last one was a shit fest. get in here if you can behave.
Lindelof pretends the answers to mysteries don't matter because he can't write
Don't know why people have such a hard time with the premise. The show uses the worldwide unexplained disappearance to bring to the forefront humanity's anxieties about death and the universe. What's our place in it? What does it all mean? How can I feel safe when I could disappear at a moment's notice? All those questions applied before The Departure and they apply after, The Departure is just used so that the old rationalisations no longer work as well as they once did and we have a kind of "Year Zero" where humanity has to find meaning all over again.
![the.leftovers.s02e04.720p.hdtv.x264-0sec.mkv_snapshot_51.23_[2015.12.17_22.52.56].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/QNgriWE.jpg "the.leftovers.s02e04.720p.hdtv.x264-0sec.mkv_snapshot_51.23_[2015.12.17_22.52.56].jpg")
third for nora
>>63836941
If its not going to develop the hook, why have it?
Relevant
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2F4G5H_TTvU
where the departure went is important to the story stop saying it isn't. if it doesn't get explained this show will go down as a shitty character drama with terrible dialogue.
>>63836852
TD1>>>>>>>>Fargo1>>Fargo2>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>TD2>Leftovers2>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Leftovers1
You all know this to be true.
>>63836907
Okay, your choice.
>>63836866
We're talking more about why they have practices like smoking, wearing white, etc.
Also I think that's a lazy simplification of what they represent in the show.
>>63836939
>>63836994
I just explained why.
>The Departure is just used so that the old rationalisations no longer work as well as they once did and we have a kind of "Year Zero" where humanity has to find meaning all over again.
The point of the story isn't "Where'd they go?" it's "How do you live in a world where you'll never know?"
>>63837030
I dislike how they just dropped Aimee
I mean I get that she became irrelevant (sort of, why was she with gumbo from time to time?)
>>63837030
She ugly af fąm
>>63837030
The show is lazy. As the stages of grief is the laziest popsci bullshit attempt to quantify/chart grief since the last lazy bullshit attempt to quantify grief. And the stages of grief are the core of the show, next to the supernatural bullshit. They're angry because they think everyone is in denial, so they try to make people angry.
no responding to the baiters
>>63837067
If the hook doesn't matter, why have it?
>>63837139
>anyone who criticizes the leftovers is trolling
:^)
>>63837067
If they didn't make the first episode seem like it was a big mystery and the focus I doubt most people would have minded as much.
Like rectify advertising itself as about the criminal than the crime
>>63837159
I've explained twice now why the Sudden Departure is crucial to the plot of the show. In what sense does it not matter?
>>63837125
>They're angry because they think everyone is in denial, so they try to make people angry.
Well, this I'll agree with. I have to admit I have zero interest in your opinions on the show itself though. I've lost all respect your perspective.
>>63837023
>Fargo1>>Fargo2
>>63837264
he's correct
>>63837159
Because Lindelof is a pandering hack. He doesn't have the chops to make a decent drama without resorting to, "shit happens because randomness, and probably ghosts or aliens."
>>63837228
The first episode did nothing of the sort. Was the first episode about the scientists tracking down clues to explain the Departure? No it was about people who are confused and grieving. Which is what the show has been about from then on.
>>63837306
'mo'
>>63837324
Come on senpai, the show goes out of it's way to make you ask a million questions, it could've been a lot worse in that vein sure but it was still kind of aggressive.
>>63837231
Because the nature of a loss doesn't change the mechanisms people employ to cope with the loss, unless it adds a new coping mechanism, which it doesn't.
So the show could easily not have the giant supernatural elephant-in-the-room hook, that it will refuse to examine, address, or develop... but making shows without hooks doesn't bring viewers.
my ex fucking loves this show and told me i should watch it and stick it out through the first season because the second was so much better
but it turns out i really liked the first season and thought the second was garbage
i don't care about answers to the big mystery, i'm on board with not knowing about it. i liked how season 1 felt like relatively normal people losing their shit in the wake of an inexplicable event and the way the world changed with the cults springing up and the weird businesses like the department who go around interviewing people and the guys making mannequins and there's all those grief metaphors and it felt pretty solid
then the second season just went full retard and emphasised the most retarded elements and introduced a bunch more stupid mystical bullshit and every episode is another plot twist and another character's CRAZY ADVENTURES and no one even has a job any more let alone bearing any resemblance to a real person dealing with shit, they're all just fantasy characters in this stupid fantasy land
>>63837403
dumb drakeposter
>tfw watching S1 on acid
Literally thought I was going to have a heart attack because of how anxious it was making me
>>63837452
>>63837426
>Because the nature of a loss doesn't change the mechanisms people employ to cope with the loss, unless it adds a new coping mechanism, which it doesn't.
How do you know? Do you have another supernatural event to compare to the one in the show?
laurie has disgusting hips, a gross turkey neck and almost dreads.
>>63837530
yeah, i've went 35 years without touching a girl
>>63836939
It's much harder to write a character drama than it is a fantasy. Fantasy you literally just make up shit. Character drama requires understanding the human condition.
>>63837569
her lips are the strangest thing about her, not her hips.
>>63837426
2% of the people on earth vanished, 2000 years ago someone told a story that a guy came back to life after three days and it changed the world, you really think people would just shrug off the Sudden Departure like it was nothing?
>>63837530
... no one in the show employs any sort of coping mechanism/behavior that doesn't exist in reality
episode 9 of both seasons FUCKING BLOW
>>63837654
i liked the international assassin shit. it wasfun]/spoiler]
>>63837645
So you want this thread to be a religion troll thread? Is what you're telling me?
>>63836852
Hi, I'm here for the shit fest.
>>63837600
The Leftovers is literally "The Human Condition: The Show"
>>63837697
that was ep 8
>>63837714
thats actually mad men and its done in a less obvious way
>>63837651
The government in actively murdering civilians because cults have become such a problem, and the cults are such a problem because millions of being disappeared inexplicably. Explain a way to do that without a supernatural element.
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>>63837702
I AM ANGRY AT YOU FOR COMPLETELY UNDEFINED REASONS
ISN'T THAT MYSTERIOUS
>>63837743
shit, what happened in episode 9 then?
oh wait, that was the meg and tommy episode, right?
fair enough
so is Laurie supposed to be 73?
>>63837773
... that's not exactly a coping mechanism, but governments do have a history of exterminating cults. Branch Davidians are a good example of this.
![The.Leftovers.S01E04.720p.BluRay.x264-REWARD.mkv_snapshot_14.25_[2015.12.19_22.28.43].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/BVN8QvK.jpg "The.Leftovers.S01E04.720p.BluRay.x264-REWARD.mkv_snapshot_14.25_[2015.12.19_22.28.43].jpg")
Why did his car stop working when he said "I just want to stop dealing with the fucking baby Jesus."?
>>63837792
There's nothing undefined about her reasons. She's angry that people are forgetting about the rapture.
was Kevin cheating on his wife when the departed happened?
>>63837701
No I'm just saying that something like the Sudden Departure would have huge philosophical and spiritual implications for mankind. For a secular example the 1755 Lisbon Earthquake changed the course of western philosophy by once again bringing the problem of evil to the forefront.
>>63837792
He was generally abusive and didn't come to her for his sexual gratification.
>>63837878
they literally show you the scene, do you even watch this show famo?
>>63837403
DUDE UFOS LMAO
>>63837841
>... that's not exactly a coping mechanism
Sure it is. Just like the fireman from season 2 burning down houses or exiling anyone he thinks is giving people false "answers". In our world, people would be livid if the government suddenly started murdering citizens, even if they were Scientologists. In the world of the Leftovers, everyone is fine with it, because everyone is broken.
I skipped like half the shit in this show even though I genuinely enjoy it
>>63837934
i didnt get a look at the women. so he was cheating?
>>63837953
that episode with Matt where he gambled I literally skipped every two minutes and got the gist of it lmao this show is so trash
>>63837967
He was literally balls deep and the bitch disappeared out from under him.
>>63837997
thats one of the few episodes I watched
But tommy's, meg's GR's, Laurie's. jesus christ I just could not care less.
>>63837883
Well, if the show was actually examining anything on that scale, that'd be nice.
The problem is its just showing people acting unrealistically because of the unrealistic premise.
The central 'mystery' of this show is the same asL O S T: why are the Others/G.R. such fucking dicks?
>>63837967
you didn't need to get a look at the woman, what the fuck? he took her back into a motel and was smashing her when she departed. Seriously, do you even pay attention?
>>63838024
Are you for real? Tommy is easily the best character in this show and needs to be explored more desu
>>63838068
literally autism
>>63838041
How isn't it doing that? You see new religions springing up all over the place. And how are people acting unrealistic given the kind of spiritual outrage the Departure represents?
>>63838103
can someone tell me what episode this scene happened where he fucked a girl who departed, I have no memory of this
>>63837997
That is legitimately one of the best episodes of the show.
>>63838133
Ep 9 Season 1 the Departure flashback ep.
>>63838103
don't find tommy interesting, just don't give a shit about his arc
>>63837952
Just like how everyone was fine with the GR committing 50+ acts of kidnapping by stopping the -schoolbus, right? Which would make everyone involved in that stunt guilty of enough crimes to put them in prison for AT LEAST a century?
I mean if we're in the conversation where everyone in the world has been broken, because 1 in 50 people vanished, to the level that some basic reactionary forces aren't functional anymore, like riot control and media outrage at a schoolbus bomb threat enacted by the show's equivalent of the WBC, how is government or society functioning at all?
>>63838133
Season 1, Episode 9. Some anon must have a .webm of the scene.
>>63837023
TD 2 > Leftovers 1 > Leftovers 2 > Fargo 1 > TD 1
haven't seen Fargo 2 yet
>>63837067
then why did they add that purgatory bullshit in this season
>>63838233
It was interesting in that the afterlife is only more frustrating and unknowable than our world.
>>63838332
naw it's pretty straightforward: complete the quest and get the reward! it's videogame shit
>>63838370
Why do you automatically think of videogames? fucking manchild
>>63838370
>complete the quest
More like "unlock the cheevo"
Cause all he had to do the second time was unlock the karaoke achievement.
>>63838386
Because that's exactly how the sequences were written?
>choose your character!
>find the questgiver!
>uh oh, random encounter!!
>>63838452
try and stop thinking about videogames for 20 seconds, or 10 if that's too much.
>>63838472
at this point you're really just proving leftovers fans lack familiarity with a lot of media.
>"leftovers is deep and mature drama for adults!"
>literal video game segment
>ANYONE WHO POINTS OUT ITS A VIDEO GAME SEGMENT IS A CHILD!!! MY SHOW IS FOR ADUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUULLLLLLLLLLLLTTTTTTTTTTSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>63838535
By that logic anything where someone does a thing is like a videogame. Only some illiterate gamer would say such a thing.
>>63838535
You're doing a very poor job of proving you're an adult.
>>63838497
>>63838535
>these are the people who have been shitting on the leftovers all day
>>63838677
Yea, its just one or two people.
Most people don't even know the show exists.
The show is shit, that's why nobody watches it and it's getting cancelled. It's boring as fuck and it's all the worst parts of Lost writing
If the next season starts with Mary dying or receding back into her coma i will flip my shit
>>63838796
this, where's all the two words: hella fu*cing epic smoke monsters and bears n shit?
was tommy raped?
Shoutout to the haters
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4Bl_VQ2inM
>>63838796
>The show is shit, that's why nobody watches it
Following that logic, TBBT is the best show on television.
>and it's getting cancelled.
It isn't. Lindelof wanted three seasons. The book ended at one.
>>63838968
he never said no and it didn't last for more than 30 seconds so no
so did patti actually stone that bitch or was she trying to rustle kevs jimmies
I was irritated by Kevin just being cool with murphy after being fucking killed by him.
I mean I get it and everything but goddamnit.
>>63839015
by his real father i mean.girls cant rape silly
>>63839027
I think so. You see her before in a scene with Patty crying.
>>63839006
>>The show is shit, that's why nobody watches it
>Following that logic, TBBT is the best show on television.
>>and it's getting cancelled.
>It isn't. Lindelof wanted three seasons. The book ended at one.
Viewership isn't the only indicator of a quality tv show, but having zero fucking viewers every single week is indicative of a boring as fuck, shit show.
And it is being cancelled. They just pretended that Lindeloff only wanted three seasons. If that was the case they wouldn't have waited as long as they did to announce the third season.
>>63839175
>as long as they did
it wasn't even a week after airing
>>63839237
Shows that have a planned out 3 seasons don't wait until the week after the 2nd season finale to announce it has been renewed for a third season.
Boring as fuck, shit shows that are in danger of being cancelled do.
>tfw plebs try to understand The Leftovers
>>63839339
what are some of your favourite "boring as fuck, shit" shows?
>>63839175
>Viewership isn't the only indicator of a quality tv show, but having zero fucking viewers every single week is indicative of a boring as fuck, shit show.
lol ass-pull
THEY NEED TO EXPLAIN WHAT THE FUCK THE DEPARTURE WAS OR IM GOING TO FORCE DAMON TO WATCH LOST SEASON 6 - THIS SHITTY SHOW AND PROMETHEUS WITH NO BREAKS BEFORE DECAPITATING HIM
>>63839532
they all went the wrong way down a one way street
>>63839532
Pleb mindset in a nutshell.
Are the mysteries random or are they connected somehow?
>>63839841
random
>>63839841
they are all lies
>>63839841
Turns out the jews did it.
damn the chick who kevin fucks that departs is a literal 10 i would go nuts too if pussy like that vanished fugg
![guiltyremnant_01[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/6iUekId.jpg "guiltyremnant_01[1].jpg")
me on the leftover
why were tommy and jill so touchy feely? the def fucked right?
>>63840195
That nigga with the flashlight would make /fa/ jealous.
did aimee fug kevin while he was sleep walking?
>>63840221
Tommy and Laurie might have.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRgEvCvPwHk
How did he know?
>>63840356
know what?
>>63840356
Jill was in trouble.
>>63840356
he saw some jailbait in the forest and was like oh shit theres one in this here fridge oh fugg thats my grand daughter uhh dont tell anyone i was here
![tony_soprano_finale[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Hc72i9A.jpg "tony_soprano_finale[1].jpg")
>>63840443
>>63840356
its a mystery!
The mystery is more interesting than the answer!
>>63841044
Exactly! It's not lazy writing, it's the journey! The people who don't get it are all plebs!
>>63841044
>>63841081
>I'm not a plebe I swear!
pfft. kid
>>63841044
THERE ARE NO MYSTERIES IN THE SHOW. STOP CALLING THEM THAT.
Might as well ask, what did Kevin eat for breakfast?? What a mystery!
When does Kevin take a shit??
WHAT A MYSTERY?
Did kevin cause the departure? he was fuckin girl before girl departs then laurie loses her babie like as karma and then his son gets the power to hug the fuck out of sad people and also he cant die
So a bunch of people disappear and cults are created... what happens in this show?
>>63841805
... you're being sarcastic, but that sounds exactly like how damon lindelof spitballs.
>>63841862
Well, he can die, he just has to perform a little video game test to respawn.
>tfw thinking of old /tv/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoryaJqzOhU
LET THE FUCKING MYSTERY BE
DON'T HOLD YOUR BREATH
ANY TIME NOW
FUCK OFF
What was with that magazine?
>>63842216
he needed to know the truth
I liked Season 1 more than Season 2...it seems it's the opposite for the fandom.
>>63842424
Same here. theroux turned into a bitch in season 2.
>>63842216
dad was craycray, lol
>>63842465
he literally shot families in their sleep in season 2
????
>>63842424
I thought season 1 had simultaneously better and worse writing than season 2. In how they eventually ditched the split personality kevin bullshit in season 2, but they made him (and everyone else) into a completely different character, almost overnight.
>>63842465
Tbh, I loved the gloomy, depressing vibe I got from Season.
The excitement and mystery of GR, their intentions, and the climax.
I loved seeing the Garvey family and the lives of the people in Mapleton being torn apart.
Season 2 was totally different.
so why did a bunch of GR end up in the middle of nowhere in a container?
>>63842867
To make Miracle remember.
They are living reminders,
and no-one can be spared.
I watched S1 but dropped it. Could someone please spoil S2 for me?
this show is worse than Wilfred with all the spoopy mysteries
>>63843280
nora jill black baby and kevin move to miracle with matt jamison and they move next to black neighbors where the guy gets asshurt about anyone saying there's miracles in Miracle and the night they all meet the black neighbors daughter disappears and kevin wakes up with rope and cinderblocks tied to his legs in the middle of an empty lake next to the car of the neighbor daughter so kevin leaves but puts his dirty palm on car - meanwhile laurie made an anti-GR militia and Tommy became holy tommy - meanwhile kevin is still freakin about seeing Patti and he tells nora about it and she gets the fuck out so kevin decides to take up old black man's offer (black neighbors exiled dad who he tried to kill) who says he has to die and he says no and meets laurie and asks her to come live with them then he goes and kills himself and wakes up in purgatory and becomes an assassin and kills Patti and holy wayne then pushes baby patti into a well then jumps in the well and drowns old patti and crawls out of the ground then as he's going home he gets picked up by black neighbor bceause his prints were matched and he gets killed by black neighbor but he fails to kill again and wakes up in a bar and has to sing a song to get back home also the GR are doing some stupid shit and black neighbor daughter was with the GR all along
>>63843513
Thanks but ugh this seems even more retarded than S1
>>63838796
it's been renewed twice in spite of awful ratings because of their faith in the quality of the show
>One of the best shows on television right now
>Probably DoA on it's 3rd season
>GoT and twd are at 6 seasons
>>63845029
based
>>63843513
when u write it like that it seems so retarded, but it was so guuuuuuuuuuud
>>63836852
I liked season 1, made it though the first 3 of season 2, lost interest.
>>63837449
>second season went full retard
I felt the same way, only made it 3 episodes in and stopped
