>Anon tried to convince me that Nyarlathotep isn't evil
Just kill me /tg/
>>47526680
He's not.
Good and evil are mortal concepts and by definition Nyarly is above that.
>>47526680
Those tentacle blobs playing flutes are distractingly silly. And sort of cute.
>>47526680
He just wants to have a good time, faggot. What's next, going to say Sheogorrath is evil?
>>47526699
And even if they aren't Nyarlathotep is at the very least of neutral alignment.
>>47526699
He may be above it but he clearly understands human morals and is a complete sadist who enjoys the suffering of others.
>>47526680
What?
He's Lovecraft's most actively malicious character and outright corrupts men's societies for funsies and has avatars that requires baby sacrifices.
>elder being that you can never understand
>being subject to moral judgement by standards of buch of evolved apes that will be extinguished in time he will notice only as a passing moment
>>47526775
>>47526758
Wow, you guys are selfish as fuck, aren't you? Seriously, at least the Crawling Chaos deems to take notice of mortals. You should all be very grateful he CARES about your baby sacrifices.
I've never heard of him, please spoon feed this retarded baby?
>>47526808
He's your waifu for tonight
>>47526808
Nyarlathotep, the Crawling Chaos, and God of a Thousand Forms, is one of the most powerful deities in the Lovecraft mythos. One of the Outer Gods, beings that are so monstrous in scope and power that they make Cthulhu look like a frog.
Nyarlathotep is a cool guy, though. He's a party animal who doesn't really know when to stop, is his real issue. Anyone who hangs out with him is sure to have a fun, entirely unproductive time. Everyone saying otherwise is just jealous of his dashing good looks, and the fact that he has like, a billion more avatars than everyone else.
>>47526808
Nyarlathotep is a character from the novel and anime series Haiyore! Nyaruko-san. She is an alien who comes to earth to protect it from other destructive aliens who for some reason are inextricably drawn to it.
>>47526868
Oh, hi me.
>>47526808
He's literally a Satan stand-in and based on what Lovecraft called the most horrible and realistic nightmare he had since age 10.
>>47526808
>>47526834
>>47526892
Crawling Chaos is love!
>>47526680
From his species's own perspective, he probably isn't. However, you/ your character does not operate on that level, and are in fact in the exact bracket of pathethic that he like's to have "fun" with. So, for all practical purposes, he's an evil motherfucker.
>>47526749
the point with lovecraftian beasties is that they are incomprehensible to mortals and stuff. So, the concept of alignments kind of breaks down when applied to them, at least from their perspective. If applied at a mortal perspective, he'd be so deep into CE that he'd drop off the graph.
>>47526800
>selfish as fuck
You say that like it's a bad thing.
>>47526733
'The eternally drumming and piping old gods' has to be one of my favorite descriptions from Lovecraft, I don't know why but I love the image
>>47527084
From the Outer Gods perspective he's a complete deviant, who may or may not be Azathoth's personality before he became the idiot Chaos
>>47527112
I agree, it's so bizarre it just fits them perfectly.
>>47526808
The chaos that always crawls up to you with a smile.
>>47526925
What? No, I'm just a fan.
>>47526834
>>47526892
>>47527064
>>47527303
We need a Nyarlathotep reaction to Nyarko.
>>47527354
She seems like a energetic young girl! What more is there to say? After all, clearly it is a different person by the same name. That happens you know. The other day, I met someone named Migo. He was a car salesman, not a mushroomfly. The name was such a coincidence that he laughed, I laughed, I completely change his entire cultural identity, it was a good time.
>>47527064
>>47527493
>>47527342
> Forgetting all anons are Nyarlathotep's Masks
>Then came too late the sardonic caution of the daemon legate who had bidden the seeker beware the madness of that song.
>Only to taunt had Nyarlathotep marked out the way to safety and the marvelous sunset city;
>only to mock had that black messenger revealed the secret of these truant gods.
>For madness and the void's wild vengeance are Nyarlathotep's only gifts to the presumptuous.
>>47527537
It's not a mask.
>>47527108
Fuck off, Steiner. You yourself are a spook.
>>47527673
Hastur just stop.
>>47526834
And here it is.
Thread ruined.
>>47527277
>>47527112
I read an interesting theory as to the logic behind this phrase. The idea is that drums are very 'primal' in terms of the emotional and physical reactions to them, in addition to being very simple. One the other hand flute playing is a very precise, calculated exercise. And that sums up the outer gods extremely well, cold, calculating, precise and at the same time simple and primal. It's the image for them I try to bear in mind whenever I run lovecraftian horror.
>>47527626
>And the Black King toyed with the idea of rising from Egypt
>For the Fellahin would kneel and humanity find a true God
>A Faceless God
>He smiled to himself and continued to toy with the notion
I'm suprised by the lack of August Derleth jokes about morality and the Yog-Sothoth Mythos.
>>47527935
that's because Derleth's fits yog-sothothery even worse than D&D alignments
>>47527794
I'm highly tempted to writefag something based off my 4 lines
All gods are lawful neutral.
>>47528243
>this niggah
Read some poems with Nyarlathotep in them
>>47528328
>niggers
gets me every time
This is Nyarlathotep's universe; we merely live in it.
All he does is remind us how small and powerless we really are.
>>47528347
This guy gets it.
>>47528347
If you wanna get really technical, its Azathoths universe.
>>47528707
Azathoth is just a weed-smoker. He sits around all day, listening to terrible music, while not even having the brain-cells to qualify for sapience anymore.
>>47528707
>Forgetting Nyarlathotep pretty much is Azathoth
>>47526699
This does not mean we cannot rightfully label what little he does fill into.
If he's a cunt but woOooOOO he can see into the 16th dimension hurr durr it doesn't fucking matter if he's still a cunt about it.
>>47528347
Well a landlord is still an asshole even if he's the guy letting you live there.
Fucker probably thinks thought crime is abominable, fucking shitter.
>>47528957
>>47528895
More people who get it, your move other Anons
>>47529113
I do not trust the intelectual integrity of a man who's entire diet was white bread and heavy cream while shutting himself in 90% of his life because he's piss scared.
The Dance of the Old Gods
In the cold infinity of the void, unfathomable eons beyond our mortal scale of time, a drumroll began, and a fanfare sounded. First came the deep, undulating mass of Azathoth, the blind idiot god, the ebb and flow of his endless power the very heartbeat of the universe, this noise, this beat, the underscore of creation itself. Accompanying it is the gentle trill of Yog-sothoth, a delicate harmony speaking of perfect mathematical alignment across the grand scale of the multiverse, the sound of endless spheres revolving across the cosmos. Joining the first two, the harmony between Hastur and Shub-nigguruth, the dark low notes of despair mixed in balance with the vigorous energy of life itself, speaking at once to the beauty of birth and all the joy of life, and the fatal certainty of death, someone enhancing, rather than diminishing, one another. And in the center of the stage Nyarthalotep, soul of the old gods, at the same time composer and listener to this grand orchestra, dancing along, in some pattern of pure chaos, since strange eons before time has he danced to the music of the cosmos, and he will show all life the beauty of it.
just something I had an idea for after reading this thread
>>47529135
Lovecraft spent a large amount of his time exploring the areas he lived in, including New York City.
>>47526733
>hawwo
>my name is Saya, do you wanna be my fwend?
I'm calling it, this is Yog-Sothothery General. We need a place to congregate.
>>47529277
sure why not, on that topic if anyone here has played Tremulus, is it any good? I've read the rulebook but I keep going back and forth on whether or not I like it or not
>>47529326
I've known of it but never played it. So eh.
>>47529326
Have the book, never played it. Looks okay?
Any reason we don't have a CoC General here?
At least I didn't see one
Finally, A Lovecraft General.
>>47529576
Eldritch semen demons anyone?
>>47529654
Huh, cancer this fast?
>>47528707
So, clearly the Flying Spaghetti Monster is an aspect of Azathoth.
>>47529839
His... Unquechable hunger? His love of pirates?
>>47529326
The rules are bad. The creator essentially wanted to make a Powered by the Apocalypse game but without full control or understanding of how those games can be made good. Tremulus is all over the place.
But the fluff can be good. The city generation tool is pretty solid and the playbooks give a taste of what a certain person ought to be good at/own/act like. But the rules don't support it well.
>>47529881
His evidence that correlation does not equal causation?
Shit just happens.
>>47529188
You should really read The Gods of Pegana by Lord Dunsany.
Is the Yellow King Mythos canon in the Yog-Sothothery?
>>47527935
Every Lovecraftfag (including me) knows that Derleth is not canon.
>>47530226
Canon is a very loose thing here.
I mean heck, the very idea of imposing a canon, like with the CoC RPG system and universe, is radically heretical.
Lovecraft used and swiped from other writers, many things changed, other writers did the same with his ideas. I mean, technically I could link just about anything to the Cthulhu mythos via mutual crossovers.
>>47530226
Some of it. Lovecraft spoke highly of Chamber's writings and referenced Hastur as a sinister name in his own writings. Some of the wider stuff around Hastur (like Derleth saying he's a wind spirit) are ehhhhhh.
>>47530343
Yeah, you've got to pick and choose. Having Hastur as a wind spirit is just a hop skip and jump away from shota Hastur.
>>47529938
>Dat image
Google gave me squat, plos gib sauce
>>47530456
It's from the redone Fieldguide to Cthulhu Monsters.
http://www.chaosium.com/s-petersens-field-guide-to-lovecraftian-horrors-pdf/
This new version features art from one of the European versions of the game, which have always have good artwork.
>>47528033
>>47529277
>>47530226
Pardon my newfagness, but when you say Yog-Sothothery are you refering to the "Cthulhu Mythos" asa whole or does it have a different meaning here?
>>47530784
Isn't it the name Lovecraft gave his mythos? Cthulhu really wasn't the focus back then, it only became known as the Cthulhu mythos in recent times.
>>47530859
I know that an Anthology book is called that way, but you're right, calling it Cthulhu Mythos is the popular or more common name
>>47530784
Thus because Cthulhu has zero importance we call it the Yog-Sothothery/Yog-Sothoth Mythos/Yog-Sothoth Cycle is the name for hardcore nerds like us who used Lovecraft's original name for it
>>47530784
>>47530859
>>47530897
"Yog-Sothothery" is the term Lovecraft used to refer to his collected and inter-referential writings, the world and mythology he was building through his tales. He called it that because Yog-Sothoth was a far more active and prevalent part of the stories compared to Cthulhu, who appears in one and is referred to much less frequently.
>>47530859
I thought that somewhere it was said that he kept changing the name since, for the most part, he considered them as just standalone stories with the same themes.
>>47527673
>No mask?...No mask!?
Top tier twist
>>47526733
What are those things?
>>47532792
They are musicians which play to Azathoth to keep him slumbering I believe.
>>47532811
Huh, what happens if Azazy wakes?
>>47532856
The dream ends.
>>47532856
Reality fucks itself
>>47532856
Happy fun times.
>>47532867
>>47532869
>>47532872
So everyone dies, Christ that's bleak.
>>47532893
Leaves one wondering why anyone would summon him to earth, just so he can blob out
>>47532893
Nyarlathotep doesn't, he wakes up as Azazoth
>>47532921
Aw, niggah no. Nyarlathotep with the powers of Azazoth.
Now that's genuinely terrifying to think about.
>>47532984
>>47532921
He could probably destroy earth already if he wanted, but he really likes to have fun with humanity, we will probably just all live in a neverending nightmare version of reality, so its not that bad
>>47529188
>>47530343
>>47530376
>>47527709
>not three, but six times they mention his name
You... you... double Hastur!
>>47532921
>>47532984
>>47533005
Isn't Nyarlathotep already an aspect of Azathoth?
>>47533018
He's Azazoth's dream self, if Azazoth wakes he becomes whole once more.
The entire multiverse would be fucked.
Lovecraft general actually happened, holy fuck.
>>47532856
Reality is the dream of Azathoth. When he wakes, by definition the dream ends and we all stop existing.
The Cthulhu Mythos is basically St. Elsewhere.
>>47526680
How do you know Nyar isn't the good guy? You can't really understand him so as far as anyone knows he could be saving humanity just in ways humans can't understand.
Like how a wild animal thrashes at it's savior and needs to be put down. Maybe if you were to try and understand his viewpoint better you would know? Just research him a bit anon. I"m sure there is a hidden heart of gold in it!
>>47532984
I'm fairly sure Nyar already pretty much has all the powers of Azathoth. I've always read it as he has all of his powers due to being the messager of the outer gods and the servant of Azathoth but he can't use it or at least minimizes it due to the danger that He'll wake up.
Not like he needs to either given what he is.
I read Narly as the 'Conscious' Ego of Azathoth the Dreaming. He's the 'lucid part' that keeps things running and entertaining.
As Azathoth is The Dreamer, he's technically the source of all (or at least most) thought in the Lovecraftian universe. However, there are certain beings like Yog-Sothoth (and possibly Hastur) who may be true outsiders, intruders to the dream.
The difficulty in dealing with Narly is that as the manipulator/guidance of the Dream he's capable of some impressive reality manipulation, down to knowing thoughts or taking on the visage of players in The Dream.
However as
>>47533489
points out, he himself runs the danger of causing Azathoth to wake up hence why he doesn't just run around stealing masksand overtly tossing around magic excepting certain circumstances are met (it's dream logic, the greatest danger is that Azathoth becomes aware of the dream in such a way as to wake, such event is likely to absorb and end Narly's reign of independence.)
Of course the knowledge of this relation is itself existentially dangerous as the more widespread it becomes the closer Azathoth comes to waking (he's technically everybody, remember?)
>>47532893
Nobody dies.
Far stranger things happen; processes right to the left of death.
>>47533050
Nice fanfiction.
>>47526680
The only "evil" character in the Lovcraft Mythos is Azahoth and he isn't so much evil as existence is dependent on him staying asleep.
Cthulu is arguably the biggest prick though because, he knows this and chooses nihilism anyway.
While the other old gods and elder races are horrifying to human existence, we are ultimately insignificant on any perceivable scale in the cosmos.
The reason C'thulu doesn't have any friends and why the rest of the pantheon hate him is because he literally wants to end everything for everyone forever.
>>47533818
It goes like this:
Nyarlathotep:The Ego- the subject- the lead
Yog-Sothoth: The dream-the canvas-the play
Azahoth: The dreamer-the artist- the playwrite
When the dream ends Azahoth is all that's left.
>>47526808
Nyarlathotep is a cunt. He is the herald of Azathoth and the soul of all the Outer Gods, and is basically the Mercury of Lovecraft's insane pantheon.
Unlike all the other Gods, Nyarlathotep is actually self-aware as a human would understand it, and is aware of suffering, pain, and the existence of man itself. Whereas Yog-Sothoth and all his lesser aspects do not realize if they snuff out human life, any more than how you are unaware of how you are constantly killing microbes by just existing thanks to your immune response, Nyarlathotep knows. He knows all the agony he causes and he RELISHES it, wanting nothing more than to bath in the agony of life. His favorite pastime is trolling unsuspecting humans and torturing them, mentally or physically, and it is he who will destroy all of mankind and the entire solar system.
Despite being more or less all-powerful as an aspect of Azathoth, Nyarlathotep has an undescribable hatred for mankind, and singles us out of all the rest of life in the multi-verse as his toys to break. He's just the definition of a dick, because not only is he aware that the actions he commits are evil, but that he could also be benevolent to the little amoebas running around his feet. He goes beyond giving a fuck, he goes out of his way to step on your family and laugh at your response.
>>47534814
This guy gets it. Well done anon, you can't get any more evil than that.
>>47534746
>>47533818
No, Yog-Sothoth is actually the most powerful God in all of Lovecraft's work, anything that puts him below Azathoth is mostly a revision by fans or fan-authors adding to the Mythos. Not only was the Cthulhu Mythos originally supposed to be called 'Yog-Sothothery', but Yog-Sothoth is omnipresent and exists outside of existence. While Azathoth's dream is in fact reality, all of it (the Lovecraft universe is infinite in both dimensions, alternate dimensions, and mirror universes, etc), Yog-Sothoth is somehow beyond -that- and is best compared to the Catholic interpretation of YHWH as an unknowable, unthinkable, infinitely existing all powerful God who comprises everything. You are Yog-Sothoth. I am Yog-Sothoth. We are all Yog-Sothoth, for everything is part of Yog-Sothoth. Yog-Sothoth is existence itself, and beyond that. For Yog-Sothoth is the Keeper of the Gate and the Gate itself, and the Gate is reality.
Azathoth is the dreamer, reality is his dream. Yog-Sothoth is something from outside that dream that has completely permeated it.
>>47526699
>>47526699
> there is no objective evil, good and evil are human constructs
No shit. Nyarlathotep is evil according to that subjective construct though. Why is there always somebody like you that has to make that point? How old are you? What fucking relevance does what you just said have on anything? That's like somebody asking you the time and you pointing out that time is relative. It's inane shit, don't ever say it again you boring boring boy.
>>47534858
Nyarlathotep is evil even by his own perception. He knows what he does causes suffering, he understands what suffering is, he doesn't care however and does it anyway out of spite. Ironically, the Outer God with the burning hatred of mankind is the most human of all the Gods.
And at the last from inner Egypt came
The strange dark One to whom the fellahs bowed;
Silent and lean and cryptically proud,
And wrapped in fabrics red as sunset flame.
Throngs pressed around, frantic for his commands,
But leaving, could not tell what they had heard;
While through the nations spread the awestruck word
That wild beasts followed him and licked his hands.
Soon from the sea a noxious birth began;
Forgotten lands with weedy spires of gold;
The ground was cleft, and mad auroras rolled
Down on the quaking citadels of man.
Then, crushing what he chanced to mould in play,
The idiot Chaos blew Earth’s dust away.
- Fungi from Yuggoth XXI: Nyarlathotep
Nyarlathotep, not even once.
>>47534855
Right, he is the dream. Which is all of existence (every possible aspect including the realms beyond), which was created by Azahoth.
Yog is everything and part of everyone because he is the essence, Azahoth predates him because the essence came from him.
>>47534944
No. Yog-Sothoth specifically existed before Azathoth, as according to Lovecraft he has no Pedigree. Yog-Sothoth predates existence itself and exists outside it, yet is it. He is both the guardian of the gate and IS the gate. The Gate is existence.
>>47534960
>The Gate is existence.
And all of existence is the Dream. You're arguing in circles.
>>47534987
That's the point anon. Yog-Sothoth is both the gate and its guardian. He is it and is outside of it. There is nothing higher on the pantheon of the mythos than Yog-Sothoth, for he exists beyond the dream and is the dream. More than any of the other Gods, Yoggy is incomprehensible in scope.
>A gate had been unlocked; not indeed the Ultimate Gate, but one >leading from earth and time to that extension of earth which is outside >time, and from which in turn the Ultimate Gate leads fearsomely and >perilously to the Last Void which is outside all earths, all universes, and >all matter.
>The archetypes, throbbed the waves, are the people of the ultimate >abyss; formless, ineffable, and guessed at only by rare dreamers on the >low-dimensioned worlds. Chief among such was this informing BEING >itself . . . which indeed was Carter’s own archetype. The glutless zeal of >Carter and all his forbears for forbidden cosmic secrets was a natural >result of derivation from the SUPREME ARCHETYPE. On every world all >great wizards, all great thinkers, all great artists, are facets of IT."
>>47535035
>"Has Yog-Sothoth a pedigree? No, he has always existed."
>>47534987
Well, with the subject as it is, I would guess circles is the best shape the argument can devolve into.
>>47535065
Circles was all there ever was.
>>47526680
It's not. Evil at least means something benefits from your suffering. It is horror without reason.
>>47535065
And Yog-sothoth is pictured as being made up of multiple circles or spheres...
>>47535109
Not a Morbius Strip, Klein bottle, or a Boy's surface?
>>47535116
Those spheres and circles aren't just there for appearances. It's because Yog-Sothoth is existence and not-existence. Those bubbling things on its "flesh" are in fact universes and dimensions he assumes form from. It's no wonder why Carter when completely insane after encountering Yog-Sothoth and receiving knowledge from the God; he stared into true infinity and peered into its infinite amount of knowledge. The fact that his brain didn't immediately turn to goop from trying to process that much data is impressive as hell.
Those noticed by Yog-Sothoth are lucky enough to make me jealous. Sure you go utterly fucking insane, but just imagine the experience of, even just for a second, literally all of existence, infinity itself and even beyond that infinity, staring at you. Noticing you, single pathetic speck of dust, a unfathomably small piece of the infinite existence, its attention torn just for a moment from all that is to purely -notice- you. To not only behold you, but to state with the act of imparting knowledge "I, infinity itself, cares".
>>47535266
Just to hammer this home.
>The main body of the beings inhabits strangely organized abysses wholly beyond the utmost reach of any human imagination. The space-time globule which we recognize as the totality of all cosmic entity is only an atom in the genuine infinity which is theirs.
So when Yog-Sothoth notices a mortal man and imparts knowledge to him, it's like you noticing the existence of a Higgs-Boson particle.
>>47534855
Going by Lovecraft's "genology of the Eldar Gods" (which admittably is not a serious text, being a family tree that starts with the Outer Gods and ends with Lovecraft himself, is as far as I know the only source of Lovecraft's own description of relations between Mythos entities), Azatoth was the first. Nyarlathotep is one step below Azatoth, which makes sense considering he's literally the embodiment of Azatoth's mind/soul. Yog-Sothot and Shub-Niggurath are two steps below Azatoth, apparently descending from something called "nameless mist" and "darkness", respectively (I'd theorise that these were the raw stuff of Azatoth's dream, which later gained sapience or coalesced into the other Outer Gods). Interestingly, Yog-Sothot's and Shub-Niggurath's interaction resulted in spawning of at least some of the lesser Outer Gods, and from them came the Great Old Ones.
Yog-Sothot is in some sources described of as more powerful than Azatoth, though, at least in practice. He exists in every point in space and time, making him omniscient and nearly omnipotent, and unlike Azatoth he actually can actively use his powers. He'd still end when Azatoth wakes up, in as much as a being that exists everywhere and every time at once can end (for a being like Yog-Sothot, the end of existence would just be one place and time and space among others, and he'd still continue to simultaneously exist in every point of time and space in the past).
>>47535409
>So when Yog-Sothoth notices a mortal man and imparts knowledge to him, it's like you noticing the existence of a Higgs-Boson particle.
To be fair, we do seem to think that's an endeavor worth a great deal of man-hours and money.
>>47526699
Of all the Lovecraft monsters, Nyarlathotep best fits the common idea of evil, since unlike the other monsters in Lovecraft's work Nyarlathotep is an actively malicious agent, not an unconscious force like the rest.
>>47535409
Ok now imagine having sex with it
>>47533818
Yo that's the moon lord from Terraria!
>>47530566
anyone got a pdf of this?
>>47529810
I am surprised it got this far before sinking into Chaosium and Derleth assfuckery
By any chance do any of you know some good lovecraftian music?
>>47536160
shoggoth on the roof
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0URLGsf1e0&list=PLR58Yo3somJCKgn6kgUDT_iIcXRbzu8MH
>>47535575
I'm pretty sure that was Shub-nigguruth
>>47536160
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tTHn2tHhcI
>>47526680
heh, OP probably thinks Hastur is evil.
>>47529929
I've been meaning to try and improve the rules of this game for some time now. Main things on the agenda:
>make the investigations moves more interesting than 'roll to find more information until you solve it'
>make the lore moves actually make sense
>give each playbook more interesting options
>>47536403
Nah, the Dunwich Horror is a spanw of Yog-Sothot, as mentioned in the story. However, I think the implicationw as that old man Whateley was the one who actually did the sex part, using some ritual to imbue the resulting child with Yog-Sothot's power (would explain why the Horror had his face, and would probably make more sense than the embodiment of all of space and time having sex with some creepy albino chick).
>people arguing whether Azathoth or Yog-Sothoth is more powerful or relevant
For fuck's sake neither can exist without the other.
Azathoth is what does the creating, Yog-Sothoth is what is created, and Nyarlathotep is the meaning within creation.
If Azathoth stopped dreaming, every single one of Yog-Sothoth's bubbles would pop.
>>47535266
So Yog is a living Total Perspective Vortex of Total Perspective Vortexes?
>>47535426
Granted when do observe it, it vanishes, which is kind of similar to anyone who earns the complete and undivided attention of Yog Sothoth.
>>47530897
Why is Cthulhu the most well known one, anyway?
>>47536515
Call of Cthulhu.
No, really. The book's name is catchy.
>>47536515
i think most people find lovecraft via the rpg
>>47533005
>Real world
>No weekends, no vacations
>>47536515
>>47536534
and then dereleth went and upgraded him from 'really big alien dragon squid' to the elemental aspect of water, putting him on the same level as Hastur, Yog-sothoth, and Azathoth
>>47533006
why is Haty always considered bad?
>>47536515
Metallica wrote a song about him, that probably helps
>>47536478
Yes.
Also the Ultimate Senpai. If he notices you, everything and everyone does.
>>47536515
His story is the most "mainstream" horror of love crafts works, his other books are just kinda weird and lack solid plots.
>>47536569
Derleth fucked up the entire mythos. If he wasn't so instrumental in spreading Lovecrafts work, he'd be completely worthless.
>>47536515
Clark Ashton Smith is probably the best of them and the one that I enjoy the most but his writing is pretty dense and hard to get into. Otherwise I think he would have ended up the most famous in the end.
>>47536647
Oh whoops, misread that. For a sec I thought you were talking about the mythos authors.
>>47526799
yes
he is
all objects capable of understanding morality are subject to moral judgements
>>47536608
It's a shame you dissolve into quantum foam within about five seconds of him noticing you them.
>>47534484
Cthulhu isn't a god, he's the high priest of the outer gods.
>>47536662
It cuts the three boring seasons of awkward relationship building, I'd say it's for the best.
>>47536160
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ptP0OR-e7rI
>>47536634
As far as I'm concerned, Derleth's books never happened. He's the textbook definition of a fucking hack, the 20th century equivalent of Stephanie Meyer.
>>47536458
>make the lore moves actually make sense
the rituals or whatever they're called already seem like a pretty good example of what to do with lore points, try and add more options to that maybe
>investigation moves
could always take the ToC route and remove dice rolling as an element of information gathering, I've run ToC and I think it works pretty well
>>47536494
Since this is pretty much Lovecraft general it seems like a good place to ask: I'm a lovecraft fan but my players aren't really interested in a mystery solving game, what other sorts of games can you do while still keeping lovecraftian elements?
>>47537796
Any game that can involve cults.
>>47537796
bloodborne? i reckon you could make a really interesting setting by taking standard fantasy and replacing all the magic with lovecraftian stuff, unknowable cosmic horrors instead of gods and demons, lesser servitor thingies instead of the usual fantasy "it's a dog but it's on fire" or "it's a horse but it's made of ice", sorcery as incomprehensible alien "science", etc.
>>47526680
Nyarlothotep is not evil, it simply IS. And it is the Crawling Chaos.
>>47526925
>awaken my masters!
>>47538241
Not the case.
If Nyarlathotep's master awoke, he wouldn't be Nyarlathotep any more.
>>47526680
Nyarlathotep is a being of such cosmic scale that what he does has no literal significance, thus, because in the scope of things they are trivial, his actions are neither good nor evil.
>>47529233
Yes, ye, I do.
>>47529839
Isn't everything an aspect of Azathoth?
Because all of really is shuddering echoes of his deluded dreams
>>47538508
In a sense yes, but in reality the universe is such a collection of his dreams broken and smashed together and he, himself, is so primal and constantly changing that everything both simultaneously is and isn't as, in effect, everything comes from him yet at the same time never resembles him.
>>47538293
Always feels special when people repost my shit...
>>47526680
He isn't, he's amoral.
We could see him as evil, but he just doesn't care (and why should he?)
>Thread about Lovecraftian horrors
>9 replies before animu posting
I expected it to be among top 5. Well done anons, I'm proud of you for lasting this long
>>47536662
>It's a shame you dissolve into quantum foam within about five seconds of him noticing you them.
Of all the ways to exit existence, "dissolving into a quantum foam" sounds like it could be pretty enjoyable.
Listen- Ol' Nyarlthotep ain't evil at all. You guys have this all wrong. I'd love to tell you why he's such a good guy but it would take longer than I have right now and I know you all would have a bunch of questions. But actually if you like I hold a seminar every other week- here take this pamphlet with some info and dates and the location- where you can hear all about it. If it interests you, we even hold weekly group events where you can learn the most in-depth secrets. So, will we be seeing you next week, friend?
>>47534905
So basically he is Donald Trump.
>>47526680
From my point of view Nyarlathotep is a jobber.
>>47540402
>Doll shorter than Hunter
ONE JOB!
>>47538274
>Your next line is "I was only pretending to be elder god".
>>47540553
I was only pretending to be elder god! Huh?!
>>47526925
That's the Black Pharaoh?
>>47541182
Well, an interpretation.
He has appeared in many different guises over the years.
>>47541328
>Picture of Nyarlathotep
>actually God of the bloody tongue
That's just another of his avatars/forms, and its not even described!
>>47541392
Nyarlathotep doesn't really have a "true form" as far as I understand. Which would make sense when you consider he's Azatoth's soul/representative of Azatoth in his dream. He's effectively some part of Azatoth's conciousness having a lucid dream who developed an independent personality.
>>47541392
Yeah, they even mention his other forms there. I was really just posting it because it's neat art.
>>47541449
I know, I'm not disputing that, but if you are going to have a picture of the Howler in the Dark, at least put a note in saying that is what it is rather leaving it to the assumption of the reader.
Could you then say that narly just does ahit even against cults of the outer gods for fun and to spread chaos? I wanna add him as a second in command of a drug cartel subtly spreading mythos drugs into their stock that he eventually betrays for "REASONS!"
>we are ultimately insignificant on any perceivable scale in the cosmos.
The only Lovecraftian deity that has had any particular interest in "helping" humanity in any fathomable way is Nodens. Everyone else ranges from the blandly indifferent to the indifferently hostile, to actively hostile.
Nyarlathotep is (but one of) Lovecraft's manifestation of the fear of the unknown. Technological discoveries were in full bloom during Lovecraft's time, and we often see Nyarlathotep pushing these frightfully unknown engines of terrible malady on an unsuspecting public.
>>47541599
He's essentially here to uplift us, technologically.
We're just primitive beings, so we've always interpreted it with hostile intent.
>>47526699
>good and evil are mortal concepts
>therefore mortals can't call what they deem evil "evil"
I'm so sick of hearing this stupid shit.
>>47526892
And here's her extended family, all Nyarly from different franchises.
>>47534858
Dunno. You don't consider things that are below human to be subject to human standards. Like, you don't usually call a man-eating lion "evil", because you don't usually judge him as you would a person. He is a menace, and that's about all you can say.
On the other hand, if your dog is angry at you because you deny it a treat, but you happen to have a reason for doing so that your dog couldn't conceive - do you think your dog's judgement of you is that important? Maybe from a practical standpoint, but of moral consequence?
When a human tries to judge a superhuman intelligence, or something altogether different like mindless Azatoth, it's always a pointless endeavor.
Calling it "evil" doesn't really do anything for you because aliens don't do "evil" for the reasons evil humans do it.
So let me get this straight
Existence takes place within the circular bubbles of yog-sothot, who exists within and without the universe
And the reality of this existence is just Azatoth's dream, waking it up from said dream would end it, destroying reality?
Was there ever anything about frogs?
>>47541148
>>47540553
YOU WERE EXPECTING A NORMAL MORTAL, BUT IT WAS ME, NYARLATHOTEP!
>>47540402
>possibly died to a weaksauce expy of Nyarly
Please good Hunter.
>>47541572
Seems in character
>>47535416
No, that text specifically states that "Yog-Sothoth does not have a pedigree". This means it has no source. Yog-Sothoth has always existed.
>>47536623
>his other books are just kinda weird
More like fucking insane I'd-totally-say-it-was-inspired-by-opium-if-Lovecraft-didn't-avoid-drugs
>no one posted best girl
A DOG
A CHILD OF SHUB-NIGGURATH GOT OWNED BY A FUCKING DOG.
>>47543468
Dream Quest of Kadath
>My first reaction after reading
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pa_hIvM7AiY
>>47543542
who here would play a campaign set in the dream world from this book? I probably would
>>47530376
>Implying there is anything wrong with shota Hastur.
>>47543504
and still no one has
>>47543542
I would definitely
>>47543504
>>47543631
It feels that Nya's intellect went into her breasts,and besides doesn't Nyarlathotep only have thick or BWW females as his masks.
>>47543504
>best girl
Notgrillycheese/10, would not lose sanity trying to cuddle.
>>47543575
Dreamlands is the best way to play CoC. The penalties of the system back off significantly and the fun just flows into its place.
>>47541647
I think Nyarl's version of "uplift" is handing a grenade to a toddler. Sure, you could blame the toddler for knowing shit about military grade explosives but that would make you a fucking retard.
Having fancy tech does not lead to a better existence on it's own. Machines are powerful and therefore dangerous and there is a very good reason we approach new advancements with caution. We always need to keep an eye on how our technical power grows because with each new advancement comes new opportunities for terror that can easily slip past our attention.
Of course part of the fear is of ourselves. We know the pull of shiny new toys is strong. If a thing exists, no matter how dangerous, it will be used. Not everyone will want to use it, but enough will and there is no guarantee that they will use it safely or even sanely.
Of course Old Gods don't give a shit about sane use of tech. Nyarl knows humanity enough to know that that we don't have the background to use his "gifts" in any way we would consider beneficial. It's very likely what he is doing is what we could rationally interpret as "uplifting with hostile intent."
Nyarlathotep the spirit of unchecked creation without reason or restraint. He distributes the kind of power that doesn't give mankind more control over it's destiny but only warps to fit the twisted frame of the power itself.
>>47536623
Charles Ward is very coherent.
>>47536647
>>47536652
That's okay anonyou have good taste ;)
>>47529206
And he fucking hated it
>Horror at Red Hook
>The one with Indian ghosts
>>47543575
Of course, part of the fun of the Dreamlands is if someone doesn't know of its source, you could pass it off as generic fantasy, then ratchet up the horror.
>>47543518
Assuming you're referring to Wilber, it was Yog-Sothoth. And he was the one who took after his mother anyway, and was just terribly mutated.
>>47534855
Shit, is that the truth of the allegory of Tao they refer to in Whisperer in the Darkness?
>>47537796
Dream Quest of Unknown Kadath
>>47541328
>I WHIP MY HAIR BACK AND FORTH
>>47544572
He also created Yhoundeh
>>47529654
One of Nyarlathotep's harem of hot horrors
>>47544745
Also he wrote a story where a thief hides behind the statue of a god, and is only discovers because he farts.And even that takes a while. They thought it was their god talking to them, and then one of them remembers their god has the title "The Silent"
>>47544808
So he's the /b/ of Yog-Sothothery
>One of Nyarlathotep's harem of hot horrors
>It's all just Masks of Nyarlathotep
>It's all just hyperdimensional masturbation
>The Crawling Chaos is a giant neckbeard who fucks with humans to feel smart
>Earth is the Black King's 4chan
>>47544954
That's a maddening thought.
Who UVoD here?
>>47535625
Seconding this request. Would love forever the anon who grants it
>>47544332
Wasn't she albino?
>>47528328
Lovecraft is my favorite racist, I've recently started going through all his stories and it's just so blatant it swings right past offensive and straight into funny.
>>47545828
Anon whoever made that obviously had no idea what they were drawing and just made cute garbage.
>>47526834
Nyaruko is love
>>47546136
I prefer Nyarue
>>47541449
>Nyarlathotep is Azatoth's edgelord OC character in the setting he dreams about
>>47526699
Evil and good are not mortal concepts, they're moral classifications of the actions and intentions of sentient beings. Nyarlathotep is crearly evil by all definitions and playing devil's advocate for fun is not trendy anymore please stop.
>>47528707
>that shoggoth playing the flute
>mfw
>>47530566
>Fieldguide to Cthulhu Monsters
>>47535625
>>47545773
Literally 10 seconds of research
https://howsickcanyouget.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/5105-field-guide-to-cthulhu-monsters-65.pdf
>>47535625
>>47545773
Third this
>>47546907
>>47546907
>>47535625
>>47545773
also the Field Guide to Lovecraftian Horrors
https://www.sendspace.com/file/0ntyb0
>>47542555
Anyone recognize the different Nyarlathoteps? I only know the SMT and persona ones at the top left, the one from Demonbane in the bottom right, and the guy with the eyepatch from Shikkoki no Sharnoth.
>>47546957
>>47546907
Shit, copy-paste error. Still, those pics are from the new version, you linked the Old One (which, admittedly, is still Great)
>>47526680
>>47526733
>>47528707
>>47546793
>doot-doots eternally
>>47546907
>>47535625
>>47545773
>>47546957
Well that's peculiar
I found another link but 4chins thinks it's spam, regardless of retarded formatting
>>47546986
can't find new version in pdf for now, will post if I do
I prefer the style of the old ones though
>>47546963
THIS IS IT. I WILL LOVE YOU FOREVER
>>47546966
Chikage Narukami (D.Y.N. Freaks) in the middle left.
M (Shikkoku no Sharnoth) far lower right.
And Kamen Rider Decade in the far bottom left for some reason.
>>47547141
you're welcome
>>47528779
Where is that stated?I read through all of his works, and I never made that connection.
So what you're saying is that Nyarly is actually Azzy's dream-self
So cultists trying to summon Nyarly (or heroes trying to stop it) and keeping it entertained are actually postponing the dream's end
>>47527342
>Earthworm Jim
>>47547522
Yup, pretty weird, eh?
>>47547040
Mr. Shoggoth, doot-doot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59ZX5qdIEB0
>This is what keeps Azazoth from waking
>>47547404
He's an aspect of Azazoth, pretty much Azazoth's mouth and hands.
>>47547832
I thought he was just a pre-cursor. A messenger. A prophet.
>>47547746
that actually makes sense in its own way
I never got really involved in Lovecraft and the Cthulhu mythos so what I know is mostly from hearsay, but as a philosophy enthusiast, these are concepts I enjoy toying with
By the way, since this seems the place for it, where would you advise to start if I decide to get into it (reading-wise)
>>47547793
>mfw
he does have some 1337 flute skills tho
>>47547871
http://www.hplovecraft.com/writings/texts/
http://www.eldritchdark.com/
>>47547591
NY HAR RUT
The chaos he does crawl.
NY HAR RUT
Man's empires soon will fall.
Nyar was just a formless
chaotic little spawn-thing
But his praises we sing
Or us he will devour.
NY HAR RUT
He never tells a lie.
NY HAR RUT
He makes you wanna die.
Unveiling the true universe,
burning out your mind
Nyarlathotep's here to make
everybody blind!
Look out!
Despite his many faces,
all one thousand one,
Nyarlhathotep's master
could make everything be gone.
If Azathoth wakes up the survivors will be none.
So hope he never finds his 'larm clock or he never sees the sun! (Ftaghn!)
NY HAR RUT
His favourite food is slime!
NY HAR RUT
I can't think of a rhyme!
NY HAR
NY HAR
NY HAR
NY HAR RUT
HO-TEEEEEEEEP
(Groovy!)
>>47547866
Nope, he does have a degree of autonomy from Azazy however. Think of him like Jesus if he was Eldritch Satan
>>47547908
Thanks for the links but I was rather talking about specific books/novels
>>47547971
Start reading what looks interesting.
>>47547971
That's pretty much the recommended reading list.
>>47547871
Here's a few standard selections.
The Dunwich Horror
The Rats in the Walls
At the Mountains of Madness
The Shadow Over Innsmouth
The Shadow Out of Time
The Colour Out of Space
>>47547980
>>47547999
>>47548008
Thanks a lot !
