the simplified gameplay reduced the development time. That's what I remember reading. If I'm wrong it's okay, I wasn't implying reduced development time was the reason for the game's simplification, but a benefit.
Platinum should make the mext Smash Bros
Just look at the Bayonetta wallpaper
>>320676513
I agree with you except for different, non-retarded reasons. The only thing Sakurai did well in Smash was the roster, he shit the bed with everything else.
The menus are the worst in the series, the stages save for a select few are fucking terrible, the music is lackluster, single player is the worst in the series, online play STILL sucks ass and STILL isn't based on region (something even a fucking 3DS eShop game can do) and the way of obtaining customs is the very definition of tedious.
Why the fuck are there duplicates when there's 300+ custom moves and even more equipment, Sakurai? Christ, and it's not like you're getting some moves that completely changes a character's playstyle, it's all "ayy here's this character's projectile but EVEN SLOWER AND MORE POWERFUL" Fuck.
Worst of all is that this game reeks of squandered potential, at every turn there are these little changes that could have been made to turn it into one of the best Smash games if not the best and it's not because Sakurai isn't talented, it's because he doesn't fucking care. He just tossed all of these ideas and did fuck all to develop them properly.
Sakurai lost his love for the series a while ago, I'll take this series going in some weird, polarizing direction as long as someone who actually gives a shit is at the helm.
>>320720061
I agree. Kamiya should show Sakurai how to properly deal with Smash idiots.
>>320719695
>identifying as x-fag
Don't do this
>>320698137
PMDT chickened out for their special project and had to make up stories of their actual situation because someone leaked their source code.
meanwhile, superior Brawl Minus devs are more worried about TPP than fantasy lawsuits like PMDT.
PMDT's Sakurai-tier incompetence is what cause PM to halt. but hey, at least you can go full meleefag and just play 3.6 or mess around with the source code with PMCC.
>>320706030
don't listen to the tr4sh shits, they fucking suck.
even Brawl had better item gameplay even with friends and if you ever wanted better Brawl gameplay just install Balanced Brawl.
>ICs removed in Smash 4 probably to never return as long as Sakurai's in charge
>Starfy turned into a fucking joke of an assist throphy and shunned by many and will never be truly understood and made into a real fighter
>Removed cutscenes for MUH YOUTUBE LEAKS!!!!
>Smash Tour being boring and lackluster
>Smash Run not as good as City Trial in Kirby Air Ride
>Masterbating to Fire Emblem a lot and not giving DK or any other deserving Nintendo franchise more characters that they deserve
>Lackluster/Boring single player mode fir Smash 4
>No fucking stage hazard removal
God Sakurai I'm thankful you made Kirby and brought Lucas back but fuck, you messed up big time and I've most of my respect for you.
I still think we need Shinya Kumazaki from Kirby/Hal to make Smash 5.
>>320706473
>>320717997
>>320706228
the things is that people care more about playable characters, more average attention on stages than worthless items and boring trophies
unless i have to remind you that quality > quantity , KIfags are still pissed about 1/3 of their fighters are shit-tier, Palutena's Guidence being lackluster, and any of the KI villains not joining before Dark Pit.
>>320712047
>votebotting
along with Gokufag retards, this is literally the reason why Sakurai said Bayoneta won for being the most negotiable and realizable in the US
bet the Top 5 winners were just Goku, an AT character, Daisy, and a character without a coming future (See: K.Rool)
I've jusyt bought smash for the 3ds and is the nintendo server always that horrible?
I've played 2/3 matches because every other time there's a comminucation error or everybodys disconnects. I'm seriously thnking about returning it.
>>320723050
This Smash isn't called Tr4sh for no reason, no matter how much brainless fanboys cry "meleefag".
>>320723236
So the best thing to do is to just return it, got it.
>>320723050
>>320723236
Samefag? I just played 15 matches in a row against 4 different people without a problem.
>>320712826
>One of these things is not like the others.
lol
>>320712891
>>320712892
>>320712946
>>320713030
>>320718848
Sakurai didn't say having a Nintendo appearance is a requirement but a courtesy
any iconic or historic & negotiable video game guest can join Smash without a Nintendo appearance.
or are you fags forgetting about Snake, the very first non-Nintendo guest to be included in Smash.
>inb4 muh Twin Snakes
>Sakurai agreed to include Snake since Melee before Twin Snakes was a thing
>inb4 muh MG for the NES
>MG started on a Microsoft/PC platform.
>>320723573
Bayonetta is iconic though
Iconic of autist tears
>Bayonetta making THIS many people angry
Art.
>>320723529
Not samefagging. If you don't have any problems that's good for you!
But I keep having connection issues and disconnecting players.
>>320723762
post more salt
>>320723050
Smash is peer-to-peer based, if your connection or your opponents connection is shit, then both of you will lag. Sometimes you get matched with overseas players and that affects it too. If you're lagging then just return the game.
>>320706886
>not rehashing the same fucking enemies and villain every fucking game is now stupid
Did you cry to when Ganon wasn't in MM or SS?
>>320723879
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3zODouXRPc
>>320676513
I wish smash would fucking die already and the nintendo IPs could actually get their own games
>>320723814
Have you tried restarting your computer? Have you changed anything in the BIOS? Don't necrobump, please.
"This player can't be reached" does happens sometimes but it's quite rare. Disconnecting players are rare too, however i think that if one of them has a particularly awful connection it boots him out.
>>320676513
>Sakurai must cater to my needs only and he is selfish for not doing so
Sure anon, whatever you say.
>Smash 8 comes out
>7 Kid Icarus reps
>18 Marths
>12 Pokemon
>Metroid still has only Samus
>Zelda still only has Link, Zelda, Shiek, and Ganondorf
>Sonic is the only third party character who's always in
>Master Chief and that bill board lady from Nintendo Land appear in the reveal trailer as the rabbit from that badge arcade game shows up
>LE SALTY TEARS MAYMAY FUCKING DANK YOU MAD AT BASED SAKURAI PLEB? EVER MADE A FUCKING GAME?
>>320724792
Saying "u mad" in greentext at the end of your post doesn't make you not angry. You're still clearly upset.
>>320723762
>Goodbye until NX
Priceless
>>320724792
Fanny: the flustering
>>320724792
Good.
>>320724941
>>320725413
>>320725474
What does Sakurai's dick taste like?
>>320725534
How does it feel to be this upset over video games?
>>320725615
How does it feel to drink the semen of a Japanese game dev 24/7 on an imageboard?
>>320725534
Tastes better than being mad at videogames and unironically typing like a retard while shitposting.
I mean you actually think what you typed back there is gonna happen.
>>320725824
What character do you want to appear in the next Smash?
No really, tell me one character you want to appear in the next Smash.
>>320687209
>but removed the glitches
>wavedashing is removed
>L-canceling is removed
Literally Sm4sh
>>320724792
Sakurai would literally be 80 years old by the time Smash 8 comes out but this is a really impressive roster for someone that age. All the other Nintendo IPs not on this list would've died from the lack of advertisements, so he's got the core Nintendo IPs there already. He's got the gaming icon Master Chief there, and some surprise picks too. It only gets a 9/10 from me for not putting in Toon Link though.
>>320726079
L-Canceling (Smooth Landing) isn't a glitch.
It's an AT that has been in the game since 64.
>>320726079
And the game is slower than balls.
Developers can't actually make hyper-addictive fun any more, because they would lose sales on new consumer products.
Sm4sh will die out just as fast as Brawl did when they stop adding content. This is literally why the new characters are advertisements for other games.
They make shit that is 'okay' level of fun and attention, but they really want the sales of peripherals and microtransactions.
Brawl 2 literally cost over a hundred dollars if you don't buy the stages, costumes, amiibos, etc. But you will never have that ttue gamer experience unless you drop the cost of another Wii U.
>>320724792
>Zelda still only has Link, Zelda, Shiek, and Ganondorf
Link, Zelda and Ganon are pretty much the only worthwhile Zelda characters to include in Smash. It's actually annoying when Sakurai starts scraping the barrel just so a big series has proportionally more characters (ex. Rosalina and Bowser Jr.)
>>320720191
>Sakurai isn't talented, it's because he doesn't fucking care
That's a lie, just look at Ryu's or Cloud's moveset, but otherwise I agree, everything else in the game was underdeveloped, and he's probably too controlling to let somebody else take charge with the stuff he's not good with
>>320690471
>"Put on your seat belts and prepare for a bumpy ride"
>Smashboards
>Ass-blasted Meleecucks
>Sakurai hates you, states it in official interview
There couldn't possibly be more delusions that another Melee-like smash will ever be in the works, right?
>>320725980
He-who-must-not-me-named, Inklings, Sami from AW, Ray Mk II, Dark Samus, Croc-who-musn't-be-named, Genesect, Dark Matter, and a few others.
I didn't get any of these with this game but i got Palutena that i wanted since Brawl, Mac that i wanted since forever, i got a cool Pokemon that i wanted for the new Pokemon Trainer, i got Villager that i wanted since the game for GC came out and Shulk who i wanted but thought had no chance because the game was too recent. Plus i got a few icons of gaming such as Pacman, Ryu and motherfucking Megaman.
Miis were a welcome addition since they're been with Nintendo for almost a decade by now. Never had particular choices for Mario but we got two decently popular characters, one of which is a female which are kind of rare in the series. We got two "the fuck?" characters such as WFT and DHD which, strange at first, were decently welcomed, at least by me....the dog is so hated that it kind of deserved it.
The only FE character i wanted only got in as a Mii costume, i never even played his game: i only thought he looked and sounded good, and having a non-monster humanoid villain other than Ganondorf would have been cool. I didn't get him but i got a mage which is probably more varied than the character i wished for.
Never cared about Lucina and Roy but they have their fans apparently, so more power to them. Roy is more fun to play than Melee but i could have done without him, and while i don't hate her Lucina should have been a costume. Same for Dark Pit and Dr.Mario. I went FUCK, ANOTHER FE CHAR? too at Corrin, but he looks fun to play so that thought kinda withdrew. Then i got Bayo who was one of my top picks but was always into the "IMPOSSIBLE" section.
tl; dr I don't get upset and go LE THIS LE THAT LE XD over a goddamn videogame and i'm content with what i got, even though i would have been happier with more of what i wished for.
With a new Nintendo Director making Smash 5...
They add tripping back, only this time it's not just running but doing any action can fail with some sort of wacky mishap resulting, like Mario's fireball exploding in his face! The humor level skyrockets, the audience is back and makes smash 64-levels of random noises beyond mere cheering for one player. The cpu has 5 different taunts and uses them liberally to express anger, happiness, smugness and confusion. The stage hazards are super random and include a random fly-by of birds or even a meteor crashing onto the stage, rainstorms, earthquakes, alien invasions, air bombings, random enemy appearances...
That'd be so hilarious. Perfect smash described right there. Perfect meleetard asspain.
It's been known forever sakurai is a man made for singleplayer games, he can make great kirby stuff and kid icarus, but thats because he's set to his own ideals and refuses to take input from the community, which is pretty much the worst possible scenario for a community driven game like smash where the playerbase is the content since it's pvp
Honestly, with how fun pokken is to play, I really just hope they'll give sakurai the boot and let bamco handle smash 5 in full, they have a much better grasp on things, so hopefully they'll get what they deserve after their help on sm4sh, and pokken, and nintendo gives them the reigns.
>>320691889
it's because it's a popular game and mostof the underage here are bad at them, so they are mad at higher level play. I bet most of them would say tiers don't exist.
>>320728312
>and let bamco handle smash 5 in full, they have a much better grasp on things
>Soul Calibur since IV
>>320681403
This
>>320727986
the fuck is this
>>320728467
Soul Calibur 5 is the best game in the series, far better than 2-4
>>320729553
>Soul Calibur 5 is the best game in the series
Gameplay? Indeed. Everything else? Not by a long mile. Bamco basically said "top kek" and went to TTT2 while SCV was still in production. We got half a game and half polished than it could have been. Then when it came out they abandoned it quickly as well.
>>320730005
Yes, the most important area and areas the other games lacked in. I am aware of everything that happened and deslite these things V still exceeded the others.
>>320730325
Anon SCV is my favorite of the series too, but i won't deny it's a piece of shit compared to what it could have been.
A game that manages to out-incomplete MGSV is worth pointing out.
Also i'm still fucking mad that the best looking armor is preorder only.
>>320728312
Not happening. The only person that's going to give Sakurai the boot is Sakurai. There's also no way Nintendo will let Bamco work on one of their biggest series by themselves. After Sakurai leaves, he will be replaced by someone from Nintendo, probably a veteran developer with just as much experience as him, like Sakamoto or Tezuka.
>>320724792
>>Metroid still has only Samus
non-problem
>>Zelda still only has Link, Zelda, Shiek, and Ganondorf
aside the need for a better Ganon and retooled Young Link, non-problem
>I take SSB seriously
>I want the game to cater to my competitive needs because I can't play a real fighting game
>>320720553
>meleefag: WAAAHHH SAKURAI KILL URSELF FOR NOT PUTTING IN MAH WAIFU SHANTAE AND KRYSTAL TO FAP OVER REEEEE
>Sakurai: blocked :^)
It would be glorious
>>320704848
>Stop disliking what I like
>>320732614
>implying meleefags actually gave a shit about who made it into a game that they don't play
Nigger what the fuck is wrong with you?
>>320723879
>>320723762
>>320724052
>>320724287
>>320724324
>le salt meme
this all tumblr kiddies can fall on when they're confronted with logic
>>320732904
I get triggered as fuck whenever I'm reminded that Snake/Bond didn't make it in Melee
>>320733249
>spending this much of your time saving up irrelevant posts
your life must be sad
>>320733318
stay mad, kuckrooler
>>320676513
>incompetent, delusional, only cares about his own interests and needs to go.
Like k rule fags, Ridley fags, etc
The people making the game AND the fan base need to go
>>320733489
>u-umad u must be a kroolfag
lol stay pathetic neckbeard
>>320733621
stay mad, kuckrooler
Who cares?
Only retards tought that indie shit would get into smash.
>>320733734
(you)
>>320724091
DKC fags for the most part don't actually play or care about the videogames they claim to like, only the idea of them. It's why you see people pretend DKC 1 was better than DKC 3 when the latter is a sidegrade of the obviously superior DKC2 while the former is just a really barebones platformer
>>320733738
bigger retards thought Daisy was going to be in Smash 4 roster.
>>320733796
stay mad, kuckrooler
>>320733853
>DKC fags for the most part don't actually play or care about the videogames they claim to like, only the idea of them.
>mfw bayonetta 2 bombed hard
>people suddenly care about her and her games when she was revealed for smash
>most of it was for porn and ss
>>320734086
What do those factoids have to do with my post?
>>320690183
>what elements do casuals not like, or not need
But as has already been beaten into the ground. The casuals don't even have an opinion regarding that stuff, because they don't know it exists. The only people who defend shit like this are those who were eleven or younger when Brawl came out.
>>320733051
>implying /v/ isn't doing the same for the usual spite candies
Maybe it's time to stop playing Smash. If the changes to the game offend you that much perhaps you should move on with your life.
In the end, K Rool fags became the new Ridley fags. Funny how things work out.
>>320724792
>He's still pretending Marth clones is a problem
Corrin and Robin existed for this reason and yet your still bitching
>>320723879
>warning received
>Smashboards cucks getting nanny'd over any hint of offensiveness
I'd suffocate there.
>>320735992
Except we're not nearly as bad.
>>320723879
>Not reading this "in-character"
These boards have no vision.
>>320723762
He already bought the game. The damage is done.
>>320735992
>In the end, K Rool fags became the new Ridley fags
On what planet?
Krystalfags became the new Ridleyfags. I barely even saw K-Rool fags the past 6 months. It's been mostly Krystal posting day in and day out, tiny bit of Isaac as well. Lots of Wolf, too.
>>320702371
>>320702929
The one thing that pisses me off with Sm4sh is;
>Completing the game on the hardest difficulty is impossible due to the game saying fuck you and dropping the difficulty on you, on top of the AI being completely bullshit on a number of levels
>Event mode is not fun compared to Melees due to the retarded unlock requirements
>Fucking Smash Tour all together
>Clusterfuck of a mess that is the menu
>>320740083
Yeah, sometimes it's like the game wants to reward challenge but really it comes off as punishing achievement.
>>320740083
Sm4shfags will call you a casual for listing these faults while calling sm4sh a casual game in the same breath.
I'll never understand these retards.
>>320741171
Still better than melee.
But hey even brawl was more fun
>>320741239
How?
Melee and Brawl actually had SP.
>>320676513
A new director won't get your scaly fantasies into smash broham.
>>320741171
It's not exactly casual if the AI can;
>Read your movements
>Dodge virtually every attack you throw at em
>Attack you at the right moment without fail
>Grab items perfectly, in most cases throw em back at you if you attempt to chuck shit at em
Cruel melee is the prime definition of this bullshit, and this even happens on event mode if you play on hard. There's no excuse to defending this when even the most skilled players get fucked
At least with Melee you could still hold your ground to a degree, it took a number of tries, but I managed to complete every event on that game. Hell I liked melees event mode because it had a gradual increase in difficulty, while of course having some hilarious shit in there.
>100+ mini Mario event
>Lethal Marathon
>>320741701
They all have singleplayer, anon
>>320741752
>Krystal is scalie now
>>320741762
>Melee had 100+ mini mario event
>Sm4sh had an event that was basically Lucario fighting against two invisible opponents at critical damage.
>>320741752
>>320741752
>A new director won't get your scaly fantasies into smash broham.
this
Sakurai gave us a K.Rool costume, bara Ridley stage boss, a better Bowser, and Corrin
Harada would give us loli idol shit instead
>>320741862
>Melee SP
>Though kinda repetitive, the characters you fight are randomized
>Break the targets
>Race to the finish
>Brawl SP
>IIRC, it was similar to Melees
>Break the targets IIRC wasnt all that fun, I think it lacked race to the finish
>Sm4sh
>Almost every SP fight was 8 player and took place on the same stages, almost no conditional fights involved, 3DS version was slightly better
>AHAHAHAHA BONUS STAGES, ENJOY YOUR BULLSHIT ANGRY BIRDS MODE!!
>>320742132
>>Sakurai gave us a K.Rool costume, bara Ridley stage boss, a better Bowser, and Corrin
don't forget BahaButt ZERO
>>320727986
Gee anon, thanks for the nightmare I'm going to have tonight.
>>320742294
Okay
I still prefer sm4sh
>>320742132
>Harada would give us loli idol shit instead
GOD PLEASE MAKE HARADA THE DIRECTOR OF THE NEXT SMASH
>not maining based Yayoi
>>320742590
Why?
>>320742678
Because it's more fun, less imbalanced than melee and brawl, and has a better roster
>>320742132
I would take a Idolmaster or Vocaloid over that shit anyday anon, hell I'd pay extra if lucina and DP isn't in the game either or at the very least alts where they belong.
>>320742747
How is it less imbalanced?
How is it more fun?
god damn, OP, you are mad as fuck
>>320686417
>why should saki boy change a party game for the few people who play it competitively? secondly, even if it WAS a good idea, what obligation does saki boy have to do anything you want him to?
I think his point was that melee was a good game both casually and competitively. Why would you intentionally gimp it when you can literally just build upon what you already have? No one would have complained if brawl had just removed directional airdodging but kept momentum, L-cancels and hitstun intact.
Wait,were we talking about sm4sh's piss gameplay or were we roster jerking? I forgot.
>>320742132
>Kumazaki bias is more Kirby
>Tanabe bias is more Primetroid, more DKC w/out Rool, anything else space related, and obscure 5th-7th gen IPs
>Harada bias is more lolita and j-pop shit
>Miyamoto bias is more EAD and R&D1 character
>this Smash had IntSys working on the game and probably the reason why all the FE rep shit is every where.
>>320702371
>play with a mix of people; one set "casual" and the other more seasoned in smash
>the casual ones find sm4sh's extremely hostile stage hazards/items more intrusive and frustrating than the seasoned players, despite this gameplay angle being designed in favor of casual play
honestly, i agree
/v/ gets in a tizzy about the character additions; but i think smash does those (and their movesets) fantastic; it's the Everything Else like online modes, stage design and gameplay modes that drop the ball
>>320718746
>Are you impying that Brawl had less mechanics overall then melee?
Are you Helen Keller?
Brawl has slightly more technical shit than Brawl 2, but it has maybe a fifth of the technical aspect of Melee.
>>320723050
>I've jusyt bought smash for the 3ds and is the nintendo server always that horrible?
P2P anon, either you or your opponent has shit internet.
>>320743313
we're taking about how Ridley pumps inside Big Sister's tight little cum chute with his xeno dragon cock
>>320727079
Everybody read this. You game is waning interest before its even complete.
>>320687417
>people actually want Chibi-robo and Kyle Hide
No, no they dont.
People want Mario, Pikachu, Link, Megaman, Pac Man, Samus and Cloud. Not your obscure dead franchise mascots with not potential for a fun moveset.
Tired of people giving sakurai shit just because he didn't put in your favorite character. More character =/= better game, and the balance patches and such only serve to make the game more fun, not necessarily more competitive.
There are a lot of reasons to not like Sakurai but thats not one of them.
>>320742929
There are objectively more viable characters in 4 than melee. Mlee has about 5, and then a couple characters that have a grand total of one player on Earth able to do well with them like Yoshi or Peach or Puff
Fun is subjective, so don't expect an answer.
>>320676513
>"S-Sakurai doesn't respect western franchises like Donkey Kong and Metroid"
Neither of those are western, and other franchises have gotten worse or need better reception.
>Golden Sun Dead
>Chibi-Robo being slowly choked to death with mediocre spin offs
>Custom Robo so fucking dead it isn't even on the VC
Someone like Ray getting into Smash could've revitalized a rather niche franchise. But no let's cry about muh K Rool, who everyone still knows about.
I'm mad about about Corrin but I'm not fucking sperging about it, and if Bayonetta won I'm not gonna march up to Sakurai and demand a recount with explicit numbers published on the official Smash website on the front page.
So stop fucking whining and trying to claim a mod and literal garbage are apparently better just cause your vote didn't get in.
>>320727664
he makes great movesets and picks great characters
but the line is drawn there
smash needs a team instead of an auteur, but nintendo's seniority-auteur culture is really, really strong
>>320743585
sounds hot
>>320729553
Soul Caliber 2 was fast as shit compared to the first game! It had a nice polish and felt wonderful. I got my ass handed to me constantly.
3 4 and 5 then went to feel like downs syndrome.
>>320681967
who is that cute girl
>>320743692
>only one good Puff player
>only one good Peach player
Spotted the tr4shfag
>>320743692
>There are objectively more viable characters in 4 than melee.
How can that be true when most tournaments are won by either Diddy Kong, Sheik, or ZSS?
>Mlee has about 5, and then a couple characters that have a grand total of one player on Earth able to do well with them like Yoshi or Peach or Puff
Wouldn't the fact that there exists people who can take characters like Yoshi or Luigi to top 8, after the meta had already been solved for over a decade, a testement to how balanced Melee actually is though?
>>320688518
This. Not to mention, this minority audience are the people who end up playing the game for more than three weeks before the next flavor of the month bull comes out. They're the ones who purchase multiple copies when the first burns out. They're the ones who keep the game alive.
No one's asking you to list all of the advanced mechanics in the manual(even though that who be good because it would encourage people to become good at the game) but removing features because it's "too hard"(really? Pressing a trigger before you touch the ground is too hard?) Only annoys people who notice the depth of the previous game.
Honestly, Nintendo really lucked out with the Wii being as popular as it was because brawl mostly sold off the strength of being able to fight pikachu as Mario, not because it was a great sequel that improved itself over the original.
>>320676513
It's not a serious fighting game. Stop pretending it is. It never will be
>>320744273
>a testement to how balanced Melee actually is though?
No, it wouldn't. Because if melee was balanced then it might not be inbalanced, but it is very imbalanced because there's only 5 viable characters, anon.
Compare this to street fighter which has the entire cast except 2 characters viable.
>>320744273
Just out of curiosity but are you attempting to objectively prove your game is the best in the series rather than just accepting some people prefer sm4sh or even brawl? The tism is strong with you.
The fact that Corrin got in as a DLC character is probably a sign that Sakurai needs to go. The guy had pretty great choice when it comes to characters, but Corrin is just out of place and feels like a copypaste character no matter what.
Also the guy's decisions regarding gameplay really irk me. Brawl's random tripping and overall "make the game a campfest with a low skillcap" gameplay was pretty much unacceptable. No actual fighting game developer would ever make such a stupid decision. Sm4sh improved on Brawl's speed and campiness a bit but got rid of chaingrabs, edgehogging, DI and SDI effectiveness, ultimately making it a REALLY shallow game compared to any other Smash.
The guy had a great run, but someone needs to come in and make Smash an actual worthy fighting game as well as a fun party game.
>>320744353
Firstly, how is melee imbalanced for having "only" 5 viable characters yet sm4sh isn't imbalanced when every single tournament has been won by the same three characters?
Secondly, you obviously haven't been following SFIV if you honestly believe that most of the cast is legitimately viable.
>>320680929
ZSS being so much ridiculously better than Samus in that game to me personally is so egregious I can't fucking stand it for the reason you said. ZSS is becoming more prominent than fucking Samus art this point altogether isn't she? ZSS was supposed to be a little easter egg and now she's overshadowed everything that made Samus cool in the first place. Fuck this shit.
>>320744353
Most people would argue that top 8 are viable TOURNANENT WISE,and If we are talking locals,you can go as down as playing zelda and win.
>>320744495
It's hypocritical to call out one game for issues and then turn around and say your game is better when it suffers from the same issues.
I'm sorry you can't accept criticism when you're more than happy to criticize everything else.
>>320719216
Wow! Nice job refuting OP's point! Sure got those stupid Melee fans!
>>320724223
Do you realize he's being retarded on purpose?
>>320716348
Reminder that they also hate CSGO and use the slight RNG on the bulletspray as an excuse as to why the game has a low skill cap, even though nobody here testifies to being GOOD because of the RNG.
Yeah, /v/ is pretty shit at any game that requires competitive skill, so they try and find as many excuses as possible as to why they suck.
My entire local scene is one big casual fuck fest.
>>320744828
>this will never be reality
;_;
>>320719216
no, Undertale fans are nice they won that FAQS poll
>>320695115
Trumping is the only good thing to come out of smash 4 aside from bayonetta.
>>320745762
>Ridley
>Dark Samus
>>320745353
Way to derail,well, might as well go In this.
Compare cs 1.6 to csgo
cs 1.6 was more about aiming and shooting,It didn't had much else,but It was to the point.
Cs:GO Is more about strategy,you have to know janky ass grenade placements and areas to abuse a specific gun.
cs 1.6 Is liked by some because It's more straight forward and didin't require as much game knowledge then GO.
I would love to say pick your poision,but 1.6 Is dead.
>>320745991
you have Sylux and the other two, stop whining.
>>320745863
>nice
*since
>>320698137
That doesn't change the quality of the game, you duck.
Besides, now that the game is going to stop being patched constantly, the actual game can begin to develop.
>>320703656
Bayonetta will be the only reason I ever touch smash 4 ever again. She looks so fucking good.
His butthurt is hilarious to me.
>>320704927
>I don't get how so many people caught the competitive virus. It's a fucking party game, I should be able to play it and have fun with my friends and my girlfriends' friends.
It's not about ego-stroking, although that is fun.
It's about having something to explore and become better at.
When you go potential, you destroy the overall experience just because you want some guy who'll play the game for 2 months tops to win a few.
>>320745863
>>320747013
Did Undertale fans kill your cat or something? For fuck's sake.:^)
>>320676513
Just stfu you buttblasted faggot. He's one of the most dedicated devs of our age.
>>320747321
people will forget about this game like how /v/ isn't discussing about Vivian James anymore
>>320747567
Dedicated to shitty game design maybe.
>>320705860
>Entitled, anal, cynical anti-fun faggots that hate Smash 4 because it doesn't have Melee's glitches
Fun fact: 99 percent of melee's tech aren't glitches. In fact, the only ones I can think of are the black hole glitch, which you need 4 people cooperating in order to actually do; icies freeze glitch, which is impractical when you can just hand off or wobble; and ness's yo-yo glitch, which never gets used because ness fucking sucks. Everything else was intentionally designed or is just a result of everything working how they should.
But you people never listen. You just whine because someone is better at a video game than you.
>>320706264
That's because no one fucking knows who treasure is and most that do, only know about gunstar heroes and ikaruga, not fucking mischief makers and stretch panic.
>>320744634
>but Corrin is just out of place and feels like a copypaste character no matter what.
What the fuck are you talking about?
>>320744787
>when every single tournament has been won by the same three characters?
Every single tournament took place in the single year of the game's life. Melee has 14 years on his back. One can change, the other is pretty much set in stone.
>>320744634
>Chaingrabs
>Edgehogging
Both of those are shit and needed to go.
>>320744828
>ZSS is becoming more prominent than fucking Samus art this point altogether isn't she? ZSS was supposed to be a little easter egg and now she's overshadowed everything that made Samus cool in the first place.
No? Only in Smash and porn.
>>320748619
If Sm4sh was actually balanced then it wouldn't require over a year for someone outside of those three characters to win a major.
I mean, you'd think that after receiving balance patches and DLC characters that there'd be fucking someone who'd win a major by now.
>>320716396
>You miss the part about the new engine?
You mean it's okay to waste resources and dev time on programming a random trip that will literally piss everyone off as opposed to programming a feature that actually adds the the overall depth of the game?
I have never met anyone who is EVER happy to trip. We might laugh it off the first 2-3 times but afterwards, anyone you trip into a smash or bomb, you're going to scoff and shut off the console.
At least sometimes when I play melee, I have them ask "how do you play so fast?" To which I respond that you just need to press the trigger before you reach the ground. From there, it's their CHOICE to delve further into the game and get better or just sit back and be pissy about me being able to time my button presses better.
We like melee because it's a better designed game in its core. Not because we can't adapt. Why eat McDonald's if you have the choice to eat five guys?
>>320676513
He should have been the one to die in place of Iwata
>>320676513
>He only adds characters based on his own personal interest (games he made, friends with developers from other games, advertising purposes)
This upsets you why? Do you think developers should make games in ways they don't enjoy?
Why is your opinion more important?
>>320676513
>a clone title 100 times better than his own game (Rivals of Aether).
Post a download link if it's so damn good then. Because I'll never ever purchase early access trash.
I am not just going to take your word for it. The game also looks furry as hell. You can't really criticize the Smash roster if that furfest is what you prefer.
>>320749782
new thread
>having respect for western studios
![[worried laughter].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Y9Uffwg.jpg "[worried laughter]")
