We legacy now edition
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All hail Rhino Order. Son of Rhino Pod.
>>48047563
>Hol' up. What's tier 1 to you?
>to you
Post the tier lists ya dingus
>>48047623
Fucking tiers.
Remember how amulet bloom was a shit deck nobody played, because it was a bad deck....? Oops.
Remember how merfolk were shit and it couldn't handle the big and scary pod lists? Yeeeahh.....
Oh, infect is tier 2.5 jank? Whatever.
Or how lantern control can't possibly ever beat anyone to get into top8?
>>48047623
Well he says he beats tier one decks. For all we know he plays some other shit brew and thinks it's tier 1.
What does 8whack need to compete against jund and abzan company?
>>48047615
I don't get it. If toolbox enabling cards are so bad for the format, why do they keep pushing tutors and pseudotutors all the time?
>>48047768
8whack fucking sucks
>>48047615
I like it. Makes Junk actually an option to consider over Jund. You can even sac spirits to fetch BoBs with it.
Could also be seen as a 2-of in Kiki-chord as Chord 6 and 7.
Good potential.
>>48047717
Tier 1 doesn't mean a deck is amazing and unbeatable and will be forever, it has multiple factors going into it.
Read this: http://modernnexus.com/topdecks/
>>48047717
Funny thing is that Lantern is terrible in the current meta with all these Emrakul running around.
>>48047768
Reprints.
How does Abzan company do well?
I play against it quite often and it just gets hosed by so many cards. Some even being good otherwise like kalitas.
Removal fucks it hard too. Finally, it's beats are unremarkable as finks is there biggest threat without counters.
>>48047930
Whatever you're hosing company with does fuckall against a different company build, and whatever hoses all of them gets boned by Gavony Township.
>>48048081
Grafdiggers and torpor orb hoses every iteration
>>48047930
Because it's consistent and have a strong combo.
>>48048081
Award for the dumbest post goes to you.
What do you think you're running that makes all these decks so different?
>>48047615
>unearth fatestitcher
>turn three armada wurm/titan/whatever other 5/6 drop you wanttoo cute?
>>48048285
Yhea... requires too much setup. Titanshift/Throught the Breach can do the same more easily
>>48047768
a better strat
Why did simic get shit on in return to ravnica? Why do they never print good cards in those colours?
>>48048498
>Why do they never print good cards in those colours?
>Deadeye
>Thragtusk
>Zegana
>Snapcaster Mage
Nigger did you even PLAY standard?
Call me retarded but this card seems very playable in modernas sideboard tech for burn
>>48048122
Grafdiggers and Torpor Orb do fuck all against Gavony.
Grave hate? On board and Gavony.
ETB hate? Grave and Gavony
Land destruction? Go go combo win.
>>48048155
Well if you run hate for any given element that CoCo wins with, they can just kill you literally any other way. The hate is extremely targeted.
>>48048558
Why would Burn ever bring it in? I can see it mainboarded in Affinity more than anything.
>>48048530
I think he meant UG spells
>>48048628
They wouldn't which is why I want it.
Honestly I've been considering cutting white from my Naya burn deck, only white spell in the deck is Boros charm. Play this guy in my deck so I can can beat face and be manly.
>>48048558
I would literally rather hard cast rift bolt.
>>48048558
very aggressive affinity?
>>48048711
I have won a surprising number of games doing that.
>>48048558
Guys, Guys !
Why not run this in8 rack?
>>48048768
Well you have Hymn of Emmy now seems like a good addition to me.
>>48047748 #
My Mardu-Spaghetti Deck
>2 Planeswalkers:
2 Nahiri
>8 Creatures:
4 young Pyro
2 kalitas trator of ghet
1 Emrakul aeons torn
1 tasigur of golden fang*
>31 Spells:
4 Lingering souls
4 path to exile
2 lightning helix
2 Thoughtseize
4 inquisition of koz
4 bolt
2 terminate
4 faithlesa looting
3 crackling doom
>21 Lands:
2 blood crypt
2 godless shrine
2 Sacred Foundry
4 bloodstained mire
4 marsh flats
2 blackcleave
2 basics
1 shambling vents
1 Lavaclaw reaches
1 vault of the archangel
*pet card. Angler would be better but for some reason I just like having tasigur. He's quicker to cast than angler and provides a pretty decent body for protecting me or nahiri.
>15 Sideboard:
1 grafdigger cage
1 torpor orb
2 Soulfire grandmaster
2 wrath of god
4 wall of omens
1 stoney silence
3 intangible virtue
1 ratchet bomb
So I got a lot of flak for not running 4 nahiri. She's a Wincon but not one that I need. I'm not good at dealing with enchantments so I have no problem -2ing her to deal with threats. I also have enough draw spells to reliably get her or an equal threat. I can do graveyard stuff, play beaters, or play the long grindy control game. It's not top tier but very fun and has a lot of utility. I will admit I'd probably get BTFO'd by a superior control deck like jeskai, but it's a fun deck and I love the variety.
>>48048867
>31 Spells
Fuck typo. Also I only run 2 crackling doom. That makes 30 Spells. If I had 61 cards it'd trigger my autism to no end
>>48048867
Drop crackling doom, run x2 K-Command instead.
>>48048931
>>48048867
Also drop the WoO in your sideboard and add x3 Fulminator Mages and x1 SS
>>48048867
Oh my god this makes me cry tears of blood.
>>48048867
>not playing bump in the night
>>48048984
You sound like a baby. A possessed creepy baby.
>>48047615
Thinking about all the stuff one could cheat out by sacing delve creatures is giving me a hard on
>>48047737
Heres the thing with tier one decks: they all have a weakness. Usually one thats very exploitable.
>>48049163
Jund?
>>48049169
>>48049125
if you Tomescour yourself you can get Tombstalker out on turn 2, then pull out some fuckhuge 10 cmc creature on turn 3... Progenitus maybe?
>>48048867
>21 lands
Aside from that I like it. Seems like a slightly weaker grixis midrange/control on paper, but I have never seen it in action so what do I know.
I'm just happy I've got a fellow mardu bro.
>>48049169
Bloodmoon you stupid niggerfaggot.
>>48049206
this is my new mission in life
>>48049244
not really
>>48048761
Mr too. It's like people forget you don't have to suspend it.
>Playing vs. Jund
>T4 he Thoughtseize
>Bolt and mountain in hand, he takes bolt, goes to three life.
>Smacks me with Goyf, I'm at 4
>He says, "lol, looks like I win."
>Topdeck rift bolt
>Cast, Jund player says,"Great, my turn?"
>No, dude, you just lost.
> Nu-huh Rift bolt hits me next turn.
>....what?
>He calls a judge and we explain what happened.
>Judge tells him to not be a crybaby.
Placed second that night. Felt good.
>>48049300
Most of the time when I drop bloodmoon against a Jund player, they straight up lose that game, and since I never start with it in hand they can't pick it off.
The second game? They lose to ghost quarter, because when they only run 2 basics in their entire deck, it's like I'm suddenly playing with strip mine.
hatecolour fetches reprint when?
>>48049169
it scoops to tokens
>>48048867
WHERE THE DANK DWELLERS AT
>>48049328
Modern masters 3
And they will be mythic rarity.
>>48049313
Jund players are really the worst, bar none, I've never met a whinier or more stubborn player.
>>48049328
keep on dreaming my man
>>48049349
>I've never met a whinier or more stubborn player.
Never played against a Jeskai control player?
>>48049328
Battle for Zendikar :^)
>>48049326
Considering that Abrupt Decay gets rid of Blood Moon, I'd say that you don't play against very good Jund players.
Also, Jund usually 4 basics.
>>48049364
>Never played against a Jeskai control player?
Actually, you're totally correct, they are actually worse. Thank you for reminding me how much I hate them.
>>48049392
>Abrupt Decay
Also requires two basics at that point, and if they already fetched into shocks, have fast lands, or basically anything, they're SOL.
Also, I have played against decent ones before, it's pretty tough, I've gotta admit. That doesn't change the fact that it's usually a wash though, especially when I surg extract their Decay's, and counter all of their other removal.
>yfw you out topdeck a Tron player
>>48049169
Jund is an underdog against a fair number of decks, but it doesn't fold to anything outright.
Ramp strategies (Scapeshift, Tron etc.) are good against Jund, as are token and Dredge decks
So I've a question
I am starting to get into modern and one of the things recommended to me was a burnesque deck. Which seems fun, fast and damage.
The question is how does burn win if they have to clear the board? If I end up lightning bolting all of my opponents creatures Ill eventually run out of cards and they'll just be able to beat face wont they?
What is a good deck vs Tron (most popular types) and Burn?
The scene here is about 50/50 split with those 2 decks. I wanna wreck face.
>>48049419
>Also requires two basics at that point
Not if they have BG open when you cast Blood Moon
>Tap out for BG
>Blood Moon resolves
>End of step Abrupt Decay Blood Moon.
>>48049456
Most of the time you'll be bolting/burning them and not their creatures
>>48049419
>it's usually a wash though, especially when I surg extract their Decay's, and counter all of their other removal
Yeah, you tend to win the games where you draw all of your relevant spells at the right time.
Also, you can stop blood moon by just leaving mana up to tap your lands for Abrupt Decay in response to Blood Moon.
>>48049456
When playing burn, you almost always want to aim burn spells at the face, regardless of what the board looks like. Bolting your opponent's creatures will slow them down, but it also slows you down too which is the opposite of what you want.
>>48049395
Jeskai players just loooove to sit back and smell their own farts in a wine glass
>>48049487
>>48049474
So essentially, I just gotta race the opponent
>>48049461
Infect?
>>48049516
Just count to twenty my man and keep bolting your opponent.
>>48049516
Yes.
The rule of thumb for most decks is that you should make the play that gives you the best chance of winning rather than making the play that simply delays you from losing (unless you're left with no alternative).
Here's the most famous example of the philosophy in practice:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4t0pzLnSWw0
>>48049516
Pretty much. Try running an extra searing blaze of some searing bloods.
>>48049461
WWr pile of shit with Kor Firewalker, Leyline of Sanctity, Stony Silence, Thalia, Phyrexian Revoker, Ghost Quarter and Blood Moon in the main.
Or something like that.
>>48049574
I just wish someone would edit the video so it's a Bonfire.
>>48049461
>What is a good deck vs Tron and Burn?
Twin.
>tfw your brew actually works against T1/T2 decks
>>48049756
Twin isn't real.
>>48049523
That's there answer for everything.
>>48049763
Mind sharing your brew anon?
>>48049764
It died for our sins.
>>48049779;^)
Is Dredge really that bad of a deck?
I'm looking to buy something that won't get the ban hammer, has format staying power, and is competitive. Dredge dies to one card right? How are 2 versions of it placing so high?
My ideas
>UTron
>Ad Nauseum
>Merfolk
>Dredge
>Mono Green Aggro (cheap!)
>8 Whack
What would you pick if you had to piece together a deck over a year? I don't have a lot of expendable income. Please help. I love you.
>>48049903
Format is all about killing opponent as fast as possible, so merfolk seems like obvious choice.
...but then again it's pretty boring to play.
>>48049465
>>48049475
You have a point, but generally when I drop blood moon they don't have mana up.
Yes, I understand that I'm probably just getting lucky, but generally they spent their last turn trying to cast something and having it get countered, they're tapped out, I cast blood moon, they're literally just fucked.
So, which deck works best against Storm solitary?
>>48049903
Merfolk is probably the best deck on your list, Ad Nauseum and Dredge are capable of faster kills but are also much softer to sideboard hate.
>>48049903
AN or merfolk are your best options
dredge as a runner up
>>48049963
what cards does AN get hated by? All you can SB is artifact hate to delay them, but you're delaying yourself by casting said artifact hate.
>>48049903
utron is not competitive, aggro decks are too fast for it and any BGx deck will tear it to pieces
ad nauseam is super weak to sideboard cards and has no real way to fight them other than crossed fingers
merfolk is the best deck on that list but is also boring as fuuuck
idk why dredge is placing i havent seen it played around here
i played a super fine tuned mono green aggro list for like a year, its really not that good but you can do it if youre a good player (pro tip, use aspect of the hydra)
8rack is fundamentally a bad deck do not play it
>>48049903
>What would you pick if you had to piece together a deck over a year? I don't have a lot of expendable income. Please help. I love you.
Burn.
Or elves maybe, I've been wanting to play elves for a while now.
>>48049991
Discard effects and Surgical Extraction/Slaughter Games are often free wins against Ad Nauseum.
>>48049995
>ad nauseam is super weak to sideboard cards
Not really. The most common problem cards are stony silence and blood moon, which can be dealt with with your own sideboard cards. Artifact removal is nice against ad nauseam, but it is only really effective if the ad nauseam player has a bad start and even if they do, they are likely to have more than one ramp artifact. The only really effective hate spells are extremely narrow as they are only useful against the ad nauseam matchup.
>>48050021
Ad nauseam plays 4 leylines in the sideboard. Any deck with enough discard effects to justify surgical extraction will likely mean that the ad nauseam player will bring in those leylines; in otherwords, the ad nauseam player is more likely to get protection for your game winning hate than you are to draw it, unless if you play 4, but that would only hurt your other matchups.
>>48049903
It's fun as fuck to play and while it suffers from hate as if it was a combo deck the hate is not as reliable as to what the "real" dredge decks in legacy/vintage have to deal with (t1 tutor cage durr)
I think the card you'll learn to hate the most is going to be Anger of the Gods as that can actually cockblock you in several ways and is rather popular mainboard choice as well.
>>48050021
what is surgical extraction going to do?
and slaughter games is on the slowside and even if it resolves, most AN lists run 2 wincons.
you've got a point with discard effects, although AN usually runs 4x leyline's
>>48050020
This. I own both elves and burn. Both are fun but I preferelves
Working on throught the breach whith Valakut as as second wincon. Any tips ?
Land (25)
4x Cinder Glade
2x Forest
6x Mountain
4x Stomping Ground
3x Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle
2x Windswept Heath
4x Wooded Foothills
Instant (10)
4x Lightning Bolt
2x Summoner's Pact
4x Through the Breach
Creature (13)
3x Courser of Kruphix
1x Dragonlord Atarka
1x Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
4x Primeval Titan
4x Sakura-Tribe Elder
Sorcery (12)
2x Anger of the Gods
4x Farseek
2x Scapeshift
4x Search for Tomorrow
Sideboard (15)
2x Ancient Grudge
2x Anger of the Gods
1x Boil
2x Crumble to Dust
2x Obstinate Baloth
1x Pithing Needle
2x Relic of Progenitus
1x Shatterstorm
2x Summoning Trap
>>48049774
>>48049523
No guys. Infect is awful against burn. They have 20 spells maindeck that kill all your infect creatures, or force you to use pumps on your opponents turn.
>>48050081
>even if it resolves
Can't be countered
>what is surgical extraction going to do?
I'm honestly just not going to dignify this with a proper responce, if you don't know what it's going to do to your shitty fragile combo deck, then I think you're a bit too retarded for magic.
>>48050061
I don't think you've ever played against an intellegent player in your life. Playing your deck against kitchen table scrubs who have no way of stopping a leyline doesn't count as playing magic.
>>48050160
http://mtgtop8.com/archetype?a=355&meta=51&f=MO
>>48050218
>http://mtgtop8.com/archetype?a=355&meta=51&f=MO
>Hurr durr, instead of actually responding I'm just going to post a link
>>48050160
>ever resolves
If you can cast it before the ad nauseam player wins.
>surgical extraction
See what I said about leyline; its not going to do much unless the ad nauseam player keeps a bad hand.
>no way of stopping leyline
By turn 4 or 5? You are hopping to get a combination of dedicated enchantment hate, a thoughtseize, and surgical extraction against a deck that needs less cards to combo off and has more cantrip. Even if we assume you play a playset of all of those spells, the odds are still against you winning before the ad nauseam player does.
>>48050254
yes instead of typing up a reply to convince a retard that AN is a competitive deck, I'm just going to post solid proof for my claim.
the joke is that I don't even play AN
>>48050268
>>48050268
>If you can cast it before the ad nauseam player wins.
I can give you this for most decks, Abzan company, Storm, and Living End are going to resolve this before you can stop them though.
Surgical will seriously neuter your deck, unless you keep a hand with a Leyline. If I start the game T1 Thoughtseize Ad Nauseum, pay two life Surgical Extraction, that's game over.
As for leyline itself, again, it depends, if you actually have it, a lot of decks do have turn 2 or 3 pieces of enchantment hate.
Not to mention if those decks are playing white, they probably drop a stony silence to slow you down.
>>48050301
He never said it's not competitive, he said that it's not unstoppable.
But yes, clearly, the guy who's trying to convince these faggots that their deck, CAN INFACT, be beaten, is the one who's retarded.
Guys, I'm making a deck that combines the forces of Tooth and Nail and Gifts Ungiven to make a resilient combo that can consistently go off turn 3/4 - without disruption of course.
Should I call it "Teeth Ungiven" or "Gifts and Nail" at my next Modern Tournament?
>>48050395
>Naming your decks
Enjoy your 0-3 drop.
>>48050301
Like >>48050357 said
I'm not saying it's not competitive, I'm just pointing out the deck is weak to sideboard cards, because all of these other fucking assholes seem to believe the deck is untouchable.
>>48050395
Call it Summer Bloom Twin Combo
>>48050408
Ah c'mon anon, what's wrong with getting a little flavour with your creations? Last I checked Magic was for having fun inbetween getting them pro points.
>>48050395
how about you actually get placed before coming up with dank names
>>48050142
Cinderglades are bad. elder/S4T can't tutor them out to be a wincon (THIS IS REALLY FUCKING IMPORTANT IN THIS DECK BTW since the whole reason to play valabreach is to reach a point where your entire deck is supposed to be a killing draw unless you get one of your basic forests) and they can cockblock your starting hand from having a proper ramping curve. I'm running 9 fetches and 7 mountains and when I tried any less than that I hated my life.
Put Summoning Traps into your mainboard and kick the coursers out. the #1 targets you will be preying on are controldecks and you need Traps to overpower blue hands (endstep trap, get countered, untap breach). With your creature list your breach is considerably weaker than it should be as you're often gonna be lacking actual fatties to breach out and ->win the game immediately<- which is the whole purpose of breach. When are you ever going to have an Atarka on hand and not wish it was an Emrakul instead?
for SB: sudden shocks are very popular as it helps with dumb combo decks that can be actually bad matchups for you like nauseam or le ebin viscera seer infinites. VS Storm you're going to lose no matter what you do, relic or not.
>>48050340
So, only black white decks? The thing is combo is usually a good matchup for BGX decks so they don't need to bring in surgical extraction and even if they do it woudn't be as a play set. Of course this assume the ad nauseam player doesn't keep a hand with leyline game 2/3.
Leyline isn't worth bringing in enchantment hate against ad nauseam, as jund/junk have abrupt decay for the only other relevant enchantment and are already favored against ad nauseam. Surgical extraction isn't even necessary for these decks for this reason. That leaves only a few other decks that would bother running thoughtseize + surgical. What deck would have a matchup bad enough to justify thoughtseize + surgical + enchantment removal in the color that happens to be the strongest against ad nauseam?
>>48050426
They'll never see it coming.
So it looks like Dredge vs Ad Nauseum vs Merfolk.
There is a Dredge list that is downright budget getting a lot of 5-0 placings. But does Dredge have staying power? It sounds like once people know what I play locally Dredge would be dead in the water.
Ad Nauseum seems a nice compromise of price and competive.
Merfolk isn't that bad but Aether Vial prices make me sad sad sad.
>>48050467
So blue decks don't have dispel?
Every deck doesn't have Chalice on Zero or even One?
Green decks don't have dedicated artifact/enchantment removal like Krosan Grip?
Red decks don't just literally outpace you?
This conversation has caused me physical pain. God bless you, I hope someday he'll give you more wisdom.
2 Sorin, Solemn Visitor
4 Lightning Bolt
3 Lightning Helix
4 Path to Exile
3 Inquisition of Kozilek
4 Lingering Souls
2 Thoughtseize
3 Bitterblossom
4 Intangible Virtue
4 Spectral Procession
1 Vault of the Archangel
3 Raise the Alarm
1 Terminate
4 Arid Mesa
1 Blood Crypt
3 Godless Shrine
4 Marsh Flats
2 Plains
2 Sacred Foundry
1 Swamp
3 Blackcleave Cliffs
1 Fetid Heath
1 Rugged Prairie
//Sideboard
SB: 2 Crumble to Dust
SB: 1 Dreadbore
SB: 2 Duress
SB: 2 Rest in Peace
SB: 2 Stony Silence
SB: 2 Timely Reinforcements
SB: 2 Slaughter Games
SB: 2 Suppression Field
Rate my BWr tokens guys. Haven't actually bought most of the deck, but it has been working really well online.
>>48050459
Well, I like Atarka because she isn't a dead draw without Breach in hand. Some competitive RG Breach decks don't even run Emy so I figured I could allow myself to only run one.
Sudden Shock is a great idea, I will definitely make room to add at least one copy if not two in the SB.
Is getting rid of coursers that good of an idea ? Most builds run either 2 to 3 Oracle of Mul Daya/Courser.
>>48050545
>dispel
Pact of negation exists. The blue player has to play something eventually
>chalice
We board in artifact/enchantment hate game 2 as well against decks likely to play that.
>krosan grip
Natures' claim is much less narrow than Krosan Grip and gets the job done in most situations, but is weak against lotus bloom. Besides, if a green player is wasting his turn 3 removing an ramp artifact, you are in pretty good shape regardless as it means you can survive until turn 5/6 even without hazes/graces/unlife.
>red outpaces you
Except ad nauseam combo has mainboard burn hate in the form of angel's grace and phyrexian unlife as well as sideboard cards like leylines and ethereal haze depending on the variant of burn.
Really, what you should have mentioned is infect. Even Jund/Junk without the surgical extractions is good against ad nauseam. The main point of that discussion was to demonstrate why it would be pointless for a deck to run surgical if they also ran thoughtsiezesthey already have the advantage and would just be wasting sideboard slots.
>>48050712
>ethereal haze in AN
oh shit nigga what are you doing
On a scale of 1 to 10 how janky are we getting here? I personally think we can go deeper.
>>48050970
If we are going to jank all the shits, why not just go for the griselbrand + combo route? It's pretty fucking dank compraed to progenitus.
>>48047849
Lantern decks maindeck surgical extraction, and many don't rely on mill to win at all.
>>48051000
Grizzlebrizzle is an actual deck though, not some janky bullshit. And it doesn't really have space for wacky shinanagins like this, the deck's SB is already super tight.
>>48050962
Ethereal haze and Darkness are common sideboard cards in ad nauseam as they are strong against infect, affinity, and a variety of creature based aggro decks as they act as effective time walks against these decks, depending on what color you prefer using it on. I prefer ethereal haze as it is both consistent with the color needed to angel's grace and easier to play on turns where you want to combo off; as you only need either two black mana sources or three with spoils of the vault as opposed to three and four black mana.
What's a good deck with maindeck bloodmoons, and lots of card filtering to get them?
>>48051097
Skred?
>>48049903
dredge folds pretty hard to graf digger's cage, rip (game over), and leyline of the void (game over); i agree most people only have 1-3 of these in their board for modern, but if they hit them it's usually over from 1 card.
>>48051097
i don't know, maybe blue would be good
yeah try brewing that and come up with a catchy name when you're done
something like Red Moon or Blue Blood
>>48047786
>I don't get it. If specific types of cards are easily banned because they say they don't want them, why would they print new ones (selling large amounts of packs to their modern target audience) while banning old ones?
Ftfy
I have an pretty large modern meta for FNM(80+ people), though it isn't diverse at all and you guys talk about alot of decks that I've never seen played.
Please explain how the following work:
>jund
>lantern control
>ad nauseam
>dredge
>living end
Thank you for your help.
Best budget modern deck?
I personally feel spending half a grand or more on 75 pieces of little thin cardboard is asinine.
>>48051622
>jund
B/G/X (traditional jund is bgr) aggro archetype that just goes by the idea of playing cards that are better than other cards (bob, goyf, liliana, ...) and out-value the opponent
>lantern control
pray to god you'll never see it, it's an artifact control deck aiming to fuck up your draws
>ad nauseam
combo deck with ad nauseam, phyrexian unlife & laboratory maniac to deck itself
>dredge
graveyard based b/g aggro
>living end
graveyard based combo deck, cascades into living end
>>48051622
>Jund
Jund is a staple deck, it is one of the oldest decks in Modern. The principal of the deck is this.
Efficient cheap spells, that either 2for1 or 1for1 you in such a manner that the Jund player comes out a head.
Cheap beaters, such as Tarmogoyf, quickly widdle your life total.
Card advantage engines, such as Dark Confidant, lead to your opponent having more answers than you have questions.
>Latern Control
Using Latern of Insight, Targeted Discard, and Codex Shredder, the Latern player prevents you from playing spells you want to play.
Using Mox opal, they quickly out accelerate you.
Using Ensnaring Bridge, the prevent your only options of hurting them from actually doing anything.
>Ad Naus
This deck functions by using Lotus Bloom and Pentad Prism to ramp into Ad Nauseum and Angels Grace/Phyrexian Unlife to reveal their entire library and put it into their hand.
They then use free mana from sources such as Simian Spirit Guide to cast a game winning spell, whether it be Lightning Storm, Conflagrate, or Labaratory Maniac+any draw spell.
>Dredge
They mill themselves on purpose, get free creatures doing so, and then cast spells from their graveyard to make those creatures better.
>Living End
They cycle creatures from their hand into their graveyard, then once there's a pile of creatures in there, they use a cascade to cast Living End, putting all of those creatures onto the battlefield.
I hope this helps, if you have more speciifc questions I'll be happy to answer them.
>>48051696
Burn
>>48051696
Same, but it can't be helped.
Budget infect is decent, though even the full price version is "cheap" gameplaywise
>>48051746
>>48051741
Thank you guys.
I'm thinking of going to a gp this november, but my local FNM has a bunch of people playing infect, affinity, or tron and knowing only 3 decks won't likely prepare me for that.
>>48051918
>I'm thinking of going to a gp
>but explain to me how jund works first
baby steps my man, baby steps
We should make more charts like this, based on other decks.
>>48051965 This
>>48051918
Listen man, if you wanna play at a gp and expect to win, you need to at least go read deck lists and watch videos.
It would be best if you played agaisnt these decks, but if you can't, then you'll just have to actually look into them.
I learned that shit the hard way at my first GP.
>>48051987
well, nobody's stopping you
>>48052082
I only play burn tho, I don't know fuckall about what is going on in a Jund player's head.
>>48052082
did I do gud?
>>48051746
Thanks anon
>>48047586
we legacy now?
>>48051991
>>48051965
Ok, I'll try to learn these things before i go.
Thank you for helping a relatively new player.
>>48052607
Que es el decko por favor?
>>48052648
Young Reanimater
pic related it's the sideboard
>>48052304
I keked. I hate control players, not necessarily control decks
>>48052607
>no Griselbrand in a reanimator deck
interdasting
>>48052728
well there's no reason. there's no combo and elesh norn locks out fair decks and iona locks out unfair decks so in what matchup would you want grisebrand?
>>48047615
This will end up being banned
>>48049461
>What is a good deck vs Tron (most popular types) and Burn?
Combo decks. Spell based combo decks like Storm and Ad Nauseam. In fact Ad Nauseam is pretty good against both.
>>48052818
I have it as a toolbox card. Drawing seven cards at instant speed is a huge boon in games where Iona or Elesh Norn won't do much good. I don't know how well it works in anything but UB/B reanimator, but it's pretty much the go-to in those decks for its versatility.
>>48052890
in ub reanimater you use it to draw force most of the time and protect grisebrand or yourself
most games I end up not even winning through reanimater since young pyro pumps out so many tokens but hey, they're different decks with different goals so grisebrand suits ub better
>>48052818
you can shove elesh and iona up your ass vs both miracles and lands
the two best decks of the format :^)
pretty good reason to be able to draw 7-14 cards at instant speed early on
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/akroan-forge-masters/
Hey all, there's no /casual/ up right now so can you guys r8 this deck I just made up?
Yo I'm very interested in builing reanimator for legacy, and I can get that graveborn deck for $50.
Is it a good buy, considering I want as many foils as possible?
>>48052959
>iona naming white so no terminus or swords
>iona naming green so no life from the loam
are you retarded? plus what cards are you drawing in those games that matters?
>>48052969
Take out those enchantments senpai, they're bad. There are a trillion better spells you could be memeing it up with.
Young Pyromancter, Lightning bolt, Titan's Strength, Assault Strobe, lightning Helix just to name a few.
>>48047623
>Hol' up. What's tier 1 to you?
>tier 1 to you
>to you
>to you
>TO YOU
>TWO U
>UU
AHHHHH NO DADDY DON'T COUNTERSPELL ME AGAIN AAGHA PLEASE I'LL BE GOOOOD
>>48052997
>jace bounces your iona back
>maze of ith delays your iona forever, intuition for crucible, academy & tabernacle (or gamble i guess)
why are you calling people retarded if you've literally never played legacy before
>>48053192
>Ha, I imaginarily beat you in a pretend game of magic by naming cards
Wow, you sure showed him. We all know you can't win against anyone in magic, because they'll always have the perfect clutch against your deck
>come back from 6 month hiatus, stayed out of the loop
>twin is banned, bloom is banned, tron is king and infect is queen
>nahiri is a deck now
what the fuck you guys? I leave for five minutes and this is the meta i come back to
>>48053042
>Young Pyrosphincter
what the fuck?
>>48053248
>tron is king and infect is queen
U wot m8?
Are we playing the same format?
>>48053241
because having/finding/forcing jace is unlikely if you can cast blue spells freely right
because having a maze of ith is unlikely right
iona is not exactly the fastest of clocks either, I've beaten a bunch of ionas on the field with lands, you just can't stop these decks by naming 1 colour
the real mvp in the lands matchup is actually tidespout tyrant btw and even that is really hard because of all the mana denial. just ass matchups in general for reanimator but calling someone retarded and saying "LOL MUH IONA NAMES WHITE FOR MIRACLES AUTOWIN XDDD" is just objectively dumpster tier and lack of knowledge
>>48053282
Idk but I haven't been playing it at all, just going off what I've heard from friends and on 4chun
>>48053310
Your friends are wrong
>>48053248
Sounds like you dodged the Eldrazi winter.
>>48053248
tron is actually fairly weak now
the eye of ugin ban really messed up some matchups
nahiri isnt really "a deck" she's just a nice win condition for (jeskai) control because she also cycles cards and answers some permanents, everything you could want
infect was always fucking cancer bullshit in modern
>>48053042
Thanks for the suggestions, but how would you use them given the deck?
>>48053286
please look at the decklist again. although the reanimation package is in the deck, the rest of the deck is young Pyro and bloodghast beats along with lingering souls. since you can't possibly maze of ith ALL the tokens it and against miracles you name white so you can't get your board of tokens cleared
Your not going to reanimate iona on a empty board by itself in this deck like a traditional ub reanimation deck.
I honestly don't think you have ever played nor had a legacy deck
>>48052607
>>48052678
This is the first time I've saved a decklist from /tg/ in like 5 years.
>>48053545
oh thank you so much
>>48053581
It looks filthy.
Reanimator is just a traditional control deck with Reanimator as the win-condition. And that's just kinda boring because you can play control in Standard. I really like how Reanimator just slots into this shell; it will be fun to play with and against whether or not its good. It's too bad Legacy is dead.
>>48053707
Yeah that's what the main idea was when conceiving the deck
And around where I live ( south Florida) there's a pretty healthy legacy scene to be honest
Like the whole South Florida Magic guys really picked up the popularity of the format in the last couple years
But I totally see in other parts of the country legacy is non-existant
Should I main Dredge or Ad Nauseum?
I wanna be a player that sticks to one deck throughout time.
>>48053911
>asking others to choose the deck you'll play forever
>>48052880
Storm is bad and virtually cannot win against Burn
>>48053143
Kek
>>48053911
If you never ever wanna risk change, Ad Nauseum is the less likely of the 2 to just get hosed out of existence and never get support again.
>>48054264
Really?
Obviously you can't rely on electromancer, but it doesn't really care about its life total and should be able to outrun burn with just ascension/past in flames a decent chunk of the time.
Probably not 50%, its still a shit deck, but I wouldn't think it would be unwinnable.
>>48054588
>but it doesn't really care about its life total
you're forced to care about it vs burn
and then you realize how insanely fucked you are
g1 eidolon is autofold btw L O L
>>48054645
Bolt?
>>48052997
Karakas ruins your day, and I know miracles plays at least one.
>>48054700
does bolt generate mana and/or draw spells? if not, you're not maindecking that shit in modern storm
you're not gonna cripple your maindeck potential to go off to counter 1 specific creature in 1 specific matchup
if you get super situationally lucky you can grapeshot it and go off after though
Alright gents,
I'm the guy from the last thread who was brewing up a Villainous wealth tron list. I put it up on tapped out before i left work, so I'll post a link here when I get home. I playtested it on there once, and I found it simple and effective, but the landbase needs work. Though I may have gotten a "god hand" or so it goes.
I built it the way I did because I own every card pn the list, but I'll take any suggestions into serious consideration.
>>48054979
Seems bad. Not even guaranteed to win the game. Just use Genesis wave or something. You can control that more.
http://www.mtggoldfish.com/price/Coldsnap/Allosaurus+Rider#paper
LOL
>>48055302
??? ???
>>48055330
Because of the new Natural Order
>>48055330
It spiked because of Eldritch Evolution. Which is a bit ridiculous of course. Like the Steamflogger Boss spike a month ago.
>>48055346
>>48055352
That's fucking stupid. There's no way the 3-for-1 is worth it for so vulnerable a combo.
>>48055362
>>48055352
>>48055346
Which begs the question, what are you looking to get for CMC 9 or less with Allosaurus Rider?
>>48055474
Griselbrand
>>48047786
They don't test for modern, they just print cards for standard, draft, and sealed then clean up the older formats with bans.
>>48055508
Isn't there an easier way?
>>48055560
Not without Entomb
>>48055629
Seems like i'd rather just play Protean Hulk combo instead. Even with stuff like Grafdigger's or Gravehate I can always switch in the Venser+Greater Gargadon combo as well as using Through the Breach.
>>48047615
Enjoy it before it's banned in modern.
>>48055666
>why play NEW THING when you could play OLD THING
Why do anything at all
I'll just curl up in a corner and fucking die
>>48055807
It just seems like NEW THING is less efficient than OLD THING trying to do almost the same thing.
>>48047615
What game winning 8 drops are there in modern that just kinda win on the spot with little effort
>>48055858
Grislebrand
>>48048867
This looks nifty with some tweaking.
>>48048768
>Why not run this in 8 rack
Yes.
>>48055877
Turn 2 tasigur into turn 3 grislebrand seems good
>>48055474
Ashen Rider
Iona
Elesh Norn
>>48056082
>Turn 2 Tasigur
>Turn 3 Elesh Norn
GGWP
>>48055858
Why stop at 8.
Go turn 3 Ashen Rider into turn 4 Jin-Gitaxias.
>>48056142
>>48056082
If this thing isn't on the ban list to start it just fucking confirms Wizards wants to jew more packs of the set.
>>48056213
You want the standard general
>>48056247
Well fuck, I can't read. Sorry, folks.
>>48056183
It only took until now for you to realize that?
>>48049364
>>48049395
>>48049504
>always loved control
>played it forever even though it was a complete waste of money
>even played it in eldrazi winter
>now it's finally good again
>everybody hates me
I-I'm fine
>>48056285
Jeskai is the most annoying durdlefest you can play against
I have no sympathy for you
>>48056283
What are the best ways to get magic cards without giving Jewbro money?
Is it like video games where they don't get as much if you purchase from secondary markets?
>>48056302
at least nahiri speeds up the win a lot now, I used to win with sphinx rev, colonnade beats and random walkers
Where is the best place to shop for deals on expensive cards?
I want to get into memedern. I am also poor. I can save up money for a while though. Maybe 6 months from now I can get a deck.
How did you get your first good deck?
Pic related. It's delivery for me.
>>48056832
There is no special site for "deals"
Most people who deal in Magic know exactly what the value of the cards is and won't sell for less.
If you want cards for cheap you need to scam little children
>>48047615
>https://www.magiccardmarket.eu/Products/Singles/Coldsnap/Allosaurus+Rider
ayy
>>48047615
>>48056183
Players have always loved toolbox cards but creature toolbox decks have always felt significantly less fair and more powerful than something like mystical teachings builds (which are way cooler) so creature toolbox cards that put creatures into play like CoCo, GSZ, Pod and Chord will always bring the hype elves to spoiler seasons because people love silver bullets and creature combos
>>48053192
You picked bad examples though since Jace and Maze of Ith don't see a lot of play in legacy, Karakas is probably a better land to wreck Iona since death and taxes is so popular for lack of dual lands needed and supposedly the deck that gets hit the hardest by her
>>48052969
>>48053409
Bump for advice!
>>48056849
What's the best way to scam little children? Why do Jews own the secondary market? How can anyone justify spending this much money on a simple card game? Who are the dummies opening enough sealed product to get the cards out?
MTG players seem to have made horrible life choices.
Should I go to a bank and get a loan for a modern deck? Or should I sell one of my kidneys?
I make 30 an hour, should I work two weeks without food and ignore my gas tank, rent, utilities, and internet bills?
Please advise.
>>48054789
>EOT Karakas your Iona
>untap
>bounce my own clique
>clique Iona
Miracles gets more fun with every addition
>>48057033
Nigger if you're on that much and don't have anything saved up you've made some bad decisions in your life.
>>48057203
I have money saved up for my kids college fund. For me and my wife's retirement. For family vacation.
I don't have a MTG savings account.
>>48049206
now that is some magical christmasland shit if i've ever seen it
>>48057347
A $1000 deck can be sold for $1000 at a later date. Hell if prices keep rising like they do then you can actually make money.
>>48047586
How do I make this deck better?
>30 Creatures
Relentless Rats x 18
Ravenous Rats x4
Pack Rat x 4
Marrow Gnawer x 1
Rat Catcher x 2
Filth x1
>10 artifacts
Coat of Arms x1
Konda's Banner x 1
Aether Vial x 4
Thrumming Stone x 4
>9 Sorceries/Instants
Tragic Slip x 2
Doom Blade x 3
Inquisition of Kozilek x 1
Thoughtseize x 3
>20 Lands
Basic Swamp x15
Swarmyard x4
Urborg, Tome of Yawgmoth x 1
I feel like this isn't a terrible set up, and I have to thank >>48056124 for the thrumming stones. Is there anything else I should add/replace other cards with to make this deck better?
I've tried it a few times, but it hasn't been working too well.
>tfw shitters fell for the allosaurus meme
Cant wait for this shitfest to fall flat on its face like Thopter-Sword. These fucks dont even realize Eldritch Evolution is nuts even without that stupid 3-for-1 combo. They couldve thought of something actually good like Archdruid #5-6 in Elves or more tools for Kiki-Chord, but nope, lets get that second turn griselbrand/iona
>>48057406
Like splinter twin?
>>48057622
I'm pretty sure a UR Twin list is worth more now than before the ban.
Neat
Super spicy burn tech?
>>48058184
This would be amazing if you could pick the same mode twice.
What you lads think about this?
>>48058252
>bantamiyo
>survives the bolt test
>+1 draws you cards
>-2 is frostbreath
>ult is draw 3 + omniscience
I like it, however I pity anyone who still plays standard. WG goodstuff is already a frustrating deck to play against. This is just more goodstuff
>>48057591
Would swarm of rats be worth adding as a finishing blow, or is it too risky?
>>48056974
You're forgetting the other two green cards that you need in your hand for this to work.
>>48058223
It's still a cute card, I could see it in some decks
>>48058467
Woops, not Swarm of Rats I meant Crypt Rats, my bad
>>48058627
Well 2B and you're basically casting kologhan's command. A shame it's a sorcery, same with pieces of the puzzle.
>>48058252
Is there any reason that this card also costs green and white?
Did they think it would be too good in standard as 2UU or something?
>>48058671
>2B
>Kommand
??????
Familia Kommand is a one shot 1BR 2-for-1, this is a 1B 1-for-1 at best.
And that's only assuming the card you discard to it is worse than the one you Standardsieze from them and kill something that doesn't pass the Shock test.
>>48058672
It's standard, we can't have good things in Standard that aren't Green or White. Those are the FUN colors that kids love playing, and kids love opening sealed product.
>>48058252
Why are Bant decks not really that strong in modern? On mtgtop8 there's only two right now.
>>48058252
>+1
Draws cards:
- If your board state is aggressive and you attack, or if you have creatures that will be blocking on your opponent's turn.
- Targeting your opponent's creatures discourages them from attacking you or Tamiyo.
>-2
Taps problematic creatures/artifacts, and again may be used aggressively or defensively.
>-7
Decent Ult if she lives 4+ turns.
I'm liking this is Modern Bant Knightfall.
She can help the aggressive or defensive boardstate, draw you cards to find the combo, and her ult lets you cast a RtC for free.
There is no way Red Donate won't at least make a good control/combo deck.
There's Immortal coil. What else?
