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Anyone know good count-as Varghulf models?
the GW one looks pretty derpy with the pose
>>47536934
To answer your question, yes, vampires can be weak - if exposed to the sun, having not fed, exposed to daemonsbane, etc. The only consistent weakness is the blood thirst and the fallout from not drinking.
Even newborn vampires are as strong as a truly mighty warrior, with keener reflexes and senses to put wolves and hawks to shame. A vampire that has had some time to grow into his or her power is going to be beyond most mortals in single combat unless they know their opponent well, came prepared, and (usually) attack from ambush.
the future is bright
What is the lore explanation for the emergence of vampirism?
I really like how a lot of the Hero-followers you get in TWWH have their descriptions ripped from class descriptions in WFRP Hunter, Jailer, probably charcoal burner and ferryman too.
>>47541244
Still not a huge fan of that compressed map (Mostly Tilea and Estalia) but I sorta like some of it.
And the world and battle maps are pretty cool art-wise. (Though some of the ruins are scaled strangely in battle maps, like the towers that are just, unfeasibly tall.)
Also the minor settlements not counting as walled I can sorta understand from a gameplay standpoint, but it's very unfriendly to the lore where EVERY place has walls.
(Though other than the hunter description mentioning "Dark creatures" the came generally doesn't acknowledge beastmen, so maybe they're just not a thing and so walls are less common)
>>47541271
Okay, so way back in Ancient Not-Egypt, there was this asshole sorcerer named Nagash. He invented necromancy after torturing magic secrets out of dark elves, and also invented a way to be truly immortal.
Later, an autistic bitch queen of one of the city-states making up Not-Egypt copied the elixir, but imperfectly. The result were the vampires. Nagash came back and decided he was president now, and then the vampires lost a war with a bunch of regular mortal not-Egyptians. Nagash got so butthurt at this that he cursed vampires with a bunch of random fucking curses that show up to varying degrees and in varying arrangements.
The vampires fucked off out of not-Egypt and went all the fuck everywhere. Some settled in the Badlands and formed a new vampire city state that was actually well run. Queen bitch, who survived losing her city state, got angry at this and deliberately ruined everything from the safety of a dwarf hold she stole.
The Von Carsteins came to power way the fuck back when Vlad, their progenitor, married into the Von Drak family of Sylvania, killed his father in law, and also purged a bunch of other nobles. Literally no one cared because even an egomaniac vampire who sees humans like pieces of bread was better than the Von Draks.
>>47541285
>the came generally doesn't acknowledge beastmen
I've had an event where beastmen raided my cities explicitly
>>47541271
>>47541358
It's hard to tell if it was JUST an imperfect recreation of Nagash's formula, or if it was deliberately tinkered with because Neferata didn't want to look like a decrepit husk, and the blood thirst was considered an acceptable sacrifice.
>>47541375
Huh I've never had that yet. But yeah, they don't reat towns as walled (I think people complained about having to wall-siege EVERY settlement in earlier Total War games?), they have scenery villages with no walls on battle maps, and whatnot, this led me to assume that maybe Beastmen were less of a thing in their version of the universe.
(Also because a beastman faction would be confusing as fuck to implement, especially as a playable campaign)
>>47540814
I'm just starting Warhammer digitally. With the Lizardmen, the 1d4chan keeps saying that a good build for the Slann is to get the Standard of Discipline, but I don't know if it's viable since SoD removes Inspiring Presence for a +1 Ld (total 10 for Slann), and I'm already going to join him up with Temple Guards (maybe I'll use TG as a separate fighting unit).
here's my current 1500pt list
Slann -BSB (Scarecrow), Harmonic Convergence, Reservoir of Eldritch Energy, Light Lore, Channeling Staff
Skink Priest- Heaven Lore, lvl 1
(2x) 20 Saurus Warriors w/ Spears & Banner
(2x) 10 Skink Skirmishers w/ Javelins & shield
20 Temple Guards w/ Champion
Bastiladon w/ Solar Engine
>>47541244
>germany is bigger than the atlantis
>>47541121
Avatars of War Dire Harpy?
>>47541455
Canon was that Neferata's elixer was an improvement, according to Black Library.
Army book canon is just that it was altered. So she did it intentionally either way.
>>47541358
>All this hate for best Bloodline
Strigoi, go back to fucking sheepgheists in the backwoods.
So can anyone tell me the strength in lore of Vampires and if it's possible to have "weak" vampires?
>>47541973
>So can anyone tell me the strength in lore of Vampires
Strong enough to tear the heart out of the chest of a dragon and eat it, strong enough to cut off the heads of Greater Daemons in one swipe, and strong enough to punch through solid rock in anger without any pain. So really fucking strong, on par with the most powerful human sized bipedal beings in the setting AKA Chaos Champions.
That's not even going into their speed, the fact they ALL have a connection to magic so any can become a Wizard, and the fact that if someone wants to resurrect them they cannot be permanently killed.
>and if it's possible to have "weak" vampires?
Young Vampires, Vampires who haven't fed in a long time but haven't hit that level of starvation where they mutate into giant bat hulks, weak Vampires in the presence of Light magic, and I guess a regular poncy dumbass afraid to get his hands dirty who prefers to monologue instead of killing the Witch Hunter and doesn't know to dodge bullets.
>>47541973
Maybe you should download the Vampire Counts 8e Army Book in the OP copypasta and read it.
It isn't very long, and is far more accurate than we can be.
>>47541358
So were the negatives, like weakness to sunlight, were caused by Nagash's curse or the imperfectly copied elixir? Where did the blood thirst come from? Was also part of the curse?
>>47541796
technically it's Arkhan's elixer
>>47542385
Sunlight was Nagash, blood thirst was the elixir.
>>47541796
I love the Lahmians, Neferata is just a fucking moron and a terrible ruler.
>>47542385
The blood thirst was caused by the imperfect elixir. The other weaknesses - sun, silver, daemonsbane, reflections, running water, shadows, and others - were caused by Nagash.
>>47541796
Ushoran was literally a superior ruler in every conceivable metric, and if you'd only listened to him Nagash would be dead and the only Empire would be the vampire one.
>>47542111
Night's Dark Masters is better.
>>47541121
A werewolf maybe? One from reaper or even a skin wolf from forge world?
>>47541483
Warhammer digitally?
Any good 3rd party lizardmen models? Krox size or similar the current ones look horrible and the older ones are pretty pricey
>>47540814
Trying to buy pic related on ebay.
mfw 10 of them go for 75 $ not including the 20$ postage.
Just kill me already.
>>47542871
I know your pain bro...
>>47542871
Have you checked your local GW? They may have some still in stock.
Otherwise scalpers gonna scalp
Total war is so fucking good it should be illegal
>>47543020
>gw
>having anything other than AoS and Space Marines in stock
kek
>>47543054
Until just last week my local GW had both Bretonnia and TK army boxes in stock and few TK kits besides.
>>47542524
>>47542486
Neferata managed to out-Skaven the Skaven, and was by far the single most successful Vampire.
But yeah, Ushoran was objectively better. The problem with the Bloodlines is they cannot ally without Nagash forcing them to work together like an elementary school teacher.
>>47542794
Ral Partha has a line they just had a Kickstarter for. They aren't cheaper, but are metal so you are getting more for your money.
Reaper has some at VERY cheap prices, but not much variety and half the line is as a result of a Kickstarter that hasn't delivered yet.
>>47543086
Lucky.
Mine dumped all non-AoS/40k stock other than a handful of Dark Elves and Warriors a year ago.
>>47543086
Plastic boxes are one thing, metal models from 5th ed, that's a whooole different story m8.
>>47543062
Even if there is no Games Workshop or The 9th Age, there is still Creative Assembly.
Now that TW warhammer is out (and utterly amazing), do you think that GW might just ressurect fantasy battle as a specialist game? I mean, I know not everything can be salvaged but, maybe a chance would be nice to think of. I tried with AoS after getting into 8th edition end times, but I like the old world too much.
>>47543330
They would have to admit they were wrong, which is something they wont do
>>47542385
>>47542505
Yeah, basically this. They had a "Side Grade" elixir that gave them a blood dependency but let them look good whilst undead with no other side effects provided they kept themselves fed.
Then Nagash cursed them for betraying him.
>>47543447
They've got a new CEO who can probably get away with bashing Kirby's policies given enough time.
>>47543330
>>47543447
The only way I coukd see them doing it is if they said "Gentlemen, BEHOLD! Multiverse, both exist" and tied every model release into both games.
The official 9th edition would be simple like AoS without any attempts at balance, and would be just as free to download.
Realistically, if they were to axe Age then it would be years from now. They planned it for over a decade and have shit they WILL release no matter what. Besides, if Fant4stic and Batman V Superman can both get a sequel, Age will go on.
>>47543549
Yeah, but Abhorash figured out the cheat code to remove all vampire weakness is eating the heart of a dragon. Then he trained all his underlings wrong on purpose as a joke.
>>47543570
Kirby's still on as something or other, they couldn't get rid of him completely, and would be muscling in on the action were it not for his propensity for travelling around and Roundtree's tactic of only holding meetings with the company heads when Kirby's travelling.
>>47543591
>They planned it for over a decade
This is as proven as conspiracy theories.
https://youtu.be/YytWr-gbyOA
Miniwargaming guys are doing a Mordheim campaign.
>>47543764
Actually, there is something more substantial. Gav Thorpe's word on it.
Considering the man has only worsened Fantasy in everything he has done for it, I'd believe him as the herald of Age of Sigmar, trumpeting out his ass at its approach.
>>47543840
>Gav Thorpe's word on it
What you are refering to is an old interview. We had this discussion already a while back, and there is no proof the two things are related.
>the man has only worsened Fantasy
He only did good to fantasy, if anything it went downhill after he left.
I swear, newblood is the worst thing happened to fantasy since 5th ed.
>>47544005
Name one positive Thorpe ever did for Fantasy.
Now name, in your opinion, the worst thing he did.
https://youtu.be/wfYbgdo8e-8
>Humans are two people
What does this mean for Warhammer Fantasy? Is this something unique to humans?
>>47542871
one word: recasts m8
>>47541244
>cut in half the lizardmen domains
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEno, really, I understand why they had to resize stuff for the purpose of mantaining some form of uniformity of gameplay
>>47544117
Yeah, like anyone does fucking recasts in metal nowadays.
Also, that's two words.
>>47542871
My soulution would be bluestuff and greenstuff.
Buy all variations, and only one each. Then use bluestuff to make molds, greenstuff to make the models themselves. I did this with my 30 years war swedes/state troopers and it worked really well (pic related, the ones on the back are greenstuff, their pikes are some plastic, some wire, the helmets are metal).
>>47544051
I guess it works for any species with brains with two hemispheres.
Also, are you also suscribed to Kurzgesagt?
>>47544355
Yeah, Kurz is good shit.
>>47544355
>greenstuff to make the models themselves
>Greenstuff Longeards
My nostalgia is stronger than my jewishness, so I'll have to pass on that.
I can't really explain it, but I feel like those old models need to have some real weight to them.
>>47544436
>those old models need to have some real weight to them
I feel you bruh
Is this map very accurate?
>>47544030
Not that anon but
>Positive
Grudge Bearer
>Negative
Instilling the idea that consistency doesn't matter because all that matters are major defining characteristics. While this might work in small scale, people like C.S. GOTO got hold of it
>>47544527
Pretty much, yes. At least the general locations are correct.
the Drakwald looks a bit too big
>>47544520
mfw I watched this half kilogram thing shatter into pieces after some sperg accidentally pushed it from the gaming table with his elbow
I can still hear his screams.
>>47544527
as far as warhammer fantasy maps go, yes
but I find myself using more and more this one http://www.gitzmansgallery.com/shdmotwow-full.html
>>47544578
there's nothing to laugh about anon
>>47544578
kek
>>47541244
What's the source of that map? I guessed they would do an Empire thing and make two connected maps for the Old World and Lustria-Naggaroth.
>>47544578
It hurts even reading about it.
>>47544527
Close enough, a bit oversimplified in the "What is and isn't forested" sense.
>>47544575
>the Drakwald looks a bit too big
I think that's the Drakwald, Reikwald, Forest of Shadow, Great forest etc all rolled into one with no clear boundry.
>>47543096
With everyone talking about vamps, does anyone have good art on Blood Dragons, or something similiar. Most of the stuff I've found so far isn't all that great, mostly just very generic vampire lord stuff.
I'm going to make a Blood Dragon and his merry band of underlings the big bad in a Mordheim campaign and need inspiration for my guys.
>>47544685
>>47544685
How do we exactly distinguish a blood dragon from your "generic vampire lord"?
>>47544578
Bro that's nothing, I saw a guy drop fucking metal Azhag while he was holding him to show off the paintjob and his friend pushed him from behind.
I never saw a man run that fast before, or after.
>>47544720
Well I dunno, their fluff says many of them pass as non-vampires and are solitary etc. Pretty much a dead giveaway if you ride into town wearing all the bat wings and skulls and having a hundred skellingtons holding your dick while you pee...
>>47544720
>>47544757
I wouldn't be that sure about that
>>47544757
Because a lot of them are Brets.
You could just post Bretonnian knights. Only the oldest among them wear the bat armor because they don't give a fuck, like they are the Blood Dragon Longbeards.
So looking at Kaleb Daark's stats and profile. I'm wondering where I can find the information on what the runes on his armor do since the Warhammer Battle Magic pdf on Megaupload appears to be from a different edition.
>>47542784
as in "not physically"
>>47541285
>but it's very unfriendly to the lore where EVERY place has walls.
Then, build the walls yourself.
>>47544757
I find it a little hard to associate that fluff with the images I find
>>47544578
>mfw the AOS Archaon figure at my local shop got hit by a falling book from the shelf
>figure started to wobble, then fall
>hits the groud and explodes with the force of 1000 suns
>piece of painted plastic everywhere
>the Nurgle head is still missing
>>47545000
>>47544575
>>47544593
>>47544658
thanks lads
>>47544840
You have made an excellent point.
>>47545013
Thank you anon, you just made my day.
Also, let's post stories about breaking models.
>>47545013
>AOS Archaon
I'm not even remotely upset.
Is Mordheim discussion ok?
I've been working on making more warbands but can't find good models for Sisters of Sigmar. Mantic has those Sisterhood ones, but they're of that weird plastic resin crap. Reaper has various battle nuns, but they get expensive to ship to Yuro. Bones would be cheaper, but I don't like the material.
Also, Undead. Any good alternatives to GW zombies and ghouls? Mantic ones are rather skinny and Frostgrave seem to be shorter than GW models.
>>47545013
Thanks lad.
>>47545013
>>the Nurgle head is still missing
you mean Slaanesh head?
>>47545028
succesful empire campaign?
>>47545013
I'm in fucking stitches right now.
>>47542871
Yeah. I've been looking for Hammerers and Ironbreakers for ages. They're £24 minimum over here.
>>47545147
>>47545101
Sisters is probably the hardest warband to find alternatives for, I've been searching for ages.
There was that indiegogo campaign for Warband-miniatures which got funded, but they apparently had to stop making miniatures...
The best bet is to git gud at greenstuff I'm afraid.
>>47545013
I thought he was the invincible Everchosen!
Blood Dragons were always the best Vampires.
I always had the totally original idea to make an undead Bretonnian army with a Blood Dragon general but I never got around to it.
>>47545252
Wasn't raging heroes doing space and fantasy battle nuns in a kickstarter?
So, how much has an average member of the Empire (so peasants, though city-dwellers would be nice to know) encounter an Elf? Specifically a Woof Elf? I get the impression that they'd be rarer than Wizards.
What about in Bretonnia? Do they see them as related to the Lady? Or do they see them as outsiders?
>>47546069
Wood elves are rarer than most elves, and don't like big human cities, where one tends to find elves of Ulthuan. They may be found in human settlements in the deep wild, but usually not as permanent residents - humans, especially rural humans, regard elves with wary respect and sometimes fear.
Bretonnians see the denizens of Athel Loren only when the situation is dire or they offend them. They do not draw a link between the wood elves and the Lady, and in fact regard them separate from the "fae" in general.
>>47545397
Yeah, but RH take FOREVER.
Shit, they fulfilled all the orders from the first KS but only a handful have made it to the shop yet.
>>47545326
>SCREAMING
>BOOKS
>Mordheim
>Vermintide
>Total Warhammer
>Man O' War
has the golden age of warhammer fantasy vidya arrived?
>>47546509
Yes.
Truly these are the Begin Times.
>>47546509
Is man O' war even good?
'm thinking about buuing mordheim during the summer sales tho
>>47546635
Yeah, none of the Fantasy games so far have been bad.
Man O is still in early alpha though, Mordheim is the better buy for now.
>>47546635
>Is man O' war even good?
It's in alpha. It could be good later. A lot later.
>>47546509
I have played the first three and they are all pretty sweet.
I had to force myself not to pick up the Ogre Kingdoms battalion box off ebay. I have a fuckton of backlog.
>>47546509
I hope they port Shadow of the Horned Rat and Dark Omen onto Steam.
>>47546715
Mah gut-brother. You should have given in to your hunger!
>>47546635
It's like the good parts of Assassin's Creed 4, but with a lot less polish on it. It's playable but I'd give it a few more updates before paying for it.
>>47546069
Varies with the location and overall mentality.
Marienburg has an entire district inhabited by elfs, and also L'Anguille regularly trades with elven seafarers. basycaly any Big city with a trade port has a chance to meet elven traders from Ulthuan.
Wood elves are rare and strongly isolationists. The biggest enclave is in the Athel Loren forest, but Bretonnians who leave in the dukedoms near the forest see them with a mixture of fear, awe and reverence. They call them the Fay and are convinced they're some kind of magical forest creatures who serve the Lady, even though any Bretonnian who lives in L'Anguille or Couronne could see they're Elves at first glance.
Another small settlement is located in theforests of the Empire, but they're even more isolationist. Some of them tho understand that they live in the Empire after all, so they sometimes send envoys to nearby villages or to the court of the closest Count, usually to complain about some paesant or woodcutter getting too close to their home. They don't generally attack denizes of the empire without provocations and have been known to help small villages in the forest fight off a beastmen raid sometimes. Trade is scarce, but travelling elven merchants can be seen around the Empire.
Like bretonnians, Empire paesants seldom trust elfs, some outright hate them, but most just look at them with a mixture of suspect, fear and admiration.
I feel like even tho it's dead on Tabletop, Warhammer Fantasy is being completely mutated into videogame material.
I'd wager we'd see a lot of games about warhammer fantasy coming out in future years, becoming some kind of videogame settingCan you imagine the time when people will play warhammer games and never know it was a miniature game once?
So if I wanted to play Tabletop Warhammer using some sort of online resource, what resource should I look at and are there any communities focused on that sort of thing?
>>47546779
I wanted to. But that would involve starting my 5th fantasy army in 3 months. I will get round to them eventually. My wallet can't take it.
>>47540814
HOL UP
>>47546849
Empire Woodies also help Dwarfs sometimes.
>>47547736
Took long enough.
>>47543570
>>47543647
Kirby hasn't showed up to a single meeting and they are apparently deliberately scheduled at times he can't attend anyway. The new guy is an actual hobbyist who wants to turn the company around and his main priority is to get people playing. I don't think the Old World will become canon again but I don't see why there couldn't be a type of officially sanctioned legacy warhammer and I've heard many GW stores are fine with 9th ed rulesets.
>>47546509
>Release a whole bunch of games to promote Warhammer Fantasy.
>Kill off Warhammer Fantasy.
I swear GW only stays in business thanks to pure luck.
>>47547003
I think Penny Arcade had a joke about that, but it was in regards to WoW and WAR. Back before WAR came out in fact as I recall.
Honestly, I just want my Bethesda Warhammer game. Mod, baby, mod! FPS stabbing! Interior decoration of Skullhouse Awesome, with skulls!
>>47547640
There's a few resources, but most have small communities. There was an attempt by a /co/mrade to get an AIgoing.
>>47547851
I don't know why the Old World can't be canon again, its been confirmed time and time again its a multiverse with a shitload of timey wimey nonesense on top of that.
They'd both exist, and have nothing more to do with each other than they do with Online, Blood Bowl, Storm of Chaos, 40k, or the Total Warhammer universe.
Hey guys, do I base models before or after I put the model on it?
I've seen both suggested. Obviously anything with cork board basing comes first, but I mean just dudes on gravel and grass.
>>47548062
Depends on the model. With cavalry and other complex models, I prefer painting it before gluing them to the base. If you have simple infantry, you can glue them, paint them and then flock them. However, models like skeletons are more difficult to flock on because they have such thin parts. Because of this, I would suggest painting those separately.
>>47543020
Son when was the last time you played Warhammer.
>>47546607
>>47547898
Warhammer Fantasy is not dead.
It ascended its corporeal form.
No longer this crude matter.
Now it resides in the purity of energy.
>>47548653
It's only as alive as the Emperor in 40k.
>>47547898
WHFB was killed off by shit corporate decisions from about 5th edition.
GW is not run by the same man now and I honestly think the guy is trying to turn GW around. AoS isn't THAT bad, but I do miss Not!Earth sometimes.
GW is in business because, surprise surprise, it's a business and it knows it better than we do. Go to /sp/ and ask the board to make the best soccer/football team at the moment. Then wait a year and see how well those players did. Not many will be as good as the board claims. Just like /v/ thinks it knows how to make the best video game ever, despite hating things which sell millions, /tg/ thinks it can run a business better. A good game? A good hobby? Possibly. But /tg/, if in charge, would reduce the price to 3/4 of what it is now and be bankrupted in 5 years.
The guy running GW before was all about money, not the game. My hope is the new guy will fix that.
WHFB was not sustainable and I do not think radical changes would have been any more 'acceptable' than AoS was.
Did you buy Triumph and Treachery? I did. Does anybody (without Googling) know what it is? I do. Nobody I spoke to about GW knew what it was. WHFB wasn't popular and that isn't a simple one reason why it wasn't.
I look at AoS for what I want. Models. If it means new models, then I'm happy. Bretonnia seems to be getting an update soon (or so it's implied) and that's neat.
However I've stopped coming in these threads as it's just simple bashing and grumbling like old dwarfs.
>>47545354
Beat you to it
>>47549016
I can't play the Emperor in 40k on my computer.
>>47543330
Honestly probably not since the range is just too big. LotR is current biggest specialist game and that is only around 200 models total.
First there would have to be actual evidence that there is an increased demand. Total Warhammer is seemingly a good game, but it GW may have the right of it that all they're going to get besides the royalty checks is maybe an increased sale in Fantasy books people buying models to display in the same way they buy stuff for other games, anime, manga, and comics.
Pride has jack all to do with it. They're a company and will go where the money is. Plus if you don't think there are probably people at GW who enjoyed Fantasy you've allowed salt to cloud your mind.
>>47548004
The old Fantasy world is still canon, it just blew up.
>>47543607
Not a cheat code, vamps become slated more depending on the vitality of their prey.
The dragon Abhorash slew was supercharged by the wind of life. So it basically pushed back the thirst, pretty much indefinitely.
Other blood dragons have followed his footsteps killing regular style dragons and it works for a long time but they eventually feel the thirst again.They keep trying though.
Does anything weird happen to a vampire that drinks the blood of someone jacked up on Chaos energies?
Also, if the Blood Dragons are super war-autists, why don't they all flock to the north and fight Chaos Warriors and Champions forever?
>>47548287
Thank you!
>>47549016
The God Emperor is as dead as Maelstrom Miniatures.
Age of Sigmar sucks, but its still leagues above 40k to me. The idiot naming is still less cringey than Ludicricron Excessivia Fauxeun Latinarius.
>>47550432
>The old Fantasy world is still canon, it just blew up.
Right, but in a multiverse they can literally just say "Hey, here's a universe where Age of Sigmar didn't ever happen and never will."
I mean, Age is already a really stupid version of Crisis On Infinite Earths anyway. May as well go full comics.
>>47550534
Wait...isn't the Wind of Life something that can only harm Undead? Even Light can be used by them, no Undead can actually benefit from Life.
>>47550620
Absolutely nothing, other than the fact Vlad got REALLY sick drinking from Nurgle's champion and made a trail of puke across the Empire from it.
Chaos usually just warps the body, but is a property of the soul.
>Also, if the Blood Dragons are super war-autists, why don't they all flock to the north and fight Chaos Warriors and Champions forever?
Blood Dragons are not Khornates or Orks who only care about fighting. Blood Dragons want to fight the best of the best and drink their blood in hopes of being cured of their thirst and hunt out both good and evil alike. They're also adherent to their own ideas of chivalry. Anyone they kill that is worthy in their eyes, they raise as one of their own.
Orks/Orcs only fight because they only fight as a function of their reproductive cycle, Khorne's policy isn't even fighting so much as just killing anything in any way that isn't being a wizard.
>>47550866
I've only heard of Light harming the Undead
Also Blood Dragons are seemingly able to fall under Khorne's influence considering it happened to Walach.
>>47550991
>end times
>>47551065
As far as I'm aware there is no conflict in a vampire consciously choosing to worship one of the Chaos gods.
Most likely just see no point in doing so since they already have eternal life and power. Walach may have been a case of viewing Khorne as a preferable master to Nagash.
>>47550991
>happened to Walach.
I dont think you are truelly understanding how much lore McFuckery went on during End Times. Walach was a very, VERY powerful Blood Knight that single handedly took over a knightly order at Blood Keep and waged war against the Empire itself for a short time. There is no doubt in my mind that he would have told Khorn to go suck his own thorny dick, as a Blood Knight General or Captain bows to no one. Im also against the other vampires "falling'' to chaos. Genevieve showed time and again vampires are well able to tell Khorne or Tzeetch to kick a dick when they came calling. As for your question about them fighting chaos, they were. Tons of Blood Knights are socketed into knightly orders in Bretonnia and the Empire, majority on Bretonnia.
>>47551319
>I dont think you are truelly understanding how much lore McFuckery went on during End Times.
I think it's pretty overblown, this is a perfectly good example.
>There is no doubt in my mind that he would have told Khorn to go suck his own thorny dick, as a Blood Knight General or Captain bows to no one.
Except Nagash
>Im also against the other vampires "falling'' to chaos.
Good thing you could argue that he didn't fall then. Falling implies the Chaos gods having a hand in forcing someone to worship them. Trapped beyond the Auric Bastion Walach could have had time to think things over and realize that he'd rather pledge himself to Khorne than be apart of Nagash's ordered world of death where there is no one to fight.
>>47551585
>Except Nagash
Actually no, his hold wasnt that strong towards Necrachs and Blood Knights
>>47551734
Majority seemingly still listened him though. If Walach truly bowed to no one he could have refused Nagash's summons even if that meant getting killed.
>>47551764
Which is why its so out of character, for any vampire, to just suddenly trot up to a chaos gos after decades of their lore stating they constantly belittled chaos followers. And Isabella choosing Nurgle? For fucks sakes man
>>47551142
>As far as I'm aware there is no conflict in a vampire consciously choosing to worship one of the Chaos gods.
Well, there's only one single time it happened. Drachenfels, but he's not really proper undead since we don't know what exactly he even is. He just sort of refused to die and had the ability to steal skin and wear it, and was able to use the willpower he used to refuse to die to control Daemons, Orcs, and Undead. In his own words in his own books he's stronger than the Chaos Gods, or at least immune to their influence until End Times shat on the old continuity.
>Most likely just see no point in doing so since they already have eternal life and power. Walach may have been a case of viewing Khorne as a preferable master to Nagash.
Thing is, Walach shouldn't give a fuck either way about Khorne. His loyalty is to Abhorash, and none other in a manner of absolute worship and devotion in a manner that can fairly be compared to knightly Sam and lordly Frodo. So whatever Abhorash does, Walach should follow.
The massive problem with the construction of End Times is it seems to hinge entirely on the writers being completely sick of authority figures and the audience being able to relate. The High Elves turn their back on the Phoenix King and their racial identity, Lileath turns her back on Isha, Malekith turns his back on Morathi, Teclis turns his back on everyone, Archaon turns his back on Sigmar, Walach turns his back on Abhorash, Bretonnia turns its back on The Lady, Tyrion turns his back on his own alliance of Dwarfs/Men/Elves, Mannfred turns his back on Nagash, Gotrek even fucking abandons Felix to a miserable death so he can go do his own thing.
Every major plot point comes because someone decided to be an anarchist. The constant theme being beat into the head of the reader is "authority is a bunch of fuckheads, so fuck 'em".
Honestly, someone really needs to see a shrink at GW.
>>47551837
I unfortunately have to play devil's advocate here, Isabella didn't turn to Nurgle willingly. They corrupted her soul and she was possessed by a Daemon, basically making her a Daemon Princess in the sense that it was her personality with Daemonic power.
The reason she could be corrupted when normally undead cannot is because she was dead at the time, just a naked soul without whatever properties being an undead body/ghost (which I suppose to have more mass than an ordinary soul, somehow) which thus was as corruptible as any other.
Vlad using his ring to resurrect her caused the Daemon to die, and her soul to return fully cleansed to her undead body. In a manner exactly like Harry Potter in the final book, the killing blow only killed the soul that wasn't supposed to be there and left the true occupant of the body in its rightful place.
Its not actually bad storytelling, although I REALLY fucking wanted momma and poppa von Carstein to come back and stay back.
The problem is...if Nagash had literally become death and was able to resurrect Vlad, why the fuck wasn't he able to resurrect Isabella? All souls literally belong to him once he's an Incarnate, how was he able to pluck Vlad out of where the fuck ever but not her?
Furthermore, since now it is completely canon that Nagash controls they very concept of souls and the dead now in Age of Sigmar he DOES have the both of them and can resurrect them at will to keep their piece of shit son in line.
>>47551859
I think Drachenfels really stopped mattering or at least bearing any similarity to his old form when Warhammer started getting away from DnD.
Abhorash could have been a decent reason for Walach not to turn, but for whatever reason he was not present during the End Times. The only place he crops up is in Reynold's book and considering how badly put together the rest of the series was I doubt his words mean anything.
>The High Elves turn their back on the Phoenix King
As I recall at least half if not more did fight on Tyrion's side, it was only when he fell deeper into being consumed by Khaine that those with any sense started to abandon him .
Imrik only went with Malekith because his ancestor told him too.
>Lileath turns her back on Isha
A gambit to try and save something from the situation. I highly doubt Ariel would have willing cooperated to oppose Tyrion.
>Malekith turns his back on Morathi
As he had the right to after all the shit she pulled, including killing his wife.
>Teclis turns his back on everyone
For what he viewed as the greater good and the only way to save the world. He has something of a breakdown after Lileath reveals everything he did was basically in the name of a lie and that the world was incapable of being saved.
>Archaon turns his back on Sigmar
Probably because the secret he learned was that all the gods have their origins in the Chaos gods and so probably thought that Sigmar was just like them and not an actual man somehow risen to godhood.
>Tyrion turns his back on his own alliance of Dwarfs/Men/Elves
Because he was at first more concerned about his daughter and after that fell to the Curse of Aenarion.
>Mannfred turns his back on Nagash
He seemingly never gave a damn about Nagash anyway and chafed being under his rule. If he continued to serve him than the shackles would never come off.
>>47551937
>The problem is...if Nagash had literally become death and was able to resurrect Vlad, why the fuck wasn't he able to resurrect Isabella? All souls literally belong to him once he's an Incarnate, how was he able to pluck Vlad out of where the fuck ever but not her?
>Furthermore, since now it is completely canon that Nagash controls they very concept of souls and the dead now in Age of Sigmar he DOES have the both of them and can resurrect them at will to keep their piece of shit son in line.
Its because all the writing is SHIT. Necrachs are drawn to knowledge and power to avoid death. Blood Knights view Abhorash as vampiric perfection and the perfect warrior. Lahmians... man they aint got time for Chaos. Carsteins are so full of themselves they just shrug their shoulders. Strigoi answer to Nagash and Nagash only, or some other undead deity. Man its all bull shit. BULLSHIT
>>47551937
Nagash probably couldn't bring Isabella back due to Nurgle playing interference. Nagash likes to talk a big game and believe he is the equal of the Chaos gods, but that was shown not to be the case.
He also simply may not really have given enough of a damn at the moment. Nagash only cares about himself and maybe Arkhan since he is his right hand man.
GW also never really bothered to hammer out the mechanics of how the Fantasy universe worked, so that doesn't help matters.
It would nice if they could come back in AoS since Vlad was one of the best characters in Fantasy and would be the perfect type of person for an alliance with Sigmar.
>>47552161
Vampires have already proven that if Nagash gets off his ass that a decent number of them will flock to his banner, either to get scraps of glory or to simply be on his good side should he prove successful in his current endeavor. Better to falsely abase yourself and save your skin rather than hide until the day he rolls up to your house and throws a temper tantrum.
>>47552313
>Vlad was one of the best characters in Fantasy
You shut your whore mouth
>>47541244
MAKE TILEA AND ESTALIA THEIR CANON SIZES CA YOU FUCKS
AND THEN GIVE ME DOGS OF WAR
>>47541483
Heads up, the FAQ states that Standard of Discipline on a Slann doesn't remove InsPres on the unit he joins.
>>47552419
He was though, particularly in the End Times.
He allowed you to root for and provided a model that showed that you could have vampires who viewed it as their responsibility to shepherd humanity.
>>47544578
This made my toes curl.
>>47545013
And now I feel much better. Cheers anon.
>>47552490
Just a reminder that the ressing of Vlad was said to have changed him in unknown ways.
>>47551937
>Furthermore, since now it is completely canon that Nagash controls they very concept of souls and the dead now in Age of Sigmar he DOES have the both of them and can resurrect them at will to keep their piece of shit son in line.
The Realm of Shyish is big and Nagash had to war with other entities and gods to conquer most of it. It would be like looking for a needle in a haystack. A haystack on fire after Chaos conquered Shyish.
>>47552161
Strigoi don't answer to anyone, not even in End Times. The only being with any authority over them is Ushoran, who's only interest is in gathering all the Gypsies and rebuilding an empire that will bring the entire world together in peace. Your random wandering Strigoi only obeys their hunger, and the only beings off-limits are the Strigany.
No Strigoi had any actual loyalty to Nagash until Age of Sigmar, where some have taken to worshiping him as a god but are as likely to worship Chaos or just any random statue they find if they even worship anything at all.
>>47552623
Then how the fuck did he get back the three Mortarchs he gave mounts to?
Plus, all the souls were in once place. That's how Archaon was able to stick them in a giant container to stop him from using them to fight back.
Plus you're telling me that the physical embodiment of death actually has to sort them one by one to find the one he wants? He rezzed Vlad with a bit of the blood of Mannfred, and he already has that now. Shit, he's got Neferata for when he wants Khalida back.
>>47552686
>Then how the fuck did he get back the three Mortarchs he gave mounts to?
He purposely hunted Mannfred's soul and dragged out from the ether and then enfleshed it and bound him to his eternal service out of spite because he knew that no torment is worse for Mannfred than being a slave to Nagash. It was personal.
Arkan and Nef never died in the End Times so they could have made it on their own to Shyish from the Realm of Chaos.
>Plus, all the souls were in once place.
Not really. Shyish is WAY bigger than that. It has all the underworlds of the multiverse. What Archaon did was create a huge fortress from Nagash's defeated armies.
>Plus you're telling me that the physical embodiment of death actually has to sort them one by one to find the one he wants?
Or find their resting place. Nagash is not omniscient .
>He rezzed Vlad with a bit of the blood of Mannfred
And now Mannfred has escaped again and is plotting to overthrow Nagash.
>>47542505
>>47542385
Weakness to sun was a curse of one of the gods of Nekhara,pretty sure others would also be related to them
>>47552559
Vlad's idea was always to shepherd humanity,even when he started a war he had that in mind
I really think End Times shit should be kept in Age of Sigmar threads.
Now has anyone ever thought about continuing the story onward from Realms of Chaos?
Adding in new characters, reworking fluff, changing up bullshit rules, making the game fun? It lives on in vassal and other forms, and maybe even some physical stores might get a resurgence if /tg/ made a ruleset and fluff release.
I mean fuck it, why not? We've done more ridiculous shit in the past.
>>47553422
there's been a couple of attempts to keep the setting around with a changed outcome to the End Times, but that's it.
>>47553485
But End Times is genuinely garbage. Several places are just leveled by Skaven, Chaos is put as a pack of chumps to their own hyped event, nothing charming or memorable about Warhammer Fantasy really comes out in it. It's an attempt to rachet down on army books in preparation for killing the whole franchise off. There's no pseudo-historical romps, no true tales of heroism, and towards the end with all the "Ascendants", it really takes out the little man. Plus so much stuff is happening so fast it bears absolutely no weight at all.
It felt like a rush to get to the end. A dash to the finish line - not enjoying and reveling in the journey to get there. Plus some characters just get outright assassinated, in terms of how they should act, like Mannfred, Good Ole Karl, and Tyrion.
>>47553541
Warhammer Fantasy had lost its sense of humour and fun for a while now - starting at the tail end of 7th ed and pretty much gone completely in 8th edition. It became about escalating power levels and being over the top 'badass' without a tongue in its cheek.
One of the reasons I'm enjoying Total War: Warhammer so much is they've slipped a lot of the jokes back in. There's even a reference to the 'Tragedy of McDeath' at one point.
>>47553422
I'm willing to but I'm not sure what I have in mind will be liked or even considered as a possibilitybecause it has parts of AoS retroactively included in the WHFB setting
>>47553541
I'm pretty ok with >>47553377, ET is best left and discussed in AoS threads.
>>47553623
> that spoiler
Please no. I don't even like a lot of the late 7th/8th ed stuff.
>>47553623
>>47553624
>>47553644
What about a continuation from sixth, then? No more five man lines, but four? Changing up the model count to have a higher chance of getting into the hobby.
I can write like no one's business, I'm a workhorse when it comes to that. But rules I know jack fuck all about.
When End Times came around, I ate up tons of written material, the old codexes, wiki entries, Gotrek and Felix. I fell in love with Fantasy...just to see it die. I've fallen in love again, with TW: Warhammer coming out and playing 2nd ED WFRP adventures. Oh, and Vermintide. Vermintide is the only good thing about the End Times.
>>47553644
The idea was just to keep some minor ideas as possibilities and side events, nothing that would actually directly interfer with what goes on in the old world, but I get why some people like to keep things as low magic as possible and to keep afar from anything AoS related as possible.
>>47553745
>but I get why some people like to keep things as low magic as possible
The old world was never low-magic, but it was usually subtle. AoS or ET are never subtle.
>>47553682
>Changing up the model count to have a higher chance of getting into the hobby.
The way I would do it is to have many units have a choice in how many wounds a model have and restrictions in terms of minimum front and maximum models.
For example an infantry unit like saurus would likely have a max of 16 or 20, a minimum front of 4 and a choice to have parts of all of its models with 2 wounds.
Similar things even for elite units of elves, dwarfs men, up to 3 wounds per model in special cases
Leaving a choice allows players both to have big numbers if they already have the models and like the look of them or to go with smaller elite units.
Of course it would be nice if to the increase in wounds is related a slightly bigger base and/or a more blinks covered model.
>>47549318
Source on bretonnia revamp? I know about some of the 8th Edition concepts.
>>47553613
Bret Peasants with Somerset accents lol, love it
Ya know what, fuck it. The only person who's gonna make this is me. I shall write it, and hope for a rulesfag to come. If people actually care what becomes of my writings, well say so. Otherwise I'll work on it in secret until I've got enough of a comprehensive rewrite to show off.
>>47553820
There's no source outright pointing at a revamp
>>47554038
Perhaps you're better off doing it that way/tg/ doesn't get shit done, anons do
>>47549318
How about you stop being an apologist.
The ONLY reason it declined was GW mismanaging it, it was a top 5 selling game in North America less than 5 years ago. Claiming it was unsustainable is just absurd.
Reducing model prices and numbers in the box to 6E levels would not be 'radical'. Neither would undoing the 8E rule changes that existed only to try and increase sales.
>>47554060Anons make up /tg/.
>>47554038
As you said before, when it comes to the rules a revamp of 5th or 6th edition is probably your best bet - the scale of the battles were fun and rather easy to play. As for the lore, sheds most of the late grimdarkness, the old world is supposed to be strange, not grim and gritty all the time.
>>47554153
What I'm cooking up so far. Tell me if the tone is right. The idea for the undead is to go from hilariously ineffective zombies, to affable skeletons, to OH FUCK SHIT VARGHULF AND MANNFRED SHIT SHIT SHIT
Without further ado:
Skeletonal Warriors
Countless battles have been fought across history. Mankind's legacy is one of blood, and it is maintained by shedding it continously in the name of survival. This has left not shortage of men fallen far from home, sometimes in last stands, otherwise in frantic routes cut down in panic. Whatever the case may be, endless bodies occupy the inches of mud wherever one may set foot. This is the origin of Skeletonal Warriors, drawn up from the earth to serve. Unlike Zombies, these servants keenly remember their past life. Though this is a blessing for their masters, it is a curse for these arisen.
Unable to feel, smell, or touch anything these skeletons are caught in a deathless limbo. Trapped in imperfect vessels, they long for a release so they may return to nothing once more. Necromancers and Vampires keep their undying loyalty through the promise of releasing them when their service has been completed. This being the only insurance the warriors have of remaining dead, they accept. No other place shall take them, for the rites of banish the undead also damn the souls of those summoned.
Though lost in between the realm of life and death more keenly than any other undead, Skeletonal Warriors are who they were in life. Sometimes great warriors can mark themselves out, and become empowered by their masters to become Grave Guards. Others pass the time by preforming stunts physically impossible in life, such as toying with their own heads or popping off arms. Skeletonal Warriors can even hold little malice for those they kill, sometimes apologizing before sinking in their sword, much to the chagrin of those who summoned them.
>>47549318
>AoS isn't THAT bad
get out
>>47549318
>I look at AoS for what I want. Models. If it means new models, then I'm happy.
>>47554242
They aren't even trying anymore.
>>47554199
I'd leave the "endless bodies everywhere" tone out, and instead stress out the fact that the long-lived occult practician always know where to find a few bones for the craft.
>>47554286
Alright. Good to know the comedy and lighter aspects of them weren't too off the mark, that's something I was worried about. Tonally I've never found much different between zombies and skeletons, and feel the skeletons should be the notably superior of the two in characterization and such.
>>47554322
The comedy vibe was what made WHFB so good in the first place.
Amateur but detailed map I made with MS paint.
>>47546509
Yes.
GW tried to kill Fantasy but what is dead may never die
>>47545354
It really annoyed me that no Blood Knights were in Total War. They could have easily just replaced them with the Black Knights with Great Weapons
>>47554322
>>47554327
GW really never completely got rid of the comedy vibe. All the fluff in the 8th ed Orcs & Goblins army book is basically a giant joke.
Though obviously it's gone with AOS
>>47554373
I think they may want to sell the Vampire Counts as the Vampires as specials and all the rest undead, which is why they've removed units were Vampires could be used en masse.
>>47554333
I swear Naggaroth is never the same shape in any map that shows it.
>>47554242
WARHAHRAW will never stop being funny
I think what I liked is that a lot of the fluff from the human realms had a sense of old German fairy tales come to life. Here you actually might be eaten by a monster if you wander into the woods.
Also it took real cultures/historical stuff and gave it a nice fantasy spin.
Can anyone identify this dwarf for me?
I've been loooking all over different catalogues, but I just can't seem to find it.
A guy accidentaly send me him instead of one of the cannon crew, and I've been thinking about using him as a BSB.
>>47555124
*sent
dammit
>>47555124
Could it be one of the old marauder dwarf spearmen?
>>47549318
>Bretonnia seems to be getting an update soon (or so it's implied) and that's neat.
Oh anon, all we're not getting Brets. We're getting is some extremely expensive Hollysterm Dethgerd Pollediuns.
>>47555515
I couldn't find any holding their spears like that.
>>47549369
what's the model you're using there?
>>47549318
Okay, >>47554061, >>47554217, >>47554242 already answered you, but I want to add something. I know T&T and it is shit, no wonders no one ever cared about it. Do you remember when WD used to publish those things? For free? Like campaign, additional rules etc? Now, you might came from the same economy schol of Sir Kirby, but those little free things actually help sales. I'm abashed on how GW brainwashed you into this "fantasy wasn't sell", cause the only truth is "it wasn't selling as much as we wanted. So please, cut this meme already.
>>47547974
>I think Penny Arcade had a joke about that, but it was in regards to WoW and WAR. Back before WAR came out in fact as I recall.
It ends in death threats, yeah.
>>47550620
>Does anything weird happen to a vampire that drinks the blood of someone jacked up on Chaos energies?
Generally nothing or nearly nothing.
This is why Chaos fucking hates vampires - they do not need nor do they want the Ruinous Powers. Even more than dwarfs, ogres, and halflings, vampires sneer in the face of Chaos.
>>47557151
I always thought that was some modified version.
How would you imagine a vampire empire? (The von Carsteins conquered the empire).
>>47558484
The same as pre-Khalida Lahmia, Vlad's Sylvania, or Ushoran's Mourkain, depending on who is in charge.
>>47558484
Probably just like Vlad's Sylvania but with more backstabbing for the throne.
The Empire would be half living and half undead depending on how it was conquered. It probably wouldn't have warrior priests anymore but witch hunters may be tolerated if they focus on chaos worshippers.
>>47555861
>>47555515
>>47555124
That looks like a Standard or something, that looks too long for a dorf spear
>>47558484
if shit undead, current sylvania
if competent undead, tomb kings but dressed as germans
if good undead, holy roman empire with the mos maiorum and the borders of the realm defended by the "ancients" and the alive having a cult of the ancestors and being pretty rich
>>47558731
Genevieve for Emperor.
LGS has the non-aos Guardians of the Deepwood for 142€
yay or nay?
I want treemen
>>47558484
An absolute dictatorship ruled by an exclusive cabal of vampires who compete among themselves for the favor of their patriarch (or matriarch). Admission to the ranks of the vampire nobility would probably be more or less meritocratic. Lesser officials would rule at their overlords' convenience and be punished for failure with execution and slavery in undeath.
Depending on the vampire in charge, feeding on normies may be limited to just volunteers and criminals/slaves, or it might be a free for all. Some would be more hands-off in their rule, focusing on their own idle amusements, while others (Carstein and their ilk) prefer to be an ever-present force.
Militaries consist of a core of mortals, led by vampires, with the undead providing the dregs.
Should I make an amiable noble contact my PCs have a secret mutant, or is this too cliche?
I feel like ghouls and lords in TWWH should probably not use the same binding rules as actual undead, since they are still living creatures.
>>47559315
Too cliche
>>47559214
Do humans get vampire gfs?
>>47559380
Detlef did
>>47559334
>binding rules as actual undead, since they are still living creatures.
They still suffer from the vampiric control
>>47554199
>Skeletonal Warriors can even hold little malice for those they kill, sometimes apologizing before sinking in their sword, much to the chagrin of those who summoned them.
>Hey i know this is stupid but... yeah
>[Buries sword up to the hilt in some poor peasant spearman]
>See you in a minute though!
>>47559432
Yes but they don't literally crumble to dust when that control evaporates, they just cut and run like normal living soldiers.
Also, having lords crumble instead of breaking makes actually wiping out a stack a little bit buggy.
>>47559419
>>47559541
>normal living soldiers.
I wouldnt go as far as saying "normal" and "soldiers"
>>47559636
I meant from a vidya sense, they'd flee, same as say, trolls.
>>47559380
Detlef Sierck did, and so did Felix Jaeger (sort of - they mutually agreed it wasn't gonna happen).
Generally if a vampire loves a human enough to keep it around, they'll offer it the blood kiss. A not-insubstantial number of Lahmians end up excommunicated for actually giving a shit about the humans they're attached to and turning them without permission or sparing them death when ordered.
>>47559973
>tfw no slightly thick lahmian girl who cuddles up to your warm human body
>>47560102
Thick vampires are canon, the Lahmian brothel owner who could turn into animals was.
>>47560102
Kind of fucked up, but ET and AoS have the best chance of undead romance.
>>47560134
Oh im fully aware they are canon, i just want/MIGHTYNEED one. Then once im in my prime, blood kiss
>>47560134
I fucking loved her lair, it was like a Don Bluth Villain's lair.
Piles of worn exotic carpets, oodles of gaudy brass lamps and censers. I just really fucking loved it for some reason.
>>47541244
on one side i alppreciate that Ulthuan is smaller, because that makes it more defensible
on the other side it sucks because that
means it will probably be 3-4 provinces with 2-3 settlements each.
>>47560397
Its the reason that book was the best in the series. The descriptions of Sylvania, the Empire, all the human characters, the Lahmians, everything was just dripping in personality and character, everything was lived in. It was so much the opposite of Age of Sigmar.
I mean, who the fuck thinks to describe lice in a clothes swap?
>>47560657
Yeah, it'll focus Dark and High into wasting each other until Chaos invades, so they'll show up super late to the party. Although it'd be funny to see Chaos get assfucked by Elves before the Orcs lose.
I wonder if Wood will have to sit out most of the campaign, or if Bretonnia ends up never succeeding under AI control again.
>>47560729
What book
Who /OgreKingdoms/ here?
The lore of the Ogres is so fun but often overlooked, even if there isn't too much of it. Check out the Challenge Stone story. Also their big models let you go into so much detail with each one. True patrish army.
>>47560916
Ogres are like the Section 8 housing of the Warhammer world
>>47560870
Ulrika: Bloodborn.
The other two sucked ass though.
>>47560916
I like Maneaters and Firebellied, not fond of the rest.
I wish you could use just an army of them.
>>47561164
You cant? I do an army of skeletons
>>47561124
I haven't had much chance to read the other two, but noticed a feeling of discontinuity at the start of the second book.
Is the other vampire lady series any good?
>>47561172
A legit army, not just proxies.
There's just not enough Maneater models for it anyway.
Still, the fact any army can use one as a proxy is nice.
>>47561218
Genevieve is 10/10. But she comes out of the early days when the game was still closely tied to roleplaying, so armies and recognizable things from the tabletop are totally absent.
>>47561219
Nothens stoppin you from buying the models though bruh.
>>47561240
A bit of a shame because I sorta liked the little battle in say, Dragonslayer where you could basically construct the Orc and Bandit forces out of the Empire and Greenskin armies.
>>47561333
Eh, it was back in the RPG days. The Drachenfels Vermintide levels are all based on the Drachenfels RPG supplement, which was based on the Genevieve books.
We still need good Vermintide tabletop rules.
>>47561437
I thought the Drachenfels expansion (And all of Vermintide) had roots in the WFRP3e (yuck) supplement.
Also i think machines of war and Wheat and Chaff should be switched on the Vermintide map, so there's more forest around the Warmachines level, whatever it's called.
>>47561534
Drachenfels was a creepy as fuck book man. Even worse was how he hunted down the survivors
>>47561534
Vanilla Vermintide is set in Ubersreik which is detailed in The Edge of Night which is 3e.
I don't think there was a 3e book that featured Castle Drachenfels, but there was a 1e supplement. However, as far as I can tell, the DLC is more based on the novel than the supplement (with some overlap)
>>47562085
Do you have an Edge of Night .pdf?
>>47562489
It's in the mega archive in the pastebin in the OP.
>>47546717
I read that as Blood Omen and now i want to make stats for Kain as a dramatis personae. Alternatively how would Kain fair in the Warhammer world?
>>47553541
>Several places are just leveled by Skaven
The only really places ruined by the Skaven were Estalia and Tilea. Bretonnia was fucked over by its civil war and the fate of everything not-Europe is untouched by GW proper.
>Chaos is put as a pack of chumps to their own hyped event
The Glottkin alone dealing a heavy blow to the Empire doesn't seem chumpish.
>towards the end with all the "Ascendants", it really takes out the little man
Because in the presence of the Incarnates the little man means shit. Combat in the books was usually bland as can be and the one on one fights were the only things of any value.
How would you have wanted Mannfred, Karl, and Tyrion to act? Was Mannfred supposed to just give up all ambition and willing go down on Nagash? Was Tyrion supposed to just toss his daughter in the trash?
Yeah the End Times books were rushed, but with some stuff here you're just off the mark.
>>47553613
>Warhammer Fantasy had lost its sense of humour and fun for a while now
Fucking please, Glottkin had Beasts of Nurgle acting like excited dogs, pissing themselves in excitement and killing someone in the process.
>>47554061
>it was a top 5 selling game in North America less than 5 years ago.
It was in fourth place and probably only hanging on by dint of it's past before finally falling off.
Reducing the price of models and at the same time increasing the number you got in the box probably wouldn't have done shit because it runs counter to where the rest of the industry has been going.
You also have to consider that maybe people just find Fantasy's ruleset and type of gameplay to be utterly boring. It's been close to two years already and no one has tried to step up and pitch a mass battle game, probably because the market just isn't there. You have the remnants of Fantasy, KoW, and that is about it.
>>47544840
Who is this amazing artist by the way?
>>47562808
>It was in fourth place and probably only hanging on by dint of it's past before finally falling off.
>fourth place
>out of five
>b-barely hanging on
i wish people like you would choke to death on their dinosaur shaped chicken nuggets
>>47562872
Considering that at the time 40k was in first place (Now second to X-Wing) and Fantasy was being surpassed that games much younger than it, I'd call that hanging on by dint of its past. I think 40k is largely in the spot at the moment, bar maybe the Horus Heresy, it's hanging on by dint of being one of the biggest games, its models, its lore, and its history.
As a game though it may have fallen on its ass just like Fantasy did or the truth may finally be coming to light, that 40k and Fantasy were never anything more than average games that relied on that mentioned above and the lack of competition to prop them up.
It's nice to see such vitriol lending credence to my hypothesis that Fantasyfags embody "Stop not liking what I like" though.
