How do you think GW is going to respond to the inevitable increase in popularity in WHFB's old setting due to Warhammer Total War? Will they do anything at all?
Also, WH thread in general
>>47392642
Not at all.
>>47392642
Why would it increase? You know how few people are going to buy it? It's a real time strategy game when they have off-brain games like doom and overwatch to play,
Total war has always been niche, making it about wizards and shit just pushes it further into that hole.
>>47392642
They'll completely drop the ball and fail to capitalize on it.
>>47392642
Collect royalty checks happily and continue to support AoS as it is doing well enough to warrant it.
That Giant's face is pure gold tho.
>>47392682
It's pretty popular right now. Was the 4th most active twitch game category last night, only behind the unbeatable staples like League of Legends, DOTA, and CoD.
And yes that matters in today's world
>>47392765
>stupid little mans
>my feet hurt
>i wish i were back in my cave
>when i was a lad, we had REAL trolls, not whatever this is
>>47392816
Because a famous advertiser, Cohh Carnage, was streaming. When there's not an advertiser streaming, it's not even on the radar.
It's a niche franchise in a niche market.
>>47392642
they'll make more deals with valve and create more games for steam. they won't do anything with their table top game. if the WoW movie is successful we will definitely see a warhammer movie in our lifetime as well.
I don't see how anybody would prefer AoS' setting to the Old World. All the feeling and spirit is gone.
>>47392863
it was steam number 1 game for weeks
>>47392642
They'll probably roll around in all the royalty money.
Then sell more videogame rights.
>>47392642
They will see the enormous popularity of it and realize what a huge mistake they have made as droves and droves of new potential players will begin demanding whfb back.
They will scrap AoS and act like it never happened and contact the 9th age guys and pay them off to rerelease it as their own 9th edition.
They will repackage all the fantasy kits with square bases again and scrap their sigmarine molds.
Is that the answer you were looking for? Because I have a feeling that would be the only answer you would be willing to accept.
>>47392906
>it was steam number 1 game for weeks
Yes, promoting games is an aspect of marketing.
Your point?
>>47392820
>I wish I still had my Sky-Castle
>I bet I can't even fit my arm in these cannons
>>47392906
You forgot to address the contention that it has no presence on twitch unless a popular advertiser is showing it.
That matters in today's world.
Think of it this way, OP.
When has GW ever
EVER
gone back on a decision they made?
I know it hurts, and I love the WHFB setting very much. But it's dead, Jim. Move on, start something in your garage, hope that someday you can fill that void with your own creation. Take what you loved about Warhammer, and channel it elsewhere. You'll have better luck starting from the beginning than hoping that the abomination that GeeDubs has become would ever change.
It does not matter if Warhammer Total War sold like hotcakes. It will change nothing. Move on.
>>47392888
I honestly don't prefer one over the other. I was with the old world for so long and know how great it was, and I am sad to see it go. But this new setting is completely different, which I think has its own charm. I don't argue which setting is better, a song of ice and fire or lord of the rings, because I like them both for different reasons.
Old warhammer was low fantasy mixed with sword and sorcery.
AoS is high fantasy mixed with mytic fantasy.
Sure one can still prefer one over the other, but I find that rather short sighted and a narrow minded point of view.
>>47392910
Why would they do any of that? They barely had to spend anything to make all these games. Licensing their products will always reap greater returns than trying to print shitloads of plastic for a vanishingly small community.
Like, the most they might do is licence the models for people with 3d printers.
>>47392954
Total war fag here, this game is going to be very popular, but that has little to do with the fact that its warhammer themed. the total war crowd will play anything that gets put out, very very loyal fanbase.
this game + dawn of war franchise will only increase demand for more warhammer themed games, the table top hobby will remain largely unchanged in popularity. if you go to /vg/ and hit up the total war general thread, you will see how much people are excited for this game.
>>47392993
they re-released 6th edition dark elf armybook with buffs after druchii.net whined about it so much it makes Khorne blushthey also said they will never do it again
>>47393042
They wouldn't. That was the point of my post. I thought the last sentence would show the sarcasm. I just wrote what OP was hoping would happen, not what would actually happen.
>>47393027
They could have had both. Keep the Old World while Sigmar and an angelic-themed army alongside other deities battle Chaos, Ork Gods, the Great Maw, etc. in the heavens. Occasionally the battles overlap, and Sigmar's angels will come to stop major Daemonic incursions in the world.
>>47392993
I'll be staying with the WHFB setting forever. They can't erase the lore from my memory, and 9th Age is a thing.
>>47393114
You act as though GW hopes TW:WH will fail. They never denied the existence of old warhammer. They just chose not to continue with it and go with something else.
Sure, play 9th age. That's fine. They're not going to send corporate security to your house and demand why you're not playing AoS when you have GW models in your home.
>>47393087
nah man they have stores worldwide and the demand just isn't there. I was sad as fuck when whfb got axed, my dreams of one day owning a bretonian army came crashing down. but thats just how sales works. at least we still have 40k
>>47392954
steam top seller, as in more copies are being bought then anything else.
Get the idea?
>>47393162
>You act as though GW hopes TW:WH will fail.
I honestly think they do. At least the core leaderships, the shareholders certainly and developer staff don't.
But GW is a very spiteful and strange-behaving country. After 15 years of dealing with them I've learned their mindset, and they don't like profits if they aren't earned in a specific way. In this case, they want to prove Age of Sigmar and 40king fantasy was better and shoved it to those "whiny" man-children fans who they wish to replace with young children
>>47393087
Not without grognards like yourself complaining that the grimderp and grittiness of the setting is now gone because of the introduction of the stormcast eternal and the heavy involvement of the gods in everything.
Face it, you couldn't have this gritty grimdark setting mixed with the high and mythic fantasy, not in warhammer.
>>47393223
>I honestly think they do
Well I bid you good luck in future dealing with your mental retardation.
>>47392993
They have gone back on ideas before and done do-overs, especially now with the new CEO trying desperately to unfuck the company with a lot of little things like community involvement and bringing back specialist games, but they have never done something this big and I dont see them risking so much again to revert back entirely to fantasy as it was. If AoS really was a flop, we wouldnt see a resurgence of the old warhammer, just a complete abandonment of fantasy altogether.
>>47392642
They'll license out more games, books, and maybe even a show/movie if Warhammer becomes mainstream enough. If anything, I see this game, along with dawn of war, pushing the Warhammer franchise into a wider audience. I'm excited for every aspect of Warhammer except the tabletop. I've been into the fluff for years but was unable to get into the TT due to cost, lack of a player base in my town, etc. With Total War, I'll finally be able to play warhammer the way I wanted, and I still have no desire to buy any models.
>>47393357
>Games Workshop gets a good CEO AFTER warhammer was buried.
That's just mean.
>>47392765
>there must be more to life ...
>>47392993
That was a drawing I had comissioned by tg/ drawfriend Rotaken. Here is the final version....
http://rotaken.deviantart.com/
>>47393790
oops here is final
>>47393579
JUST
>>47393225
>Face it, you couldn't have this gritty grimdark setting mixed with the high and mythic fantasy, not in warhammer.
nah, it was always that way. You had Necromancers literally stealing souls while death gods weren't looking and the Elves are basically chummy with cosmic entities.
>>47393523
I think it would have been smarter for them to make WHFB into a Mordheim/Necromunda style skirmish game, if WHFB was really so stagnant.
Most normies would be glad to buy a single warband and play games with it, rather than the vast armies required for WHFB.
If they still needed to shake up the status quo, they could set the game in a scarred post-Chaos invasion world where small warbands of survivors are more common than standing armies.
>>47392642
>GW
>respond
HAH, they are so out of touch with reality their head is stuck in their own multimdimensional planar-ass.
>>47392906
It still is, actually.
>>47392993
Squats.
>>47398014
Nice bump samefag. Sure let's save this shit thread from near death and keep it going. Because the board as a whole is benefiting from the whining here.
>tfw want to buy
>Dunno if my computer can even run it decently
>>47393223
Lol, if TW:WH does well it will inspire people to buy fantasy/AoS models regardless of the fact that the setting supported by the tabletop game has changed. GW have no reason to hope the game does badly. Their decision to axe fantasy for AoS has already been vindicated - it's performing better than fantasy has for years.
I like how TW has become the great hope for some Fantasy players, like it's sudden existence is going to drive a mass number of video game players to pick up a game that at best plays the same as a game they already paid $60 for, if they even paid for it.
All based on vague evidence that Dawn of War supposedly did something similar for 40k over a decade ago.
The fact that GW is supporting LotR again has really got to be salt in the wound.
>>47392954
evidently you dont understand how steam works.
Number 1 game means top seller... as in people are buying it. Free advertising. Nothing to do with marketing campaigns at all.
>>47392642
Either they are going to see every whfb purchase as AoS merit or they are going to launch a Horus heresy like project
>>47392993
>But warhammer is dead, Jim. Move on
NEVER EVER
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WH:TW will never inspire a mass binge in the masses buying their products.
Some people will buy it of course but nowhere in enough numbers to cause a dent.
>>47400359
>a successful game is not going to going to attract people to its source material
>dawn of war didn't attract people to warhammer 40k
>fantasy fans are salty about lotr getting support
Getting desperate with the implications there, m8, fantasy fans are not salty over lotr getting support, if anything they are happy for them and also shows that the discontinuation of whfb being inevitable due to sales is an overblown lie.
AoS was just a shitty move.
>>47400882
Source material they can get in books.
You do not have to actually play Fantasy or buy the models to enjoy the world, just read the numerous books that are out there while playing the games.
Go into a /v/ thread about 40k sometime and you'll find that the people there couldn't care less about the models and actual game, all they care about is the lore and video games.
>>47392642
Price increase
>>47392972
How about that is hasn't been released and the media embargo only lifted a few days ago?
>>47392642
They'll keep selling the rights for WHFB video games, and perhaps put out a remake of an old specialist game.
I wouldn't mind them re-releasing Mordheim.
>>47400882
You are aware that LOTR is being supported by Forge Worlds new specialist games studio right?
Same with Blood Bowl, the design studio is still focusing on 40k/AOS almost entirely.
>>47393827
That armour is dope
>>47392682
The game is now much more popular than any previous historical Total War (and the latest one, Attila, flopped)
I'd not be surprised if they drop historical TWs completely due to it
But of course, Gdubs has it's head so far up his own ass they won't do shit
>>47392906
Also, it's not even released, so it got #1 with preorders alone
>>47393225
>that the grimderp
WHFB wasn't grimderp until GW decided to add skulls and bones on every mini they shat out, and that's pretty recent.
>>47392642
>increase
You mean decrease?
>>47392863
Aren't they Trolluks™ now?
>>47393162
GW considers the videogames to be in competition with the tabletop, not a complement. IF TW:WH succeeds, then it's proof that AoS was a good idea because the customers who bought the pc game would have stopped buying WHF models once TW:WH came out.
>>47404637
This is nonsense
>>47404719
He said GW. WHat kind of sense did you expect.
>>47392954
Do you not understand what a "top seller" is?
>>47392642
They will blame the failure of Age of Smegmar on Total Warhammer and decide to revoke publishing rights.
>>47392642
>do you think GW is going to respond
No. They stopped doing that ages ago when they unplugged their forum servers because outside opinions were "otiose." So, they'll do just what they've always done since then:
Keep their heads in the sand and just chunter along with everyone doing whatever it is that they feel like doing from day to day - and everything will work out for the best. I mean, it's worked so far, right? Right?
Right?
>>47405086
>Right?
They've opened official facebook pages, publicy asked and replied questions to compile faqs and are reviving specialist games along convenience bundles.
The end times and the AoS were the last mistake of the old ceo, we hope.
Last expansion is Age of Sigmar. They are luring new people to start buying the new models by getting them hooked on the old world and then giving them 'le epic gaem moments' with AoS expansion.
>>47405259
>The end times and the AoS were the last mistake of the old ceo, we hope.
I mean the last 3 or so months have been pretty good for AoS. The FAQ on Facebook? Points created in response to the community and with community help to create? Specialist games? Discounts? Ironjawz?
New CEO is trying his darndest to save the compnay from Kirby.
>>47406156
Like I Will trust GW ever again bro, they are whores for the share holders, if something isn't doing enough money, they will squat it.
>>47403105
This is the biggest dumbshit move they ever made as a business.
WHFB became popular because it was a game in which recognizable fantasy and mythological creatures were featured.
Which would be more likely to sell, Trolls, Goblins, Dwarfs and Elves or Trolluks™, Grotsies™, Dwarrbops™ and Aeaelves™?
>>47406311
>Which would be more likely to sell, Trolls, Goblins, Dwarfs and Elves or Trolluks™, Grotsies™, Dwarrbops™ and Aeaelves™?
Sigmarines.
>>47402622
attila didn't flop
CA expected it not to do so well, and it actually did better.
do you think GeeDubs knows that they are hated and they don't care, or they think that they are loved because their heads are in their asses
>>47392863
>When there's not an advertiser streaming, it's not even on the radar.
That's because it isn't even out yet, only the advertisers have access to it.
The fact that so many people turned up for a game that isn't even out yet speaks volumes about the level of interest surrounding it.
>>47408565
They wouldn't care if they knew but their heads are also in their asses.
>>47408642
mabey if we all hit there facebook page at once they might get the idea.
>>47408663
I think our best bet is for the new CEO to fix things. Which is entirely possible if TW:W is a success.
>>47408678
He's been doing good stuff so far.
>>47408678
so do we know for a fact thats its a new CEO or is it just a guess because GW is being less of an asshat than usual
>>47408663
The word you are looking for there is their, not there. While very similar, one relates to possession, and the other to location.
>>47408819
i know i know i know. Wasn't paying attention. Ironically, i'm supposed to be studying for an English exan
>>47408787
We know for a fact, kirby (who was the twat and didnt even play the game) resigned shortly after launch of aos.
>>47408678
WHo's the new ceo anyway?
>>47408849
so AoS was his final troll eh?
>>47408849
Kevin D. Rountree
Total noob to warhammer fantasy here. Looked at the game, looks interesting but I doubt any of us guys who just bought the video game are gonna go out and buy over priced GW figures. Like it worked for WH40k because the models look good, fantasy looks like a boring version of Warcraft.
>fantasy is boring version of warcraft
Kill yourself. Right now.
>>47408876
Kirby is not a troll, Kirby is plain delusional.
>>47409069
whats interesting about Fantasy then?? The only cool thing are Orks, which is what the Total war team put most of their effort behind when making the game.
>>47409085
Kirby deserves to be shot. In the knee. Then the arm. Then the stomach. Then left in a ditch Full of salt. Then shot more. Finally after 3 days of being shot and having salt put in his wounds, then you kill him.
>>47409033
You will be happy to know that Warhammer Fantasy line is being discontinued for exactly this reason and will be replaced by Age of Sigmar, which is, essentially what looks like more exciting version of Warcraft!
It's also expensive as hell, even more than the old stuff was.
>>47393042
>missing the cynical sarcasm
Guess you failed your stupidity check.
D6 amble distance
>>47409222
well im sure they have a marketing team and figured this out a long time ago.
>>47409290
Nope, GW does NO market research and is proud of it.
Looks like they're going all out.
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Warhammer?N=102302+4294965125&Nu=product.repositoryId&qty=12&sorting=rec&view=table&categoryId=cat440002a-flat
The banner advertising Total Warhammer took more effort than this crap.
>>47409494
Have they ever advertised their video games on the website? I can't think of a single instance where they have.
>>47409494
>Advertising the models of the game
>Most of them have been squatted to make way for age of shitmar
Disgusting.
>>47409494
>>47409995
Well, appearently, they want to sell some old warhammer kits, who they still have in stock...
>>47409494
>browsing through the catalogue
>hysh, azyr, aqshy, shyish
What's with the retarded childish names?
>>47410359
They can be IP'd.
>>47410359
Actually they were in The old world, but they were the names of the winds of magic, not places in the cosmos. I tried with AoS, but the old world is too great to forget, Thats why I dropped the Stormcast, and went back to the good old Empire!!!!
>>47401775
The FW Specialist Design Studio apparently said something about getting around to working on Mordheim.
>>47402717
That's actually more historical than it is grimdark.
>>47406311
Why don't you ask all the people who like The Elder Scrolls with its Aldmer, Dunmer, Bosmer, Orsimer, and Dwemer?
>>47410359
They've been the names of the winds of magic for 30 years.
>>47412187
Buying a game is different from buying miniatures.
>>47412784
It's the same shit, do you think no video game has used elves, dwarfs, orcs, goblins, or trolls before?
The Elder Scrolls could have never bothered with coming up with their own names for the various stock fantasy races, but they did and people have come to accept and use them despite High, Dark, Wood, Dwarf, and Orc also being correct.
>>47412981
probably because those names are creative enough, while the GW names read like a retard made them. The -mer ending links those races and adds to the setting. Orruk looks like a typo when they drunkenly tried to write ork.
>>47409494
>Karl Franz is now a "Freeguild General"
feels bad man
Just maybe they'll make Not!Warhammer as part of specialist games with armies getting formations and point values again.
If they weren't releasing it at the worst fucking possible time you could possibly pick (seriously nothing has come out for the past month and you pick the day after one of the biggest releases of the year drops? also the witcher 3 expansion is also out soon) then this would prob do much better
>>47392993
I believe that this new CEO actually might. He gave AoS points after all.
However if anything hapoens, it won't be a complete retcon of AoS and return to WHFB. The loss of face alone would make that impossible. And honestly, while I so hate AoS, I think it would be silly to abandon it now in it's infancy. After all, this is essentially it's rouge trader or 1st edition WHFB, and both 40k and Fantasy changed a lot from their first edition.
However, I could see a sort of compromise: they continue with AoS, but also bring back WHFB in the form of something like Warhammer: legacy, which would essentially be an alternate timeline for WHFB, perhaps focused in the Total warhammer events, so as to gain maximum profit from the game. This would be something that is released as a better version of 8th edition, and would receive less support than 40k or AoS, but enough to both make up to old fans and help bring in new ones.
>>47416149
That's pretty good idea.
>>47406311
The reason AoS names are all so weird is so they will be legally distinct from WHFB. This will make selling the videogame licences more lucrative.
Unfortunately this plan fell down at the "make game good" and "gain popularity" stages.
>>47409494
damn i want Azhag model but that price...
