Secret Santa Thread #3
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THE SHIPPENING
Just when everyone was most worried, assignments are out! And now that the next phase of fun has begun, I have new info for everyone!
Everyone should now be shopping for their assignments, and try your best to have your packages shipped by the first week in December. Shipping slows waaaaaay down during the holiday season, so get those packages out early to ensure they get there by Christmas!
To protect yourself from false Grinching accusations (who would do such a thing?) you can send me the tracking info or a picture of the package before you send it. This is important because Grinches will be put on a list that I will give to the Secret Santa organizer next year, so that you may never ruin our fun again! Mwahahahaha
Lastly! If you have any questions for your assignment or comments for your Santa, send them to me, I will be doing my best to quickly rely them so that you may communicate.
>>5285442
Confirmed, I got an email from Santa.
IT'S HAPPENING
>>5285447
whats the best day to ship them out?
>>5285455
Check your postal service website. They should have Christmas deadlines listed somewhere
>>5285455
depends on your shipping method. I say get it done if possible before dec 13th
I'm torn I could easily hit $30+ and get them something good but I feel like just ONE thing isn't exciting. I want to fill it up with funny gag gifts and other cool little things.
It's like
1 good figure
vs.
1 or 2 decent figures, cool keychains/posters/cups/knick knacks and plushies, blind bags.
I just feel like a care package is more fun to open than a single gift.
>>5285446
Well don't put yourself in the poor house. I went way over the minimum but I'm also decently well off. I'm not rich or anything but I can just put off buying a couple new video games or something.
>There's nothing I reallt want, honestly. Surprise me !
Like, seriously guy, on /toy/ ??
How the fuck am I supposed to know what you already have or not. Don't complain if you got shitty things you don't like, at least you could have send me your general interests...
>>5285481
this is your opportunity to get them something really stupid and dumb and possibly embarrassing
tfw all the people who asked for Star Wars Black Series are going to get nothing but Finns.
>>5285487
>tfw went out and got a phasma just in case someone asked for one
Oh well guess I can sell her now
>>5285483
I'm still hoping someone delivers on 1/12th scale dragon dildos.
>had to send email asking for more information already
God the stores here suck. I start browsing online after I've made sure I can't get anything locally
>>5285494
My wide knowledge of a lot of things at a surface level but nothing any deeper than that has finally come in handy
>>5285489
Why couldn't you have gotten me, anon...
Got mine, thanks santa! Doki R., gonna do my best to get you a damn good gift. Cheers for the nicely laid out list, it'll make it super easy for me to find you stuff. And don't worry, no Funko.
I got Errol K. In AK. You're not getting hints.
*sigh* maybe my santa doesn't want to give me a hint. . . .'salright
Emailed Santa but figured I would ask here incase you see this before he forwards as he's a busy guy.
Juno from WA:
Are you a grill?
Do you prefer girly items from the lines you listed or it doesn't matter?
Are you over 21?(Totally gift related.)
Got my email! A. S-A. in ON, I got you covered!
>>5285524
>Are you over 21?(Totally gift related.)
>>5285527
It's a legitimate question in regards to additional items that may be included.
Oh! Also any food allergies?
>>5285530
>Oh! Also any food allergies?
I hope my assignment doesn't have any, otherwise that 5lb jar of peanut butter would be really awkward.
>>5285532
4chan kill count goes up by 1
rip peanut boy
>>5285535
"The hacker known as 4chan has now caused a Peanut Butter Bloodbath, with several targeted deliveries across the US"
>>5285537
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Molasses_Flood
It could be worse
you know this seems to be the best time of year to be not only amazing Dudebros to each other but complete assholes at the same time. It's like I got 90 new kid brothers (and sisters too but for the sake of simplicity of the joke)
I hope my santa-ee likes childish breakfast cereal and candy
You guys I'm so excited, I hope my guy gets back to me soon with a clarification email. I want rock his world.
>>5285582
Mine updated his list changing one item but joke's on him I didn't buy him that anyway
Jordan on the military base, I gotchu senpai. Prepare to get fucking gifted!
>Couldn't join /toy/ SS in time.
>Ended up going a bit overboard on my /cgl/ and /co/ santas.
>Was going to buy myself rest of Sailor Moon Figuarts collection as a Christmas gift.
>Had to drop Tuxedo Kamen-kun.
I'm okay.
[spoiler]Please buy him for me oh god.[/spoiler]
>>5285609
/co/ already had theirs?
Which Anon is that Aussie lad living in a military base? I'm his santa.
Am i allowed to send sex toys and weapons?
Lube?
>>5285622
Weird, you got a military anon as well? If you feel like sending something /k/ related I would check out kommandostore and the crimson caravan. I'm planning on sending some patches to mine.
>>5285611
I'm doing the /co/ one. Didn't get many entries but I'll post the thread again until november 21 if others want to join in.
>no one namedropped me yet
It's fine. I'm patient man when I need to
>>5285642
Don't worry, anon. I also haven't been namedropped.
>>5285654
Right there with you guys
>>5285664
Sleep is for the weak.
....actually, I work overnights.
>>5285642
same, also the same on /a/'s SS
oh well, not worried; if I get something, I'll be happy, if I don't, nothing changes
D. Bramont in CA, I got you. You're gonna get some toys and a little drawing or two.
Also I apologize for signing up with only my initials instead of my name, hope that doesn't make shipping a pain.
>>5285670
I'll sleep when all the good little boys and girls of /toy/ have their anime booby girl figures.
>>5285679
gib Yoko pls
>>5285664
>not being yuuro
So I have like no clue about lego, are there any kits for ep 7 out yet?
>>5285693
Yeah dude
>>5285683
>mfw went way over the limit and said I'm not willing to ship internationally
>>5285693
Yes. Just look for boxes with Kylo on upper right corner
>>5285696
what is something that is sought after?
>>5285701
Falcon. Maybe X-wing and troop transport
>>5285701
For lego? The only really sought after stuff is super expensive either because of rarity or because it's a $200+ premium set.
If someone asked for a lego set just get them whatever you think looks cool and doesn't have an ewoks
>>5285708
If someone asked for Lego without specifying, contact them and ask for more info. Some people can't stand some themes and sets
>>5285710
they just asked for ep7 star wars kits
>>5285716
Well, in that case http://brickset.com/sets/theme-Star-Wars/subtheme-The-Force-Awakens
>>5285720
thanks mate.
>>5285720
Holy shit, minifigures can be fucking expensive
>>5285724
Unlike your mom.
>>5285725
What are you, 12?
>>5285724
Welcome to Lego, enjoy your stay.
Yeah, that's one of the big problems with Lego. Especially characters that are sought after or are in one set only (there's a lot of those in TFA) can cost pretty penny. Especially the licensed stuff.
But such is life. I'm very much into SW and I don't think I have single Vader or Emperor
>>5285727
Was going to throw an ewok in just for shit's and giggles, but holy shit that price for such a small piece of plastic. I thought wh40k had a crazy price tag
>>5285735
Let me guess. You checked Amazon or Ebay.
If you only need one or two figs, Bricklink is generally your best bet
I wont say who, but SOMEONE is getting an isopod plushy.
>>5285736
Yeah, I'm just ordering everything off amazon to save some time
>>5285737
Jesus fuck that's creepy
>>5285741
Creepy? More like Kawaii
>>5285737
>mfw it's not me
LW in AL I gotchu man, any food allergies/favorite candies?
>>5285527
You know shipping porn is illegal is most countries rigth?
>>5285478
same, instead of using my entertainment budget for me decided I would just save it for this
>tfw my assigned person asks for qt comic and anime grills
Ayy, I got you covered, mang.
>>5285766
O-oh. Where're they from?
Because that's totally some things I asked for
>tfw bought shitload of sweets to include in the box
Time to resist temptations for few weeks. Hopefully they're not allergic to milk and chocolate
>>5285737
Oh god I hope it's me
>>5285768
Korbo in TX.
>>5285777
Darn. Not even close
>>5285737
OMG that so fucking cute
>>5285737
FUCKING JELLY OF THAT ANON!
>supposedly 85 participants
>30 unique posters
Well someone is feeling shady. Or sleeping.
>>5285797
It is only 7am here on the west coast
>>5285797
Well, there were a lot of people who posted at the ass-end of the last thread. Not to mention the assignments got sent out in the middle of the night. People probably haven't all been able to check yet.
>>5285797
i probably wouldn't have posted for another like 7 hours if I didn't happen to be drinking all night
What a great shift in tone from that last thread.
>>5285804
Everyone's feeling that Christmas spirit.
Except me since I can't find the stuff Anon asked for and I'm not even sure where I should look for them
>>5285808
Think we can help?
>>5285808
what are you looking for?
>LEGO and Star Wars
thanks for making my life easy AD from Ontario
>>5285797
They only got sent out really late last night. Some of us can't be constantly funposting on /toy/ every waking moment
>>5285808
>I can't find the stuff Anon asked for and I'm not even sure where I should look for them
This is why we should have been paired with people who have similar tastes.
>>5285814
Ouch, sorry mate I have no clue for either of those.
>>5285798
this, only reason I'm up is because I pulled an all nighter doing research
>>5285816
Oh come on anon, this gives you a chance to diversify
>>5285819
>Oh come on anon, this gives you a chance to diversify
And I would be fine with that if my santee getting a shitty gift as a result wasn't a possibility.
for the guy that asked for robots and Kaijuu I just want to say I know shit about those and I'm afraid I will end buying an overpriced bootleg... once saying that any of you could give me some warnings when buying this things?
>>5285814
http://www.disneystore.com
You might have one local to you. I've seen them in malls and such.
If someone is a Disney Parks fan a lot of them are really into Haunted Mansion stuff but they have a wide range. Playsets, dolls, plushies, etc
>>5285821
Just continue to diversify, get multiple things in a range and you have a better chance of getting something they may like.
>>5285822
NECA is a good bet for kaiju
>>5285822
Check the generals, the toy photography thread has some nice pieces too
>>5285814
if you search in ebay classic disney toys you get some nice things, you could also visit any close Disney Store, or search things for montion pictures, instead of just disney
>>5285822
What's the name on that?
Could be me.
>>5285830
are you from chile?
I wank a dildo four santa chrismast pressient
>>5285833
Sure aren't.
Hope he'll be happy with whatever you get tho.
Matt K. in Alberta, I got you covered.
Also,
>tfw namedropped in this thread
>tfw afraid they're only doing it to get my hopes up before grinching me
>>5285693
I have a vague Lego anon too.
Waiting on Santa to pass on my concerns.
I haven't played with legos since I was like 7...
>>5285844
How vague? Was it wanted list online or just "I like X and Z"
>>5285837
Don't we all?
>>5285844
>I haven't played with legos since I was like 7...
You should probably be rethinking some of your life decisions now.
>>5285844
Man legos are so fucking hype
Wish I had put some on my wishlist.
I can't believe some of you Transformers guys are like 'yeah KOs are fine', but to each their own (my guy listed a couple that have really expensive normal counterparts)
>>5285856
Grab some Mixels. Fairly small cheap sets, the pieces are great for reuse.
>>5285843
Don't be paranoid anon, the person who dropped your name isn't even the recipient if your gifts, there is no reason to drop the name if you are going to grinch
>>5285642
I havent been either, but are we suppose to be namedropping people?
>>5285814
I think I'm the one who asked you this. If you asked about the disney infinity stuff then yes It's me.
If that's the case don't bother too much about it santa has sent you a update more figure related, you can look for this instead. Thank anyway !
>>5285856
I got one even more vague, don't worry. Gonna head down to Toys R Us one day and just grab one or two things that look cool. Maybe toss in some MLP stuff for a laugh.
>>5285869
It's pretty reassuring.
Really no harm done if you keep it to first names and maybe cities.
Ok I think I found the right thing for the gunpla/kaijuu guy in chile... I just hope he don´t have it already, but just in case i'm droping some random extra shit in the package... asi que espero que lo disfrutes weon!
>>5285843
>TFW I'm covered
Honestly I went into this fully expecting to get grinched anyway, I just like hunting around for stuff people ask for. Wish I knew about other boards doing this stuff, would have signed up for them too if I wasn't too late for them.
I guess if we're namedropping people, Octavio in Chicago is covered. Expect dragon dildos and firearms with their serial numbers filed off. And maybe I'll toss in my old MCAT study books for good measure.
Would anyone be too offended if they just received gifts straight from Amazon?
>>5285900
I would be a bit disappointed, but it's the thought that counts
>>5285900
This is what I did. I have amazon prime so the stuff ships for free. It's a little impersonal I guess, but I put the money I would have spent on shipping into thier present.
>>5285874
Sweet, this'll make my life much easier.
I assure you that you'll get something cool.
Oh, and now that we're here, do you have any allergies?
>>5285919
Just pineapple. Thank you for all the concern I can't wait !
>>5285889
Tfw I haven´t been name dropped yet, heck I would even take a dragon dildos reference
>>5285933
Same :(
Wagner, you German sounding bastard, you better not have any food allergies! Also, I'm going to fuck your shit up with joy this Christmas!
>>5285970
>dislike having to open wrapping paper
If I were your santa, I'd make sure to have three layers of wrapping
>>5285950
I have work to finish, but I'll post it in 1h maximum. Stay tuned.
>>5285947
Everyone has been assigned and emailed their recipients.
Don't worry, people who haven't seen their name dropped. I haven't seen mine either. Last year I never received an email from my Santa and never saw anything in the threads regarding me but still got a nice personal gift.
Don't add worry to your life looking for assurance of your gift, it will come. Just enjoy the threads and the Christmas spirit!
>>5285986
I just don't see the point, it's not like I can display the wrapped box. Just adds more unnecessary waste material.
>>5285950
Here, /co/ thread : >>>/co/77501600
But seriously L from StPierre, give me at least some interests or you'll get very random gifts...
I'm not really familiar with DBZ merch. Any DBZ fans know what someone would like? I was just thinking statues of the girls but I don't know if statueshit is something that would be disliked?
>>5286044
Go to your local B&N and see if you can pick up one of the SH Figuarts
>>5285950
I'll use the gift wrapping option on Amazon. Better?
>>5285509
Sounds like u got a pretty cool dude anon
Collin in Texas, you magnificent bastard. I read your wishlist!
>>5286044
I personally like the Bulma statues, but they aren't for everyone
>>5285737
I'm jealous.
>>5286067
Was thinking about that one but Bulma is so popular I'm afraid they'll have them. Or that it'd be too lewd for them to display.
Whoever got SN from FLA
Please if you could make sure it get's sent to the right name in my E-mail, I'm moving in the next few weeks and don't want thing getting lost so I'm letting you ship to my mom, I don't want her apartment complex giving her shit for getting something that just has my name on it.
Also, it's my mom so don't send anything too dangerous if you could please and thank you.
ME from MA I'm going to do my best to make you happy!
WHAT ZOID SHOULD I SEND?
>>5286153
Woop woop woop
>>5286157
THATS NOT AN ANSWER
>>5286153
Liger Zero Panzer
>>5286167
my place is out of stock on these. Fuck me. I wanted to send the red one honestly.
totally killing my bank here.
>>5286167
Don't respond to him
>>5286170
send something that's available or your favorite unless they specified their favorite
I got Jon P. from NE.
Just ordered a part of your gift on Amazon and I'm going shopping on Friday to get the second half!
>still no one
Oh goddammit. Not to mention I was maybe bit too vague on the list, so I was expecting at least one email asking for confirmation
>>5286225
In that case we should avoid name dropping because it makes a lot of people feel excluded and creates a feeling of being grinched.
>>5286229
If someone wants to share we should not begrudge them, my whole point is don't worry about whether your name has appeared. This entire thing is about giving and not receiving...
>>5286239
FUCK YOU I SHOULD GET A TOY TOO IF I HAVE TO SEND ONE OUT TO SOME SHITHEAD
>>5286249
At least someone said it before I had to.
dudes from ontario CA and forest hills NY me and my fiancee got your lists and are working on it.
>>5285481
>How the fuck am I supposed to know what you already have or not. Don't complain if you got shitty things you don't like, at least you could have send me your general interests...
Or,you know, you could take the opportunity to introduce him to toys you like and think are cool.
>>5286264
Or, you know, some people prefer to try and make their anon happy and not send them random toys that they might not like.
>>5286267
If the recipient did not specify, the blame is on his shoulders
>>5286261
Ontario California or Ontario Canada?
Anyone got a guy from Georgia? Want some reassurance that I'm in.
>>5286267
If they just want a surprise, i'm sure they're ok with anything. I really doubt someone who was intentionally vague is super picky. Last year one guy asked for something he "wouldn't normally buy" and was quite happy with what his santa got him.
>>5286261
California
>>5286304
aw shoot. Hope he/she enjoys their gift anyway!
CK in Singapore I got you. I've already ordered first part of your gift. Second part will be bought later.
>>5285504
Thanks anon! IRL Doki approves of your gifting ways! Super excited to receive my gift.
>>5286261
>>5286304
>Ontario, CA
oh shit, that's me
>>5286280
I would just kinda appreciate models/Kaijuu you already have I think I just found the thing but I'm afraid I will give you something you already have
>>5286357
Haha, awesome! I've been hoping all day to either see myself namedropped or hear back from you. Is that your cat? If so, I'll see if I can include a gift for it too.
JL from dallas, your gettin so much awesome shit
>Me waiting for my name to be mentioned.
>>5286425
Haha me too, I want to be told I'm going to get my shit pushed in with awesome stuff!
Just brought the first part of the gift anon prepare your anus
SAM FROM DERBY I GOT U FAMILY
>>5286425
I'm with you, getting kind of cold her in FL but I'll wait.
>>5285526
Ayyy that's me. Sorry if my list is generic. If you want me to give some more specific stuff I can give Santa a better list.
Rex, if you're reading this, you gave me so many options that I'm having a hard time narrowing it down! But I'll get 'er done.
>>5286461
Haha, it's all good! Already got you a thing or two, I just hope you like the stuff I ended up picking.
Gonna try and get out to the local nerd shop this week to embellish the gift.
>>5285900
I'd be super disappointed if I got something directly from amazon. If you're just going to buy and ship directly from amazon why bother? I can buy myself things directly from amazon
Just getting an amazon package doesn't feel special at all. With all the people doing extra stuff, taking time to wrap things and other stuff it just feels shitty.
If that's the attitude some people have maybe next year someone should organize an amazon wishlist secret santa for those minimal effort possible people instead.
Just got BP from MI.
>>5286452
I got namedropped :D Thanks anon, you've made my night
>>5286521
You'll take what you get man
Some people don't have the time and resources to get something shipped to their house or get to a toy store and ship it out.
Between my shitty job, college, and buying for the family, the person I'm gifting should be happy they're getting anything, no matter how I got it to them.
Besides, amazon has a pretty swell gift wrapping option, along with the ability to add letters and shit.
>>5286547
Fuck those are so cute.
>>5286550
>You'll take what you get man
Or sell it for all the care the person sending it gives.
>the person I'm gifting should be happy they're getting anything
Why?
You shouldn't have signed up if you're not going to give a shit.
>>5286558
I think you're being a little unnecessarily harsh.
>>5286558
Clearly I give a shit when I'm shelling out sixty some odd dollars for a stranger.
Forgive me for wanting to do that as conveniently as possible.
God damn.
>>5286562
I don't think so. I care a lot about the secret santa, someone being selfish and saying things like "the person I'm gifting should be happy they're getting anything" is fucked up.
Yeah, I get not having money or time but then don't sign up when most people are actually putting effort into it.
>>5286076
I got you, m8. I noted the C/O on the address.
>>5286570
Gotta use the resources available man. Shouldn't matter how you get what you get, so long as it's a decent, well thought out gift.
>>5286583
There's been people who said they didn't have much money to go past the minimum but would be including crafted items in theirs.
Sending directly from amazon just seems really shitty to me. Hopefully whoever is doing that gets paired with someone who doesn't care because if I got that I wouldn't even want it.
>>5286592
Even if it was an exceptional gift that goes above and beyond what you would expect given the 30 dollar minimum?
Cause there's a lot of hype shit on amazon, yo.
>>5286598
My parents live in Alaska, so we usually just Amazon gift each other for Christmas.
>>5286547
I was hoping to see my name mentioned! Thank you so much Santa <3
Adam S. in Ohio, won't have the cash in the bank until Thursday, but I've got my list of shit together, and I think you'll be pleased.
Hope you will, at least.
>>5286598
I always expect /toy/ soldiers to go above and beyond, though the actual monetary value isn't particularly important.
>>5286609
My guy has a pretty straightforward wish list, so I feel the need to go above and beyond by getting him like, over half of it.
>>5286470
Rex in WA?
>>5286615
Mine had only specific items so I'm planning on creating kind of a themed box around what I imagine his tastes are. I think I'll write SATURDAY MORNING FUN BOX on it
>>5286619
nyope, Rex in Ontario Canada. Sorry :(
>>5286623
Or pop a quick H on it, so everyone knows it's hornets.
Who's ready for their Bad Dragon teenie weenie?
>>5286627
I'd have to find some duct tape first
>>5286631
I'll be slightly disappointed if at least 1 person doesn't get a dragon dildo
>>5286637
Hope it's a really hefty one.
>>5286637
I'll send one to you anon. My treat.
>>5286647
Funny guy
I don't actually want one anyway, but it'd be funny enough that I wouldn't be mad if I did get one.
>>5286648
Yep that was me, I wanted to post in here too since that was pretty close to the end of the thread.
>>5286578
you are fantastic, I hope the list doesn't give you too much trouble, as I told santa that's mostly stuff I lost when I had to move last year so if I get something off there great if not hopfully it gives you some ideas, I'll be happy with whatever you come up with (lol let's combat some of the negativity that's popped up in the thread :)
>>5286623
oh that's a good idea, my guys likes Nintendo stuff. . . .hmmmm maybe an old school 80's theme lol
>>5286666
Checked for satanic quads.
>>5286672
Yeah it was fun putting it together. I don't want to go into too much detail but someone might be getting a VHS tape, candy and sugary breakfast cereal in their box.
>>5286672
I wish I got someone who liked Nintendo stuff!
I don't know anything about my anons interests, otherwise I'd do a cool themed gift too.
>>5286693
Think we can help?
Or is there like, a general for their interests?
>looking for random miniatures in the 1/12
>all of these funs options everywhere
Goddammit Lau, you are making me want them all.
>>5286391
I have a RG Zeta, HG Guncannon, Robot Damashii Belial and Glassgow, Monsterarts Alien Big Chap and that's it really. Never found any PR Jaegers locally and kaijuu is more like a secondary interest. But thanks for asking, I'm fine with surprises as long as it's robut related.
Tis' the season, I'm actually more looking forward to ship my anon stuff he'll like than receiving myself
>>5286716
I'd start with s.h. figarts or neca I guess
I'm not that familiar with s.h. figarts but my assignment asked for one and it looks pretty decent
maybe avoid statues unless they specifically asked
you could also get them a hug pillow
>tfw nobody will ever buy me a centaur hug pillow
Oh I'm going to GIFT THE SANTA out of Someone. Star Wars away!
Alex in NZ, I'm not going to let you down. Do you like robots or plastic butts? Gotta make sure I get you something you like.
>>5286725
>TFW no spidergirl hug pillow
>>5286734
Stop making me want things I'll never have
>>5286725
Mine asked for s.h. figarts too. I'm going to get them one as their main gift but I don't know what to include as an extra.
>>5286733
>Do you like robots or plastic butts?
>or
why_not_both.gif
Not him but those two are not mutually exclusive.
Nick from MN you are in good hands
Sincerely yours, calibro.
>>5286754
They're not only not mutually exclusive, but they're best when combined.
>>5286521
>I'd be super disappointed if I got something directly from amazon. If you're just going to buy and ship directly from amazon why bother?
I got my anon nearly $100 worth of stuff from amazon and had it shipped direct to their house. Im such an asshole right?
>>5286777
Lucky seven trips confirm that shipping from Amazon does not make you an asshole and that other anon needs to quit their overreacting.
>>5286777
I'm someone who appreciates personal touches and thoughtfulness over pricetags but I have to say you've definitely gone out of your way to try and make it special for them, even if you can't make it personal.
>tfw no one has name dropped me
Why do you have to make me feel left out Santa?
>>5286725
>that third position
>>5286800
I feel you, buddy
I've got the old thread open in case someone didn't get the memo and namedrops me there.
>>5286777
I don't care about money. I can just buy things myself. You might as well have given money in an envelope or a gift card except those would vbe more useful
>>5286725
Oh God, that doujin series makes me hard as diamonds
>>5286822
Anon not everyone has the same point of view as you so just stop spewing your same bullshit and putting other people down for not going the extra mile and wrapping their gifts.
>>5286822
If you wanna just buy things for yourself then why not just fucking buy things for yourself?
>>5286833
What makes your opinion more valid? Why are you the only one who can be bothered by something?
>>5286835
wow great job both missing and explaining the point at the same time. that's actually impressive
