>this board actually defends shit like this now
wtf happened ?
>inb4 DC cuck
this shit is just terrible, why does /tv/ want marvel (disney) to succeed so much ? at this point its way past the point of a meme, a lot of you cunts actually like shit like pic related ?
i think its time to leave this place
>>68128328
I support Marvel just to see DCucks cry like little bitches
>Hawkye doesn't do a flip
Wasted potential. He's supposed to be acrobatic and shit
most people are aware that age of ultron was a weaker movie.
atleast marvel fans are not as delusional as dc fans who now believe zack snyder is some misunderstood/ahead of his time director
there are 2 different sides of /tv/ now; the people who come here to discuss caepshit and star wars exclusively; and everyone else
>>68128328
>When you need to release/loose an arrow at point blank shot
nobody is supporting anything, it's just shitposters trolling other shitposting trolls
>>68128328
Why is Thor leaping like some kind of ballet faggot when his hammer lets him fly?
>>68128381
>most people are aware that age of ultron was a weaker movie.
kek
Capeshit allows easy console wars style shit posting that attracts /v/ in droves
>>68128381
>implying he's not
People want Marvel to succeed because it might actually entice WB to make a decent DC movie.
>>68128328
I support marvel by default because DCucks are annoying little cunts.
in any case i want to see SS, it's all capeshit in the end.
>i think its time to leave this place
no one will stop you, wizard
>>68128328
I like the netflix shows. They're actually good. I don't really care about the rest.
how did hawk eye and black widow land safely? they basically got toss out of a moving car. even with all their training
>Shit!
>Language!
>Jarvis, what's the view from upstairs?
>The central building is protected by some kind of energy shield.
>Strucker's technology is well beyond any other Hydra base we've taken. Loki's scepter must be here. Strucker couldn't mount this defense without it.
>At long last.
>"At long last" is lasting a little long, boys.
>Yeah. I think we lost the element of surprise.
>Wait a second. No one else is gonna deal with the fact that Cap just said "Language"?
>I know. Just slipped out.
This is the dialogue in the first 3 minutes of AoU, lads. People paid money to go watch this. The people who made this raked in millions. There are hundreds of thousands of memes and facebook pages about this franchise. There are people who base parts of their identity about how much they like this franchise.
>>68128379
At least they got the shit part right
>>68128439
>look mum, i posted this again!
>>68128458
That scene like all of AoU was awful, just let it rest.
>>68128328
I like it
come at me
>>68128356
pretty much this
Capehsit is meant to be fun and not taken to seriously.
If you watch capeshit for
>muhh deep story
>muhh cinematography
>muhh art
Just fucking kill yourself. It's why Marvel is cucking DC because nobody wants to see a 2 hour long, pretentious pile of shit.
>>68128461
>hurry! let's focus on AoU, the worst of all the MCU!
fuck off already, you should be hyping suicide squad, it's the last chance you'll get to see a JL movie being made.
>>68128473
Kek
>>68128520
triggered Marvelfag
>>68128510
>meant to be fun
What is it about eating shit that is so fun for capeshitters?
>>68128328
>He didn't get to see this in theaters
Don't take that out on us friendo
>>68128510
What do you mean by fun?
Only an idiot would find thinking unfun.
What happened to the regular /tv/ posters? The shit I read here now looks like a bad copy of /r9k/ posts
>>68128461
What's wrong with it fampai
>inb4 meme response
>>68128458
They're like Batman, don't overthink it.
>>68128592
>he requires a movie to think
ayyy lmaos, you just got BTFO, friend. huehuehuehuehue
>>68128592
>>68128328
Its a three second shot in a two hour movie. Kids love that kind of shit, and in the context of the film its not that bad, really. I mean its a team flick, theres gonna be forced team shots. As far as forced team shots go, its not that bad.
>>68128592
>>68128383
>>68128473
>>68128577
>>68128592
>mfw /tv/ is better at quips than the entire MCU
>>68128328
Marvel is honest about what it's doing. Its pure entertainment made for normies and fans on the basis of childish entertaining cartoons. It involves a lot of jokes, action scenes, visual gags etc. to make people feel good. You may like high-brow films and still be occasionally watching Marvel movies in theatres with friends because in those moments you are not looking for deep intellectual themes, but for fun instead.
It's like rollercoaster or circus or whatever and it delivers on what it promises. Occasionally Marvel touches and explores serious themes, which only adds to overall experience.
DC on the other hand takes findamentally different approach. It takes childish cartoons and pretends that it is as serious as Apocalypse Now. They prey on retards who think that MoS, BvS "symbolism" is deep or that capeshit is intended for anything other than entertainment. What's funny is that Marvel explores same "intellectual" themes way more effective than DC without even trying.
Marvel makes better product, is way more honest and realistic about what its doing and is actually smart when it comes to making each property justice. How don't you want them to win?
>>68128694
And even despite all this they still find room for kino
>>68128694
I'd rather eat crab legs than a big mac.
>>68128328
I'm sure all capeshit posters are shills. This isn't normal shitposting
>>68128473
>>68128381
I loved BvS and actually do think that it's one of the best of the genre, and a lot of it has to do with Snyder.
That doesn't automatically mean that I hate Marvel, they've done some good stuff too, and CW is looking to be up there too.
See? Wasn't that hard.
>>68128328
You reveal your butthurt, dcuck, right here
>why does /tv/ want marvel to succeed so much
>>68128328
It's supposed to evoke a shot you would see in a comic, you stupid faggot.
>i think its time to leave this place
Bye bye, faggot. See you tomorrow.
>>68128694
I bet you thought this was an intelligent post even though you keep say "fun" and "entertaining" like they are objective terms.
>>68128328
comics are silly escapism, Marvel delivers on that premise, WB/DC tries to elevate it, so far without succeeding very well
Suicide Squad seems to be a step in the right direction, but i have absolutely no faith in Justice League with Snyder at the wheel
>>68128770
Marvel movies make a fuckton of money and are adored by critics. Would you like to suggest a more 'objective' measure of fun and entertainment?
>>68128694
I like both, thankfully DC doesn't try to be a Marvel clone. I do disagree on the DC trying too hard though, what they've done so far has hit me in the feels harder than anything Marvel has done.
That doesn't take merit from what Marvel has achieved so far though.
>>68128694
What you take as "honest and realistic," I take as "depressingly cynical cashgrab."
Don't misunderstand me. I've seen Marvel flicks I've really enjoyed like "The Winter Soldier," but I see nothing inherently wrong with trying to inject more adult themes into these films. At the end of the day, I look at Marvel as providing solid, if somewhat shallow, entertainment, and DC as having the courage to delve into their source material and producing films that aren't playing it as safe(cynical) by neutering their own intellectual property.
Tony's an alcoholic who wears a tank that can level a city block with relative ease. Marvel wants to make a joke out of that, which is fine, DC doesn't, which is also fine.
>>68128831
>DC doesn't try to be a Marvel clone
In certain aspects they really do, and it shows.
>>68128721
Not sure If I'm being meme'd due to how much shit AoU gets on this board, but I absolutely loved this scene.
>>68128841
>depressingly cynical cashgrab
I found BvS quite the opposite, rather uplifting and sincere.
>>68128694
>release 11 pile of shit movies
>people eventually start believing that there's more to that shit
>people enjoy shit
>le ep1k maymay action scenes XDD
>marvel GOAAAAAT DCKUKS BTFO Xdddd
>>68128860
I was talking about Marvel. I'm with you,
>>68128725
Snyder movies are not crab legs. Its like that surimi fish meat that is used to emulate products from crab meat.
>>68128770
Entertainment and fun can be measured in $$$ at box office.
>>68128860
This.
I'm amazed a lot of what made it into the final movie got approved by the studio. It certainly disproves the idea that this was a cashgrab.
>>68128847
Not BvS or MoS at least, we'll see how quippy Suicide Squad turns out to be when it comes out.
What bothers me is that the critics judged BvS with a Marvel lense, not as a film. And consequently, in a way they're forcing DC to look for the Marvel mold in the future, when the genre would really benefit with more variety.
>>68128848
I liked it too, not meming. I think Vision is a really interesting character and I love Paul Bettany, I have a feeling he won't get many more scenes like this though.
>>68128869
>>68128869
Well memed DCfriend, a couple of those were even coherent sentences
>>68128328
I thought Avengers was hated, and Joe Sweden was the laughing stock of /tv/.
>>68128904
>What bothers me is that the critics judged BvS with a Marvel lense, not as a film
all i heard is that the movie is boring, awfully edited and a convoluted mess in the end with too much stuff in the mix.
that sounds like a critic to a film friendo.
>>68128935
Everything is thrown out the window with company wars.
>>68128935
reddit took over /tv/
All hail faglord
>>68128935
Does this look like /tv/ to you? something is wrong
>>68128953
Nah, you should take a tour to RT and see those reviews, and the people who wrote them.
>>68128958
what company wars, marvel did some shit movies
*AoU
*Iron Man 3
*Hulk (Bana)
*Thor 2
and the two DCCU are awful
*man of steel
*BvS.
i hope SS goes better, really.
>>68128904
DC's villains have historically been the source of levity anyway, so them joking it up makes perfect sense to me. Marvel has few, if any, funny villains outside Dr, Doom, and he's sort of a special case.
>>68128935
>>68129003
>RT
i guess you missed the countless hours of youtube reviews and written stuff around the web.
i can't understand why DCucks are so blind, really.
i want WB to do a proper DC Cinematic universe out of Hack's grasp.
>>68129034
Agree with AoU, IM3, and Thor 2.
Hulk is ok
MoS and BvS are an acquired taste.
>>68128829
>critics
>fun
What the fuck are you on about?
>>68128885
>money a measure of fun or entertaining
While I disagree with this completely, even if you do accept that then why can't you accept that both the marvel and DC films are "fun and entertaining" to many people? The DC films have still sold a shitload. Why are you chucklefucks so angry that another company is doing things differently to Disney?
There are movies I like and hate both of marvel and DC, but it's unbelievable how marvel fans have drunken the Disney koolaid and bought into the idea that nothing but marvel/Disney is acceptable.
>>68128900
It's so strange because "Batman v Superman" sounds like such a cash grab. It could have used another title that reflected the tone a lot better
>>68129071
You mean RLM, Angry Joe and that lot of plebs?
>>68128694
true, also they have a way better cast
>>68129037
> the door? Like a peasant?
>>68129115
nah, both casts are great
>>68129081
>Batman v Superman
If people actually knew what the "v" stands for.
Plaintiff v Defendant
>>68128841
Marvel is reconstructing its source material, while DC is deconstructing it. Deconstructing may be seen as more "intellectual", but its not. Smart reconstruction may be as intellectual as smart deconstruction. Winter Soldier, for example, is all about reconstructing Cap America.
Deconstruction:
>Cap realizes that he is not a hero and that his ideals are false and have always been false so he delves into cynicism of 21st century.
Reconstruction:
>Cap finds a way to maintain his belief in old-fashioned ideals and instead of succumbing to pressure of 21st century. He finds a way to propagate his beliefs in new era by adapting to century's circumstances while not adapting to its false ideals.
DC on the other hand is actively deconstructing Superman and Batman similar to greatest deconstruction of comics in Watchmen. So in case of Superman we get:
Deconstruction:
>Superman is angry, confused person who has trouble with co-existing with humanity. Deep down he does not really believe in his ideals and lives an excruciating, bleak life. Thank you, Snyder
Reconstruction:
>Superman is troubled by hostility and immeasurable probles Earth and humanity are facing. He is conflicted about taking away humanity's freedom to solve its problems. Yet, he does it anyway because he never doubts good old-fashioned principles instilled in him. Superman is a genuine good person who really wants to save the world, no matter how hard it is for him.
>>68128328
If you talk shit on superfag movies you are dc or marvel fan or something. Seriously wish they would just shut this board down.
>>68129174
Oh I know that, and it's clever having batman the plaintiff, but it's so easily misinterpreted as batman vs superman. It's too clever for its own good.
>>68128328
The fact that so many capeshit threads are made is a clear indication that /tv/ has an average age of around 15-16 or the man child problem has reached an epidemic level.
>>68128328
I went the other way i think. I didn't mind cape shit at first, it was something different and new. Yeah, there had been comic book movies before, but now it was a "thing"
Now though i'm totally burned out on it. There's like 5 or 6 major comic book movies a year at least. it's total over kill, and i have no desire what so ever to even try to keep tabs on the various universes and plot points.
>>68129275
That's not what they're doing with Superman. They're building him into the icon we know and love, and the fact that it's not coming to him as some sort of cheap epiphany is just further to DC/Snyder's credit. He's not a freshly decanted paragon of moral infallibility. He's learning and we get to watch.
>>68129275
>>Superman is angry, confused person who has trouble with co-existing with humanity. Deep down he does not really believe in his ideals and lives an excruciating, bleak life. Thank you, Snyder
Did you miss the part where he proves everyone wrong?
>>68129127
>jew skellington Gadot
>"i don't give a fuck" Cavill
>"i did a wonderful joker" Eisenberg
not really
>>68129414
So you suggest its a prolonged, financially troubled and narratively unconvincing reconstruction spanning in several movies instead of being obvious deconstruction? Well, everyone sees what they want to see.
>>68129449
He did not prove anyone wrong. He has never been a Superman, just a confused Clark Kent with superpowers that had no idea what to do.
Ultimately that's the point. Captain America feels like Captain America, but Superman does not feel like Superman. That's the difference between reconstruction and deconstruction of a character.
>>68129360
capeshit post are made to promote the movies, and then you have the drones defending the shit.
it's all about marketing honey
>>68128381
>most people are aware that age of ultron was a weaker movie.
>atleast marvel fans are not as delusional
>implying this hard
jesus fuck, why are marveldrones so goddamn stupid? literally every dc fan knows the mistakes BvS made. in every thread, people talk about how the pacing was off as fuck but you don't see that because you're an illiterate retard
as bad as BvS was, it's still better than every MCU movie except for Iron Man 1 and Winter Soldier
>>68128328
/tv/ is not full of normalfags, memers and underage redditors who unironically like capeshit and star wars
>>68128461
Hm. That reads like comic dialogue...
WAIT A MINUTE
>>68129562
>He did not prove anyone wrong.
Did you forget the people rallying against him?
The media questioning him?
>End of love affair with man in the sky?
At the end of the movie everyone is gathered in his monument, even Bruce is optimistic.
>Men are still good speech.
>>68129562
it's even more simple.
batman is a cynic asshole batshit crazy and superman is a old fashioned all american good guy retard, like flanders (i am exagerating of course).
that's the joke when you confront them against their own belief, Snyder created two gloomy characters with nor real dichotomy between them.
>>68129584
>>as bad as BvS was, it's still better than every MCU movie except for Iron Man 1 and Winter Soldier
It isn't
>>68128328
WHY THE FUCK IS HAWKEYE LEAPING INTO BATTLE?
>>68129584
>literally every dc fan knows the mistakes BvS made
fuck you, good job.
NO FUCKING DKEK WILL ADMIT THE FLAWS OF BVS, ALL OF THEM ARE DELUDED INTO THINKING THAT "CAPEKINO" IS A REAL TERM YOU FAGGOT.
>>68129526
gadot is eh and eisenberg is good at his lex (but that really comes down to whether you like this lex or not, not eisenbergs acting/casting)
Cavill is good in MoS, great in BvS
Afflick is great
Jeremy irons is great
Amy Adams is great
Michael Shannon was great
Antje traue was great
The senator was great
Crowe was great
Costner is great
Laurence fishburne is great
Chris meloni was great
Say what you like about the writing or direction, but the cast is fantastic.
>>68129584
>as bad as BvS was, it's still better than every MCU movie except for Iron Man 1 and Winter Soldier.
you are right, as every critic and the BO is proving.
>>68129620
Now honey if you can't relate with them there's nothing to argue, that's your opinion. But to me everything worked like a fine-tuned machine.
atleast they tried
batman vs superman was terrible and uninspired
>>68129686
>that's your opinion
like yours fanboi
>>68129686
>that's your opinion
"it worked for me" isn't a valid response
>>68129652
You are being willfully ignorant if you believe this
>>68129705
See? Instantly on the defensive, the only deluded people I've seen is deniers who think no one actually enjoyed BvS,it's fucking great.
Say what you want, not a DCuck or Marveldrone, I don't automatically hate on Marvel movies either.
>>68129562
>everyone sees what they want to see.
The irony will last me all week. Just because you're overlooking themes doesn't mean they're not there to see. Conversely, just because I might be seeing faces in the clouds doesn't mean they're really there. The real question is how many times and by how many different people do these consistent faces have to be seen before people start handwaving it away as mere coincidence?
MoS is birth and it's overflowing with the imagery to support that. BvS is essentially Superman taking his first steps. He's still finding his path.
>>68129738
I've argued with brick walls for three weeks, I'm WAY past the point of caring.
>>68129629
>muh guardians and ant-man
even though I enjoyed both movies, they are basically another generic crapfest when you break them down which only makes me sad when it comes to guardians because I actually hoped for some artsy shit
>>68129681
>giving a shit about critics in this day and age
you mean the same critics that gave TFA 90% scores? kek, dream on disney shill
>>68129652
only retards aren't willing to admit the mistakes that were made. the only difference is the retards that aren't able to think for themselves and let others manipulate their own opinions...... and the ones that are too stupid to understand a simple capeshit story of course ("WHY DID SUPERMAN KILL ZOD GUYZE?!?!?")
>>68129757
>MoS is birth and it's overflowing with the imagery to support that. BvS is essentially Superman taking his first steps. He's still finding his path.
to this day, it amazes me how people fail to see and understand that when all imagery supports this claim
>>68129741
>buzzwords
come back when you can give a valid answer.
>>68128841
>What you take as "honest and realistic," I take as "depressingly cynical cashgrab."
Couldn't articulate it better. I can't in good conscience support Marvel, nor Di$ney.
>>68129614
Public reception within a movie has nothing to do with anything. They are not celebrating Superman, they are celebrating dark, gloomy, confused person who wears Superman's uniform because he saved them.
Superman does not feel like Superman for viewers, that's the main problem with both MoS and BvS.
>>68129785
>%
>>68129785
>you mean the same critics that gave TFA 90% scores?
>imblying George"clusterfuck" lucas is better
for real now, i liked TFA more than 5 out of the 6 prequels, as a movie is a better one if you can take off the nostalgia googles.
it doesn't deserve a 90% tho
>>68129757
I felt BvS was a bit more purposeful than MoS with its imagery and symbolism.
MoS felt very hamfisted by comparison. For example the "birth" imagery where superman destroys the world engine was retarded considering the woman representing the mother in labour had zero significance to Clark. It was very unnecessary since all it did was "look, this is the birth of superman, see!!?" the story itself already said that.
On the other hand BvS made parallels with other things like Excalibur and the art work, doomsday hitting superman with the monument which felt cleverer and added more information and dept to what was happening and each characters point of view.
>>68129850
>the English language is now buzzwords
>>68128510
True, but when the movie consists of tasseracts, unfun banter and unfun fights, what fun is there to have? Or do strongs themes, characters and execution make something somehow less fun? Strong doesn't mean heavy.
To me the essence of capeshit movies is encapsulated in the scene where captain america breaks a tree stump in half. You can see that it's a prop yet both production side and general audience side doesn't care. Almost noone cares that it's clearly a piece of colored foam that had only the very basic effort put into it to make it look somewhat real (it doesn't). Yet people who look for something real and made with heart in their entertainment should care and are perfectly justified to care. Yes, even if something is made to be simply fun.
>>68129965
>"it worked for me so is fine" is a valid argument
>>68129902
>i liked TFA more than 5 out of the 6 prequels
>as a movie is a better one if you can take off the nostalgia googles
this is the exact problem that BvS faces. people fail to see the overall story and therefore resort to seeing only the CGI and action scenes
TFA was in no way better than any of the prequels or originals except for maybe attack of the clones. TFA offered nothing new and only tried to impress with pretty CGI. the story elements lacked severely
>>68129822
>>68129873
It felt like a relatable character to me, not everyone could handle the immense burden that having his powers entail like he did.
>>68130006
looks like a reach right there but if it was intended..... interesting as fuck
>>68129943
I did kind of dig the fact that she was buried in the rubble, sort of making her representative of "Mother Earth."
>>68129987
Are you read other people and replying to me? I don't know what the fuck you are trying to say.
You're a fool if you think people who enjoyed BvS don't think it had flaws. How about actually reading the discussions here instead of shit posting like an idiot.
>>68130041
this so much. people spouting shit like "MUH BOYSCOUT SUPERMAN" need to shut the fuck up already
>society has done a 180 since the age of the internet started
>literally everyone can form an "opinion" nowadays
>people use that occasion to spread hatred and bitch all the time
superman from the movie was a saint. imagine a normal person having these kind of powers and literally everyone telling you to fuck yourself all the time. 99% of the people would start destroying whole cities on a daily basis
>>68129757
>>68129822
>>68129943
>Throwing ham-fisted symbols into BvS makes it deep and good movie
>Poorly executed deconstruction of Superman is just a part of masterplan, w-wait and s-see!
>It's 2deep4u
DCucks everyone
>>68130045
Oh, that's just one of many examples. Basically, the arrival of the Kryptonians prompted a "premature birth." They figuratively forced his birth as Superman before he was fully prepared to step into the role.
>>68129977
By that logic batman and Robin is the best capeshit yet because it fits your definition of fun.
>>68129943
>Literally mimicking shit and pretentious as fuck
I guess teenager will eat this up.
>>68128694
Failing to mention the dark knight series which is currently the best of the superhero genre and will be for sometime I'd imagine. Didn't hear your marvelfags complaining about that movie, now did i?
>>68130067
But my point was she was no one. She had no connection to Clark in any way, nor was she important to the plot in any way.
I'm saying the idea could have worked if it was Martha or someone who been supportive of Clark rising, but since it isn't it's pretty empty symbolism. It doesn't really tell us more than the movie already does.
>>68130045
It was intended, the "birth" of Superman was premature because the Kryptonians forced him to don the name before he was ready.
This explains how he was completely outclassed by Zod and got lucky.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZZIEkFk_NQ
We clearly see evolution in BvS.
>>68130093
I disagree, he wasn't a saint at all, he himself says it. He also lets his temper get the best of him in his fight with Bruce, again, playing with the theme that after MoS's "birth" he's now on the road to manhood, but he's still a "boy" that lets his emotions control him.
>Not everyone stays good in this world Lois.
>>68128461
>This is the dialogue in the first 3 minutes of AoU, lads.
And it was still better than anything in MoS or BvS.
>>68130182
Ah, I get what you're saying.
>>68130151
Too bad DC didn't stick with it and made MoS and BvS instead.
>>68130045
Look up "thesis on man of steel". It's 100% intentional.
>>68130098
I fail to understand why people as retarded as you can actually exist
nowhere in my comment (>>68129822) did I say that symbolism is the only thing that makes BvS great in my eyes. but nice way to put words into other people's mouths, really shows how smart you are
>Poorly executed deconstruction of Superman
>deconstruction
you're apparently one of those people who feel that an "adaption" has to be a 100% retelling of the comics. I understand that some people don't like that but I for one like a different and fresh take on a character. we have seen boyscout supes way too often and after a while it gets tiring and unrealistic as fuck
>>68130151
nolan's were good movies, once you realize that the "marveldrones" is some stupid meme to justify the Snyder's apologists you will understand that both DC and Marvel did shitty products.
DC animated movies are great, and the dark knight returns duology is better than BvS, suck it.
>>68130191
>he wasn't a saint at all, he himself says it
I meant in comparison with real people if they had the chance to get superman's powers. he grew up with his powers and his parents taught him to handle the powers responsibly. just look at how modern society values have changed. most people would just start robbing banks, benefitting themselves
>>68130231
>have seen boyscout supes way too often
and you dediced to drop it just when you needed it more, in a fight against batman.
fuck you.
>>68130243
>Snyder's apologists
There are no "Snyder apologists", there are no "DCucks in denial", just people that sincerely enjoy his movies. If you can't accept that because of what some critics say you have some serious introspection to do.
>>68130214
>thesis on man of steel
>thesis
is there an actual interview with snyder?
>>68130264
That's one of the central themes the movie touches, actually. What I like is that Superman is thrown in this cynical world very similar to our own, and he struggles immensely against this way of thinking, but at the end his actions cause people to have a change of heart.
>>68130287
This is a big problem I've found.
Years ago, my mate and I saw the trailer for Suckerpunch and went to it, knowing nothing about it. We enjoyed it for what it was. I came online to find a barrage of hate.
I'm glad I didn't listen to the critics and the Ledditors, otherwise I would have missed out on one of the best super hero flicks yet. BvS isn't perfect, but it tries to rise above the schlocky material and deliver something more 'mature'. I appreciate that and thought that when the movie worked, it knocked it out of the park.
the flash justice league advert scene might have been one of the most artistically repugnant things I've seen in my entire life.
You schizophrenic contrarians need to give it a rest.
>>68130151
Dark Knight series had no problems similar to MoS or BvS, hence no complaints. It was not a shitfest with "amazing symbolism". It was a darker and more serious version of a Marvel movie essentially, with a clear narrative and theme exploration. Like X-Men or any other competent comic book movie.
Too bad DC devolved into Snyder's "mix mindless excessive CGI battles and throw some symbols into there to make it appear smart" pretentiousness.
>>68130267
I would've rather had snyder do one of two things even if it's pretty ridiculous
>superman fights against batman because his vocal chords are temporarily affected by the kryptonite gas --> he can't explain his situation to batman
>superman only fights against batman because batman doesn't believe what superman tells him about lex' plan and only stops when he tells him "he wants to kill my mom"
"martha" wasn't really necessary as I think that "mom" would've been sufficient to show the contrast between superman and batman
>>68130366
The thing is, even after he says Martha batman hesitates but then is still about to go through with killing him.
It's when Lois shows up and explains shit that batman has his change of heart.
>>68130362
I enjoyed BvS in my first view mainly because it hit me right in the feels and it felt fresh in comparison with everything else, it was only after discussing it that I started to notice more of the subtext.
>>68130362
>It was not a shitfest with "amazing symbolism"
except for the fact that it was
>It was a darker and more serious version of a Marvel movie essentially, with a clear narrative and theme exploration
the only thing here that doesn't apply to BvS is the clear narrative. BvS is darker and has theme exploration but the focal problem is the editing/pacing which can ruin the overall experience
>>68130231
>getting this triggered over capeshit
DCfriends, just stop, Admit defeat gracefully. You are essentially feeding these people right now:
>>68128356
>>68128328
I don't think that anyone bothers defending these two shit movies from Whedon. Definitely the worst of MCU.
>>68128328
I think it's time for twats like you to respect fucking opinions you inbred
>>68130289
To clarify, it's a video on youtube. It's not an actual thesis nor that long, just the title.
Snyder is pretty terrible in interviews, he just seems really bad at explaining himself but I haven't really looked. There's so interesting interviews with afflick and terrio (or however you spell it), the writer of BvS.
>>68130287
>If you can't accept that because of what some critics say you have some serious introspection to do.
>blaming critics, can't accept other's opinions
apologist.
>>68130416
>It's when Lois shows up and explains shit that batman has his change of heart.
maybe it's just me but lois shouldn't have played this much of an important role (like in MoS). lois shouldn't have had to explain something like that to batman. he should've basically woken up from his rampage and seen that what he was doing was in fact wrong
>>68130449
>someone calls you out on your bullshit by writing a coherent response
>you respond like a child
I expected nothing less
>>68130506
thanks for proving my point
>>68130519
you didn't deluded Snyder fan.
Tell me how Fucerpunch was pure art and 2deep4u.
>>68128328
i hate that scene so much. glad i skipped ultron.
>>68130513
>maybe it's just me but lois shouldn't have played this much of an important role (like in MoS). lois shouldn't have had to explain something like that to batman. he should've basically woken up from his rampage and seen that what he was doing was in fact wrong
He was halfway there, but he needed help from someone else too. That's when Bats remembers that people need to stand together.
>>68130449
>admit defeat gracefully
>defeat
>buying into DC vs Marvel bullshit
Learn to judge films on their own merits dude.
Personally I hope BvS does well enough to justify a sequel. I really don't care if civil war makes over 2 billion, if it does the good for those that enjoy it. I don't see why both styles can't co exist.
>>68130564
yesh, AoU is the only one i can't even defend at some point, it's awful
>>68130561
Haven't seen it, and if I did happen to like it so what? No one is attacking your intelligence.
>>68130580
>Personally I hope BvS does well enough to justify a sequel. I really don't care if civil war makes over 2 billion, if it does the good for those that enjoy it. I don't see why both styles can't co exist.
Because Nolan did a darker coherent batman, Snyder couldn't.
i want BvS to flop so they hire a competent director and we can get good DC movies.
>>68130570
Is it just me, or do you think it was also in those silent moments when Bruce realized he'd been had and how? He throws the spear aside in anger and frustration. Do you think that was directed solely at himself or did he put it all together right there?
>>68130513
I disagree. Lois was essentially Clark's connection to humanity and mankind. Batman was embodying all of man kinds fears towards superman so it seemed fitting to me that Lois would be the catalyst to them bonding.
>>68130611
Nolan's Batman is the worst thing in the trilogy m8.
>>68130611
Rises is the most incoherent piece of crap capeshit I've ever seen. TDK barely makes sense too.
>>68130595
that's the thing.
if you say "i like it", fine, but you can see the apologist trying to give the movie a coat of sophistication and unrealistic deep to save face about why it didn't go well at the BO and the critics destroyed it.
>>68130627
There's a reason there's a callback to the opening scene too, he now sees himself in the other side of the gun that killed his parents.
>>68130561
not the guy you quoted but even though I liked watchmen, MoS and BvS I have to say that Sucker Punch was pure dogshit. maybe I have to see it a second time but a story was pretty much inconsistent. CGI and great action scenes sometimes just don't cut it
>inb4 "you didn't understand it"
I admit I almost fell asleep halfway through the movie and maybe didn't pay enough attention but it was pretty awful nonetheless
>>68130641
>>68130659
>it's a let's bash the only good movies in the DC universe to save snyderino
>>68130627
Not the guy you are replying to, but I think part of him realized he had become just like the killer of his parents, and threw it away in fear and disgust at what he had become. He had realized superman wasn't fighting out of selfishness, which changed how he saw him completely.
>>68130628
yeah but why the hell was she EVERYWHERE? I mean it was already annoying that she was a stalker in MoS but in BvS it's even worse
>I'll go fight Batman
>yeah......... I'm coming with
>>68130662
It's main reason these things are being discussed isn't to create apologist excuses, it's because like it or not these things are there, and it'sfunto discuss.
If you disagree you can hide those threads and pretend they're not there.
>>68130513
>someone calls you out on your bullshit by writing a coherent response
>you respond like a child
There is nothing to respond to, my DC friend, everything has already been said in numerous BvS threads.
You may pretend that your new "amazing superdeep fresh reinterpretation" of Superman is really that, but deep down you know that its not true. You just enjoyed a movie, or you may just be shitposting, or you are genuine DC fan who doesn't want to see his club to be visiously stomped upon by Disney corporation. Whatever the case may be, you've lost. Financially, critically, culturally. For every deep subjective reinterpretation of things you may provide there is a response that involves objective logic that puts your efforts moot. I may tell you why Superman as a character works only as boyscout, but you already know why yourself.
All you're doing is literally feeding Marvelfag shitposters with your tears, imaginary or not.
>>68128356
You really don't belong here then. This is some real obscure subreddit stunt /infinitechan shenanigans and you know it.
>>68130691
How long have you been on /tv/? Be honest.
The only reason the plane scene became such a giant meme is because of how fucking retarded that movie was. It was mocked relentlessly on here. The shit being flung at BvS is nothing compared to that.
>>68130665
>>inb4 "you didn't understand it"
there is nothig complicated to understand, Snydergists just pull that card becuase there is no way to prove otherwise.
>2deep4u!
>k, explain it to me.
>nope,haha, your pleb mind couldn't grasp the concept anyway!
>>68130362
Going the "realistic" route with superman like Nolan did with batman was a dead end to begin with. Batman can function cause its just a guy with money and tech, and lots of spare time. That is very easy to convert to a more real scenario like he did.
Superman just can't work. Hes an alien who is untouchable unless you have a lucky rock, and was raised as a farm boy by an all american bootstrapping farmer couple that had highly held moral values. Putting him in a "realisitc" scenario writes him into a corner, cause in a realistic case, Lex is right and not a villain. That's why Lex is even likable to begin with, he's practically the mirror of reason and reality in a "perfect" fantasy. The only way I can see a more real version of superman working is if you change the roles, and make Lex the hero but I seriously doubt anyone would take the risk and I'm sure even fewer would like it.
>>68130716
Who exactly are trying to convince, us or yourself?
>>68128328
I didn't watched the movie, but what is the context in this scene? They look like normal soldiers, isn't better to send just Iron Man to kill them or the Black Widow to infiltrate the place and do spy stuff?
>>68130693
Because they're psychically connected dude. Earth/Sky duality dude. Power of love dude.
Nolan did shit like that too in Interstellar.
>>68130722
Shut up DCuck
>>68130693
It made a little more sense in BvS. She knew where he was because he told her about batman and his mother and the bat signal gave away the location, plus I can't remember her conversation with lex but she must have gathered he was in danger.
In MoS it's worse. There is no reason for Zod to request her on his shit, nor her be on the plane going to the world engine, or her to show up at the end when clark kills Zod.
>>68130739
Yeah, except people have repeatedly explained it, in depth, made videos about, wrote analytical breakdowns of character motivations, and when all is said and done faggots like you go "lolautist."
>>68130739
I've quit trying to explain because of how obnoxious people get, honestly.
I like superhero movies because I work full time, they're nice to relax to.
Stay mad autists
>>68130789
thanks.
you assume that people that didn't like it just didn't understood the movie.
tha's not the point, an empty movie with QT shots is just that.
There is nothing to explain because every shit Snyder does is overstylized empty cinema fast food.
>>68130788
>There is no reason for Zod to request her on his shit
They extracted info from her too. Less chance of fucking up if you take both, Zod knows it because he was raised as a tactician.
First example that comes to mind, Kylo Ren fucked up by not doing this when he decides that kidnapping Rey was enough to get the info.
>>68130741
But lex isn't right.
Lex declares him evil solely based on the fact he has powers, not on how he does or could use them. Thats the major difference between him and batman. To lex anyone with power (other than himself) is bad.
It's the equivalent of saying Arnold is evil for having massive muscles, regardless of how he uses them.
>>68130775
>18+ years to post here.
Rules you out, capecuck. But I'm glad that you're semi-aware that you are the cancer of this board by not denying it and instantly outed yourself as another Marvel stormfags.
>>68130856
But how did they know to get her, why her?
I'm hoping I just missed something, I forgot about the extracting bit to begin with.
>>68130845
Prove you get why something as simple as the iconography is even there and I'll happily bow out of this discussion.
>>68130882
Honestly can't remember, need to rewatch MoS, but as far as I can recall I didn't have trouble with Lois being there too.
Many perceived plot holes and gripes in that movie can be explained.
Kek, there's even a youtube channel entirely dedicated to it. Feel like I'll end up doing the same if I go on like this.
>>68130864
Lex only declares him evil to get what he wants from other people. Lex doesn't think Superman is any more evil than Lex himself is. To Lex, Superman is just a guy with something he wants to take.And it's not his powers
>>68128328
What's bad about this? If it's the way Thor's moving keep in mind he's flying with a magic fucking hammer and can move his body at superhuman speeds.
>>68130910
Didn't she volunteer to go? Would make sense as a journalist with a front tow seat to a world-changing event.
>>68130886
>iconography changes the entire concept of the movie
yeah, no
>>68130964
That's not an explanation, faggot.
>>68130742
I want you to admit that Marvel is superior
>>68130988
Doesn't need one you retard, the message is fucking clear, isn't complicated at all.
2deep4u is a meme for a reason
That scene of them smashing the robots with the camera circling around them is even worse
>>68131003
And I want you to suck Disney's dick. Oh wait. You already are.I win.
>>68131039
He asked you a simple question.
>>68131039
Be so kind as to explain it then. Forgive me, I am but an humble pleb and must have my superiors explain things to me.
Don't be scared. I know you can do this.
>>68130910
For the record I liked MoS, and most question about it I've had were just because I didn't catch everything. I payed a lot more attention during BvS and no no problems.
>>68130921
What makes you say this?
Him turning the painting upside down says otherwise, which was a very important thing showing his psyche. It's pretty clear he wants superman dead, exposed or hated simply because of what superman is. He wants power and control and Clark is the embodiment of freedom.
>>68131079
>>68131116
"To escape her desperate situation, Baby Doll retreats into her mind, imagining herself the newest addition to a hellish brothel that closely parallels the institution."
oh shit, soooo deep.
>>68130964
But that's wrong.
You don't need so awful comic book like exposition to convey information about a scene or character. Films a visual medium and you're choosing to ignore visual information.
>>68131180
>Films a visual medium and you're choosing to ignore visual information.
The core of a movie should be ni the script anon, all the rest adds to the experience.
in any case giving a blockbuster to Hack was a mistake.
>>68131145
We don't know exactly when he did that, though, and it might have been influenced by, let's say "outside forces."
Just check this >>68085583 out when you get a chance.
>>68128328
>2016
>thinking anything said on this Japanese sushi trading board is real and isn't just shitposting for shitposting sake
Hello, newfriend! Remember to read the FAQ!
>>68131228
What are your complaints about its script?
>>68131271
Shut up DCuck
>>68131149
If she's trying for escapism to retreat from her shitty circumstances, why is she imagining a situation that is almost as bad? I never got that.
>>68131149
I'm not talking about Sucker Punch, Haven't seen it, Does it even contain any iconography?
I'm talking about what's present in BvS.
>>68131058
Gr8 banter, m8. You are not only clearly sucking Snyder's dick, you are getting sexually aroused by witnessing your favorite movies fail over and over. Its pretty clear that being a cuck is worse than being a fan of Marvel. And how is that synomymous with sucking Disney's dick? Projecting too much?Cuckery - a "thinking man's" (DC friend) fetish
>>68131283
nothing, it was a simple script and apologists are tying to make a cult classic out of this and if you say it was a dumb movie with nice shots (like any snyder film) you hear the 2deep4u meme.
we are going in circles here. .
>>68131308
She is escaping to situations where she has the power to fight back.
WOWOWOWOWWWWWW SO DEEP MIND BLOWN SNYDER FOR PRESIDENT WOAAAAAAH faggots...
>>68131335
Wait, which side it it that's supposed to be all butthurt again?
>>68131363
And why should you care if people like Snyder's films?
>>68128328
This was the moment I turned off the movie
>>68131397
you are full of questions friendo.
i don't care, i liked 300 and watchmen when they came out, i am pretty sure they didn't aged well if i see them now tho.
what i do care is when someone points out that a critically failure and flop in the box office is too smart for the regular public.
maybe the movie is just bad or dumb.
>>68131245
I'm off to bed by ill give it a read tomorrow.
I like that Lex's motivations aren't simple or clear, but we are given enough information to deduce multiple possibilities to what they are. It makes him a far more mysterious villain than most capeshit movie produce, with plenty of room for expansion. I'm really interested to discover how much of what he's said is a lie, and what was him being honest. I've seen many people on here claim everything he's said is a lie, but I never got that impression. He quite distinctly talks in euphemisms (with only the senator seeing through it) which I think is the key to discovering his intentions.
>>68131425
I stood up and walked OUT during the post-credit scene
>>68131448
bruh, you sound like an underage
i think its 4chan's bedtime. Don't let the justice league advertising dreams bite.
>>68131589
Great rebuttal friendo.
>>68131633
JL will be capekino, for real this time...
>>68131710
BvS was capekino already
>>68131685
rebuttal to what?
And still I wait for someone like >>68131149
to explain the purpose of the religious iconography in BvS(MoS, too, really).
>>68131735
>>68128328
Ah, DCuck tears
>>68129584
>as bad as BvS was, it's still better than every MCU movie except for Iron Man 1 and Winter Soldier
This is the kind of delusion that makes DCucks stand out from normal fans. BvS was on par with the worst of MCU, I'm talking Thor 2 territory.
>>68131773
what does it change in the story the iconography anon?
i don't see a purpose in there, just pretentious shit for the fanbois to jerk over.
>>68131833
It's both to clue you in to what Clark's really struggling against, what Lex really wants, and to hint at how things might be even tougher for Clark moving forward.
I don't want to spell it out just yet, because I'm still waiting for Mr. "2DEEP4U" to either put up or shut up.
Holy fuck, i just finished watching aou, that last scene with the vision and ultron is smarter than the entirety of bvs.
Keep trying to rationalize your pretentious failure of a movie.
WHALE, HUNTERS MARTHA, BRUCE IM FUTURE SUPERMANS A BIG GUY WATCH OUT!
>why does /tv/ [...]
What /v/ wants is irrelevant. Completely. /tv/ is less popular than fucking /a/. /tv/ is a minority in a minority. In short, 4chan isn't some massive example of 'normies'. You can hate Marvel and claim BvS is capekino of the highest order and is a masterpiece and make shit loads of excuses, but in the end, the only thing that matters is the public doesn't agree with you.
>>68131903
AOU might have been a shitty movie, but I liked Vision more than anything I saw in BvS.
>>68129996
>TFA was in no way better than any of the prequels or originals except for maybe attack of the clones
>p-people just failed to see the incredible story
>DCucks
>>68131895
it's not that amazing anon, so you got references to jesus and moby dick.
so fucking what, you think people in the theater didn't get that bullshit?
>>68131933
Bettany's Vision is the best part of that movie, really.and Scarlet witch tits
>>68131903
DING DING DING DING DING DING
MMMMM
BOYS
DO YOU KNOW THE OLDEST LIE IN AMERICA?
GRANNY'S PEACH PISS
![1420930399101[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/QTRnl41.jpg "1420930399101[1].jpg")
>>68131903
>>68131964
I'm not convinced even you did yet. I reiterate:
What was the religious imagery there to convey?
Stop dodging and explain it. You either got it or you didn't. There's nothing wrong with that, but there's plenty wrong with being dismissive for no sake other than to protect your own ego.
![girls_laughing[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Lv2l4Py.jpg "girls_laughing[1].jpg")
ITT plebs unintentionally expose themselves once again
>>68131395
Just stop replying, dumbass
>>68131946
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
> High Ground
>i luv u no i luv u more no I LUV U MORE NO BITCH I LOVE YOU!
It was better than all of them, and it still is only an okay movie. The prequels are fucking horrid imo.
>>68132083
Is it OK if I just reply to you instead? I'd hate to reply to anyone without your permission.
>>68132070
>Someone spouting 4chan meme words trying to judge people
>>68132040
>What was the religious imagery there to convey?
it doesnt matter, again.
so if no one understood "muh imagery" what?
a person from another religion or a person in another country can't understand the movie is he doesn't get the jesus crap?
>>68132125
If the shoe fits...
>>68131773
Look, even if the religious iconography in the film, which was totally obvious, served a purpose important to the film, it still doesn't make the film good.
>>68132126
SPACE MUHAMMAD WILL KILL ALL APOSTATES, YOU WILL BE CRUSHED TO DEATH IN YOUR DECADENCE AND YOUR CULTURE OF HEDONISM WILL FINALLY COME TO AN END.
