ITT post the cringiest sections of RPG books.
>>48023532
someone hasn't read the original Infernals splat for Exalted.
or the Lunar splat and it's extensive charm chart dedicated to breeding.
>>48023541
isnt this from cthulhutech?
Man, Lovecraft must be spinning in his grave...
>>48023629
Then go ahead and post 'em.
I was trying to limit it to mostly the absolute worst of any particular book, rather than 'the entire chapter 1 of Exalted Infernals' or 'all of Changing Breeds'.
>>48023629
I have, long ago, decided to stop criticizing Exalted.
I genuinely think it is one of the worst games ever conceived, a game you could spend an eternity listing everything wrong with it, but at the end of the day, it's a traditional game, so people should feel free to discuss it as much as they want here, even if I consider it and its influence to be gaming poison.
>ITT anything dealing with sex in RPG books
>>48023698
here's the illustrating comic to go with that lovely bit of text.
i'm still not sure how this got all the way to the public without someone thinking "hmm, maybe we shouldn't publish something describing child rape, and DEPICTING imminent child rape?"
>>48023541
>Lovecraftian setting
>get most well-looking and socially acceptable traits possible
He never asked for this.
>>48023768
"And maybe we shouldn't have another section later in the book with COMPETITIVE child rape?"
>>48023728
It's because it's never handled well. Pic related. Numenera is really cool, but this whole book was unnecessary.
Also all of Fursona, but I don't own that one.
>>48023698
>>48023768
>>48023904
Jesus fucking Christ, I'm glad I never picked up Exalted in the first place. This is as bad as fucking Carcosa for shit's sake.
>>48023768
>>48023698
>>48023904
Damn, author certainly has really weird content in his fap folder. Where is it from?
Because mowing people down with black market assault weapons is one thing, but you've gotta draw the line somewhere.
>>48024013
That's kinda true, isn't it?
>>48023992
Manual of Exalted Power:Infernals, a supplement for Exalted (2nd Edition).
>>48024013
I know that's supposed to be cringey, but I grinned a little because it's kinda fucking awesome.
>>48023969
The Itty Bitty Kitty Committee demands Carcosa cringe now.
>>48024013
Well the lightest battle drug characters get in CP2020 is like super cocaine and the whole theme of the game is fucking up your body to get short term benefits
>>48023658
I doubt it, actually. If he was alive he wouldn't want to be associated with this shit, but he was big on the concept of basically all human morals and principles being transit fantasies and probably wouldn't be upset by weird sex stuff happening 100 years after his own death.
>>48024030
Cyberpunk's recreational drugs are ridiculously dangerous to the point where they don't seem commercially viable. For instance:
>Smash: Smash is 2020's answer to alcohol — it's yellow, foamy, and comes in cans. It makes you loose, happy and ready to party. The downside is that when it wears off, its psychological addiction component makes you suicidal. If you fail your addiction Save, you sink into total catatonia; a feebly mumbling ball of pain — a ripe target for some Booster looking for spare change.
>>48024078
Being preachy about drugs is awesome? Because chopping off limbs and replacing them with cybernetics is okay, but just say no to drugs, kids.
>>48024325
>Because chopping off limbs and replacing them with cybernetics is okay
No kid is dumb enough to think that if he chops his arm off he will get a better one with rocket launcher.
>>48023768
>DEPICTING imminent child rape?"
She's at least 18 by the year the comic depicts and probably in her early to mid 20s.
So she's a mentally shattered adult survivor of child rape who's about to be raped again. Which is much better, right?
>>48024377
She's mindbroken, there is no rape, technically.
>>48024387
> there is no rape, technically
You mean any sexual activity with her is rape because she can't give her consent?
>>48024325
>He doesn't drink until the hangover renders him a moaning ball of pain that can't remember his own name, let alone where he slept last night
>Every night
HahahahahahahakillmeIwanttodie.
>>48024387
That's not how that works.
>>48023698
>>48023768
>>48023904
>you gaze into somebody's magical realm and it gazes back
>>48023768
>>48023904
>>48023698
To be fair to Exalted (Yes, I know), Infernals was A) a 'villain' splat, B) not that good anyway, and C) subject to a massive miscommunication that split the book in half between "Infernals are baby raping monster demon gods of edge out to skin the universe apart" and "Infernals are ultra dark byronic heroes with massive flaws that still might save the universe". All this shit is from the former parts, which the Exalted fanbase basically agreed to pretend never existed.Exalted is still shit and its fanbase is just the fucking worst, but I felt the need to correct things anyway
>>48024415
No, It's because she is an insane rotting bloated sack of demon-soul fetuses, which mumbles curses and masturbates with lower demons while no one is watching.
>>48024093
IIRC it's dozen pages of meticulously described human sacrifices that have to be done in very specific way to fuel specific spells. It loses its shock value after second page.
>>48024494
Infernals was the best splat of the edition, easily.
And the first half was good.
>>48024325
>Because chopping off limbs and replacing them with cybernetics is okay
Did you even skim through the manual? Doing stuff like that makes your characters literally go crazy.
>>48024093
>>48024558
Page one of the bullshit. It continues for like a third of the book.
>>48023698
>>48023768
Jesus fuck what the hell?
>>48024691
And yet there's no "just say no to cybernetics" disclaimer.
>>48023768
what the
what the fuck am i looking at
context????????
>>48024730
Honestly? I'm cringing more at the standardized fantasy heartbreaker tone and vocabulary more than the autistically detailed human sacrifices. This shit might be neat in a game where binding and banishing eldritch horrors was a key game activity. And it wasn't quite so obsessively detailed. And it wasn't a third of the book.
>>48024790
You're right, after all illegal bionic limb market is causing a lot of damage to society since the last Corporate War.
No disclamers about using guns and mind hacking viruses either!
>>48024790
Are you really so butt hurt that an rpg said "drugs are bad"?
>>48024823
Look at the prior and subsequent posts with texts about Lillun. That's what you're looking at. And then >>48024044
>>48024823
Its part of a late 00's Whitewolf villain spaltbook.
>>48024839
>standardized fantasy heartbreaker
What is it with some people and adopting the jargon of every half-baked podcast they run across as if it's common parlance?
>>48024013
>WINNERS DONT DO DRUGS
>In a really kinda Pink Mohawk cyberpunk game
Someone post that White Wolf bit about pronouns
Or any of the *World shit about X Cards and triggers
>>48023532
>her
Of fucking course.
>>48024839
Lesson 1 for authors in fantasy, whether novels or RPGs: don't try to write like Dunsany or Vance just because you've read them. On that path lies incompetence.
>>48024994
"Fantasy heartbreaker" is a pretty old term by now. Sorry you haven't paid attention to game design since the '90s.
>>48023541
I like how the only dude has to be drawn from the back to avoid alien dong.
>>48024994
I originally encountered the term in a 90's gaming magazine which was talking about most of them being D&D + writer's "cool" houserules. The term is older than podcasts.
>>48025086
>"Fantasy heartbreaker" is a pretty old term by now
Which fell out of use and now raises brows. Whenever I see it being used about relatively modern games I assume poster is younger than he wants us to believe.
>>48024647
I personally like the Infernals a LOT.
This is because Infernals are meant to be horrible villains or really warped 'heroes' (i.e. heroes in their own mind.)
All this horrible shit is because the overriding reason for creating the Infernals is spite. They pick for people who could have been heroes, yes, but they're picking for people who are full of spite over not being chosen. As an Infernal, your appropriate mindset would be a superpowered school shooter.
A Solar backstory is something like you went up against your asshole of a brother when he tried to take the girl that you love. He's Dragon-blooded, you're not, you're going to make a stand anyway.
An Infernal Exaltation is that you fought dirty, you got your ass beat down like the bitch you are, then you come back with horrible powers and blight everyone to death, stalking from room to room wrecking as much havoc as possible. Then you rape the girl into insanity and flee, laughing, into the night. In your own mind you're just paying them all back for denying you what should have been yours.
Or after you get booted from command because you were taking bribes all these years and outshone by the guy who's clearly superior at his job, you come back and open the gates to the barbarian horde that proceeds to burn and kill and pillage everything. You lead them, and you laugh and laugh while you do it.
>>48025519
>Then you rape the girl into insanity and flee, laughing, into the night.
Or you sweep her off her feet with your awesome power, make her fall head over heels for you and then you just forget her.
>>48025086
>>48025180
I guess I got told. Well, better to be ashamed and educated than angry and ignorant.
>>48024994
I first encounter that term like a decade ago on the forge. What makes you think whatever podcast you listen to is the be all shitty end all?
Official adventure text from James Jacob, the big cheese of Pathfinder
>>48026684
Holy fuck, what an asshole.
>>48026684
See this shit? Never write anything before wanking off.
Does picking stuff from FATAL count as cheating?
>>48026684
Hot.
>>48027062
>>48027187
In fairness to him, it's supposed to be a 2edgy4u module that advertises the Book of Vile Darkness.
Surprisingly, the only thing that stopped other "mature" adventures was reader fallout.
>>48027418
>Teleport abduction
>But only when it's convenient for them!
Oh god. It burns.
>>48026684
>she
He knew exactly what he was writing
>>48027358
Damn, this thread goes far beyond my casual comprehension. Where is it from?
>>48027599
How did you get onto 4chan without being able to read?
>>48026684
What is this from?
>>48025355
>Which fell out of use and now raises brows.
Anon, you can just say "I didn't know that". You're anonymous, there's no need to make yourself look better online. You didn't realize the term was older than you, and that's OK.
>>48027712
Stop posting any time, newfriend. Maybe, go read the Forge whence it came from.
>>48024013
>>48025004
And remember, kids: stay in school.
>>48027736
I'm not the one who referred to a 14-year-old essay as a "half-baked podcast".
As other posters have stated, the term was already in use before 2002. It's fine that you're upset (that's a typical reaction to being shown your beliefs are incorrect), but namecalling doesn't do anything to help your case.
>>48027889
>I'm not the one who referred to a 14-year-old essay as a "half-baked podcast".
Neither am I. Take your time.
http://www.indie-rpgs.com/articles/9/
>>48027638
Porphyry House Horror from Dungeon Magazine.
>>48028290
loling at black sumo
>>48024013
>assault weapons
>>48028075
Yes, that's the article that people in this thread agree was not the first use of the term "fantasy heartbreaker".
You're not very good at arguing right now, but like all things in life, you'll probably get better at it as you get older.
>>48028290
Is there any, you know, official art of this?
>>48026684
>The attacks are being caused by a traumatized Gulguthydra
Okay, sounds inter-
>that was captured and polymorphed into a human woman and forced to serve in the Porphyry House.
Wizards. Not even once.
>Nobody posting Kender
>>48028368
Fear not, maybe next time you will come up with something beyond baseless assumptions and empty references
Where do you even begin with this?
>>48028311
>>48028381
I regret posting that. And yes, it did have poorly-rendered CGI "art". It's from the same guys who did the Fursona books for Pathfinder.
>>48028999
what's it called?
i have to see some of this shit
>>48029030
The hieroglyphs right from the picture are called latin alphabet. Legends are, that if someone read them one-by-one, they compile into something comprehensive.
>>48027358
pic comes from a page (528) of my copy of the pdf chosen at random using random.org. Using FATAL is definitely cheating.
>>48025042
There's none of that in Apocalypse World, Dungeon World, Sagas of the Icelanders, Monster of the Week, The Sprawl, Black Stars Rise, Worlds in Peril...
Maybe you mean Monsterhearts, since it sounds like it'd have that.
>>48029737
Monsterhearts doesn't even have that in the book AFAIK. The website does link to an essay about playing safely, called 'Safe Hearts' but it's not in the main book.
>>48027358
FATAL is ez mode.
I've always found the "Play like you gotta pair" page from Warmachine to be pretty cringe-y
>>48030501
That's so stupid it's even fun.
Pathfinder's Fursona splat is almost pure cringe, the ant-men and a bear dude save it from 100% shit.
>>48026684
I'm going to be honest here, the ones on the left don't seem particularly out of the ordinary. The top one is just pcplans.jpg, the middle one is stock demon backstory #7, and the bottom is exactly as the text describes: disturbing.
I can't seem to find PDFs of Myfarog, but Varg's digressions about 'Sunlight Vitamins' and how the people of Thule are much healthier without vaccinations are particularly awkward, even for Myfarog.
>>48029737
>>48030294
Anon doesn't know anything except that "*World games are SJW", and since X-cards are SJW, all *World games must talk about X-cards
>>48024730
1 ounce of cobra venom can't kill 13 men can it?
>>48032388
Depends on a cobra, but generally easily.
>>48028999
>Fursona books for Pathfinder.
Wot?
>>48023935
>May be triggered
Holy fuck this is literally Dumblr tier shit
>>48023768
This is like some daemonculubla shit
>>48032572
Fursona is a splat for Pathfinder. In fact it was featured as the Splat of the month in their online magazine the month it came out. It is made of cringe and furfaggotry.
Have a template from it.
Nothing beats Eoris for a bit of cringe.
>>48033161
>>48030601
I love how two PCs with that perk can feed each other, turning tits into perpetual-motion machines.
>>48024494
>Exalted is still shit and its fanbase is just the fucking worst, but I felt the need to correct things anyway
no YOURE shit!
>>48034240
Not even just each other, each other plus 1 more each. Violating reality like that is probably the key to FTL travel
>>48034279
>>48034240
Are "sustained" and "well-fed" the same
I feel like a GM could say that it's nutritious enough to keep you alive, but not nutritious enough to give you the extra energy you need to lactate.
Then again I probably wouldn't be very good at running an anthro game with the Lactation feat.
>>48027358
Post the magic jew armor!
>>48034240
I just want to add that I'm glad the sentence "turning tits into perpetual-motion machines." now exists. Thank you.
>>48023698
>>48023768
>>48023904
Christ new third edition books cant come out fast enough to drive away this nightmare
>>48025355
Yeah I've never heard of it either.
>>48036674
>most children have had intercourse by 12
how the fuck is this even possible? most boys haven't completed puberty by 12, if they can even manage an erection they probably can't manage penetration into a prepubescent girl.
ugggh cthulhutech what a trainwreck
>>48033190
You should read the system.
The devs practically tell you to fuck off unless you want to run their module stories. Even if you do that, they tell you how the characters are supposed to act and players should be discouraged from breaking what they want you to run.
>>48024494
>All this shit is from the former parts, which the Exalted fanbase basically agreed to pretend never existed
Only the pussy ass fans who want to run with Hell and work for monsters without becoming monsters themselves.
>>48023532
Pretty much the entirety of Apocalypse World's writing.
>>48036674
I can masturbate to this.
>>48024387
please stay away from women
>>48036412
the 3e devs liked lilun
>>48038934
>Hell
is no such thing, in Exalted. The word is a very loose translation at best. To use more precise terms, Malfeas is not Inferno. Malfeas is not supposed to be Inferno, nor creatively-reinterpreted-Inferno, nor values-inverted-Inferno, nor any sort of Inferno. Malfeas is something completely different from the fire-and-brimstone notion that's usually attached to the word "Hell". Blood Apes are not servants of Satan, Ligier is completely uninterested in eating your soul, the Demon City is not an afterlife for mortals, et cetera.
If you don't mind getting a little scifi vibe in your fantasy, the best term for the inhabitants of Malfeas might be "aliens" rather than demons or monsters.
The exalted fanbase isn't ignoring that part of infernals because they're pussies, they're ignoring that part of infernals because the writer put puppy-kicking evil where he was supposed to put bizarre alien horror.
Consider the neomah, the local Exalted equivalent of the semen demon. It wants your semen (or blood, or skin, or any gene sample) because it wants to GROW A SPIRAL TOWER OF BRASS AND SNAILSHELL AND TIN FROM ITS THROAT, AND IN THE FIRES OF THAT TOWER, IT WILL MINECRAFT-FORGE A NEW KIND OF BEING OUT OF THE SAMPLES IT HAS COLLECTED. AND THEN, BECAUSE IT'S AN ARTIST WHO CARES ABOUT THE PERFORMANCE OF ITS CRAFT, NOT THE PEOPLE (INVOLVED OR RESULTING), IT'LL LEAVE THE AMALGAMATED BABY THERE, INHALE THE TOWER, AND BE ON ITS WAY.
You /can/ use sorcery to bind one into performing sexual services for you all day, but if you want someone to perform sexual services for you all day, there's a much cheaper option that doesn't involve magic bullshit: it's called the slave market.
Now do you see the issue? "Hell" in Exalted is supposed to be populated with monsters in the eldritch sense, not monsters in the moral sense.
Are third party splats cheating?
>>48038934
Dealing with Hell without becoming evil is explictly meant to be possible, and was from the beginning. In Exalted, there is no cosmic objective morality; demons aren't made of pure elemental Evil with a capital E, they're just beings who are native to strange, alien worlds which predate Creation. They can be evil in a moral sense, but that's because their own perspectives don't align with what humans like, and sometimes (but not always) lead to them causing harm by being themselves; for every Blood-Ape who will carve a path of destruction and carnage in the direction you point him, there's a Stomach Bottle Bug who will suck the poison out of your body if you give him alcohol. The issue with demon summoning isn't that it's evil magic that requires evil acts and makes its caster more evil, it's that you're enslaving a sentient being to obey your orders.
The Infernals are meant to follow the same paradigm. They are given the powers of Hell, which are very strange compared to other powers and encourage them to act more demonic the more they develop. This doesn't translate to "their powers make them evil"; it can also mean things like being able to rest through continuous jogging instead of sleep, or judging people's beauty by their magical strength instead of their physical appearance. There's nothing forcing an Infernal Exalted to be evil or preventing them from using their powers for good, and it's entirely intentional that they can be heroic characters who help and protect the innocent.
That's why the competitive child rape and baby-eating contests are out of place.
>>48025043
Men having sex with animals is animal cruelty.
>>48039274
OP here - as long as it appeared in a genuine RPG book that was either sold, or given freely to a significant enough number of people, it counts.
>>48034536
Anon, it has always existed in the library of babel.
https://libraryofbabel.info/book.cgi
>>48039274
Eh, I give that whole thing a pass because I'm a big numbers fetishist and it's a silly read overall.
>>48027358
FATAL is the funniest game if you don't take it seriously
>>48036674
these guys like Abubu hentai, don't they?
>>48024790
Because it was published in 1993, when putting 'winners don't do drugs' in your book was just covering your ass so the nutters didn't get all upset about you game glorifying drugs.
Shit, look at Palladium's giant disclaimer in the front of every book along the lines of 'the occult isn't real, our books are not responsible for your children killing themselves'.
>>48031838
>I can't seem to find PDFs of Myfarog
Neither can anybody else.
>>48033133
>Fursona is a series of splats for Pathfinder.
FTFY
>>48024198
Lovecraft was a bit Prudish due to having a very Victorian uprbinging. He had a sex drive and thought it was important to please his wife in bed (According to her), but the subject of sex and sexuality made him very uncomfortable and his friends used to fuck with him by talking about it, because he usually clammed up.
>>48026684
Pathfinder has a...BDSM Brothel adventure module?
>>48024839
wut
>>48024730 is fun. My players found it interesting and a cool read. The fuck are you bitching about?
The only autism here is your.
>>48024325
Man, and that's only four years away. Can't wait.
>>48028413
Wizards: No sense of right and wrong
(The above can also apply to Wizards of the Coast)
>>48029240
>first paragraph
well that's not so bad, if kinda stilted
>second paragraph
oh FATAL, never change.
>>48040097
Remember: Drugs are dangerous. Mess with them and you'll probably kill yourself. Or at least mess yourself up beyond repair. The choice is yours.
Just like a role-playing game.
>>48039729
I know, but he didn't believe his own feelings about sex (or anything else) were objectively correct.
>>48039476
>There's nothing forcing an Infernal Exalted to be evil or preventing them from using their powers for good, and it's entirely intentional that they can be heroic characters who help and protect the innocent.
Right. But you can't do that and also be genuinely serving the yozis. Yozis=/=demons in general and yozis definitely do = bad candy. The only sense in which they aren't objectively evil is that they never comprehended human morality and don't even really comprehend their own former alien morality either, and some people consider that an excuse.
>>48038851
You never had an erection before twelve?
>>48041015
Erection? Sure.
Erection that you can maintain in front of another girl, before you're actually fully capable of sexual feelings?
On a tiny dick?
>>48023532
The entirety of Vampire the Requiem 2E. Like, holy shit.
>>48038851
Boys get erections as early as infancy to some greater or lesser extent. By age 12 boys might not have completed puberty, but they can start getting stiffies from arousal by that point, even if not all of them are sure what's causing it.
>>48041083
I like the nWoD/CofD but I wish they'd stop writing semi-in-character and took a 'limited omniscient' perspective instead.
pls no more "the communion of the cock and the cunt"
>>48025101
Thinking about it, I can remember plenty of boobs in RPGs, and even a vagina once, but no hanging dong.
>>48041166
You REALLY don't want to see the original art for the 'Deerlord' from Changing Breeds.
The version that made it into the book was... edited.
>>48028507
We have limits, anon.
>>48041197
And by that, I mean that the original image (this is the one that made it into the book) had a GIANT DONG.
Pretty much all of FATAL, but I think saying so is cheating the thread.
>>48024325
>Smash is 2020's answer to alcohol
That's kinda dumb. Alcohol works perfectly well for its purpose, we don't need something that is "alcohol, but more dangerous and with almost not new upside". That shit wouldn't sell very well.
>>48033161
God. I needed to look that up to convince myself it was not made by Phil Brucato. Or as he prefers to be called, Satyros. He legally changed his name to Satyros, because he wants to stick his dick in fairies.
I swear, Deliria is one of the craziest pieces of shit I've ever seen.
>>48041205
How do you even begin to think like this
>>48041213
It speaks to how ruined I am that I looked this up and my only thought was "well at least it's not a horse dick."
>>48041166
French RPGs had no problem with taht until recently. And I think even now you can still see a dick or nipple here and there.
Shit, one of the INS/MV books had a pretty fucking disgusting picture with a girl dying half naked in her own piss if I remember correctly.
And Rêve de Dragon had several pictures of one of it's poster character, an average looking, long nosed guy, without a pant, and a pic I really like where he's nude and getting punched by a groin (the local orc species, whose name literally means "snout") for some reason.
God I want to play it again. The character creation was needlessly complicated but the magic system was cool, and, well, it was my first TTRPG ever.
>This entire thread
I will never complain about Anima's shit again.
I will never complain about Anima's shit again.
>this whole thread
>Nobody posts Montreal by Night
https://www.somethingawful.com/dungeons-and-dragons/vampire-artwork-montreal/12/
Let me tell you, going into an FLGS as a boy, being pleasantly surprised that someone actually wrote a sourcebook about your city, then opening it up to THAT IMAGE is a good way to develop some mental scarring.
>>48041533
Well I hope that's not blood that's all out of that vag.
>>48041646
... What else do you think it would be? It's not the right colour for the only other fluid to come out of a vagoo.
>>48041646
No, vampires dring cherry juice. I just can't understand how is it supposed to be cringey. Whole thread is weird, but it doesn't feel uncomfortable.
>>48041238
Remember: Messes are like choices. Repair them and you'll probably kill yourself beyond danger. Or at least drug up real life.
Just mess yourself.
>>48041347
Wait, wait. It doesn't have a horse cock? What other kind of cock would you give a weredeer?
>>48041796
A deer cock, presumably.
>>48041796
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzCgDxQolwU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_KXaHJuS1o
>>48041855
Deer penises iacrually taste incredibely good when grilled.
>>48024730
Carcosa is wasted potential: the edgelord setting. It could have been done well, instead it's full of what seems indistinguishable from the output of a set of random generation tables, just with more rape and torture because the author's group liked that.
The *rolls d20* purple *flips coin* girl *rolls d6* child must be under *rolls d12* 7 years old and be *rolls d100* ritualistically *rolls d10* groped by *rolls d20* 7 acolytes *rolls d14* under the light of a waning moon.
>>48041213
A GIANT DONG would unsettle me less than these legs, knees and hooves.
Seriously, spending that much effort in shading a terrible drawing will only further highlight its terribleness.
>>48041796
It's just a big ol' human dick.
>>48042448
and here we have some wonderfully ignorant fedoracringe
>>48042770
Well, OP *was* asking for cringy segments...
>>48041372
So the English for "dick location" is derived from the French for "nose."
>>48042770
Please tell me: what exactly am i ignorant about?
The whole idea that sex is bad comes from a prudish misinterpretation of the ten commandments by christian scholars who were either trying to get on good terms with or were influenced by gnostics and similar sects.
I don't know if it was deliberate, or just unconscious, but the interpretation of the sixth commandment as signifying that all sex is bad was certainly well popularized and well liked by the catholic church in europe.
The other thing, that children are completely innocent and free of sin, which is a vague interpretation of what jesus said, combined with this after victorian times, especially in puritan america to mean that anyone under the age of majority (whatever that might have been in a place) should be completely free from sexual thoughts and urges.
It's the result of this that people are arguing against sexual education in america, directly resulting in record teen pregnancy rates.
This is also why people like the first anon i replied to seem to think that sexual feelings just suddenly start with puberty.
And conversely the elevation of sex into the position of something only talked about in hushed words has resulted in people being able to gain fame and infamy with it and being able to make headlines with nothing but having an appealing body and having had sex with someone important.
It's also the reason why we get threads like this, because people are inherently associating horrible cringeworthy stuff with anything sexual, and especially with anything sexual that isn't absolutely mainstream.
>>48041238
Allow me to introduce you to "crack" which is "cocaine, but more dangerous and with almost no new upside".
Let's check in with our Detroit correspondent and see how "crack" is selling. Tyrone?
>>48042922
You are stupid and you should feel bad of your pretentious ignorance.
>>48042962
One's cheaper than the other. That's the upside.
>>48042962
SHITSGREAT
>>48041205
I think this just made me a racist.
>>48023679
Its influence on traditional gaming is on par with 5 year ols at a playground pretending to be saiyans and yelling at each other that "My attack Can't be dodged!" and "Nothing can get through my force field!"...and has mechanics to match that exactly.
>>48042922
>Please tell me: what exactly am i ignorant about?
>The whole idea that sex is bad
That, for one. Christianity teaches that sex is good - so good, in fact, that spouses are morally obliged to it and have claims on each others' bodies - and _adultery_ is bad.
The stop having fun guys brigade of sexhaters you're looking for is the feminists who started inventing dozens of new kinds of "rape".
>The other thing, that children are completely innocent and free of sin
And that. That's not a Christian teaching either. It might be the teaching of the Westboro Baptist Church or whatever self-made Pastor Bob Church (Look At My Diploma, I Am Totally A Real Pastor) you had the misfortune of encountering in whatever shithole you happened to live, but it's not a Christian teaching any more than your retardation is a principle of atheism.
>>48042922
So do you just type things without actually thinking, or what? Like your crap about the Sixth Commandment - that's the one about murder being bad. Nothing you're writing makes any sense at all.
>>48042448
>People need to stop viewing sex as an inherently awful thing, something even adults should handle with extreme care.
>STDs
>Rape
>False rape accusations
>Unexpected pregnancy
>A beta orbiter coming after you for sleeping with THEIR TRUE LOVE, or finding out that they discovered where you lived and vandalized your house while you weren't home
Remind me again why prudishness is a bad thing?
>>48043012
Then you're a fucking moron who was already a racist, because what does that situation have to do with race?
>>48042973
>Lol i didn't read your arguments because they sounded pretentious.
>you are ignorant
>>48043052
>Christianity teaches that sex is good - so good, in fact, that spouses are morally obliged to it and have claims on each others' bodies
This is wrong though. They are supposed to procreate and not have the act for anything other than that. Procreation as a god given duty takes precedence, but sex is still viewed as a bad thing, and it should be done infrequently, only out of necessity for procreation, in dark, private, and hidden from everyone.
There is no rational reason for this, and there were successful societies where this was not the norm.
>WBC
Just no. Ask anyone in the 50s or almost anyone today in the south whether it's good to start sexual education as early as possible.
i wish we lived in a completely sensible world but if you look at what's going on in the US, that just doesn't seem to be very sensible at all.
Also i'm not an atheist. Agnostic at worst.
>>48043133
>STDs
Protection. Just like you don't go shaking hands with people who wiped their nose in theirs, and like you wouldn't cough in another persons face, there is some basic human decency which takes care of this.
>Rape
Is not much different from an unwanted handshake apart from physiological damage. Any other distinction is only thanks to society.
>False rape accusations
See above. In a sensible society false rape accusations where no physical harm is present and no other bad things took place (being drugged, etc) would be treated like an invasion f privacy but not much else.
>Unexpected pregnancy
Only if you have heterosexual sex with the woman being in her fertile days, fail to use protection and are against morning after pills.
>something with a beta
First, people should be a lot less jealous if sexuality should be regarded for the absolutely mundane thing that it is.
Second if they come after me that's their fault for coming after me, because that's a bad thing.
The cringe is coming from inside the thread
abort
>>48043281
>They are supposed to procreate and not have the act for anything other than that. Procreation as a god given duty takes precedence, but sex is still viewed as a bad thing, and it should be done infrequently, only out of necessity for procreation, in dark, private, and hidden from everyone.
While it shouldn't be a public thing, I can't think of any Christians off the top of my head - and I live in rural North Carolina where being Southern Baptist or Methodist is practically mandatory - who think that sex is bad or "for procreation only." So you're once again spouting off nonsense.
>Just no. Ask anyone in the 50s or almost anyone today in the south whether it's good to start sexual education as early as possible.
As a general rule, the Southern idea of sex ed happens relatively early. It's just that instead of instructions detailing how to get away with premarital sex, it consists of "Keep it in your pants, you idiot, and you want have an unwanted pregnancy."
>>48043361
>I can't think of any Christians off the top of my head
That's anecdotal evidence. And again, they keep it private. There is absolutely zero reason to keep it private. And i do not know of any people who regularly talk about their sexual adventures.
I mean, just ask pretty much anyone on here if it's good to masturbate at the gaming table.
Look at how many people hate magical reals, ERP, and literally everything even mildly connected to sex.
Look at how sex offenders are treated worse than murderers by society.
>>48043408
>That's anecdotal evidence.
>And i do not know of any people who regularly talk about their sexual adventures.
Noticed that bit of irony. Also, you said
>Ask anyone in the 50s or almost anyone today in the south whether it's good to start sexual education as early as possible.
Anon gave his experience, as someone in the South, while also pointing out that you are still retarded. You're making unfounded claims that other anons are pointing out are false, so you start chasing your own tail.
>>48043361
>>48043408
>it consists of "Keep it in your pants, you idiot, and you want have an unwanted pregnancy."
in other words
"Sex is bad, and you shouldn't do it. That's the best way to avoid unwanted pregnancies."
Which is absolutely ignorant of basic human biology, for the reasons i stated above.
And people are both afraid to talk about it treating it like a taboo, and treating it like some sacred thing that can only ever occur between husband and wife.
(Also explains your abysmal divorce rate.)
Finally, if there is so much as a split second view of an exposed nipple in a movie people will flip their shit all over the US, because sexuality, and even the natural normal naked human body is grouped in with harmful influences like heavy drugs and excessive violence, and is treated like a WORSE thing than mild violence.
>>48043459
>irony
Yes, if you post anecdotal evidence to back up your point i'll post anecdotal evidence to counter it.
>You're making unfounded claims
Have you even read my post? The other anon was making claims like "they're having sex ed it just consists of people telling them not to have sex" and that they "cant think of any christian who thinks sex is bad and for procreation only"
The first point is simply his misinterpretation of facts, because if people truly thought sex wasn't ad and for procreation only then they would talk about their sexuality freely.
The second point is also a misinterpretation of definitions, because telling someone to stay away from something is not educating them about that something.
>>48041083
Don't forget Ventrue:Lords Over the Damned's BDSM segment
>>48043470
Oh, now the truth comes out. What you're REALLY mad about isn't your illusory "sex is bad" Christians, but people who think that maybe monogamy is a pretty good idea and that being promiscuous is not actually a good thing.
You just hate the idea of having any kind of restrictions whatsoever.
And did you (>>48043408) actually defend masturbating under the table? That's disgusting and you should feel disgusting.
>>48043529
>if people truly thought sex wasn't ad and for procreation only then they would talk about their sexuality freely.
See, that's a stupid assumption. Sex is GOOD, but it should be kept between husband and wife. It is a good thing to be enjoyed, but it should be private, because it is an exceptionally intimate act.
>The second point is also a misinterpretation of definitions, because telling someone to stay away from something is not educating them about that something
Are you one of those Yankee nanny-statists that thinks parents should let public schools do all the teaching? Because you smell like it. Have you never even heard of "The Talk," which basically everyone down here gets around puberty?
Aaand another interesting thread turned in a shitty fedorautistic spergstorm.
Fuck you, sincerely.
>>48043470
>Finally, if there is so much as a split second view of an exposed nipple in a movie people will flip their shit all over the US
>all over the US
Well, there's your problem. It has less to do with Christianity and more to do with being Americans.
I mean, have you even watched European films or seen European art?
>>48043408
>Look at how sex offenders are treated worse than murderers by society.
You need to realise that sex offenses have very little to do with the sexual act.
They're primarily committed to assert dominance and humiliate the victim and/or the victim's social group. Nobody rapes just because they're horny and men can get boners for reasons other than sexual.
Murder can leave the victim (male or female) with honour intact. Rape cannot and will not.
>>48023541
>Horned Ones
>only one has horns
More like Fraud Ones or False-Expectations Ones
>>48043664
Their "horns" are a bit lower, I think.
>>48043649
Not outside of marriage and not if you're a dude
>>48043763
>posting the catgirl virus
>but not the dickfingers
>>48043763
Okay, beside the name, it wasn't that cringy until I got to 'male-to-female full sex change'.
Though, depending on the tone of what you're running, it could easily be played for shits and giggles if it's reversible.
>>48026684
see there's a time and a place for crazy bullshit like this. I once had my shadowrunners face off against a ghost that liked to possess people, usually young women or twinkish men, and kill them via autoerotic asphyxiation.
if you're feeling somewhat flabbergasted while reading that...well good that's what I was going for.
But that was not my entire campaign, the rest of it was dealing with political power plays and committing crimes to get rent money. That was meant to be an aside to make you grateful for that heist on the stuffer shack.
there's a time and a place.
show some motherfucking restraint
>>48040317
shit
I was in that thread
where does the time go?
>>48043551
>What you're REALLY mad about isn't your illusory "sex is bad" Christians
I didn't say that. I only said that that idea was brought about by christians.
That idea being that sex is something that should be infrequent (look up victorian texts), sexual pleasure is sinful (look up Kellog and the circumcision of american boys), and a holy thing only to be shared with one person at most (look at yourself.)
>You just hate the idea of having any kind of restrictions whatsoever.
Yes, this is what i said, because it makes no rational sense to have those restrictions whatsoever, because having them results in awkward behavior around sex, the censorship that we see from the MPAA, and the cringy shit going on in every roleplaying game dealing with sexual things, as is evidenced by this thread. If you would kindly read my posts before you reply from now on? Thank you.
>>48043637
>it is an exceptionally intimate act.
You proclaim without any reason for this.
It is also not necessary that intimate things be private.
>Have you never even heard of "The Talk," which basically everyone down here gets around puberty?
Yes, because being informed by often misguided if not misinformed parents about a topic they are not an expert in is infinitely better than having someone with actual expertise in the topic do the teaching.
Especially since the "keep it private" attitude, also means that conversing about it with your own parents will be awkward as shit, and you won't be able to ask questions.
>>48043655
>Americans
Yes, but the same prudish "holy superintimate thing and don't you dare derive pleasure from it" is also seen in european christianity, which americans were just the most prudish offshot of.
And yes i have, i'm European. And sortof christian.
>Murder can leave the victim (male or female) with honour intact
What are we, fucking Klingons?
>Rape cannot
Nowadays rape does not have to be aggressive, so it's not necessarily about dominance, sometimes it's about the act.
>>48043989
>>48043529
>>48043470
>>48043408
>>48043281
What I mean by this is:
Both this kind of thread and the ridiculously oversexualized society, and the censorship of tits and treating sexual things as a taboo, are symptoms of the same fucking problem.
Shunning and pedestal-placing of a completely mundane thing.
>>48044040
Rory stop shitting up a perfectly good thread
>>48027358
>male +5
what the fuck
why is this modifier here?
Why females don't recieve anal size modifier but males do?
>>48044076
Who the hell is Rory?
>>48043281
>This is wrong though. They are supposed to procreate and not have the act for anything other than that. Procreation as a god given duty takes precedence, but sex is still viewed as a bad thing, and it should be done infrequently, only out of necessity for procreation
That's heresy, and you have been reported to the Inquisition.
For the orthodoxy, refer for instance to 1 Corinthians 7:3-5, where Paul instructs that spouses shall have regular sex and not deprive each other, except possibly for a dedicated period of prayer and fasting, and when they're done with that they should go back to having sex. None of this modern "I have a headache" or "marital rape" business here.
>>48044113
That passage refers to procreation (which is your god given duty, and you should engage in it as often as possible), and not using sex as a form of control over your spouse (because paul generally thought of females as unconditionally subservient to their husbands).
Paul also specifically said things like these to distance himself from the aforementioned gnostics, who were against sex of ANY form and even believed that consensual sex for procreation was also an abomination in the eyes of god.
>>48039212
I have trouble believing that since they're also the ones who made the post about how infernals ruined 2e.
>>48044169
>That passage refers to procreation
No it plainly doesn't. Im looking at it right fucking now and you're wrong.
>>48044341
Let him be. He's obviously a heretic who parrots other people's misinformed opinions.
>>48043470
>it consists of "Keep it in your pants, you idiot, and you want have an unwanted pregnancy."
>in other words
>"Sex is bad, and you shouldn't do it. That's the best way to avoid unwanted pregnancies."
Man i have no idea how you went from A to B there but at this point its pretty clear your reading problems into a place where none exist.
>>48044078
males are made for --
>>48030442
>CHEIAMOPSEI ERPEBOTH
CRRRRRIIIIINNNNGGEE!
>>48040317I don't understand
>>48032986
Arguably it's less nasty because while younger than at least the written examples of daemonculaba (though given how they are created presumably the age doesn't actually matter that much).
At least there is only, apparantly, a single lillun, there were heaps of daemonculaba.
>>48041533
Why is it White Wolf has so much cringe stuff?
>>48025074
Well, not slavishly so anyways. Still, even Ramsay Campbell started writing kind of bad pastiches of Lovecraft (which he was advised to stop doing by Derleth when he read them and commented in an editorial capacity. I think one important criticism was "write about England kid. You KNOW that, right?)
Lovecraft himself wrote derivative stuff when he was younger too, and some of it even survives. The worst stuff I think he actually burned because he couldn't stand it.
Someone has to keep writing in that register or that kind of vein, although naturally one wants them to develop their own style and original ideas.
>>48044184
Did you actually read their reasoning for that? It wasn't because they were too gross and evil.
It was because focusing on the reclamation being a possible and immanent thing as well as focusing on the yozis as active players made all other conflict in the setting unimportant narritively speaking, and mechanically dragged the focus of the game to higher essence levels where the system started falling apart even more than normal.
Also a bunch of mechanical problems about how their yozi charm tree system is a big problem mechanically.
Talking about the actual meat of the writing though?
>I love the first half of the book. Urge is brilliant, and the various accoutrements of the Infernal Exaltation and the Reclamation (the Conventicle Malfeasant, Lillun, the Thing Infernal, the Chrysalis Grotesque, the Unwoven Coadjutor) are simply amazing.
>>48043763
>A cat-girl nanovirus...
>>48044084
(You)
>>48044623
I really hope it was just designed as a cosmetic thing (perhaps even a temporary one), but mutated/got corrupted and became transmittable.
>>48044580
Some of their older stuff can at least be understood because it was the 90's when leather trenchcoats and sunglasses at night were all the rage.
After that though the bad bits and pieces going on today is usually bad writers.
>>48040308
Oh, I'd say typically, they generally have a decent set of principles, or at least ethics. Probably at least as much as most intelligent professionals.
The issue is that they have a lot of opportunity, and if they are remotely powerful and have no sense of right and wrong...
Real horror show.
You do not want that to go on for any period of time whatsoever.
Hence the traditional venture of "evil wizard slaying".
You go off the reservation, you stop playing by the rules, well, the powers that be send blood thirsty maniacs who professionally specialize in violent home invasions/raids to murder you.
I mean, whatever face gets put on it, that's what's going down when your party gets sent to deal with the Evil Wizard/Dragon/Etc. You are essentially Hitmen or Assassins. Anyone who doesn't play nice will be sorry.
>>48044586
>.gif
anon why
>>48044639
Or the opposite, that it was high tech mil-spec shit (either to make supersoldiers or weaken enemies) and some cunt hacker rewrote it to be cat-girls.
Can't have a cringe thread without Gangrape, the Swedish RPG about rape being bad
>>48023541
/thread.
>>48043782
icwatudidther
>>48041213
Imagine that running at you skinned....
I think I may have found the next monster for a horror game.
>>48023629
Internals was pure cringe, Lunars are fantastic if you ignore the strong suggestions to be a Splat's pet bitch, a HURR HAET CIVILIZATION barbarian, and a zoophile. I will never regret 2e Stamina Charms.
>>48023698
Don't forget the gloriously redpilled Scarlet Empress with her +3 Integrity vs Emotional Appeals was a derpy villain all along!
>>48044714
Let's make a game where you are not allowed to have fun in.
>>48045412
it was kinda hard to ignore that in 1e when it was all over the place
>>48045439
You mean in the declared non canon meta plot book? Because outside of that she saved the world from two separate apocalypses.
>>48030501
Trust me, compared to most of the shit in this thread, this is normal.
>>48045455
>Let's make a game where you are not allowed to have fun in.
But Monopoly already exists...
>this entire thread
>>48044399
That's not really cringey. I'd be more surprised if we DIDN'T have sexbots in the future.
>>48023541
Dude's got a nice ass, at least.
>>48034240
There's something similar in vampire the Requiem. Two ordo dracul vamps with the coil of blood can feed on each other, gaining 3 points for every 2 they drain. It's known as a Dutch marriage in setting and heavily policed due to the blood bond and politics.
>>48025519
Edgy shit right there, it describes why I loathe Internals.
>>48043827
It's not a cat-folk virus, its a cat-girl virus. I dont see how that was surprising to you.
>>48044580
"Look at those nerds over there, playing AD&D. They think they're so cool… we'll show 'em what cool looks like!"
>>48044585
Citation strongly needed, given they blacklisted the guy that wrote all that from ever working for them again.
The devs are shitheads who should die in a fire, but blame them for the shit they actually did.
>>48045460
The stats in the book were explicitly canon.
>Be homebrewing rpg
>Come into thread to make sure I'm not unintentionally cringeifying my book to hell
>Advice boils down to don't put sex stuff in the book
Seems I shouldn't worry.
>>48047746
>finding a poor excuse to tell /tg/ he's writing a book
I cringed. Good job.
>>48041205
>>48041307
>>48043012
>not realizing that most reality shows are scripted
>>48041083
>>48041127
>>48043541
I've never read that or played Requiem, but this got me curious. What exactly are you guys referring to?
![['avin a giggle].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/FxdDDHf.jpg "['avin a giggle].jpg")
>>48043281
>This is wrong though. They are supposed to procreate and not have the act for anything other than that. Procreation as a god given duty takes precedence, but sex is still viewed as a bad thing, and it should be done infrequently, only out of necessity for procreation, in dark, private, and hidden from everyone.
>There is no rational reason for this, and there were successful societies where this was not the norm.
Nigga you need to go re-read the Bible.
Sex is explicitly referred to as "Gods gift to Man and Woman," and as others have stated, you are literally REQUIRED to have sex with your partner and satisfy their sexual needs, otherwise you're denying Gods gift and causing your partner spiritual and even physical harm.
> Ask anyone in the 50s or almost anyone today in the south whether it's good to start sexual education as early as possible.
A. Sexual education should be done when they reach the puberty, as it is currently doneat least here in Texas.
B. The fact that 90% of the media literally everybody consumes contains a pretty strong amount of implied if not overt sexuality. This would not be the case if everybody was scared of sex like you seem to think.
>>48043408
>I mean, just ask pretty much anyone on here if it's good to masturbate at the gaming table.
Do... Do you hold a contrary view?
>>48045538
Seriously. Normalcools got a hold of 'cringe', and it's lost all meaning now.
You all sicken me.
>>48047336
i wasnt talking about the stats, i was talking about the being a villain part
