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Undead edition. What's your favorite undead, anon?
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>>48276743
posting here because IRC drama is bullshit
>>48276743
Liches and vampires.
>>48276743
I dunno, there are a bunch of cool ones to choose from. Nightshades seem pretty cool, since they live in black holes on the negative energy plane and all.
>>48276743
>vox, the coffee lich
>>48276743
ALHOON
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>>48276743
Vampires, definitely vampires.
Especially the__lewdones
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Do you prefer text-only games?
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>>48276785
Don't cross the streams anon!
>>48276792
Fuck off 2hu.
>>48276743
>Favorite undead
I likevampires. I'm so sorry
>>48276785That hussy?
I'm a big fan of ghosts, myself.
>>48276786
Alhoons in service to Thoon
Hey guys, what's the best way to make Utena in /pfg/?
Always been a big fan of ghouls myself.
>>48276795
In his house at /dlq/ dead Vox lies awake because he had one too many lattes.
>>48276796
Was 2hu the one who drove Forrest away or is that just a rumor?
>>48276816
A Thoon Alhoon!
>>48276792
>The shitposter who drove away Forrest is literally so autistic that they think posting this does anything beyond piss people off and rile up the thread
Seriously, what the hell is wrong with you? You're in the IRC. Are you incapable of reading the posts there?
>>48276852
>>48276857
It's just a shitty rumor that 2hu was involved with driving Forrest away. The proof presented was literally only some anon saying that it was likely.
>>48276743
I know a lot of people are gonna say this, but it really doesn't get any cooler than liches.
>>48276872
No, >>48275964 said 2hu confirmed it was him in IRC.
>>48276872
Prove it was someone else, then.
>>48276852
>>48276872
Specifically, the "proof" was that he took part in the conversation where Forrest said the thing. The public conversation. That anyone can read.
>>48276883
That "confirmation" was 2hu pointing out that there was no rule against it and that we shouldn't expect newcomers to just know not to take casual conversation as RAI gospel. Which is fucking bullshit, but not in any way a confession.
>>48276743
Probably Jiang-shi. All the unnatural horror of a vampire, but in a hoppy package.
>>48276912
It's 2hu trying to cover his worthless ass and not get removed, because he's finally fucked up hard enough that his autism might really get him kicked out of a circle.
>>48276887
There's no other suspect when 2hu was the only one autistic enough to do it.
>>48276928
>>48276933
>>48276912
For fuck's sake, shut up and move on!
>>48276912
>That "confirmation" was 2hu pointing out that there was no rule against it and that we shouldn't expect newcomers to just know not to take casual conversation as RAI gospel. Which is fucking bullshit
But... it's true.
How are newcomers supposed to know a rule that isn't written anywhere?
>>48276933
>>48276928
How's about you fucking drop it instead of bringing drama into both the thread and the IRC when the moderator of said IRC has politely requested as much?
Not deliberately shitposting would be mighty fuckin' excellent.
Hey, you know what might bring Forrest back? NOT being assholes
>>48276953
Because you shouldn't take casual conversation as RAI gospel. There doesn't need to be a rule about it.
>>48276953
It's not about a rule existing, but about the fact that this has happened repeatedly and Forrest is tired of her words being used out of context.
>>48276976
This happened to Elric too. It's a bit annoying; we're players too, not just developers.
Can a bladebound magus have his black blade be a +1 keen instead of a +2?
Be honest lads, have you ever had the opportunity to handle 7+ maneuvers?
Because good lord the most I get is 5th before things end or fall apart.
>>48276855
ALHOON! ALHOON! ALHOON!
YOU KNOW WHAT FUCK IT
SORRY INNOCENT ANONS BUT THE TROVE IS TEMPORARILY REVOKED
I KNOW DAMN FUCKING WELL I AM OVERSTEPPING MY BOUNDS HERE
I KNOW I DON'T HAVE ANY REAL AUTHORITY
I KNOW I'M AS MUCH A "PRINCESS" HERE AS THE QUEEN IS A QUEEN IN CANADA
BUT JUST ONCE, JUST TODAY, I DON'T GIVE A FLYING 360 NOSCOPE ASS WIPE
FORREST WAS MY FRIEND AND I HAD TO START MY DAY OUT WITH THAT SHIT
I DON'T NEED THIS PERSONAL ARMY GODDAMN STUPIDITY MAKING IT WORSE
YOU CAN HAVE THE TROVE BACK AFTER YOU CAN GO ONE HOUR, ONE SINGLE, STRAIGHT HOUR, WITHOUT A SINGLE MENTION OF FORREST OR THE IRC OR TOHO OR ANY OF IT
WE GOOD? I HOPE SO BUT IF WE'RE NOT OH-FUCKING-WELL!
>>48277024
You need to calm down, because you are making things worse.
>>48276743
Dullahans are dope. I am also partial to ghouls.
>>48277024
Congratulations, QANON, you just ensured that the PFS and Paizo shitposters have something they can directly do to stop people pirating books, and single-handedly crippled the community because your friend had a mildly bad day because of a few shitposters.
>>48276819
Munch carpet
>>48277065
I'm not sure Forrest is even having a bad day. If anything, it's a bad day for the people who enjoyed having a DSP dev on hand to bug about things.
Quickly, /pfg/, tell me about the time when you stopped giving a fuck and went full ham.
I asked in old threat but nobody answer me so i'm gonna try it again: Advice with a good gnome build who can dealt with mages? I thought barbarian at first but group said my gnome is gonna suck so i need help with another class
>>48277024
So a shitposter can now deny people access to the trove. You gave them more power.
>>48277085
Pretty sure they're talking about 2hu, given the gist of the thread is "2hu did it, lynch him"
>>48276997
So you're one of the guys behind Route to Hubbub or I got it wrong?
>>48277024
What's this Forrest business? Kinda been out of the loop.
What is Forrest's favorite 2hu?
>>48277132
>Forest 2hu
Moko or a fairy
>>48277132
Good question. I think it's been asked before in the IRC, but I don't remember the answer.
I do remember her posting an Osu chart for a Cirno song, I think.
>>48277122
I've been heavily involved in Game Trail of Debate, yes.
>>48277091
Jumped across a pit with a floating enemy in the middle to a small ledge on the other side to give my allies a flanking bonus. One failed roll would have been instant death.
>>48277095
Try Skald? The casting is a nice boost and you keep the barbarian flavor.
>>48277130
tl;dr Forrest was hanging out in the irc as a place to chill without being A Dev, people kept taking her casual comments as official rules, this morning that caused a shitstorm, Forrest left the irc (and possibly the thread?), and anon is certain 2hu did it with flimsy evidence.
And now Qanon's lost her mind
>>48277091
The DM tried to pull a "I'm dragging your name through the mud" session and my character not only accepted the accusations of devilry, but he in fact committed some legitimate evil because, after all, society already expected he would do it.
I can't even begin to describe how petulant the DM got, or how hard he backpedaled to us being respectable heroes.
It didn't work, it turned into the DM losing his shit as we embraced evil and killed his waifu quest giver.
>>48277147
Gareth I have a question for you:j/k I just wanted to say thank you for all you do here and for taking all the shit some idiots want to heap on you. You rock, buddy.
>>48277154
Isn't this the second time Forrest went prima Donna and left the thread?
can namefags and ircucks just fuck right off?
your shitty drama has nothing to do with pathfinder, christ even the poltards are better
>>48277152
skald is legit but bloodrager is probably better for the "magical barbarian" flavor.
>>48277163
Really don't get why some GMs do that-putting their waifus in stabbing distance of the PCs rarely (if ever) ends well.
>>48277003
Guys?
>>48277196
As far as I know, yes.
>>48277196
Does the archetype description say you can?
>>48277132
>>48277146
Pic related.
>>48277096
Imo, that's not really necessary; it's just making it worse.
Personally? I've been watching this as I've gone about today's errands and at this point I just think people should stop with the witchhunt bullshit. I left the irc chat today because my words in discussions in that room have been repeatedly taken out of context and caused problems for us at DSP or drama in general. It's been noted before that this is not ideal, and at this point it's happened enough that I can't in good conscience remain there.
It is not 2hu's or anyone's fault, and I don't really care /who/ does it, just that it keeps happening and it's frustrating as hell.
>>48277185
Not as far as I know. The last time I vanished for a while it was because I was incredibly busy with some serious real life matters.
>>48277147
Well, then can I ask you something?
those guys recruit people to do pictures? I'm an extremely broke drawfag.
EXTREMELY.
>>48277235
Oops meant to reply to >>48277024 with that second section. Phoneposting sucks.
>>48277235
They're instating new rules to stop this bullshit from happening in the future. Come back pls.
>>48277235
That is a good touhou choice.
Anyway, sad to see you go Forrest. I'm sorry this happened.
>>48277194
The waifu was doing fine until we turned mustache-twirling evil.
Really, she had it coming; adventurers are not heroic by default, and the more you shit on them the more they embrace the shit.
>>48277003
>>48277214
I don't see why they couldn't.
>>48277154
>>48277130
Crucial other bit is that as a result of the flimsy claims of it being 2hu's fault, people are calling for a witch-hunt on him, which is silly for so many reasons.
>>48277185
Not as far as I'm aware of, but Forrest hasn't even technically left the thread, because she wasn't here in the first place. Apparently she left the IRC, though. I can understand why she would, if casual conversation there is getting quoted as DSP-fact and then dropped over here in the thread, causing trouble.
>>48277235
>Mokou
Acceptable tastes.Please don't cook the birdgirls though.
Why are trip/namefags such fucking drama queens.
>>48277024
The Queen is Queen in Canada you retard. She even has palaces here, with crown owned land and corporations.
>>48277240
Send a portfolio to [email protected] and let him know you're willing to work on the cheap. Price estimates may be asked for, and Godspeed, brave drawfriend.
>>48277152
>>48277188
Thank you so much you two anons, i gonna give a try to both and see what left a better impresion with the gnome chasis
>>48277279
Eh, they bring us presents, especially Q. I'm willing to forgive a little drama from time to time.
>>48277305
QANON just revoked the Trove from the whole Pathfinder community because of a handful of shitposters.
>>48277311
Well we had a trove before that one that had a lot more stuff. Just lacked the newer things.
>>48277311
Her trove was missing a bunch of Paizo stuff anyway, who cares. She's a softie, I give it a day before she brings it back.
>>48277340
It'd be an hour if people stopped being assholes.
>>48277287
Thanks man.
>>48277340
beyond that I give it less than a day until someone uploads a new version
who wants some crazy cunt with a personality disorder in charge of that anyways?
>>48276743
Since we've already got an undead-themed General, I've got a question. My PCs are traveling through a haunted forest and will be getting periodically harassed by a ghost with access to Greater Shadow Conjuration (and a DM willing to be pretty liberally about what it can do with that SLA). What sort of spoopy encounters can I throw at the PCs? The ghost itself stays in the background, but it's happy to do stuff like since conjured enemies with the appearance of their friends/family to attack them.
>>48277194
I don't even get why a DM would put THEIR waifu in a game. I mean, what's the point?
>>48277311
While I agree it's an abuse of power, I'm also sympathetic to her idea that it'd be nice if people stopped talking about all this stuff for an hour. I know /pfg/ can't actually handle that, but if it at least slightly curbs the pointless conversations about irrelevant bullshit, I can't be too angry. Not like I need anything out of the Trove anyway.
Besides, we'll get it back later, so it's a symbolic gesture at most.
>>48277417
ANIMATE THE TREES
IF YOU WANT TO TAKE IT OVER, I WILL HAND IT TO YOU.
THE ONLY REASON I EVEN HAVE IT IS BECAUSE THE LAST ONE WENT UNMAINTAINED FOR LIKE SIX GODDAMN MONTHS, ANON KEPT ASKING ME TO DO IT SINCE I HAVE THE BOOKS ANYWAY, AND I WANT ANON TO BE FUCKING HAPPY. IF YOU WANT TO DO IT YOURSELF, I'LL HAPPILY TURN THE ACCOUNT OVER TO YOU.
So! Who all's looking forward to the upcoming weekend? Any big plans, game-related or otherwise?
>>48277454
My game has been canceled for two weeks because we keep forgetting important birthdays in peoples' families. It's not a bit deal, but I'm missing playing.
>>48277417
She's been having a rough few days in the first place, even before this. Try not to take it personally or anything, I'm talking to her about putting the trove back.
>>48277454
I'm planning on finishing up the playtest this Saturday (once I get my NEW COMPUTER!), although if enough people want to keep it going for another week, I wouldn't hate it. Just know that I'll be MHGing it hard, so I won't be AS attentive to things.
What is a good god to worship as a Tyrant anti-paladin? Old Asmo is a classic. I was thinking of maybe just venerating the entire Godclaw.
How should I build a white-haired witch to be the ultimate grapple-mancer?
I want to do tons of damage and debuffs and the same time.
Should I dip fighter, or magus, or even monk?
>>48277454
Our worst case of stormwind is now one player and the dm's boss, and has already begun hinting that one or two of us need to go to 'make some room'. He's also 'accidentally had no choice' scheduled the dm to work on our usual game days until the problem is resolved.
>>48277454
I killed my campaign because I got enough of my shitty players, so no
>>48277454
I'm currently on a train to get on a bus to get a car to drive to my game. 4.5 hours to get there. Wish it was closer.
>>48277454
more edited rise of the runelords with the scooby gang.. super excited.
>pic related
>tiefling magus, human spiritualist + phantom, aasimar cavalier, aasimar (bow using) warlord
best group with best characters I've ever seen roleplayed.
>>48277509
Do the Godclaw, seriously. Best fluff ever.
>>48277433
That could work. I don't want to go overboard on the spoopy and just end up making things hammy. Horror campaigns and Pathfinder don't mix well, so it's like there's an invisible fine line I have to balance on.
>>48277487
I'm not even taking it personally. I wholly endorse the idea that Anon needs to be excellent to each other more often, and even if I disagree with her method I at least agree with the intention.
>>48277454
Game should hopefully be starting back up this afternoon. There are still some finishing touches on things that our characters have done during downtime, but that may be what a decent chunk of the game might end up being; just getting everything cleared up and having our new campaign layout addressed.
>>48276819
Hidden Blade UCRogue with Scarlet Throne, maybe.
>>48277554
>Don't want to go overboard on the spoopy and just end up making things hammy
But Anon, hammy horror is amazing!
>>48277556
That looks a lot fancier than her old outfit. What's that metal-looking thing on her back? And where's her pink end-bits in her hair?
>>48277509
If you can be Tien, General Susumu. Follow the law, seek glory, terrorize the peasants.
>>48277454
This weekend we'll be continuing our attack on the BBEG's castle, which began in last weekend's session. We hope to finish the assault and defeat the BBEG within the next two sessions, before one of our players has to move out of state.
>>48277605
Maybe once in a while, but I think it's a bad idea for the atmosphere of the campaign to frequently go overboard on it. The PCs will be spending several sessions in this forest, so I don't want all of them to be filled with hammy horror. And, of course, the other side to this coin is that it'd be lame if it's just "Oh, there are skeletons coming at the party now- scary, isn't it?"
I basically want to hit that middle ground where my players feel vaguely uncomfortable by proxy of their characters being terrified, which is a notoriously difficult middle ground to hit in d20 systems.
>have players participate in court politics
>tell players it is a high magic setting (since we are playing pathfinder)
>players act like nobility will never use magic or heard of it
Really guys? You think there won't be magic defenses/people will be magically defended? It's like these fuckers are a bunch of monkies.
Is this an okay char for a Shattered Star campaign?
He's a Slayer/VMC Magus w/ a Falchion, Mithril Breastplate and Cloak of Elvenkind. A lot of focus is on being sneaky. Currently entering at level 5. At Level 7 I'm trading my feat in for the Prescient Attack magus arcana so I can trigger sneak attacks on demand.
The party consists of a bruiser inquisitor, a summoner/witch (not sure which one, I've been out of the campaign for months because of outside reasons), and a homunculist alchemist who focuses on skills and crafting.
Pic related, is what the char basically looks like.
>>48277614
Many thanks, anon. The metal bits on her back are a series of Elven Curved Blades called the Six Mourning Princesses. They're carried in a 6 compartment scabbard that was taken off of an enemy Magus that was hunting us down earlier in the campaign. And her hair isn't shaded presently since I kept the colors flat in the image, what with it more being a prototype than a final product presently.
>>48277510
If you're using WHW to be a grapplemancer, the first thing you should understand is that you'll want a single-level dip in Wizard in order to get the "Knowledge is Power" arcane discovery; this adds your Intelligence Modifier as a bonus to all CMB checks. This is important because a White-Haired Witch simply USES their Intelligence instead of their Strength, while KiP is a BONUS; therefore, they stack.
>>48277666
It works, but only because Slayer can get you your basic feats via Ranger Combat Style as slayer talents. VMCs of any kind hurt a lot, even the decent/good ones like Magus or Wizard.
>>48277751
Yeah. I like VMCs mostly because you get to keep full progression on your first class. What feats do you recommend for a Falchion-using, sneaky Slayer?
>>48277454
I gave away my Saturday shift so I'm totally free. Might try to do -something- tabletop related with the ol' gaming group, though I have no idea when we're ever going to actually play some RPGs again.
Trove's back, new link, https://mega.nz/#F!9tQmBSbL!tbmlmKB_IsgDtzzrlXkVVQ
Guess we'll have to update the pastebin.
I'm supposed to tell you guys stuff but I'm too fucking lazy to paraphrase (but somehow not too lazy to change the names?)
><QANON> I'm serious I'd give the login away in a heartbeat
><QANON> I literally just proved why I shouldn't be in charge of basically anything
><QANON> I'm in no condition to cope with this right now
><anon> The mighty Q isn't up for another round of getting furiously shitposted at?
><anon> You want me to post it then?
><QANON> If you're okay with that
><QANON> tell them I'm sorry I did that
><QANON> It was wrong of me, I meant well but I hecked right up
><QANON> Sometimes I have too many feelings
><QANON> Good intents don't excuse bad acts
><anon> That may be deeper than 4chan really warrants. They're just going to call you a cuck faggot either way and forget about it in a week, why write prose about it?
><QANON> They've been good to me
><QANON> Give them my love, but, you know, angrily, as is tradition
><QANON> even the namefag REE anons
><anon> Eh, I'm literally just going to copy-paste this.
><QANON> What no!!
>>48277966
Tell her, with love, that she should post up some books with her normal loud text.
Good to see the trove's back up.
>>48277966
Approximately one hour after it was taken down. Much faster than expected.
>>48277966
Good. Now that that's taken care of, someone get Forrest to come back.
>>48277966
>Make one fairly minor bad call
>Quit over it
Why? She was doing fairly good other than this, and the shitposters were going harder than they have for months.
>>48277454
It's a "bookkeeping and getting ready for the next arc" episode this Sunday, and that's fine with me. Gonna be fun to try to figure out exactly how to get all my crafting done, or even what items would be worth crafting. I'm looking forward to it, even if we're not going to make much IC progress.We also tend to start shortly after Re:Zero subs drop, so I'll be fresh off that ride.
>>48277454
Game's been cancelled for the next two weeks while the GM is away on business and the rest of the group discusses changing the session times after we had some schedule issues. My Iron Gods campaign is set to start this weekend, though, so I'm pretty hyped for that.
>>48278095
Nah, all the stance gives you is attacks of opportunity specifically with ranged attacks when - specifically - an ally within 60ft is hit by an attack.
An excellent ability, mind, just, not threat.
What's the best undead to become for an agent of the grave.
>>48278213
Lich
>>48278224
Lich is really difficult to become, and to my knowledge, has no statted way to accomplish it.
>>48278242
There's a written ritual for it. Can't remember where though.
>>48278242
>>48278256
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/occult-adventures/occult-rules/occult-rituals#TOC-Eternal-Apotheosis
>>48278242
There is an occult ritual for it.
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/occult-adventures/occult-rules/occult-rituals#TOC-Eternal-Apotheosis
>>48278016
She'll be taking some time away from the thread. At least until she's had a proper night's sleep. Don't worry, you won't be going bookless. QANON may be down for the count but just regular ordinary anon has a couple tricks up his sleeves:
>>48278023
It's true, I lost the "give it a day" bet by more than an order of magnitude. As penance, I've pried Gonzo I and II from her. Gonzo II is too big to be an attachment.
http://www92.zippyshare.com/v/pZS53ZlT/file.html
She's not SURE they're clean, since she usually sends everything to VH after to be sure, but since any info they would have on them is mine, well, who gives a shit?
>>48278062
She's just never been very happy with her work on the trove. She's still missing Paizo books and she's constantly like a month behind on 3pp. It's not that she wants to quit, it's that if someone else could do it better, she'd be glad of it.
>>48277454
Will probably have to cancel, because I only have three players and one won't be able to make it.
Is it just me or is a familiar with a wand of obscuring mist really powerful? So much depends on sight... Especially things that target will saves.
>>48278468
Need a fourth?
>>48278491
Obscuring Mist in general is a great thing to have on a wand for when you need it.
Helps with getaways, helps with bottlenecks. It's a good, cheap battlefield control spell.
Oddly specific question, if I'm doing Warlord with Scarlet Throne, would you say its better to use a one handed weapon with no shield, or a two handed weapon?
>>48278618
That depends on the maneuvers you pick. And if you take Scarlet Throne Style or not.
>trying decide what to do for a hex-using stregone archetype to make it actually flavorful
>debate making it all themed around the prehensile hair hex/white-haired witched, since people seem to like those anyway
>realize that if I do that, I'd be obligated to call it's primary featureWar Locks
Homebrewing is one hell of a drug
>>48278631
I want to make it my main style, or at least that's the purpose of the character, and dipping into Lion and Primal occasionally. What would say is the biggest difference between the maneuvers available?
>>48278497
Well, in theory there's room, but I'm... pretty hesitant about recruiting from /tg/, to be honest. Also, we're not playing Pathfinder. How do you feel about tanks?
>>48278678
>>48278685
Don't worry, it was a joke anyway.
Tanks are pretty cool but I don't have any super strong opinion on them.
>>48277556
Well fuck never mind then. Aside from game rebuilding, GM has been having it rough from work, so his wife is calling a date to get out and decompress.
Oh well, I guess. Some things still need to be tied up anyway.
>>48278678
NotDread Locks?
>>48276743
>Dragon skeleton waaay obsolete
>Attached as fuck to him
>If I destroy him I get to have an extra rune giant bloody skeleton
>I cant
If only you can release a skeleton for a while then take them back to your HD pool instead of just putting them in your control undead pool.
>>48277024
Lol as if other pirate sites dont exist.
Fuck you and fuck DSP if you think you have any pull on the community.
It seems like combat oriented gishes like the Magus, Warpriest, and Psychic Warrior, clash with, or have a hard time keeping up with initiators.
Any tips for remedying this? Most of my experience with this is at low-ish levels if that matters at all.
>>48278836
DSP isn't related to QANON, nor did they seem to think they have any pull here?
>>48278805
Maybe ask your DM if you can upgrade him through fiat?
>>48278836
>thinking QANON is DSP
wew lad lurk moar
>>48276743
anybody got some good music for playing in the underdark/sea?
>>48278858
Its quite apparent that qanon thinks he has a degree of control over pfg and has the power to protect dsp by withholding a mega page.
>>48278836
>Being this late
>>48278886
>telling people to stop harassing 2hu is protecting DSP
You know 2hu isn't DSP either, right?
>>48278886
>he
>Thinking DSP gives literally any shits about us pirating their material
W
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>>48278886
There was no protecting DSP though. Nobody really cared about DSP there. It was a complaint about people wanting to witchhunt 2hufag.
>>48278886
>he
At least TRY to be subtle
>>48278836
> Implying I think I have the slightest bit of control over anon
I'm fat, not stupid.
>>48276743
I like crypt spawn, and also baelnorns.
Undead without dnd alignment bs attached
>>48278912
>Implying the trove is solely for pirating DSP material
>>48276955
What if we don't want Forrest back?
Instantaneous spells cannot be made continuous, correct?
>>48278836
Dude, this was resolved like, more than an hour ago. QANON, a girl, overreacted (big shock) to anon hurting her friends. Are you just getting off work and not bothering to read the whole thread, or some stupid shit?
>>48278971
I want Forrest back, she's a hell of a lot nicer than Gareth or Elric or Sslarn.
>>48278971
Then be glad.
>>48278844
It's unfortunately true. Magus/Inquisitors can not compete with the better initiators (zealots particularly).
>>48279002
>fuck DSP if they think they can control us!
>"We don't think that at all, anon."
>...WELL, FUCK DSP ANYWAY!
Ahaha you're not even a good shitposter, you're just saying the tritest, most contrary shit.
>>48279002
Don't children have homework over the summer or something?
On an unrelated topic, are there any good, fun Oracle Mysteries besides Lunar?
>>48278989
You wound me.Not like I can deny it though.
>>48279002
Now what did I ever do to you, anon? You seem a bit excessively upset.
Taking an interest in playing a necromancer for an evil campaign. Are the only good options cleric or oracle, or can non-divine classes be as competent?
>>48277248
Do you guys use clover?
Clover works way better than a mobile browser.
>>48279050
Ignore them, Gareth. The dramaposters smelled blood in the water, and they're circling.
>>48279042
Loracle is my favorite, personally.
>>48279063
I dont like overspecializing desu. The only time I'd go divine for necro is if I went juju oracle. Most other times, a wizard is much better with some low maintenance bloody skeletons combined with their excellent control spells.
>>48279063
The Necroccultist Occultist archetype might be good for this.
>>48278989
Gareth has always seemed chill imo.
I'm not here too often though, and had actually never heard of Forrest before today.
>>48278685
they make okay waifus
>>48279042
Lore and Nature are pretty cool and also give the Cha-to-AC revelations. Life could be pretty fun. A Dual-Cursed, Warsighted Battle Oracle could be fun to have if you wanted to fuck shit up.
>>48278989
Agreed. Forrest was best.
>>48279083
Mostly interested in an undead lieutenant or two, rather than having a legion of skeletons/zombies, but if wizard can manage it I'll have a look.
>>48279084
Sounds neat, will take a look
>>48278355
I'm posting from my phone, and can't pull up the PDFs.
What are these "gonzo" books?
>>48279161
Lunatic bullshit in the best way. Rules for anime mechas, kamen rider/power rangers, faerie princesses, rock stars..
>>48279161
They're 3pp books full of less serious classes and alternate options, like kamen riders and battle butlers and magical girls and moneymancers and a witch archetype who yells at people instead of casting hexes.
>>48279018
That's a shame.
>>48279161
They're books about breaking away from the whole Standard Fantasy Setting thing.
Like for instance, Gonzo 2 has the Henshin Hero, based off tokusatsu heroes, the phantom-renegade-esque Phantom Thief, Battle Butlers, and the fabulous funky Dynamancers.
1 is less expansive/awesome than 2, but still alright.
>>48279161
Big books of classes, archetypes, feats, enchantments, and other resources for people who absolutely do not give a flying fuck.
>>48279156
You dont want intelligent undead specially ones that you've created yourself. Never ever give sapience to beings who have an uncontrollable hatred for all life.
You may form a bond with a specific undead minion to consider giving him a mind of his own but it is never wise to anthropomorphize them to the point of letting your guard down.
The best thing to do is maybe get a cohort that can also control undead but even that isnt safe.
Anyway, you want maybe two to three undead minions worth tops since quality will always trump quantity in this game.
>>48279185
>>48279196
Oh, weird. I'll have to look at those
>>48279211
Apropos of nothing, this one is my favorite description.
>>48279196
It's not just yelling at people, it's being the ultimate catty bitch.
How long would it take a single man with no proper tools to build a sea-worthy boat while living by himself in a forest?
Also, is any form of sea-worthy boat going to be small enough to ride down a (large) river to reach the sea in the first place?
Help me, /pfg/.
>>48278982
What, you mean with the spell Permanency? Permanency works on the spells it specifically mentions working on and nothing else.
If you're the DM and you want a permanent fireball or whatever to be blocking some path, just do it. It's magic, you ain't gotta explain shit.
>>48279256
Is he magic or no?
>>48279319
At the moment, he's unstatted, but probably not. If he was, he couldn't be especially high level when this was happening. Probably like... level 5, tops.
This is for some backstory stuff, not a PC. Ideally, I need this guy to have been occupied for about 4 years before he got killed off with his task almost complete. I have no idea if that's actually sensible though. I don't know the first thing about boats, like if something made for sailing several miles across the sea could also be sailed down a river to reach the sea in the first place.
>>48279397
If you're the DM it really shouldnt matter and the nigger can build a boat in a week or whatever.
>>48279397
It could easily have taken exactly as long as it needed to.
You could get a seaworthy boat down a river and into the ocean, but it would have to be relatively small, which would mean it couldn't go far or carry many supplies.
>>48279256
>Check d20 for price of boat
>Review craft skill page for forumla
>Deduct -2 if he lacks tools, +0 if he has regular tools and +2 if he has masterwork tools
>>48279478
Since he is (or was) only intending to sail himself to a nearby island, that's still fine.
>>48279273
It's for one of my players; I had asked a few threads ago about a cleric mass harvesting souls. What he claims to have done is put continuous create soul gem on a lantern so he can vacuum long-dead souls out of graveyards, using the lantern to hold hundreds of them so they can be sold or used as crafting mats.
I want to be sure he's out and out doing impossible things because he looks for every loophole and obscure fluff justification and I'm tired of arguing with him.
>>48278805
I had a similar problem when I had to get rid of my vampire spawn, but one of them was a former friend of mine who turned on me and tried to kill me because she said her friend was dead and I was just a monster who looked like him.
I almost felt something. Almost.Sent them out into the sun. I miss my owlbear vampires.
>>48279256
Sure, there are lots of flatish-bottom boats that are sea-worthy.
How big you need it to be really depends on how many people you need to transport/how many supplies you'll need.
>>48279553
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/c/create-soul-gem
Do you know what contious means? It means that the duration never stops. Create Soul Gem doesn't have a duration. It's Instantaneous. It also requires at least 25g per casting, and he'd have needed to run even creating an item like this by you in the first place, because it doesn't exist.
>>48279553
That's completely ridiculous.
1) Create soul gem only works on something that's died in the last round.
2) Custom magic items are strictly by GM permission only and a continuous item of create soul gem is something that you clearly don't want in your campaign.
>>48279583
He was just going to transport himself, but he was killed by a group that wanted to hijack his operation and travel themselves. That group is large enough that it probably wouldn't have all fit on one boat, let alone with their "cargo" (caged monsters), but I suppose they could have been making multiple boats to spread the load out.
I haven't specified to my players the size of this river yet, or the boat(s). How large of a vessel could be sent down the river if it was, say... about 200 feet wide and 6 feet deep? Those are just arbitrary-chosen numbers, but I know rivers can get plenty bigger than that.
>>48278982
No.
These things are fundamentally opposed. Instantaneous is without duration, continuous is unending.
Cure light wounds is instantaneous because it happens and then it is done. These spells don't have a way of telling what would happen if continuous because they were not designed with a duration. Would you just infinitely heal? Only once a round? On the beginning of your turn? There is no mechanism for that because it would be dumb.
>>48279515
>>48279256
Eh fuckit I'll do it for you.
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/equipment---final/vehicles
>Rowboat 50gp
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/skills/craft
>500 sp
>1/3 price for raw material cost - you can use downtime rules if you want something specific but you can probably assume he spends like 2 days max chopping down some trees or some shit, the important part is how long it would take
>Even niggers can make boats so we can assume this is going to be either very simple (DC 5) or Typical (DC 10) depending on how generous you are. And obviously he'll want to fucking speed it up because hey, its a piece of shit island, not like he has anything better to do so we up the DC by another +10 for a total DC of 15~20
>Lets assume your PC takes 10 so its going to be: Skill mod + 10 x 15 (DC of the item) = price of the boat in SP then you complete the item. If he exceeds the DC by double or triple the price then he does it at half or a third of the time. If not then you can deduct the result to the price of the boat and that counts as a weeks work.
>If he cant finish it in a week then fucking divide 500 by his result and thats how many weeks it takes to finish.
>>48279553
Create Soul Gem's a shit anyway. What you want is a Talisman of Soul-Eating.
Secondly, the souls aren't IN the graveyard anymore, they're off in whatever afterlife, not hanging around in the dirt.
>>48279693
Based on that, it's something that should only take him between 2 and 3 weeks to finish. So, yeah, even if you account for him having shit tools it's not the sort of project that should take anywhere near 4 years, or even a single year.
I'll have to rethink some things about this backstory. Thanks, though.
So /pfg/ since we're getting close to subscriber PDFs being sent out for the early August books and Shareanon was caught by the gestapo, do we have any other subscribers in our midst that are willing to share some pages from the new books? I'll be sharing some pages from Hell's Vengeance 6 (or the AP if there's nothing interesting in the back), but I don't have a core or companion subscription.
Also just so people don't start begging now, I'm assuming the books are going to get sent out on the 21st of this month since they typically go out 2 weeks before the release date.
>>48279684
That's pretty wide for such a shallow river.
Keep in mind that rivers tend to spread outwards over time, as they erode the land on either side. As a result, the centre is fairly deep comparatively, because it is the oldest and has been eroding the ground in that spot the longest.
You likely wouldn't be building a ship, but you'd want to be careful about sudden rocks or shallow bits, making mistakes or turning.
Most people wouldn't actually build their final ship on the river. They'd make a canoe or raft and take that down to the sea just incase...you know, rocks or waterfalls or stuff. Create a stockpile of food, even if you need to make trips, and then build on the sea, where you'll be spending most of your time.
A fair amount of that space in the boat will be taken up by fresh water, as you can't drink the seawater. Building containers for this can...be tricky.
How much water you need will also depend on how hot or exerting you are. You'll want a rowboat, modified for a sail, because you won't want to row on the seas for obvious reasons, maybe with some pontoons filled with supplies.
>>48279752
Maybe it took him some time to minecraft his way up to having even shit tools, maybe he was just a really shitty boat builder, maybe he's super paranoid about this boat being just right because he's made others that have failed in the past...
You can almost always justify something taking more time. It's less time that's the tricky part.
>>48279752
Why the fuck would it take years to build a rowboat? Its literally a hollowed out log with some sticks as oars.
If you want to make the effort take a while then assume its the part where he gathers supplies for his journey and maybe even building tools for his boat.
Friendly reminder that having a waifu who isn't a human or an elf is degeneracy.
>>48279771
Useful information, thanks. I tossed out those numbers based on a very quick Google check I did about the size of the Missouri River (which I know to be a big river) but a more thorough search is telling me those figures are probably totally incorrect. In any case, like I said, they were just arbitrary numbers because I wanted an idea of how big a boat could reasonably be taken down a river of a given size.
>>48279778
Yeah, I'm not too worried about having to fix this problem. If nothing else, I can just say he didn't actually start on the boat immediately, but only came up with the idea for it later. Or... Whatever. It shouldn't be hard to think of something.
>>48279795
Yeah, I already figured getting the supplies together would take him a long time. I had in mind that he'd make something a bit bigger than just a rowboat, because he'd need to use it out at sea, but it was a good point from >>48279771
that the more believable thing to do would be to just make a canoe and ride it down to the coast before building whatever bigger boat you might want there. I think that's the thing that's going to force me to do the most reworking of this backstory. Honestly, I'm not sure why that didn't occur to me, but I guess it's because these were all the very vaguest of details in my head at first, before I started trying to flesh them out a bit more.
>>48277091
I'm in a pirates game based heavily on S&S (with several alterations, or so the GM says).
We're on the island you get for winning the regatta, and with three players it's been pretty slow going clearing out all the shit that place has, on top of the fact that it was changed to be as painful and difficult as possible for a /different/ player (who would've been soloing the thing...).
Anyways, I had set up the clever plan to keep the cyclopes off our backs while we dealt with the flying chickens and flying fiend things. Two sessions later, the cyclopes were getting uppity so my group turns to me and I go, "Fuck it, let's go Manifest Destiny on these savages."
Long story short, ballistae and catapults make wonderful anti-cyclops weapons, not just in damage but in range. They were slaughtered in two rounds from 20 ballistae, 2 catapults, and my asshole of a slayer in the crow's nest arching away.
>>48279859
>elf waifu
>not degeneracy
You're not wrong.It's heresy
>>48277666
>Lewdos
My knigga
>>48276743
Hey /pfg/. I am in need of reasonable arguments for and against reforming the creature types mechanic. Does it need reform? Why and how?
>>48280070
I've never actually seen RoLW. Is it good?
>>48280090
The only one that really needs a change is Aberrations. Besides that shit is fine.
How do I make an edgy druid?
Ok so I just got polymorph any object and now comes the time to offer to upgrade my other PC's physical forms.
I'm mainly interested in improving our barbarian's performance so I'm thinking maybe offer to turn her into a tikbalang because no pounce and no ranged options.
Are there any other better things I can turn her into ?
>>48276743
hey /pfg/ i need decent (and somewhat useful) character builds for a game ive been invited to.
my first thought was muscle wizard.
my second was Hunter S. Thompson...
help me /pfg/ i need ammo.
>>48280092
Original ova have a not so good story, but visually is a masterpiece
>In terms of monsters, we have a template for dread lords who rule evil domains, three hive creatures to go with the hive corruption, the Jason-like implacable stalker template (Vorhees, not Bulmahn) that can appear behind you and resurrect itself in your nightmares
Come on Mark, I think Jason Bulmahn is plenty scary.
>>48280154
>Muscle wizard
King meme over here.
>>48280090
The types ultimately do nothing but add additional rules that can be easily forgotten or overlooked. Such things would be better off on the monster statblock.
4e's take is much better. It greatly simplifies it down to four types and several origins. I would use that as a starting point if you want to revise the rules from scratch.
>>48280160
He stalks the nonmagical to steal their class features.
>>48280154
Tell us more. What level? What's the deal with stats? What classes are allowed? 3pp? Any other characters you know of?
Might as well have said "Help me /pfg/, how I Pathfinder?"
>>48280134
run around with a pack of wolves and play rules of nature in the background constantly.
>>48277654
>vaguely uncomfortable by proxy
That's gonna come down to your ability to describe things, especially when it's something potentially hammy.
You can describe a trapdoor like it's Scooby Doo or Dark Souls.
>>48280186
no third party, level 3, i have not been told anything has been taken off the table other than "dont be an asshat", Current stats are Int18 Wis16 Cha13 Dex9 Con14 Str10
>>48280192
Using rules of nature is a good idea, but I still can't justify black robes on a fucking magic hippie
>>48280223
Yeah, that's seems entirely true. Is there perhaps some recommended reading that might help me get into the feel of "just right"? Either actual scary stories or articles of GMly advice.
>>48280134
Do your basic "civilization is bad, nature will reclaim what is hers" thing.
>>48280257
If those stats are fixed you're playing an INT based caster. Your str and dex are too low to play a frontliner, and while 18 int would help with a skill monkey, your dex is too low for the skill monkey classes.
So yeah. Just look up a wizard guide and play a 3rd level wizard. Not a meme wizard or a niche wizard, just a decent wizard who casts support and battlefield control spells and color spray.
Slightly off-topic but
How would you fix the setting of Golarion? How would you make Golarion great again?
>>48280309
But its not edgy at all!
>>48277454
I'm gonna be on a 16-hour drive probably Saturday, and hopefully have enough energy to still play in my Saturday game (since it's finally getting somewhere after the players [including myself] idled almost two sessions in one tavern).
Unfortunately, it also means my Sunday games won't be happening as per usual, but that just gives me more time to plan, build, prep, and test enemy encounters.
>>48280585
Logical use of the amount of magic in setting. For the amount of casters knocking about no one actually makes use of them.
>>48280585
>How would you make Golarian great again?
>implying it was ever great to begin with
>>48280585
ARODEN
>>48280585
Get rid of a bunch of the silly countries that are only there to fulfill the kitchen sink fantasy setting and make the game about a small handful of powerful nations and the intrigue that lies within.
>>48280585
Well, it would probably involve reworking some of the internal structures to be more consistent. There don't seem to be a lot of towns and villages, and that whole "women have 0-2 kids" thing probably isn't gonna work out. I dunno, I suck at world building.
>>48280309
>>48280192
What if I do the "natural selection" thing?
What's more edgy as animal companion?
is a spider good?
>>48280609
This. The setting is too damn dense with concepts. Even just in the Inner Sea.
>>48280710
I'd go with dire bat personally
>>48280609
Exactly. Cut it down to Chelix, Taldor, Qadira, Osirion, Mwangi Expanse and LotLK. Maybe keep Varisia, Andoran and the Shackles around if you need some minor actors working between the big boys.
>>48280736
Its less useful though.
>>48280832
Just call it Zubat.
>>48280832
Edgy cares not for utility. Edgy only cares for being so goth it shits bats.
>>48280876
I'll call it Remilia
>>48280900I fucking love bats
>>48280599
You mean Tippyverse?
>>48281140
Nothing that extreme would be necessary, but I do agree with >>48280599 that there is an extreme lack of actual implementation of magic users in the setting.
It's almost like the writers didn't know how to structure the development of a society or something.
>>48280982Who doesn't fucking love bats.Bats are amazing.
>>48280090
The only reason naga are aberrations is because they get more skill ranks than magical beasts. The only reason why an owlbear is a magical beast is because it never existed on Earth. Do I have to explain why that's bad game design? Types should have clear unambiguous definitions to avoid those situations.
>>48281360
What other category could those two examples fall under?
You're all goddamn fucks and you all complain about Paizo posters, at least they don't stoop to shitstain levels.
>>48281439
>Generalizing this hard.
Point on the doll where anon touched you.
>>48281414
Not that anon, but Monstrous Humanoid and Animal, respectively.
And now I take the opportunity to try and sell you all on my homebrew that adds magical beasts as animal companion options, because why the fuck can't we do that already? We can influence them with Handle Animal and everything.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1EccqnBPWI-JcduFcz1EryuGxkrMY_jbrpSgZz2ZEVCU/edit
How would one go about writing a non-evil Necrocracy without taking inspiration from Golarion? I don't want my setting to have any real connection to that awful place.
I know this isn't the right thread, but it's close enough. Does anyone have a megaupload of all the 3.5e books?
>>48281476
Aww, no chupacabra?
>>48281571
can you not torrent?
