Heya! It's me, Viconia!
Does that mean I can romance Imoen now?
FLEXIBLE
>>47524158
Y'er a queer fellow.
>>47524158
>>47524186
proceed...
>>47524158
>Wanting Irenicus sloppy second
CHARNAME is no cuck.
>>47524185
Shut up, you insisted on trying that belt on without identifying it!
>>47524261
If you're going to whine, do it somewhere else.
>>47524192
It's not cuckoldry if you a) murder the other guy first b) fuck him too.
I remember romancing her with a reputation that was through the roof and having to game the mechanics to keep her from bailing because I was just too GOODAnd then I messed up the alignment change bit in ToB
>>47524186
Yessss
>>47525029
The Slayer form really is a godsend for keeping Viconia happy
>>47524261
Yeah, that was the point I got tired of her whining. God this was an boring romance.
>>47525120
>Yeah, that was the point I got tired of her whining.
That's line her first line, though.
>>47524141
>Heya! It's me, Viconia!
Fuck you.
>>47525701
Exactly.
>>47524287
>>47524192
Now I wonder if Irenicus raped Female CHARNAME too.
>Have I ever told you about how I survived when I first fled to the surface?
:
>It was difficult, if you can imagine. I knew only a few words of common, and as I traveled I carefully avoided any contact with the surfacers. The land was strange, and each day I huddled under the terrible open sky, sure that I would be pulled into the vastness of it if I but closed my eyes for an instant. Lolth had abandoned me, and I was alone in a strange world. Those rivvil who saw me hounded me with abandon, and I fled to the forests. There I was hunted by the darthiir...surface elves...and their honed hatred drove me further. I was sure I would perish, never to see the Underdark again.
>A group of goln -you call them goblins- tried to seal my fate, but a human merchant came in his caravan, and his guards scattered them. From a distance he had thought me a surface elf. Surprisingly, when he learned I was Drow he offered shelter. It was a sanctuary while I learned the human tongue. He was Calimshite, I believe. They are fond of slaves. The price for my safety was the favors I bestowed...erotic arts that the Drow have honed for an eon. Does it amuse you that I had to run my dark hands along his sweaty folds and tickle him artfully with my tongue; that he exerted himself wildly as I passionately bit his shoulder?
>>47525851
Eh, she tells later that it was a lie.
>>47524186
Wait, can you straight up rape someone in this game? I really need to give it another try then. How many people do you get the option of raping?
>>47526376
It's from the Romance Imoen mod. Remember, she is your sister.
>>47525851
Even if it was true drows aren't that big on chastity and virginity thing so eh, comes with the perks I guess
God Viconia is so useless. Nice STR and CON stats, you slut.
>>47524141
Fucking cunt. I let the Flaming Fist kills her in BG and then I refuse to help her when the mob will burn her alive in BG2.
Fucking Drow. Now you are trully charcoal, you cunt!
Aye Servah da flamin' fist
>>47526383
Oh, sister? So I get a incest bonus as well? But it's a mod, so fuck that. I thought it was going to be some delicious author condoned rape.
>>47526694
The mod is garbage anyway. A buddy and I were playing through multiplayer and he insisted I install it because it "gives her more banter dialogue" or some shit.
Was just horribly written and intrusive as fuck. Half the time we rested my paladin would end up having erotic dreams about his sister when I just wanted my fucking HP back.
>>47526878
Well duh, of course it garbage. You show me a erotic mod that does story well, and I'll give you a life times supply of blowjobs.
>>47526926I wasn't told it was erotic by my friend before I installed it
>>47526951
Oh! Oh... That's. That's pretty fucking skeevy. Especially since most people DONT like incest. You called him out on it, right?
>>47527122
>most people DONT like incest
Wait, what? Hold the press!
>>47525851
/tv/ has ruined that for me now.
Whenever I hear a sentence starting with "have I ever/did I ever tell you about" I mentally add in "and X was a good friend" after
>>47526694
>>47527122
>>47527149
While it may not matter to some, it's not technically incest, biologically speaking.
You're on related in terms of divinity, since Bhaal took different forms on.
>>47527337
Oi, I like incest, but springing that shit on someone who's fetishes you don't know should be punishable by dick punches.
And even if you do know, not agreeing on sexual stuff ahead of time is still dick punch worthy.
>>47527337
>that image
>>47524141
Die drow.
Noremorse.jpg
>>47528502
You may be an absolute bro, Keldorn, but goddamn you don't half know how to cockblock
>>47524141
>>47531443
Man, I want this now
>>47527337
>While it may not matter to some
To some, it matters a lot! Some moralfag modders made their mods incompatible with the Imoen romance mod to satisfy their moralfaggotry.
>>47527122
>most people DONT like incest
Why would anyone care about that unless it was your own real life actual sister?
>>47526878
And yet it's still better than the Saerilith mod.
>>47534265
Mention not the unholy text
>>47524141
Hi! I'm Noober!
>>47524186
>>47536318
heya!
>>47526878
That only happens 3 times but yeah it's not fucking wor.... ah shit my friend wants to play multiplayer with me do I have to uninstall the mods to play with him or what?
Can I just copy my folder then redownload the game then when we're not playing together copy the backed up folder across to continue with my mods?
>>47526527
you're just angry that you didn't do her romance right. Sucks not to be glorious Halv-Elven Maserrace and have all the options with the females!
>>47524141
Ended her romance just today in may re-play-through. But worth it. Come at me Throne of Baal!
>>47534265
What is this Mod? I've seen people say it's awful but I don't know the story.
>>47524141
>Sarevok swapped Viconia and Imoen's brains
What happens next
>>47526465
>Not making her wear Belt of Giant Strength or some other strength increasing item
Pathetic.
>>47537015
Take what I say with a grain of salt,, it's been a LONG time since I played it.
But basically, the mod adds a lot of new content, and despite my hostility, one piece of it is really quite good: You have an option to turn to the Church of Tyr for help getting into Spellhold, in case you want to wash your hands of both the thieves guild and the vampires.
But part of doing so is you get saddled with their newest exemplar, a 15 year old girl who is the queen of all mary sues. It's not just that she's a great warrior and morally perfect, there's reams and reams of turgid prose to describe every damn thing she ever does, down to mundane actions like her shaking her head and her hair moving.
She will get very grabby with just about any male character, and shoehorn you into a ridiculous romance. And it is ridiculous. Remember that drow lady you have the chance to sleep with when you're in the underdark? If you that to Saerilith, even if you're not officially an item and still in the early flirting stage, she will DIE of heartbreak. But oh yeah, she's a mega-paladin.
The whole thing is unbelievably retarded.
>>47538495
Is that the one who will only pursue a romance if you have more than 16 Charisma, and there's a quest in place to make sure you don't use the ring of human influence to up it?
Truly, a romance for the ages
>>47538654
DESU, I don't remember. The one time I played with it, I was using a Paladin (And I was again sucked in by the "you can get help from the church of Tyr" as I didn't want my exemplar of righteousness consorting with thieves), so I actually had a CHA of 19 naturally since i transferred him over from BG1.
>>47538753
IIRC, she doesn't give you the time of day if you're below 16.
It's amazing how shameless the Self insertion and wish fulfillment are
>>47538873
>>47538873
>>47538886
>Baldur's Gate: White Knight Simulation Edition
>>47538898
No it's okay, the 18th option gives you the chance of double-pounding that tight Mary Sue puss.
>>47524192
What? Is this not another mod?
>>47538873
>>47538886
I hope I'm not the only one, but I really dislike it when there are dialogue options that include (*does an action*) before the spoken part.
That, and even though I despise the wannabe-playboy, do we REALLY need two pages' worth of options to shove him off?
>>47538873
>>47538654
That's laughably shallow.
This Saerilith thing is legit, not some sort of purposefully overdone joke?
>>47539166
What really gets me is that most of the options are variations on 'threaten him with violence'. What's the point of having so many options if they're all the same thing?
>>47539200
Well you need the variety so you can decided precisely HOW to threaten him with violence and/or mock him in order to defend your lady's honor.
Plus one line where you suggest running an Eiffel tower on her instead.
>>47539226
Of note, some of the options don't even make sense depending on your character class, like a Wizard Slayer suddenly having a prepared spell ready to unleash on Salvanas(option 9).
>>47539262
Love finds a way
>>47539187
>This Saerilith thing is legit, not some sort of purposefully overdone joke?
Nope, it's legit.
>>47539187
Much like My Immortal, If it is a joke, it falls into Poe's law territory
There is literally nothing wrong with Saerilith. Someone just wanted to make a waifu for BG. Where are we, Reddit, Something Awful, RPG Codex? Shameful attitude to have lads.
>>47539378
It's still cringy as heck, anon.
>>47539378
It's a self insert, not a waifu.
>>47539409
What site are you from? Come on lad, there's far worse out there.
>>47539423
>Some girl somewhere wants he pussy to be ravaged by Bhaalspawn
Can you blame them?
>>47539423
>Not being your own waifu
>>47539438
The only BG one I can think of is Chloe.
Maybe the Drow PC one too.
>>47539423
Be honest anon.
If you were to meet a girl that was so hardcore nerdy that she wrote and programmed a major BG2 Mod and she was interested in you, you'd ruin your trousers.
Even if it was shit, that's some nerdcore dedication.
>>47539500
Depends on the girl, anon. Just because she can code hard doesn't mean she's kind, or interesting, or attractive.
I've don't a no-damage boss run in Dark Souls 2 before, don't see women lining up to suck my estus flask.
So aren't they bringing out a new expansion pack or something for the special edition of BG? Like it bridges winning the first game to you getting captured and multiple original PC's getting raped and murdered in the sequel?
Not really very hyped, especially if the new party member NPC's in the special edition are indicative of modern writing quality.
>>47539892
They did.
Even ignoring their less than subtle political shoehorning, It was shit.
>So then i kicked him in the head till he was dead, hahahaha
>>47538495
Best yet, the author throw a fit when people criticized his mod and his WIFE had to step in to cover for him
>>47539483
>The only BG one I can think of is Chloe.
Oh Chloe. Another fucking giant Mary Sue.
>>47539905
What were the worst parts about it?
>>47538886
I like how option 17 is just sort of inconspicously hovering there.
>>47539973
Just being incredibly dull and bugged up the ass.
I can't remember a single thing about it apart from glitches and them throwing a colossal bitchfit over getting negative reviews on Steam, to the point where they started begging for upvotes
They also decided to ruin an NPC's character (granted, only a minor BG1 party member, but it was such an incredible 180 that it needs mentioning)
>>47539973
SoD is fine, nothing too memorable, but honestly it feels like a better developed ToB.
Ending fight is totally horseshit though and there are some cringe-worth questline from old character (Mostly Jaheira)
Anyone expiring captchas problems?
>>47540034
>Just being incredibly dull and bugged up the ass.
>Buggest
Just like every RPG of this kind?
>I can't remember a single thing about it apart from glitches and them throwing a colossal bitchfit over getting negative reviews on Steam, to the point where they started begging for upvotes
Well, most of the reviews were given by KiA raiding Steam.
>>47540034
Which party member? Did they fuck over my sadsack bro Xan?
Talking of bad 'official writing' and ruining NPC party members was any of it as bad as the asstarded BG1 Novelization?
>>47540053
>Anyone expiring captchas problems?
I've been experiencing that for days now, takes ages to load them in
>>47524141
Huh? Whassat? Vicodin? Never touch the stuff, it's addictive.
>>47540068
Well, any bugs retroactively apply to BG:EE, since they are the same game. So, yes, complaining about that is justified.
It isn't the worst thing I've played, but I don't see much replay value in it. There's a lot of tedious fights. And making skeleton archers kite you is beyond tedious. See, they resist arrows and you can't fucking get them to stand still to melee. I like the climatic big fights but as more of a dungeon finale.
By the way, the funniest bug I saw was that Khalid got hit by a something offscreen, so when I went to talk to him, there was just a bouncing piece of gib with "khalid" above it. Jaheira got killed by trolls. I was scouting and as soon as I scouted the trolls they beelined for some NPCs which included Jaheira and massacred them.
I'm not commenting on the writing, but its bad. Thing is, ToB is fucking awful too. And I just skip it all anyway.
>>47540127
You forgot your pic.
>>47540071
Jaheira and Khalid are the ones that got fucked.
If you want to get spoiled:
1) Khalid and Jaheira leave CHARNAME to take a vacation in the north. They later justify that it's for "harper business", but it feels very out of characters, since most people agreed they took their guardians role very seriously.
2) There is a questline about an anniversary gift that it looks like written by a 10 years old.
Viconia may appears a bit too soft, but she always been an hard character to write, so I don't blame. Still cunty at least.
The writing itself felt very "modern", a lot of sarcastic response, but honestly, BG2 has never THAT serious, and certainly not on par with Planescape.
>>47540157
>Well, any bugs retroactively apply to BG:EE, since they are the same game. So, yes, complaining about that is justified.
Uh? What do you mean? SoD is pretty much a new game, entirely made almost using new assets (Well, of course the engine is the same, but you get what I am saying)
Old RPG like BG2 and Torment, etc are always been buggy by nature on release. People masturbate on Vampire constantly and that game fanpatch has reached version 700. Arcanum still barely runs.
>There's a lot of tedious fights. And making skeleton archers kite you is beyond tedious. See, they resist arrows and you can't fucking get them to stand still to melee. I like the climatic big fights but as more of a dungeon finale.
I thought the encounter design was pretty good. They mixed in a lot of stuff to make things not too repetitive, and the areas are not too big so they didn't have to fill them with trash. My only problem is that a level 9 CHARNAME shouldn't be a able to tackle so many stuff.
>>47540224
>Uh? What do you mean? SoD is pretty much a new game, entirely made almost using new assets (Well, of course the engine is the same, but you get what I am saying)
No, it runs from inside BG:EE. So any engine bugs also apply to BG:EE.
I'm currently playing an MP campaign of the BG series. My friends and I foolishly started it in EE because we assumed that it would be better suited for online multiplayer.
I think the encounters get better. Some dungeons are really good. Anything with undead is horrid, but there's also a few really good ones. The green dragon fight is great.
>>47539892
I will just stick with the first two games via TuTu. I don't see any good reason to get the rerelease at all.
>>47536318
Anyone else have Imoen randomly throw a rock at him and kill him or only me?
>>47540261
>I think the encounters get better. Some dungeons are really good. Anything with undead is horrid, but there's also a few really good ones. The green dragon fight is great.
>Not using a cleric
You are like our friend Keldron here, asking to get cucked.
>>47540157
Actually, speaking of khalid, I just remembered that in this same playthrough he had gotten chunked by the Tanari boss. So he was brought back from permadeath only for that to happen to him again.
>>47524141
>>47539912
I love how Cam Clarke has made a living off of only being able to do one voice.
>>47540388
>>47540071
Safana and Jaheira. The lead writer said they found their portrayals misogynistic so changed them.
>>47540514
>The lead writer said they found their portrayals misogynistic so changed them
Hmm...
What exactly was so misogynistic in this case of Jaheira?
>>47540536
They somehow think that jaheira fills the nagging wife stereotype.
>>47540575
Not >>47540536, but...really? I'd have thought that Jaheira would have appealed to the stereotypical feminist.
>>47540469
>Talifag tears after this reveal
I don't like any of the ME romances and have no particular dislike of Tali, but damn were they delicious.I lied. I'm actually a Garrusfag. Mega homo for that bro.
>>47540617
Nothing appeals to them, anon
>>47540731
Yeah, who knows what goes on in the mind of a crazy person.
>>47540678
Oh, you thought THAT was bad?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9HM3-5rWYo
>>47540827
Truly cringe worthy. How did the absolute worst character manage to get shoehorned into all three games?
>>47541095
>absolute worst character
That's not Miranda and/or Kai Leng
>>47541095
That's not Liara.
>>47541138
Good gods, Kai Leng. Who the hell thought that idiot was a good idea?
>>47541272
Whatever geniuses thought the writing of ME3 in its entirety was satisfactory to begin with.
>>47541596
I wonder if that guy is still mad.
>>47539973
Everything about Safana and Jaheira.
It seems the SJW writer thought that Jaheria was too much of a naggy bitch so she wrote her in the expansion even more like like nagging bitch.
And you remember Safana being this sultry seductress-style thief? She is a complete cunt now because being a cunt is what SJWs think is how you are empowering.
>>47541729
>>47540469
Please spoiler this shit
>>47541794
I only bought a copy AFTER I heard about the GGers throwing a shitfit about trannies and Minsc making fun of them.
Really my vidya buying calculus comes down to how bad it'll piss off the anti-SJWs these days.
>>47541946
here's your (you).
Spend it wisely.
>>47541995
>literally trigger'd
Oh, trust me, I will.
>>47540514
Safana still pretty much the same, though.
Not like the original any depth to begin with.
>>47542039
Didn't you know, anon?
BG was a paragon of right wing values and it's a cultural travesty that they've forced it into a liberal morality play!
>>47541900
Daily reminder
>>47542039
All the BG 1 NPCs are very light on characterization. You can read into them what you want to. This is generally a good thing, unless you're an unstable radical.
>>47542039
>>47542178
Safana was in BG2 as well though.
It's only for a bit, but what she does end up doing makes no sense with the new material taken into account.
>>47542223
Eh, is it that of a problem?
Viconia story too is highly inconsistent with the one in BG1, timeline wise.
Several characters you can kill can return with no explanation.
Imoen goes from behind a characters literally made from scratches to the second most important character in your party.
Safana has like, two lines in BG2?
>>47540469
to be honest to thing that I hate the most (except that it exist and is the fruit of staggering 5 minutes photoshop) is that she has long hair. A person that has a spacesuit on her for 99% of her life is not going to have long loose fucking hair
>>47542158
I don't get how anyone can be mad about ME3, it was obvious as fuck Bioware had no idea what the fuck they were doing with the Reaper plot after ME2.
>>47524141
should I pick up BG 2 again? Managed to play the entire first game and thought 2 looked much better but started to fall asleep when playing it.
Feels like "baldurs gate 1/2 is the best CRPGs ever!" is a bit of a meme
>>47542640
>be a handsome elven sorcerer
>go to the drow city
>plow the matron's daughter
>exchange real dragon eggs with fake ones
>matron and daughter die to a demon lord
A job well done.
>>47542697
You either like it or you don't. I would recommend it because it is my favorite game. The amount of replay variety is staggering.
>>47542596
>Eh, is it that much of a problem?
Maybe not in the grand scheme of things, but it is highly indicative of one the accusations leveled at them.
BG1 NPCs were essentially replacements for when you got someone killed, and it wasn't until BG2 that they actually gave more of a shit about them than a bit of flavour and maybe a quest.
They don't have that excuse. They already had it clearly written out for them what Safana was at core, and they ignored it. It may be a few lines, but it's not as if she used them to comment on the weather; selling out your husband, and potentially some of her friends, to a gang of wolfweres for the bounty of Chaarname's head is a pretty big indicator of what she's like.
However, that's not the real problem.
The real problem is that they had plenty of people they could have used that don't have ongoing BG2 stories to conflict with, and were a lot more interesting as people.
Shar-teel, for example, would have been a great person to use, as she had gaping character flaws that you could explore, and a direct connection with the ending of BG1 (Angelo, the corrupt asshole who dicks you over, is her father and pretty much responsible for her being a raging cunt).
The fact that they used one of the only people who DID have a definite contradiction in BG2 indicates pretty heavily that they didn't actually care.
>>47541946
Wow you sound really upset about people who dislike SJWs
>>47542763
I should rephrase that part at the end.
It's not as if they couldn't use her, but the way they portrayed her character is not the sort of person that sells people out to psychotic monsters.
It would be like Faldorn deciding to take up hunting, or Shar-Teel working as a stripper, or Tiax being a kindly psychologist.
They could have done so much more, and it really doesn't help that the press releases make it sound like the writers were just fans of the character.
>>47542735
Dammit, the Underdark was so good.
>TFW if the game was released today it would be sold separately as a day one DLC.
>>47543021
Whats beneath the Underdark? TheBelowshadow?
>>47543187
Worse.
Australia.
>>47543187
Whatever you do, don't go to Scarytown.
>>47543021
on the flipside, there would be mod for full nudity, catgirls and futadrow two weeks after the release
>>47543218
only if it was made by our lord and savior Todd "see that x?" Howard
>>47543021
Pretty much every area outside of Ahtkala would be DLC nowadays.
I mean, Trademeet, Umar Hill, Firkaag, etc.All DLC:
>>47543426
>Saemon Havarian
MOTHERFUCKER!
>>47539378
>There is literally nothing wrong with Saerilith.
This bait is even lazier than the HURR DURR MUH ANTI-SJWS-Stuff.
>>47544099
That doesn't mean disagreement where I come from
>>47544267
Well it says so in the picture, so that's a compelling argument.
Can you present a better one?
>>47541729
I like how the three endings break in timing when you get to the shot of the galaxy, and then returning in (relative) sync to Joker and the Normandy.
>>47543426
>>47543633
I still find great satisfaction when I give him a chunking before he teleports out. Even though I know that he'd survive for his next obligatory "BLAME CHARNAME" gig.
>>47547038
The sense of disappointment I felt while going through that sequence was palpable. It had ontological weight. My apartment shifted and walls shuddered as my sinking heart became a singularity of sorrow and tried to pull everything inside it in order to stop the hollow feeling.
What I'm saying is, fuck Bioware.
>>47542763
The Harper part where they killed off fuck..oh god this just goes to show how bit part they were. The wizard/thief combo who the harpers sent you to kill.
It did serve as a good example on how the harpers were just using you before trying to kill you.
>>47542619
>I don't get how anyone can be mad about ME3, it was obvious as fuck Bioware had no idea what the fuck they were doing with the Reaper plot after ME2.
Some dude has written a book-length series of blog posts on why the ending to ME3 sucks:
>http://www.shamusyoung.com/twentysidedtale/?p=32094
It's seriously like 100,000 words all up, and this after doing a full LP of it on youtube just to talk about how much he hates it. He cares more about the ending to a mediocre video game series than I care about anything in my life.
>>47553133
>He cares more about the ending to a mediocre video game series than I care about anything in my life.
If he were on Faerun, the strength of that belief would make him the chosen of at least one of the gods.
>>47553133
Shamus may have a bit of trouble when it comes to characters, but he can root out and shred plot holes like no other
>>47553133
Shamus is a hero and a real human bean
>>47525100
>tfw you forget to do Slayer right before finishing the Mind Flayer and that freeing the slaves was a rep bonus over the rep bonus of killing the elder brain
>she leaves
>last save is before the fight
At that point I basically just threw everyone's summons and unloaded a wand of cloudkill in that room and decided to hope every would die without the incredibly hard fight.
>>47540327
>Keldorn is Lawful Good
>somehow punishing his wife for adultery is treated as a bad thing
Are they forgetting the LAWFUL part of his alignment?
>>47541729
>that .webm
Why is Joker turning to look back while he's piloting Normandy? It's not like he can see through the ship's hull.
>>47540678
>>Talifag tears after this reveal
Wasn't even a Talifag and I hated it. It just seemed so horribly lazy.
>>47555016
It's the classic paladin's paradox. Is law or good more important when they become mutually exclusive? I think that's where they get their powers from, even.
>>47526926
Late reply, but A Dance With Rogues?
>>47555277
I rather like those articles on alignments, although I'm in no way a dedicated alignment analyst so feel free to disregard my opinion.
http://easydamus.com/lawfulgood.html
According to this one, a lawful good character will not harm people unless there is a direct need for that, like self-defense. So while him punishing his wife for adultery is lawful, it's not particularly good.
On the other hand, it comes down to a personal definition of "good". Say, a person who believes adultery leads to degradation of society will punish a cheating wife/husband with no remorse, and it will not break their alignment.
>>47555333
First part is good for a fan-module, especially for playing as a rogue (original NWN campaign is mostly geared towards tanky builds). Second part is significantly worse.
>>47555343
Something leading to degradation of society or not is a lawful concern.
Alignment good and evil are about compassion on a personal level.
>>47555277
Punishment is both lawful and good.
Emotions, such as love or compassion or mercy, have nothing to do with justice.
>>47555354
If I believe an action leads to a disaster, is it not my duty as a lawful citizen to prevent such action? Especially when the law supports me in my beliefs.
>>47555359
Justice is about law.
>>47555367
Sure, but you have to accept that you may be moving towards a lawful neutral alignment.
>>47555372
Justice is justice.
>>47555367
No, you don't get it. Anything that considers "society" as the center of its end point goal is already purely lawful almost by definition.
>>47555381
A d&d character that focuses only on justice and forsakes other virtues, and possibly reason itself as well, would likely be LN or maybe even TN. Or more colloquially, "lawful stupid".
>>47555382
I'm not asking whether it's lawful for me as a law-abiding citizen to pursue the punishment of criminals, but whether it's good.
>>47555372
>lawful neutral
Oh, right. Those guys are all about "dura lex sed lex", aren't they.
>>47555400
>Waah, I don't like actual justice being meted out, that's not good at all!
This is you, cuckold enabler.
>>47555402
>I'm not asking whether it's lawful for me as a law-abiding citizen to pursue the punishment of criminals, but whether it's good.
When I say it's purely lawful I mean that in the alignment sense of lawfulness. It has nothing to do with good or evil, and may possibly be neglecting such concerns.
>>47555404
I think it's funny that an entire infinite plane in Planescape fell from Arcadia to Mechanus because of pretty much exactly this mentality.
>Not playing a female and romancing the best guy
>>47555530
Can you continue the romance if he fails to become a knight?
>>47555530
>Sir Ano
>best guy
>>47538873
That lp was godly.
>>47556034
What LP?
>>47538886
>option 15
>>47556043
That image is from a lets play that was done on the SA forums. Check lparchive for it, a really fun read.
>>47538886
Wow, that's super sad.
What happens if you pick option 17?
>>47556176
You get a Saerilith sandwich.
>>47555563
Yes.
>>47555354
>Alignment good and evil are about compassion on a personal level.
>laughingoutsiders.png
>>47555530
But thats not how solaufeyn looks??
>played PS:Tormeme a few years back for the first time
>enjoyed it
>tried Baldur's Gate
>nearly snored, so boring
>couldn't even bother to finish the first chapter
Why?
>>47556505
Try NWN2. The MotB module in particular is pretty great.
>>47556593
>>47556505
Definitely not the original campaign if you hate unimaginative fantasy.
>>47553949
Is there a God of Disappointment there?
>>47556176
She dumps you and leaves the party.
I'm not joking.
>>47556722
Mask of the Betrayer is definitely better, I half recommend the main story because MotB does follow on its heels. It isn't strictly speaking necessary to play NWN2's main story first, but I know how some people are about completion.
>>47556868
Not even the best Sera reaction. If you choose to become a god at the end of the game she dies of heartbreak.
She literally dies, the game mechanic kicks in and she dies right there before the game ends.
It's absolutely hilarious.
>>47557001
And doesn't she kill herself if you sleep with that drow lady?
>>47557137
Yeah, she'll kill herself over that. The god thing, though, she doesn't kill herself. She literally just dies of a broken heart. Falls over and dies because you became a god and won't be her mortal husbando.
It's beautiful.
>>47556505
BG1 has a very slow start, especially if you don't know what you're doing or fall into the trap of chasing the main plot too early.
BG2 is much better in this regard
>>47557784
BG2 has a shitty start, where you are literally told to grind for an entire chapter.
>>47558001
Except you don't "grind" it, you just do whatever the fuck you want, all quests bring you cash. You can rush very quickly it or you can take your time. It's a sandbox with a soft conclusion, which was very well done.
>>47558038
It's wasted space. The time could have been used better to set up the villain, the cowled wizard, Bodhi, shadoe thieves and all that.
>>47558085
Except it was very enjoyable and fleshed out the world. Without all that content the game wouldn't give that wonderful feeling of exploration, discovery, and most of all adventure that it did when you first played it.
It's a good example of sandbox content being used sparingly but effectively.
>>47558001
You get a fuckton of gold from Firkragg's corpse, there's a large amount of quests, you can establish a stronghold, and find plenty of magic items to sell in Athkatla alone. It's not difficult or even time-consuming to do so.
It's not like the game is saying "Now go bring me 1000 bandit scalps".
>>47558085
Did you miss the whole underdark, the elven city, spellhold, the dreams and all that?
Chapter 2 is long as much you want it to be.
>>47558202
That all takes place AFTER you fork over the money.
>>47558162
This, Chapter 2 is about Athkatla and the surrounding lands.
>>47558172
>from Firkragg's corpse
Were you supposed to have taken Firkragg out by chapter 2? Christ.
>>47558371
>That all takes place AFTER you fork over the money.
10k are literally pocket change, jesus christ.
>>47558085
Chapter 2 is about the setting, and where you find your footing and get to know what party you plan on using.
You start exploring Irenicus, Bodhi and your divine heritage once you trigger the next part of the quest.
The beauty is that you can do all that whenever you like, barring the one or two missions you'll need to get the cash.
IIRC, the Umbar Hills, Cult of the Eyeless, Planar sphere and Firkraag questlines can easily net you enough money by themselves.
I've always felt like I've been playing the Baldur's Gate games incorrectly, Icewind Dale included.
I could never figure out if you're simply supposed to save/load until you either luck your way through an encounter or figure out something significant, or whether you're supposed to stock up on a billion health potions and kite your way through the game. Neither seemed correct.
>>47558462
Save/Load only for annoying segments with irritating save or dies, otherwise take it on the chin.
>>47558462
BG2 is a lot about planning, for example mindflayers become total pushover with the right set of debuffs.
>>47558527
>debuffs
>not just summoning a bunch of skeletons or something
>>47558417
Firkragg can be rekt by certain builds at low level....but you still have to get by his dungeon filled with vampires and golems. I can't imagine full clearing the place at low level, and my autism forbids partially doing it.
>>47558727
Safest way is to just give one guy chaotic commands, buff the shit out of him, and have him block a chokepoint while being covered by archers. Maybe give him protection from magical weapons for safety.
A paladin with Carsomyr will rip them to shreds, and they're generally safe if the buffs wear off since their saving throws are absolutely godly.
>>47558462
The simple answer is; you can play them however you want. I've beaten BG1 without ever loading, the item placement is actually set up to play without doing so, there's convenient items everywhere. I haven't beaten 2 like that, because its filled with so many save/die events that are just insanely tedious to remember exactly when to prep and to actually prep.
Kiting is definitely recommended in BG 1 until you hit level 3, though. At that point you can get a reasonably tanky character or NPC such as Khalid.
You shouldn't take all that much damage except against certain foes if you actually use shields on your fighters. Against some foes; yes, you can chug pots, but you shouldn't need to most of the time.
>>47558843
The main trap in BG1 is its far less linear, and has no level adjustment, meaning you're much more likely to get straight up raped by something you've no hope in hell of taking in a straight fight if you wander off the beaten path. Like that fucking Doomsayer.
BG2 rarely throws things you outright can't deal with, but as you said there's more chance you'll get caught with your pants down. Like when those vampires show up out of nowhere in Firkraag's dungeon, just itching to annoy or even kill anyone who hasn't got restore/plane protection prepared
>>47559060
The biggest trap in BG 1 is filling out your party with 6 people and then going right for the main quest. Your 6 level 1/2s will be pincushioned by kobold commandos faster than you can reach for the quickload button.
>>47559141
Don't remind me.
>mfw I somehow managed to finish the mine with level 1/2s, then ran headfirst into the slimes and bounty hunters
>>47558808
and skeleton trash is immune anyway, not that they exactly need it since you can just summon more meatshields if they die
>>47559141
>going too far north and meeting Ankhegs
>going too far east and meeting werewolves
>going too far west and meeting basilisks
>not going far south and going to the main quest early
>doing everything right, but using the likes of Xzar, Montaron, Eldoth and that other useless tit of a bard as party members
That game sure knew how to fuck newbies in the ass
>>47560801
>Not taking any damn five people, heading to where Drizzt was, forcing them to surround him and then ordering them all out of the party, and shooting the drow to death for a +4 chainmail, two awesome magic swords, and enough XP to get you to level 5 or 6 right off the bat.
It's like you want to lose.
>>47526383
Just checked out the mod again after its hilarity over so many years.
Its actually...finished with TOB shit? and apparently redone? the bg forums is saying its the best shit since sliced bread.
>>47555333
The first part definitely. It's also notable that it lets you skip all the erotic content if you don't want it except one rather short rape-for-drama scene in the prologue.
The second part really goes too far into hack & slash theory for my tastes and i really didn't like the later parts (basically after the drow city).
Still one of my favorite RPG campaigns though.
I had more than one "just a bit more oh fuck is that dawn?" moments playing it.
>>47556593
The official NWN2 campaigns are all pretty mediocre. Not as bad as the NWN ones, but that's not saying much though i did like SoZ (except the ending).
I generally treated them as a demo for the toolset. There's a ton of really creative and well-made fan modules for both games that eclipse the official campaigns of both games.
>>47562271
Pretty much. Having everything together in one game is a very tight experience. Sure you don't get the Enhanced Edition content, but most of that is crap anyways.
>>47562345
NWN 1's campaign is still better than 2's because it doesn't run on the atrocious NWN 2 engine, which is the clunkiest, most unpleasant RPG engine I've ever played. This includes B level shit.
>>47560801
>doing everything right, but using the likes of Xzar, Montaron, Eldoth and that other useless tit of a bard as party members
This is a common misconception. Xzar is quite good. He has good enough primary stats to fulfill his job as a mage, and has a nice STR score to mule with. Montaron is a good ranged fighter and fighter/thief. It takes a long time for fighter/thieves to shine in BG 1, though.
Bards all suck, though, yes.
Heya! It's me, Viconia!
>>47562519
It's a real pity that so many of the BG1 NPCs utterly suck.
Only Ceryn is shit in BG2, and even he has his uses due to 18 wis.
>>47526951
Did they somehow not either?
Why are people so turned off at the thought of their female companions having sex lives?
Like, even the Drow has to sound like her only "confirmed" act was actually a lie.
>>47564532
Have you ever been to /pol/? They seriously believe that women shouldn't have any sexual experience before meeting and marrying them, redpilled knights in shining armor.
>>47562486
What does engine have to do with plot?
>>47524141
What would you like to see in Baldurs Gate 3?
Here's my wish list
>D&D 5ed core rules + all the extras
>Unreal 4 or CryEngine tier visuals
>Howard Shore tier soundtrack
>Voice actors who actually give a shit, like in days of yore
>GRRM banter tier writing, Tolkien tier worldbuilding
And a bit about the plot
>Different beginnings dependent on choice of race,class and background
>multiple endings based on shifts in alignment, good, neutral, and evil
>post-endgame shit with crazy plane stuff and god tier wizardry and solvable moon puzzles
and some more about game mechanics
>procedurally generated world, scaling with party level, except for certain locations like cities, druid dens etc.
>randomized magical items
And lots and lots of small stories and sidequests that you wil never read and do.
>>47566271
>scaling with party level
Dropped. Level scaling is not fun.
>>47566271
A slutty-ass drow female party member (good or evil) who is desperate to be impregnated by the male PC for whatever cheap reason the game can come up with.This would make it fairly true to the setting the BG games take place in.
>>47566305
>Fighting the same level 1 goblin everytime
you traverse the woods
>>47566660
Levels are not fun in general.
I'd rather the difficulty differ depending on the monster type. Say, a naked bandit is easy to defeat, a bandit with some primitive armor is harder and a deserter with decent military equipment is even harder.
But since I have to choose between level scaling and no level scaling, I'd rather choose no level scaling. There is no reason for this one goblin to get stronger as I do, considering I'm traversing the land, picking up new moves, learning new techniques, getting better equipment, and this goblin just sits on a stump 24/7 and picks his claws.
Another way would be to make random monsters non-respawnable or respawnable for a limited number of times during a certain period/chapter/arc of the story. It makes sense to run into two-three-five wolves in the wood, but not fifty.
>>47524277
>>47525120
>these anons don't know Aerie's glorious "fuck you, Irenicus" line
>these anons will never help her give birth on a bloody battlefield right after she's annihilated everything in sight with her arcane, divine powers
>these anons probably fucked Auntie Jaheira
>>47526383
>>47526694
>>47527743
She's only your sister in the sense that you both share the same divine parent. IIRC, Gorion raised you with you knowing that you were an orphan/foster child, and Imoen comes along later on, and is more like the merchant's ward (i.e. Gorion doesn't raise her).
So basically, incest by divine blood but not actually raised as brother/sister.
>>47524141
Hmmm sorry, that name doesn't ring any bells.
>>47538886
>Choice 18
kek, I haven't seen that screencap in ages
>>47566763
Why can't goblins train and become better, smarter etc.?
Why would the villain not realize he needs to send better shit at you if he is ever gonna stop you from stopping him?
Why does it have to be a goblin every time?
It's stale, it lowers replayability, and there is no challenge in this.
>>47567102
>Why can't goblins train and become better, smarter etc.?
Because it's the same goblin in the same place with the same sprite and equipment.
>Why would the villain not realize he needs to send better shit at you if he is ever gonna stop you from stopping him?
>Why does it have to be a goblin every time?
That's not level scaling, at least not in my understanding. Sending better trained and equipped solders at you is perfectly fine, scaling random wolves/goblins/angry bees in the forest isn't.
I just reinstalled my baldur's gate games and tutu you ass.
>>47566271
The main character in Baldur's Gate finished with his quest, and Bioware has also been long finished as far as I'm concerned. The closest thing we have now is probably Pillars of Eternity, but it's a little too grindy and full of tedious bullshit for my tastes
>>47566271
>Tolkien tier worldbuilding
Uhh. You know that the Forgotten Realms have already been pretty well-established, yes?
>multiple endings based on
No, fuck that. Just give consequences for actions, not endings based on alignments. Fallout was able to do this shit in the '90s, why did we have to revert to a shittier way of doing things as games got more better?
>post-endgame shit with crazy plane stuff and god tier wizardry
So... Planescape?
>procedurally generated world
No. Most developers are either too lazy or too incompetent to do decent procedurally-generated content. Unless you want like, a demoscene group making your generator?
>scaling with party level
Fuck off.
>>47567128
>not scaling
maintaining a difficulty then, but through variation
>>47567202
PoE was a train-wreck
>>47567285
I know Gygax planted his flag in pulp-land and after receiving the banhammer from tolkien on hobbits actually had to try and come up with his own ideas. Whether or not there is a pre-existing world is not important, but how that world is written into the game.
>shifts in alignment
>consequences in action
were these two somehow mutually exclusive to you? All fallout did was give you a series of good/bad "endings" stringed together.This is much more different then having the game take widely different directions.
>too lazy
this is sadly true
>scaling
see top
>>47567546
>Gygax
Also not FR.
Gygax has nothing to do with FR, aka Ed Greenwood's magical realm.
Also, AD&D 2e is a requirement.
>>47540469
>>47540388
Are there seriously faggots out there who have a problem with this?
>>47556505
Like many things that are the first step into a much larger world....it ain't actually that great now, except as a historical artifact.
>>47566858
For that matter since you can play as a full-blooded elf, dwarf, gnome, or halfling, while Imoen is a full-blooded human no matter what, and each other Bhaalspawn is a full-blooded member of their race, I think that means that you're not *really* related to any of your supposed brothers and sisters, at least not in a genetic sense.
Pic unrelated.
>>47568253
I wish.
>>47542640
>I have no interested
0/10
>>47561903
This is the best Drizzt story ever written.
>>47567202
Bioware got eaten by EA (which is, like, 60% responsible for Mass Effect and Dragon Age turning to shit), so they are effectively dead.
And as for Chargen, as far as I know, Forgotten Realms canon has moved up like a hundred years or something, and I think specifically mentions Bhaal like ate the Bhaalspawn to come back to life. Not much of an ending, but, that's how the actual Realms crap tends to roll.
>>47568313
You're related in the sense your mom either offered herself up or was raped by the same polymorphed murder god, for whatever that counts for
>>47567202
>The closest thing we have now is probably Pillars of Eternity, but it's a little too grindy and full of tedious bullshit for my tastes
Ayup. It rustles my jimmies when people act like PoE is comparable to the great Infinity Engine games of the late 90s (or that Wasteland 2 is comparable to Fallout 1&2, for that matter).
Combat-wise, PoE is just a goddamn slog. It's not like BG 1&2, where the combat is difficult but you can race through it by tailoring your approach to the challenge and using clever strategies; the difficulty in PoE just comes from throwing a billion identical enemies at you and boring you to death. Everything is so carefully mechanically balanced that there's few good strategies other than kiting and blocking doorways with your tank. And as a result of that fights take FOREVER and are as bland as a big bowl of oatmeal with nothing on it. Only thing duller than the combat is the NPCS and the story.
Graphics are nice, tho.
>>47568631
Pretty much. It doesn't help that when it was still new they were patching it like a god damn MMO with balance fixes so frequently in case you figured out how to speed up your encounters
>>47568470
The Baldur's Gate novels aren't canon to the FR, but their main character, Abdel Adrian, is (although not anything more specific than his race, class, gender, and name - he's not the asshole from the novels since those are, again, not canon).
Basically what happened is that after Throne of Bhaal there were two surviving Bhaalspawn: Abdel and Viekang. Viekang is the one who would teleport randomly; you first encounter him in BGII and can in Throne of Bhaal help him escape Saradush (or whatever that city was called).
In the adventure Murder in Baldur's Gate, Abdel has become a Duke of Baludr's Gate and the head of the Flaming Fist. His life is unnaturally long for a human thanks to his divine blood, but he's mostly got a handle on being Bhaalspawn. Viekang...somewhat less so.
So one day (during Murder in Baldur's Gate) during a big ol' party in Baldur's Gate, Viekang shows up and fights Abdel because Evil Ghost Dad told Viekang to. It really doesn't matter whether Viekang wins or loses, since in either case Bhaal's prophecy comes true: There is only one remaining Bhaalspawn, who absorbs all the remaining essence of Bhaal into himself Highlander-style and explodes into The Slayer, which subsequently has to be put down.
Doesn't matter, though: Bhaal is reborn, all according to keikaku*, as outlined in the original Baldur's Gate. Took a bit longer then expected, but oh well. From there Murder in Baldur's Gate basically becomes Les Misierables, but in Baldur's Gate. And it's actually really fun, you should run/play the adventure if you get the chance. Bhaal wants one of three people to become his new Chosen, the three people basically boil down to Not-Inspector Javert, Not-Enjolras, and Not-The King of France. The adventure can have any one end up being the new Chosen and the players have to kill him/her. Canonically it isn't not-Javert, though, since he shows up in Rise of Tiamat.
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*Translator's note: "keikaku" means plan.
>>47568771
I....shit, that actually does sound really fun.
Reading through the old Time of Troubles stuff caused me to lose hope in cool things happening in the Realms.
