Wtf /tg/ what is it with retards in Games Workshop?
I mean wew lad it was only one unit, I wasn't exacatly fielding a whole army of Forge World exclusive shit.
Forge World is part of the company but you can't use it in the majority of shops cause butthurt staff crying about their sales targets and poorfags crying because they can't afford it.
Has this happened to anyone else?
What is the point in selling Forge World stuff if you can't use it, can someone non retarded who works for GW actually explain it?
I am actually thinking about writing a letter to White Dwarf to get official clarification on this shit once and for all if they don't outright bin it.
Diana did nothing wrong!
>>48227676
>can't use it in the majority of shops
You can in the majority.
Only a small minority of GWs ban FW. If your store bans it then find a different store, all non GW stores will allow it and the vast majority of GWs also allow it.
Unless that GW is the only local gaming store you have, this shouldn't be an issue. If that is the case, you can probably snitch to GW support and/or higher ups, they might do something about it.
>>48227814
>you can probably snitch to GW support and/or higher ups, they might do something about it.
They definitely will, because not allowing FW models into the store reduces the incentive to buy FW models, and therefore eats into their profits.
>>48227676
e-mailing GW about an issue with your local blackshirt is something to consider
It's not okay to drive away potential customers of any kind, but the bigwigs aren't going to be aware of the problem unless someone brings it to them.
>>48227676
My favorite is the "30k is OP" meme. You have neckbeards with diamond hard Eldar and Tau lists trying to say that they can't deal with a primarch because forgeworld is inherently broken.
>>48227814
>If your store bans it then find a different store
Kinda hard for those who only have 2 GW stores in the entire country
>>48227676
Find another store. GW shops are too often cancer. Play at your LGS and then show up at GW places if they have an event or exclusive model or anything.
On a different note as too WHY the hostility towards ForgeWorld exists. Its easy to understand the frustration of store owners. FW goes right around them and can literally be money out of their pocket.
Our LGS has a guy that only buys the forgeworld Space Marine stuff. He had spent hundreds on his army over 2 years, spent countless evenings in the store playing and using their table space, electricity, time, and energy... and over two and a half years this guy pretty much only bought a Rhino kit and about 5ish pots of paint when everything was said and done. It was understandable that the store owner was a little frustrated at the guy.
So one day a couple of us were eating at the diner up the block after a game night and explained to the guy that concept, that he plays the game but doesn't really support the hobby store and thats why the store owner seems distant from the guy. We werent dicks about it, just gave him that perspective. You know what he did? He simple changed up his habits, he bought something every other month or so from the shop and added some mars pattern vehicles to his space marines and such. He showed he was willing to support the store and now he is a regular and everything is fine.
When playing a majority Forgeworld army in your LGS, make purchases from the store, like paints, glue, or even a model kit every now and then to show the store you still support them, that is usually enough.
>>48229685
Chances are, with only 2 stores in the entire country, you can drive to the next country over in less time than traveling between two US or Aurstalian cities.
In that case, man the fuck up and drive to another country or move to some non shit stain backwater.
>>48227676
Never had a problem with it in the store that I go to. I even enter in forgeworld models for the painting competitions.
>>48227676
I know that lots of people have a gripe about FW stuff being overpowered, but in 7th edition, that's less true than it ever was. If anything, I think the FW stuff is kinda underpowered compared to other armies right now. It also seems to me that IA armies tend to have better internal balance than other GW codices as well.
>>48229224
This.
>>48227676
>YOU YOUUUUU CAN'T USE FORGE WORLD HERE
>mfw my army is a regular GW vanilla marine army with a couple rhinos and terminators
>but every single model is made from FW parts or has some kind of FW upgrade or armor kit applied to it
Welp.
>>48230482
It was only true in 5E and early 6E. When 6E Tau rolled around with Riptides and 6E Eldar with Wave Serpents, FW ceased to matter. Back when Draigowing and Necron bakery spam were the most common armies FW was actually "OP" because it had things like Sabre Platforms and Vultures which could actually wreck flying spam lists.
>>48227676
>What is the point in selling Forge World stuff
What is the point in buying their overpriced stuff?
>>48231390
Cause they want it? What is the point in buying anything? You will always be able to get something for free/cheaper.
>>48231486
>Cause they want it? What is the point in buying anything? You will always be able to get something for free/cheaper.
Sure, but OP seems to be questioning the entire "company". Just ignore Forge World and be done with it.
>>48231516
I think most people buy FW shit for looks or the rules. That should be like 100% of the reasons right there, except for the couple of fags who buy it just to be an elitist.
Ignoring FW means you have to use only plastic models and only GW units.
Its mostly FW mechanicum and some characters like fucking sigusmund that have issues with players, i can see why they are banned in some cases there but moddeling and doing 30k in general that is banned is pretty bonkers...
>>48229259
This. The vast majority of the time, the people complaining about FW in regular 40k seem to be Eldar/Tau/Necron.
>>48231543
>I think most people buy FW shit for looks or the rules.
I think you are correct. In the end though they seem to piss OP off. Why not just ignore them, that is FW, if you are OP and be done with it?
>Ignoring FW means you have to use only plastic models and only GW units.
That might very well be the case, is that somehow worse though?
>>48231637
>is that somehow worse though?
Of course it is, unless you are a player who only cares about the game and doesn't care about how the models look, or you are a person who doesn't like even a single FW model.
It's obvious these people shouting about how their local Nazi torture camp of a GW is banning FW like FW for one reason or another, usually for the models.
>>48231686
>Of course it is, unless you are a player who only cares about the game and doesn't care about how the models look, or you are a person who doesn't like even a single FW model.
>It's obvious these people shouting about how their local Nazi torture camp of a GW is banning FW like FW for one reason or another, usually for the models.
I see your point, no really I do. What would you say to OP though?
>>48227676
>writing a letter to White Dwarf
That will not really help, will it?
>>48231778
>I see your point, no really I do. What would you say to OP though?
I'd slowly set up my army inside the store, look OP in the eye, and say, "Nice Forge World units, FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAG"
>>48227676
I don't see how the number of units you used is relevant. If it's no FW, one is the same as all.
>>48231814
>I'd slowly set up my army inside the store, look OP in the eye, and say, "Nice Forge World units, FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAG"
Haha, I'm sure that will help. Haha.
>>48231318
and by forgeworld, he actually means chinaman.
>>48231828
Removing one unit from your army is better than removing your entire army. Which is why OP is a cockmancer.
>>48231856
Do you think people would pay me for my FW baggies so they can pretend their chinashit is legal?
>>48231926
>pretend
Chinese models ARE legal. Here's another thing stupid people believe:
GW cares about FW models in their stores. They don't.
Many stores will - rightly - only let players sub FW models for units that can be found in a store codex - not just some possibly-shopped pdf on your phone. tl;dr:
OP is a fag.
>>48229708
Champion right here, I've had honest conversations with my blackshirt about the store environment and coming in to do hobby. He knows that I'm a student with not a lot of disposable income, but when I pick up paints and the white dwarf every other week with maybe 1 kit a month he's perfectly happy with my support because he wants people in his store taking part in the hobby.
>>48232264
Wait a second, so you are saying that it's fine to bring in the models for Forgeworld, but not use the rules for them?
Please elaborate why.
So long as you're not using a specialist unit, say a Cerberus breaching drill thing, something that is outside the scope of the core army books(unless explicitly agreed to by all parties beforehand) then there should be absolutely no reason for the local redshirt, blackshit, blueshirt, whatever the fuck colour of shirt they have them wearing now to get pissy at you.
Maybe consider a letter to the manager, if you remember the guy's name and try to get a firm answer on it. If all else fails there's probably an alternative not too far away
Forge World is not Games Workshop. If they were the same thing, they would be labeled as such. It doesn't matter if GW owns FW. FW is not the "real deal" or else it would have the GW label on it. FW means "optional expansion rules and models for the most die-hard fans only". What about us mainstream plebs who just want the Real McCoy? I guess we're out of luck because we haven't read the rules for your latest stupid $800 titan or flying tank, so you're going to obliterate us using your optional expansion rules and there's nothing we peasants can do about it. GG, forgeworld fags. You just lost yourself an opponent in a pool of gamers that is rapidly drying up. Thank the Emperor I don't live in the UK where this shit is endemic and pathological.
>>48232581
The the thing is that most forgeworld armies have stricter limits about what lords of war and such you can bring.
Almost every army in 40k can cream a 30k list simply due to the lack of formations and other such bullshit that 30k has.
Sure, there might be some taufag that brings a supremacy suit to a 1500 point game, but you can just ignore him like all the other taufags.
>>48232581
>He thinks FW isn't GW
Mate, it even says when you go to their official website that it's GW.
Forgot to mention that resin is gross, it's impossible to work with, it smells bad and it causes cancer. I want metal or high-quality plastic. Resin is just finecast. Why do people pay extra for finecast just because it has the Forge World logo on the bag?
>>48232727
So why are they separate? Why do they have separate websites? Because GW doesn't want FW garbage polluting their model lines and rulesets, that's why. Forge World and Games Workshop are separate entities. That's how GW likes it, and that's how it's gonna stay. End of argument.
>>48232769
>FW garbage
Bro, they made Betrayal at Calth. You can't say GW isn't associated with Forgeworld.
Besides, Forgeworld is putting out models that are hell of a lot easier on the eyes then some of GW's more recent works.
>>48232264
>Here's another thing stupid people believe:
>GW cares about FW models in their stores. They don't.
Wrong, I've seen it in person.
>Many stores will - rightly - only let players sub FW models for units that can be found in a store codex
You just made this up yourself. Sorry bro but you are an idiot.
HMM I DON'T SEE THE WORDS "FORGE WORLD" ANYWHERE, DO YOU??
OH HERE WE GO, TUCKED AWAY AT THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE WHERE LITERALLY NOBODY CAN SEE IT. RIGHT NEXT TO "LICENSED PRODUCTS", PROVING THAT FW IS CONSIDERED A THIRD PARTY SPINOFF BY THE BOYS IN CHARGE.
>>48232885
I do.
>>48232885
>>48232908
This is some nice bait you've got there.
>>48232908
It's a subsidiary company. Corporate policy is that all FW stuff counts as GW stuff and can be used in their stores with imputiny
>>48232264
>illegal bootlegs are legal
>>48232581
>It doesn't matter if GW owns FW. FW is not the "real deal" or else it would have the GW label on it.
It does have the GW label on it.
>>48232581
>I guess we're out of luck because we haven't read the rules for your latest stupid $100 knight/stormsurge or invisible deathstar, so you're going to obliterate us using your optional expansion campaign rules and there's nothing we peasants can do about it. GG, xenos fags
>>48232908
It's also in the same list as Black Library, where the GW rulebooks are found. You know, if it were a third party licensed product, maybe it would be in the Licensed Products link instead of its own link? I guess "jobs at GW" and "retailers for GW products" aren't GW related either.
>>48232908
>FW IS CONSIDERED A THIRD PARTY SPINOFF BY THE BOYS IN CHARGE
So where's FFG link then? Or all the video game dev links? Surely if they were 3rd party, all 3rd parties would be listed.
Oh, wait, you're a retard.
>>48229882
Welcome to Finland, we have 1 GW store in the entire country.
And it recently cut size by half the store size.
>>48232753
lol if you think FW resin and finecast are the same shit.
they're two very different formulations, which is painfully evident in the workability, the fact that you can actually rebend FW resin unlike finecast and it will keep the fix (finecast will re-warp slowly over time), and the density difference.
FW resin is generally as easy or easier to work with than plastic, since you can hot-bend parts when doing complicated conversion work, and when using mixed materials the surface of the resin when slightly roughed makes for stronger superglue contact
>>48232885
>>48232908
>>48237088
I never get foreign jokes
>>48232929
Yeah, but not specifically where he told you to look. Doesn't count.
>>48227676
>visit my local store
>the manager's brother is setting up some 15k euro worth of resin marines up for a full scale display
It's just your store. GW sells 30k in stores now.
>>48232581
Shitty argument. Just ask your opponent what the rules for something is. Besides, there's SO many rules out there now with all these stupid formations and expansion books, no one knows what the hell is going on anyway.
The best part of using forge world in GW stores is you can buy 3rd party and just say you bought direct from FW, while you cant buy 25% off plastics and say you bought them in store.
>>48227676
Have you tried going to an independent store and playing star wars or infinity instead? Wow my gaming life and bank acct got better when I quit 40k.
>entering geedub stores
If for some inexplicable reason the only stores in my area were GW, I would make my basement into a gaming club.
>>48239970
The joke is "Finland".
>>48240616
I thought it was that he was sober for once and stopped seeing double so the store looked to be only half the size.
>>48239970
Nah, the thing is, they moved into smaller sized store, because there was too much people coming and going into the old store.
>>48232769
FW IS games workshop, its a separate more specialist design studio, same with specialist games who make blood bowl, mordheim, necromunda ect. its the blackshirt's fault for not allowing their own products in store
>>48229708
This is why I playing at LGS. I feel obligated to buy stuff, even if my intention is only to come and play a game.
I'd rather there be some sort of monthly entry fee where you could win prizes instead of the gentlemen's agreement we've got so that way I never feel like I'm wasting a ton of money and the LGS owner doesn't feel like I'm a freeloader. And really, finding another way to make money is far better than relying solely on model sales, especially for veteran customers who only buy a couple things per year.
>>48232581
Wow, I didn't know Forgeworld models had the ability to force you to accept a game against your will, or stay through the entire game even if you are miserable. Powerful stuff.
>>48240562
This. Why do people even still play 40k, anyway?
>>48243545
Technically with that line of thinking, you could turn down any game for arbitrary reasons. Try telling someone you're not playing against them if they play IG or SM, I doubt you'll get very many takers.
For the most part, I'm less concerned with foreworld and more worried about cheese builds or current high-powered meta stuff. At the same time though, if I show up to the LGS, I expect to be taking all comers, not just playing whatever I feel like.
>>48246110
>>My warrior code forbids me to have fun, I play games purely out of a sense of ethical responsibility.
YOU YES YOUUUUU
>>48240562
>>48243738
Yet you losers go in 40k threads. That's like the epitome of pathetic. Just move on faggots
>>48246110
You'll get plenty of takers. Just not IG and SM players. Unless you're from one of those stores that's like 99% marines I don't see the problem. And yes, you CAN arbitrarily turn down any game. If I dont want to play some guy because his models are unpainted or I don't like his list or because I simply don't want to spend 2 hours putting up with an awkward fatass, I can absolutely say I don't want to play.
>>48232950
>It's a subsidiary company.
No it's not. It's a seperate studio, but it's still part of the main company.
My experience with FW at GW is "The models are cool, but if you want to use forge world published rules for it, you better have a hard copy of the rules on hand."
One of the local redshirts at the time had a pretty sizable collection of FW stuff to begin with, and plenty of regulars with stuff like, bio-titans, eldar titans, and shit.
