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Updates and Discussion for English and Japanese games, visual novels, RPGs, etc.
Previous thread: >>1986889
Lists of Yuri Games:
http://pastebin.com/CzPSSSRy
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/4oc1uvr5vl96m/Yuri
http://store.steampowered.com/curator/6864182-Hella-Yuri/
https://vndb.org/g1986?fil=tagspoil-0.tag_inc-1986
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Atelier Series - >>1864160
Kindred Spirits (Spoilers) - >>1974383
Life is Strange - >>1967578
Can someone tell me who the characters that arerelated as mother, daughter and sistersare in Escalation?
I don't have time to play it yet but I'm curious what the context for the images is.
>>1990581
Honestly onee-sama you could have found this out for yourself.
>>1990578
>no nipples
why tho
>>1990636
Because they're squashed together
This was rather on the nose.
>>1990636
They're pressed up against each other. Other CGs have nipples.
>>1990649
Has a full CG gallery been posted yet?
>>1990651
yes
>>1990651
Since nearly 4 years ago
>>1990578
I don't know why but it took me like five minutes (and finally looking it up on iqdb) to figure out what couple that was. I guess they made very little of an impression on me.
>>1990651
It's on Sadpanda but I don't see much need to look up all the GCs before I actually read the VN so I didn't look at them.
Here's a sample if you're curious.
>>1990681
Did you simply skip through all their scenes or what? They're quite easily recognizable. There's the couch, too.
>>1990681
I on the other hand wouldn't have recognized who that couple was until I noticed the earrings and identified black hair as sasa.
So has anyone here romanced NotTharja in the new FE yet?
How does /u/ feel about protagonists who aren't a sub in any route? Do you like to see flexible partners?
>>1990718
>How does /u/ feel about protagonists who aren't a sub in any route? Do you like to see flexible partners?
I wasn't aware that the majority of /u/ games were BDSM. Do you mean, actively pursuing a romantic partner instead of being pursued by one? Do you mean a butch/femme thing? (Of course, Yasumi's more femmey than Syouko, but it was definitely Yasumi doing the pursuing)
>>1990745
I just meant in terms of sex scenes, it's always the protagonist in charge of giving sexual pleasure but never getting any back, so you don't get a chance to see them being vulnerable or submissive in a sexual sense.
>>1990747
I'd think it was a little weird if the protagonist is never touched, unless there was a good explanation in her personality. I mean, lesbian sex is by nature more evenly balanced than pairings relying on I-penetrate-you-receive, and even in those you expect both parties to get pleasure out of it.
If the protagonist is a vampire or a stone butch or has some other explanation of why she doesn't want to be touched but derives enjoyment solely from touching someone else, it could be okay.
I may still be completely missing your point thoughs.
>>1990747
In other words, it would be a protag who was firmly tachi. Nothing wrong with that.
>>1990759
That's the term I was looking for but didn't know existed, thank you.
The music in Yurirei, with the voices and all that, anyone know what that is or is called?
Like I want more of it but I don't know what to look for.
Closest I can think of is scat singing and that is still pretty far off.
>>1990767
I think it's called mongolian throat singing.
>>1990767
You're looking for engrish
Here, have some on me:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2rV8oKWSdM
>>1990759
I'm now even more confused, since in different places I see tachi/neko being used to mean:
- exactly the same as butch/femme, it's about who's more masculine
- solely about who's doing the pursuing romantically, a kitten is shy and gets caught by the other
And various other things. I've certainly not been hearing it said that a tachi is supposed to never receive sexual pleasure, what's the point in sex then?
>>1990773
Seme/uke reversibility is one of the wonderful aspects of Yuri, my dear onee-sama.
And it can work. I can think of one example where only one side was on the receiving end. The protag is always the one receiving in Kanojo to Kanojo to Watashi no Nanoka (7 days with the ghost). Her two heroines are always the one teasing and pleasuring her. The person who made this said that he/she didn't like reversing and so, wrote it like that.
I personally find that reversing, especially in such a situation where one is so dominant in the relationship, is very delicious though. Shame we didn't get to see Anna flustered.
>>1990643
Not nearly as on the nose as this scene or that one following it.
>>1990834
I'm new here what is this?
>>1990838
digimon game
>>1990839
Damn.
anyone here can recommend a yuri game or vn that is not in japanese? thx
>>1990877
If you haven't played Embric of Wulfhammer Castle by now, you're lacking
>>1990877
yuri ghosts is the popular one right now.
>>1990877
The recommendation lists in the OP aren't there just to increase the character count.
>>1990891
ya but that's just a list. i don't know off the bat what the gud ones are.
>>1990877
I tried playing this but the fonts are all screwed up. Its probably something I did the last time I tried to install an old rpg maker game on window 10, but I can't figure out how to fix it.
>>1990773
If you're looking in English, you're pretty likely to see people using terms wrongly, especially where there's correlations to mislead them (like you'll find "doujin" being used to mean all ero manga).
The key point of the tachi role is being in control during sex. It doesn't mean they necessarily don't receive stimulation, but on one end of the Japanese lesbian "sexuality" spectrum there are tachi who don't want their partner doing that. It doesn't make sex pointless for them.
>>1990941
my good sir, what game does this partake from?
>>1990960
Skullgirls is it not? As far as I know though, nothing /u/ about it.
Surprised that no one mentioned Tokyo Necro by N+
The female protagonist got a pretty decent ending with her beloved sister.
>>1991018
It was discussed pretty heavily, you missed it.
>>1991018
>Girl with glasses
Instantly killed any possible interest I could have
>>1991018
I made posts about it in the two threads before the previous
>>1991021
Thats some shitty taste right there.
>>1991035
>no archives
Just like the good old days.;_;
AAdev here, I know alot of anons don't use tumblr so I made a lemma thread for those that would still like to track progress:
http://lemmasoft.renai.us/forums/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=37259
I only have one more update that I'll be able to share with /u/ anytime soon, as the rest of the art assets will take a while.
>>1991158
To be honest I just check out anything posted/linked here. I'm not gonna go follow something on lemmasoft's forums any more than on tumblr, but I'll click on tumblr links or whatever for individual updates.
>>1990839
Best digimon game yet
>>1991246
should've gone for the boobs
>>1990834
Why is Ami such a pimp with the ladies?
>>1991302
She's got the power of a harem mc while the density got passed onto one of her LIs.Yuuko~chan's pretty good with the ladies as well.
>>1991311
>LIs
?
>>1990643
Bigger version.
>>1991457
Love Interests
I am also totally bullshitting since there isn't really romance in the game though Nokia would definitely be one. Along with Yuuko
>>1991464
Kyoko is the canon love interest
>>1991485
This is true, out of ever girl Kyoko is center focus for obvious reasons.
http://gematsu.com/2016/02/medabots-girls-mission-demo-now-available-japan
Any kind anons who want to try it out?
>>1991534
I am actually playing it right now, from the looks of it theres various story mode for each girl and you can pick partners
>>1991538
How /u/ is it so far?
>>1991540
I can't really judge yet but from the Rokusho version the MC has the strict friend and flirts with one of the girls
Anyone know where to find CGs for Tokyo Necro? I don't know how long it usually takes for them to come out after a game's release.
Also, any chance that it'll eventually be picked up for translation?
Reading J-MENT's twitter right now feels kinda bittersweet (my moon's shit so not sure about some things)
>10 years ago, Katahane nearing release
>CEO plays the trial, "This shit's great"
>preorder numbers arrive
>CEO, shocking everyone: "Welp, these numbers mean we're closing down"
>company insolvent, Katahane discs almost immediately relegated to the bargain bins in stores.
>come 2012, obtained rights to sell the soundtrack, released a new edition, 4k copies, for everyone who couldn't get their hands on it back then
>J: "Well, that duty's fulfilled, I suppose"
>2015, the remaining stock ends up at 10mile
>Put it on sale, sold out in less than a fucking hour, people who didn't get it asking if there's more
>"Maybe we should do a re-re-release or something?"
>"On that note, 10 years have passed and people still remember it, wow."
>Saw a dream that the game went on re-sale and everyone was excited and shit.
>Nothing to lose, asked the rights holder about the rights
>"A'ight, you can have 'em".
>"Seriously?!"
>So it's possible to release it now -> "What if we do a remaster version, cram lots of stuff in it and all?"
>"Go ahead!"
So that's how the 1280x720 remaster currently in the works came to be.
And right now 10mile's CEO, who previously said at GLF that there's a "60-70%" chance of a Vita version (J: "is it okay to say that?", CEO: "Yep, it's a great fucking game, I'm sure it can sell, everyone's waiting for it"), is in talks about said version and apparently there's a fifty-fifty chance and the biggest hindrance towards a Vita version are shitty sales of the original.
Any difference between 2DJGAME and girlcelly?
>>1991650
So now there's a chance that the game will be successful now, and that's why they're making a remaster, all right.
Perhaps 10 years ago times were still not mature enough for yuri? Or was it due to bad marketing? Sometimes that's the reason why something flops even if it's really good.
>>1991674
Probably a case of the company sparing no expense because they felt they were developing the next genre masterpiece, but when the deadline hit they realized their overspending meant they needed impossible sale numbers to stay afloat and everything came crashing down.
>>1991674
Probably more a matter of the difficulty of marketing it. For one thing you can't convey via marketing that it's good. People only believe that by going through it themselves or by reputation. Tarte's previous games were mediocre.
>>1991650
Would've bought it but the het turned me off from it.
>>1991690
yeah it's yuri but there's so much het and boring POV from crotchety old men to sit through.
>>1991680
Well, social media weren't so popular back then, so now at least there's hope that it will also get some visibility through word of mouth.
>>1991616
It's normally faster than this, but I think Tokyo Necro has a new engine so there might not be a tool that can extract the images.
It ought to have a chance of translation. It's probably the most impressive ADV in the last couple of years and it's straightforwardly enjoyable in a way that seems like it would go over well with a western audience. On the other hand, not many titles get localized and maybe, unless it had something like an anime, its profile in the west might stay low.
>>1991650
This makes me pretty happy to read. Katahane is probably my favorite VN after yurirei.
>>1991739
>probably the most impressive ADV in the last couple of years
If this is true, isn't this
>unless it had something like an anime
pretty much a given? Don't popular porn VNs tend to have non-porn anime/manga adaptations?
I remember seeing that the artist of Katahane worked on another game. Was primarily het, but there were like half a dozen yuri side pairings. Forgot what it was.
>>1991785
It's hard to make comparisons. The closest somewhat recent PC bishoujo game that's impressive in a similar sense was Mahoutsukai no Yoru and that doesn't have an anime.
Even it sells well, only a fraction of the high selling PC bishoujo games in the last few years have had anime adaptations.
And it would be pointless if Tokyo Necro got adapted like Grisaia or Walkure Romanze.
>>1991792
I think u got that wrong, the artist went and made a a 100% yuri game.
>>1991792
https://vndb.org/v12416. Bam fuck u het anon
>>1991819
Chill the fuck out. Why are you even offended? Maybe anon was talking about a different game? I don't know if that game anon is talking about exists but Qualia certainly doesn't have half a dozen pairings.
>>1991821
Yeah. I think the title of the game was Volume7. It had several unlockable yuri side stories.
Flowers preorders are up. Seems they're aiming for March https://jlist.com/jast010
>>1991843
Will it be on steam?
>>1991847
You could follow the link.
>This is the Limited Edition of the game, which includes:
>• The game on DVD-ROM
>• Two acrylic figures (3.5 inches high) with stands
>• Three dual-sided laminated postcards showing illustrations and backgrounds from the game (display them behind the figures)
>• Steam key
>>1991843
>39.95$
I'll just wait for digital version.
>>1991843
I'll triple dip.
>>1991843
What are the odds that it will actually happen
>>1991892
Zero
They always announce release dates at least in month advance
Are there other games involving mother/daughter incest beyond >>1990581?
>>1991899
yes
>>1991912
>Seisai no Resonance
What exactly happened there and why did her mom change colors? Can't read moon.
>>1991903
That's not very nice.
>>1991899
The one in my dreams that will never come to fruition due to me being unskilled at everything
>>1991924
the censure looks like a zipper
>>1991924
>What exactly happened there and why did her mom change colors? Can't read moon.
Pretty big spoilersShe has two mothers. There's a gate to Yomi that's on the island where the game's set. The red haired one, Miku, had rescued the other from being part of the ancient seal on the gate. She was in spirit form having long ago lost her own body so had to copy Miku's, so that's why the blonde one, Mirai, looks nearly the same. Then they had a daughter together, Kanae. After raising Kanae for several years away from the island (which Mirai can't leave), Miku goes back and chooses to become part of the seal on the gate. Several more years later Kanae comes in search of her. In most endings Mirai joins Miku in the seal, but there's one route where she and Kanae become lovers.
So Summon Night 6 is getting an English version but just two things:
1. It's going to be an Asia version with English subtitles. I never played that Sword Fart Online game so I can't really tell what the translation quality will be. 2. The game isn't even out yet in Japan so no one knows what the yuri level will be, if any
>>1991938
Its going to be in Slingish expect Lao
>>1991935>Then they had a daughter together, Kanae.
Oh my
>>1991981
>>1991985I'm not sure if I like the fact that the mom/daughter romance route is one of the few where the otherwise-dominant MC isn't the one in control, or if I would've preferred her to dominate her mom too.
Help /u/.
>>1991988
meant to quote >>1991935
>>1991843
I want to want this but being the first in a 4-part series which won't be translated for many years really holds me back.If there are pictures of those figures floating around I might change my mind
>>1991992Not very exciting.
>>1991018
Englisch?
>>1991935
Do Kanae and Miraiknow they're mother and daughter before becoming lovers?
>>1991996
Guess I will just buy digital
>>1991996
Eh. Was hoping for proper figures... Still buying to balance out my shelf.
>>1992034
What did you expect for the price?
It'd be a whole lot more expensive if those were proper figures.
>>1992028Mirai certainly knew from the beginning (she wouldn't have much trouble recognizing her daughter). If I remember right, she ended up having to tell Kanae the day after the sex scene.
>>1992041
Well, I didn't mean like full size really nice figures that can be posed and have their clothes come off, I was thinking like the sort of rubbery chibi figures you get on keychains.
>>1992048
How did she take it?
>>1992050A bit nonplussed, but glad to know rather than angry or disgusted. Kanae's big objective in coming to the island was to find Miku but she'd learned that Miku was permanently part of the seal and that Mirai planned to join her (to stabilize the seal and stop anyone else being sacrificed to it). Kanae was already resistant to accepting that, and learning that Mirai was also her mother mostly just made her more determined to keep Mirai with her.
>>1991843
Anyone know if they have a free shipping code running? I found a 5% off discountMOE-S16-GS2CYOthat stacks with the 10% off pre-order discount and I resigned myself that $34 isn't terrible for part 1 of 4 but the shipping options are insane. $11 for US priority mail is the cheapest option.
>>1990578
Another Kickstarter project with girl x girl romance option
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/unwonted/catch-canvas
>>1992130
>unironically designing a character with an open cleavage sweater
It's doomed.
>>1992130
>Choosable gender
>Romance options are available for any characters
Let me guess, voiceless/faceless protagonist with little to no personality who everybody loves because they're just so goddamn awesome and manage to get on well with anybody.
Well, at least CGs are... decent. Backgrounds look a little flimsy, as if somebody just traced over a 3D-model.
>Nachan
Nevermind, dropped.
>>1991018
> tokyo necro
did someone upload all the cgs yet?
alternatively did someone do an LP yet?
>>1992150
>did someone upload all the cgs yet?
No. I tried extracting it, but for some reason DNFE refuses to work with TN's files.
>>1992142
>>Nacchan
Based on the profile she's probably a weeb whose real name is Natalie or something.
Still, I endured the writing of Written in the Sky and the clearly non-Japanese girl calling her teacher "sensei" so they might actually be playing it perfectly serious.
In other news, based on the latest Patreon update it seems Sakura Adventure is going to be yuri. So that's two yuri games from Winged Cloud... say what you want about them, at least they release games.and then I have a release of my own.
>>1992161
Does it have a gallery you can view?
Could just take screenshots of everything
>>1992165
>the clearly non-Japanese girl calling her teacher "sensei"
>>1992166
It has. Of course, you'll need to unlock everything first.
>>1992150
Are LPs of eroges allowed?
If not, I'll keep my hopes up for an anime. Nitroplus works do have a habit of geting animated adaptations and they're interested in the western market. Although I wouldn't mind getting a real copy since the cgs are so nice.
>>1992315
> Are LPs of eroges allowed?
They should be, I saw a couple on youtube
Also I found a couple of Tokyo Necro ones already, though neither are very far into the VN and I don't know if either is doing an Ethica run
>>1992315
They're generally banned on twitch, but on forums and youtube they get by (often with a bit of editing over the H scenes)
>>1992360
really it's a matter of whether the people in charge care
the twitch mods are known to be extremely anal about the rules but youtube shouldn't give a fuck unless a video gets mass reported.
how slow-paced is the first flowers? Like katahane tier slow or do things actually happen that aren't introspection or making tea?
>>1992395
There's a main mystery that picks up somewhat into the game but you can bet there's a lot of tea and thinking about books between some scenes of your roommates holding your hand. It's not too slow though.
The demo for Flowers is out on Steam
http://store.steampowered.com/app/445440
Sadly... This doesn't really inspire confidence in full product. Just in few minutes of reading I've accross lots of typos, right-clicking out of config causes the sound to bug out, and for some reason text only uses half of the box which causes many of the lines go to second box awkwardly.
Also from what I heard from my moon-knowing friends, translation is pretty bad too.
Speaking of Seisai no Resonance, whatever happened to that black-haired gunner chick and the red head senpai witch that was pinning after her?
>>1992442
>your
It's shit like this that makes me doubt professional translation projects.
>>1992447
Hey, we just got Kindred Spirits, and that had really good translation.
>>1992448
One was from Mangagamer and the other was JAST who has a bad record
>>1992442
It keeps happening.
Just finished Nagi's route for Seisai no Resonance
Are Mirai's or Yayako's route better than Nagi's route?I lost all will to go through the rest after finishing Nagi's route.
>>1992445They end up together from all the routes I've went to so far except if you choose Yuu's route.
>>1991935
Wait, how'd they have the child? Magic?
>>1992442
Example of a bad line break. This happens really often.
Anyway, not gonna complain about the demo any more in this thread. I'm just kind of disappointed.
>>1992455
If I remember correctly Nagi is the best route in terms of writting but if you feel like it try the other routes
>>1992450
oh wow that's pretty bad. ive playedstarlessand that has tons of typos and horrible grammar in the final version.
>>1992455
where did you download the game?
>>1992460
This is such a pretty game too.
It deserves better.
>>1992472
Definitely. I feel for you, my fellow imoutos.
Can anyone tweet SuginaMiki to let him know his daughters are being reduced to idiots who can't even speak proper English?
>>1992460
Do they not proofread? Is there a way to contact them about errors or would I be wasting my time?
>>1992466
I always heard JAST was supposed to be the best VN localisation company. What happened?
>>1992490
Others weren't in the game. And then MangaGamer seriously stepped their game up, and JAST started slipping for whatever reason.
>>1992060So do they remain lovers?
>>1991810
IIRC, that's due to Mahoyo being the first installment of a series, it's the same reason why we apparently won't get a new Melty Blood or Tsukihime anime until its remake comes out, despite all of the mentioned games having the Type Moon name attached to them.
As for Tokyo Necro, how many Nitro+ games have anime adaptations in general?
>>1992442
>>1992450
>>1992460
My only worry when JAST announced flowers was that we were getting the games by 2050. It never even crossed my mind that we could get a fuwanovel tier translation. When did they get this bad?
Damm you, IG! You slutty NTR company, this is what we get thanks to you giving your games to the first publisher who asks for them. We can't even hope for MG to save this since JAST has the license for all four chapters.
>>1992510
Is it me or does the translation seem very off.
>>1992510
>We can't even hope for MG to save this since JAST has the license for all four chapters
Fucking hell. Good thing I'm already learning Japanese.
>>1992510
Holy fucking shit that translation. There is inaccurate and then there's this, I suppose.
>>1992510
JAST
I mean, JUST.
>>1992510
Apparently, JAST only has rights to the first game according to this:
http://follow.jastusa.com/post/138101631141/sorry-if-this-is-a-strangebad-question-but
There's a chance JAST might not get a chance to work on another Flowers game depending on how Innocent Grey feels about the first game's release.
>>1992517
Isn't the translation the exact opposite of what is in the original?
Quick and dirty?
>To think that a soft, restrained voice could be this terrifying
>It filled the air with a taut tension much stronger than any yell could
>>1992525
Would any company want to pick up where JAST has left off after a subpar localisation kills substantial interest in the series?
>>1992528
Apparently MangaGamer has few people in staff who are fans of the series, and they've had experience with IG in the past.
If they can promise significantly better release, I don't see why not.
>>1992502
Just one, Phantom, which was made a bazillion years ago.
You may count the ; series and SoniComi, but that might be stretching it a bit since the former is a 5pb property and the latter only has the main character in common with the VN.
Nitro+Chiral has more luck with adaptations, but ask any fujoshi about them and you'll get them crying about how they butchered the original source.
>>1992490
It's not hard to win when you're running unopposed.
>>1992525
Thank god. I remember them saying this:
22:28:14 <bay|AX|JAST> Flowers (copyright innocent grey)
22:28:23 <bay|AX|JAST> as people who follow me on social media, you know i like yuri
22:28:25 <bay|AX|JAST> it's an all ages game
22:28:29 <bay|AX|JAST> it's part of 4 part series
22:28:37 <bay|AX|JAST> we do plan to do all the games in the series
So I thought all hope was lost.
Crossing my fingers so MG steals the license back.
>>1992442
>right-clicking out of config causes the sound to bug out
Actually, this bug exists in the original too.
Ah, yes, Arashi ga Oka.
Who could forget such a japanese classic, just like Jifu to henken and Romio to Jurietto.
>>1992442
With the game out in under a month, I don't think much will change
>>1992547
>Implying JAST will release on time
>>1992548
Apparently it was supposed to release last fall.
JAST is literally the worst, not that I'm particularly surprised or anything, but it's sad when you manage to make SP look good in comparison when half their projects are just kickstarters of already translated works...
>>1992547
Don't trust the date, they are professional delayers.
Though even if its released in JAST Time™, I really doubt they'll bother to polish up the tl.
>>1992523
I'm analyzing but did they also mess up the chapter monologue?
Original
>確かな個を持ち、相手の心を傷つけることに躊躇はない、絶対的な命により処刑されてゆく彼女らを見ても、精神的虐殺を行う振る舞いをみても、私は王女こそが処刑台を心待ちにしているように思えた
JAST
>She is filled with certainty
>She holds no hesitation at hurting her partners
>Looking at this girl who has given the death penalty...
>... a slaughter of the spirit...
>...she is like the queen at the gallows
I feel like quite a bit of the sentence is lost in translation, especially the last line.
https://twitter.com/KurosakaRyuuko
Maria-sama, why have you forsaken us?
>>1992572
It's very wrong. She's kind of comparing Erika to a queen who sends girls to execution, but seems to Suoh to be expecting execution herself.
>>1992577
It's confusing, the way they put it. I mentally included a "been" in the death penalty sentence because of the way it was structured.
>>1992576
There are a few examples where I don't really understand what's wrong, but that's probably due to my moon being complete shite, but most of these are just... wow.
Professional quality translation. Masterpiece worth all the wait and all the dollars indeed.
>>1992576
So they have a translator who can't read Japanese well enough to even follow the story properly.
>>1992576
For some reason, that translation reminds me of a job offer I've seen a couple of years ago. Something along the lines of "machine translation proofreader".
Although proofreaders are supposed to make translations better, not butcher them.
>>1992576
And if no one buys it, then:
>West isn't interested in the yuri games
>No more yuri releases for you
>>1992591
at least kindred did well. it sucks that flowers is being treated so poorly but maybe this bad press will get jast to wake up.
>>1992592
>at least kindred did well.
Is it?
>>1992545
Strangely enough, in another line it's translated properly.Also, damn, that art style is pretty.
>>1992585
Seems to me the translator lacks the proficiency to pull it off, dropping harder to translate parts in order to mask their incompetence.
>>1992576
Well, whatever desire I had to get the LE just got thrown off the window. This isn't something they can fix with a patch in less than a month.
Why did IG give the license to JAST rather than Mangagamer, anyway? I thought they were partners.
>>1992599
could be MG pissed them off somehow. we'll never know the truth with these things.
>>1992599
The story we've been told is that basically MangaGamer took Innocent Grey for granted, thinking IG would just wait patiently for them to make an offer on their own terms and would never look at the competition. But JAST made an offer first (still more than a year after Flowers first release, so it's not like JAST was jumping on it as soon as possible), and it was apparently interesting enough for IG that they accepted it.
i had already posted my fansub of Flowers (with japanese text) a week before the demo got released & decided to upload the english version (for comparison).
i've been learning japanese by translating vns, so it was quite "interesting" comparing my subs to the demo.
(mind you that i've only been studying for 5 years and 1 year in translating, so i'm still an amateur at heart.)
official flowers demo:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWuSBJtBHsQ
my fansub of flowers demo:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPUd0on9578
i noticed areas where they worded things in a way that i could use and areas where they could've improved, especially the very last sentence in the game:
女の子を好きに為ったらいけないんですか?
Demo: Is it wrong to like girls?
Mine: Is it wrong if I fall in love with a girl?
that was heart breaking in a way... so reading everyone's complaints has made me a lot more alert of how i word stuff.
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and to all the people hatin' on the flowers translation (including myself personally since I fansubbed the demo),
there's a hell load of other vns that don't even see the light of day:
Hakuisei Ren'ai Shoukougun
Hakuisei Aijou Izonshou
Kimihane Kanojo to Kanojo no Koi Suru Ikkagetsu
Sakura no Uta
Tenshi-tachi no Yakusoku
Michael no Otome-tachi
Nyuu Jene!
Futari no Qualia
Hitori no Qualia
Kanojo to Kanojo to Watashi no Nanoka
Seisai no Resonance
Solfege
And way more...(manga, games, drama CDs)
TLDR; just be grateful that this flowers vn received any kind of translation in the first place.
the wording could be a whole lot better in the demo, but the most important thing is that you can understand it.
>>1992616
I Forgot to add this... please do post your complaints about the Flowers VN translation on these sites:
1. make an account on tumblr and post on the devlog of JAST USA: http://follow.jastusa.com/post/139953694341/jlistinsider-waited-all-morning-for-this-to
2. write a review on steam: http://store.steampowered.com/app/445440
>>1992593
https://ask.fm/The_Doddler/answers/134275304177
Fortunately, it did.
>>1992604
It's not much that MG took IG for granted, more like they already were dealing with other titles from them (like KnS 2 and the Noesis nukiges). MG isn't the kind of company to keep begging for titles to sit on them doing nothing (unlike JAST, seriously, they've been taking their sweet time with the Nitro+ games).
And until now, cases of VN publishers going after others partnerships has been unheard-of.
I'm just guessing, but I could bet the reason why IG gave flowers to JAST is because the previous titles released with MG (Kara no Shoujo, Cartagra) flopped really hard.
>>1992616
>just be grateful that this flowers vn received any kind of translation in the first place.
That's a dangerous kind of mentality. If you keep accepting bad products, companies will keep making bad products. There's nothing to be grateful for.
>the wording could be a whole lot better in the demo, but the most important thing is that you can understand it.
"Wording" isn't even the biggest problem. I've read my fair share of manga and VNs that were translated by ESLs with no experience in translation, and while yes, bad wording really takes away from the experience, the most important thing in translation is its accuracy. As long as it's accurate, I can forgive poor grammar or syntax (in fan translations, of course, not in licensed games); after all, wording can be easily fixed if it's really that bad, all you need is a decent grasp on English/whatever language the translation is in. And Flowers' translation takes... some serious liberties, to put it mildly, at times.
>>1992616
Keep in mind that, since you do it completely for free, people have lower expectation for your translation. Here we're talking about something that's supposed to have a professional translation, there are standards you must meet in that regard, especially since it doesn't exactly come off cheap, and people have all the rights to complain and be unhappy about the job they did, since they pay for it.
>>1992618
>Sounds like even Liarsoft were surprised at how it's done
This makes me really hopeful. Thank you.
>>1992616
>but the most important thing is that you can understand it.
Except they can't properly, because JAST couldn't.
For example:
>(I came equipped with three books, ready to try this out.)
What Suoh actually means is thatshe's concluded it was because the culprit had got those three books that the culprit decided to test Suoh & co. (as the three books work as clues for the names of the 3 roommates)
>(It would be a funny coincidence if I'm wrong.)
She's actually thinking aboutthe culprit having been amused by the coincidence, implying that was presumably what was behind the culprit's actions.
And it's apparently littered with mistakes like that, so you can't really understand the story with it translated this badly.
>>1992620
Have you read Sound of Drop? Very accurate translation that is utter crap. Being accurate can still be wrong, unfortunately, as English isn't such an easy language. A word can be a correct translation and yet be the wrong translation based on context. If you know some decent English, you'll easily see all that in Sound of Drop though.
So yeah, you need a good translation and good editing, or else you just get a fucked up language flow and it's not fun at all. Some things feel natural and easy for native English people, or people who know the language very well, but aren't so obvious for people who have less exposure to the language. Think of "it's not" vs "it isn't". You can use both at any time, but they DO have different nuances. The first has it on "not", the second on "it". Then certain words imply certain things when they are used, and if that isn't happening it feels weird. And finally, if you translate too literally, it can just end up being incomprehensible. I suppose you could argue that in that case it's not an accurate translation anymore, but I don't think that's quite right. It's stuff the editor should mostly fix and a TLC afterwards should check if it's still "right".
>>1992627
>A word can be a correct translation and yet be the wrong translation based on context.
That means it's not accurate. Accurate translation is a translation that provides the same meaning and the same context (or gets as close to "same" as it can) as the original text.
>>1992623
oic. guess i should've paid attention to suoh's voice. gets kind scary when japanese omit subjects of sentences, especially in long sentences.
jesus, everyone's standards here are so freakin' high. how about we all take everything that's wrong with the flowers demo translation, add corrections and send it all to JAST before they embarrass themselves even further? i like drama.
>>1992481
You can ping Peter Payne on twitter, at least. He usually replies to me whining about things there. Whether he'll actually fix them or not is unknown but at least he'll hear you.
>>1992633
>Peter Payne
Is he a comic book character?
>>1992631
Expecting people to do their job right isn't exactly "having high standards".
There aren't fans translating for a thank you, these are, supposedly, professional translators who get paid for their work.
>>1992631
They do omit the subject a lot but it's not like you can't figure it out based on other clues in the sentences. With enough practice, you will be able to understand without much effort. If you can't figure it out then either you need to work on your Japanese or the sentence itself isn't very well written.
>>1992636
To be specific, there are cases where sentences are deliberately ambiguous but in cases where they're not, it's obvious to any reader who has a decent grasp on Japanese most of the time.
>>1992616
Sis, if I didn't live in a country nobody would ever want to have business with I'd already be working on Qualias. My moon is mediocre, but I'd naturally bring in a few contacts of mine who know moon professionally.
Guess I oughtta finish that fan translation of a PSP spin-off game first, though.
>>1992638
I wish I knew people who could read moon.I'd force them into slavery and make them translate Fate/Extra CCC.
>>1992639
Biggest problem's the hacking, unless somebody did that already. I got lucky with my game of choice, but it was a VN with a very simple engine.
I think there are enough Fate fans among the translators who'd pitch in if everything's organized for them. I might, too, if I ever get through the tediousness of the original game's grinding.
>>1992572
Wait, have they got 王女 mixed up with 女王? It's "princess", not "queen".
>>1992647
I'll have to double check but it could have been my mistake in transliteration.
>>1992647
That might've been done intentionally. "Queen" produces a different image than "princess", especially since it's used with "death penalty" and "gallows". One is more cold, distant and royal, the other is often associated with being spoiled, naive and/or insolent.
Then again, the latter might have fit the character better. I don't know, I'm not familiar with them.
>>1992642
>Biggest problem's the hacking, unless somebody did that already
It was done five months ago. The choke point right now seems to be the massive amount of text. The team that finally managed to crack it said they were restarting the complete translation from scratch (since whoever already translated before didn't feel like sharing), and last month they posted an update saying they were 10% in: https://iwakuraproductions.wordpress.com/2016/01/29/iwakura-ps-state-of-the-union/
>there are enough Fate fans among the translators who'd pitch in if everything's organized for them
I don't know. Fate/Hollow Ataraxia's fan translation must have taken more than half a decade.
>>1992654
>since whoever already translated before didn't feel like sharing
That's a major dick move.
I know that one of the previous translators refused to share their hacking instruments, saying that "if you can't do it yourself, you won't understand these tools anyway and have no business translating this game", but why would they refuse to share the translation itself?
>>1992616
Why would I be grateful for a shitty release? Thats like being grateful for cereal with nuggets of shit in it, rather than no cereal.
Also, capitalize I you lazy fuck.
>>1992629
I meant it more like I wrote a bit further down. Words that are theoretically correct, but aren't really used in that situation, although they are not "wrong" per se either. Word choice.
If all of that is also "translation accuracy" it pretty much means that editing is super important as well, which would also go against what the anon I quoted wrote. (wording being not important as long as it's accurate would become paradox, which I suppose is a valid view on this)
It all simply goes hand in hand. A good TL needs good and well flowing English. Otherwise it won't be able to capture the original intention of the text.
>>1992655
>why would they refuse to share the translation itself?
Looking into it, the same person who refused to share their hacking tools actually released their translation progress and posted it publicly (which is still up). The new team said the old translator "did not want to be involved", so they started their own translation from scratch instead.
>>1992661
>wording being not important as long as it's accurate
I didn't say it wasn't important; I said I was willing to ignore it in favor of accuracy, since I'd rather read an accurate text with poor grammar and word flow than a perfectly worded text that tells a completely different story than the original.
Of course, terrible wording can hurt accuracy as well. But I'm talking specifically about cases where poor wording doesn't affect the storytelling in terms of accuracy, and therefore can be ignored.
>>1992653
I think IG would be sure about whether Princess was the image they wanted. It's not up to JAST to decide which image suits her best. I don't think the Japanese image of a Princess is all that different from what an English reader would conjure.
>>1992676
My knowledge of whatever images and feelings different members of royalty invoke in Japanese readers is limited, so I'm not going to argue that. I was merely pointing out that it might have been an intentional move as opposed to a mistake.
>>1992490
They've been subpar for awhile now. Their releasing games faster by not having their best employees working on them.
>>1992515
No, the translation is pretty bad.
>>1992529
The problem would be what to do about the first chapter in the series. Since JAST would have already released it, even if MangaGamer fixed it, they would be out alot of money, since I doubt fixing it up would result in many more sales. There's also the possibility that the series just might not sell well enough to continue working on.
>>1992528
JAST would still own the license to the first game.
Holy shit that translator not only has a poor grasp of moon, his writing is terrible as well.
Will he get fired if enough complaints come in?
>>1992679
Regardless, my main issue with their translation isn't with Queen or Princess. It's with the fact that they more or less left out a huge part of that last sentence. How can I trust a translation that cuts vital lines out?
>>1992591
It would just mean no more yuri from JAST, and if this is going to be their quality, then I'm fine with that.
>>1992604
MangaGamer was busy working on other IG titles, and didn't want to ask for Flowers until they cleaned their plate. IG must've wanted Flowers out no matter who did it.
>>1992618
The first Kara no Shoujo sold quite well eventually. It's sequel and Cartagra's sales have been mediocre though. Of course, the former happened after licensing Flowers to JAST.
>>1992684
The translation's already done, and I doubt they'd put much effort into fixing it.
>>1992691
It may be too late to fix the discs but it's easy enough to update steam games and they DO put out patches for games if people bitch enough. Better to raise complaints than to sit silently figuring that you doubt it's worth it.
>>1992616
>Sakura no Uta
Does this really have any yuri?
>>1992697
It might be enough to mention the things already mentioned here and on twitter, but I think it'd be worth the effort to put together a list with everything that's wrong in the demo alone.
>>1992698
Looking at spoilers, there's a yuri route betweenRina and Yuumibut also a het ending forRina. So the answer to "does it have any" should be yes, but "is it a game /u/ would like" probably less so.
Haven't played it though, just going off what I can dig up.
>>1992697
They might fix the worst errors, but that would be about all they've been known to do.
>>1992684
How did you know the translator's shit? Who is the translator?
>>1992663
I don't think either of those options are good. Poor grammar and word flow are going to sting no matter what. And a lot of people probably wouldn't even know if the story was changed or if the translation was inaccurate.
The thing is, visual novels really have so very little going for them such that if you make them a pain to read a lot of people aren't going to bother. Good English is very important.
>>1992698
One of the characters, Yumi, is a canon lesbian. She's in love with one of the heroines, Rina. When you go through Rina's route there's parts that switch to Yumi and Rina's perspective (instead of male protag). The player gets a choice from Rina's perspective that can lead either to her ending with the male protag or an ending where Rina chooses Yumi as more important and they become lovers (and have sex).
In the final route of the game (effectively the true end) it's also said that Yumi and Rina are living together in Tokyo. It's heard from Yumi's younger sister, who doesn't know for sure whether they're dating, but she suspects they are and thinks marriage is possible.
The way Yumi's lesbian is written is often mocking stupid cliches (such as the idea of lesbian characters getting involved in threesome scenes).
>>1992713
so the writing is good right? just not like lesbian who like mc dick in any other vn ?
Since JAST didn't port Flowers to a new engine, it's likely that some of Flowers bugs can't be fixed. That's why MangaGamer always ported Innocent Grey's games, and JAST didn't bother doing so.
Has anyone tweeted IG about the problems with the Flowers demo? If enough people tweet them about it to their PR account ig_lily (even if it's in really simple English), then there's a chance they'll think twice about working with JAST again if only because they don't want the Flowers series to have a bad rep attached to it in the west.
>>1992723
The way she's characterized, the fact she's a lesbian and is not sexually or romantically attracted to men is a big point that the game wants to hammer home, and there's a nice sequence she gives about her sexuality where she's angry that people have any trouble understanding that.
Still, fundamentally it's a game about a harem MC and she's limited as a character by her connection to the overall story being that he's her love rival in a love triangle.
>>1992713
Thanks for the info.
Is the game fucked up as SubaHibi?
>>1992576
Wow. What in the actual fuck happened to the translation? It was so terrible I couldn't even laugh at it.
>>1992767
The story is linear. Choices only unlock extra scenes, they don't change anything.
>>1992763
No. All the sex scenes are pure love and it's not denpa at all. But the backstory for the plot is fairly dark, involvinga family that tried to keep their bloodline purer through inbreeding, treating their illegitimate children as sex slaves.
>>1992591
Even a cursory look at the translation and general grammar should reveal to them the reason nobody wanted to buy this.
No, seriously, do they not have playtesters? Beta testers? Anything? This is the video games industry, guys. Things like this don't fly without a lot of mocking and scorn.
>>1992741
I'm definitely going to send them an e-mail and tell them that despite the west's interest in yuri, JASTs horrible job will probably lead to bad sales.
>>1992801
Don't be hyperbolic. Just tell them that you think the translation is bad. That you're disappointed. That it deserves better.
>>1991810
>Even (if) it sells well,
Which it seems it didn't: 4th in Tech Gian's monthly sales estimate ranking and not a strong month either.
>>1992576
https://twitter.com/KurosakaRyuuko/status/702739973212995584
I'm sad
JAST strikes again.
>>1992831
Just a hypothetical, but what if this is some ploy by JAST to hype up (be it bad or good) the release of flowers? I mean, the company has been in business for 20 years already. Maybe they got bored of their usual advertisement ways and just decided to Donald Trump it all.
>>1992822
No.
It might be too late to save Flowers from JAST, but maybe if we complain enough we can force them to hire a translator who is competent and actually cares for the game (like the onee-sama who did Kindred Spirits) to do a tlc.
>>1992873
When the TL has so many errors sometimes it's easier (and cheaper) to do it from scratch. However, do you expect them to pay for that?
>>1992929
They have done it before with Sumaga, they started over since the original translation was fuwanovel bad (and supposedly that was the initial reason for delaying it).
I think they did the same with Osadai, but I'm not sure so don't take my word for that.
It's been said many times before that Peter Payne doesn't really care for JAST finances since he is busy swimming in all that J-List money. So it shouldn't be a problem for them to delay Flowers and do a decent job on it.
Why does Dramatical Murder get an anime and not Kindred Spirits on the Roof. Smh
