Statistical Analysis 101 Edition
>Rules databases
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>FAQs
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>40k 7th edition quick reference sheet(s)
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4104995/Games/7edRef_V7.pdf
>Forgeworld Book index
http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Forge_World_and_Apocalypse_Rules_Index
>White Dwarves
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/tx4hcy4u487pv/WD
>Novels (Working link as of 02/02/2016)
https://mega.nz/#F!wx4BiKhD!YhnAf1BqSmAB8dO6xDM56Q
Are Rhinos less of a WAAC-fag vehicle choice in a Gladius than Razorbacks?
>>47732456
yeah they normally only equal first blood for my opponent in my games
>>47732456
Definitely.
>>47732456
Razorbacks are the worst choice of the three. If you don't want to be a faggot just don't take drop pods or grav cannons and rhinos.
>>47732485
Or don't take battle company at all.
Reposting. Is this a good name for an Eldar Corsair band?
>Lords of the Flayed Future
>if you want to have friends, don't play space marines
>>47732123
You tryin hard, man.
>>47732505
No one hates spesh marine players.
No one likes them either however.
>>47732505
>>47732614
Whats wrong with Space Marines and/or their players?
>>47732505
Every shop I have been to is obviously Space Marine Dominated in one flavor or another.
In the last thread an anon was saying astartes v astartes is his proffered match.
>>47732505
>if you want to have friends, don't play Eldar, Tau, or cheesy builds
FUCK YOU GW GIVE ME FREE DROP PODS
quick i need music to help me finish painting my DC help
>>47732601
With?
>>47732641
FUCK YOU GW GIVE ME
FREE DEVILFISH
>>47732625
Nothing.
They are just a scapegoat on /tg to ignore the fact most 40k player over 20 years old are giant faggots.
i literally have more fun playing with kids that with 90% of the actual, older fanbase.
>>47732625
Dubious knowledge of the rules.
They are okay though, Eldar players are literlly all faggots though I have played since 4th and they never change.
Necron players are 50/50 but are some of the biggest temper tantrum babies over bad dice rolls.
>>47732646
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2EBdvmnnkjY
>>47732636
>if you want to have friends, don't play cheesy builds
Ftfy
>>47732654
>i literally have more fun playing with kids
why dont you take a seat
>>47732648
Keeping a static general image. Other thread is page 5. You rushing new generals without new news or an edition worth making a new thread for. Only reason for hitting it that early is try and leave an argument behind or to try and get a jump on any other threadmaker.
It's funny though, so do what you do.
>>47732694
jokes aside, I had a game with some kiddo in a Gw store, and found more sportmanship and simply the will to fucking play a game to have fun that warhammer neckbeards lack.
its just obliterating the opponent with the most waacs list they could tailor.
game's not the problem, community is.
40k has devolved in one of the worse community ever saw by humankind.
>>47732641
HE RETURNS!
>>47732646
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DR2DbU5Uq-4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7QzxYAjgNc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRYf0L9c54c
>>47732646
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GWW2alayGw
So do the Salamanders even exist still or are they dead, Jim?
>>47732747
IM STILL PISSED THOSE LOYALIST cucks GET CATAPHRACTII IN 40K BUT THE FUCKING LEGIONS DONT
>hey gw why do csm cuck balls
>'oh its because all their shit is old and pre heresy'
THEN WHY DONT WE GET CATAPHRACTII
MOTHERFUCKERS
>>47732698
I wasn't part of your argument I just make Editions with Edition names on the last topic of the old threat if I can't think of anything.
>>47732832
Because they lost all their cataphractii in the horus heresy. Theres a reason why most space marine chapters who retain cataphractii have them shoved in a dusty corner 98% of the time. Theres also a reason why Chaos terminators fucking suck.
>>47732832
the demons ate all your cataphractii
maybe you should have thought about that before going chaos, fag
>>47732832
Should CSM just be 30k legions with more spikes and demon allies?
>>47732870
yeah, thats what they are supposed to be. just throw in some shitty custlists or something and its done
>>47732824
Alive and kicking.
>>47732832
To make you angry of course, Al'Kaps. CSM player rage is enough to make GW employees fertile for at least seven extra years. Oh and to make CSM players buy more daemons.
>>47732832
No, no, you see, once you reach a certain threshold of TOO old, like volkite, grav, cataphractii, and the dozens of ancient tanks like Spartans and Sicarans, Chaos don't get those because they're too old to keep in shape!
You guys only get things from the sweet spot of "old, but not too old" where all the shitty stuff is, like Indomitus and bolters.
>>47732682
>non-cheesy Eldar or Tau build
>non-faggot player who hasn't shelved his Eldar or Tau army in disgust
Those don't exist you silly goose.
>>47732889
Really? I've asked people about them at the local GW shops and they gave me looks like I was touched in the head.
>>47732870
Why not just use 30k rules for 40k games? What's the worst that could happen?
>>47732916
Maybe they gave you that look for asking?
>>47732941
Well I mean, I only ever see Ultramarines or Space Wolves at their tables so idk famiglia.
>>47732941
>What's the worst that could happen?
waacfag refusing to play you or you getting tabled in 2 turns because 30k sucks against 40k
>>47732958
>thinking that if you don't see Sallie players that means they're dead in-universe
There's your problem.
>>47732974
Bust out the nerf bat or the rework axe on everything that's a problem then.
>>47732974
30k legions is still probably better than the CSM dex.
Word Bearers specific unit as an example, someone compare it to Posessed.
>>47733002
>30k legions is still probably better than the CSM dex.
yeah probably. at least with 30k you can use drop pods
the problem with 30k vs 40k besides 30k paying more points for everything is that 40k can just nuke everything you have with grav or tau/eldar bullshit
>>47733077
True enough. Which is one reason I prefer 30k over 40k, less crap like that happening.
>>47732999
Well I mean, I don't play 40k. I'm actually too afraid of fucking up the paintjobs and model assembly that I just watch more times than not.Sallies are still my favorite Astartes because they purge everything in fire
>turn one
>draw domination and supremacy
>>47732915
I run 3 squads of guardians on foot
>>47733141
In a CAD or the decurion?
>>47733116
You're a good person.
>>47733169
Cad, why would I run war walkers and vypers when I can run vypers and listen to his new album and not be slow.
>>47733141
You act like footdar is as bad as the shit tier codexes. I doubt they're storm guardians.
>>47733116
just scrape off the mold lines before you glue everything. dont be intimidated by painting, space marines are the easiest thing to paint since they are big and typically 1 solid color.
the green for salamanders would be easy since youd get good coverage
>>47733002
>someone at Games WorkshopPhil Kellysaw these and thought "what neat rules, Space Wolves should get these"
>>47732842
I didn't even know there was an argument.
>>47733209
Artillery fucking destroys footdar no problem. And a unit with 12" guns and a weps platform that can kill maybe 3 normal guys are turn isn't much to talk about. Their greatness comes from the shrouded a warlock can give them but a dispell or ignore cover can save the day.
I could just be a massive homosexual and put them in wave serpents and never die but that's not fun.
>>47733116Kat take a break form overwatch and work on your dudes
>>47733330I'm a newfag.
Dark Reapers are Fun.
>>47733392
What factions are playable atm?
>>47733116
>Not the superior flaming purge
>>47732832
Because for some reason it was decided that the CSM codex could only cover units and warger that both old legions AND newer renegades could access.
Which leaves you with only the basic stuff. Why no landspeeders? Legions didn't maintain them. Why no Volkite? Renegades don't have them
>>47733288
>his heavy weapon squad member can kill 3 models a turn
>isn't much to talk about
Eldarfags.
>>47733126
>he didn't score 6 cards on turn 1
>>47733405
Loyalists and Chaos marines, plus Eldar.
The Eldar have Scorpions, Dire Avengers, Dark Reapers, Fire Dragons, and Warlocks, but are missing Banshees and Hawks, which is one of the reasons why they are somewhat underpowered right now. Their weapons also should do more damage than they currently do.
>>47733475
sweet saintly fuck, why can't they just make renegades and full on chaos motherfuckers separate? I mean, why do we even care about being able to accurately portray recently-renegade non legion chapters anyways? Would they not just be the same as regular ass space marines in every fucking way?
>>47733540
>Why are my msu guys dying so fast
>>47733463
As much as I can respect people who play Sisters of Battle/whatever army they're part ofhaven't kept track for YEARS, fucking boobplate armor will always trigger my autism/OCD about it.
>>47733540
Also I meant wounds 3 before saves
>>47733573
They're an army of women that flaunt their womanhood. Why does boobplate not make sense for them? You could always just use Space Marines if you want unisex armor. Maybe put unarmored female heads on a few.
>>47733643
It's because boobplate has no real practical use and is more of a detriment to their health in case of an injury than anything else.
>>47733573
Not having boobplate would get the Ecclesiarchy in trouble. People would say they're using male soldiers.
![hqdefault[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/8Na1OHx.jpg "hqdefault[1].jpg")
>>47733643
because it's the equivalent of a male marine wearing this
>>47733678
that would be fucking awesome
s5 ap2 hammer of wrath
>>47733668
It's probably just a raised sheet of 22 gauge steel over a flat Ceramite chestpiece. It serves the purpose of informing everyone that they're Sisters of Battle, and doesn't affect its protective qualities.
>>47733573
how would they have armor without boobplate?
they cant just jam that sweatermeat into normal armor
>>47733678
Male marines are pretty lobotomized
>>47733540
>his heavy weapon squad member can kill 3 models a turn
Is this not normal? My Dark Eldar Warriors can kill 3 marines a turn, let alone Scourges or anything that can use heavy weapons. I'm pretty sure Devastators can manage 3 MEQs in a single turn.
>>47733678
Which is historically accurate. What's the problem?
>>47733699
I spat water all over my monitor.
11/10
>>47733643
because it's a political reason. the flaunting of a loop hole. the ecclesiarchy are not allowed to have "men at arms" so they took vandire's organization that turned on him and turned those women into their chamber militant. It's there to be like "these are obviously women so we're not breaking the law that says we can't have our own army of men soldiers"
>>47733573
the gothic space church which controls a large sphere of influence likes to dress up their women in expensive armor and show off their tits. idk about you anon but if i was future space pope i would be doing something similar
also don't look at 40k too hard because a lot of it is just silly
Fuck this army, I am literally going to punch the next person running a decurion
>What's that you brought a knight
>allow me to get into close combat with it and cut it down with my 9 strength 7 armor bane attacks
>What's that you attack first with D allow me to make all those saving throws with my 4++ 5+ reanimation
Fuck anyone using the Royal Court that consists of Zandrekh, Orikan, Obyron and 10 lychguards
They should not be able to deepstrike anywhere on the table turn 1 and then cut down super heavies turn two
Repostin since I didnt realize the last thread ended.
So 3rd edition guy here. My flatmates and I just had our first game in maybe 8 years tonight and had a blast. My guard actually got pushed hard by chaos marines on objectives and lost even though I tabled him to only a single LasPred and Typhus.
I happened to watch a large game where someone was using a Death Corps of Kreig force that had this batshit rule of returning whole infanty squads to the table as long as they were wiped out to the man. Are there any other Guard companies with unique rules like that even if theyre CA or IA entries?
>>47733938
Elysians get a special army list from IA, as does Armoured Battlegroup (generic heavy tank company). Tallarn also get a special rule you can apply to certain units, IIRC. I think that's it, though.
>>47733938
Also, goddamn weapon virus. A whole platoon unit of 2 infantry squads lost 8 men to Gets Hot on overwatch and he didnt even make the goddamn charge.
>>47733885
40k is a shitshow anon, just throw in the towel. I just paint, model, and play Kill Team anymore. Every few months I get suckered into an 1850 game, and I regret it every single time. The game just straight up sucks balls now.
Hobby 40k and play other games.
>>47733885
>He actually fell for the superheavy meme
Knights have always been funlist garbage. Literally Worf Effect: The Faction.
>>47733551
In other words the game is shit because there's no Tau.
>>47733885
People always complain that ravenwong have a rerollable save, but necron bikes cost less and have essentially the same save.
>>47733743
I think by member he means singular. Just the one dude with the heavy weapon.
>>47733885
they don't get a reanimation save against D
so maybe punch that guy in the nuts
>>47733938
That's not even that bad. Renegades and Heretics gets a detachment that can bring back dead units on a 2+ instead of Death Korps' 5+. Oh, and they can Outflank when they come back on.
>>47733573
Everyone else iis gonna try to defend boob plate, but I'm just gonna ask how boob plate triggers your autism but all the completely retarded shit about Space Marines doesn't.
>>47734051
Cmon man, they already hate us, don't live up to their stereotypes
>>47734074
Actually they do
But it's one worse then what it usually is
So without a decurion it's a 6+ against instant death and D
With decurion it's 5+ against d and instant death
>>47734118
Nope, their codex explicitly says they dont get it agains D.
>>47734051
Same problem DOWIII will have at launch, and the same problem Battlefleet Gothica suffers from.
>>47734056
>>same save
Don't even need to jink for that save.
I enjoy the look of pure confusion on Necron player's faces when they ask why you didn't bring more stuff that has S10 AP1, as if that's just run of the mill junk everyone has on everything.
Don't get me wrong, I like that Necrons are powerful and deadly and scary like they rightly should be, but I just wish they were good AND flavorful. Robot skeletons coming back together after being chunked a bit by explosive ammo is totally fine, but robot skeletons coming back together after being atomized by instant deathrays, nuked, etc?
I really miss the old cron saves. You could even shoot your way into the middle and hurt a lord before everyone stood back up to defend him again without having a bunch of guys just not give a fuck like they're nurgle or something and headbutt your bullets disdainfully with no effect.
>>47734117
Not that guy, but I actually really like Tau background stuff and their overall design (except the stormsurge). The real reason people hate Tau players is because Tau are just extremely powerful on the tabletop atm.
>>47734051
Something about this post is wrong.
>>47734139
>implying that isn't a good thing
I kid. I don't hate Tau, I just don't have time for them.
>>47734196
There are other reasons, but we don't need this to become Tau hate thread #90,000.7896.
>>47734196
they also upset the Emperor by not liking cqc
>>47734179
The way it works with multi-wound models is what really angers me. Destroyers are so damn hard to kill.
The only way to play against them is to outrun them, and that's not even feasible with Wraiths, Destroyers, and their bikes (all of which don't die).
>>47733678
>male and female sexuality are the same.
Guess you're the retard.
My brother keeps saying the next IA will make 30k AdMech units legal in 40k and I should wait to make an AdMech force until then.
Is he telling the truth?
Alright nerds, 10 pack of Polish steel AK mags arrived, and I wanna rattlecan some warhammer shit on them.
What are some stencil friendly 40K banners I could use?
>>47734316
It'll make some of the units legal, yes.
>>47734328
The Imperial Aquila, of course. What are you, a heretic? Remove Xeno.
>>47734339
Cool, any word on which ones?
>>47734328
Put some purity seals on that shit nigga
>>47734345
Can't remember exactly, as I don't play Mechanicum, nor do I remember their units exact names, but I know Thanatar are one, and the Roman looking guys with shields and spears. Maybe that one weird looking train thing as well. There's more too, but I don't know what else will be there.
>>47734196
>the real reason
Nope. Eldar, Daemon summoning, Battle Co., Skyhammer, Necron Decurion, Superfriends.. are all more powerful than Tau in large point games. But they get a fraction of the hate.
I wont get into the reasons people dont like Tau players, but codex strength is not the biggest issue.
>>47734241
That's why I like Farsight even more.
>>47734328
Imperial Aquila, and "Property of Departmento Munitorum" or whatever it's called.
>>47734196
Nah mate. Tau fluff is also a major reason they get hate, at least from me.
One killed a Sneaky Marine from my favorite trolling Spess Mehreen chapter, Edgy OC style, where he just straight up shot him with no warning, nor any indication he knew he was there. Ridiculous.
Also, that one fluff bit where Tau pilots are the very best. No exceptions.
My anger for them is almost that of my anger for the Ultramarines. But it's less than that of my anger of the EC.
How do I deal with the Retribution Phalanx? Been playing it a lot lately and it's really causing me problems. The player hides the Overalord with a cryptek and a bunch of immortals and gives the squad a bunch of res orbs. It wouldn't be so bad if they were treated as deepstriking or if they had to be set up within 3" Rather than only one model, but other than that I can't deal with an endless squad of warriors and scarabs charging my units.
>>47734050
I dunno, the errant I ran made it's points back just firing the thermal cannon in it's first few games.
Then people started mobbing it in melee or IG hosed it down.
>>47734483
>He's upset about the dead of Chapter Master No-Character.
Please...Raven Guard players are overjoyed that he got replaced by Shrike.
>>47734483
I don't think Tau players even like Shadowcunt. Tau player's either like Farsight, or their personal Ethereal/Commander.
>>47734561
I'd be happier if they made Shrike get Chapter Master statline and the ability to call in an Orbital Strike..
>>47734196
>I like their background stuff
>The background stuff that got bastardized and strayed from
> "The lads on the block who are really green and naive being controlled by a mysterious force"
To
>The most skiller army out there. Check out our superior tactics and weapons and shit.
>Oh shit, we r in trouble. Wait, no we arent. Here is latest and greatest thing that can totally kill and shoot everything!1!1
Current fluff writers are shit
>>47734561
>Im a guy whos opinion is shared by everyone
Stop pretending you deserve a beaky force.
>>47734650
That's not a Tau problem, that's a 40k problem. Space Marines are always shown as 1337 unbeatable stealth assassins that can beat anybody in their own books. Kauyon just happened to be a Tau book.
>>47734506
Is that the Start Collecting! Formation?
If so, I hate that shit so much.
>>47734694
>I have a shit-taste for characters.
He needed to die. He had to be replaced by someone with an ACTUAL character and achievements.
>>47734650
Yeah the latter part's pretty shit. But then, basically every codex out there gets that nowadays, except CSM and Orks (but then, Orks don't really care that much).
>>47734561
Nah, there's a wee bit of fluff wherein a Tau in a battlesuit is talking to a Hammers of Dorn Apothecary who's removing the gene-seed from a fallen Space Marine, and an Assault Marine, iirc, sneaks up behind him and instantly gets killed by him. The Tau then flies off to go and be edgy somewhere else.
>>47734730
Yeah, the rule is so poorly written and loose. I think the intent is that the Overlord is supposed to be easy to kill, but its so easy to make him invincible meaning that the warriors will keep coming back and charging you from across the table.
>>47734117
They hate you for a reason and stereotypes also exist for a reason. You think niggers and thugs are secretly civilized?
>>47734823
>Bringing race into it
Why?
Fucking stormfronter.
>>47734704
But heres the problem. They aren't always shown as "1337 tacti-cool space doom guys". They have their own share of losses and misfortunes. The biggest lost the tau ever had got retconed from a sector to 3 expendable planets and their most recent loses involve 10 or so look out attempts made by generic firewarriors or stockholm guardsmen and Aun'va, which no one uses anyways because his stats arent optimized.
>>47734823
>it's a retarded /pol/ hijack episode!
>>47734838
>getting triggered by "nigger"
Get out newfag. There's a difference between niggers and African Americans too.
>>47734874
>All black people are Americans
>>47734838
>>47734871
>maybe if I spout /pol/ memes I'll redirect their attention after revealing myself for being a humongous Tau faglord
>oh no people realize Tau players are literally the scum of the earth, better call them nazis!
Fucking Tau players should just die in real life. And if you're "not a Tau player", the irony and hypocrisy is still probably lost on you since you're also making retarded blind claims at anonymous posters.
>>47734838
>>47734871
>I see you have made a compairson that is true, however I see that it is a meme from another board.
>>47734880
Non-American Africans are all niggers!
>implying black Americans are even African to begin with
>>47734823
Please remember that anything /pol/ related is aginst the rules outside of /pol/ and /b/.
>>47734838
Anon, please don't derail the thread.
>>47734871
>>47734874
>>47734880
>>47734896
>>47734903
>>47734917
You lot too.
>>47734917
>implying black Americans are even African to begin with
If they're african then latin america is Spanish-American.
>>47734896
>>47734903
>Admitting to agreeing with stormfront bullshit
Also
>>47734923
is right.
Remember kids, don't respond to retards.
On an on-topic note, anyone got that new MilTemp formation?
>>47734917
What do they teach you faggots in schools now-a-days? Once your reach the "good tolerance and understanding quota" your baby will turn out more black to show how good of a person you are?
>>47734942
Seriously, I want to know the new Scions formation.
>>47734942
>>47734961
Box ain't out so I can't verify but word has it that it basically gives the ability to call in more Scions to cover your losses.
>>47734941
>>47734957
Could you not?
>>47734967
Yeah, but the question is how.
I'd guess deep-striking, though, since that's kinda their schtick.
>>47734967
What's with all the respawn formations lately
>>47734924
>>47734981
Get banned already. Stop posting those disgusting pics man. I'm trying to eat my chinese take-out.
>>47734981
What fucking disease does this shit and why does it make me feel itchy?
>>47734982
Probably requires your Taurox or Command Squad to be around or something.
>>47734992
Who knows, but if it is decent, I might run it as an allied suicide squad formation.
>>47734961
Way more concerned about the Chaos Formation. 100 to 1 it sucks, but hope springs eternal.
>>47735000
I'm posting the gifts of Nurgle, but I'll delete them.
>>47734992
>oh shit tom; we gave the daemon players the ability to spawn troops every turn
>err fuck, too late to do anything about it
>oh; how about we give that ability to other armies?
>won't that just makes 40k silly?
>like we really care. now how about them hookers and snorting coke....
>>47735010
Don't ask, dude'll just post more pics, and they make me sick to my stomach. Can't even eat my chinese take-out anymore.
>>47735012
Delete them. You've made me throw away one too many chinese take-outs.
>>47734838
>>47734871
>its a cucks thinking they belong here episode
>>47735010
>What fucking disease does this shit and why does it make me feel itchy?
Tree Man Illness. Incredibly rare genetic disease.
>>47735035
I am inspiring the Nurglefags.
>>47735054
Try not inspiring. I'm pissed now that I just threw away my chinese take-out.
I rather wish heavy bolters were available to terminators.
I like the range more than I like the ability to rend desu.
>>47735016
probably more because they keep introducing models that can easily wipe out multiple units in one shooting phase
>>47734853
Yeah remember when people used that specific named Ravenguard chapter master?
If we're talking about fluff, the tabletop doesn't matter; Aunva was important to the Tau and losing him is a big issue. Being trapped from the rest of the galaxy is bad too. The story didn't end with the Tau successfully ignoring the firewall, it ended with some hope for the Tau.
I think you people just hate that Tau lore always ends with things looking up. Losses are still bad for the Tau, but a reoccurring theme of the faction is their ability to learn and improve.
>>47735080
I'm sorry, Anon. I would make a witty joke about you really should be disgusted about the current state of these threads and 40k, but I can't think of one for the life of me.
Does anyone have an up to date allies list? My codex isnt the newest and im not sure if its up to date, no skitarii or admech on it.
>>47734483
>Using dopplegangers to trick someone
>Edgy
Shut up ya whiney faggot.
>>47735117
>Losses are still bad for the Tau
they've started being less bad with the last batch of releases
Going from "every tau counts we gotta retreat" to "oh we lost a billion troops here but who cares lets feed the meatgrinder" was more than a little jarring.. The intense focus on ever more HUGE and IMPRESSIVE battles certainly doesn't help things.
>>47732614
I hate them. I hate their smug attitude towards eldar, necrons, and tau-and the way they pretend everyones shit stinks but theirs. You want to talk about taufags thinking their shit isnt broken? Nobody is more deluded than marines players here.
>>47732625
They think they have no cheeze, and anything they field is justified as balanced because marines could never be op.
>>47732632
Boring as shit match. I salivate to hear the day GW shoehornes eldar tau necrons orks and the rest into 30k, and the butthurt that the stuck up 30k players will experience.
>>47735116
i've come to accept that as a chaos daemon player i should be removing my models by the handful, though by luck my survival rate recently has gone up 60%
>>47735117
>The story didn't end with the Tau successfully ignoring the firewall, it ended with some hope for the Tau.
Uhh, you might want to go back and re-read montka
>>47735153
all imperium are battle brothers
>>47735196
Am 30k player, would love xenos to be added in.
>finished painting the last two models for my space marine army
Finally
>>47735117
What loses were "bad" you twat. You lost maybe 75% of a planet at most while the rest was shielded. Then, no less a paragraph away the Tau already had a way to ignore the firewall. Also a ship filled with titans is worth 10x over what ever the tau or Space marines or tau lost that day. Fucking writers really underestimate just how fucking costly they are to make, field, and maintain.
>>47735196
I play Marines and I purposely hinder my army so my friends have fun playing with me.
I'm planning to build a second army so I can stop hindering my Marines and only use them for tournaments, but I'm not sure what army would add a nice flavor to my group (SM, Necrons, Tyranids and Orks are all represented).
>>47735265
1d4chan has a page on fielding xenos in 30k which adds special units that they can field
>>47732614
They're the single most entitled and obnoxious fanbase in 40k. The Kauyon/Montka event was the most pathetic display of asshurt I'd ever seen and it was over absolutely nothing. Only CSM rival SM for bitch tears, but at least with CSM it's actually warranted.
>>47735283
>40k writers have no sense of scale
I'm shocked, shocked I say.
>>47735299
How about an inquisitorial force tagged onto a scion regiment?
>>47734100
Not him but their armor looks skimpy, thin, and not durable enough to shrug off high caliber rounds.
>>47735283
You do realize that that the Tau Empire is like a thousandth of the Imperium? Losing a planet is a huge loss in comparison to the Imperium. And of course their supreme leader.
>>47735205
And they didn't find a way to get across it without huge risk and uncertainty. That paragraph didn't state that the tau just laughed off the firewall and all was well, it represented that the Tau scientists were hard at work and with progress and time the Tau will rebuild.
>>47735283
>no less a paragraph away the Tau already had a way to ignore the firewall
No they didn't. None of their tests succeeded in breaching the firewall. Lying doesn't help your point, it makes you look like you have to misrepresent things in order to grasp at a tenuous taste of victimhood.
>>47735320
Eh, I'm perfectly fine with Space Marine players. At least the ones I know.
Now about half the Eldar players I know are WAACfags who play the army to stay on too, and I can't stand those guys, while the other half are cool dudes who understand that their codex is overpowered. All the Tau players I know are either WAACfags, unapologetic, or Weebs. Usually a combination of two or three of those.
>>47735265
the reason why 30k is good is that they left all of the faggot xenos players out of it.
id like xenos in 30k but only orks and random new races like the mechanachnids and shit. eldar scum can fuck off and stay fucked off
>>47735360
So that justifies them being better and never sufffering losses? Now if they were a fleet based civilization that had to rely on guerrilla warfare and other sneaky tactics to surive would low loses seem plausable. However, "being small" is no excuse to just not suffer any loses to a force that you are actively campaigning against.
>>47735153
Nobody?
>>47735416
By the same token, I like 30k because it keeps the faggot marine players in one place where they can beat off to their wank.
>>47735445
Imperium forces all ally the same.
>>47735361
Neither does trying to push other armies as being more cancerous then yours.
>>47735196
>I hate them. I hate their smug attitude towards eldar, necrons, and tau-and the way they pretend everyones shit stinks but theirs. You want to talk about taufags thinking their shit isnt broken? Nobody is more deluded than marines players here.
>They think they have no cheeze, and anything they field is justified as balanced because marines could never be op.
>Boring as shit match. I salivate to hear the day GW shoehornes eldar tau necrons orks and the rest into 30k, and the butthurt that the stuck up 30k players will experience.
What sort of bad experiences did you have? Do you honestly think all marine players wanted the the broken junk? As for that 30k bit I got news for you. Mechanicum stronk.
>>47735416
If they do bring Eldar just bring out a bigger boot.
Alright, before I glue my Sanguinary Priest together I'm going to take it slow, do it right, and be ready to paint
>come home to Sanguinary Priest in the mail
>immediately slap it together
God dammit, I did it again
>>47735448
Nice meme friend! XDDD, Epic win!
>>47735438
>not suffer any loses to a force
How is losing your supreme leader, billions of soldiers, and getting cut off from the rest of the galaxy no losses?
>>47735438
>1.000.000 Tau gets killed by a psyker storm created by the Space Marines in Kauyon.
>More millions death in Mu'gulath Bay and the planet burned.
>Third Sphere isolated from the rest of the Empire.
>No loses.
>>47735448
Jokes on you! I play Cultists. The lack of ATSKNF is pretty nice, as my hordes can successfuly inflict fear on them.
>>47735462
Trim that flash and deal with those mould lines Anon.
>>47735459
Don't listen to baiters that makeup stories on a chinese/mongolion pokemon paint argument simulator for (you)s.
>>47734328
you better fucking make it look good
>>47735438
>So that justifies them being better and never sufffering losses?
>Lose their most important leader and have their galactic expansion halted
>Have lost to every single faction except maybe daemons at least once
>No losses
You are complaining about literally nothing. You're like those faggots that were screaming about Shadowsun drawing against Khan and Shrike in CC because it was on the cover of the book despite it never actually happening in the story. Or those fuckwits that insist she beat Sevetar in CC when it was nothing of the sort. If you would just read the shit you're complaining about you'd see you've got nothing to be so ass mad about.
>>47735519
I'll do my best mane
>>47735475
>How is losing your supreme leader,
What, the guy who they replaced with a hologram? Aun'va's death would have meant something if word got out, because it would likely cause a fair amount of panic and disruption to the Empire. Instead, literally nothing happens. Zero consequence.
>billions of soldiers
k. Get back to me when there's any sign in the fluff that this will affect the Tau in any way, shape or form.
>and getting cut off from the rest of the galaxy
Oh no, they're cut off from the big meanies who want to kill them. Oh whatever will they do.
Entire empire is self-sufficient anyway. Only thing they need the Gulf for is taking over more planets. AND they're already talking about finding a way around it, which means the next time its mentioned they will have found a way around it, but the Imperium won't have, so the Tau Empire beyond the Gulf will now be permanently immune to Imperial invasion. Yes, what a disastrous defeat for the Tau. How ever will they recover?
>like army but don't play them because of rules
What's her name, /tg/?chaos space marines
When will Shadowsun get a Ghostkeel model?And Farsight a Demigod one?
>>47735462
Oh btw, it says the Blood Chalice gives models of the same faction in the same unit +1 WS, does that mean he has a WS of 6?
>>47735505
I tried but I swear I seem to do more damage than good. Hoping I can just paint them well enough to hide the lines but seeing as I can't even trim this shit well, the future seems grim.
>>47734370
How would I do that?
>>47735521
Woah shit. We got a ass blasted blueberry overhere.
>>47735545
Tyranids. I love them, but they need buffs.
That, and I need to focus on my guard army I just started. And I want to start a 30k legion.
>>47735459
if they put eldar in 30k i will unapologetically run a double typhon list with 12 phosphex quad mortars
>>47735475
The one that just got replaced right away with a hologram and death surved no purpose?
>>47735481
Let me know when the tau actually start recoiling from these "oh so bad losses"
Gue'vesa rules in new IA? Will FW make new Kroot/Gnarloc models?
Admech goodies? How about a giant robot that DOESN'T look like it should yell 'danger, danger!' Superheavy tanks for either?
I personally think FW might hop on the terrain bandwagon, and make static siege/anti-vehicle guns or trenches. Might be cool if they made a huge Admech walker
>>47735544
>What, the guy who they replaced with a hologram?
For now. The book didn't go deep into the future or what will happen later. We can only speculate.
>k. Get back to me when there's any sign in the fluff that this will affect the Tau in any way, shape or form
Yeah, I mean all those Space Marine and Guard losses matter right? The Ravenguard didn't even care their Chapter Master got killed, they just threw Shrike in there and moved on.
>Oh no, they're cut off from the big meanies who want to kill them. Oh whatever will they do.
They'll be unable to further expand and conquer more planets. You know, the whole goal of the Empire?
>>47735459
>Do you honestly think all marine players wanted the the broken junk?
It's funny how when other OP army are brought up it's always met with cries of 'ELDAR SCUM', and 'TAU FAGGOTS', but Marines are always the innocent Adam Jensen of 40k and get the benefit of the doubt.
>>47735540
Oh and I would do at least one of them using this as a stencil
Maybe another with with adeptus mechanicus symbol found here: https://img0.etsystatic.com/117/1/11964068/il_214x170.891873632_1dyo.jpg with "property of the adeptus mechanicus" written under or beside it
I mean, you have 10, so have fun. I'd do 1 for each chaos god for sure.
How long before they launch a campaign beyond the Damocles Crusade with the Tyranid invading, the forces of the Tau loyalist beyond the wall with no possibilities for reinforcements from the Empire, and the Farsight at the edge of extinction with most of the Eight dead?
Tau friends who don't like it here can go elsewhere.
>advancedtautactica.com
>forums.tauonline.org
>lemonparty.org
>warseer.com
If you don't like it here, fuck off.
>>47735638
Not your personal army.
>>47735545
Dark Eldar. I'd really like to make a DE/Tau mixrace force, battlesuits and broadsides alongside jetbikes and the whole shabang of the many beasts of Commoragh spilling out of portals. But apparently they have horrendous rules, and a lot of finecast.
>>47735606
>Yeah, I mean all those Space Marine and Guard losses matter right?
It's a standard part of the Imperial fluff that they take insane losses and it doesn't greatly affect them. That being said, the Titan loses were just ludicrous. On the order of "We lost 100 Baneblades" level.
On the flipside the Tau are supposed to be a tiny empire, a lone candle flickering and guttering in the darkness, that a single breath could extinguish. Them losing billions should be a massive deal, but there's no indication that it is.
>For now. The book didn't go deep into the future or what will happen later. We can only speculate.
Here's my speculation: This never comes up again. It's not like GW particularly cared about Aun'va anyway, and the average Tau player would barely be aware of his existence anyway, compared to the likes of Shadowsun and Farsight.
>They'll be unable to further expand and conquer more planets. You know, the whole goal of the Empire?
They'll find a way around it and you know it. There is zero chance that the Tau stay in their quarantine zone.
>>47735650
i dont think you understand that meme
>>47735619
You must be getting realy thirsty for yous with all these straws you are grasping for.
Have some substance.
>>47735619
wait, people really believe marines don't get tons of goodies all the time? ffs they're the poster child of 40k
>>47735589
I find your boot to be child size.
>>47735619
I usually stay out of that. It's the reason why I won't be playing this game. That and the only store was a 2 hour drive at least from my house and looked closed. And I don't want to start ripping organs from hobos to sell on the black market. If I do might start me up a DA/BA/GK army, or something AdMech.
>>47735650
Your green is showing, newfriend.
>>47735544
>What, the guy who they replaced with a hologram?
Yeah, just like how the Sevetar's death didn't matter because he was instantly replaced. That's why there was no whining about his death. Same with the Emperor's death. It's a pretty minor thing to lose your visionary leader. It's almost always a good thing to lose billions of soldiers, your leadership and your ability to move.
>Oh no, they're cut off from the big meanies who want to kill them. Oh whatever will they do.
Yeah, there's no setbacks whatsoever to not being able to expand. There's just no benefits to it for empires. I'm sure the incoming Tyranids they're boxed in with will just go somewhere else.
>>47735545
I play the army despite the shit rules because I'm not a faggot. If the only thing I wanted was to win, I'll pick another army. Sometimes you can't have your cake and eat it too. Unlike the manchildren that complain about toy prices, I realize this.
>>47735702
Whatever /b/tard.
>>47735567
Good response!
>>47735668
Marines get killed all the time. They are limited to 1000 per chapter, so they can't afford big loses. Yet we never see their loses ever mattering despite taking decades to replace a single marine.
>>47735668
>That being said, the Titan loses were just ludicrous
And it still didn't even matter. Fucking Imperium got out with no losses that matter.
>Here's my speculation: This never comes up again.
That's not Tau lore, now is it? That would be what many would consider as Fanfiction.
>They'll find a way around it and you know it.
Yeah, just like every other faction finds a way around huge detrimental events. Like how the Ravenguard got over their lack of chaptermaster.
>>47735762
>Yet we never see their loses ever mattering despite taking decades to replace a single marine.
The Invaders, Celestial Lions, and the Obsidian Glaives got wiped out by a WAAGGH.
>>47732123
So I wanna shoot shit and still be space marines, what would you recommend as an army? Like, I really like shooty from the demos I've played.
I also want to play Thousand Sons chaos army, possibly Elysian as a tertiary choice.
What do?
>>47735791
No-names chapters. Where are all the events where the big chapters get crippled for a hundred of years? Virtually all the big defeats of the big ones took place 10.000 years ago.
>>47735780
>That being said, the Titan loses were just ludicrous
>And it still didn't even matter. Fucking Imperium got out with no losses that matter.
I miss the days when baiters actually had convincing bait and actually put effort into their shitposts.
>>47735683
It's not that people believe they don't get favouritism, it's that the fanbase is never characterised as scum because of it. Marine players demanded drop pod assault for a long time and got it. It's super strong, but hey Marines right? Whereas, surely Phil the local Iyanden player personally orchestrated the mass proliferation of D in his codex? Because that was something Eldar players had been begging for right?
>>47735780
>>47735668
There were no Titans in Mont'ka or Kauyon.
>>47735828
The Bangles nearly got wiped out by a space hulk. Stupid CATs.
>>47735836
Just because we know Titans are hard to make doesn't mean that actually matters. Their numbers are limitless when they need them.
>>47735816
I honestly don't know. Imperial Fists?
>Thousand Sons
Good news amd bad news.
Good news:
Rumours of TSons stuff soon.
Bad news:
Chaos armies suck in 40k. TSons don't have rules in 30k yet, but I assume it'll give them a crap ton of psykers.
>Elysians
Give FW any spare organs you have. At least with marines you could buy BaC and have a nice starting army.
>>47735828
They just cover it up by replacing the whole extinguished chapter with a chapter successors.Like they did with the Imperial Fists.
>>47735858
Yep. You can thank plot missle mk2 for taking out a carrying vessel with no escorts. The rest were commanded to retreat.
>>47735780
I mean in the rave guards defense I can totally see them being able to operate small scale on their own, isn't that kinda their schtick?
>>47735816
Hold off on 1k sons for now, they are getting some formations and kits later this year.
Elysians are awesome, if you can afford a FW army, do it.
Shooty Space Marines is Imperial Fists or Iron Hands iirc. Im sure there is a formation that offers rerolls to hit.
>>47735875
>tfw i've been thinking of buying BaC to bolster my army
wonder how the storm wardens scheme would look on mkiv
>>47735935
There were none in the first place in Mont'ka, the Admech said: No.
It was very clear in Mont'ka, that the Admech was there to steal things (not to conquer the planet), kill Imperium allies, and get away with it by trolling everyone.
>>47735957
imperial fists re-roll 1s on to hit rolls with all bolter type weapons
>>47735930
One time thing, m8. Ultramarines are well Ultramarines, Iron Hands don't have enough weak flesh to die off completely and you should know that one build that they're famous for, Dark Angels live in a rock, RG are too sneaky, Sallies have building sized flamers, and the Blood Angels are too bishie to die off completely.
>>47734783
I remember that bit of fluff.
> Haha it is me, Shas'O!
> Let me deduce in an instant everything about your subspecies and progenial glands
> You are white so you must be a medic
> *kills assault marine*
> Carry on Gue'la, medics are cool.
>*tips blacksun filter*
>*flies off*
It was a shoddy bit of writing about Farsight to show how special and gifted he was. The supplement was full of that stuff anyway.
>>47735851
we did ask for new sculpts for jetbikes, which included bits to make cannon bikes. But the rest of it caught us with a WTF.
We also asked for Banshees to be better and the waveserpent to function as a transport and not the best shooty tank in the codex, and got both, but last I checked no one else minded those things.
>>47736043
After 10,000, I wouldn't be surprised if half or more of original chapters are actually extinct.
>>47735851
>Drop Pod Assault
>super strong
Lol. 5E Salamanders was the only relevant pod list and was nowhere near as strong as Eldar and Daemon lists, nor as strong as the future marine lists. 7E pod bullshit from BC and Skyhammer don't really count because, well, 6E and 7E Tau and Eldar exist.
>>47736121
Don't give BL any new ideas. It's dumb as denying that the reason the World Eaters haven't been destroyed is that they reproduce by fragmentation.
>>47736127
Drop Pods with grav units is without a doubt the most powerful thing in the Space Marine codex and is responsible for a huge amount of Space Marine's success. Being able to erase a unit or 2 on turn 1 with no risk of being killed before you do it is insane.
>>47736221
>no risk of being killed
yeah because tau dont have intercept everywhere...
>Cleaning out my old fantasy armies since I havent touched them in forever
>Find a ton of really poorly painted and put together space marines mixed in with them
52 goddamn tactical marines in there, I legitimately have no idea where they came from.
>>47736254
You do know that cost points and prevent them from taking other useful Support systems?
Besides Drop Pods block LOS
>>47736365
>>47736413
This picture always makes me depressed.
>>47733126
>Be eldar
>Draw those both turn one
>Score both
Git fast
>>47736413
Nah wasn't actually making an AoS joke.
>>47736368
>You do know that cost points and prevent them from taking other useful Support systems?
oh no so you might have to think a little before plopping down 4 riptides? poor baby
