Modern: Bloodbraid Elf is unbanned
Legacy : Memory Jar is unbanned
Wheel of Fortune is unbanned
>EDH
Deadeye Navigator banned
Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker banned
Primeval Titan unbanned
Ponder and Preordain banned
Goblin Recruiter unbanned
Earthcraft unbanned
No changes to anything except modern
>>48319576
t. Mono Green
>>48319978
GR and GW landfall
I just don't like Cheeki-Breeki game breaker
>>48320010
The only really good cheeki combo is Cheeki into zealous conscripts but mono red is otherwise shit in edh
>>48320017
Naya decks got plenty of options for cheating out Kiki-Jiki and Restoration Angel.
>>48319554
Mental handicap general?
>BBE
Abso-fuckin-lutely not. Giving Jund back one of it's best cards when the deck is already 55% against the field is retarded.
>Memory Jar
Welder is legal in the format, unless we want Metalworker decks to become significantly stronger. I'd have to goldfish it, but I'm pretty sure with 4 Jars you could assemble a turn 1-2 kill in at least half your games in a Storm-esque shell.
>Wheel of Fortune
I guess ANT and DDFT now have to play 3 colors?
For my choices:
Modern - Rite of Flame
Legacy - Goblin Recruiter & I want to say Frantic Search would be fine.
Vintage - Lodestone Golem would be the sensible card to unrestrict, but I'd like to see what unrestricted Merchant Scroll would do.
>>48319576
This is why everyone laughs at /tg/, because of shit like this.
>>48320245
>banning unfun cards in casual formats
I bet you want Painter's Servant unbanned
>>48320412
The point is that saying you want Prime Time unbanned because you have a landfall deck just shows you're a whiny little shit who hates that his toy was banned.
>>48321258
It was never worth banning to begin with. There's many more valuable things to flicker.
>>48321299
>It was never worth banning to begin with.
See >>48320245
>>48321325
Does Primeval Titan win the game as soon as it hits the field?
It's not like Griselbrand or Emrakul or Yawgmoth's Bargain where it just appearing causes near-certain victory. It's not even as bad as Sylvan Primordial where it flickering risks clearing your enemy's board, so that deserves its ban too.
To note, I also think Gifts Ungiven doesn't deserve to be on the commander ban list either.
Meanwhile Kiki-Jiki can most definitely win the game by showing up and Deadeye Navigator is perhaps the worst flicker-engine that exists.
>Modern
>Unban
Jace, the Mind Sculptor
Punishing Fire
Seething Song
Tree of Tales
Chrome Mox
>EDH
>Ban
Mana Crypt
Sol Ring
Consecrated Sphinx
Deadeye Navigator
Palinchron
Tooth and Nail
Defense of the Heart
Animar, Soul of Elements
Purphoros, God of the Forge
Demonic Tutor
Entomb
Humility
>>48321387
>Get two lands
>Urborg
>Cabal Coffers
>Wolf Run
>Inkmoth
>Gaea's Cradle
>Deserted Temple
There are all sorts of bullshit things Prime Time can do that practically guarantees you the game. You might say "Oh, but those need something to take advantage of that", but it's not like Mirror-Breaker or Navigator can do anything by themselves. If Prime Time wasn't pretty much winning the game for you on the spot, then you weren't playing it correctly.
>>48319554
Legacy
Baghdad is unbanned
RiP is banned
Nat Soc has never been tried!
>>48321475
>Urborg + Cabal coffers wins the game
wew lad them kitchen table strats
>>48321680
Oh no, calling something kitchen table is such an insult when discussing EDH, the kitchen table format.
>>48321781
I get Urborg, Cabal Coffers, and Magus of the Coffers out in 33% of my Black deck games and it never wins by itself even with Exsanguinate.
>>48321824
Sounds like a problem with deck construction. Mana is only as good as the cards you're spending it on.
>>48321910
I find monoblack just has trouble actually securing victory on its own in general.
Of course, if you're just using all the black mana as generic fuel for Time Stretch or Tooth and Nail bombs or something, that's a different story.
But that is exceedingly boring. I could never manage to make decks like that.
>>48321781
>Filthy casual detected
>>48321979
One of the common plans with monoblack is to get Phyrexian Devourer and Triskelion in your graveyard and combo off with Necrotic Ooze.
Personally, I always liked Skithiryx Voltron. Getting enough mana to cast and equip your tools makes for good way to close things out.
>>48321669
>Nat Soc has never been tried!
NAT SOC HAS BEEN TRIED BEFORE AND IT HAS WORKED
We must secure the existence of our deck and a future for mtg
Modern: Twin is unbanned because fuck whiners who can't deal with combos
Legacy: Dig unbanned
Vintage: no more restricted list. If I wanna pay $16k then by god I should get to play 4ofs on all the Moxen.
>>48322452
>4 moxes and 4 lotus
*Sweating profusely*
>>48321388
>Ban Animar
w e w
>>48322452
>Vintage: no more restricted list
>decks with 4 channel, 4 black lotus
>literally nothing else matters
>>48322641
>4 leds dredge
I MUST GENOCIDE
AND GAS CHAMBERS ARE TOO SLOW
>>48322641
>>48322512
It would be a glorious format where men can be men and onlookers are awestruck by the mere sight of it. Decks would rocket to new heights in both price and enjoyability.
>>48322641
>I run Gutshot mainboard.
>>48322641
Mud:
>Chalice on: 0-1-2-3
>Cast smokestack
Pls
>>48322682
>Only played in USA
>Because they're allowed to heat so nobody steals their shit
>>48322452
You... you were not around for Long.dec
I don't think unrestricting Mox is actually all that unreasonable, there was a pretty interesting discussion about the idea in the Leg/Vintage General earlier. But you do not fucking unrestrict shit like Tinker, Necro, Lotus, Mana Vault, Mana Crypt, Demonic Tutor, and Recall.
You especially never, ever-fucking-ever unrestrict YawgWill.
>>48321388
>Purphoros
>Humility
I can see arguments for the rest, but these seem like weird choices.
>>48319576
>ban Deadeye Navigator
Ok, it's a really strong combo engine that dodges spot removal.
>ban Kiki-Jiki
Well, I guess it's a strong combo piece...
>unban Prime Time
Oh, nevermind, you're just being retarded.
>>48321299
It wasn't banned because it's just a good flicker target, it was banned for being overcentralizing. As soon as someone resolved a primeval titan it became a game of who could clone/steal/flicker/reanimate/abuse it the most, same as prophet of kruphix.
>>48321387
Kiki-Jiki can't win the game on his own, it's a combo piece. Do you want to ban Cloudstone Curio too? Reiterate? Mind over Matter? Palinchron? Saffi Eriksdotter?
>>48321388
>my deck is shit and I want to ban all the cards my playgroup is using as wincons
Why was Emerkul banned in EDH again? Was it that much unkillable?
>>48322838
Emmy should only be allowed as a Commander.
>>48322748
Oh I know they're restricted for a good reason, but I don't give a fuck. I just want balls to the walls the format.
>>48322858
>Emmy should only be allowed as a Commander.
then the deck literally becomes
>how consistent can I make turn two Emmy
>>48322939
With no coloured spells?
>>48322955
it's not like brown isn't the most consistent ramp color in the game or anything.
>>48319576
>>48320245
>>48321258
>>48321325
>>48322785
I'd rather have Prime Time back than Primordial.
>>48319554
Modern :
>unban :
pre-ordain
punishing fire
stoneforge mystic (let's fuck)
>ban :
simian spirit guide (and I'm a goryo's/Moon's player)
mox Opal
become immense
No more fast mana policy, punishing because why not and mystic because fuck everything.
>>48322962
T2 was extremely hyperbolic, looking back
But it is possible, using christmasland scenarios like sol-land + mana crypt into Thran Dynamo + grim monoliths and mana vaults
>>48323170
Why does everybody want punishing fire to be unbanned in modern?
Elves is already weak enough
>>48319554
>Memory Jar is unbanned
>Wheel of Fortune is unbanned
Enjoy entire format being combo decks that kill on average before even the starting player has started his first turn.
>>48320017
>this guy
Darrietti artifacts can be oppressive as Fuck. I don't think you know what you're talking about.
>>48323796
Not that guy but
Mono brown =/= mono red
>>48323515
>Why does everybody want punishing fire to be unbanned in modern?
Because grove + punishing isn't a big deal; two isn't three.
It'll be a plus for TRON but nothing insane.
>>48323515
>Elves is already weak enough
Adding punishing fire won't change anything for this deck.
Modern:
Ban Grapeshot.
Unban every card that was banned because of grapeshot.
>>48324057
idk man punishing fire seems pretty hard to beat for elves
>>48324042
it seems insane to me
why should we give tron, already one of the best decks in modern, an easy way to continuously destroy small creatures, aka 90% of the other decks in modern ??
>>48324158
Modern
Unban NatSoc (Dredge) and Fascism(Storm)
>>48324158
empty the warrens would like a word.
>>48320017
You forgot Great Oak Guardian.
>>48324307
Empty the warrens is fine, it folds to all token hate, wrath effects and the usual storm hate. It also takes a turn to win AFTER it's gone off.
>>48324508
Not if you kick a Goblin Bushwhacker
>>48324864
At that point you have a combo that is less reliable than Hivemind while taking the same amount of mana.
EDH:
Painter's Servant unbanned
Sol Ring banned
Mana Crypt banned
Iona, Shield of Emeria banned
Modern:
Urza's Tower banned
Deathrite Shaman unbanned
Splinter Twin unbanned
Ponder unbanned
Rite of Flame unbanned
Seething Song unbanned
Bloodbraid Elf unbanned
Stoneforge Mystic unbanned
Blazing Shoal unbanned
Cabal Therapy reprinted in a modern legal format.
>>48324960
Shit, I missed one.
Dread Return unbanned.
>>48324960
>Banning sol ring but unbanning Painter's Servant
![tumblr_static_tumblr_static_l9shdnaef0g0cs8o0ko8oo0g_640[1].gif](https://i.imgur.com/06OvmxW.gif "tumblr_static_tumblr_static_l9shdnaef0g0cs8o0ko8oo0g_640[1].gif")
>>48325032
>he thinks grindstone/servant is the height of degeneracy
EDH
None
Legacy/Vintage
None
Modern
Release cloudpost
>>48325158
Ban thought knot seer too.
Hell, ban all of bfz block.
Modern: Unban Dread Return and Deathrite Shaman, plus one of Ponder/Preordain.
Legacy: Idk, seems decent. Maybe unban something that would help non-miracles decks, but I'm not sure what to pick.
EDH: Ban Sol Ring and Mana Crypt. Unban Painter's Servant. Maybe ban Grindstone.
>>48325718
>but I'm not sure what to pickBaghdad, let it all become aryan
mana drain unbanned and reprinted for modern format and tolarian academy unbanned.
>>48325818
Baghdad, Mana drain, Tolarian Academy, necropotency andyawgwillreprinted in the next standard, at uncommon, common, uncommon, rare and mythic.
>Why contain it
I think Survival is a fairly safe unban in Legacy. Like 40% of decks play Deathrite, Rest in Peace is a card now, Abrupt Decay is a card now. The only decks that Miracles really oppresses are non-blue creature decks (Maverick especially), and I think a Survival ban would make at least one of those strategies Tier 1 without pushing anything else out of the meta (except maybe non-survival Maverick, of course, but that's like saying GSZ pushes non-Zenith Maverick out of the meta or something stupid like that).
>>48322452
>Legacy: Dig unbanned
lol nah. There is already enough blue in the format.
>>48325856
desu I'd suck dick for DRS or RiP ban.
Or make DRS a 0/1 so it doesn't auto-shit on goblins and every dork ever. It makes no sense BoP is 0/1 but DRS is allowed to be 1/2 (IE premium stats) and have 3 very relevant abilities
>>48324960
>Blazing Shoal unbanned
Yeah, it's not like Infect is already the best deck in the format.
>>48325880
I play Elves and I would love a DRS ban just so 40% of games don't just turn into dueling Deathrite nonsense. Printing good creatures has ruined Eternal formats, 90% of fair decks share the same few creatures. It's not viable to play a synergy-based strategy like Gobbos and Merfolk anymore: why jump through hoops to get a 2-mana 4/4 when you can just drop Goyf?
>>48325919
But goy! Creatures=fun.
Now enjoy more shitty bulk commons for demn draft with the set's generic OP shit creatures that are straight up upgrades from good shit from years before at rare+
DRS also makes all graveyard decks shit beyond belief, reanimator will never be a deck since DRS is a card.
unban ruse cruise
>>48326031
Reanimator can still essentially win on turn one, before DRS can even do anything.
>>48319554
No way primeval titan is coming back, he'd easy be one the single best cards in every deck that can run him
an etb ability means short of beng counterspelled you'll always get some value off him
>>48319554
Modern: Collected company banned, BBE unbanned
Vintagee: Monastery Mentor limited
>>48325769
I would have to pick up a set of Bazaars, but that would make my dick diamonds.
>>48325907
Do you really think it would remain the best deck in the format with all the other unbans?
>>48326076
>Mfw reanimator is a thing
>Mfw it's the janky monoB reanimator
Oh wow. Things sure have changed.
>>48326167
Yep. Welcome to the new legacy. They go down to like 6 hp by turn two, but they usually have two fatties on the board as well. It's prettyfun
>>48326185
My child, I come from another time.
I used to play legacy back when tutor was unbanned, i really stopped during ravnika2 since lolDRS and RiP shit on my husbandeck and it got waaaay too expensive, and I realized it wasn't going down. Ever.
>>48326167
>>48326076
I feel like the BR reanimator list (with 4 Dark Ritual, 4 Petal, Chrome Moxen, Tendrils, and Faithless Looting) is the single best combo deck in the current metagame. TES is the best storm deck since you really don't want to be playing ANT and casting Preordain with Eldrazi around, and BR reanimator is just as disruptive as TES (both play 8 discard spells + Decays in the sideboard) while being quite a bit faster. I've played TES for years, but it just doesn't compare. Goldfishing BR Reanimator, I killed (killed with Tendrils, not just reanimated a fatty) 140 out of 200 games on turn one.
>>48325907
Nigga Blazing Shoal Infect was already around when many of those cards were unbanned and it was still one of the the first cards to be banned after the initial ban list.
>>48326248
>We live in a world where a BR deck is viable
>As combo
>In legacy
WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE
>>48326265
Meant for >>48326157
>>48325055
Servant either ends up doing next to nothing, or ends up enabling degeneracy. There isn't really a whole lot of middle ground there. And yeah, a turn-3 instant-win-combo is pretty fuckin degenerate.
>>48326248
I'm gonna be honest, I only play a fairly outdated storm deck, and I'm not sure which variant it is.
r8 my trash?
>>48326316
>One creature regardless of CMC
>Instant win
What the hell are you S&T'ing that literally decks someone?
>>48326316
This is in EDH, resolving a show and tell isn't going to win you the game instantly and may even put you behind when they reveal a bigger fatty.
>>48326324
Not him, but you're playing ANT. And the list looks up to date save for the sideboard.
>>48326324
That's not too far from current ANT lists. Deck is fine.
>>48326357
>>48326371
Thanks lads.
I do need to update my sideboard though, it's getting less and less useful as time goes on.
>>48326248
>TES is the best storm deck since you really don't want to be playing ANT and casting Preordain with Eldrazi around
Except for the fact that there are other decks beside Eldrazi and its popularity is waning.
>>48326415
Also you should be playing mistys if you're running bayou.
>>48326522
You're right, I'm a dumbass holy shit.
>>48326300
>servant ends up doing next to nothing, or ends up enabling degeneracy
What?
With servant, you can give every creature on the board protection from everything.
You can return to hand all creatures
You can 8.5 tails anything
You can stop creatures from attacking, untapping, etc.
It enables tons of nondegenerate but powerful plays.
The only cards it's truly degenerate with are:
Ugin
All is Dust
Iona
Grindstone (barely merits the list).
There are literally hundreds of other color matters type cards that lead to janky interesting combos with servant.
Go on, go do a search, I already have. Search for cards with "red" in their text, then repeat the search for "blue", "green", "white", "black", and "color".
You'll come up with hundreds of cards that interact with servant, and the vast majority of them will be perfectly fine combos.
Of course, you know this sheldon. Everyone has told you for years that servant being banned is retarded, and the only reason it's still on the list is sheer stubbornness.
I can't fucking wait until Sheldon "I'm an artist and EDH is only MY ARTISTIC VISION" Mannery is removed from the format by WotC.
>>48322893
It'd make the meme of "Vintage is a turn 1 he-who-wins-the-die-roll-wins-the-game" very VERY true
Modern: Stoneforge is unbanned. Jace the mindsculptor is unbanned.
I think with kolaghans command and the like running around it stoneforge seems reasonable. Jace might be too slow but he could shake up the format. But with the success of nahiri at 4 mana I have my doubts about Jace at 4 mana
>>48319960
>Goblin Recruiter unbanned
It's like you want legacy matches to go to time.
I play melira all-in combo in modern.
if they dont bann Collected, Congregation and Eldricht all will be fine
Decklist:
> //Lands
1 Emeria, the Sky Ruin
1 Fetid Heath
3 Forest
2 Godless Shrine
2 Plains
4 Swamp
3 Temple Garden
4 Windswept Heath
1 Wooded Bastion
> //Spells
3 Blasting Station
3 Collected Company
3 Congregation at Dawn
3 Eldritch Evolution
2 Nevermore
4 Path to Exile
2 Wrath of God
> //Creatures
3 Anafenza, Kin-Tree Spirit
4 Kitchen Finks
4 Melira, Sylvok Outcast
2 Murderous Redcap
2 Safehold Elite
4 Viscera Seer
http://deckstats.net/decks/32561/406238-all-in-combo-melira-s-projects/es
>>48326822
Actually it won't exactly, it's strange. There's a great article on SCG that talks about this type of a format and it weirdly balances itself out. If I can find it then I'll link it.
when is posted in wizard's page?
![Bribery[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/F6GpSyv.jpg "Bribery[1].jpg")
>>48322838
It's because during the time Emrakul was legal, she usually only cost 3UU.
EDH Ban
>Umezawa's Jitte. - Just because I want to see a specific guy get salty
>>48326714
Last I remember, Painter is banned because of Iona.
How long till the official new banlist? Already the 18th here but im in magical christmas land
>>48322838
She can be easily cheated out, stolen, ramped up to (back in the days of Prime Time and Sylvan Primordial tag teaming) or reanimated. If she's a commander, you can just spam mana rocks.dek or go infinite mana because fuck, it's not like she requires colored mana to play. But that applies to every big dumb creature.
It's mainly salty niggas, you can easily take her out, and annihilator isn't very good in a format where decks either recover from it, produce too many things for it to be relevant, already produced their value with ETB or want their shit sacrificed in the first place. If she does go off, your play group will always be archenemy against you until you take her out or play a different deck.
Spicy Chainer fuel though.
>>48320187
>I guess ANT and DDFT now have to play 3 colors?
How to spot someone who doesn't know what they're talking about, right here
>>48328833
>Emrakul was banned because you can easily ramp to 15 mana
>this is what casual EDH players ACTUALLY believe
Are you fucking retarded? Emrakul was banned almost solely because of Bribery. If you're ramping to 15 mana there's any number of other more powerful things you can be doing than just casting Emrakul
>"well I meant IN ADDITION to that"
And I'm saying that taking a perfectly good argument and shitting yourself logically doesn't make it stronger, stop typing when you run out of good points to make
>>48328413
Painter is banned because Sheldor bazinga'd it.
>>48329170
Cards that win the game are seen less harshly than cards that prevent other people from ever getting to play. It's fine to have combos, but for most people lockdowns are no fun.
>>48329244
???
I would just play Stax if I wanted to lock an entire table of players out of the game, not a 1/3 Artifact Creature that requires a 9CMC creature to combo with, ONLY to stop the casting of spells
>>48320187
>I guess ANT and DDFT now have to play 3 colors?
dude
>Vintage - Lodestone Golem would be the sensible card to unrestrict,
guy
>>48329143
>solely because of Bribery
Googled "emrakul banned in edh bribery". No official results from Sheldon. In fact, each link listed multiple reasons for Emma to get the axe, not just entirely and exclusively Bribery.
More over, if your meta was running Bribery and taking your Emma most of the time, you would think that you would be good enough to take her out of the deck.
>>48329385
The problem was that everyone who had one was running her. If one person took her out, there were three other people you could bribe her from.
>>48329310
At the time it was banned, Iona saw a lot of play and so the combo of Painter's Servant was more prominently in focus. It was also largely before organized high-level EDH play, so many of the more degenerate Stax decks that are accepted as part of the meta now weren't a part of the consideration.
They need to specifically ban certain cards as commander, then still allow them in the 99. I'm looking at you braids.
>>48329590
They did that for a while, then decided it was stupid and they didn't feel like doing it any more.
>>48329590
Still won't stop a turn two braids, which is the whole goddamn point of banning her.
>>48329893
>I can't be bothered to run interaction waaaaaah
EDH was undermined by manchildren, and Sheldon's the shepherd of their retarded flock
>>48329893
I can do a lot of shitty magical Christmas land bullshit by turn 2, it's really no more degenerate than a winter orb that can be hardcasted turn 2.
>>48330620
>>48330681
Doesn't make turn 2 braids any less retarded, unless you magically always have an answer.
>>48329363
>LSG should be restricted
Get the fuck out Randy.
>>48331070
>I don't want to do degenerate things too early, I want to wait 5 turns and THEN do degenerate things!
Casual EDHers, I'll never understand them. You can just tutor up an answer, it's part of what they're there for. Or just play a density of answers ("B-but that's ICKY and UNFUN!")
Maybe if players were allowed to present legitimate threats early, like a turn 2 Braids, tutors wouldn't always be used to assemble combos. But no, you'd rather take a working system and try to "fix" it with bans, and then you complain about your format being about mulliganing to Sol Ring and playing combo decks.
>>48331260
So you enjoy saccing your only land on turn two then?
Guess the /tg/ sucks at magic meme is alive and well then.
>>48331329
>Guess the /tg/ sucks at magic meme is alive and well then.
Yes, you do suck at Magic. You'll get good someday, though, if you just try hard enough. You're going to have to come to terms with the existence of counterspells and removal first, though.
>>48331329
>Not having a turn 1 play in EDH
are you even trying
>>48331329
Your argument is based on a t2 braids, which is hard as Fuck to cast assuming 99 cards. You can make the same argument about felidar sovereign.
>all you need to do is pass, yard it, drop a swamp then pull it back with entomb!
Like I said before, it's no worse than winter orb because it's only oppressive in a magical christmas land scenario.
>>48331387
>>all you need to do is pass, yard it, drop a swamp then pull it back with entomb!
AND have all of your opponents brick on any sort of removal or counterspells, or anything that wins faster than that.
>>48331416
Yep exactly. I think these casuals that hate braids are the same casuals that buy risen executioner. I just want to run her in mazierk for all the glory possible.
>>48331383
I sure do love playing a one mana creature after saccing my only land!
>>48331387
>I don't know what ramping is.
>>48331366
And if I have no opening removal and not playing blue?
>>48323003
Well yeah, Primordial was awful for the format. Nuking X permanents AND getting X lands is bonkers, even worse since only green decks can get the full benefit. But just because Primordial is worse doesn't mean Prime Time isn't bad for the format as a whole.
>>48331540
You're silly anon, of course I know what ramping is. You still need to have it in your hand t2, and Demonic tutor is 2 mana, that's what I'm saying. It might happen once or twice, but you will never consistently t2 braids without fancy shuffling.
>>48331555
I playtested on in Prossh; being able to pull Westvale Abbey and immediately transform it is the -least- ridiculous thing it let me do.
>>48323185
>Mana Crypt, Ancient Tomb
>Tap AT for Sol Ring and Mana Vault
>Tap Mana Crypt and Sol Ring for Thran Dynamo
>Tap Dynamo for Basalt Monolith
> Untap t2 with 15 mana
Only uses six cards, and just thinking about the 7th card being Kozilek, the Great Distortion makes me cum a little.
If most of the 'Target Player's life becomes whatever' cards are banned in EDH, how come Sorin Markov isn't?Should Tree of Perdition be banned?
>>48321388
Stoneforge Mystic needs unban, Chrome Mox should stay banned.
>>48331416
I want you to read what entomb does before you use it in an example like that.
>>48327868
CoCo won't be banned, it's a tier 1.5 card at best. Eldritch Evolution isn't even officially out yet. Congregation doesn't even see play.
magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/banned-and-restricted-announcement-2016-07-18
>>48331580
Vampiric Tutor and Imperial Seal are one mana.
Modern:
Ban:
Collected Company: One of the most skilless cards ever created.
Blood Moon or Nahiri, the Harbinger: Because Prison decks have been topping relevant events recently, and these are their main power cards.
Simian Spirit Guide and Mox Opal: Fast Mana has no place in Modern.
Become Immense or Mutagenic Growth: Because Infect has become a bit too fast. Banning one of these would slow the deck down a bit while still keeping them relevant.
Unban:
Stoneforge Mystic: Death & Taxes and Soul Sisters need a boost.
Preordain: Blue needs good cantrips.
Tree of Tales: The worst artifact land. What are you doing with green in Affinity anyway, splashing Goyf?
>>48331733
>card hasnt even been released yet
>ban it
Wew lad
>>48332230
>Pre-release magically didn't happen.
>>48332095
Hardened Scales seems really good with Steel Overseer and Arbound Ravager, not sure if it's worth it though, I don't play modern.
>>48332286
>implying in less than 2 days a card single handedly destroyed a format and 100% of decks are now running black because of a card that has no way to protect itself from the other 3 players for a turn before its usable
/tg/ bad at magic since 2006
>>48332095
this is why people don't take modern seriously
>>48332095
Just ban inkmoth and glistener elf
>>48332348
that would be retarded. it's not like Infect is oppressive and completely dominating the format.
>>48332325
It's a question based on the fact that the EDH ban list has a few 'target player's life becomes X' cards, so its not entirely baseless.
Ban one main card or combo piece from every modern deck and force people to do something other than netdeck
>>48332450
players will just come up with new decks... and people will netdeck them.
>>48332450
That's dumb, it would take like 2 days max to make a new meta, no more likely to be balanced and diverse than the old one
>>48332450
how about reprint older cards to give support to control decks to stop aggro: the format
>>48332591
How about return to phyrexia and more 1 drop infect creatures or maybe... infect lightning bolts
when we can get the list?
>>48319554
Modern: Jund is already a tier 1 deck, they don't need any new support.
Legacy: Unban 2 cards that are on the reserve list? Sure, let's give asshole speculators even more control over Legacy.
Seeing wheel would be funny but it'd be so insane in storm and even shit like inquisition
>>48326265
Fair enough. I wasn't as experienced with the format then.
I do think the modern format could withstand a drastically reduced banlist for a while though. A lot of these bans seem like they're banned for being too strong in isolation: the next most powerful thing after the previous thing was banned.
>>48332651
>1R Target Opponent gains 3 Infect Counters
>Flashback: 2R
>>48332651
R
Sorcery
Infect
Deal 2 damage to target creature or player.
That wouldn't be too bad. Quite good actually, but not overpowered.
>>48332370
>the EDH ban list has a few 'target player's life becomes X' cards
Let's look at the ones it does have.
>Biorhythm
Player's life total becomes their creature count. Instant victory if they don't have a creature and you do. Intrinsically favors mass creatures. Format-warping.
>Sway of the Stars
Wipes the board state and screws over current life totals, but doesn't touch exile. Shares a color with Jhoira. Far too much of a power play.
>Worldfire
Sway of the Stars cranked up to maximum. Also shares a color with Jhoira. Disregards prety much anything about how the game was going so far.
None of these are simple "life total becomes X, and that's bad". Two are "Jhoira wins the game" and one is "if you aren't playing creatures, you lose the game"
>>48324960
Agree with all except Shoal and Ponder. Shoal would put Infect over the top, and Preordain should be unbanned instead of Ponder. Also, Jace the Mind Sculptor should be unbanned imo, 4 mana is slow anyway.
>>48332830
>>48332870
(G/B)R enchantment
Instant and sorcery spells you control have infect
Unbans
Modern: Preordain or Dig Through Time
>>48325718
>Unban Deathright Shaman
You madman
Modern: Unban Mind Sculptor and Stone forge Mystic
Commander: Ban Solar Ring
Edh bans:
food chain
Mana crypt
Sol ring
Mana drain
Gaea's cradle
Maybe necropotence?
Edh unbans:
Prophet of kruphix
Prime time
Sylvan primordial
Gifts Ungiven
Recurring nightmare
Panoptic mirror
Painter's servant
Protean hulk
If you want them, All those weird splashy spells that nobody would play anyway but are banned for some reason
Coalition victory
Sway of the stars
Etc
>>48333479
I forgot, unban my precious erayo, that was my most fun deck to play in high level metas, I miss it so much
As much as I would love to see a Mind Sculptor unban, it's honestly irresponsible on Wizard's end to do so. Not because of power level concerns, moreso his availability. He WILL triple in price or more overnight, and will create a disgusting barrier for anyone wanting to play blue. His reprint in Eternal Masters is nowhere near enough to meet demand.
>>48333479
Necro is the fairest unfair card in all of MtG
>>48333540
I disagree, he may triple overnight but once the hype wears off, he'd settle at 120 or so, if that. He's just not good enough for Modern, at least not in the current format imo.
>>48333738
Right, I think it requires a surprising amount of build around to make it truly broken, the downsides are real, that's why I don't know if it's broken, but I put it on the maybe list because it breaks a rule, pay 1 draw 1 seems broken
>>48319554
>Wheel of Fortune unbanned
>Memory Jar unbanned
Do you seriously want Belcher decks to just go crazy?
>>48334046
Pay 1 life draw one card is. Thats not what Necro does though.
>>48329363
>Meta was 20% shops decks
>They were doing well because shops tries to stop opponents from casting spells and everyone was casting Gush which set them back on lands
>They restrict LSG and now Gush decks went from being 20% of the meta to 50% of the meta
Yeah restricting LSG really made the format that much better.
>>48320187
Unbanning Frantic Search would make High Tide nearly impossible to beat.
>>48322735
>tfw I did that once but couldn't find a threat so we just stared at each other until I topped a Revoker.
Fun game
>>48334110
Chalice 2
>>48334121
I had smokestack out too.
>>48329736
They decided to stop doing it when Wizards started officially supporting the format... meaning MTGO couldn't handle a "banned, but only as commander" list.
>>48332095
Ban: things that make me cry
Currently the best changes would be no changes. Legacy and Vintage are fine, and the problems with Modern and Standard run deeper than a ban list.
>>48335519
Good post
>>48335519
Modern needs to unban a lot of shit
>>48321475
>le prime time is worse than bullshit 2 card infinite combos
>le cabal + urborg meme
Wow, it's almost like you can have cabal + urborg 100% of the times turn 3 in every mono-black deck and still lose almost all your games, maybe because you can still play around it instead of watching your opponent flickering navigator for infinite mana or drawing his whole deck with mind over matter out of the blue while he was fairly losing the game but no, lmao just drew Miki-Jiki, le combo is skillful and fun, get rekt xD, in a casual format none the less.
Anyway, discussing a banlist for Commander is retarded since the absolute mongoloid in charge of it only bans cards he gets raped by.
>>48335862
No, Modern needs a reprint of Wasteland in the next Modern Masters set. At least half the problems with the fucking format are tied to inadequate land destruction.
>>48332879
Turn to frog.
Life total = 1.
>>48327422
You have no idea how quickly Goblins can close games out when they don't draw shitty vials and have their ringleader actually hit instead of whiffing completely on turn 30.
>It's almost like you have no idea you can call a judge for slow play.
>>48335862
Modern needs a hard reset. Extended kind of sucked when it died, Double Standard was stupid, and Modern as it exists now is an overengineered format. End the format and reboot a slightly different one
>>48320187
>merchant scroll
Dredge is now the goto deck to counter merchant.dek
>>48336180
That two-card non-repeatable combo doesn't immediately win the game, so it's perfectly fine.
>>48334077
No, it is better than that
>>48334077
sure
>>48336295
There are more cards than one with turn to frog like effects.
>>48335519
Legacy is shit right now senpai.
derp brainstorm + goodstuff
>>48321388
I agree with most of your edh list.
>>48336246
Thinking back on playing goblins and red deck wins and psychatog control in extended circa 2001-2004....
>>48336389
Get good at life and own dual lands so you can stop whinging then.
>>48336391
>>48336391
Actually scratch that, I agree with mana crypt, Sol ring, and *maybe* consecrated Sphinx.
>>48322753
Humilty does nothing but stall the gameboard until someone draws an out.
Even Winter Orb lets you play around it more than Humilty.
Purphoros is just fucking retarded, it's not so broken everyone would advocate a ban for it, but it can literally end games in one turn after being summoned.
>>48322818
>my deck is so shit I need to run a 2 cards infinite combo as a wincon to even manage to win
Kek
>>48331260
But I don't want to play singelton, 4 player legacy. If I wanted to do that, I'd play legacy twice.
>>48336509
>their deck is so shit it wins regularly and easily
Literally what you just said.
Git gud scrub.
Extend legacy into pre M15.
Make post M15 new modern.
In 2 years or 2 blocks.
>>48336751
Legacy already encompasses m15. And everything after it. Are you gaytarded or something?
>>48336509
Yes, anon, that's how you win games of Magic.
Or are you saying you're a creaturebaby?
>>48324210
>why should we give tron, already one of the best decks in modern, an easy way to continuously destroy small creatures, aka 90% of the other decks in modern ??
Tron can afford lightning bolt and pyroclasm.
You are probably an elf player and I can understand the problem you may have against TRON (Ugin + pyroclasm can seal the deal but I think you can race him on the play and stomp him) but, as I said, it wont change anyhting : the bolt will move for punishing, which is costly but can be recursive.
Still, playing groves isn't a great thing for a deck which wants to put Karn, wurmcoil fast instead of losing time playing a shock.
This card, to me, doesn't fit on the actual banlist just like Nacatl and sword at their time.
The unban of sword, Nacatl and AV didn't change many things and I think punishing fire wouldn't. That's all.
>>48336107
Ghost quarter is correct.
And they won't reprint wasteland in MM, stop.
>>48319576
>Primeval Titan unbanned
>ever
AHAHAHHAHAAH
This would be a fucking disaster.
I don't think you played when P Tiddy was around, because if someone landed that piece of shit, the game would either end, or become a game of pass the titan.
>cloning P Tits
>bribing out P Tits
>kicked rite of repping P Tits
>cascading into P Tits with Wanderer
>reanimating P Tits for cofferborg
It was a fucking nightmare. Only Sylvan Primordial came CLOSE to being as disastrous of a creature.
>>48336704
Learn reading comprehension retard, nowhere in my reply does it say it wins either regularly or easily. It's amazing you can even play without even being able to read, actually it isn't considering you're just a shitter so whatever.
>>48336834
More like how you lose after getting 3 turn killed everytime by your playgroup. Have you cried so much about your group of "friends" not letting you play your shitty situational "g-guys let me Kiki-Jiki with Zealous Conscripts just once, p-pls" that they leave you win once in a while like someone usually does with mentally problematic children like you?
>>48332095
>Collected Company: One of the most skilless cards ever created.
Maybe. But it's okay.
>Blood Moon or Nahiri, the Harbinger: Because Prison decks have been topping relevant events recently, and these are their main power cards.
There was a huge hate on BMoon, nothing now. It's an ok card. Deal with it.
And Nahiri is fair.
Prisons decks are like 0,001% of the meta or something. Just a guy taking his shit at your FNM, going 2_1 and that's the end of the story.
>Simian Spirit Guide and Mox Opal: Fast Mana has no place in Modern.
Same here.
>Become Immense or Mutagenic Growth
Become immense is oppressive.
>Unban:
>Stoneforge Mystic
I'm a crazy nigga too and I only play white in my BANT Eldrazi.
It's the right time.
Preordain: Blue needs good cantrips.
Same here.
>Tree of Tales: The worst artifact land. What are you doing with green in Affinity anyway, splashing Goyf?
No.
Good lord, affinity playing Goyf is a nightmare fuel.
>>48329385
Nah, Bribery just encourages me to save my land tutors for Homeward Path.
>>48329143
>bribery for a thing that dies to any board wipes
That's like banning Blightsteel for bribery purposes, my dude.
Emrakul is banned because it's a colorless time warp in battlecruiser magic that easily lets any big-mana deck close out the game.
It also opens up the possibility of easy extra turns for EVERY color, which isn't really a balance issue, so much as it is annoying, because then every fucking nigger can just plop down a huge fucker and take an extra turn, regardless of deck.
>>48332230
>>card hasnt even been released yet
>>ban it
Why not actually? I mean if it's absolutely clear that a card is going to break a format (say a functional reprint of Karakas for example), you could as well ban it as soon as possible.
>>48319576
>EDH
>deadeye Navigator banned
Seriously? Pls don't tell me this is true
Source?
>>48337159
>>48319576
Oh wow, just read the thread titel.
Dodged a bullet there.
>>48331733
It's really just Biorhythm, Sway of the Stars and Worldfire. There are obvious reasons for each of them.
It's not like Magister Sphinx is banned, so why would Sorin be?
>>48336951
>Good lord, affinity playing Goyf is a nightmare fuel.
People actually tried it for a while. It was surprisingly underwhelming.
>>48331625
>15 mana
of which you can only use 11-12 depending on whether you untapped the vault or not
>>48337570
Mana Vault doesn't get tapped in that rundown, nor does it ETB tapped.
>>48337615
You're right
>>48337182
Well, I understand it now; its 'set players life to X and other retarded shit'.
Though I still don't entirely understand how a card that (in EDH anyway) can effectively make your opponent lose 30 life isn't at least considered for a ban.
>no changes to any format
>>48338290
Nice
>>48338290
Objectively the correct changes were made
>>48338511
>Look oficial coverage
>Dredge still isn't called Nazi.dek
Nope!
>>48340150
So does the Dredge=Nazis meme just come from Maro being a Jew, or is there more history to it?
>>48340351
Pretty much. The other supposed line of reasoning is that it's relatively cheap compared to other Legacy decks.
>>48340351
Its a forced meme one poster thinks is really funny
Bam island from all formats
>>48325834
show and tell should be reprinted for modern format be unbanned in modern
>People really wanting to Nahiri or Blood Moon be banned in modern
When does the ban list go up?
>>48343343
It already has. No changes.
NO CARD CHANGES TO ANY FORMAT
Rule changes
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/magic-tournament-rules-release-notes-2016-07-18
Changes I found:
Section 3.15 (Sideboard): When you control another player's turn, you can no longer look at their sideboard.
Appendix F (Rules Enforcement Level of Programs): Grand Prix Trials have changed from Competitive Rules Enforcement Level to Regular Rules Enforcement Level. The net effect of this change is that Grand Prix Trials now require a level 1–certified judge and no longer require decklists (though judges and organizers may still require decklists).
Also /tg/ may be horrible at magic but this is another level. Pic related.
