Magic: The Gathering Modern General
(competitive discussion)
>Playing?
>Brewing?
>Favorite deck?
>Your local Meta?
>Next MTG Purchase?
The updated Modern Metagame is below.
The overall Modern Metagame.
Information on Tiers and how they're calculated:
http://modernnexus.com/topdecks/
Direct link to the spreadsheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VwzQKE-QTxRqzZjZ2n0o1Cp80enNcYQACf3d7xlsVDc/pubhtml
The paper Modern Metagame.
>>47756240
>Playing?
Jeskai Harbinger, Grixis Control/Midrange, Kiki-Chord.
>Brewing?
Jeskai Kiki-Harbinger (pic)
>Favorite deck?
The above 3.
>Your local Meta?
Jund/Abzan, Tron, Burn, Infect, Abzan Company, Zoo, Kiki-Chord, etc.
>Next MTG Purchase?
If EM prices tank, some legacy staples.
>>47756317
>EM prices tank
laugh.jpg
Does this chart seem accurate?
HOLY SHIT GUYS HOL UP
Have you seen Travis Woo's sick new Snake deck? It's an actual competitive tribal deck that utilizes snake tribal synergy!
Here it is OWNING UB Faeries!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fq0RqGkYtWY
>GR tron can have counters
>But any Uxx Can't have counterspell, that would break the game
Thanks Wizards
>>47756897
>blue gets negate which is a better counter than warping wail
>doesn't get counters
>>47756912
>Comparing a suboptimal spell on color to an optimal colorless spell
>>47756948
>implying negate doesn't see sideboard play despite warping wail being a sideboard card as well
>Playing?
Bw Martyr Proc, Soul sisters, Eldrazi&Taxes, Death and Taxes
>Brewing? Martyr proc with Thraben inspector and no serras
>Favorite deck?
Martyr Proc
>Your local Meta?
Literally everything. 30+ people with few duplicate decks at best.
>Next MTG Purchase?
4x Stoneforge Gp promo and Batterskull.
>>47756748
Reminder to ignore chart posts. They are made wrong on purpose and when they're not, they are wrong because people either have different definitions of terms or are uninformed.
Broke down and started building Burn (was Infect).
Bringing it to Dallas this month. We'll see how it goes.
Mono Green Stompy
>>47757919
I think this one was correct at the time.
Playable in a GW hate build or D&T?
>>47758600
>>47758696
Someone just discovered future sight?
>>47758600
Does that card count as vanilla for the purposes of Muraganda Petroglyphs??
>>47758696
if you have a way to recur a copy every turn it could be pretty sweet. I would totally make a deck if Phyrexian Reclamation was in Modern.
>>47758871
I could see it in a Chord deck with Eternal Witness
>>47758807
No but I love some of the obscure cards from it
>>47758600
leatherback baloth is better
no, you can't play both
>>47758939
Imperiosaur kills Baloth and doesnt die tho.
>>47759008
oh true
nvm put in 4
>>47759008
>4cmc
>3cmc
>>47759008
Higher cmc and no trample, makes it much less efficient as a beater than Leatherback Baloth.
>>47759367
Leatherback Baloth does not have trample
Both are vanilla creatures minus Imperiosaurs basic land restriction
>>47759235
>>47759367
But on the plus side Imperiosaur won't die to Abrupt Decay where as Baloth will!
>>47759543
>Abrupt Decay
Doesn't work on creatures anyway
>>47759543
Run both in a different kind of Mono Green Stompy thats focused on bigger drops. Run it with some Ramp like Cultivate or Rampant Growth.
>>47759597
>/tg/ is bad at magic: the post
So I guess all those Twin players who got their deciever exarch abrupt decayed in response to Splinter Twin dont exist
>>47759597
N O N L A N D P E R M A N E N T
>>47759608
Avenger of Zendikar and Kalonian Twingrove seem good in a ramp strategy
>>47759608
>>47759671
>>>casual
Free Spells Delver guy reporting in.
Match 1 Game 1 vs Grishoalbrand
Kept hand of 3 Delver Bolt Squelch and 2 lands since it seemed fun
Slammed t1 Delver, got Inquisition and lost Bolt
Flipped Delver off of a Forked Bolt and beat for 3
Snared a Goryo's and won off beats
Sideboard
brought out my GY interaction for some Gy hate
-3 Snapcasters
-2 Lavamancers
-1 Electrolyze
+2 Dispel
+2 Relic of Progenitus
+2 Pithing Needle
Match 1 Game 2
Kept a risky 1 lander with a Delver, Forked Bolt, Pyromancer and Spell Snare
Risked tapping out t1 after opponent played scry temple
Flipped Delver
Countered Goryo's, Snapbacked 2 Borbys and had to fight through a Nourishing Worldspine, though remanded a second and third Nourishing
Drew Relic and exiled GY to close out game.
Looking for SB suggestions, anything? I really like Electrickery vs Token and Elfball matchups but I've been considering a Firespout instead, since it won't hit flipped Delvers
first for they look real enough double sleeved from across the table
>>47759807
i love playing vs this list as spellweaver cause its a free win
you play reactively while i spam cheap discard and then drop my wincon when you're out of cards
>>47759807
>>47760644
desu not really because the deck has serious silver bullets but i like it enough that i just wanted to have spellweaver said in the thread
took a match against elves at modern, flame jab worldfire twice. gotta love repeatable pinging against 1/1s
>>47758600
>we're getting poopunk instead of muraganda
Kill me
Is scapeshift+prime time better than breach+prime time? You could play emrakul on breach..
>get some deck ideas from modern
>go to FGLS for modern this time around
>end the night with slightly more wins than losses
This format is shit and fuck you faggots or telling me otherwise I'm going back tolegacy
>>47758600
Just play Deadbridge Goliath you dip.
>>47761907
You don't even make sense. You're just mad because bad
So I've been doing some thinking lately, and I've come to the conclusion that EDH players are literally sub-human.
>>47762398
Wow cool. Super related to the thread.
>>47756848
SHILL
>>47756748
Storm needs to be way higher
>>47756748
>Zoo and Burn
>Linear
>BGx
>Fair
Come on guys, you aren't even trying.
>>47763146
>Actually being so retarded you think Zoo and Burn aren't Linear and BGx variants are unfair
>>47756912
>>47756948
>>47756981
You guys realize Warping Wail has more than one mode, right? Like seriously Oath has to have the stupidest design template of any Modern set since Mirrodin.
>>47763185
Agreed except imo Warping Wail is based. Truly feels like a 6th color.
A better comparison for it would Dimir Charm.
>>47763173
Zoo plays something like 27 creatures, so it has more potential lines of play than any other deck in the format. Which creature do you drop? Do you attack with them? When? How many? Do you target your opponent with your burn spells? No other deck has to make this many decisions, so many ways, with so many options.
BGx is the most unfair deck in the format, remove everything with hard removal, slam down a 2 mana 5/6, and use a planeswalker printed on a $100 bill to grind you out of cards. Removal, big creatures, and expensive cards, literally everything unfair in the format.
It's pretty clear that decks in Modern shouldn't be able to get an advantage without using creatures, and that the creatures they use should be fairly costed.
>>47763315
What in the actual fuck am I reading?
>>47763315
Do you even know what an unfair deck is?
>>47762382
The fact that modern is stale as fuck. Everyone is either running ad nauseam, jund, or infect. Modern is a shit format
>>47763315
This must be a spicy new pasta, let's rewrite it and shitpost on the EDH casuals thread
>>47763350
Magic is meant to be a game of creature combat and the skill-testing decisions related to it. Not "kill you/do things from hand" bullshit that plagues the game from shitty design decisions.
Every deck in Modern that doesn't use creatures has been banned, and rightfully so. As well as basically every banned card being in some way related to the stupid zero-skill from-hand shit that nobody wants to play with.
Modern players want to play with creatures, and the interactions therein. Nothing else.
>>47763395
An unfair deck is a deck that uses things other than creatures to win the game. Also known as an unskilled deck.
>>47763462
No you utter retard, that is NOT what an unfair deck is.
an unfair deck is designed to break a fundamental status quo of the game (like having 3 mana on turn 3 for example, an unfair deck is bypass that). Usually (but not always), unfair decks are combo decks, but they can be aggro in some fringe cases (like Affinity which bypasses mana needs with a lot of 0 mana permanents).
Storm is an unfair deck because it can kill you in one turn regardless of your life total.
Jund is a completely fair deck that has to deal with your threats and kill you through conventional means.
And unskilled has nothing to do with unfair. Those are completely unrelated.
>>47763511
>Jund is a completely fair deck that has to deal with your threats and kill you through conventional means.
But it doesn't deal with your threats through conventional means (ala blocking them with it's creatures), it just destroys them from hand with bullshit single-card removal. And it doesn't kill you through conventional means, it kills you by only paying a 2 mana for a 5/6 and using a planeswalker to eat your hand.
Neither of these involve attacking with reasonably costed creatures, and thus are completely unfair.
>>47763589
You sound like a standard babby whose deck rotated so you played modern FNM with your shitty KTK-OGW deck and got your ass handed to you by Jund.
You should go try legacy next and then tell me how unfair Jund is.
>>47763462
This guy is le trolling, he was doing it earlier. Very sarcastic come on people. Stop giving him (you)'s
>>47756240
Is BW Tokens still worth playing?
>>47764065
It used to be great against Jund until they got KCommand. Beats Affinity and Burn pretty handily tho.
The problem is Infect, Tron, and any other unfair deck will eat you alive.
>>47756240
Are cards in eternal masters modern legal now?
>>47764180
Only the ones that already were. Cards have to go through standard to be Modern legal, so cards lake Toxic Deluge and True-Name Nemesis aren't Modern legal, despite being Modern-bordered cards.
>>47763997
You guys think Im trolling, but look at the Modern banlist. Every single deck that has ever won with hand interaction has been banned into the dirt, and no deck that actually wins with creatures has ever even been touched.
The only time real decks have ever even been close to touched was when they banned Nacatl, the strongest creature in Modern. But they immediately realized that was against the spirit of the format, apologized to us real Magic players, and unbanned it.
>>47763646
You can complain all you like, if you play without winning with creatures, your deck WILL be banned, it's only a matter of time friendo :)
Ban Jeskai ascendancy
>>47764446
>no deck that actually wins with creatures has ever even been touched
Amulet Bloom
Blazing Shoal
Bloodbraid Elf
Deathrite Shaman
Treasure Cruise
All these cards were primarily featured in decks that win via attack phase (except Bloom Titan had another route, of course).
>You guys think Im trolling
>your deck WILL be banned
Since decks don't get banned, that's one of many reasons people think you're trolling.
Either way, go peddle your ignorance elsewhere. You can probably find some casuals at your lgs that will listen to your nonsense.
>>47765084
Why?
>>47765649
Don't forget Stoneforge, which was all about getting expensive equipment and laying beats.
>>47765678
But it was never Modern legal.
>>47765704
because it was banned...
>>47765751
>laying beats
>never legal
>objection
It was never legal, so there were never any beats with it.
>>47765873
It showed its potential in non modern formats. It was powerful enough to be banned off the bat in modern.
We've seen it in action, just not in this environment.
I'm buying a set of goyfs for $400 on friday, what's the stupidest fucking deck I can cram them in? I'm thinking of making a monogreen poorfag special and cramming them in there
Nothing is objectively broken like Eldrazi Winter, but man I wish they would nuke 8ED and 9ED completely.
>Blood Moon
>Choke
>Boil
>Boiling Seas
>Ensnaring Bridge
>Worship
>UrzaTron
Modern would probably be better without these cards, but I don't care that much. The shake up would be fantastic though. Elegantly banning Tron and removing the bullshit cards as a bonus.
>>47765982
Bushwacker Zoo.
>>47765998
Not this shit again...
>>47765998
Why? Five out of Seven of those you mentioned are all enchantments and permanents so as a result they can be dealt with or interacted.
Ensnaring Bridge has been legal for the start and nobody gave a shit about it for ages. It's also an artifact and a permanent and is once again easily dealt with and answered. It's also an artifact so cards like Krosan Grip and Nature's Claim can deal with the above six you mentioned.
You may have some argument for tron since there's a lack of universal land destruction to punish the big mana decks. But without Tron then Jund will just end up being played in a ridiculous metashare. Personally speaking Grove of the Burnwillows should be banned and Punishing Fire unbanned. We've seen RG Tron survive just fine using Karplusan Forest so this shouldn't even be an issue.
>>47766115
>Grove of the Burnwillows should be banned
If /tg/ was in charge of the banlist, it would end up more fucked than that idiotic Commander banlist.
>>47765982
Why are you buying things you don't need? Why are you spending $400 only to run a suboptimal "poorfag deck"? Find a cheaper deck to play, or slowly piece together a good deck.
"It's on sale, so I'd be a fool to not buy it now!" Is how grocery stores sell you a case of oatmeal that will sit in your pantry for a year before you throw it out.
>>47766186
>slowly piece together a good deck
I think that's what he's doing, eventually.
>>47765649
>Amulet Bloom
Plays ramp spells and lands into a Hive Mind, only uses a creature to do more of that.
>Blazing Shoal
Is literally a spell you play from hand to win the game
>Bloodbraid Elf
>Deathrite Shaman
Besides being BGx cards, and thus inherently unfair, Bloodbraid's only purpose is to cheat out a removal spell or Planeswalker. It's also very questionably banned after all this time.
DRS doesn't attack, but is still strong, ergo isn't a creature that attacks to win the game.
>Stoneforge/Jitte
Artifacts arent creatures.
>Treasure Cruise
Literally the definition of playing more spells from hand. Play a draw spell to reload to play more spells from hand.
>Since decks don't get banned
>Twin
>Storm
>Dredge
>Post
>Bloom
>Blue decks
None of these decks exist because of the banlist, none of these decks won through creature combat. Nor will any deck that wins without creature combat survive upcoming bannings.
Nor will any deck that wins through creature combat ever suffer a banning, because they're the real decks in Modern that people want to play.
>>47766165
Punishing Fire was the wrong ban. They should have banned the enabler/engine piece(Grove) and not PFire. WotC did the same now in regards to Summer Bloom and Eye of Ugin. PFire at least has marginal uses for particular type of matchups and situations without being gamebreaking.
>>47766115
Just because cards have answers don't mean they are any good for the format as a whole. Besides, they are not *broken*, just toxic. If these cards were never legal and WotC announced a reprint in Eldritch Moon, we would all lose our shit.
Jund may get bigger, but Jund has other bad matchups. It's called a 50-50 deck, but in reality it has the problem of drawing the wrong half of the deck due to having so many decks to beat via different angles. The Bob hand isn't always the hand that works, for example.
Also I do not think Grove is a problem card. It's a very powerful land, no doubt. But Grove is not what makes Tron a real monster.
>>47766186
because I'd rather buy them now at $100/each then later when I actually need them for $140+/each.
I WILL eventually have a deck for them. they were always on my list of shit to buy eventually. I'm not going to turn down a deal on goyfs just because they're currently a lower priority.
plus I can play a budget deck with goyfs and piece together a stronger non-budget deck while I have something playable for modern night
>>47757247
Id say boggles should be all the way on the linear scale, there is almost 0 thought in playing it, this is coming from someone who plays boggles, it is mind numbingly easy.
The largest decision is vs control and it's pretty much just sequencing so that they counter your worse auras first
>>47766223
There is literally no situation where Punishing Fire works with anything but Grove.
>>47766243
They're all very narrow sideboard hate cards to specific decks. Furthermore I would argue that those cards let lower tier decks or brews stand a chance against higher tier decks. At the same time there's only so much hate you can pack for one colour or so. Choke may hate on the Merfolk or U-Tron guy but isn't going to do jack shit if someone was packing Blood Moon maindeck. Furthermore decks like Elves may already be going too fast by the time you even get any land disruption out.
Grove isn't what makes Tron the real monster but the land is very powerful in the format for that deck allowing it to literally play a free reverse painland in a deck that does not care about your lifetotal and can easily always fetch it in many ways without fetchlands..
>>47766314
>There is literally no situation where Punishing Fire works with anything but Grove.
>literally no situation where Punishing Fire works
You mean like whenever an opponent gains life? Pretty sure that's not "literally no situation" in this case and "actually a situation" now. Do you even read the card?
>>47764103
In my experience you can go toe to toe with Jund, Company decks and Burn, absolutely rape Affinity, Infect and Zoo, but Tron and UBx/UWx Control are unbeatable.
>>47766249
well then perhaps check out MonoG stompy. It's actually pretty damn decent. Leatherback Baloth wearing Rancor hits pretty damn hard. Switch Goyf in with whatever 2-drop you don't like, maybe run something else instead of Aspect of Hydra. Or still do it if 1 less devotion off it when goyf is out doesn't bother you.
>>47764103
I don't quite foresee how Kcommand is that good against B/W tokens?
Just started playing mtg and I wanna start playing modern. I bought a SOI deck builders toolkit and around 17 boosters. You guys have any tips for me, regarding which packs I should gamble on? Should I buy a booster box?
>>47766384
Yeah brb building a deck based around paying mana to recur a Shock the one time my opponent plays a Kitchen Finks. Such value.
Wtf do you think Sisters is a deck or something?
>discover a combo no one has tried of
>requires 6 lands/mana and 2 turns
>deals 10 damage for free
Should I just stop theory crafting? Everytime I think about things I look back on lightning bolt, 3 dmg for 1 mana.
>>47766563
You're an idiot, nobody said anything about building an entire deck around PFire you straw building cucklet.
>>47766249
Where are these said 100$ goyfs? I wouldn't mind picking up a set as well.
>>47766549
Modern is fuuuuuckiing expensive. Try out standard first. Don't buy sealed products. Buy singles. Don't play half-assed decks. Get good sleeves, get a cardboard box for storage of cards, organize it.
>>47766609
Guy I know and used to play magic with. I think he needs money. last I heard about him he couldn't really afford his house and car payments so I guess he's down to selling shit from his MTG collection.
>>47756748
>>47762926
I still have the original .psd document from when I made this, anyone want me to try to update it?
>>47766668
Thanks familia. I'll try to find a card shop that plays standard. Closest one to me mostly plays modern and commander
Zoo plays something like 27 creatures, so it has more potential lines of play than any other deck in the format. Which creature do you drop? Do you attack with them? When? How many? Do you target your opponent with your burn spells? No other deck has to make this many decisions, so many ways, with so many options.
Tron is the most unfair deck in the format, remove everything with hard removal, slam down a 10 mana 10/10 that exiles 2 permanents with 4 lands, and use a 7 mana planeswalker printed on a $40 bill to dick all your permanents and exile your shit on turn 3. Removal, big creatures, and expensive cards, literally everything unfair in the format.
It's pretty clear that decks in Modern shouldn't be able to get an advantage without using creatures, and that the creatures they use should be fairly costed.
>>47766988
Where would you put Delver decks? They interact quite heavily but I wouldn't call Delver a fair creature.
>>47767044
I'd put them into the trash where they belong. Delver was a mistake
>>47766590
Then why else would you pay 2 mana for a Shock? Literally the only time it sees play in Legacy is to recur and lock out decks that use weenies.
>>47767080
Yeah that's Legacy, this is Modern and isn't the same. Legacy also has Wasteland which Modern does not.
So a few weeks back someone posted a build for GW Enchantress and I was wondering what ever happened to that and if anyone has a build for it.
Rate my shit brew
Enchantments -
3 Doubling Season
Sorcercys -
4 Search for Tomorrow
2 Savor the Moment
2 Harmonize
4 Serum Visions
Planeswalkers -
2 Garruk Wildspeaker
2 Tamiyo, the Moon Sage
1 Nicol Bolas, Planeswalker
1 Jace, Architect of Thought
2 Karn Liberated
1 Narset Transcendent
1 Ral Zarek
Instants -
2 Fog
3 Path to Exile
2 Lightning Bolt
2 Ensnaring Bridge
2 Holy Day
Lands -
2 Stomping Ground
3 Breeding Pool
2 Hallowed Fountain
1 Steam Vents
2 Temple Garden
3 Misty Rainforest
2 Scalding Tarn
2 Flooded Strand
1 Island
1 Swamp
1 Forest
1 Plains
1 Mountain
1 Overgrown Tomb
1 Blood Crypt
Side
Semi concrete
1 Thragtusk
1 Jace, the Living Guildpact
2 Jace Beleren
3 Thoughtseize
1 Ugin, the Spirit Dragon
Was for eldrazi
1 Hysterical Blindness
2 Kolaghan's Command
3 Rending Volley
1 Lightning Bolt
I have a different version with no black sideboard cards and more of an focus on rug/w control.
>>47767355
Whoops, the ensnaring bridges are obviously artifacts, my bad.
>>47767355
No oath of nissa?
>>47767415
I've played 20-ish games with this deck, and i haven't really ran into a problem with color fixing.
I have tried them, and i found that the serum visions work better in more situations, with the serum visions allowing me to get my ensnaring bridge / holy days while the oaths only grab doubling / a planeswalker.
I could probably make a more enchantment centered version of the deck, but this version is pretty fun to play right now.
>>47767095
Yeah, and in the theoretical situation where Punishing is unbanned, Grove would be perm-Wastelanded by the banlist, and Punishing would be useless.
>>47767473
Not necessarily. PFire if unbanned right now still has uses against any decks gaining life as either a pad or part of a combo. e.g Courser of Cruphix or Finks-Melira/Anafenza combo.
>>47764065
I'm currently playing it and I love it. Tron and scapeshift are definitely the hardest match ups followed by merfolk I'd say.
>>47764103
Jund is actually a pretty easy match up I'd say. Especially g2 siding in Rest in Peace
What's the best way to cash out of paper MTG?
I love legacy, but I just figured I play it less than 10 times a year, so I want out.
>>47767583
Sell to a private collector. Seeing as you play Legacy there may be people who will offer to buy your entire deck outright.
>>47767583
Don't cash out, you will end up going back to the game 5 years later and then everything will be even more expensive.
>>47767583
keep your legacy deck, sell everything else. formats like modern and standard are transient and meaningless, but a legacy deck is something to cherish.
>>47767583
Sell everything but your legacy deck on ebay or tcgplayer. The legacy deck will have precious memories and the price will hold.
>>47767559
For merfolk you can side in Worship. They won't be able to do anything unless they have echoing truth(which isn't typical).
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/blueblack-horror-4/
will my deck survive in modern after the cycle?
im not looking to spend more money
i play at a casual game stop, most people i would say are decent, only a few people who stomp
>>47768364
Thing in the Ice works in Modern but in a more Delver style shell. You will need to tweak a brew to adjust for your meta but there's potential. But otherwise no your deck as is now will not survive in Modern.
>>47768603
ok thanks for the advice
>>47768651
I'm not even sure why you're playing black in that list either. Despoiler of Souls isn't that powerful enough for you to splash into black. I mean I know it's a Horror but a Ruinous Path could help you out here instead.
Here's the thing. Been playing casually for a few years now. Description g here and there with friends. I have managed tonscrap together a pretty decent standard gw humans. This has inspired me to look into making a modern deck (friends also bought modern decks (delver, taking turns and death cloud)
I'm asking for advice on building the bw tokens budget deck. After playing on untapped with the ultra budget, budget and expensive version I'm settled on going for the budget and slipping in some cards from the expensive version. Where should I start?
http://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/budget-magic-95-36-tix-modern-white-black-tokens
At first I thought of getting rid of hero/bunrei for thought seize and bitter blossom. But that was when I thought bunrei didn't proc on counters. But apparently it does which makes me think it's a very worthwhile card.
Anyway, any help would be appreciated as I will be placing an order in a week's time.
Tldr: help me build a bw tokens deck using budget and expensive version.
Cheers pals.
>>47768763
Start with 4 Lingering Souls and 4 Intangible Virtue.
>>47768837
Cheers. I think I will buy the whole budget deck at once and add thought seize and bitter blossom to it too.
>>47763438
Thus a new pasta is born.
>>47756748
How is Tron more unfair than Scapeshift?
>ramp to planeswalkers and Ulamog
>resolve one spell and win on the spot
>>47763438
I'm a modern player and I don't want to play with creatures.
>>47768871
Thoughtseize is overrated. It's amazing in your opening hand (though even then it's sometimes not enough on the draw), but utter garbage on turn 10. If you're low on funds then honestly just ignore Thoughtseize. Run Sin Collector in your sideboard for decks like Scapeshift.
>>47756748
>Jund is the best deck in the format
>Somehow also the most fair
I guess unfair just means "things that you don't like"
>>47767016
I can't honestly tell if this is bait.
>>47769053
Thanks friend. I had seen another list somewhere that contain a b/w creature for 2 mana. But I think it just exiled and returned when he left the battlefield.
>>47769467
Tidehollow Sculler. He's a fantastic creature to drop on turn 2 against a lot of decks and is pretty cheap to get hold of. Take a Burn player's Lightning Bolt and they're never getting it back.
>suddenly realizeshe doesnt want to give a fuck about his opponent
>still wants to be turning creatures sideways
>start trading to build Bogles
How much of a shitter am I?
>>47769541
there is nothing wrong with playing linear non interactive decks
I hate playing them because I get salty as fuck when my opponent can just say "no" with a manaleak or some sideboard shit so i stick to interactive decks
Just play whatever you enjoy, anyone who gets mad at you for what you choose to play in a childrens card game is either mentally ill or a child
>>47769541
You might as well just play Infect.
Finally got a Gravestorm list together that feels decent. Turns out you CAN run 4x Chord and 4x Return to the Ranks in a list and vomit 3+ of them turn 5.
>>47758812
Nope. Petroglyphs requires the text box to be blank. No abilities of any kind allowed.
Though with WotC's retarded design choices, I'm sure they'll just introduce a "counts as vanilla" keyword when the Muraganda block rolls out.
>>47763438
>Magic is meant to be a game of creature combat and the skill-testing decisions related to it. Not "kill you/do things from hand" bullshit that plagues the game from shitty design decisions.
I honestly can't tell if you're new or trolling. Either way, just, no.
>>47763646
KTK-OGW standard was actually vstuffed with midrange/combo decks (rally variants).
>>47768104
I might give that a try, thanks. The last game I played against merfolk, they actually did side in echoing truth but it could have been a fluke
>>47768763
If I were you, I'd run 2 Hero of Bladehold at max. I used to run her but I found that she was pathed or destroyed majority of the time and basically became a waste of a turn. The Inquisitions I would definitely run as a 4 of and I personally run 2 Thoughtseize and Duress in the side. That being said, if you want to run those you'll have to fix that mana base to have reliable black the first few turns.
I also used to run Promise of Bunrei but I don't think it's a great as it appears. If I were you, I'd play test whatever list you're trying to make on xmage or something
>>47771151
Yh I found the same with hero. I think I will run what you have advised. Have you swapped bunrei out? If so, what for?
>>47771288
Here's the list that I'm currently running. I originally started out on a budget and built up over time.
As for replacing Hero, I'd maybe add Gideon (I know he's kind of pricey) as he's both a token producer for free and if you need it in a pinch, he's another anthem. I also like Sorin, Solemn Visitor better as he gives your whole team lifelink and his ultimate is pretty useful against aggro decks if you can manage to defend him.
You could add another Sorin and maybe 2 Midnight Hauntings in Place of Hero as well since they're cheap
why don't more people run this? it's a great answer for removal which everyone runs. it's a hard counter with a draw for two mana. it won't counter creatures but it has so many great uses. maybe you run it sideboard and toss them in vs jund or something
>>47766995
Don't play standard. It's a horrible money sink because you need to get new cards every time it rotates, which now happens more frequently. Just dive deep and go straight for legacy. Cards prices fluctuate less, decks are rarely banned out of existence, and the budget decks are competitive and cheaper than modern "budget" decks. Plus it's a better format.
>>47771617
If youre trying to protect your creature, then youre playing a deck like delver or infect; i think splashing white into those builds is generally weak.
If youre using it to protect yourself, youre probably playing against burn and you have better hate available.
>>47771440 om
Looks great. How do you find the token generation. Playing with the budget version I like having instant speed tokens. If you don't mind I'm gonna play with your deck tonight on untap.
>>47756748
Some issues I have with this: Kiki-Chord and Podless Pod should definitely be fairer than the likes of Scapeshift, they are more likely to play a fair game. Zoo should not be at the extreme linear end. It generally has more interaction than stompy. Missing: Living End (unfair, towards linear), Jeskai Nahiri (borderline unfair, interactive).
>>47763404
>everyone is running ad nauseam
>>47766220
How do you think Twin wins if not by beating you to death with hasty Pestermites and Deceiver Exarchs?
Its only other route is Snapcaster Beats + Bolts.
>>47772275
Totally, go for it! Token generation is great most of the time. Others it sucks and I just don't draw many producers during a game but it's more of a rarity. I honestly prefer the Raise the Alarm shell as opposed to the Bitterblossom build. Blossom in my experience is too slow for my liking because even if you get it out turn 2, you still have to wait until turn 4 to attack with any of the produced tokens (assuming you dont have any other producers).
Your list adds more likelihood of producing tokens so I doubt it'll be an issue for you. One of the most important things about the deck is to not go all in and have a backup plan for board wipes because they will happen and if you have to way of recovering, you're screwed. I try to always keep one producer in my hand or leave Lingering Souls available until I need it in my grave
>>47763404
>everyone is running ad nauseam?
>in a meta where everyone is also running jund and infect, ad nauseam's two worst matchups
How.
>>47771151
Actually if you're running both the Intangible Virtue+Honor of the Pure package as anthems Hero of Bladehold is great in the side. Most people always side out spot removal against tokens so you can side her in and then BAM here is Hero.
>>47756748
Who the hell plays UW titans?
>>47772808
I can agree with this. I've actually been considering running her in my side because she can certainly be a powerhouse. Especially if you let the tokens resolve then Battle Cry pumping your team. Even without an Intangible Virtue or an Honor of the Pure, or any other tokens, when she attacks you can swing for 7
>>47771639
This is terrible advice.
>>47766995
Standard is a good way to start in the game. I highly recommend borrowing a decent deck from more established players at first until you hit your groove and see if you want to buy in.
Do the same with Modern.
Legacy as a format is something you invest in once you're emotionally invested in the game, otherwise you're stuck with a Legacy deck you have sunk a LOT of money into for next to no fun in return.
What happened to temur delver?
It placed twice and even won an Scg open a little while back but then dropped off the radar
>>47773141
Delver as a whole has dropped off.
>>47773338
But why? Cheap threats, cheap answers, quick clock. Even if delver isn't the best it can still run mandrillls and goyfs
>>47773428
Delver decks must be light on actual threats because they need a high instant/sorcery count. remove the 2-3 creatures that they do draw and it's pretty much RIP delver player. have fun top decking spell snare on turn 6.
>>47773839
You don't just let them kill your threats.
>>47773911
how do you counter abrupt decay? what do you do when they actually pay R3 when you mana leak their bolt? you gotta win real damn fast or things escape your control very quickly. modern delver doesn't have the same mana denial or ability to generate absurd tempo advantage as it does in legacy
>>47773991
Jund is a good deck but not 100% of the meta
>>47773991
Simic charm in response to decay
>>47774068
Cheeky cunt
>>47772654
Just been up against a burn deck that ran this artifact that allowed him to constantly cast spells for 2 mana. Returned all my tokens every turn....
>>47773991
Play siege rhino and kitchen finks, or just Junk in general, a real deck
>>47774416
Junk's barely a deck anymore. As soon as K command was available, everybody who was playing Junk switched to Jund
>>47774362
Isochron Scepter?
>>47763404
>ad nauseam
Who complains about ad nauseam?
>>47766575
>requires 6 mana
>also requires two turns
>for only 10 damage
Just play ad nauseam combo instead.
>>47774470
That's not true, it's just that everyone switched to playing Abzan Company rather than goodstuffs.dec
>>47772508
And v clique. Don't underestimate him.
>opponent casts scapeshift, saccing 7 lands
>doesn't know how valakut triggers work
>he only announced 1 trigger
>I said ok I'm taking 3
>bystanders can't coach
>I untapped and killed him through poison counters
wew lads
With the new werewolves and wolves out how well would a werewolf/wolf tribal work in modern? I know standard you can get by with a $25 budget werewolf deck but how fares the archetype in modern?
>>47776791
Your wolves won't flip. Too many cheap spells in modern
>>47776811
Ah. Well guess I'll enjoy the werewolf filled standard while it lasts.
>>47774362
Isochron Scepter? Also what was the spell he used to bounce tokens considering he's playing burn? Just side in Stony Silence, Disenchant/Sundering Growth
Should I sell my Lilis and get goyfs?
>>47773991Mizzium Skin
>>47776570
explain this to someone who is new so i dont make the same mistake
>>47777334
Pretend to be autistic, announce every action and trigger or fagginators like that guy will go full playground mode with "YOU DIDN'T SAY IT SO IT DOESN'T COUNT LOLO"
>>47777372
this is why i haven't gone to the shop yet
ive been enjoying playing the game with my 5 friends who play it
but i dont want to play against
>spergs who yell at me for not knowing everything
>spergs who only play to stomp new players
i just want to have fun and play a card game, but some of the people i see at the card shop make me not want to play
Is eldrazi taxes decent, I used to play Deadguy and my friends say its kinda similar? I have Legacy D&T and dont want to spend a ton of money to have a modern deck,
>>47777485
At local casual REL(aka FNM) events you aren't allowed to miss mandatory triggers unless they're MAY triggers in the above case of Valakut+Scapeshift. If it's the case of Valakut and the case of Scapeshift you can stop and check your trigger/mountain count.
>Creatures
3x Doomed Traveler
4x Young Wolf
3x Blisterpod
1x Cartel Aristocrat
3x Zulaport Cutthroat
4x Blood Artist
4x Voice of Resurgence
1x Grim Haruspex
4x Viscera Seer
1x Eternal Witness
>Spells
4x Chord of Calling
2x Orzhov Charm
4x Return to the Ranks
2x Abzan Ascendancy
>Land
4x Windswept Heath
4x Marsh Flats
2x Temple Garden
1x Godless Shrine
1x Overgrown Tomb
1x Swamp
1x Plains
1x Forest
1x Dryad Arbor
1x Razorvenge Thicket
1x Sunpetal Grove
1x Isolated Chapel
1x Woodland Cemetery
Rate it.
>>47778005
um *pushes up glasses*
tecnicly you can only cast 4 power over hounds per turn *snorts*
unless you have a lava worm
HAHAHAHAHAHAH XDDDD get scooled NORMIE
fucking kill yourswelf
>>47777685
Go bant eldrazi
Abuse ancient stirrings while it's legal
>>47778005
At regular REL, mandatory triggers can still be completely missed. It's up to the judge to determine whether or not it would be too disruptive to add the trigger to the stack.
>>47777081
There's a card moonmist from original innistrad. It transforms your wolves instant speed.
>>47776791
>archetype
Fuck what Wizards have done to this word.
>>47777274
why not just bough them to chinamen?
>>47778220
Some mandatory triggers yes can be missed but at regular REL depending on the trigger in question I will sometimes correct and maybe rewind a part of the game state if there's an unannounced trigger or ability but one that's sort of generally implied.
(e.g FNM regular REL Player A is playing a Landfall aggro deck and cracks a fetch and attacks with Valakut Predator and Player B does not block. Player A says to Player B "take 4" I will generally rule that the landfall trigger pump is implied seeing as Player A did point out that the unblocked Valakut Predator is dealing 4 and not 2 but i will also let Player B rethink and reassign blocks if requested if no other cards were played to influence the combat like pump spells and encourage both players to be paying more attention and forthcoming with the information on any changed states in the game. )
>>47778334
Because I'm scared of getting 2/5 tramogoyf
>>47779717
tarmogoyf can't be a 2/5 wtf are you talking about?
>>47780275
Chinese fakes have misprints at times.
Fuck you're dense
>>47778280
It also kills flip walkers.
Hey guys. Was wanting some help with this list. It's not meant to be competative but would just like to speed it up. Any suggestions would be great.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/instant-transmission-would-like-help/
>>47781056
Blade splicer works pretty well with flicker effects. And eldrazi displacer can give you a repeatable flicker if you wanna work a few more colorless sources into it.
Deck's definitley not gonna be fast though.
>>47780683
>Not being currently aware of how chinamens fake are on today standards
Do research boy
>>47781260
They just are not. Some are good but not the goyfs
Would /tg/ recommend picking up affinity? I already have Infect built, and from what I understand are similar in play style, but wouldn't mind playing something more resilient.
>>47782149
I assume you have UG? Maybe you could try the GB version. You rely on discard instead to counterspells which seems interesting.
>>47782215
I like the tempo/aggro nature to the of UG version and feel that affinity would better encapsulate that feeling. What I'm trying to ask is if affinity is worth the price of admission?
Any reason not to buy into Ad Nauseam other than the Infect matchup?
cards burnt down a while ago with my house, I've gotten back on my feet and I'm looking to start up again
so what's the best deck for around 100$?
>>47782475
zombie hunt
>>47782482
fuck off
>>47782475
Monored Burn
>>47780734
Except Nissa!
>>47782515
it was a legitimate recommendation m8. there's not much in modern for $100 or less. you can probably throw together a budget UR delver build with a shoddy mana base for ~$100. or maybe monored/boros burn.
>>47782475
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/modern/budget-modern
most of the decks here are fucking terrible, but you get what you pay for I guess.
>>47782592
that's the most in consistent deck there are so much better than that gimmicky deck
>mono red burn
>TITI B/U
>U/W clue flash
>red-white allies
>
>>47782642
never heard of any of them except for monored burn.
>>47782658
>TITI U/B
decent control deck with thing in the ice thrown in
40$
>clue flash
80$ gimmick deck
>allies
Allie buff deck, kinda zoo
100$
all fine for casual play at the local game shop
not going to win any tournys
but also not going to break the bank
>>47776570
It's assholes like you why WoTC is making their product kidproof by:
>removing the word 'may'
>spelling out every card's goddamn possibility in full
>give aggressive shit the clause that requires them to attack with it you dummy
>damage that doesnt stack anymore
>no more solid one drop mana guys
>god forbid solid removal spells
thatswhywecanthavenicethings.jpeg
>>47782724
Sorry famiglio. I'm just following the rules.
>>47782790
fucking kill your self
people like you are the reason this game is going to die and shit like hearthstone will take over
>>47782852
Fuck off. It happened to me too. Forgot to announce my pyreheart wolf trigger (before menace was a thing) and he snap blocks. That valakut scrub learned a valuable lesson today and he'll never make the same mistake again.
>>47782894
*tips fedora*
you showed him
nothing personel kid
>>47782911
*unsheathes jitte*
sasuga /tg/...
>>47782894
"That valakut scrub learned a valuable lesson today and he'll never make the same mistake again"
What the fuck is going on in this thread
>>47774506
That's the one..i guess you just side board disenchant and and hope for the best. I managed to go 2-1 with him in the end. Also best death cloud and the pila deck. Death cloud was pretty easy desu. I've never seen the pila combo before so I made a mistake when I used thought seize and duress.
Think I'm gonna drop hero for more sorin, solemn visitor.
>>47782930
I triggered the anons who missed their triggers at some point in their magic gaming.
>>47782475
Mono G Stompy, Dredge, 8whack, Taking Turns.
Most of these decks are anywhere between $100-$300 max approx.
>>47782357
Jund
>>47777097
Yes thats the one..cant remember the bounce spell. Targeted creatures with the same name. I think it was down to me being new and not knowing what the hell his deck was gonna do next.
>>47782969
I don't think I've lost a single game to Jund with AN. Clock is slow, Liliana is slow, IoK doesn't hit Ad Nauseam g1, discard spells are blank post-board, they don't have counterspells nor white for efficient hate cards.
>>47782965
I second 8whack. It's a stupid kind of fun. Keep in mind Guide would totally improve it, but if you just need a pile of cards to play with at all, it can wait.
Is Spellskite even good anymore?
Even infect doesn't care much now
>>47783051
the fucked up thing is, its price will never recover. its forever 30-40$ sideboard card
>>47783041
It is literally impossible for you to win vs Jund if they resolve a Lili or have 2-3 discard spells.
Can someone throw me a "jund" deck that doesnt consist of bob goyf and lili?
just BRG good stuff. Things like, nighthawk, thundermaw hellkite
>>47783163
Why? Lili blanks your topdecks but if they land Lotv when you 4 cards, you "exchange" said cards for the combo pieces. IoK and TS don't go through Leyline g2/3 and by the time they topdeck pulse for the leyline you're most likely won already. Spoils builds have 7+ copies of both combo pieces. If you make your land drops/blooms/prisms and resolve Unlife you win the second you topdeck AN or a spoils with 5 mana leftover.
>>47783188
when you have 4 cards for example*
>Brewing
Trying to tweak CoCo elves a bit.
>>47783176
So you want to play Jund without actually playing Jund?
>>47783051
It's good in random situations and in brews you come up with for when you need a universal protection/answer to certain decks. Spellskite is one of those situational staples of Modern that can be thrown into just about any deck but isn't always just like how Top could easily go into any deck in Legacy but doesn't always need to.
>>47783229
Jund is just a tri color name???
>>47783248
You can play a bunch of shitty RGB cards thrown together with lightning bolts, but it won't be Jund
>>47783188
Not the same guy but Game 1 as Ad Nauseam against Jund is generally unfavoured. After board it tends to be more even though. The problem isn't whether they TS your Ad Nauseam or not, the problem is whether they can take your Blooms/Prisms to slow you down immensely and rip your hand apart to the point where you're in topdeck mode.
>>47783248
It's more than that. Esper for example houses decks like pure draw-go control and Ad Nauseam but Jund in every format (mostly just Modern and Legacy) is just the individually most powerful (and expensive) and versatile cards thrown on top of each other with the greediest possible mana base that doesn't auto-fold to Blood Moon.
>>47772866
I do, my favourite modern deck.
>>47781056
Flickerwisp! Just look into uw emeria family
>>47782534
Waifu is too pure to drink offbrand soda
>>47782894
Menace always has worked the same, its not a trigger its part of the card. Youre just mad because ur bad.
