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>>48264799
>This hits extremely close to home
What's wrong, Ryker?
>Why do some of the Primarchs look older than the Emperor?
Because the Emperor has lived a very healthy lifestyle.
>>48264837
Anon, please don't. Hot Pockets has probably become tired of visiting us.
>>48264837
Meanwhile lefties are free to batter over a hundred police officers into the hospital because somebody did something they didn't like. But don't go saying something that might hurt their feelings now.
Any guesses on what the special units for legions that don't already have them will be? I'm guessing:
>WS
Keshig, most likely a special jetbike unit as well
>DA
Calibanite knights, whether termie armoured or on bikes
>BA
Sanguinary guards, maybe sanguinary priests?
>SW
Some kind of melee oriented moritat-type consul, probably units like grey hunters and wolf scouts
>TS
Scarab occult terminators, psychic praetors
>>48264861
Sorry, plz don't hurt me Hot Pockets, I don't mean to offend!
Also, anyone know of any recommended channels/podcasts/etc. for 30k stuff? Painting, reviews, etc.
>>48264846
Reposting here.
It's just those guys look damn old
>>48264486 #
>>48262808 #
Why do they look soooooo old? All Primarchs are the same age, and not even Angron looks so fucked up, maybe Mortarion and Perturabo, I guess. I know it's not fair to compare them to Sanguinius, but they're the same age, and the only person that looks older than Dorn's wrinkled face is goddamed Malcador, and turns out he has a mane too.
It is funny how the Emperor looks younger than his children
Stop shitting up this thread with unrelated politics
>>48264901
>Why do they look soooooo old?
>200 years of nothing but warfare
I wonder why.
>>48264898
I hear the Eye of Horus podcast is good.
>>48264894
I remember one thread mentioned that the 1K Sons will be getting some beep boops to act like a foil to the Rubric Marines.
>>48264901
Dorn was probably in his 40s when Emps found him and should have a mustache. Just saying. Alpharius shouldn't look that old. He's the youngest out of the bunch.
>>48264879
im sure the eight could straighten those cucks out pretty quickly.
>>48264949
Horus, Leman, and Frank look fine despite being the early Primarchs in the Crusade. And 200 years only applies to those three and the other early found Primarchs. Rocha probably didn't fight in the Crusade probably 100 years or so.
>>48264949
>Primarch geneseed
Marines are merely long lived, centuries of battle and they look 48 or so. But aren't Primarchs truly biologically immortal?
Not that we could tell, everything fucked up in less than 2 centuries
>>48264966
They even have hepatic spots
>>48264894
Oh and as a follow up question, what special characters (not including primarchs) is everyone hoping to see?
>WS
yesugei, the rest are fucking jobbers and this comes from a WS player
>DA
Luther, zahariel, that one dreadwing guy with the fuck off axe whose name I cant remember
>BA
Raldoron, Amit
>SW
Bjorn, Fith Godsmote, Skarssen Skarssenson
>TS
Ahriman, Hathor Maat (did he die? I can't remember), Amon
>>48265014
I think the 'hepatic spots' are blood splatters
>>48264966
Aren't the psychic robos the 1ksons are getting going to be their own army in the form of the arkhadine mechanicum?
>>48265014
>Marines are merely long lived, centuries of battle and they look 48 or so. But aren't Primarchs truly biologically immortal?
Marines are also biologically immortal, but their papas are more immortal than them.
>>48265017
>did he die? I can't remember
Doesn't really matter, so long as the character saw the heresy, seeing as I believe two of the IW's characters are dead.
>>48265053
I can't remember. Point is psychic beeps and boops.
>>48265093
>perturabo finally shuts up the beep boops
>all of a sudden they're in his head with him
>>48265059
That's not true. In Angel Exterminatus Fabius Bile found out that marines are actually just long lived and theorised that space marines would eventually degenerate like the Thunder Warriors after a long while. This theory was disproved as in the 41st millennia we have space marines sometimes soooooometimes dying of old age.
This isn't new fluff just confirmation. That's why there's always been the fluff about Blood Angels living longer than your average space marine as a quirk of the gene seed.
>>48265125
Explain the salamander who lived until 40k then
>>48265125
It's also why they have the bishonen trope. Their quirky gene seed imparts long life and youthful visage (barring weird boy psychic vomit of course).
>>48265125
>tfw reading Angel Exterminatus
>Fabulous Bill almost gets killed three times so far
>he lives each time
>mfw
>>48265136
I've never heard of him. Where's that?
>>48265145
The BA have a similar trope. Remember Dante
>>48264898
The Eye of Horus is great, albeit crazy. Some favorite episodes of mine: 22, 43, 52-55... so hard to choose.
Age of Darkness if you're really into the fluff - they focus on the novels.
>>48264894
I hope we get units that aren't right out of 40k. It'll be hard, especially for loyalist legions whose successors have their own codex and special units in 40k, but we don't need new, resin Sanguinary Guards (for example). The plastic ones are great. But there aren't any plastic Terminators with nipple plate yet! Tartaros please.
If it's true that "there are no wolves on Fenris" (i.e. the wolves on Fenris are actually space marines who've gone beyond wulfen to full wolf), then this soon after the Great Crusade there shouldn't be enough wolves to pull chariots. They'll have to get reindeer to pull them.
I'd like to see something like a hunting falcon for WS, as a familiar. Keshig of course, and the obligatory special bike or speeder type. Land Speeder mini-transport? GET TO THE CHOPPA.
Or maybe DA get the jetbike, styled like the one that 40k special character had, with the BFG-like prow.
TS should get golems of some sort.
>>48265164
The Blood Angels are who I was talking about
>>48265157
Glad to see I'm not the only one who got pissed off about that.
>>48265113
Such is life for Perturabo. The universe is big on shafting him.
>>48265159
Never personally read it, only seen it posted on /tg/ before
Apparently a Salamander got his armour all melted during the Heresy and it sealed him shut so he couldn't move. Eventually an inquisitor and his retinue find him still alive in 40k having put himself into the space marine coma thing, but when they wake him up he's all atrophied from not moving for 10,000 years and thoroughly insane, so they mercy kill him.
Honestly this is one of those parts of the lore I'd happily ignore if it turned out to be real, I prefer my space marines non-immortal.
>>48265249
Might have been put in stasis? I don't think it counts, I'm with you about mortal marines.
>>48265184
>Glad to see I'm not the only one who got pissed off about that.
Aye. Though, I'll say that I feel sorry for the poor IF who were given to Bill. Poor lads.
Though, so far Kroeger is my favorite character, had he a model and rules I'd totally use him. Only just started Book 3, but I have to say that I'm really enjoying it.
>>48265184
Woops, traveling fucks me up, srry man.
>>48265040
That would make more sense; the Malcador-pattern wrinkles had me fooled
>>48265249
Whaaaaaaat. So Lovecraftian, like "Troughout the aeons".
>>48265249
I can't imagine the coma thing being so efficient that you don't need any nutrition at all. That's just sloppy writing.
But with an IV or something, I could see it working. It's very different from actually being alive for that long.
>>48265273
I really liked the way they portrayed Pert. I think he had more characterisation than the mortal characters which is hard to do for such an unwritable character like a primarch
So what HH novels are worth reading? I read Deliverance Lost and First Heretic, loved both. A while back I read whichever one has the fall of the EC. But then I tried reading Legion and it was meh.
So any good books particularly for the traitor legions?
>>48265363
I'm liking how they portray him as well, especially the fact that he and his legion gets fed-up with Fabulous Bill and Fulgrim. Pert being friends with Magnus, liking Da Vinci's writings and such, it's just great man.
Honestly, out of all the traitor legions that I feel could have remained loyal, it'd be the IW, and that just makes them even cooler in my books, y'know?
>>48265345
I believe Kyme wrote it.
>>48265402
Angel Exterminatis for sure.
Some highlights:
>Fulgrim gets shot
>Fulgrim gets punched
>Fabulous Bill gets beaten up repeatedly
>Perturabo is surprisingly well written
>The Iron Warriors have an FLGS and play 30k
>>48265437
Angel exterminatus is shit, the RG scout in it is too "OC donut steel"-tier
>>48265402
In order of quality in my opinion
>Fear to Tread
>Angel Exterminatus
>Betrayer
>Unremembered Empire
>Fulgrim
Betrayer and Exterminatus are tied. Those are all the books I've read and I didn't dislike any of them. I would give them all passing grades. It's hard to write such transhuman characters like Primarchs, and anything that changes pre existing fluff or fleshes it out in a way that goes against people's schemas will be spat on, but honesty I thought they were good devices to bring you into the universe of 30k.
No doubt there's some stupid shit in there though.
>>48265402
Scars is good, and its sequel The Path of Heaven.
For the traitors, Betrayer's not bad, and the initial trilogy is worth reading too (Horus Rising, False Gods, Galaxy in Flames).
>>48265412
>Dorn AND Pert forced to work together by Emps to fortify the palace
>grind against each other so much they smooth each other out and actually become friends
>good luck getting in Horus
>>48264901
I wouldn't respect any if the primarchs if they looked like baby faced 20 somethings
>>48265059
They just weren't around long enough to feel the affects of old age in the great crusade.
>>48264898
Eye of Horus is God tier.
Age of Darkness... meh. The host is a total douche. The CO host isn't too bad though
>>48265709
Pert & Dorn sitcom when?
>>48265679
> Scars is GREAT
Ftfy
>>48265136
He was intergrated into a space ship
>>48264894
>BA
In some of the scraps of lore that FW has presented us with in Book VI they mention something called the "Lamentii Guard," as an honour detail for the purpose of defending worlds on where the legion had spilled it's blood.
I like the sound of this cos it's something we haven't heard about thre Blood Angels before. Maybe as the flip side of the coin compared to Sanguinary Guard they're a heavily armoured terminator unit akin to Justaerin or Deathshroud? That's just wish listing though cos BA are the jump pack legion but having some variety is nice. We already know we're gonna get the Sanguinary Guard from 40k so I hope for something different.
>>48266510
Defensive BA? Sounds like a jump pack unit with a shield and bolter, JUMP PACK BREACHERS!
>>48266510
>Lamentii Guard
>>48266756
As much as id like a Lamenters forebearers they weren't founded until the 23 founding so unlikely
>For those we cherish we die in glory
>>48266774
Neither were the Minotaurs yet the Iron Warriors stuff is full of nods to them.
>>48266825
I know they both have Greek culture but I didn't see any nods.
What it could be is the minotaurs were descended from a loyalist grand battalion which would make more sense than the lamenters having a delayed founding.
>>48266863
I thought Minotaurs were from WE geneseed.
>>48266863
They both have greek symbols, are both described as paranoid siege specialists and the Minotaur chapter tactics are the same as the IW legion specal rules.
One of the playtesters and co-writers of the HH books actually came out on Facebook and outright stated that the Minotaurs are IW loyalist survivors.
>>48266943
there are no loyalist WE in 40k
>>48266825
also silver skulls pretty obviously will end up being kyr valens guys
>>48266975
>also silver skulls pretty obviously will end up being kyr valens guys
I thought they were named after Barabas Dantioch, their chapter symbol is literally an iron mask.
>>48267002
didnt he die though? if he didnt die then yeah they are probably his boys.
they are definately going to tie the silver skulls in somewhere, considering theyve been around since rogue trader
There's two different Minotaurs. Does the name Pentarchy of Blood ring any bells? The yellow candy stripe Minotaurs are Cursed Founding, while the IA Minotaurs are the IW loyalists.
>>48265709
That's probably how it would have turned out sadly. If there had been less animosity in Perturabo they probably would have balanced each other out. See Fulgrim and Ferrus Manus.
>>48267040
He did die.
The theory is that the men that served under him got renamed Silver Skulls in his honour during the 2nd founding.
>>48267053
This, they are described as being two very different chapters.
There are several different chapters with the word Minotaurs in their name like the Brazen Minotaurs and White Minotaurs, not that strange that two of them should have the same chapter name.
>>48267100
Marine Chapter names can get pretty stupid. Like pic related, or the Deathwatch chapter generator where you can get a chapter named Death Death. Still probably not as bad as that one chapter named The Nameless, or the WE warband Gladiator Group 138. Don't these names strike fear into your heart?
>>48267151
The traitor legions have names like Alpha Legion, Emperor's Children and Thousand Sons.
Meanwhile we have loyal chapters like the Flesh Tearers, Blood Drinkers and the Doom Legion.
>>48267204
It's because loyalists aren't edg(ier)y than traitors.
hey does anyone know what book the rest of the generic rites of war are in?
>>48267847
book 6
>>48267204
>two of those chapters are blood Angels successors
>feels bad
>>48266955
>One of the playtesters and co-writers of the HH books actually came out on Facebook and outright stated that the Minotaurs are IW loyalist survivors.
Source?
>>48267869
thanks
>>48266955
>One of the playtesters and co-writers of the HH books actually came out on Facebook and outright stated that the Minotaurs are IW loyalist survivors.
It was IW geneseed, Minotaurs cant be loyalist IW as they were made in the cursed founding, millenia after the heresy.
>>48267053
Mate, the IA Minotaurs are the cursed founding ones. Shoot, the IA chapters are just recolored and refluffed ones that already existed.
>>48266955
Now if only they'd put it into the actual setting, I'd actually give a shit.
>>48268041
>>48267986
Is this Legit?
Could I found a loyalist Ironwarrior warband?
>>48267888
Speaking of BA successors.
Do we think Sanguinius would have supported splitting the legions? If he had survived and the Emperor still hadn't do we think they would have tried to me him Emperor again? If they tried would he have accepted the position?
>>48268174
I think he could have gone either way, or he probably could have went for a third option. As for that last thing Papa Sang probably wouldn't want to be the new Emperor, but a council consisting of the remaining loyalist Primarchs? That would be something he could be interested in.
>>48267986
>>48268041
But that's wrong though. Autek's crew along with some other misfits were tasked to destroy 11 chapters in M33, and guess who's there. If you guess Minotaurs get yourself a popsicle or a cookie.
>>48268371
You sure they're the same Minotaurs? IA vol. 10 places the Minotaurs we know as part of the 21st founding, but even it says that they're not the only chapter to have used that name.
>>48268484
Well I don't know of any other Greek marines who could be loyalists from a legion of Greek marines.
>>48268371
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Minotaurs
>Original Minotaurs founding: M36
>Current Minotaurs founding: Cursed Founding, M38
Now there IS a mention of Minotaurs in M32 but that can only be the original Minotaurs or some other chapter by the same name, the current Minotaurs are firmly part of the cursed founding as even their geneseed is 'chimeric' hinting that it has been tampered with and is probably the only real success of the Mechanicus playing with sperm.
Its this Minotaurs that someone from FW said had IW geneseed, but that doesnt make them loyalist IW.
>>48268579
would the IronWarrior geneseed having excellent implantation success support the likelyhood of it being their geneseed? Especially since toying with the geneseed harbors so many risks.
>>48268579
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Solar_Rebellion
>Includes Minotaurs
So these Minotaurs aren't the IA ones? Also that article said World Eaters started up cults. That's rather un-World Eater like. Chapters shouldn't be allowed to have the same name so that confusion can be avoided. I know Imperial record keeping isn't great in the post-Heresy Imperium and my idea wouldn't work too well but hear me out. Every 100 years just send a delegation made a few marines from every loyalist chapter to some hotel planet, and have them mingle about. Everyone knows who's who, and no confusion with the names.
>>48268719
>They let a good chunk of the Imperial Navy die
>They follow every shitty order the High Lords tell them.
>Highly paranoid
>Highly greek
>Replenish casualties damn fast
>Chapter tactics are almost the same as the IW LA
Even if they're not related, they're darn similar. Maybe it's simply a recicled theme, that's all
>>48268909
>Every 100 years just send a delegation made a few marines from every loyalist chapter to some hotel planet, and have them mingle about. Everyone knows who's who, and no confusion with the names.
Anon, that would go terribly. Ultramarines would be lecturing everyone on how they fail to uphold the codex Astartes as the sons or dorn lecture the ultramarines on how they fail to uphold the codex. Dark angels would barely be there, spending most of their time away hunting the fallen. Space wolves would disturb everyone with their "fondness" for their beasts. Emperor knows how many interchapter wars would start because of the chpaters with the same name fighting over who is the real chapter, buzz lightyear from toy story 2 style.
And unless you can convince the high lords to spend alot of cash on nails, the blood ravens armory will recive many many """"gifts""""from each chapter they interact with there.
>>48267963
It was some kind of private facebook quote. I'm honestly starting to think it was shopped.
>>48269047
>Ultramarines would be lecturing everyone on how they fail to uphold the codex Astartes as the sons or dorn lecture the ultramarines on how they fail to uphold the codex.
My sides, anon!
The Hammers of Dorn are my favorite 40k chapter.
>>48269095
hammers of dorn, that's the name.
Not sure why I thought it was sons of dorn.
>>48269038
True... Could I run Minotaurs as Blackshields in addition to chapter space marines?
>>48269047
Threaten to take away their pauldrons if they misbehave, and just send Dangles who don't know about the Fallen instead of members of the Inner Circle.
>Emperor knows how many interchapter wars would start because of the chpaters with the same name fighting over who is the real chapter, buzz lightyear from toy story 2 style.
Have them settle it with rock, paper, scissors.
>>48265345
Same thing happens in Pandorax. One of the orginial grey knights was in suspension for 10k years.
>>48269178
>Threaten to take away their pauldrons if they misbehave
Anon, the pauldrons were the first thing the blood ravens took. When they were all playing rock papers scissors, nobody was looking, the blood ravens stole 40 pauldrons. They took fourty pauldrons. That's as many as four times ten. And that's heresy.
>>48265658
Unremembered empire? Really?
Only decent part was alpharius's showing up jihad style
>>48269047
If every chapter sent about 3 marines to named planet they could start 3 new chapters a year
>>48269169
Not unless you want to be a fagget
>>48269264
Kek. In that case just do what traitors did at Bodt. Apothecary convention. Less fighting, and the docmarines can learn from each other. However don't segregate marines hotel rooms by geneseed. Otherwise the Ultras would have the biggest and best lodgings.
>>48269399
Segregate them according to their numbers in reverse order. It's time the Lamenters and Crimson Fists get some good things for once.
>>48269445
The Ultramarines would end up pulling together better loggings than the others through team work and co-ordination anyway
>>48269445
>According to numbers
All 11 Invaders get the best rooms possible.
>>48269445
That's probably the only time they get something nice.
>>48269514
And for once something nice happened to sons of Dorn.
>>48269273
I like Guilliman and I liked curze. It was nice to see maccrage being a nice place to live and Guilliman having a relationship with his mom. The relationship between Polux and dantioch was cool.
>Love Alpha legion paint scheme
>Love SoH paint scheme
>Love SoH models
>Love Word Bearers models
>Love Iron Warriors models
>Really looking forward to Blood Angels and Custodes models
Why cant I just be rich and have 4000 points of every legion
>>48269940
Bro, go Custodes, there is no mistake to be made there. 25ptspm
>>48269169
Go ahead. I run space sharks as RG/Black Shield outlanders.
>>48269940
Just play AL and paint your stolen squads in their original legion colors moron. Then when Custodes comes out you can make a second army that's BA + Custodes to pair with your AL + traitors/stolen units army, and can also steal BA units from time to time.
>>48269973
Could be fluffy no?
>>48269993
>just buy all the armies you listed moron
>>48270060
>playing Alpha Legion with one or two squads from the other legions
>BUYING ARMIES FOR ALL THOSE LEGIONS, ONE SQUAD IS AN ENTIRE FUCKING ARMY
Whatever you say faggot.
>>48269940
>being indecisive
just play DA, they are the fencesitter legion after all
>>48265618
>Kills Lucius outright before Lord Commander Cyrius
Lucius has literally none of his older lore before he became immortal left.
For Word Bearers, in 2500pts, is it worth it ever to run 3 HQs?
I plan to run Zardu and a Chaplain, but wasn't sure what was fluffy (and good) in a WB list.
>>48270016
Unlikely, Minotaurs are confirmed to be a 21st founding chapter. Even if it is Iron Warrior geneseed (which isn't even that heavily implied) odds are it was just leftover from a vault in Terra.
>>48269951
>Just 25 points per model
That would be OP as fuck
>Better than marines
>Everyone gets a power weapon that's better than a Phoenix Spear (Phoenix Spear is a pale imitation of the custodes power weapons)
>Palatines with Phoenix Spears cost 30 points
>>48269951
Do we know if Inferno is going to have full custodes rules or is it just going to be like Valdor
>>48270286
Cant go wrong with a librarian for extra daemon summoning
>>48265017
>WS
Qin Xa and Jubal Khan
>DA
Luther, Corswain, Farith Redloss, Astellan, Cypher
>BA
>Raldoron, Amit
>SW
Jorin Bloodhowl (of the 13th company) and Bjorn
>TS
>Ahriman, Hathor Maat (did he die? I can't remember), Amon
and Ignis (siege master of the TS
>>48270523
>Luther, Corswain, Farith Redloss, Astellan, Cypher
That seems pretty optimistic considering most other legions' number of special characters. I would say Luther, Corswain, likely Cypher, and maybe a fourth.
How is the LR Phobos? It can be taken by Deathshroud as a dedicated transport freeing up a heavy slot that would have been a spartan. Is it worth it? You lose 2 lascannon shots, flare shield, and capacity but gain a heavy slot and save some points.
>>48270543
Luther, Astellan and Cypher will probably have to wait until/if the book about the Battle for Caliban is done.
>>48270115
They also sit on fences because they like things up their butts!HUHEUHEU
>>48265870
I also think it's great, but I find that the White Scars really speak to my personal traits (especially the negative ones, at least in a work environment) so I was afraid that it was my bias telling me it was great.
And you can tell it was written for episodic releases - if you don't know that, its structure seems kind of awkward.
>>48268174
It was Girlyman that put Sanguinius up to playing at Emperor anyway, wasn't it? It's not the kind of thing he'd do on his own, he's prone to considering himself unworthy or flawed. Guilliman was the primarch obsessed with systems of governance, he'd be pushing one thing or another. You're either going to get the codex and broken up chapters, or you're going to get Imperium Secundus Mk2, but not both at the same time.
>>48270635
Spartan is only 45pts. more for extra HP, 150% more capacity, better guns, options, etc. Only reason to take a Phobos is because you're a poorfag, don't like resin kits or just really, really love the Phobos.
I got a Phobos for a small terminator squad simply because I felt wasting a Spartan for them was pointless.
>>48265658
Increasing quality, or decreasing? In other words, should I read Fear to Tread?
>>48266510
Heavily armored? Their purpose is to cry tears of sorrow and grace onto the soil of worlds that have drunk the blood of the IX legion, and in doing so have been made pure and worthy of the Imperium's touch (if by "touch" one means "teeming masses of filthy, cacophonous mon-keigh erecting crude, discordant buildings by the millions and souring the bloodied ground and the cordite-fouled air with interminable pollution.")
The Lamentii are as close as your species gets to ours. Sanguinius rises above your station. Keep him around and you might become something better one day.
>>48269940
Shattered Legions, ~1000 points of each.
>>48266943
They were* (when they were stripey red and yellow), but they were too rage-y and got refounded with "chimeric" gene-seed that's primarily IW
What legion has the absolute best models?
I place my vote for Word Bearers
We don't know what the White Scars ships look like, do we?
>>48271436
What's there to vote for? Word Bearers do have the best models.
>>48270382
Its supposed to be nigga and company, with full options for the four armies that participated in the sacking of prospero.
>>48265249
They have a specific organ dedicated to it (Sus-an membrane). No reason that it shouldn't be able to work for 10K+ years; their metabolism is literally slowed to zero. They have another organ that seals their skin and tissues with a waxy substance that attenuates radiation, combined they could plausibly enter a deathlike state that would preserve them from decay, and so it's a (relatively) simple matter of reversing this process.
Older fluff states that they can't revive themselves from this state, and suggests that the longer they remain in suspended animation, the less likely it is that they can actually be revived. Also, older fluff suggests that they're not conscious in this state (another reason they can't wake themselves)
But Epimethius in Pandorax showed that they can be, can revive themselves in seconds in response to their awareness of subtle external stimuli, and can have no negative effects (like needing hours to crank their metabolism back up, or muscle atrophy) even after 10K+ years. He was a psyker and a first-gen Grey Knight though, so that might make his case different to your garden-variety space marine.
Also, several novels have chaos space marines both entering and emerging from voluntary suspended animation at will as plot points (to mask their biosignatures from Mechanicus sensors, or to fool an Haemonculus into thinking they can't be revived even with their crazy biotech and extensive surgical knowledge). It's pretty cool even though it makes very little sense.
>>48271593
Makes you wonder how many Space Marines are in suspended animation in random nooks and crannies.
>>48270382
I thought at first that they'd just make a single unit (1-5 Custodes or something) as Agents of the Emperor so that loyalists could just include a squad as Elites or whatever. But someone said recently that a Forge World writer said at the last even that they'll be a full army.
So then maybe Sisters of Silence will just be an Agents of the Emperor unit (doubt they could get a full army list, then again in book 2 they mentioned a Rogue Trader Militant list that we haven't seen yet). Or maybe they'll include pre-Heresy Assassinorum as Agents of the Emperor.
Could go either way. They've got as much room as they want to use.
>tfw decide to learn Russian
>find out about /tg/
>get distracted
>find out about 40k
>buy a Start Collecting set and feel good
>find out about 30k
>I need this
>have no money for FW
>just realize I haven't gotten past chapter two in my Russian book
At least it's nice here.
>>48270686
That's post-heresy, so I don't think so.
>>48271625
Some Alphas hid themselves in a shipment of power armours headed for Terra this way.
>>48271625
>Be farmer on agri-world
>Expanding my fields
>Tilling dirt
>Hit yet another slagged world eater
>Screams incoherently at me as I drag him to the pile with my tractor
>>48271636
Are there even any Agents of the Warmaster?
>>48271651
Kek.
So Erebus corrupted Lorgar
Then they both conspired to corrupt Horus
How did Erebus get corrupted?
>>48271644
Book 6 contains a story set during the Scouring and, considering that's one of the most important parts of the DA's story, I believe they will do it.
>>48271668
Colchisian Old Faith was Chaos worship.
>>48271655
>Are there even any Agents of the Warmaster?
Not any exclusively-traitor ones yet, although the Navigator can be either.
>>48271668
Erebus was a stupid old man who liked the Old Was better.
Kor Phaeron was a stupid older old man who loved the Old Ways.
Lorgar was a young charismatic fool who believed that the Emprah could do no wrong, and strove to conquer each world into complete and total submission, not through fear, but love. When the Emperor chastised and humiliated not only him, but his legion, his sons, that's when he started to listen to the stupid old men. That's when his heart shrunk three sizes that day. And that's when the Ruinous Powers hold over the hearts of men became a dark reality, and plunged humanity into a fierce war, on a scale seen only for the first time.
>>48271651
could be a cool setting, young boy finds ancient spacemarine in the mountains, trapped within his ancient armor, the marine and the boy begin forming a friendship. Marine tells tales of the crusade, the reality of the imperium and what it meant to be a Legiones Astartes.
How do SoH play?
>>48271677
It's pretty much inevitable that they'll do the Scouring after they finish the Heresy (well, they might start doing it even before they finish the Heresy, but not anytime soon).
However, I think that, while compatible from a technical point-of-view, that whatever system they use for the Scouring will not be the same as Age of Darkness (i.e. even if it's just a name change, and regardless even if it all works fine mechanically, I doubt Forge World will consider Heresy armies versing Scouring armies to be legitimate).
As we get closer to Terra, we'll probably start to see chaos corruption entering the traitor legions (other than the Word Bearers of course), with (maybe optional) rules for chaos mutations or gifts, units like plaguemarines, different structures like sub-10-man tactical squads, and so on; this might be done in a forwards-compatible way to match them either to Scouring armies or to later Chaos Space Marine armies (which may or may not be fundamentally redesigned in the 12-18 months timeframe). But we just don't know yet (I expect that all plans will largely coincide with what models they can sell).
However, fluff pieces in HH books doesn't equate to rules for pre- or post-Heresy games. They aren't likely to deliberately make it impossible but they aren't going to encourage it in any way.
>>48271449
Like normal space marine vessels, but with enhanced, oversized engines. There's a bit of text describing them in Scars.
>>48271636
>a Forge World writer said at the last even that they'll be a full army
Silly. They should be to 30k as Grey Knights were to 2nd edition. A single unit, maybe a grav rhino, and Valdor as a character. That's plenty. FW have more than enough to be getting on with just making models for the legions.
>tfw SoH have everything.
They have all their special units and characters, with the unhelmeted guy in their own command squad looking just like their cripple character, transfer sheets not only for the SoH but the Luna Wolves as well, and their own dice.
Give me some Dusk Raider transfers, some Iron Havocs, some White Scar anythings, Dorn, etc.
>>48271933
FW have said that grav rhino is a stupid idea and that the cusstodes vehicles are going to be brand new and awesome.
Basically custodes are going to be a full list ala grey knights, and sisters of silence a half list, like 40 admech
>>48271973
>the Ultramarines of 30k have everything
Well duh.
And whoever's about to say "Ultramarines are the Ultramarines of 30K', shutup!
>>48272041
Giving the grey knights a full list was a mistake.
>>48271933
>>48272059
>Silly. They should be to 30k as Grey Knights were to 2nd edition.
>Giving the grey knights a full list was a mistake.
I agree with you completely. Just the same though, Forge World (and GW generally) will do what they want, and they (supposedly, according to rumors) want a full list for Custodes.
Be happy that they're not (yet?) doing a true full list for Knights Errant, I guess.
>>48272288
I suppose I'm just aggravated that they're finding more random shit to piss around with while half the legions only have the barest outlines of rules, and the other half don't have models for the rules they've already got. I know they may have grown bored of doing marines, but it would be nice if they didn't leave a load of players twisting in the wind.
>>48272288
>Be happy that they're not (yet?) doing a true full list for Knights Errant, I guess.
They might, although Titan returned to real space in time for the Second Founding, which occurred 021.M31, meaning after the Scouring.
>>48267963
The guy is called Ead Brown, I've been trying to find the quote but I can't remember which Facebook group he posted it in.
His Minotaur army was used to playtest a lot of legion rules, especially Iron Warriors.
In book 3 the Alpha Legion Storm Eagles are his Minotaur Storm Eagle with a teal photoshop filter.
His Minotaurs are also featured in the Badab War and Fall of Orpheus.
>>48272795
>>48267963
Here, found it.
>>48272041
They did? But I need my grav everything.
>>48271436
I have to go with Emperor's Children.
Palatine Blades, Kakophonii and Phoenix Terminators are all absolutely wonderful, and have arguably the best Contemptor of them all.
Their head/torso kit are very bad though.
>>48265249
There's also a legionnaire salamander that survived until 40k in Nick FUCKING Kyme's salamander's trilogy. Got found by a salamanders company that crashed on the planet. Don't bother asking what happened next (see the name of the author for why).
>>48264768
question time
> the reaping?
Or
> pride of the legion?
Which one would you bring?
>>48271436
Nice but not as sexy as gal vorbak
>>48267040
It only takes one marine geneseed to make a chapter
>>48267151
It's an Ancient Egyptian name you dumb American
>>48273830
Congrats you told me what one person did the day I saw this picture. I never got around to changing the filename.
>>48273797
Unless you have Terminators coming get out the arse go with the reaping. Rad Grenades, mtc far out weigh Terminator Troops. Especially considering DG can spam Terminators anyway.
>>48273817
While this is true in theory, in practice it's considered that a chapter being reduced to approximately 100 marines or less is the end of the chapter. They can't be an effective fighting force and also recover from their losses, and it's considered (culturally, not legally) that they can't afford to spend 100+ years not doing their job simply to ensure that they survive. Typically therefore they'll go on a final crusade.
Also losing critical geneseed (most critically the Black Carapace) or expertise (Apothecaries/Techmarines, though in some cases their parent/descendant chapters may second a couple of theirs temporarily to train a new generation if they have a good enough relationship) also heralds the end of a chapter.
There are multiple examples, of course, of all of this happening and yet a chapter still survives (except maybe the Black Carapace geneseed, I'm not sure about that).
>>48273904
Thanks mate
>>48273797
The reaping, basically always.
You get taxed two squads for the ability to field scoring heavy weapon squads as the rest of your troops
Want heavy squads? 4 in troops choices, plus nothing stopping you from taking more in heavy
Want vets? 4 elite slots plus 4 in troops available
Want terminators? Grave wardens now no longer compete with heavy squads, and since deathshroud can be an HQ choice and a command squad your elites are free for dreads, rapiers and apothecaries. those rapiers, which can place phosphex markers or grav templates which restrict movement, you ignore those.
Want fast movers? Assault squads can now take rad grenades and auto pass dangerous terrain, plus you can still take a fast attack choice, so why not a lightning with phosphex bombs, or some rad grenade bikers, or maybe speeders with grav weapons to knock out heavy vehicles. Ow, and storm eagle is fast attack, so you can deliver a 20 man squad/10 man termies no problem
Want allies and a fort? You can take both in the reaping, you greedy little cunt
Want beepboops? Castellax with rad grenades/furious charge will dumpster most other MC, same with vorax but with that sweet scouting action. or give them LA:DG for chem flamers and a 4+++ against poison weapons
Want tanks? well since your taking rask as an HQ anyways his target priority trait applies to all vehicles too, so your dakka preds can now reroll 1s and blast just about anything off objectives. This also ties back into the beepboops, expensive but advanced targeting+darkfire+tankhunters+target priority will delete elite objective holders and vehicles
Want aircraft? well since you can take allies, and a fast attack of your own you can still bring an airforce, but news flash fireraptors are heavy support, and creeping heavy gunships shattering defenses and scouring hard points in support of a massive infantry wave is DG as fuck compared to light attack craft
Death Guard, its wats for dinner. Now pass the phosphex
>>48271193
>should I read fear to tread?
If you like or are simply okay with the Blood Angels, yes. It's my favourite book they've done.
>heavily armoured
That was mostly just me wish listing cos I would love a Tartaros terminator unit. I was thinking they could be a force multiplier unit to aid in the defends of world's where the legion fought to protect those words from retribution from whatever the legion fought there. Say the BA conquers a world from a xenos species and moves on. The planet is being colonised but the xenos show up cos they want their planet back. The Lamentii help reinforce the local PDF with their skills and strength.
>>48273904
This, DG can even use a unit of Deathshroud as a HQ, pretty sweet.
Anons who are buying the ePub of the new legion book: can I depend on you for leaks in the wee hours when the book drops?
>>48265017
>SW
Gunnar Gunnhilt
So how viable is it to run a shattered legions list?
>>48273830
Actually, it's Russian, you dumb Brit.
>>48272059
The custodes where an independent militant arm long before they where locked in an eternal combat with the daemons breaching the portal on terra.
The fact that they are the only imperial force locked in a singular battle for eternity should indicate their strength of arms as a militant group.
Only the custodes are allowed in the throne room, all support elements, all vehicles, it all must be operated by the custodes within the inner sanctum.
>>48275068
Which two legions were you thinking?
>>48275284
World Eaters, and EC
Less than 24 hours to the new red book, are you prepared for upheaval?!
>>48276050
>upheaval
That's a funny way to spell "seagulls".
>>48271762
My guess is that the Scouring will be the same in terms of rules. They didn’t take any time to reorganize until after it was completed – the forces will be effectively the same as those on Terra. On the Traitor side, they were already looking more like their 40k counterparts by then (other than the Sons of Horus). But the Loyalist legions should still be as in the Age of Darkness.
>>48271914
Basically I’m thinking about doing them in Battlefleet Gothic (though Aliexpress keeps taking down the store with BFG recasts). Problem is that there are three sets of ships that could work – in the 40k setting, BFG has model ranges for the Imperial Navy, Space Marines, and Chaos fleets (and AdMech). 30k fleets could’ve used any of the three aesthetics.
>>48276050
I can't wait for betterSeekersquads!
Why upheaval?
Is it supposed to be bad?
>>48276090
Please don't say that word, it triggers Perturabo's PTSD
>>48271762
>probably
I thinks it more definitely. We all know what happens to the Death Guard before getting to Terra, but the corruption before that point? I can only think of Typhus fiddling around with the powers that shouldn't be and Morty seldomly doing that.
>>48264768
Angels of Caliban epub/mobi, anyone?
>>48274327
They don't fight they just recruit and also use vat grown videos to incubate the geneseed - the same way new chapters are created
>>48275544
Actually this is a great choice. Hunter-Killer mission is a rite of war for shattered legions. It requires an EC HQ and makes it so none of your units are scoring. Instead of scoring you are pretty much playing a game of kill points.
Why this is so great is because World Eaters have almost objectively the best tacticals in the form of Inductii, their only downside is that they cannot score. If you cannot score anyway you lose nothing but gain a unit that has up to 100 str 5 AP 4 attacks on the charge. However the truly hilarious part is how inductii work with the Sacred Trust rule. Inductii don't give the opponent a victory point so if your group is willing to roll with it you could actually have a chance to gain free victory points by Exhortation of Butchery to have your Inductii self destruct probably horribly fucking up a unit in the process and possibly get a free victory point for it.
Furthermore EC naturally work well with the rite since they are great at sweeping and sweeping an enemy to wipe them out earns D3 victory points instead of just one. Using EC to rape elite units (terminators and power weapon marines) with Phoenix Spears and using kamikaze Inductii to utterly rape non MEQ infantry (about 44 unsaved wounds against GEQs before they strike 55 if the Inductii go suicide mode) and even fuck up MEQs fairly effectively (8-9 wounds, 11 in super charge mode and only take 4ish in return if facing Blood Angels or Dark Angels).
I play EC and the only thing keeping me from fielding this list is a lack of money. It fits both sides very well, they are both hyper aggressive (EC want initiative WE want attacks) and have no great scoring options anyway outside of tacticals.
>>48276154
Are seekers supposedly getting a buff? It isn't like they really need one.
>>48270257
But did he really die? The cheap-ass explanatus for Nikona not suddenly becoming Lucius' next body was that the emo boy didn't enjoy it (cheap I tell you), not to mention Slaanesh didn't need to revive him hirself because Bill did it on his own with his Painboy skillz (he did sew Eidolon's head back on).
>>48276667
How do Shattered Legions deal with not scoring?
>>48276692
Honestly who the fuck cares at this point? Lucius literally exists to show off how badass other people are.
>>48276683
They don't, they only need Implacable Advance and Precision Shots listed in their rules. I hope FW didn't fuck that up the way they did with Headhunters (missing Implacable Advance in Legions book).
>>48276464
Check comments on Epistolary's profile.
>>48276713
Just that rite of war, which makes up for it by killing shit. Victory points for killing, D3 for sweeping which EC are good at.
>>48276730
Eh, I view them as shooty Palatine Blades, similar costs, reversed stats (swap WS and BS) both are good at murdering elite units. While I wouldn't mind implacable advance I don't really think they need it, but precision shots probably is needed to fulfill their role as battlefield assassins.
>>48276794
They have Implacable Advance as of this year's FAQ, what I meant to say is I hope Army List book is more than shitty Legions copy-paste job.
Heavy support squads should get implacable advance.
So I've been reading up on the SoH rules and I'm really liking the +1 BS in 12" and an extra attack when you outnumber rules, but other than their looks and color scheme, I can't really bring myself to like them.
>>48277545
Explain
>>48277575
Yeah, they're a little dry, and overshadowed by Horus and Abbadon. Does Vengeful Spirit talk more about them?
>>48277664
I don't know, haven't read any books with them. I dunno why, but they do and don't interest me. I think it's because of Abaddon, honestly. I never could take him seriously in 40k, and now that he's back in 30k, I still can't take him seriously.
>>48277634
I'm thinking that the dudes who hold one position and provide fire support should count as acually holding said position.
>>48277545
Eh maybe. Mostly the low AP weapons like lascannons need a point drop though. Paying 235 points for 5 non-relentless marines firing 5 BS 4 lascannons with no special rules (eg. tank hunters) is worthless. Just get two laser vindicators, much more lethal, much more accurate, much more survivable, and 25 points more.
>>48277716
My favourite story about the Sons of Horus is "Extinction". It perfectly represents how they were their primarch's extension and how much they looked up to his image of being the greatest of his brothers.
>>48277664
Vengeful Spirit gives a huge insight into the Sons of Horus and deals with the soul of the legion.
Oh, Gitz, I just remembered a story about a SoH later BL who has to hunt down every marine who has the geneseed of an IF he was friends with until he killed him at the Siege, or become a Chaos Spawn. Think he'll get a mention?
Did Luther and Kor Phaeron ever interact?
They seem like kindred spirits
>>48277575
That's because their units are not particularly interesting, they just sort of... do well.
Are you interested in orbital assault/drop pods/outflanking? Because that's something that they do extremely well and in a rather unique manner.
Any British anons on standby to let us know what changes are coming to the legions?
>>48278131
I have the digital version pre-ordered, but there's zero info on when it actually unlocks.
r8 my proposed rotor cannon fix
>>48264898
Eye of Horus
FULLY PAINTED IS FOR CLOSERS.
>>48277545
Do you even Death Guard
>>48278131
Last digital book I preordered came out at precisely midnight bong time.
>>48278172
It just says the 15th of July
>>48278204
BloodAngels/10
>>48278244
wot time
>>48278244
Fucking perfect. Did you decide to get this one?
>>48278255
0536016.M3
>>48278313
>>48278255
12 bong.
>>48278349
>>48278358
bitch please, if youre going to pull the emps children card you gotta do it right
>>48265249
IIRC he got put in stasis
>>48278234
No.
>>48278253
>BloodAngels/10
So, 9/10?
>>48278422
I appreciated that
Does anyone else think that the constant Primarch fights cheapen them and turn them into jobbers? In the old fluff, whenever two primarchs fought, one of them either died or was seriously wounded. Now every book has one, and I just don't get the point
https://regimental-standard.com/2016/07/13/common-myths-about-the-horus-heresy/
Chaosfags indescribably, eternally, objectively, empirically BTFO
>>48278470
We know if Ol' Morty's going to be in a fight he'll lose. I pity Mortartion. The only fights I know he hasn't lost was some Necromancers, other less fortunate Gitz he krumped along the way of the Crusade, that daemon from Daemonology, and some Orks and SoBs in M36-39ish.
>>48278495
That was yesterday's news.
>>48278380
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYYRH4apXDo
>>48278208
Started listening to them today.Gonna start giving my marines dickdogs
Mortarion's also relevant in the old Realms of Chaos books. He can be a daemonic sponsor.
So can any Germanbros confirm if this is a new book or just an anthology? It seems to have special cover art which the english version doesn't, and I haven't heard of a sons of Lupercal novel
>>48278634
Even Abby looks old.
Sell me on Night Lords. I don't see their appeal in neither fluff or crunch.
>>48278751
their crunch appeal is easy. they are hands down the best melee legion, terror squads are great, raptors are solid, curze is a beast, sevatar is great, their terminators can teleport. their only problem crunch wise is that they are essentially mono-build since terror assault is so good.
>>48278751
Curzefag amuses me.
>>48278751
Their armor has projectors in them. That's why they have lightning on them. Strobe light marines? Is that your? thing?
>>48278527
I'm not sure he actually lost in Scars. The Khan was hemmed in, unable to use his speed, and was basically going to try a do-or-die move that didn't sound very promising beforeMorty realized his fleet wasn't ready for battle and ran away.
>>48278782
>the best melee legion
That would be World Eaters.
>>48277575
Taking a Maloghurst allows you to avoid running filler tactical tax without taking up a right of war. Also merciless fighters blows.
>>48278787
Your repeating dubs have convinced me that it wasn't a true loss.
>>48278787
He did lose though
>drawn into a fight
>mocked to your face by Jaghatai
>finally think you're going to kill him
>it's a trap
>your bodyguards get massacred by some pseudo traitor shits and you almost get blown to smithereens
>Jaghatai escapes to Terra
Can't imagine the tongue lashing Horus gave him after that one
>>48278751
Among a race of fearless posthumans, they still know the value of fear as a weapon. There's some anecdote of Curze telling Vulkan that killing a city to scare the rest of the planet into submission was not as evil as bombarding the entire planet for the same result - they think they're being efficient. Curze is also interesting because he's foreseen his own death, and that seems to have freed him to speak his mind. He's the one telling people (like the primarchs involved in Imperium Secundus) truths they don't want to hear. It's usually part of his usual psychological manipulation, but it's convenient for the reader because it puts obvious questions about the narrative out in the open.
Sevatar is apparently pretty cool too, but I'm not as familiar with him.
No, I don't see much to love outside of the named characters either.
>>48278839
Yeah, but dubdubs here >>48278855 makes a good case for why it was.
>>48278855
Lost to the Khan.
Lost to Typhon.
Lost to Magnus and the pro-librarius faction.
Lost to his own cause.
Lost to the loyalists.
Lost to witches and psykers and daemons.
Oh morty.
>>48278808
>reroll 1's on charge
>easy access to free hatred
>exhortation of butchery
>rage
+1 WS in challenges
>red butchers
>kharn
>angron
>>48278808
not crunchwise it wouldnt be, not by a long shot. and i play WE.
fluffwise, yes WE should be the best. assuming you are using night lords correctly you are getting +1 to hit and +1 to wound all the time, if you are running curze you get a free 4+ cover save turn one, and have a a 50% chance of getting it turn 2 for your entire army.
raptors are WS5 so they are hitting most marines on a 2+ and wounding on a 3+, they have what is essentially rage + hammer of wrath.
terror squads have 3 attack each, once again hitting on a 3+ wounding on a 3+ just like all night lords, except they also have preferred enemy.
world eaters cant compete with that
>>48278634
It's an alternate cover for the German translation of some Anthology we already got in English, can't remember which one though.
>>48278872
>among a race of fearless post humans, they still know hte value of fear as a weapon
>race of fearless post humans
>fearless
I honestly don't have a real problem with Night Lords, I think they're too edgy but whatever, and I actually like Curze. However, I think the Night Lords have no place in the HH cos their combat doctrines rely on fear and the only thing that comes close to scaring astartes is warp witchery, which the Word Bearers were doing better during the civil war anyway.
To me their stupid bat faces just weren't useful during the Heresy.during the great crusade is a different story though
>>48278890
I don't know which dubs to go with.
>>48275247
To bad two eldars could get within spitting distance if the emperor while slaying scores of the dudes.
Are those deamons even trying?
>>48277853
Probably not
>>48278908
No one uses fucking raptors
>>48276667
So what would be a good list for 2,500pts using SL given the advice you just shared?
>>48279145
yea they do.
the typical curze star is ether 15 raptors or outriders
