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>Lore Resources
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[Pocket Guide to the Lore] https://docs.google.com/document/d/1AtsWXZKVqB4Q825_SwINY6z4_9NaGknXgeOknOCDuCU/edit
[Elder Lore Podcast] http://www.elderlore.wordpress.com/
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>General Rules
This is NOT /tesg/ minus waifus, so behave properly.
No waifus or husbandos except for Master Neloth.
Keep the MK/Lady N related squabbling to a minimum.
Previous Kalpa >>48225112
>>48288038
I still haven't heard any sources on the Nordic Ale that tastes like burning, so I'm assuming it's made up by a Nordaboo.
I know the banners of the Skyrim holds and Morrowind great houses but when I think of it, I have literally no idea what flags/banners each province would uses... anyone mind helping me out?
>>48288539
Also, does anyone have an image of all Cyrodiil county/city banners?
How many people can you kill by ramming them with a siltstrider?
>>48288704
I don't think they're very useful for ramming, long legs and all. Try on of the bigger guar breeds.
>>48288704
The better, more serious, questions that I'm asking due to today is what is the state of the various anti-Empire movements that you'd expect to exist throughout Tamriel. How significant are the isolationism and nationalism movements in the various Provinces? Is there an underground anti-imperialism/socialism movement among the wealthy parts of the Empire? Is there more general militant religious minorities that would be willing to use lethal, organised force against the Imperial Cult rather than just the occasional cult like the Mythic Dawn?
>>48288550
>>48288760
thank you very much anon
>>48288760
Have some Daggerfall ones too.
>>48288824
Does each city have its own crest?
>>48288824
I only found these three, but in-universe High Rock probably has more crests than all the other provinces combined.
>>48288858
meant for >>48288850
>>48288858
>>48288873
I can imagine that, but does Daggerfall the game have any more major cities that could have their own crest? (atleast, one we see ingame)
>>48288915
I don't think so.
Beyond Skyrim team made some for the main cities though, I think they look nice.
>>48288957
The big modding projects always have great concept art.
>>48288968
That true.
Too bad they are wasted on Skyrim's shitty engine.
>>48288748
>Is there more general militant religious minorities that would be willing to use lethal, organised force against the Imperial Cult rather than just the occasional cult like the Mythic Dawn
According to the Dragon Break Reexamined, yes. The growth of religious zealotry and estrangement following the odd events of the later Third Era contributed heavily to the Empire's fall.
I think Oblivion did an incredibly poor job at following up to the hints we were provided in Morrowind.
It was heavily implied that the Emperor's impending death was going to bring about an absolute political nightmare to the likes of which the Empire has never seen.
>>48288983
true
so what are heartstones? are they mentioned anywhere else?
>>48289356
Rock released from the explosion of Red Mountain that has retained some of the radiated energy of the Heart of Lorkhan.
>>48289356
Probably rock/lava from the Red Mountain imbued with the power of the Heart of Lorkhan, flunged to Solstheim during the Red Year.
>>48288968
Is that moonrock, at that height enough to trigger Red Mountain's eruption or Vivec only stopped it in it's track but still retain it's descending velocity because of magic. Or software limitation prevents it from being placed higher in the game?
>>48289441
It's not stopped but frozen. It still has its original velocity.
>>48288380
What? Du you mean irl?
>>48289488
Goddamn. I'm surprised the damage wasn't more devastating. Fucking Sheogorath.
>>48288380
Nah, somebody in the last thread said there was a brand of Nordic Ale that tastes like being on fire, but never provided a source.
I've been wondering, how exactly does enchanting work?
Even races that are usually distrustful of magic just seem to accept it. Trapping a soul into an inanimate object seems like it would bother some people, even if it is just an animals. I'm assuming whatever it is isn't conscious inside the object but are animals in TES subject to the same re-incarnation as sentient creatures and does enchanting prevent that from happening?
>>48289838
>Even races that are usually distrustful of magic just seem to accept it.
I think it's them being distrustful of the process but enjoy the results.
>>48289838
>>48290030
In my headcanon, most enchanters don't even know what exactly happens to the souls. It'd be mostly necromancers who know about the soul cairn.
>>48290390
The Soul Cairn is only linked to Black Soul Gems.
>>48290466
There's ghost cows there, and Arvak. Might be a mistake on Bethesda's part.
>>48290490
Black Soul Gems can capture white souls.
>>48290521
thats racist
What does Vivec's "banishment" of Azura entail exactly?
Can she not manifest physically on Nirn anymore? Is that why her Skyrim quest is done entirely through her priestess, presuming I'm not misremembering?And why does MK hate her? She's literally the best Prince.
>>48290687
I don't think Vivec owned here that hard... after 200 years she should be able to manifest herself again.
Most daedric princes in skyrim quests don't show themselves.
>>48290687
>What does Vivec's "banishment" of Azura entail exactly?
That's something I have wondered too. According to the Census of Daedra Lords, all the gates too Moonshadow were closed off after the events of Vivec's Trial.
>And why does MK hate her?
Kirkbride has a massive hard-on for the Tribunal.
I like Sotha Sil more than Vivec and Almalexia
So I think last week Molag Bal and his Sphere were discussed pretty heavily, and it got me wondering what a society under Bal's followers and priests would look like. For example, an Ayleid city state where he was King Thickdick of Fuck Mountain.
>>48290999
The biggest dude would do what he wanted because he could.
>>48290999
A totalitarian regime with rigid hierarchy.
>>48290999
THE WEAK SHALL FEAR THE STRONGnice trips
>>48290999
Society would be governed by the strongest most brutal individuals who posses absolute power and are more than willing to display it. Slavery would be incredibly crucial if not hallowed to their society.
Extreme expressions of dominance and power, like public mass rape, torture, and execution of slaves and captives. Purposefully terrorizing of those below you for the shear sake of displaying you are capable of doing so without consequences.
The highest possible splendor coming from the act of crushing and humiliating your enemies (basically everyone). Desecrating their temples in the most blasphemous ways, enslaving or slaughtering their people and armies, mutilating their dead, razing their cities.
Basically a society based around being the biggest dick possible.
Molag Bal makes me happy Mehrunes Dagon exists.
>>48288539
IIRC:
>Deer: Falkreath (woods for days)
>Wolf: Solitude (revered predator, suitable for the throne of the high king)
>Star: Dawnstar (doi)
>Daggers: Riften (Thieves guild)
>Horns: Markarth (impliesmountain goats, 'casue its so mountainous)
>Crown: Winterhold (Mages are dicks)
>Trefoil: Morthal (idk has a sort of spooky mystical swamp-magic vibe to it)
>Bear: Markarth ((revered predator, suitable for the FORMER throne of the high king)
>Horse: Whiterun (wide open plains, trade centre of Skyrim)
>>48290748
...Wasn't it him who came up with their origin story anyway (including her BTFOing them)? Or was it in a book in Daggerfall somewhere?
>>48292144
Also Bear = Markarth because of the book "The Bear of Markarth".Reminder that Ulfric's a child murderering gigacunt.
>>48292169
He was responsible for portions of their origin story (expressly the idea of them 'rightfully' taking the place of the Good Daedra), but not all of it. The whole Azura changing their skin, as far as I can tell, was not his doing, and neither was the idea that the Nerevarine was a sort of retribution on the Tribunal.
>>48291264
>Imperials
>Redguard
>Dumner
Origin of this masterpiece?
>>48292448
>MK is the "DEMONS ARE EVIL" fag from /co/ yesterday
kek
How fucking mad was he at the Tribunal expansion?
I'm a grandmaster lore master, ask me absolutely anything.
>>48292544
Tell me about Mehrunes Dagon, and what he's all about.
>>48292544
>>48292619
This was just an impersonator, I've been posting anonymously and am about to go to bed. But I'll answer any specific questions you have about Dagon because I don't mind keeping the thread active.Screw you Ben I wanted to go to sleep.
>>48292529
>demons are evil
To quote MK's actual view on the matter:
>"Quit mixing up gods and demons, they are just emotions."
>>48292144
>Wolf:
May be in reference to Potema the Wolf Queen or possibly Wulf-harth who was King of Solitude.
>Daggers:
Riften was once ruled by an infamous Jarl named Hosgunn Crossed-Daggers
>Bear:
Ulfric's father was the "Great Bear of Eastmarch"
The names would probably be more accurately considered references to the city coat of arms, but I just find the connections interesting.
>>48292667
No sleep for you, only memes and memettes.
>>48292144
>Crown: Winterhold (Mages are dicks)
Actually, it's because Winterhold was the High King's seat for a while.
Bear is for Windhelm
>>48288043
i made that post
>>48292619
Officially, one of the 16 et'Ada that didn't contribute to the creation of Mundus.If you adhere to the Creed of Kirkbride: http://www.imperial-library.info/content/seven-fights-aldudagga
>>48292690
>>48292789
Yeah my bad, meant Windhelm. I've been gardening what could pass for Hist roots, tired af.
>>48293038
Was meant to spoiler the image too. fug
>>48293013
kek, I've been posting it many times
thanks for your insight anon
>>48290999
I think it was the week before that.
When it comes to a society made by the followers of Bal, I actually have to disagree with some of the other posters here. They're making it seem like individual power and martial strength is what Bal values the most, which I'd argue is only part of the truth. The real clue here is Domination.
But before I continue, I'll say that even though I disagree with the others, that doesn't mean that I think that I'm necessarily correct. It's ultimately my interpretation.
Perhaps just like two in-universe cultists might interpret Bal differently, so have we.
In Bal's view, the strong are inherently superior to the weak, but I'd argue that "weak" and "strong" here don't refer to physical or mental strength as much as they are about one's ability to dominate. Sure, the physically strong has a great advantage when it comes to ease of domination, but it's not a given that say a warrior king will be able to dominate more people than a spectacularly clever king.
In simple terms, the one who is the most able dominator should be in charge, regardless of one's methods.
>>48293827
Who even follows him? Subs?
>>48293827
Continued.
When it comes to public displays of dominance, I think one detail has been forgotten by others who have posted here. A follower of Bal is fully within his right to do whatever he wishes onto those weaker than him. But that does not mean that a good dominator would always be brutal, even if he has every right to be. Especially in a society built by the followers of Bal, where the idea of the hierarchical order doesn't need much reinforcement.
Really, I don't think brutality itself is all that important to Bal. Sure, he is a incredibly brutal god, but to so Dagon, and they have very conflicting spheres. Bal would not appreciate a brutal revolution against the rightful order, even if he would love brutality as a means to enforce the order.
Finally, I have to oppose the idea that being dominated is entirely negative. The relationship between dominator and dominated does not have to be one of complete exploitation. Few are more dominated by Bal than vampires, yet few are so blessed by him as they are. Bal raped Lamae so hard she fell comatose and died, but she was gifted with the only thin Bal truly cares for. The ability to dominate.
Likewise a king in a society of Bal could gift power upon his underlings, forming a hierarchy of the more gifted ruling the weaker.
End.
>>48293850
My guess would be people who believe in his vision of order, and/or people who want a gift of dominance. Plus those tied or aligned to him, like vampires.
>>48292144
Morthal is named for Morihaus, who was a winged bull. The Morthal crest represents stylized bull horns.
>>48293888
Looks like the symbol for illusion magic to me.
>>48293969
Maybe he had three horns?
>>48293989
you have a dirty mind anon
>>48293989bull benis
>>48293888
>>48293999
checked
>>48294285
>argonian shipmaster on solstheim
who comes up with this shit?
>>48293888
Was this ever mentioned by any Skyrim NPC's? I know it's in a lore book, just wondering since it's been so long since I played it (and I only played Knight of the Nine recently).
>>48293827
>>48293879
Your posts imply an incredibly subtle take on domination that I'd rather doubt would be very prevailing belief amongst his worshipers, especially given what we are shown of actual Bal worshipers in-game.
Domination is an inherently blunt concept and lies much closer to the extreme than the subtle. Its driven by the very idea of forcing yourself upon others in the most supreme manner.
I mean, sure, all concepts have subtle influences but of all the Daedra, I would say that Molag Bal is the very least subtle. His will is literally carried out by a blunt object. Domination is absolute, one cannot be truly dominant until they've reached the top of the ladder. Dominance itself is judged by just how much space you can possibly leave between you and the people below you on that ladder. The display of dominance is equally if not more importantly shown through the presence of those you leave under your boot, to the stature of the one dominating. It's not just a simple desire for influence, it is the pure energy of displaying how much more magnificent you are than the dirt below you.
You are the highest possible power, your subject is the most pathetic speck of dust: that is truest display of domination.
>>48294468
from a loading screen http://www.uesp.net/wiki/File:SR-load-Morthal_is_said_to_be_named.jpg
Molag Bal's a fucking faggot, glad Vivec showed him a lesson
>>48294572
>Morihouse
>nordic hero
Wew.
>>48294611
Mory in the Haus?
>>48289838
>Trapping a soul into an inanimate object
This isn't how it works, the soul is a catalyst to embed the enchantment, after use it returns to the Dreamsleeve. the exception is black souls, which are sent to the Soul Cairn when used.
>>48290521
>find a black soul gem
>sweet, this will be great for my new weapon enchant!
>accidentally kill a rat
>black soul gem is worthless now
FUCK YOU SOUL GEM
>>48290687
She is unable to disguise her form, and chooses not to appear because her true form is a horrible writhing mass of evil.
Also she is the worst daedra, not only manipulative and deceitful but actively petty and vengeful with it, like all the worst parts of Jehovah.
>>48294723
>drop soul gem
>pick it up again
>everything is fine
>>48294611
>Breath-of-Kyne
>not a Nordic hero
>>48294674
So on the topic of daedric society, would Dagon's followers even be able to maintain something? Or would it be a constant cycle of civil war and revolution?
>>48295254
Dremoras seem to do alright under Dagon's command and they are pretty organized.
>>48294743
>and chooses not to appear because her true form is a horrible writhing mass of evil.
Citation needed.
>Also she is the worst daedra, not only manipulative and deceitful but actively petty and vengeful with it
Michael is that you?
>>48295254
Well, the big example we have is Mythic Dawn, and they seemed to manage pretty well. Overall, it's more effective to act as a group to cause more destruction/revolution than continuously challenging the organization.
>>48292204
ULFRIC DID NOTHING WRONG
>>48293888
>>48293989
>>48294006
more Almalexihaus
Alduin pls go.
It's not very likely Black Marsh has an outright Monarchy, is it?
>>48298375
If anything it would be Theocracy.
Could one turn oneself into a walking gate of oblivion? Like literary, not someone constantly conjuring but someone who uses their body as a portal for dremoras and shit to pour into mundus. Like a suicidebomber but instead of going boom you shit daedras.
>>48299461
No, magic is not 40k psyker bullshit.
Prior to oblivion the only way to even open a short term game involved a ritual involving morphic stone, ritual cleansing and for the Prince of wherever you want to go to turn their eye to your petty mortal pleas. And yo had to have hella skill and hella will to pull that off.
>>48299461
>Dagon Wahhabis
BEHEAD THOSE WHO INSULT DAGON
>>48295780
>things ulfric did wrong
>force an issue of faith for his own personal gain knowing full well that the imperial stance on talos worship was 'don't ask, don't tell'
>did this on the tail for forcing the people who would become the forsworn out of their ancestral land aiding in the creation of idealogically motivated terrorists
>misuse of a sacred gift in the murder of a young king
>Like seriously you're a war veteran, you couldn't beat him in a duel?
>allowing the guy who let him out of the city to stay behind and get executed
>seriously you couldn't have sent a thief to break him out
>breaking a centuries old covenant for his own personal gain while using religion as a smoke screen
>bluntly allowing himself to be used by Thalmor to incite civil war
>tfw akatosh will never hug you
>>48295570
The guy who wrote her should know her better than her fanbois do.
>>48294869
10/10
>>48296788
You mean Allesia.
Met a girl called 'Alma' today, had to resist calling her Almalexia.
>>48300636
>centuries old covenant
30 years actually, Great War was 30 years before the events of Skyrim. Empire was readying to start a 2nd Great War.
>>48303712
That's still not a citation.
The worst thing Azura ever did was give the Chimer a makeover. Which even then boiled down to justice. Besides that she's consistently been portrayed as an uncharacteristically compassionate Daedra who actually cares about her followers. If you're privy to further information that challenges that I'd be very grateful if you could share it.
>>48303911
SHIT
I thought I was finally past making that flub
>>48304107
>The worst thing Azura ever did was give the Chimer a makeover.
No evidence she did this, more likely a result of using the Heart.
>Which even then boiled down to justice.
Cursing a whole race for the actions of three people is justice?
>portrayed
Absolutely, she's very careful about managing her reputation as a "good daedra".
>actually cares about her followers
No evidence for this either. She feels possessive towards "her" people, that's not the same as caring about them.
>>48304157
>t. sotha shill
stop trying to defending the tribunal's crimes, azura was right
>>48304181
The Tribunal objectively did nothing wrong, Azura was just pissed because her little playthings disobeyed her. Also Sotha is Worst Tribune, fucking cogs mang.
>>48304195
Tribunal did everything wrong, and Sotha Sil is objectively the coolest.
Almalexia is just shit and Vivec is overrated.
>>48304244
>Tribunal did everything wrong
The Heart was not Azura's to command, Lorkhan would have approved of the Tribunal seizing godhood, and for most of their reign the Tribunal brought unprecedented peace and prosperity to Morrowind. Hell if Dagoth Ur hadn't woken up and banjaxed everything, Morrowind would never have suffered the calamities it has since the Tribunal fell.
>>48304272
You forgot the point of being chimer/dunmer, the Tribunal made them grow weak.
It's why they got fucked over completely by Oblivion Crisis, Umbriel, Red Year and Argonian Invasion. Tribunal, not even once.
>>48304311
That's a fair point I guess, but it's hardly the fault of the Tribunal that they got pwnt, that was largely Dagoth Ur and partly Azura's machinations.
>>48304181
>t. sotha shill
I don't get why it has to be one way or the other, I think both Azura and the Tribunal were terrible people/gods.
>>48304157
>>48304195
>>48304272
Ah, so it's just pure Tribunal-fanboism talking.
Thanks for clearing that up anon.
You an Ulfric-fag too?
>>48304157
>No evidence for this either.
Invocations of Azura.
Oblivion's quest.
Morrowind.
>>48304375
Not that guy, but Azura doesn't really seem above taking credit for things she has little to do with e.g. the nerevarine.
>>48304394
Oh he did all of the heavy lifting, no argument there. But he literally couldn't advance without her guidance.
And the whole REVEEEEEEEENGE angle didn't manifest until the DLC anyway under a different writer.
Did the Tribunal kill Nerevar or not save him from his mortal wounds on purpose?
>>48304496
Vivec makes it clear they straight up murdered him.
>>48304496
MK says so. With a a hefty "Ah but we then rewrote history so that we're innocnet of all charges neenurneenurneeeeeenurrrrrrrr" copout attached.
>>48304496
> "We did not murder Nerevar. The legend that we murdered Nerevar comes from a story told by a shield-companion to Nerevar, Alandro Sul, who lived among the Ashlanders. The Ashlanders have retained Alandro Sul's account as part of their oral histories. The account is persuasive in some details, implausible in others, and is in any case false. I have two accounts of Nerevar's death here in my library. Read them, and judge for yourself."
The accounts in question are "The Battle of Red Mountain" and "Nerevar at Red Mountain".
>>48304583
>>48304496
The interesting part of this is that Vivec's account "Battle at red Mountain" doesn't contain any mention of Nerevar's death at all. "judge for yourself" indeed.
>>48304107
No Daedra truly care for mortals. But some like to pretend that they do, like Azura and Meridia.
>>48304614
Meridia isn't a daedra and has never claimed to care about mortals. She just HATES the undead, and so is an ally of mortals because of the old "enemy of my enemy" trope.
>>48304614
t. Stendarr
>>48304650
But that's wrong.
>>48304674
Eh. I like Meridia, top 3 easy, but he's kinda right.
Reminder that Valenwood & Elseweyr is rightful Cyrodiilic clay.
>>48304882
t. Tiber Septim
He's correct, though.
>>48304971
Meant for
>>48304663
>>48304971
>>48304975
t. Vigilants
>>48304983
>If I force this t. meme enough, I can make it funny!
>>48304993
>responding to memery
When was the Imperial city founded, and by whom? Does it have a name other than Imperial city?
I assume that it was founded to be the capital of a cyrodiilic empire, but not which.
>>48305049
It was originally the Ayleid capitol, but it was taken by Alessia during the slave revolution.
>>48304993
Hey now I was only one of them. Force nothing.
Anyway, I still contest it. Or at least that Azura cares more than any of the other 15 do.
Some Daedric Princes do care somewhat for the wellbeing of their followers right? Sheogorath and Malacath come to mind.
>>48305211
ofcourse, wellbeing is relative if you have the misfortune of being insane or an orc
>>48305049
The White-Gold Tower and the surrounding major buildings (likely, since the style is similar) were constructed by the Ayleids, but I'd imagine humans have built a shitload of their own around and on top of the original Ayleid structures. Of course, we don't actually see this in Oblivion because, you know, engine limitations.
>>48305189
*argue that Azura etc..
>>48305231
It just works anon. The Cyrodiil you see in Oblivion is the real Cyrodiil.
>>48305211
The same way you wouldn't want somebody to take a chess-piece, yes.
>>48305268
>>48305231
How accurate is this map?
Is the Imperial city just a center of administration and such, and the citizens live outside of it and work, or is it actually lived in?
Are the human architecture made residential areas on the City Isle (beautiful name) or along the ring roads around it?
>>48305391
Imperial City is full of residential houses.
Used to be a Venetian water-way city but Talos/WhiteGold/both changed it to something more traversable.
>>48305428
>Talos/WhiteGold/both
More like "Let's make Oblivion look like the LotR movies".
>>48305391
Look at the map key. See how the imperial city is a square? Look at what that means.
>>48305189
>Or at least that Azura cares more than any of the other 15 do.
So cares more than actively hating them, you mean?
Sheo is a comedic figure in the games, but in reality he would be terrifying. By turns whimsical, then hideously savage, then conciliatory, then wrathful... he makes the god of the Old Testament look like a kitten by comparison.
>>48305391
Where the fuck did you get this? Over half of the locations are made up and all provinces are incorrectly shaped
>>48305391
The Imperial City is Tenochtitlan.
>>48305391
>Imperial Republic
>5th Era
Yeah, no.
>>48305391
>Skyrim Empire
>Morrowind Confederation
>Imperial Republic of Cyrodiil
>Elinor Hegemony
what the fuck is this shit
also, are black marsh and hammerfell even confirmed republics?
>>48305470
It is not a canon map, I got it off of googling it. I don't trust it, which is why I asked, and clearly I'm correct in my assumption that it's shifty.
>>48305480
nah senpai clearly Salisbury is a place in Cyrodiil, and Leyawiin is german while the gold coast is welsh.
>First
>Nordic
>Empire
>>48304882
This desu
I've come to more realizations.
I remember when I finally understood the Morag Tong was not just the good guy assassins, but instead what Morrowind used instead of battling wars with soldiers. Now I realize that the Morag Tong doesn't exist as it's own faction sitting out on it's own, but it serves to contrast with the Imperial legion.
One of the major points of Morrowind is how the once prominent Dunmeri culture is being pushed out in favor of Western culture, and there exists a dichotomy of western and eastern factions. Imperial Cult vs. Tribunal Temple, Mages Guild vs. House Telvanni, Fighters Guild vs. House Redoran, Thieves Guild vs. House Hlaalu/Camonna Tong, etc. This shows how the views and culture compare and contrast between the east and the west.
>>48304650
>>48304826
Meridia is a Magna-ge left behind. One reason why she hates the undead is that they disrupt the flow of souls to the dreamworlds. Imagine being an electrician and there are some assholes tapping in into the intricate electrical circuit you help create.
>>48304496
Well there was a Dragon-break during that time, so anything goes.
>>48305439
They don't though. Not at all. Skyrim looks like LotR movies if anything.
Everytime I hear somebody say this it sounds more and more than a sourceless shitpost.
>>48306672
>Imagine being an electrician and there are some assholes tapping in into the intricate electrical circuit you help create.
Well I wouldn't start killing the assholes and using violence to fix the circuitry.
>>48306806
Imagine if rats were chewing on the cables and just wouldn't die on their own. Instead the electrocution gives them super-powers, now you are dealing with super-mice.
>>48304993
>meme
Writing "t." is a lot quicker than writing "so sayeth".
>>48305439
>>48306791
Both look like the LotR movies, just different parts.
>>48306520
I always saw it as Redoran/Legion and Morag Tong/Dark Brotherhood
>>48306878
I thought that Skyrim the province was well designed. Fuck me right?
>>48306830
Yeah, I guess I'd get to trapping or get a mean enough cat to do it.
![latest[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/bR51Cr8.jpg "latest[1].jpg")
>>48306901
![1265WhiterunExterior011[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/jkZ4Rqm.jpg "1265WhiterunExterior011[1].jpg")
>>48306962
>>48306901
>>48306901
how is that well designed?
It's a generic medieval (or whatever period it is) house.
>>48306962
>>48306975
>>48307032
>>48307032
>>48307044
>Durr look they're both backed up against a mountain range! It's the same!
>>48306962
>>48306975
>Durr look they're both on a hill! Both the same xd
>>48306862
...I thought "t." meant "thank you".
>>48306672
>left behind
She was expelled for reasons that are murky, but probably connected to her zealous nature. She's counted as a Daedric prince despite being Aedric, the only such being to have taken part in the creation of Nirn /and/ to have a plane of Oblivion under her control (well there's Malacath but it's not clear how much of Trinimac is left in him)
>>48307055
Take a look at the houses themselves, retard
>>48305479
I'd say only a few are outright hateful towards mortals. There's Dagon, Bal, Vaermina, I want to say Boethiah and Mephala but considering they lead a cultural renaissance and formed an entire new race I'd guess not. I personally think Namira's a cunt but hey, degenerates need love too I guess.
Most of the ones in the middle like Sanguine, Hircine and Mora just like fuckin' around. Nirn's like a summers retreat.
>>48307061
Nope. It's a Finnish abbreviation used to attribute a quote.
>>48307055
Dude, I fucking loved Skyrim and it was a Peter Jackson through and through.
>>48307083
So we owe /int/ for it?
>>48306520
Yeah it's pretty subtle / awesome how the lore comes alive in the faction system, crude tho it is. I always saw it as like the Hellenisation of the Jews after the time of Alexander.
>>48307097
It most likely came to us by way of krautchan.
>>48307061
>>48307083
It's the Finnish version of writing "Mr." in front of someone's name
>>48307097
Nope, krautchan.
>>48307074
It'd be quicker to list the ones not actively malevolent. Azura (covertly malevolent), meridia (not a daedra), Sheogorath (intemittently malevolent) and Hermeus Mora (abstrusely malevolent).
>>48307147
>meridia (not a daedra)
This meme needs to end.
>>48307133
>It's the Finnish version of writing "Mr." in front of someone's name
That'd be hra. "t." is an abbreviation of terveisin, meaning 'regards'.
t. finn
>>48307161
>>48307198
An aggurate rebresendadion.
>>48307032
fuck you I thought the idea of nords using dwemer ruins as a city was cool as fuck
>>48307372
Markarth is fucking awesome. It's just that the resemblance is there, not that it bothers me at all.
>Merid-Nunda was once one of the Magna Ge before she consorted with the Daedra and became the Daedric Prince Meridia.
>>48300636
and dont forget the fact that High King Toryg admired Ulfric and looked up to him and would have likely rebelled against the empire if Ulfric asked him to, his former advisor will tell you that the only reason they even allowed Ulfric to enter the castle is because they thought he was there to ask the king to rebel not to kill him
>>48307576
She's a daedric Prince, but not a daedra herself. It's like how Obama is POTUS of America, but not an American himself.
>>48307592
>>48300636
It's likely Ulfric knew this, but since he wanted to be High King himself, that wouldn't have fit his agenda.
>>48306981
>It's a generic medieval (or whatever period it is) house.
>or whatever period it is
you cant even identify it yet you call it generic, what the fuck is wrong with you?
>>48307161
>>48307198
The Orsimer are based on Finns
>>48307617Obama is Hawaiian, we can't have a foreign man running our great free country
>>48307617
You clearly don't understand what the word "Daedra" means. It just means "not our ancestors", and Meridia didn't participate in the creation of Mundus. She's totally a Daedra.
>>48307776
>You clearly don't understand what the word "Daedra" means
I know what daedra means.
>and Meridia didn't participate in the creation of Mundus.
Seem /you/ don't know what "Magna-Ge" means.
>>48305787
WE WUZ EMPERORS N SHEIT
In all seriousness, does anyone know more about the Nordic empires? Were they just standard expansions not necessarily endorsed by the High King, or was he actually leading invasions and crowning himself emperor?
>>48307147
What about Nocturnal?
Worst I've read she killed a girl who was trying to directly rob her.
>>48307157
It hasn't even begun.
>>48307032
>Helm's Deep
>not Minas Tirith
>>48307886
Eh I guess. She's hardly benign, but doesn't seem murderous.
>>48296788
>tfw Alessia is the mother-saint figure of mankind
>tfw Morihaus "Breath-of-Kyne" is a metaphorical representation of masculinity and all mankind as a collective undertaking force
>tfw your mom is a giant slut
>>48307776
>>48307808
I was under the impression Magna-Ge filled a weird mid-point between Aedra and Daedra since they attended the procession but didn't give of themselves to Nirn. Hence why they weren't stuck and were able to escape.
>>48294514
>Your posts imply an incredibly subtle take on domination
As is appropriate of the question asked.
He was specifically asking for what a society ruled by followers of Bal, and with a priesthood of Bal in place, would look like. There really isn't a precedent for something like that in the games, but it would necessitate a more subtle take on the concept of dominance.
And honestly, I do think it's very setting-appropriate to have some leeway in the way a Prince is interpreted. As you can for example see in Dunmeri culture and religion, the Princes are not simple or entirely one-dimensional. All Princes are beings of concept, and the concept isn't inherently crude or subtle. Even if cultists tend to act a certain way, there is no necessity that all worship needs to take that form.
The moment a society grows larger than a cult, larger than can be ruled by individual brutality or ability alone, then the concept of dominance has to be divorced from the most crude understanding of domination. The concept of domination without physical closeness shouldn't be unfamiliar to most cultists. Any cultist of Bal would acknowledge Bal's superiority and see themselves as subservient to him, yet Bal has very little personal interaction with the average cultist. Bal is not there to personally rape or beat them, yet they're in his dominion.
>>48307942
They took part but bailed when Magnus did.
>>48307952
Why was Magnus such a bitch? He laid out the plans and then fucked off because he didn't like it. Did he flee before or after Lorkhan's death?
>>48307946
>>48294514
The Daedra are not /solely/ malevolent, any more than the Aedra are /solely/ good. Even the biggest cunt of the bunch, Dagon Ur, is the champion of revolutionaries fighting for justice, as well as magicians seeking the deepest truths of Nirn.
>>48307952
Yeah, that's what I'm saying, The 8 Aedra contributed a part of their very essence to creation and cuntless lesser et'Ada helped fortify it, hence why they weren't able to bail. Magnus and his followers just drew up the schematics, there wasn't anything tethering them.
>>48307971
He laid the plans to Lorkhan's scheme, once he realized he'd been tricked he bugged out. It's like how Sauron tricked the Elves into making the Rings of Power, but when he placed the One Ring on his finger, they realized they'd been tricked and hid their rings from him.
>>48307946
Continued:
>Dominance itself is judged by just how much space you can possibly leave between you and the people below you on that ladder.
No, I have to disagree here. If the it was the case that distance in power has any real significance, then Bal would never gift power. Then there would be no hierarchy among cultists.
Consider this: Would it matter to Bal if you raped a cripple or a warrior? If distance of power between the dominator and the dominated was important, would I not keep the largest amount of distance by just targeting the weak, sick and elderly?
Vampires are again something to look at, since they're the closest we get to a society of Bal cultists. Vampire Patriarchs/Matriarchs control Clans in a large part due to their personal prowess and position, but they aren't dominant though beating and raping the other Clan members at all times. Domination can, and often must be, more subtle. Nor do they seek to keep fellow Clan members as downthrodden as possible at all times. If the distance of power was important, why not just gather mortal cattle?
I think I'm not arguing my point well in this post, but my core message is this: The relationship between the dominator and the dominated is more complex than one singular individual getting everything and everyone weaker getting absolutely nothing. There is strong indications that the concept of a tiered hierarchy and "gifts of power" to those beneath you being within the sphere of Bal.
>>48307974
>Dagon Ur
We gonna mix shit up now?
>>48307971
As I understand it he fucked off because he he saw everyone else getting stuck and figured he might be trapped too if he tarried. Convention was then held by those not so lucky.
Hence why he's worshipped by Mer and not Men. Given the elven worldview, they revere his common fucking sense.
>>48307980
Magnus and the Magna-Ge did participate, for a time, until Magnus realized it was a trick and ordered them to bail. Meridia became enamored of Nirn and so "fell", but the only reason she's cvonsidered a daedra is because she rules a plane of Oblivion.
>>48307952
>They took part
As much as cheerleaders take part in a football match. The Magne-Ge did not give anything of themselves.
>>48308012
I can never remember his stupid name.
>>48308006
I like what I'm seeing in the bottom left
>>48308032
Mehrunes Dagon and Dagoth Ur are the ones you mixed up.
>>48308019
Could Meridia have hijacked the realm of another Daedric Prince that we now will never know about?
>>48308057
>Could Meridia have hijacked the realm of another Daedric Prince that we now will never know about?
There are countless realms in Oblivion, possibly an infinite number, Meridia doesn't have the power to create such a thing but then neither do the other Princes, only all the gods working together under Magnus and Lorkhan could achieve such a feat.
>>48308024
There's no consensus on their nature, they're not considered Aedra because only the 7 great beings whose bodies formed the planets visible from Nirn are counted as such, even tho all elnofey are technically aedra.
>>48308097
>7
Would Arkay and Talos not become planetary bodies like Mannimarco did (Necromancer's moon) after their apotheosis?
>>48308097
>7
It's 8.
t. Redguards.
>>48308159
Arkay or rather the Oversoul that would become Arkay was there from the beginning.
Talos' planetary body is Nirn itself.
>>48308159
No evidence that they did, but I could be wrong.
>>48307880
I recall a book talking about Harald leading an invasion, but I can't give any source. Likely it was a mix of the High King showing his power by military campaigning and independent ventures undertaken by semi-independent warchiefs.
I don't believe any Nordic king actually proclaimed himself Emperor; calling it the First Empire probably serves as Imperial propaganda and/or claim for legitimacy.
>>48308057
>How little you understand! You cannot stop Lord Dagon. The Principalities have sparkled as gems in the black reaches of Oblivion since the First Morning. Many are their names and the names of their masters: the Coldharbour of Meridia, Peryite's Quagmire, the ten Moonshadows of Mephala, and... and Dawn's Beauty, the Princedom of Lorkhan... misnamed 'Tamriel' by deluded mortals.
mankar pls go
>>48308183
>Talos' planetary body is Nirn
dude what
>>48308214
Was it ever explained how they fucked up that bad?
>>48308214
>the Coldharbour of Meridia, Peryite's Quagmire, the ten Moonshadows of Mephala
am I stupid or is Mankar mixing up realms and princes?
>>48308203
The term Empire is also sometimes used, often in later times, about kingdoms that never proclaimed an Emperor.
>>48308223
Well, maybe not literally like the others. More in a symbolic sense.
>>48308241
>Holy
>Roman
>Empire
>First
>Nordic
>Empire
>>48308250
Does Talos have any influence on Akavir then?
>>48308230
As far as I'm aware, there's still disagreement about this being one of three things:
>Developer fuckup
>Intentionally having Mankar be mistaken
>Intentionally pointing out bonds between princes
In the case of Meridia and Molag Bal, the two are very much intertwined, which is a source of further disagreement.
>>48308239
He's mixing it the fuck up, but we don't know why.
>>48308276
>Developer fuckup
Wasn't all of Makar's dialogue written by MK himself?
>>48308264
As much as anything has any influence on Akavir.
>>48308276
>In the case of Meridia and Molag Bal, the two are very much intertwined
News to me. Do tell....Ahhhh fuck it's an ESO thing isn't it.
>>48290737
Does: Hircine, Hermaeus Mora, Peryite, Sheogorath, Meridia,
Sort of: Clavicus Vile
Does not: Malacath, Mephala, Meridia, Boethiah, Namira, Vaermina, Molag Bal, Mehrunes Dagon, Azura
>>48307617
wew
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>>48307946
Many Ayleids states were Bal worshipers and they made a habit of brutalizing those below them and absolutely annihilating their enemies.
The Dreugh of Lyg were also Bal worshipers and they were known to have cruelly enslaved the entire world.
>>48308006
>No, I have to disagree here. If the it was the case that distance in power has any real significance, then Bal would never gift power
Because Bal isn't just some being who wants to be dominant. Bal is dominance manifested. Every display of dominance has his hand in it. Showing your power over others is what pleases him most.
Dominance by definition, is judged by exactly what I just described. To be the most dominant does not just require you gain power but that those below you wallow and suffer. Seriously consider the meaning of displaying the highest possible dominance and you will know I'm right.
>would I not keep the largest amount of distance by just targeting the weak, sick and elderly
You would keep the largest amount of distance by making the warrior weak sick or elderly. Dominance is a very competitive and selfish concept. If your looking to be the most dominant, you don't just want to be at the top of the ladder, you want everyone off it.
Dominance is far more satisfying when you knock those right behind you, or even above you, off the ladder.
One who is dominant doesn't target dirt, one who is dominant makes sure all below him are dirt.
The concept isn't necessarily absolute, just an underlying truth. A society of Bal worshipers I would assume to be ruled by a brutal aristocracy.
>>48308360
>Meridia
she appeared as a ball of light and spoke to you. She didn't manifest as a humanoid but I'd throw her in there under sort-of with Clavicus
>>48308441
>ball of light
Most appropriate way to depict her, really.
>>48307880
The conquests of Vrage in High Rock were obviously endorsed by him, seeing as he was High King. The conquest of Morrowind and Nibenay were initiated by ambitious vassals who were inspired by his success in the west.
>>48308203
You may be thinking of the journal of Skorm Snow Strider, though Harald was not around during the Skyrim Conquests. Harald united Skyrim into a singular kingdom, it's his son Vrage who begins incursions outside of Skyrim.
>>48308568
Right, that's it. Should've remembered Harald was the unifier of the kingdom, just like in real life.
>>48308422
Wouldn't the biggest act of dominance be to have someone slightly below you on the ladder and be able to dictate every aspect on their lives?
Dominating a peasant is an easy task.
Having the slayer of armies, destroyer of nations and deflowerer of nunneries be your bitch, while not obliterating him and letting him keep his power as a show of your domination over him ("You're so far beneath me, that there's no worry that you would ever rebel against me.") and letting him dominate others for you, should please B much more.
>>48308673
I'd say disgracing the slayer of armies, breaking, taming, and humiliating him, would be a much more effective display of dominance.
Imagine what would people say when they see the destroyer of nations is your own personal butt-slave.
>>48308325
No, it's older than that. ESO just took it a lot further.
They are, in many ways, bound to be opposites with similarities.
Both have non-traditional Daedra origins, (Magne-Ge and Leaper King).
Molag Bal is the father of vampires, Meridia opposes false life. Molag Bal wishes to enslave souls, Meridia wants the soul cycle to be undisturbed. Meridia is bound to light and the Sun, which in turn harms Molag Bal's children.
Meridia is bound to hope, which conflicts with the hopeless sphere of Molag Bal.
And then there's Mankar, who should know what he's talking about, tying Meridia to Coldharbour. People have been arguing that this is supposed to signify a Enantionorphic mirror since Oblivion.
There's also a Magne-Ge connection to Lyg, which you could argue is like Coldharbour, but that is likely too vague, plus it brings Dagon into the mix.
>>48308869
Wasn't Dagon the Leaper King?
>>48308895Y-yes...>tfw you got your princes mixed up and now you look like a moron
>>48308838
That only works as long as this pathetic creature is known as the destroyer of nations.
You're above him, bring him down, now he's just another peasant.
Let him stay who he is but make it clear that this happens only because you want it to.
Dominate him, he dominates everyone else. You can be the top dog while onlykeeping watch of one guy.
>>48308422
I think the existence of complex societies following Bal at all says enough when it comes to pointing out that dominance can be more complex than you make it out to be.
>To be the most dominant does not just require you gain power but that those below you wallow and suffer.
No, there is nothing inherent in domination that requires excessive suffering. The downtrodden are just as downtrodden if all powers is yours, regardless of how brutally you act towards them. It's the potential that matters, not the brutality itself. Domination just refers to control, suffering is related but distinct.
>If your looking to be the most dominant, you don't just want to be at the top of the ladder, you want everyone off it.
Again, I cannot agree to that. What matters is the order, weak subservient to strong, and only that. If you are the strongest champion, it matters not if the ones you dominate are peasants or warriors, just that you dominate them. I'd go as far as saying that there's absolutely no precedent for what you're claiming here.
However, a city-state, clan, tribe or cult following Bal would be a organisation with a hierarchy, a ladder. And if the top dog burns the ladder, he only harms his actual ability to dominante.
>>48308922
>You're above him, bring him down, now he's just another peasant
Exactly, you are putting him in his place. He's a peasant and weakling to you.
Obviously he will be kept on wide display, he's your trophy after all, people need to know who he is and how you destroyed the destroyer of nations.
>Dominate him, he dominates everyone else
That makes him the dominator. The people won't fear you they will fear him. What's to stop him from just fucking killing you and taking the reins himself.
>>48307629
so yes, asshole who was interested in power no matter the cost
>>48309033
But then you're dominating the once destroyer of former nations. Let him keep up his business under your command while giving him a public rearing with hard anal sex and some cuddling afterwards every week.
Destroy nation > anal sex > destroy nation > anal sex > destr...
>>48309033
>That makes him the dominator
No, youvery special individual. Do you not understand what domination is?
The fact that there's a middle management between me and the boss doesn't mean that I can't fear his power. The fact that a peasant answers primarily to his liege lord doesn't mean he cannot fear the king.
>What's to stop him from just fucking killing you and taking the reins himself.
The fact that your power is greater still than his.
Just like a king can outrank a duke, so can you outrank him, while both of you are stronger than any peasant.
I'm not even trying to be mean here, but I have to ask if you're purposefully being dense at this point?
