Pete Hines responds to fan pointing out descrepancies in FO4
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>>317589173
That's so pathetic.
who fucking cares
it's just a game
and it's not like bethesda has ever cared about being consistent with older fallout lore
>>317589173
>lol it's fantasy so it doesn't need to follow any internal logic
I fucking hate this argument
>>317589281
Pretty much this, everybody knows Bethesda is beyond shit. Nothing to see here.
>>317589173
lol
>>317589173
>>317589142
Everytime you point something that's wrong in a fantastic/sci-fi universe retards will always fall back to 'but it's not supposed to be realistic!'.
Fucking hate that.
INTERNAL CONSISTENCY YOU BUNCH OF SPUNKVASES!
>>317589173
What the fuck
Realistic =/= Consistence
What do you expect from Bethesda? FO4 is fucking awful compared to FONV and the older games
>>317589648
>FONV was a great game meme
Having a slightly less shit story than FO3 doesn't make it a good game
>>317589173
My god, poor Myron
>>317589648
And its still the clear cut GOTY
Thats how bad the industry is
You can also find jet and Nuka Cola on that Chinese submarine. Bethesda just does not care.
>>317589713
>just fuck my comprehension up lad
I never said FONV was a good game.
>>317589624
This. Shows the difference between teen fanfics and real fantasy ala Conan or LOTR
>>317589281
Negro, you have three seconds to get the fuck out of here before I kick your ugly ass.
>>317589645
>>317589624
>>317589416
In my personal experience - vast majority of public, including majority of /v/ users have problem comprehending the difference between belivability and realism.
I don't know why, but it is just something very difficult to wrap your mind around for people.
I liked jet better when it was a relatively new drug made by Myron.
>>317590078
>>317589416
you know what's worse, people only bring this up when they're proven wrong or can't think of another solution.
Guy in the OP gave a solution to the inconsistancy first and only after that solution was proven false did he fall back on the "it's pretend anyway" fallacy.
If he believed truly that the fictional nature of a video game makes these discussions pointless, why would he have tried to remedy the inconsistency with a possible solution initially?
>>317589142
>told
He's 100% correct.
People complaining that logical consistency is important in a game that you can heal the damage caused by stepping on a mine by taking a sip of pepsi and washing it down with a bag of blood.
lol
>>317590523
These things have nothing to do with one another. You don't even have a point
>>317589173
>It's a fictional setting so it doesn't have to make sense
>>317590523
> logical consistency is important in a game that you can heal the damage caused by stepping on a mine by taking a sip of pepsi and washing it down with a bag of blood
all fallout games did that
but they also told you jet is post war.
>>317590523
>inconsistency in writing is okay because of how game logic is implemented
holy shit you're as bad as him
>>317590593
>in real life, you can't heal a damaged leg by taking a drink of water
>in real life, a drug that was created after an event happened could not have existed before that event happened
You are literally arguing that the way time works in real life is important to recreate in a video game. You are literally arguing that a video game isn't realistic enough.
>>317590695
>time is important to recreate realistically but physics isn't!
>time and physics aren't directly related in real life
You are a fucking buffoon.
>>317590709
In real life, you can't reload a previous save when you die. So I guess all video games should fire all writers because absolutely nothing needs any sense of consistency. Solid argumentation.
>>317590861
>you can't reload a previous save when you die
How do you know that?
>actually defending shitty writing and complete disregard for lore
>>317589173
What a fucking dick. I mean, the game speaks for itself, but this just makes it even more clear that they don't give a fuck.
Don't you meet the inventor of Jet in Fallout 2?
If you establish a canon, doesn't it make more sense to stay inside those rules you've made for your own creation?
I mean, why is there a guy feeding ghouls so they won't die, if they can survive without food for 200 years?
You'd think as a rule it would be best avoiding your players going, "this info conflicts with what I've already been told".
>>317590709
You're a fucking idiot.
>>317589142
>>317589173
how does pete hines continually prove himself to be the worst pr person
>>317590910
Time to find out.
>>317591134
What even is the angle in that response, some petulant insistence on infallibility? Why not just saying "oops well we're a big team and sometimes details slip through the cracks"
Have some fucking grace
>>317591134
how does he keep his job. He's been a moron since, I dunno, Morrowind times?
>>317591096
Yes
>>317591165
I tried it but I forget whether it worked or not.
>>317589416
>>317589173
>Doesn't follow internal logic
Man fuck this guy, makes me furious that I gave these too cool for the room cocksuckers money.
>Lel feck you nerd, fuck continuity, git mone xD
Someone needs to fucking kill this asshole so video games stop being shit. It would have been 10,000x better if he said, "Yeah you know what you're right there's a bit of inconsistency. We'll change the terminal entry but the fridge boy quest is something we overlooked, our bad". Fucking asshole.
>>317589173
>literally publicly admits that bethesda don't give a shit about lore
LOL
>>317591134
I don't even know how he became the PR person, his voice is almost as hilarious and pathetic as Todd's.
>>317589142
>lmao there's not even a date it could be whenever
>>317589173
>who the fuck cares it's fantasy
>>317591248
the angle is "FO4 money bought me a mercedes so fuck you fuck yooooooou hahahhhh"
>>317589173
>>317589142
This is why Bethesda are horrible at writing these games.
>>317590910
You wouldn't be hearing about people who die like a bitch if there was the ability to load.
Everyone would go out in a blaze of glory or at least not like a bitch.
>>317590709
you are comparing a gameplay mechanic to a purely narrative matter, which is the thing we're discussing. You either have no idea what the fuck you're talking about or you're just here to annoy people. It's like saying that one can't talk about how retarded something is in, say, MW2's story, because 'people irl don't regenerate health and respawn, stop arguing about internal narrative logic when shit like that happens!!!'
>>317591248
>>317591372
This, or just don't even answer the fans if you'll just end up looking like a dickhead.
>some petulant insistence on infallibility
This is exactly it, nobody thinks you're cool Chris just because you care less about your game than the fans that are playing it. That doesn't make you look good.
>>317589173
so he basically admits that they didn't give a second thought to the writing at all by refusing to argue the matter
>>317589173
and people seriously, non-ironically, non-sarcastically defend Bethesda
Why does he have to pretend to care when it's obvious he doesn't?
"lol who gives a shit u fucking nerd virgin"
Wish he would have said that 2bh
>>317591523
Pete*
>>317591449
>You wouldn't be hearing about people who die like a bitch if there was the ability to load.
they are living the hardcore lifestyle
>>317589173
speaking of ghouls aren't they supposed to look worse over time, or at the very least like actually disgusting? someone should ask him why they decided to make them look like they are just burn victims
>>317591589
Not just Bethesda, but Bethesda's writing and storytelling.
>>317589173
All he had to say was oops and MAYBE patch it later.Prob just doesnt give a fuck after he got that $.
>>317591590
At least that would have been honest, something I respect. But he pussyfooted around that exact statement in attempt to look diplomatic while saying it. What scum.
>>317589142
>>317589173
>>317591664
Wish they looked like this
>>317589142
>>317589173
Jesus fucking christ.
Just because a world is fantasy / alternate universe, doesn't mean it doesn't have rules
>>317589142
>>317589173
>WWAAAHHHHH THE GHOUL KID WOULDNT HAVE LIVED THAT LONG THIS GAME IS A RIPOFF! MOM TAKE ME TO BEST BUY RIGHT NOW SO WE CAN GET A REFUND
>>317589142
>>317589173
Tbh he's not a dev, he's some kind of PR person. But yeah, reading this reminds me how open Sawyer was/is about the decisions behind FNV. And then people wonder why Obsidian has fanboys.
>>317589173
>ghoul survived without food or water
>your character can also survive without food or water
Seems pretty consistent to me
>>317589173
I thought ghouls just needed radiation to subsist. Is that wrong?
>>317589173
so they left it at that?
no backlash for hines stupidity?
>>317591813
Lazy developers.
>>317591827
you know the rabid fanbase would come for him and pete hines would be left feeling smugger than ever
Alex in here? Made a good response.
These intro S.P.E.C.I.A.L videos break the immersion for me so much.
They imply that vault tec somehow predicted what kind of mutants and stuf will run around in the wasteland.
But who cares, VIOLENCE IS FUN RIGHT GUYS?
>>317591764
exactly if they still looked like the fucking disgusting filth it would give some legitimacy to why people are biased against them. They look like something is barely wrong with them in 4
>>317589173
Bethesda sold out with Oblivion, dont give a fuck about artistic integrity when they are making millions.
Where did people like this come from /v/?
Why would someone that doesn't care about fictional settings be writing one?
Why do people like fictional settings that even the writers don't care about?
Surely it wasn't always like this, Tolkien was popular because he gave a shit about the setting he created. Did something change?
>>317591813
Doesn't radiation heal ghouls? Maybe he survived off the radiation. Instead what we got from Pete was, "Fuck off nerd, I'm busy banging out your mother".
>>317589173
But that quest was fun. It made me chuckle by how absurd it was.
>>317591824
Yes that's completely wrong you retard, they feed on flesh. If you had played and paid attention in a single FO game you'd know that, so that being said what are you even doing in this thread?
With fans like these...
>>317591945
>Why do people like fictional settings that even the writers don't care about?
>Surely it wasn't always like this
It wasn't, the last good bits in the setting are raped remains of FO1 and to lesser extend FO2
>>317589142
>>317589173
For the love of god, i hope someone on steam refunds the game using this as a reason
Pls anon make it happen, and post on twitter for that bethesdafag to see
>>317589142
>Pete Hines
>>317591921It was an inside job after years of secret laborious testing
>>317589173
He has a fair point with the second response.
>>317589173
I love when super lore nerds BTFO the people responsible for the games.
>>317589416
I can't stand it when someone thinks all forms of media needs to be as realistic as possible.
>>317591921
>These intro S.P.E.C.I.A.L videos break the immersion for me so much.
no it doesn't
>>317591664
This. It shouldn't be like this. I actually want to fuck the ghoul shopkeep over at Goodneighbor.
>>317591921
they're riding that iconic vault aesthetic and promotion as much as they can because that's what normies associate with Fallout, they don't care if it doesn't make sense as long as they get to show off their blue pajamas with yellow stripes
>>317591992
>New vegas was dogshite compared to 3
I'm triggered by these shittaste normies
>>317589173
10/10 pr
>>317592070
This was screencapped a week or so before release
>>317591992
fallout4 will give you a heart attack
>from how bad it is
>>317591739
Nice cat
>>317591989
No but that's wrong too. Plenty of moments in Fallout 3 and 4 ghouls flat out say they like radiation, makes them feel stronger and better and essentially does the opposite of radiation sickness. It's never said they can live purely off radiation but it's something Pete could have clinged to if he wasn't a complete autist.
>>317592041
They don't, but it's bad when people use this argument as an excuse to leave a plot hole intact instead of admitting the error and fixing it.
>>317589173
> Alternate universe.
Well, that settles that.
>>317589142
what a fuckin nerd yall need to get a life now
>>317592114
>>317589173
Just proves once again that Bethesda don't care and it really shows in their games. It's a 9-5 job for them, not their passion to create videogames.
>>317589624
Hehh I knoow Right XDDD lmao upvoted!
>>317592070
>WHERE ARE ALL THE THOUSANDS OF NAMELESS RAIDERS AND SUPER MUTANTS TO KILL AND COPY PASTE DUNGEONS
>WHY IS THERE SO MUCH TALKING
>WHERE IS MY BLACK AND WHITE ENDING CHOICE
>people caring fallout lore
bethesta keks ladies and gentlemans
>>317592005
I mean fictional settings in general, not Fallout in particular.
Though it's particularly bad to apply the "fiction doesn't have to make sense" shit to a setting that originally had effort put into making it make sense
Peter Hines is a retard:
>Pete Hines: One of the things we really tried to avoid is surprising the player with whether they've been good or bad. We wanted to be clear to you that you're making a conscious choice to be one or the other. I've played games where I made a choice and I thought I was being the nice guy, and then it's, "Wait, wait, why is he upset?" We didn't want it to be a surprise. Sometimes it's a surprise in terms of how a person reacts if you are being a jerk, but it's not a surprise as to whether you're good or bad.
http://archive.is/IiTZz
>>317592041
is this bait? it doesnt need to be realistic, it just needs to be defined in the world they created. all games ideas should be grounded in the game world, and when something is out of place, people like in OP's pic get upset. they're throwing out game lore and ideas just because they dont care.
if this was bait, 9/10 I did get upset
You all bought Fallout 4, you have literally no leg to stand on
>but I made a grumpy face after giving them 80 dollars, why isnt this company dead yet?
>>317592050
>These intro S.P.E.C.I.A.L videos break the immersion for me so much.
>for me
>me
>no it doesn't
Yeah, tell him how he has to feel!
>complaining about logical consistency in a series that continually reuses bottle caps as currency because lol its funny
>>317592157
It does, actually.
>>317592180
>>317592238
I pirated it, faggot.
>>317590709
>You are literally arguing that the way time works in real life is important to recreate in a video game.
amazed you got people with this
>tfw i didn't even pirated fallout 4
Feels good
>>317592219
He's right though, he just kind of worded it poorly.
i saw a thread a few days ago where someone pointed out that this was already a problem in 3, which beth patched out. It's hard to believe that they made the same mistake twice and just blatantly don't give a shit this time. also fuck you pete you swarmy fuck
>>317592219
It might have been a fake quote but I read once that he said that writing was a low priority when developing Skyrim
>>317592219
Wow
They did precisely the things he said he wanted to avoid
>>317592219
holy fuck, they're literally retarded. I've always thought they make simple games because they know they're making games for simple people, but it's themselves that are simple.
The answer has always been there.
>>317591921
The fact the vaults were all built with the sole purpose of human experimentation then I wouldn't be surprised that the great war was an inside job and the ones responsible are still around monitoring things.
>>317592262
>>317591989
Calm down you fucking autist. They heal off radiation, so why couldn't they just survive off it?
>>317591992
why would anyone wanna eat something like that
>>317592342
Stop it faggot, i can only get so mad
>>317592010
We need massive refunds here
>>317592132
It's not wrong, they fucking feed off flesh. Drugs allow us to feel better, ignore pain and heal, but we still need food to survive. Ghouls' food source is flesh, their medication is radiation. I agree that he could have clung to that idea, but saying that I'm wrong about Ghouls feeding on flesh when it's a major point of conflict in every fucking game is just stupid.
>>317589173
>Bethesda are fucking hacks that don't care for lore?
color me fucking surprised.
>>317592248
"guys this subtle logical inconsistency is really breaking my immersion!"
no, it isn't, you complaining whining piece of shit lol
>>317592262
>considering they had years to make it
Why would someone talk if they're wrong?
>>317591921
>implying those videos are canon
I bet you think Vault-Tec made a Pip-Boy model that people could put smart phones in.
>>317592342
>>317592383
Last one
>>317592307
No he's not.
>>317592331
This.
>HATE NEWSPAPER
>>317592352
We heal with drugs, so why don't we just eat drugs to live?
>>317589173
>>317589142
this shit drives me up a fucking wall
>>317592194
People always decide before release if they will like a game or not
Just think of Bioshock 2 (it's shit because different dev team) or Resident evil 6 (it's shit because the Chris trailer was shit)
These initial reactions were so strong, people are still can't look past them years later
>>317592425
>Jamal's the only one with a sensible opinion
>>317592406
Christ, fine they feed on flesh.
>>317592358
>why would anyone wanna eat something like that
that's the ironically hilarious part of the whole thing
nobody would ever actually be happy with 10lbs of unnecessary shit being packed into their burger. it's unnecessary and wasteful, and simply having more doesn't make it better.
quality > quantity
>>317592262
>I' going to love it, no matter what. Shitty or fucking not. I will love it and cherish it.
Seriously, this is the fanbase we deal with, they don't even care if its shit as long as bethesda made it.
IM ANGRY RAAAH
>>317592434
He's talking about how the dialogue options should be clear (something they fucked up with the wheel, lol). I'm sure if you asked Sawyer about "hey Josh, do you think dialogue options should be presented clearly to the player so he can make a conscious decision about his tone" he'd say "yes". Now, the long-term consequences is an another thing entirely.
>>317592114
>skyrim was 80 square miles
it wasn't even 20
>>317592262
I want to punch that Tanner in the fucking face. Holy shit.
>>317592496
To be fair, RE6 had a lot more wrong with it than Chris even if I enjoyed it.
>>317589173
he is right. You are all fucking autistic.
next time some neckbeard will whine that enemies survive more than one bullet.
>>317589173
You could make the argument that the ghoul survived off of radiation
>>317592238
>buying bethesda games
>in the year of our lord 2015
>>317592496
not really
>>317589173
>>317589142
>Fallout 1 and 2 are noncanon
>they never played fallout 1 or 2
>>317592336
Vault-Tec is actually a Chinese company that passed as American to the US Government in order to lock up people most likely to survive nuclear strikes and experiment on them.
>>317589142
>>317589173
Boils down to "we own the IP go fuck yourself"
>>317592480
because drugs are expensive and give addiction in return.
not every npcs are reload gods.
Is it possible the gent who claimed to have invented Jet was less than truthful?
Is it out of the realm of possibility he simply found a way to replicate a pre war drug and simply lied about inventing it?
>>317589142
>doesn't say what year that was posted
Did this nigga even play Fallout 4? That terminal is in a Vault-Tec building, that entry is written by a Doctor and talks about shipping supplies to a Vault. Of course it's fucking pre-war.
>>317589173
>It's okay to shit on pre-established facts in the Fallout Universe because we have wacky super mutants xDD
God damn why does this fucking idiot still have a job?
>>317591992
This is the exact same as someone on /v/ saying F3 is better than NV and then getting a bunch of reaction image and green text replies -
>Fallout 3
>good
>>317592579
No he's not.
He's replying to "Were you tempted to make the Karma system a little more morally ambiguous?".
That has nothing to do with unclear dialogue options.
>>317589173
Wow I didn't give a shit until this asshole got super dismissive. It's one thing not to care about the universe but if you're fucking, oh I dunno, WORKING ON IT, maybe you shoudl care a little.
>>317592593
xD
I want to chalk this up to being lazy.
But really. People take it too seriously.
>>317592358
As a member of the United States of Burgerstan, even I am slightly off put by that vulgar display or animal products.
>>317591921
The Fallout world is a simulation of what to expect after the bombs drop. Read the fallout 1 manual.
>>317592694
Karma system should be morally unambiguous as possible. Of course, it also probably should be fucking removed for being dumb, but as long as it exists it should be pretty clear.
>>317591764
I wish someone made a mod to make them look like this
>>317592457
>Piper asks for an interview
>shes a very sarcastic person
>dialogue option simple says "SARCASTIC"
>pick it thinking character will comment on how sarcastic she is
>character refuses the interview
10/10
>>317592664
No you retard, because there's no substance in drugs. There's no proper nutrition or energy that would allow someone to survive for extended periods of time.
>>317590523
>it's a fantasy universe therefore we can tell you the opposite of what we told you in another game in the series in the past
>12M shipped
This shit doesn't matter. You fags will eat up all Bethesda's feces and like it.
>>317592675
Even if Myron was full of shit that he invented Jet, which yes I agree is a possibility, or maybe someone else on the west coast figured it out or something.
It's STILL is made of the fumes of Brahmin shit, a creature that didn't exist pre-war. There's no way Vault-Tec could have shipped it to a vault.
>>317592593
>Calling people autistic
>On /v/ of all places
Where do you think you are shitposter?
>tfw bethshit spent 7 years developing the app fallout shelter.
>>317589173
>>317589281
Apparently the game is so shit that not even the writers care about it, and pretty much just admitted it, and still people will defend this shit and call it GOTY.
>>317589173
>"if its a fantasy setting its okay to go full retard!"
man i hate people like that
>>317592697
you'd be mad if you wanted to immerse yourself in a story and then have retarded inconsistencies constantly pull you back out
Imagine watching harry potter and v from vendetta just walks in and throws a knife at voldemort just cause of memes
>>317589173
What the fuck is wrong with gaming if fucking piece of shit made by people like this is the biggest release of the year and is both praised by everyone and a huge commercial success.
>>317592480
It's not the same thing you fucking mongoloid. Radiation is basically magic in the Fallout universe and ghouls have a different physiologythan humans. Why couldn't they?
>>317592725
Yeah, nah. The manual was just an instruction on how to use PipBoy ie. the game's HUD/GUI
>>317592679
>God damn why does this fucking idiot still have a job?
Because the game sold like fucking hotcakes. All the people on this board who let the shilling win should be ashamed. Have fun getting your dick gouged by 4 $15-20 DLCs, retards. I'll be buying the complete game in a year and a half or so for 30 bucks max.
>>317592342
>how can you have an opinion of the game before it's even out
>BUT I ALREADY LOVE IT, AND WON'T COMPLAIN ABOUT THE PEOPLE SAYING THEY ALREADY LOVE IT, ONLY NEGATIVE OPINIONS ARE BAD
>>317589281
IT'S JUST A GAME BRO
People like you are the reason the vidya industry has such low standards
>>317592675
It's a alternative universe post-apoc game w/ talking mutants and ghouls stop trying to make sense of it >:^(
>>317592238
But I didn't. I don't even pirated it.
>>317592808
That's stupid
If it heals HP, it must have substance
>THIS MIGHT HAVE HAPPENED POST BOMBS
>it's abundantly clear through visual clues and terminal notes that these were the actual vault inhabitants, not people forced into the place after it had opened
The fact that he tries to pretend otherwise just proves what fucktards they are
>>317592893
Radiation is radiation
FEV is FEV
>>317592358
I'd eat it in a smaller scale, a burger with brisket on top sounds good
>"You humans made us, Now pay for your arrogance!"
What did he mean by this?
>>317592892
except these based French guys
>>317592496
I thought re6 was fun, but that's because i played local coop with a friend, and we made chris punching boulder jokes
Playing devils advocate here, but consistency is nigh fucking impossible to maintain unless one person has full control of the lore. When you switch dev teams and writers, there's no way small details like that won't get fucked up
>>317589142
>>317589173
It's just a fucking game, devs don't see games like players, to them it's just and making money.
Why is that fag so upset about it ? I bet if they removed Jets everyne would cry about it.
Fucking "gamers", as most of you fags like to call yourselves, are the most whinny fucking cunts.
Get it over with, stop playing the game if such little pointless detail bothers you so much.
>>317592892
Because if you're thinking about this shit you're obviously not the audience Bethesda wants to make their games for. I wonder how long until they stop making RPGs altogether because that's clearly the direction they want to go in, making action games and shooters. They have Arkane and id to help them respectively.
>>317589173
Someone give that kid a fedora, Jesus Christ NO ONE GIVES A FUCK ABOUT THIS SHIT.
>>317592908
>I'll be buying the complete game
Why it'll still be shit, just with more uninspired shit to do and some OP items
>>317592892
Welcome to life.
>>317592893
Because it's stated they eat flesh for sustenance all over the place? That's what all of the huge human-ghoul relationship issues revolve around, if you had played a single game you would realise that.
>>317592958
HP is a gameplay mechanic, it means jack shit.
>>317593005
i dont get it
shooting?
>Caring about lore
>In fallout
It's not exactly a series with a high pedigree.
>make it to the institute
>meet synth shaun
>freaks out refuses to acknowledge me in any way shape or form
>roll in later to kill my shit son
>about to blow the fuckers sky high
>little synth shaun shows up out of nowhere
>h-help me daddy
>I actually really love you
>pssh... nothin personnel kid you made your choice
was that supposed to be some heartwrenching decision because it really felt forced in at the end
>>317592908
Shilling has nothing to do with. Bethesda is simply a household name for casuals who think they're big time RPG fans, but in all honestly just want a simple accessible games associated with IP "cred" they can boast and talk about on their social networks.
>>317593020
which is why it wouldn't be that bad if he simply had replied 'whooops we didn't notice', instead he had to act like a stubborn retard. The reasons are still beyond me.
>>317593086
t. explosive retardo
>>317593086
RPG as in rocket propelled grenade.
>>317593019
you make a valid point but the errors bethesda makes are the kind that would be very easily avoided if they would even bother learning some of the original lore and not just the names and functions of things
>>317593019
And that's fair enough. But in that case, the answer is "sorry, we fucked up," and not "lol who cares nerd."
>>317592496
Dude, RE6 has a FUCKLOAD wrong with it.
Is it fun? yes. Is mercs fantastic? Yes. Is it a good RE game, especially after RE4, NO.
Bioshock 2 hate is understandable. I dislike Bioshock 2 and Bioshock 1 is my personal all time favorite(just hits everything right for me, but its like an 8/10 game)
2 just has worse atmosphere right off the bat. Being a giant hulking big daddy just ruins all the immersion I get from BS1 being a normal human.
Your story is less important, or comes off less important. Rapture really didnt need anymore time spent in it, especially POST Bioshock 1 rapture.
A lot of the intial mystique is gone if you played BS1.
Underwater sections were pointless, while good looking.
Big Sisters were actually great.
It did have better combat for an action game, but I found BS1 to play out better in the long run due to being weaker and having less balls to the wall action.
Thats really what BS2 is, its just a very actiony BS1 that loses a lot of its luster because of that in the atmosphere/story department.
Also little sister aspect was fucking horrible in 2. BUT, seeing the world through the little sisters eyes and that whole moment is 10/10.
>>317592652
Honestly you should write for Bethesda. That would be best story in the next game so it can take place on the west coast. A chinese remnant armada arrives and basically starts fucking everyones shit. They speak a different language and have seemingly no interest in any of the settlements or factions, warring with everyone they encounter. As the main quest progresses you discover they're behind that and as a result were (slightly) better prepared then America. Now, 250+ years after the war, run by Chairman who's life is prolonged in some fashion they have reclaimed hegemony in China, began rebuilding and reclaiming tech like NRA/Brotherhood of Steel is trying to do. And who's invasion fleet finally arrives near the start of Fallout 5. Also a Point Lookout style DLC where you travel to Alaska.
BAM! A story way better than what Bethesda can come up with.
>>317593073
>it means jack shit
>get shot
>LOL IT DOESN'T MATTER BECAUSE BOOLETS ARE GAMEPLAY
>>317592041
I have a "friend" like this. He thinks that everything should be a borderline fucking documentary.
He once criticised House of Cards, a drama about power, by saying "It dramatises power a bit, doesn't it?"
>>317593089
>It's ok to change everything in the game
Hey can someone explain why the skeletons in undertale talk? And all the furry people? Could you explain how a robot is somehow a fag? Just because it's a FANTASY video game doesn't mean it shouldn't make sense.
>>317593165
>t.
stop this shit
>>317593005
>>317593086
An RPG is a type of weapon.
It's a pun.
>>317592808
It has in fallout :^)
>>317593027
Dishonored has much more consistent world and better storytelling than Fallout 4 (and 3 for that matter).
>>317593209
t. anti-memerI've helped him get the joke anyway
>>317593019
Obviously it's impossible to be 100% consistent all of the time.
It doesn't follow from that you shouldn't try to be consistent.
It's like saying there's not point in fixing bugs because there will always be bugs
>>317593165
>>317593175
I was only pretending
lol
>>317592908
Why are you even buying it at all?
>>317593267
nice
>>317593198
>A minor side quest and a computer screen 90% of the player base won't even read CHANGES EVERYTHING
Nice exaggeration. Ebin Bethesda hate may may bro
>>317589142
>>317589173
Probably thing that bugs me the most is the post war chems in pre war locked containers and every prewar gun BEING A FUCKING PIPEGUN HOLY SHIT. Would it hurt to just put some 10mm, .44s and shit in the locked 200 year old safe instead of a gun cobbled together from scrap?
>>317592317
That was back when they were trying their hardest to not piss off long time fans of the franchise(to no avail as we all know). Now that they have literally billions of people who'll eat up whatever they shit out, they couldn't give any less of a fuck and it shows.
>>317592725
Bullshit.
>>317593253
It has better consistency than any fallout but 1 and nv.
>>317591992
>tell all the normies on facebook that I think Fallout 4 sucks dick
>the normies actually agree with me
>>317593309
It hurts that no one would notice it at all. Because they never played the other games.
>>317593192
>get shot
>eat some moldy bread
>bullet wound suddenly closes up nicely, ejecting all metal
Man, I should try that in real life then if HP is a real thing and not just constructed for gameplay.
>>317589142
Pete Hines is the fucking businessman, why would he give a shit. He's not in charge of the lore or any of that shit, all he ever does is spew PR talk because his only interest is maaaaaaaaaaaaking moooooooooneeeeeey
>>317593086
I'm not sure if bait, joke or actually missing the joke, so I'mma explain anyway.
It's a dude firing a missile launcher.
The other name for a missile is a Rocket Propelled Grenade, RPG.
>>317592413
Yes, it does. Do you forget how invested some people are in the consistency of role playing games like this? Seriously, come on.
Learn how to use commas properly. Don't be such a butthead.
>>317593407
you should actually try that
>>317593401
No one reads the computer logs you tard.
>>317589173
Pete Hines sounds like he doesn't play these games, he probably has better things to do like getting sex and cashing his massive paycheques
>>317593481
You shouldn't be playing RPGs then
Which you abide to, since you play Fallout4
>>317592342
>"Skyrim? Yeah, go shhh in a corner."
>"Must be a sky rim player." Aha noob."
>tfw FO3 players think they're superior to Skyrim players
>>317589142Doesn't Fallout 4 take place 10 years after 3?
>>317593609
Yes?
>>317589142
>>317589173
trying so hard to be the "red shirt guys"
>>317589142
Not to defend inconsistencies but why the fuck would you tweet the VP of Bethesda about it. I don't even know why he responded.
>>317591106
The jet one I understand, but the Ghoul one can at least be chalked up to a rare and unusual exception to the rule.
>>317592480
the main character does that though. He pretty much lives off of stimpacks
Reminder that Fallout 3 and 4 are non-canon.
Life is much better when you realize this
>>317593315
That pisses me off so much as someone who maxed lockpicking first. OOH A MASTER LOCKED SAFE IN A BANKVAULT, 13 prewar muns and a pipe pistol. Seriously, the fuck? Just like caps stashes are like 22-30 caps when you don't take the caps perk. I find more caps in peoples pockets, fucking lunch costs more than that in Diamond City, so why the fuck are they "stashing" so few caps in hidden locations?
>>317593027
If they stop making RPG's, they go bankrupt.
As soon as, for example, Fallout 5 goes full FPS/Rage, you bet it'll be a comercial failure. It's a shallow rpg, but it is one nonetheless and is Bethesda differential in the industry.
>>317589281
Your skin is the same color are these two gentleman?
>>317593590
>>317593472
>Yes, it does. Do you forget how invested some people are in the consistency of role playing games like this? Seriously, come on.
>unreasonable people have unreasonable demands
>therefore you should account for being responsible for everything unreasonable.
You're an idiot. You can't please everyone, and implying that a company should do more work and invest more money into satisfying a disproportionately small percentage of the population is retarded.
Yeah, it's a fuck up. The game has plenty more giant fuck ups in comparison to that. It's a logical inconsistency, and it slipped through the cracks, and the guy is being a dipshit for not owning up to it.
But it's not worth complaining about, at all. It's an extremely small, extremely subtle fuck up that less than a fraction of a percentage of players would have even noticed. That is the literal definition of nitpicking.
>>317592041
>>317593193
Realism =/= internal consistency for the SEVEN HUNDREDTH FUCKING TIME YOU DUMB MONGRELS
>>317593315
just like when you find skeletons holding pipe pistols... like, wtf?
>>317593086
It's a joke.
What they mean is Rocket Propelled Grenade as the only RPG element of the role playing game.
Imagine if you were playing football and someone just pulled out another football from under their shirt and ran it to the endzone and everyone agreed that it was a touchdown
would you be ok with it?
>>317592773
>Sarcastic is an option in almost all fucking conversations
>"Maybe this time it will comment on her being sarcastic instead of me being a snarky faggot!"
>>317591267
I just fucking want Obsidian to make a new Fallout game, sure you can skill check your way through everything but at least they give a fuck about lore, since Obsidian as a company was founded by people who made the first 2 Fallout games.
>>317593315
>>317593957
It just works okay?
>>317593982
It's just a game man, who fucking cares. Get a life, tryhard.
>>317593801
"It wasn't actually jet, it was a different drug that they coincidentally gave the same name back then. It's entirely different than the post-war drug called jet."
WOW THANK YOU BETHESDA
THIS IS TOTALLY NOT BREAKING MY IMMERSION ANYMORE!
