Previous thread: >>>>69921706Now that he got diddled, Bran as the next Night's King when?
First for Preston, who is always right.
>>69923002
because Bran is the professor X of the story, boss mind that can win the war
nth for Randyll the Mandyll. Best commander in Westeros
who /ironking/ here?
>>69923031
I'm a bit pissed that these scenes were so funny and now brienne is fucking off to wherever so nothing will come of it.
Reminder that there are cock jokes every episode this season.
>>69923035
>boss mind
>literlay causes the death of 3ER and children of the forests
Gee anon for a briliant mind like his he fucked up big time.
Miss us yet?
Will Bran also make Aerys go insane by telling him to burn them all over and over again?
Summer died so Winter can begin.
GreyWind blew south with Robb and died with him
Jon died and came back a Ghost
Lady died, as did Sansa's innocence and naivety(thinking she was destined to marry a prince and be a queen and proper lady)
Shaggydog was literally just a shaggydog story(a story that is entirely inconsequential/pointless in the end)
Nymeria became independent and went on her own, just like Arya
More fart jokes. I'm fucking done with this show
>>69922994
You're aware they would charge an obscene price to kill Danny right?
>>69923046
nigga looks like the "NO DONT DO IT, IM A VIRGIN" guy
>>69923071
He's only learning his abilities you dumb fuck.
lrn2storyarc
>Wow, wow, what the fuck? This Kinvara knows about the voice and Varys? What is this
>Damn Varys is shook
>Wait, she knows the magical owner of the voice AND what did it say?
>Ah, whatever, I'm not interested
Isn't Tyrion supposed to at least ask about the voice?
>>69923050
>Not playing house farwynd
What a gallivanting faggot
Now we know why Hodor, hodors but wait ...
...what about the localized episodes, in which they don't speak english and thus cannot create the bridge from Hodor to Hold'a'door?
How? how?
REMINDER THAT JON IS LITERALLY A WALKING CORPSE AND A VILLAIN
>>69923032
Didn't he predict that the CotF created the others in a video?
>>69923062
Will we ever be introduced to the cock merchant?
>>69923061
>tfw tormunds goes south to wreck some Frey shit with her
>post yfw Arya kills the Waifu
>Where are my niece and nephew. Let's murder them
>they just casually stroll to the top without noticing that Theon and Yara/asha stole their fleet
Bravo D&D
>>69923050
Fuck off iron nigger. We have no watermelons here.
>>69923105
>liking playing on loneky light
eww
>As the WW's have surrounded the cave entrance they can pass over the fire and it goes out, while the zombie minions have to go around it.
What could this mean?
>>69923051
>HARD
>ROCK
>HALLELUJAH
MANNIS, KING OF JUSTICE
MANNIS,KINGOFJUSTICE
MANNISKINGOFJUSTICE
MANNIKINOUSTICE
MANKUSTICE
MAKUST
MAKUS
MAKUS
MAHKUS
MAHKUS
MAHCUS
MAHCUS
MARCUS
MARCUS
M-MARCUS
M-maaarcus
mm-marcus
-mmarcus
marcus
>>69923081
Most likely yes.
>>69923031
I know right?
I'm still amazed that D&D were supplied with a huge and mostly constistant lore that already has
so much magic in it and still come up with some bullshit time travel magic.
>>69923098
they already tried to get dany killed. The child who tried to kill dany with that scorpion-thingy was probably a faceless man
The show runners know how bad this has gotten, right? thats the only reason I can think of why they would want to include a surprise closeup of a dick and balls, its almost like they are saying "yeah, we hear you. we give up"
>>69923081
No, that's a retarded theory with zero evidence.
Targs are mental from inbreeding. Mad king has enjoying burning people for a long time before that.
Targs gonna targ
>>69923066
No one gives a fuck about your books m8
>"Would you like to hear about our wedding night?" Sansa asks. "He never hurt my face — he needed my face, the face of Ned Stark’s daughter. But the rest of me, he did what he liked with the rest of me, as long as I could still give him an heir."
RAM SANSA
RAMSANSA
RAMANSA
RAMNSA
RAMSA
RAMSAY
it all makes sense now
Is anyone else thoroughly disappointed with her voice? I expected some husky, breathy low sexy european accent and got some tame high pitched annoying squeak. She got considerably less hot when i heard her speak. Anyone with me or am i being autistic?
>>69923102
The retarded kid fucking shit up is the worst clyche ever. I dispise it. Literlay any mainstream fucking story has the dumb kid with awesome powers that does something stupid and causes the death of badass characters.
plus cripple the hodor for a 10 second start against undead. I hope bran dies in a fire
>I am now a Nightcycle! TEAR THE WALL DOWN!
>>69923144
Autist
>>69923180
No, that was not a faceless man, that was confirmed to be the warlocks.
The faceless men wouldn't fail
sansa dead when
>>69923192
omg did he really stuff ground garlic and pepper into her womb?!
>>69922296
Who is the actor who played joffrey in the play? I'm glad they finally showed gratuitous cock but that kid looks young.
>>69923180
All the more reason for them to continue trying. You don't just fail once and then go "oh well she won fair and square, better leave her alone".
>They went with northern theme as Hodor was dying
>>69923192
>Okay, err, did he cut you?
>......well, no..but..still >:(
they kept trying to portray sansa as a cunning genius but all i saw was a retard
>>69923182
>>69923224
>that mole
eww
Jon and Sansa will run into Arya's dire wolf in the river lands and it will immediately die
>>69923103
what pissed me off the most is that they didn't even changed their clothes between the cut from talking about a new ally to meeting the new priestess. fucking teleportation.
>>69922296
That line would have fit right in
>>69923224
LEGEND
>>69923224
P E R F E C T
E
R
F
E
C
T
>>69923257
LF was clearly dancing around saying 'well he obviously raped you', which she wanted to hear
Don't be daft
>>69923127
she will get backstabbing help like her bitch father
>>69923232
>JEW
>>69923103
Varys has already told Tyrion that story.
>>69923232
>Kill characters that everyone like
>Bring in new characters that no one gives a fuck about
Fucking Neato
>>69923081
WOW ANON THATS SO CLEVER
NO ONE HAS POSTED THIS IDEA BEFORE
HEY DO YOU THINK BRAN IS BRAN THE BUILDER????
SCREENCAP THIS POST
>>69923275
i want to call her my little sister and lick it.
>>69923081
>Can't warg a Targ!
Anyone else downloaded the bundle of episode 6&7 ? 10 minutes into episode 6 and it seems legit.
>>69923301
>Personal Bodyguard to the Prince
>Wears no protective Armor
I just hope the books treat him better
>>69923318
>BRAN THE BUILDER
Can he fix it?
So for the rest of the season for Arya
>Doesn't kill the actress, kills Waifu
>runs away from the faceless men again, maybe even leaves braavos.
>"has to go back" for some stupid reason
>Season finale, Jaqen tells her the only way she can redeem herself is by killing Dany
Right
>mfw Summer was kill
>it's Every character apart from the major ones dies season
Jon, Dany and Tyrion (The Holy Trinity) are for sure, but which other will survive the Feast for Crows?
>>69923337
Oh shit nigga, going to look at it
>>69923308
I'm okay with it.
>they changed real hodor name because people would confuse two characters with the same name
>meanwhile there are multiple brans in story
>they didnt change the name because its the same person
>>69923312
I'd scream asking what did it say, why didn't Tyrion?
why is she the most comfy GoT youtuber?
Who wore it better guys???????
>>69923312
He didnt say he heard the name Aegon when it happened
>>69923081
BUT WHY WOULD HE DO THAT?!
So where can we find the leaks for 6 and 7?
Reminder that Bran's new vessel to bodysnatch is Jon's corpse when Bran goes back in time to the night he was murdered, and decides to take his body for himself (unconsciously. Bran will dream that he's Jon, and act like Jon. Similar to how when he dreams like Summer, he acts like Summer as he skinchanges)
So when will High Sparrow rape Tommen boipussy?
>>69923337
what are you talking about?
>>69923363
where is fake sansa?????
>>69923399
Gee I dunno, maybe because your friend was visibly upset by the memory of it you autist?
>>69923403
Night King is way cooler
Nymeria will die similarly to Summer, protecting Arya from the Whitewalkers
Ghost was the runt of the litter, and the one with the most chances of dying as a pup
Yet, he will be the only direwolf that will survive the whole series
Its like poetry, it rhymes
>>69923403
Night King actually looks real. Just look at Maul's horns.
Choose your Queen of Love and Beauty
http://www.strawpoll.me/10288478/
http://www.strawpoll.me/10288478/
http://www.strawpoll.me/10288478/
>>69923403
maul has cool face paint but nk's horns don't look as retarded
overall nk cos he's not a manlet
This show has gotten so idiotic that I almost can't believe it.
>>69923377
would racemix with/10brown puffies r-right?
Have you considered that if Sansa really is pregnant, the child will be heir to the Dreadfort, and possibly to Winterfell as well, depending on how things go with Jon and Rickon? Sansa and Ramsay are even now married in the eyes of gods and men, so the offspring is most certainly legitimate. It would be pretty cool if she actually gave birth to a child that would inherit the Dreadfort after Ramsay's imminent death. Sansa would rule the Dreadfort as a regent until the child came of age, and she would raise the child to be a decent human being, like Eddard and Catelyn raised her. House Bolton would no longer flay their enemies, and if Jon or Rickon (most likely Jon) then rules the North from Winterfell, the kinship between new lords Stark and Bolton will bring peace and stability to the North. That is, if in the end people, the North and feudalism still exist.
>>69923337
link?
>>69923257
>my dad got his head cut off, and his head was on a spike for weeks
>my brother got his head cut off, and wolfs head sawn into its place
>my mum went crazy and got killed on her brothers wedding
>my little sister lost, probably is dead in a ditch, or being raped by some maruders at best
>my little brother is probably being skinned alive
>my other little brother is lost, probably dead, considering he's a cripple
>my half brother was killed by his own brothers of the NW
>guy i was raised up with was mentally broken, tortured for months and mutilated to the point he forgot his name
Ramsey fucked my pooopeeeer bawww ;_;
Salsa a shit
>>69923435
i keked
Har du kommit för att hämta mig?
>>69923435
That pun is cancer. End your self faggot.
>>69923180
That was most certainly not a faceless man that was some cheap ass amateur.
If it was a faceless man she'd be dead.
If you read about them though you see that they sometimes charge outrageous or unusual prices or flat out refuse a contract if it conflicts with their religious beliefs and strange sense of morals. They also give poor needy people sick deals sometimes.
So maybe its just that they would have charged Robert a fortune to kill her, a king wanting a rival dead, but they might do it almost for free if some poor beggar asks them to do it.
>>69923377
I want to lick her armpit
>>69923232
Has she been on the show before because I got the impression she has but can't remember shit
>>69923363
>http://www.strawpoll.me/10288478/r
>Shae
>Misandei
>0 votes
>>69923435
>>69923103
that was a moment right out of 'LOST'
>>69917746
“The king, the priest, the rich man—who lives and who dies? Who will the swordsman obey? It’s a riddle without an answer, or rather, too many answers. All depends on the man with the sword.”
kek
So why is every red priest so healthy-looking? Isn't Asshai a dirt poor land where there's rarely anything to eat?
>>69923410
So Aerys executes his uncle allowing Ned to marry Catelyn and become warden of the north.
>>69923453
>Night King actually looks real
>>69923239
Seriously
>>69923248
>"The croutons were stale and he made me moisten them with my vaginal secretions, as long as I could carry his heir, he turned me into what ever family style meal he so desired!
>"The worst was when he ladeled 3 gallons of spicy spaghetti sauce into my ass and made me sing Bella bella bambina.."
>"ENOUGH YOU FREAKY BITCH!" - Little finger
>>69923505
>frogface has by far the most votes
Someone brigaded that poll.
>>69922296
So are white walkers ultimate good guys?
>Get turned into cold zombies by CotF
>Somehow regain free will
>Fight their former masters
>Give gift of eternal life without pain to anyone in their way
Pretty based tbqh senpaitachi
>>69923526
What? Asshai is vampire land.
>>69923464
House Bolton may not flay their enemies for a while, but having a flayed man as a sigil would eventually push them back to old habits.
Look at the Ironborn, for example. Loads of times they've been moved to the new way rather than the old ways. They always go back.
>>69923455
>mfw I have other 6 /roslin/ bros here
I'm happy desu
>Sansa: Go on, guess what they did to me
>repeat a hundred times
>5 minutes go by
>Sansa is still asking
Yes, I get that Sansa is angry at Petyr. Yes, men are evil she was raped men are evil silent game women play where any answer is a bad answer but they wait in silence for you to say what she wants to hear men are evil men are evil
I fucking get it. We didn't need that scene to last fucking hours
>>69923464
since Sansa has escaped Winterfell, Theon has travelled back to the Iron Islands, ambassadors are travelling back and forth from Volantis to Meereen, CIA has travelled from the Gates of the Moon to Molestown, and the Sneks have travelled from Dorne to King's Landing to Dorne again.
it's been weeks. She would have known she was pregnant by now.
>>69923484
hahahah omfg this is true af
>>69923526
Maybe it's Maybelline
>>69923488
that was cold
>>69923580
White Walkers vs. Stronk women of Westeros
I know who I support.
Is Kinvara better than me anon?
>>69923343
even leather can protect him from nail scissor she was using
>>69923360
Kek
HOLD THE DOOOOR
>>69923526
It's a glamor, did you miss the Mellie scene in the first episode? They all probably make themselves prettier than they actually are
>>69923119
Yes.
>tfw eyebrowfu will never make you her goytoy
Why do Jewesses always rope me in like this, there must be some trickery behind it
>>69923580
Yeah but they'll tell you how "that's not real life" or "that's an aberration" without giving any good reason.
Chilling as a zombie with your zombie bros for all eternity without feeling pain or hunger seems neat.
>>69923593
It's seven now.
Also reappearance when
Of course the episode where time travel bullshit is introduced was directed by a Lost veteran
i cried, and chuckled, and then kept crying
poor fucking hodor man
>>69923537
>I don't have a counter argument so I'll just greentext what he said with a smug Emilia gif
wew
>>69923365
Bran
Sansa
Jaimie
Brienne
Davos maybe (why is he so cool with Brienne around anyway, she killed Stannis)
Arya
Jorah
Rickon maybe
I have a feeling Melli will bite it soon, she is literally useless now
Ramsay is pretty much dead
Someone from Dany's council will die soon, either Grey Worm or Missandei
Tommen and Margery are on death's shortlist too
>>69923630
Kinvara is ugly af, huge nose and weird eyebrows. Melly will always be the true queen desu.
>>69923630
no
your tits are still god tier and you have a cuter face :3
>>69923081
Aery's was already insane before that you stupid cunt. Targaryan madness is nothing new, it's due to inbreeding by fucking your sisters, then your children fucking their sisters, then their children fucking their sisters for hundreds of years.
>>69923089
Pottery
>>69923569
POTTERY
Reminder that Arya and the house of black and white has been the biggest waste of time and the story has barley moved in the last two seasons.
Dorne was shit but at least the scenes were fast and it resulted in great memes.
CLOSE THE DOOR
CLOSETHEDOOR
CLOSEDOOR
CLOSDOOR
CLODOOR
CLODOR
>>69923694
Shit taste, they're both good
>>69923681
A counter isn't really needed to say that neither of them looked real.
>>69923630
Fuck off traitor. Stannis wasn't even dead yet and you were off looking for a leader with better prospects.
>>69923630
Nah
why didn't stannis just pay the many faced god to kill ramsay?
>>69923593
literally who
>>69923062
Don't forget farting.
>>69923694
she has this jewish cuteness that makes me want to import more sandniggers in europe.
>I'm starting to think you can't be trusted
>>69923505
>meera and margaery higher than melisandre and ygritte
>>69923694
>Melly will always be the true queen desu.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7-eP9mqBAs
It's here
>>69923694
Melly is getting old, her face is starting to sag. You can already see her cheeks falling.
so he held the door for like ten seconds, what was even the point of that big dramatic scene
why is /r/gameofthrones obsessed with this BRAN MAKES AERYS CRAZY theory?
and why is /r/asoiaf obsessed with Dany+Drogo=Tyrion theory?
are they so starved for original theories that when they actually create something that's original but absolutely shit, they latch on to it autistically?
>>69923455
>>69923433
this desu
He held the door ;__;
it's been way too long without a sand snake scene
can we get them back to justify the last season dedicated to them
How GoT will end
>Kelly C kills everyone including WW
>After a few days
>Daenerys found dead by Jorah
>Kelly C farts
>Laugh sound track added
>Seinfeld tune plays and Sheldon says Bazinga a few times
Promise me Neddard
*giggles hysterically*
>>69923752
If Daenerys is heat resistant why wasn't Viserys?
>>69923660
It's the same psychology behind what makes ''cuck porn'' attractive. You're a nationalsocialist like me, so the ''forbidden apple'' effect or w/e it's called makes the knowledge of the fact that a woman is jewish somehow attractive to us.
Did he deserve to be brain damaged as a child so thirty years later he could hold a door until he died twenty seconds later?
Also what was the point of his head scar.
>>69923630
Not even close. Mel, Snek, and false Sansa are the hottest actresses on the show.
Did the little bitches really need to make the white walkers? Fucking christ, just hide somewhere little sluts.
>WW's dont get affected by fire even though it should be killing them
Could some of them have been Targaryen as humans?
>Let's kick some ice!
Are you fucking serious, D&D?
>>69923773
Why don't you stay there you fucking tourist
>>69923630
Kinvara has good tits but you're still the best.
>>69923734
>implying the faceless men could take on 20 good men
>>69923789
It wasn't to hold the door they did it to him, but just doing all the things he had to do, in order to get Bran to the 3ER aswell as hold the door.
>>69923789
The scar is just makeup to cover up the actor's tattoo.
>>69923694
nigga you gay, Kinvara has the sexiest eyes in the show, and that fucking smile
>>69923789
Covers his facial tattoo
>>69923773
>Dany+Drogo=Tyrion
Alright, someone explain to a retard like me how in the fuck that could possibly be a thing
>>69923786
Can you not.
>>69923789
To hide his shit tattoo
>>69923789
To hide the face tattoo the actor has
>>69923817
I'm a tourist to reddit, I'm a /got/ citizen.
>hodor didn't go mad in the winterfell crypts, Bran warging into him at the same time he sees something terrifying
might've made the scene actually impacting.
>>69923789
Poor fucking guy.
>Hold the door
>mfw
I praise D&D for getting rid of that meme character, but jesus christ that was terrible.
This entire season has sucked balls so far. Their creative changes is the past seasons were alright, but the entire storyline in this one is inconsistent and boring. I hope GURM is writing up something better
>>69923862
wot
Who's this fat witcher guy?
>>69923786
What kind of fucked up person would shoot some shit like this hahahahah
>>69923788
>you're a nationalsocialist
Nah, just an edgy right winger. I don't even particularly dislike Jews or Israel, merchant memes aside
>>69923764
Melly is the prettiest lady.
>>69923850
time travel, aint gotta explain shit
>>69923861
>I'm a /got/ citizen
So an authentic r*dditor and a tourist
What happened to Preston? Why didnt he make a video yet? Did somebody finally kill him?
>>69923814
fuck off
Instead of sending Bran back time so he can rape Hodor's mind, wouldn't it be better to just start running as soon as possible? That way you don't need to fuck Hodor and you have even more advantage.
>>69923077
Ha the first seasons were so low fantasy and know it has gone all out.
>>69923885
>right winger.
>I don't even particularly dislike Jews or Israel
Oh, you're one of those Bill Kristol and Jeb Bush types... I see...
>>69923881
Everyone assumed Hodor went into the winterfell crypts and stumbled upon something horrifying that drove him mad.
>>69923416
this
>>69923882
Eddy's papa.
Sadly, he doesn't survive....
>>69923903
I think the episode killed him
>>69923876
They admitted it was GRRM who told them the Hold the Door stuff.
I thought it was one of the saddest scenes in the series, and Bran's face when he realised he's the one who fucked his entire life was brilliant.
>>69923787
because DABID
>>69923850
Literally because Oberyn said something about how he heard baby Tyrion had a tail, and Dany's miscarriage looked like it had a tail too.
>>69923829
Darth Nihlus enters the game?
WHERE LEAKS WHERES THE LEAKS EPISODE 6 WHEREEE
HOLD THE DOOOR
HOLD THE DOOR
HOD DA DOR
HO DA DOR
HODDADOR
HODOR
>>69923843
I agree, but her voice though is so underwhelming
>>69923788
>You're a nationalsocialist like me
Horror was a big guy for us all
>>69923917
I think the suggestion is that time itself would simply revert back to the point in time when Bran is born, if he hadn't done that to Hodor.
>Hodor's entire life was the product of his death
>>69923917
Alternate paths have alternate endings. For all we know, any other course of action fucks everything up.
>it's a "episode ends like an episode of telltale's The walking game of thrones"
I CAN'T DECIDE BETWEEN MELLY AND KINVARA
HELP ME OH MY GOD
Characters who got a lol who gives a fuck death:
>Stannis
>Myrcella
>Doran
>Trystane
>Roose
Characters that got a beautiful death:
>Hodor
BRAVO DND
>>69923942
I hope he at leasts changes how the time traveling/visions into the past thing works, then.
friendly reminder to ignore political talk and do not give into bait because it will derail the thread
>>69923882
Papa Stark. Weak fuck get's killed and cucked by Targs
>>69923882
hair dye was invented then
>>69923734
>>69923734
>implying Stannis has that kind of money
Also probably something about how its dishonorable to hire an assassin.
Also the faceless men seem pretty hard to contract unless you live in Bravvos
>>69923658
Link to video where he says this.
>HOLD DORNE
What did he mean by this?
>>69923232
Shit took effort to understand. Also she can't hold a candle to the Red Woman
>>69923850
Tyrion was first described as a monstrous demon child after his birth, but then turned out to just be a bit shorter and uglier than normal.
When the Lhazareen witch performed the ritual to "heal" Drogo, she didn't sacrifice Dany's unborn child, she swapped it with the original Tyrion(the demon child). Dany gave birth to the deformed demon child which then died, while her son(the Stallion that will Mount the World aka the Prince that was Promised) went back in time ~25 years to be raised as Tyrion Lannister.
>>69923984
Hodor>>>>>Stannis
desu
>>69923979
No because the type of time travel we saw here was a so called ''casual loop'' (I think) which means everything that has happened and will happen is already set in stone.
>>69923882
rickon
whats the most tinfoil night king theory out there?
>>69923699
>>69923183
>these fucking people
Aerys was a completely fine man before the spent like a year in a dungeon in Duskendale being tortured and mocked by his captors.
Even fucking Pycelle mentions in the first season that it pained him to watch a good man destroyed by his insanity.
>>69923970
You gotta admit some of the dick jokes worked
Especially the ones GRRM included
>>69923979
>>69923971
Sounds like shitty writingto hamfist a "dude time travel lmao" thing on it.
>>69924002
>Faceless men
>Charging money
>>69923978
JUST
I'm I the only one who thought this was the worst fucking joke of an episode of the entire series. The plot points were sharp but the cinematography, acting and pacing was utter horseshit; felt like I was watching a youtube fanfiction. And that horrible treadmil jogging through the tunnel was homemovie-tier. Its like they just sharted this episode out.
HODOR COULD PLEASE
why did Salsa refuse the help of knights of the vale? she has a war to fight, would she rather have men loyal to her and her brother die, then accept the help from CIA?
>>69923952
There's bundle of ep 6&7 so why you're asking for leaks?
>>69924024
>>69923117
HALTÜR!
HALTÜR!
HODOR!
>>69923829
>mouth of sauron
>no actual sauron
for what purpose
>They actually killed Summer
WHY DO D&D HATE EVERYTHING THAT IS NOT DANAERYS
>>69923984
neat
>>69924058
The Jorah/Danny scene was fucking excellent but everything else was a bit shit.
>>69924002
A mummer managed to make a contract, why couldn't a noble man from westeros make one too?
>>69924038
>Aerys was a completely fine man before the spent like a year in a dungeon in Duskendale being tortured and mocked by his captors.
This, the reason he had them fuck up that woman's ovaries and shit was because he was raped as a sex toy
>>69923786
Sauce?
>>69923979
>>69924029
It's the basic 'stable time loop' kind of timetraveling
Even Harry Potter uses that one
>>69923117
Localizations are shit. Let that be yet another one of the many lessons.
>>69924003
part 1 and 2 of this series
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMgUIPvAlLI
How is he doing?
All he does is sit there with his astrolabe. We cant get to him stop.
CUT TO CREDITS.
>>69924024
And no one ever noticed how there are more than two decades of time between the two events?
Oh wait I see now, Bran warged into the witch and made it happen.
>>69923176
The Bullshit time travel magic is in the books though. The Hodor thing isn't written but in the book it is implied that greensers retro actively affect what happens in their visions.