Are police officers the modern day real life equivalent of Paladins?
Today on "The Dumbest Questions Asked On /tg/....."
>>47911319
God no.Just no.Absolutely not.
No, because Paladins lose their powers when they shoot an unarmed prisoner 15 times in the back.
>>47911344
When did this happen
>>47911319
closest thing we got? fire fighters maybe since they actually always help people.
>cops can't be rogue
No modern police are the real life equivalent of the town guard
http://nypost.com/tag/nypd-corruption-scandal/
>>47911319
>White Male Human Fighter
>>47911389
>>47911376
The closest thing we got are IS. They are wholly devoted to their god, adhere to strict religious laws and smite people who do wrong by those laws.
>ITT: edgy anarchists
>>47911319
Cops patrol a single area. Paladins go on quests and adventure almost by definition, so no.
>>47911389
post rogue cops
Nope, they're the town guards. Not sure our world has a paladin equivalent, guess it'd be up to God to discern that. People who make the claim to be that way can end up being some of the worst people, given hat they consider themselves above committing and evil (or Evil) act.
>>47911319
No, because police are required to uphold the law, not the public good.>>47911328
>>47911328
>>47911568
>>47911610
>>47911426
>Muslims
>Paldins
>ever
>>47911623
![swiss-guard_3081561b[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/ySgoTit.jpg "swiss-guard_3081561b[1].jpg")
>>47911584
>Not sure our world has a paladin equivalent
>>47911641
>>47911319
Cops are greyguards.
They don't care about the goodness of the law, they just uphold it.
/thread
>>47911367
Not that anon, and I don't have an example of that scenario, but in Baltimore two police officers killed a prisoner by removing his seatbelt and driving around, trying to bounce him around in the back of their van. They broke his spine and he died in the hospital three days later.
>>47911666
>I know it was you
They are the city guard.
No. They don't lose gun and badge instantly if they are being a dick.
>>47911654
This to a degree. The Knights Hospitaller actually still exist today under the name Sovereign Military Order of Malta. I don't know just how military they are these days, but they're still pretty close to paladins.
>>47911426
ISIS is just a horde of savage orcs
>>47911344
paladins have not been obliged to be lawful good for two editions
and old gygaxian paladins were allowed to murder prisoners anyway
They are Rangers with favored enemy Black People, Chaotic Neutral usually, Lawful Stupid sometimes, but mostly Neutral Evil.
>>47911702
>>47911319
>>47911654
Lawful Good fighters, ballin' ones at that. But unless God decides that their spears would impale an arsonist more efficiently than a fire fighter, D&D paladin's they aren't.
>>47911734
the edgelord is strong with this one
They're the modern day equivalent of the corrupt lord's personal guard.
>>47911319
Police officers would be fighters
>>47911918
Lawyers?
>>47912003
Lawyers are bards
ITT: Americans
How's living in a lawless hellscape, you cucks?
>>47912020
Life in America is fucking fantastic. Keep sucking on that corporate media teat to make yourself feel superior, though.
>>47912020
>Implying I'd prefer to live in Rapefugee Rapefest 2016
>>47911654
>>47911725
This.
Pic unrelated
>>47912020
america's quality of life varies enormously depending on where you live inside it
it's like three europes smashed together
>>47912125
>tila tequila
doesn't she also believe that the Earth is flat?
>>47911319
Did paladins protect the rich from the poor?
>Maybe
Sometimes yes, and sometimes no. It really depends on the officer, though I think few could really be considered Paladin equivalent. Not because cops are bad, but because being a Paladin entails a unique level of fervour that few people in any profession show.
>>47912125
>Germany
>fondling women's asses in public is in fact legal
>USA
>looking in the direction of white women gets you dismembered by her sword-wielding beta orbiters.
>>47912178
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h62p3WMHvDY
Tila Tequila has shown symptoms of schizophrenia in the past. It's actually pretty sad.
>>47911319
Town guard. The title you'relooking for is town Guard.
>>47912211
Is this what euros actually think America is like?
>>47911319
Yes, but only American ones.
>all cops are corrupt OR only care about the letter of the law rather than intent
Good meme
>>47912232
It's what Americans think America is like.
>>47911734
0.5/10
>>47912261
I should go outside.
>>47912211
Only legal for Muslims, bro.
>>47912125
I would hunt her illegals.
>>47911319
lol
http://www.eastbayexpress.com/SevenDays/archives/2016/06/18/everything-you-need-to-know-about-oaklands-sex-crime-scandal-and-firing-of-three-police-chiefs-in-a-week
>>47911319
OP, are all constables in your setting paladins?
>>47911319
>Are police officers the modern day real life equivalent of Paladins?
No, they're the modern equivalent of knights (knights as in their original sense, normans with chainmail and swords who excelled at murdering peasants, not the ridiculous late medieval retroactive misapplication of chivalric ideals to prior generations): thugs with the beast weapons and armor who use their position of power to harm the common people with impunity
>>47911319
>Expect thread about cops
>Geopolitics
Anyway. As a police recruit I speak to lots of cops and a lot of those who work around them. A common theme I hear is that you have to be insane to even keep the job. There is a lot of dedication given the rigors of being a police officer. But I'd definitely say no, its not the modern equivalent. Believe you me there are a shit ton of rogue cops. The pay is tight and death is always around the corner. You may not fall to evil but you might pick up some serious habits. But the biggest part of our training, or what gets stressed the most is that you have to be ready to call out anyone, even your direct supervisor once you get a hint of something wrong.
Our head trainer is a mad man. Logical, foul mouthed and good at justifying his actions. Swear to god every once in a while a teacher or something will come in, see him and immediately remark "I have no idea how the department is letting you teach"
>>47911319
No, they're modern day City Guard.
They serve an important function in society but it's one that unless you ARE a guard happens only "off-screen", and generally otherwise are obstructionist and annoying when they show up elsewhere, or in some cases depending on your cityCHICAGOare actually corrupt antagonists as often as not.
>>47912424
Speaking as someone also in the practice of legal shit (paralegal), I have no idea how you can put up with that bullshit as much as you do.
I mean, I gotta work with crazy people too but I get PAID well at the very least.
>>47912212
>>47912178
She's just a poorly-tattooed, MySpace, dwarf slut desperately trying to cling to her long-gone 15 minutes of fame.
No.
1) Paladins protect the innocent from the forces of evil. Meanwhile, police officers aren't required to prevent crimes they observe. This is settled law.
2) Paladins must seek out and punish the true guilty party. Police officers regularly - not frequently, but regularly - find a person they think is guilty, then use any means necessary to "prove" they're guilty regardless of whether or not it's true.
2) Paladins track down and smite fallen Paladins with the fury of a thousand fiery Suns. Meanwhile, police officers cover for each other when they commit crimes. Blue shield is a well-known phenomenon.
4) While Paladins certainly loot the guilty, none would ever dream of stealing from an innocent. Meanwhile, look up civil asset forfeiture, and how difficult it is to recover property claimed by the police even if you're proven innocent.
So in short, no, police officers fall well short of the standards of Paladinhood.
>>47911342
>>47911344
>>47911756
You need to be 18 to post lads.
Keep your edge at school.
>>47912681
>I can't actually come up with a counterargument
>but by god, you can't stop me from shitposting
>>47911319
Fuck no.
>>47911602
Tell that to the cop who's being charged with being an online predator.
>>47912058
>Implying we don't do that here, too
Come on, man, there are plenty of corporate shill "news" outlets in America too.
>>47912843
What are you trying to prove? They're all required to uphold the law. People don't always do what's required of them.
>>47911319
Harmonium, not Paladins.
>>47912260
>only care about the letter of the law rather than intent
That is the legal precedent upheld by the US Supreme Court, anon.
I think you need to step out of your fantasy land.
>>47912424
>you have to be ready to call out anyone, even your direct supervisor once you get a hint of something wrong.
So... why doesn't that actually happen?
>>47912843
Yeah but you know who caught that cop?
Another cop, probably one of those 13 year old undercover cops I keep meeting in chatrooms.
>>47911691
I'm from Baltimore and you're fucking wrong in your details. Also those cops have been found innocent in a court of law
>>47911799
Or just, you know, mildly paying attention and have had interactions with the police before.
>>47913026
So was OJ.
>>47913026
Dead men tell no tales, and how often to police testify against each other?
Police are regularly found innocent if they are taken to court because the evidence lay within their hands, often by a jury who is more than willing to give them benefit of doubt,
>>47911691
Just another Dindu Nuffin that probably had it coming to him, just like my hometown's Burgling Martyr Michael Brown.
>>47913067
>widely publicized cases can't prove wrongdoing beyond a reasonable doubt
>must be the cops' fault
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOAO-7svZwg
ITT
>>47911691
Baltimoron here
Get your facts straight dumbass
>>47913061
>>47913067
So you're saying only cops should be found guilty in court?
>>47913079
>people deserve to be executed for petty crimes
>>47913086
No, widely publicized cases that went to court due to public outrage that couldn't be proven at all.
But please, tell me how all those cases clearly had no wrongdoing.
>>47913118
>getaloadofthisguy
Stop it, anon, you are being stupider than normal.
>>47913200
Of course!
>>47913200
>cops shouldn't be allowed to defend themselves when assaulted by people
>>47912348
>Oakland remains a shithole
How is this news?
>>47913036
Chris Rock can help you with your interactions with the police.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZ3osqSggLU
ITT: Fucking criminals. The police exist to protect us from "people" who act like dirty animals and to put those "people" in a place they can't hurt good citizens, like prison or the morgue. Everyone should get upset about corrupt individuals as well as widespread corruption, but guess what fuckface? If you don't view the police as the good guys in general, then you're the one the rest of us need to be protected from.
>>47913260
>cops are LE, niggers are CE
Holy shit, this is Blood War!
Only outfit I have never seen a /k/ommando talk shit about.
>>47913312
Actually there is a real Blood War going on in the middle east. Al Qaeda declared war on ISIS for being too batshit insane, and the two have been actively fighting. Since ISIS is obviously Chaotic Evil that makes Al Qaeda Lawful Evil.
>people either enthusiastically endorse the police to the point where they give them free range to kick out the teeth of old ladies
OR
>think they are literally the gestapo
Why no middle ground? I mean, generally I think the police do an alright job in America. I mean, yeah, they need to work on how their officers interact with minorities and they fucking definitely don't need to buying surplus military gear from the US army auctions but speaking broadly I wouldn't want to live in a society without law and those who execute it
I would also see about getting guns removed from Officers who don't need them really. Cops I feel shouldn't be standard issued firearms as a practice. Restrict it to only emergencies or dangerous neighborhoods.
I study in America and it is kind of strange to see university cops walk around with a gun on their hip. Do they really need it?
>>47913290
lol
>>47913388
And both are attracting recruits form the rest of the world... it fits!
>>47911344
If it's of evil nature, I smite it. Be it with a hammer or with a gun, to smite is to smite.
>>47913397
Agree agree agree
>>47911319
>It's a /tg/ takes the bait episode
>ITT: edgy babbies who think unironically hating the police is KEWL and RADIKAL
>>47913397
>Why no middle ground?
Because this is the internet, hyperbole is the only way to argue.
I personally have no overarching gripe against cops, only in how fast they are to protect each other and the internal corruption is rife.
>I study in America and it is kind of strange to see university cops walk around with a gun on
their hip. Do they really need it?
Stop applying your home cultures mindset to firearms to the American reality. The truth is that guns are a staid presence in America, and unlike places in Europe, can't be removed from the populace or controlled (no small part to the booming black market for guns).
It is an unfortunate reality.
>>47912673
/thread
>>47911344
Don't cops carry six shooter as a standard issue? That would mean they have to reload to do that. Twice.
>>47913397
>it is kind of strange to see university cops walk around with a gun on their hip. Do they really need it?
you never know when a dindu is gonna chimp the fuck out and you gotta put it down...
>>47913397
>I study in America and it is kind of strange to see university cops walk around with a gun on their hip. Do they really need it?
>do cops really need a gun in gun-toting, trigger-happy America?
>>47913397
Europoor here, we're considered one of the safest countries in the world and our cops do carry guns.
>>47913397
Would you accept them having something for self-defence? (I.E. taser, etc)
>>47913507
>hurr durr guns are baaaaaaaad
>>47911319
Yeah, I'd say so.
>>47913397
>I study in America and it is kind of strange to see university cops walk around with a gun on their hip. Do they really need it?
Let's be honest now, there has been military and military police for 6 months in the streets around my place and I think it's kinda normal given the situation.
>>47913481
Cops carry glocks.
17 rounds, double stack.
Also, in that situation, "only one guy fired".
>>47913590
You live in Israel, don't you?
>>47913526
For a lot of people I'd wager yes. The American constitution very clearly says that guns are necessary for state militias. Well, each state has a national guard which functions as a state militia so there you go. Keep your guns there at the national guard armory. That was written before Napoleon had introduced conscription as a regular practice so most men had to buy their own guns.
The founding fathers almost certainly would vote in some reasonable gun restriction on assault rifles and handguns.
>>47913602
>You live in Israel, don't you?
I don't.
>>47913605
How the fuck are guns bad for a lot of people you colossal shithead? You think we just go out with our guns and start firing at random? Jfc you have to be mentally challenged or some shit.
>>47913624
Sometimes I think /tg/ would be so much more fun if we had flags like some other boards.
>>47913481
>Don't cops carry six shooter as a standard issue?
>All I know about America is from cowboy movies
Wew lad
>>47913656
It would be shit. I live in France.
>>47913641
Most gun crime is committed by guns purchased through legal channels
>>47913624
Then where, you cunt?
>>47913605
To the founding fathers, an adult, land owning man was reasonably enough and intelligent enough to possess a firearm.
Those state militias were made up of the people.
>>47913658
Revolvers were the standard police issue weapon for a century and more, you mong, with individual officers having the choice to carry their own weapons, usually 7 round mag 1911s.
It wasn't until the mid 80s that departments started moving to higher capacity mags.
>>47913658
Actually I got that fromJagged Alliance 2
>.38 S&W Special - "Tried and true by the boys in blue. This American pistol is the most common police service revolver in the world."
>>47913688
Do your cops throw down their guns and surrender when you pull a gun on them?
>>47913690
Most gun crime is actually black-on-black crime committed with illegally trafficked weapons from Mexico. You already know that but it doesn't fit into your SJW mindset.
>>47913397
>I would also see about getting guns removed from Officers who don't need them really. Cops I feel shouldn't be standard issued firearms as a practice. Restrict it to only emergencies or dangerous neighborhoods.
Used to be like that in Denmark. Then a guy shot four cops, no more of that.
The main issue with US police is that there is no national standard for their training, and it can thus vary from months down to a few weeks, by comparison places like Denmark and Finland, becoming a cop takes 2-3 years and they have military equivalent physical requirements at start up.
>>47913719
>Do your cops throw down their guns and surrender when you pull a gun on them?
Nope, they shoot at you.
>>47913729
the problem is that cops in feel good countries like Denmark don't have to deal with subhumans on a daily basis.
>>47913719
>Do your cops throw down their guns and surrender when you pull a gun on them?
You can't surrender to terrorists. And French can be pretty damn fierce fighters when surrender is not an option.
>>47912289
>I would hunt her illegals.
>>47913761
>You can't surrender to terrorists
>still lets mulsims live among them
>>47913791
They had to close their border with Italy and Germany to stop the migrants the retarded germans allowed in.
>>47913791
>TFW no muslim on muslim crime other than domestic abuse, so the sandniggers don't keep themselves in check
>>47913730
What about the well regulated militia part? You have that: the national guard. Each state gets its own and it supposed to be your own state's personal armed defense force.
So unless you are a soldier then you shouldn't own a gun. Glad we agree on that
>>47913791
The muslims they have have been imported like 50 years ago by the right wing, tho. It's hardly a recent policy.
>>47913807
>not just going deus vult on their asses
French in charge of not being pussies. Just fucking shoot them, it's not like they're people.
>>47913470
Well also, this is America.
Culturally speaking we are AWFUL at middle ground of any kind at all.
That's why every other Presidential election tends to swing to the opposite political party as the one who stayed in office if they stayed in power for 8 years.
It works like this;
>Election Season comes up, charismatic candidate promises to fix Literally Everything.
>Candidate is elected in, fixes much less or nothing at all because of political and fiscal realities.
>Eight years later everyone is mad because candidate could not fix Literalky Everything. Elects from opposing party because obviously THEY must have the better solution.
>Repeat as needed.
This train of thought basically can be found in pretty much every aspect of American life, the wild swinging from one end of the psychological spectrum to the other without pausing to find middle ground.
I think it largely has to do with how big the country is and how diverse it is (we're more like three or four countries pretending we all live in one even though for the most part we can't stand each other), so the ONLY way to get everyone to agree on anything is to focus as much as their negativity as possible on a subject, which of course makes finding a rational standpoint very difficult.
>>47912424
I feel like this happens with anything related to the government. I work for a government contractor and let me tell you it's a damn miracle government sponsored weapon systems work, like at all
>>47913602
So what you're saying is that the cop missed twice?
>>47913832
It's kinda what they do already.
>>47913807
>no muslim on muslim crime
No, you idiot, they just don't take it to the police.
Thats like saying there is no crime in Chinatown or Little Italy. They handle it all internally.
>>47913885
Former Marine.
"Lowest bidder" is not just a pithy joke.
I've had friends that literally had to have lungs patched up because their goddamn sixty pound suit of body armor apparently couldn't protect against one of the two the most common military weapons on planet Earth.
>>47913909
yeah but they don't kill each other *enough* to be noticeable.
>>47911376
Fire Fighters are closer to NG, as they really don't care WHO they're saving, they just save as many as possible.
An LG would probably be, ironically enough, the type of person to bury somebody in huge piles of litigation to impede and hinder perceived evildoers.
>>47913894
You never saw the video, anon?
It was on the internet for weeks. I mean, seriously, it was everywhere, and it was surprisingly brutal. Did you just not look at it because "hurr liberals and niggers"?
>>47913921
no body armor can protect against the mighty nugget
>>47913944
>the video
it's staged, everyone knows that
>>47913925
No, they just make people disappear often enough that shit doesn't get to that point.
Those communities have overarching leaders who arbitrate situations before they explode.
>>47911319
Nah, jihadist's are closer to paladins
They're religious with a strict code and are willing to die to try and enforce it.
>>47911319
what the fuck is a town guardsman sempai?
>>47913944
I guess I never did. I'm not American, so for me it's no different from the other similar incident.
But I saw the one with nigger trying to scare cop with finger guy.
>>47913969
>before they explode
I see what you did there senpai
>>47913818
>the only well regulated militia get guns meme
>>47911319
not at all
>>47913944
You know there is literally no point in this argument where you will actually convince him of anything?
Assuming he isn't just a troll, it is literally IMPOSSIBLE to make someone change their mind about a subject if they don't want it to be changed, no matter how much factual evidence stacks up against them, including video footage, official documents, and evidence they've seen by their own two eyes.
The closest you can manage to actually doing it is to threaten them with intense physical violence in real life on a daily basis if they don't change their opinions that they live in fear of even expressing their differing beliefs verbally while alone so their children grow up thinking that this is normal, and even then all you're really doing is making speaking out against your beliefs too harmful to realistically consider doing.>>47913947
>>47913969
Silly anon, Muslim leaders don't explode, their grunts do.
>>47913729
Denmark is about the size of a US state. Obviously it's way easier to have a national standard
>>47913755
I'd bet real money that if the US bothered to train their police properly, they'd see a massive improvement.
>>47913290
Has that gun got pellets in it or something?
>>47914015
>other similar incident
Uh, yeah, dude, this had a guy with his hands up walking, jerking around from being shot, then hitting the ground twitching. You can literally see the bullets hitting the concrete besides the guy's body, and his death spasms.
No wonder they refused to release the video.
>>47914036
So you are admitting you play pick and choose with what you care about from the bill of rights? Excellent, then I'll do the same.
>Second amendment meme.
>>47914079
>training police better somehow makes DaQuanShawn not chimp out at them
>>47911765
Pretty sure they got guns as well.
>>47913290
BAD
ASS
>>47914041
I wasn't talking to the troll, I was talking to the people who haven't seen the video.
It's why I never bothered responding to >>47913957, for example.
threads like this should honestly not be allowed
they incite no traditional game related discussion and only dumb, unrelated arguments to no real end which end the majority of the time, since this is 4chan, in blatant namecalling, and very little respectful exchange of ideas
>>47914036
>the individual right to own firearms meme
>>47914094
It's not picking and choosing. The people have the right to bear arms so that they can easily form a militia. The purpose of the militia is to prevent tyranny. The national guard is not the same thing as they are dually controlled by the states and the federal government.
>this shitty bait thread got 166 replies
You guys just can't resist, can you?
>>47914146
This 100%
>>47914146
Keep /pol/ in /pol/ definitely needs to be enforced more.
>>47914098
It helps him keep a more leveled head, and more importantly, it helps him keep a level head in a tense situation where DaQuanShawn doesn't chimp out but gets shot anyway because the cop is jumpy as fuck. The issue is the latter situation, where police over react to a situation, not when some retard picks a fight with cops and gets rekt.
>>47914059
Denmark is way smaller than a majority of US states, it still shouldn't be fucking difficult to set up a program to standardize a set of minimum requirements for law enforcement in a first world country. As it is now, by this time next month, any shit for brains in this thread could be a police officer in the areas where the standards are the lowest.
"The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard."
U.S. Code 311.
Just for reference.
>>47914146
Don't posts and threads get auto-deleted if they're reported enough?
Hint hint.
>>47914224
Then keep the rest of the politics out.
>>47914236
you are severely underestimating how much states like there autonomy from the federal government. Chance are if a nationwide police mandate was rolled out (with say dash/body cams, standardized equipment, and minimum physical standard tests) a majority of towns would not be able to follow it, 50% out of stubborn pride and 50% due to budget concerns
>>47914093
What I mean is that I've seen "cop shot black person, black community claims it was racial prejudice and riots" couple times before and from the cases I looked it, the shooting always seemed justified. So I kind of stopped checking.
But it's entirely possible that in this one specific case you mention it wasn't justified - the cop lost his nerve or actually was racist or something. But the question is whether that's failure of an individual or indication that there's problem with the system as a whole.
>>47914161
>The purpose of the militia is to prevent tyranny
a government that places provisions in place to allow itself to be overthrown is weak and not fit for purpose
>>47914286
>le SJW boogyman
>>47914241
How the fuck is this even a debate? Why can't Americans just settle with shotguns and some handguns and be happy? Why do they have to take shit too far as always?
Jesus Christ Americans, if you are seriously worried about overthrowing your government (which would be a grueling and miserable fucking affair that would set your country's standard of living back 20 years) its almost guranteed that foreigner interests would arm you with more than just a glock and semi auto ar 15 that you could destabilise your country with.
>>47914286
That's no excuse to bring politics in. There needs to be an official "keep modern politics in /pol/" so we can report any modern political discussion outside of /pol/ and /int/.
>>47914286
>>47914312
Fuck every single political fucker
SJW,/pol/ock there all the same
>>47914353
i agree
it never contributes to the topic at hand and only derails threads and god forbid it ever be done respectfully or constructively
>>47913818
Natty guard isn't militia, silly. Natty guard is a military reserve force.
Around here we also got State Defense Forces, Militias and Posses. We are a people of violence and arms, we are more often warring than not since our founding which was paid for in blood. Your post-modern ideals will not stand the test of time, but violence always stands the test of time as it is the great sword by which all things are measured.
If you think the enemy is tools, and not ideology, you have already lost for you have ceded the tools of victory to your foes. Like it, love it or hate it, it doesn't matter. This is the way it has been throughout history and the way it shall always be.
Unless of course you think you can negotiate with people who want to murder you and your kind while you sleep.
>>47914291
It's also a case of assumption.
You don't know how police operate in the "hood", few people outside of it do. The movie Training Day is a fairly accurate description, if not to that excess. Police know that poor people have no power and can be rolled on with virtually no repercussions, and do so. Add to that the generally adversarial relationship they have with the community (Protip: the community didn't start that fight) and it goes to it's logical end.
It's when people like yourself who give institutions benefit of doubt because the community is *insert* that the problems come up, because police will generally not hold each other accountable and neither can the community.
>>47914314
Shall not be infringed.
I am not going to compromise my human rights because your limp-dicked liberal brain cannot comprehend why someone would want a gun in Montana. Maybe I'm afraid of being ripped apart by bears you fucking faggot. Or maybe I'm afraid that the BLM will come and steal 6000 of my cattle like they did IN LIVING MEMORY in New Mexico.
Thankfully I don't need to explain myself to you, because we just smashed the Democrats' worthless subhuman teeth out in Congress. I hear they're sitting on the floor now like children trying to hold the process up. Mewling sycophants who want to steal from me. Well they don't get to steal today, and they never will.
Stay mad you fucking serf.
>>47914314
probably 99% of Americans don't own and will never own a fully automatic rifle. But threatening to take it away will arouse just as much anger as trying to ban glocks or revolvers.
For a similar phenomenon go to /v and look for a thread about how some bullshit indie game is proof women are going to take all our games away.
>>47914412
>the community didn't start the fight
If they didn't start the fight, why did the cops show up?
>>47912390
>thugs with the beast weapons and armor who use their position of power to harm the common people with impunity
>caring about the plebes
Nice edge there, Che
>>47914314
I sincerely hope you get shot in the fucking face you dumbass motherfucker.
>>47914291
It was in Chicago I believe.
Chicago's police record is so bad that even the city government, who stands to be extreme embarassed if the CPD's fucked-up nature is exposed, admits that it needs a serious overhaul.
It's so bad that the city needs to establish review boards of non-police individuals or experts from other cities because Chicago PD's internal investigatons always clear the entire police department and say everything's fine.
Basically the police of Chicago are so fucked that the city government itself can't fix it easily as all the people they'd need to fix it are STILL cops.
>>47914289
Body cams are pretty good for cops trough, at first the cops were sceptical but now they love it.
>>47914414
And yet you're still going to loose the election this year.
Funny how that works out.
>>47914414
That 60-vote bullshit needs to die, and you're a hypocrite for supporting it.
>>47913200
>people
You give them too much credit
>>47914289
Yeah, I'm probably underestimating the organizatorial differences between nations too. I'll maintain my position that it would help, but take your word for it not being practically feasibly.
>>47914482
And they still fight it tooth and nail where it's not implemented.
And still find ways to "misplace" them.
>>47914483
>He doesn't know how Congress works
Republicans won the Midterms just before the census, retard. Republican majority in Congress and House are ironclad. There will be NO gungrabbing. Not a single, little, itty bit, because the president doesn't actually do anything.
It doesn't matter if Hillary wins. It wouldn't have mattered if Bernie Sanders had won. Legislative Branch is firmly Republican and will remain so indefinitely because we got to redraw the districts to intentionally exclude as many welfare rats as possible.
So I guess you can eat shit, and I can go buy another AR-15. The AR stands for Assault Rifle, you know, I think I heard Diane Feinstein say that once.
>>47914483
SHALL
NOT
BE
INFRINGED
>>47914483
>implying hillary will win
>last refuge of the BERNvictim
You had a chance with the geriatric seltzer boy, now its gone.
>>47914414
>Shall not be infringed.
Stop with this meme argument you fucking sheep; any and all parts and ammendments of the Constitution can be amended legally and constitutionally. No part of the Constitution is protected from amendment.
>>47914446
ayy lmao, why?
Gun debate to me seems to hinge on a hypothetical fantasy civil war between the United States federal government and its states. Why fantasise about that my dude? If there was a civil war it would be fucking miserable and wouldn't be anything like your video games. Your side, would likely have to resort to killing soft targets and using roadside IEDs. It would also ensure Chinese supremacy in this century as well as tanking the economies of the entire developed world.
Even your constitution says that guns belong to your state's national guards yet you still think you're entitled to owning this shit. Western Europe, Australia, Canada and New Zealand get along just fine without mass shootings from ar 15s and stuff.
Plus like I said, if there was a civil war, then your semiauto ar 15 wouldnt do shit anyway. You'd have to rely on the aid of foreign powers to train and fund you with real military grade weapons. Can't you just wait until then?
>>47914559
I can't hear you over the sound of me legally owning as many fucking guns as I want while your ass is bleeding from butthurt. Man up or get the fuck out of America if you hate it so much.
>>47914314
>>47914572
Because why the fuck not? The media just keeps pushing a ban to the AR-15 meme semi auto or not you know how easy it is to get guns that are almost exactly the same as an AR 15
>>47914544
>look mom, I'm memeing!
I'm pro gun-rights, but could you faggots stop with this rhetorical drivel? It makes you look incapable of any thought, let alone critical thought, beyond shouting slogans, mantras, and catchphrases.
>>47914528
>what is the Supreme Court
Have fun when Hillary puts 4 liberals on the bench and it's controlled by the left for 35 years. They have the power to overturn all those past 2nd Ammendment rulings.
>>47914572
Atleast my country lets me buy forks
>>47914528
I'd believe you if you weren't a troll.
But you are, so I don't.
Trying too hard by the way.
>>47914544
Probably not, no.
But GOP can't get much done either.
Isn't it grand? The Dems are futile and accomplish nothing, but so does the GOP.
>>47914554
Betcha $100 US dollars that she does.
>>47914559
That would have to involve the Libshits getting the 2/3rds majority required to amend the constitution. Good luck on that--they can barely even enforce regulations in their own states. Gun Control is a dead issue. California's going to be Shall-Issue in another ten years.
>>47914572
Nope. Constitution says very clearly that because a militia is required for the security of a free state, the right of the PEOPLE to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. The Federalist Papers clarify this further saying that this should in no case be taken to mean that the people should ever be derprived of their arms. Learn how to read faggot.
>huu huu huu muh Western Europe
Daily reminder that Europe has a near-equal rate of Mass Shootings to the USA. Probably higher after Paris. Good work failing utterly at crafting an argument, not that I'd expect anything less from a hoplophobic loser.
>>47914584
>implying I'm against gun rights
You don't need to be a liberal gun grabbed to call out shifty non-arguments.
>if you hate America
I love America, which is why I want it to succeed and prosper in spite of some of its more paradoxical values.
>>47914613
....
Really, man? If you're going to forgo an argument in favour of an insult at least make it funny or clever
>>47914523
Imagine that your nation is a single person or perhaps a family at a town hall meeting. Your group is generally able to agree on shit, you may have strong opinions but if forced to make a decision you could hash it out. America is 50 of those groups at the town hall meeting compounded with the fact that you also have an arbitrary disagreement over sports teams (Democrats and Republicans). Most people are normal, most people don't give a shit about the retarded issues and generally agree on the big ones. But the discussion goes like this
>Alright guys, I was thinking we should decide if transgender people should be able to use whatever bathroom they want
>I disagree with you because you are the opposite political party to me
>I agree with you because you are the same political party as me
>I agree because I really don't give a shit about this
>I disagree because change is bad
>I disagree because I'm very conservative, I have no idea what a transgendered person is but it's not part of my daily life so it doesn't deserve to be legal
>I agree because I am on the cusp of socio-economic change and this improvement would benefit mankind for all eternity
>If I agree with you I won't be nominated to come back to this meeting, so I disagree
>FUCK NIGGERS
>>47914625
>Gun Control is a dead issue.
Good, I'm glad it's dead; SHALL NOT INFRINGE is still a shit argument.
>>47914642
I think it was a joke against Britain
>>47914609
They don't have the power to do shit except make further restrictions constitutionally legal--but state legislature will not pass any further restrictions, period.
>>47914621
What a magical universe you live in where refusing to be robbed by leftist cowards is "trolling." You will never take my guns, loser.
>>47914657
Nope. It's the text of the amendment. It makes my feel all warm and fuzzy inside to know that you cannot argue against this without whining and flailing your disgusting little liberal arms and screaming HUU HUU HUU YOU HAVE NO RIGHTS
But I do. They're there in black and parchment beige, clear as crystal, SHALL
Why haven't we banned assault hands, an even more deadly weapon than rifles?
>>47914572
>Even your constitution says that guns belong to your state's national guards yet you still think you're entitled to owning this shit.
See >>47914241 you can keep saying that but it doesn't make it true.
>>47914609
The government literally shut down for what? three months this year because we couldn't decide on the national budget. I doubt a single president can do anything at this point
>>47914651
>>I disagree because I'm very conservative, I have no idea what a transgendered person is but it's not part of my daily life so it doesn't deserve to be legal
>>I agree because I am on the cusp of socio-economic change and this improvement would benefit mankind for all eternity
Ebin meme you fucking faggot
>HURRY LE EBUL KEKSERVATIVES, DE LE NARWHAL BACON xd
>accepting delusion
>benifitting mankind
>>47914657
It's the fucking constitution you mong.
>>47914301
That's litterally the point. The founders wanted a weak and ineffective governemnt so they could go back to making bank on smuggling.
>>47914660
>You will never take my guns, loser.
I have my own already.
Why would I need yours again?
>>47914686
>your disgusting little liberal arms
>liberal
Are you incapable of reading, or what?
I AGREE WITH YOU, but SHALL is still a retarded non argument that only works for people who only argue with slogans and rhetorical one liners. It's utterly plebeian.
>ITT: liberals getting BTFOed again
when will they learn???
>>47914699
I honestly have no idea what you're trying to say. Did you actually get triggered by greentext?
>>47914737
He's probably the troll, guy.
He'd just trying to get responses and rises out of you. In real life it's quite likely he holds no particular political views one way or the other.
>>47914621
>Betcha $100 US dollars that she does.
I don't believe you got the money, NEET. Besides, when Obama and Hillary start shilling their anti-gun nonsense, arms sales go through the roof.
People aren't buying just to hand them over. That should give you a clue as to what is going to happen in the future.
>>47914704
And it can be changed, and it is not perfect, and is utterly devoid of any meaning on whether the second ammendment's currently the wording is acceptable or not.
It's the constitution for Fucks sake, not a holy book. It is ultimately comprised if man's laws, and can be changed according to man's will.
>>47914737
It's not a shitty non-argument, it is the literal text of the law. It means that unless they can get the 2/3rds majority required to amend the constitution, as of now all forms of gun control are unconstitutional. Even California is losing the fight against this thanks to those Pink Pistol faggots, god bless their little hearts.
They are never going to get that majority--trends in fact indicate to the contrary.
>>47914699
calm down
>>47914699
I live in North Carolina and I really hate HB2. Transgender people aren't hurting anybody, who cares if they use opposite bathrooms. I don't.
Nobody even acknowledges the real reason for it which is that it enabled to state government to overturn locals laws it didn't approve of indefinitely. Gee, I'm totally sure that the city of Charolette going to have a referendum on raising the minimum wage to 15 dollars didn't have anything to do with that piece of legislation.
>>47913656
/sp/ here, no. Flags suck
>>47914286
Since 4chan has existed, I don't think /pol/ has ever, for one day, in any board that has more than one post an hour, ever. EVER stayed out.
>>47913656
You don't want it. /pol/ has never been the same since it became easy to pick out Australians.
>>47914596
Why? we aren't going to convince anyone, especially here. The anti-gunners wont stop either, so why should we take the high-road and Romney ourselves into irrelevancy?
Nah friend. Rhetoric is the new dialectic. Modern politics has shown that to be the case.
>people actually think their little assault rifles would do shit against the government
The government has tanks, jets and artillery. If the government wants to kill you, then there's nothing your dinky little peashooters can do about it.
>>47914803
I realize that not all shitposters are Australians.
>>47914286
This from Atechan right?
You cant win anyway you either have to believe in hardcore liberal or hardcore conservative
>>47914819
Yeah. This was decisively proven in Afghanistan and Iraq, and is why those countries are incredibly stable, western democracies today.
>>47914088
Yeah it's a Anti AA Gun loaded with bean bag, at that range though it probably caused massive eternal bleeding
>>47914686
NOT
>>47914769
>People aren't buying just to hand them over. That should give you a clue as to what is going to happen in the future
Actually the law is more about registering that you own one, which I'm personally okay with since I only have the two and thus there won't be much paperwork for me anyway.
I mean they already have a register on me for my car, so it's not like I'm "hidden" from them or anything. I know some /k/ guys that never buy a car and spend it all on guns but they don't usually vote at all either do I don't particularly care what they think.
>>47914769
A repeat of the Bird Sanctuary Incident?
>>47914828
>I realize that not all shitposters are Australians.
Go to bed Nigel
>>47914774
Wrong. It's a road trip suicide pact and your the unarmed one sitting in the car. The suicide pact isn't just gonna honor itself, and your hardly in the position to dictate who goes first.
>>47914776
>. It means that unless they can get the 2/3rds majority required to amend the constitution,
Then it means it can be infringed.
Let me ask you another question; if it ever is amended, will you accept the decision of your fellow citizens and the states?
>>47914819
What are they going to do with tanks and jets?
Bomb American population centers and run over protestors?
Nobody's gonna do that shit.
>>47914776
So, if they do manage to get 2/3rds, would the argument become invalid, that easily? It feels kinda circular, we support it, because it can't be infringed. It can't be infringed aslong as we support it...???
>>47914867
Lay off the shrooms, Sancho moonchild
>>47914798
>/pol/
>old 4chan
Are you retarded? /pol/ came about in like 2012, before that it was /n/ which was the news board that functioned very similar to /pol/.
I've been here since 2007 and I remember the proliferation of alt right wing content beginning around the time of Anita S. being discovered on /v/ in 2011. Things really spiraled out of control with that. 4chan was default iconoclastic, anti-authoritarian left wing usually.
>>47914862
Goddamn, as someone who lives in Oregon I just got so fucking embarassed about that shit.
Why the fuck couldn't have those sad assholes stayed in....where was it, Ohio? The place that kicked them out so they came here and spouted their bullshit even though nobody asked them and nobody wanted them to.
>>47914819
I'm sure American soliders will gladly follow orders from government officials to murder unarmed American citizens.
>>47914882
Rebels are not citizens, and only citizens are Americans
>>47914905
This website Stormfront made it there mission to infect and cause fear throughout 4chan
>>47914882
China or Russia might. Someday. Not in foreseeable future.
