How do orcs know what menus are?
>>62810617
He's actually saying "meat's back on the men, you boys"
>>62810617
They don't. It's bad writing from Fran Walsh and Philipa Boyens.
>>62810617
it's a metaphorical menu
>>62810617
What, you're saying Orcs can't read?
>>>/pol/
They wuz kings and shit before the Humans and Elves oppressed them.
![Tolkien3_01[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Zo9JdS6.jpg "Tolkien3_01[1].jpg")
>>62810617
they're not speaking English any more than the Hobbits are, the whole story is paraphrased with nearest-analogue words and phrases.
according to Tolkien Sam Gamgee's actual name was Banazîr Galbasi. seriously.
>>62810617
The'menyu was one of the Orcs. He's referring to him having lost a lot of weight during their campaign
>>62810617
Where did the Orcs learn to speak English, I thought England didn't exist in Middle Earth?
>>62810857
>mfw this is actually true
>>62810857
>san was a kebab
Doesnt suprise me
>>62810857
So what is the nearest analogue word of Menu to Orcs?
>>62810973
explains why he was so keen to buttfug frodo
>>62810617
Why didn't they just eat the man flesh ?
He probably said something like schedule or list and either Frodo, Sam, Merry or Pippin decided to embellish the translation.
>>62811000
your mom
>>62810696
The thread should have ended after this post
>>62811057
But how would they know what he was saying? They don't understand black speech
>>62811102
Most Orcs spoke common.
>>62810857
Story was written in english. Most of westron "original" names came later.
I got the hobbit and the fellowship on my book shelf. I really need to get around to reading these books. They're not even that long.
>>62810734
Yes, but in order for the orcs to understand metaphors, they must know what real menus are. This suggests that a least the majority of the orcs have dining experience where they order from menus.
What were they eating before if they didn't have meat?
I find it hard to believe Orcs were going around picking berries
>>62811227
Saruman had the best restaurant in all of middle earth,him and his commander uruks would go there and fine dine
>>62811189
you fuck I could could have gotten at least 4 more (You)s out of that post
>>62811192
When i read these books first time i can't even imagine that they would come to big screen. Same with the Witcher. This was near 15 years ago, The Witcher wasn't even completely out / translated.
http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Westron
>>62810617
how would people in a medieval style civilization know what a menu is, when the restaurant and menu only came into being in the second half of the 18th century?
>>62811274
What it would be for you form (You)s?
>>62811247
stinkin maggoty bread
they went around picking maggots to bake in their bread
>>62811247
>We ain't had nuthin but maggoty bread for three stinkin days!
>>62811278
My hesitation comes from the fact that I love the movies and feel like I'll either nitpick the books, or it'll make me retroactively dislike the movies. I know it's stupid and I should be able to seperate that two in my mind.
>>62810957
GOORSHH
>>62811333
do maggots even show up in bread? they only eat dead meat right?
>>62811332
>>62811333
Oh okay. I haven't seen these movies in a while
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_and_formal_equivalence
>>62811332
>picking up wild maggots which are probably diseased when you could buy high-quality Elf-fed free range maggots
If I knew a restaurant in Mordor that didn't let orcs of your class book a table I would eat at it.
>>62810617
Because orcs are a civilised and sophisticated people with a rich and fascinating culture. Don't belief the elf-controlled media that depict them as monsters or savages.
>>62810617
How does Gimli know what a nervous system is?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1s4Tr7Ag9M
The hobbits went to a pub/inn thing in the first one. Pubs have menus. It would have been part of the vocabulary.
>>62811457
They have more advanced industry than any other race in Middle-Earth. That has to count for something.
>>62811346
Movies don't even come close, except for music. I read these books by an complete accident, cover was really plain and i was expecting something akin Walter Scott. Got something different, that was the first fantasy book i read and the last. I was completely stunned by this new world. You are lucky to be able to read them for the first time.
>>62810650
I always thought he was making a comparison
"Looks like me, these Baconmen, you boys"
>>62811475
Medieval pubs and inns didn't work that way. They made one type of food and served it on request. If it was lamb stew that day, that's what you were eating.
>nervous system
>>62811611
the dwarfs had a functional understanding of neuroscience
>>62811466
>>62811611
>implying dwarves aren't the best doctors in middle earth
>inb4 some elf shitter comes along and tries to argue back
>muh herbs and voodoo magic
>>62810617
Because they eat out a lot. Eat out ur mum
>>62810617
how do you know that the uruk hai dont eat according to strict menus set up in their platoons?
Did Gandalf know Bilbo had a ring of power in the Hobbit? I'm pretty sure he did. If so, why didn't he proactively assume it was Sauron's ring? It might be jumping to conclusions, but finding Sauron's ring was literally his top objective in Middle-Earth. Don't you think it would have been a good idea to find out, just to be safe?
So he didn't know how you had to put it in the fire, but couldn't he have gone from the Shire to Minas Tirith and back in less than a year on horseback? That means he would have discovered it was One Ring 59~ years earlier. Would have been a lot easier when Isengard was a marginal power, the Gap of Rohan was open, Rohan's army was free to do whatever, Gondor was stronger, and the dwarves of Erebor and men of Dale weren't under siege by Easterlings. He could have marched them all to the Black Gate and lay siege while he had all the greatest heroes of the time go through or around Mordor's mountains and assure the ring got there.
>>62811485
This, they created an armory that armed 10,000 Uruk-Hai and gave them all plate armor in an extremely short amount of time.
>>62811649
>mfw this is literally what happened to legolas' mum
![Gollum_not_listening[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/AHojcmK.jpg "Gollum_not_listening[1].jpg")
>>62811716
>Jackson will never release those deleted scenes
>>62811677
He was smoking hobbit weed too much. Saruman even calls him out on that shit.
>>62811611
>>62811466
>too new to know thats the joke OP was making
>>62811062
DESTROYED!!
Mordor represented the danger of industrialisation to the idealised rural Shire. It therefore makes sense that some kind of proto-industrial society would have developed there, including things like restaurants, theatres and art galleries. The officer class (such as the leader orc in this scene) would have been an essential part of the bourgeois orcs which were familiar with such establishments.
>>62811897
From my point of view menu is evil
>>62811897
kek
>>62810857
I love how Tolkien insisted LotR was a real historic document and he was translating it. Walking such a fine line between genius and insanity.
>>62811897
Do you think perhaps maybe in the future there would be Orc restaurants in Rivendell? :)
>>62811897
Tolkien hated the French, basically
How did they know what fireworks are... if there is no chinks in middle earth
Um... why the FUCK is there a forum with clone posts from /tv/ where everyone is assigned bogus usernames?
http://sheekyforums.com/thread/62810617/television-and-film/how-do-orcs-know-what-menus-are.html
>>62812167
clickbait
>>62812133
>if there is no chinks in middle earth
>what are easterlings
shaking my head to be honest
>>62811989
Rivendell was abandoned when the Elves left ME, perhaps some orc refugees found their way there in time, seeking shelter from the persecution of the primitive men and/or dwarves and/or Hobbits. It's hard to imagine the shame of an orc who was a recently graduated doctor in Morder forced to scavenge berries on the run just to live.
MENUS?
Orcs actually have a society. They're actually pretty smart when they're not up against things with plot armour.
>>62812167
Chinese moot does this to sell our info
>>62810650
What did he mean by this?
Good thread t b h
>"What do you smell?"
>"Maanf Lesh"
Pretty rude to make him feel all self conscious like that
>>62812232
Easterlings are Arabs, do the orientals even get representation in LOTR?
>>62813852
Worst meme to ever spawn from /tv/, kill yourself.
>>62812167
This site has to be logging IPs as well. There are multiple posts with the same username... Not thrilled about that, t bh relatives.
>>62811247
they bought their bread from the magotti company, they make delicious panini bread
>>62814218
hi /reddit/
>>62812167
what the fuck?
>>62811227
>saruman building industry, trying to usher in early industrial age
>trying to destroy the world of men
>after the war, no more need for war industry
>industry turns to commercial needs
>economy goes from war economy to consumerist economy
>humans dead, elves gone, dwarves in hiding, hobbits enslaved
>who will go to the restaurants? who will shop at the stores?
>orcs of course, dummy
>the age of the orc is to begin
>saruman is grooming orcs for consumerist economy
>they are learning to order off the menu and purchase hand-bags and cart wheels
>>62812167
gonna test if its knows our IPs by double posting
>>62810857
They used a word that doesn't translate well to English. Jackson tried to make it felicitous to the English ear but wound up confusing viewers. A better translation would be, "So it is comrades that meat is on the chopping block."
>>62810650
kek
>>62814511
they have to just be making it up, IPs can't be peeped from the outside. the only way would be if...if they were inside
>>62814928
Fucking kek, underrated post
>>62810617
>>62813250
of course they'd know menus, do you think they're uncivilized to not know them at all? silly human
>>62810857
Has anyone written out the LotR trilogy with everyone speaking their appropriate dialect rather than English?
What language would be used to describe the scenery? Whatever hobbits use right, since LotR is suppose to be a book Frodo wrote in universe?
>>62811794
Is Hobbit Leaf supposed to be a tabacco-type plant? I assumed so from the books, but the movies make it out like mild weed.
>>62814792
Do you think Orcs could live in a urban civilized society once all non-orcs have been wiped out and Saruman forces them to be at peace with each other?
>Victorian dressed Orcs in suits and monocles
>>62815076
>>62814912
>>62814724
Well? What is it?
>>62811543
Yes and no. That's a gross generalisation, in a good sized town you could expect some options, usually a stew and some selection of pies (the meat variety). Even in a more rural locale if you had the money you could buy let's say one of the chickens outback and have them cock that.
>>62810857
>it's real
holy fuck
>>62815599
Do you have any reading on this you could link to? I find it oddly interesting.
>>62814184
Harad is arabs, far Harad bingo bongos, Easterlings are chinks.
>>62810857
Everything about Tolkien is just completely wonderful.
>When Vatican II changed the Mass to English; Tolkien still proudly used Latin
>>62815646
It's Tudor so a bit beyond medieval but the menu is from the 14th century so a fair aproximation.
http://tudorhistory.org/topics/food/menu.html
>>62811120
All orcs spoke in the Common Tongue when they were with each other. They all spoke mutually unintelligible languages.
>>62815743
Cool, thanks
>>62811324
Ancient Rome says otherwise
>>62810617
I just spat out my coffee
>>62810857
>thinking the books matter
They have menus in Isengard. Every day Saruman would send out Grima with a few thousand menus and take orders from all the orcs and uruks, then return to the kitchen to place the orders.
>>62815480
They suddenly become all civilized and astute.
>>62816494
They do matter
In the 3rd book, while Sam and Frodo are trudging along in Mordor (which lasts several days) they hide behind what is quite literally an Orc Tavern.
>>62816494
By the way, who is the pipeweed for (i.e. the pipeweed in Isengard's pantries)?
>>62810617
Is that a syrian?
>>62812167
It filters out '/tv/' and replaces it with 'Sheeky Forums' and even accounts forspoilers.
http://sheekyforums.com/thread/62813862/television-and-film/i-ve-got-a-confession-sheeky-forums.html
>>62813862
>>62811702
Their workmanship and/or quality control is canonically the worst in middle earth.
>>62816557
This raises an interesting question: Are orcs all the bloodthirsty beasts we see in lotr or is that just the orc soldiers?
>>62817911
You see, there are no female orcs and orcs reproduce either by rape babies or cloning vats. Therefore, we have a society of soldiers. Like in human armies, they will have cooks, technicians, officers, grunts, quartermasters, drill instructors but no civillians.
>>62810909
I believe his name was spelled themen-yoo in the original manuscript written by frodo, which was later transliterated by Tolkien after he found it in an old oak barrel in a marsh.
>>62818518
>Tolkien then proceeded to create 10 new languages based on anagrams of this name
>>62811984
>bullshit
>>62810794
Underrated
>>62811897
>>62811989
>Year One of the Fourth Age
After Frodo destroys the Ring, Mordorian refugees spill across the lands, and thousands come to the Shire.
Some bring Saruman's bombs and blow up Bag End
>Le Liberal Compassion
>>62815449
It's like "special tobacco" - makes you a little high but still tobacco nonetheless. Tolkien hated his stoner fans that thought it was pot though.
http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Fourth_Age
The end of the 5th age was 1958. Lord of the Rings is real!!! Tolkien said so!
>>62818802
No it's true. LOTR was intended to be read as a history of a sort of proto earth. He outlines it more in his letters.
