Why is the new Empire so diverse?
Aren't they evil space nazis?
>>47349769
Not really? Well, ok. Evil and Space, yeah.
The whole 'They are racist nazis' was an EU creation purely because we saw no alien/female stormtroopers...but then, we also saw no faces.
>>47349769
>implying colour did matter at all
You just had to be human if you had in mind to join the forces of the first galactic empire.
>>47349782
>The whole 'They are racist nazis' was an EU creation purely because we saw no alien/female stormtroopers...
I took it as radicalisation brought about by getting their asses kicked.
>>47349813
>implying SW are nothing but recolored humans.
Fuck this, bring back the superior maori genetical code from the GAR. Palpatine's army a shit.
>>47349769
The empire never cared about sex or color.
The empire cared about totalitarianism and controlling the powers of the galaxy at all costs. It had a huge boner for "humans are the chosen people" (which the setting kind of argues is true but you don't have to be an asshole to aliens for it). Later when the empire was taking a nosedive they got nicer to the nonhumans but it still pretty shitty if you wanted any sort of freedom or means to move up in the world that didn't involve backstabbing.
![meh.ro9928[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/pSoL1oz.jpg "meh.ro9928[1].jpg")
>>47349769
>Aren't they evil space nazis?
Exactly.
>>47349782
IIRC, we saw no alien in the Alliance during episode 4 either. (There's Chewie, but he didn't get a medal in the final scene, and the stormtroopers had an alien spy in Mos Eisley, so they're kinda on the same ground here).
>>47349898
>IIRC, we saw no alien in the Alliance during episode 4 either. (There's Chewie, but he didn't get a medal in the final scene, and the stormtroopers had an alien spy in Mos Eisley, so they're kinda on the same ground here).
Yeah. It's not that the Empire were some super humanity-first group.
It's just they didn't have the budget to go 'We want X background characters in every empire/alien group shot to be aliens'
>>47349871
>Gender, sexuality, and the family are the very sites at which ideas about the nation are reinforced and reproduced.
Don't totalitarians control mating practices--especially those who fancy themselves the chosen people?
This doesn't really imply a laissez-faire free-for-all.
>>47349962
The empire promoted the supremacy of humans over aliens, IIRC.
>>47349898
>pressed Asiatic conscripts
>unwilling Indian traitors
>some Jap attaches in borrowed uniforms
>Cossack mercenaries
>Bosnian recruits who mutinied and killed their German officers
>an Italian Libyan in DAK uniform
>the British Free Corps
>German guys wearing fezzes
>a Croatian
What this done seriously? It's fucking retarded if it's meant to be some kind of assertion that the Nazis were raceblind.
Let me break it down for you, OP.
>Human
Here's your laser, go shoot some aliens
>alien
KOS
Bit daft considering that there's nothing to suggest humans are even a plurality of the galactic populatiom, but hey.
>>47349987
Even so, wouldn't they want the human women to be at home breeding strong human offspring?
>>47349995
>there's nothing to suggest humans are even a plurality of the galactic populatiom
Quality > Quantity
>>47349992
it's probably either one of those anti-motivational pictures or a counter argument too the "look we got some black guys for our photos look how progressive we are" thing.
>>47349769
Real world social justice nazis don't like the idea that anyone isn't diverse, so space nazis had to get into affirmative action
>>47349992
Yup, almost as retarded as "they're evil, they can't have black henchmen" and the corollary "they use people from multiple ethnicities, they must be the good guys".
And no, I don't think this picture was done seriously, but it's always a nice counterpoint to people that use sentences like the two right above this one.
>>47349999
They got clones (so artificial wombs) and nurse robots, so housewifes probably aren't necessary.
Not to mention that they can modify the genome on the fly ala Gattaca, so a mating program isn't mandatory either.
>>47349871
>It had a huge boner for "humans are the chosen people" (which the setting kind of argues is true but you don't have to be an asshole to aliens for it).
It always struck me as a bit odd. The droid hate I can understand, but lots of the republic soldiers and supporters were aliens.
If anything Sheev looks like an evil pragmatist to me, not the kind to shoot himself in the foot by segregating against all aliens.
You already have available scapegoats in the former federation members, why look for more?
>>47349898
Chewie didn't get a medal because Carrie Fisher want tall enough to put it on, and they didn't just have him bend over or something for whatever reason.
>>47350352
They also conjured up an explanation for that in the short comic run he got too, which was something to the tune of "wookies don't do medals/physical badges of honour."
>>47350392
At least he went out like a badass in the comics, it took dropping a fucking moon on him to kill him.
>>47350140
>And no, I don't think this picture was done seriously, but it's always a nice counterpoint to people that use sentences like the two right above this one.
This.
>>47349769
What structural purpose do the strings on the top of this spaceship serve?
Aren't they flying through space?
>>47350491
It has to be attached to the celestial sphere or it'd just fall, moron.
>>47349769
>Why is the new Empire so diverse?
tumblrs are ruining something else
>>47349769
>Why is the Empire so diverse?
Because of a modern call for diversity in fiction.
>>47349871
Eh, id say that they dont care about diversity so much as they care about appearance. The Empire shouldn't care if the person under the armour is male or female or alien. If they pass the requirements, can fit into the standard issue armour? All good. It's about forcing conformity, the same outwards appearance. Each storm trooper (minus officers who need to be marked out, and so on) looks the same because they are the mailed fist of the empire. There is no individuality. Nobody cares what's under those helmets, and nor should they.
>>47349769
>Aren't they evil space nazis?
Well, they were. At least until The Mouse came along.
Now that Darth Mickey is in charge there's been a major push for diversity.
But the thing is, that makes far more sense for the Rebel Alliance than it does for the Empire.
You want a lesbian admiral? Great!
Admiral Kar'peyt Mon'chyr is a perfect addition to the Rebel cause!
>>47351036
>There is no individuality. Nobody cares what's under those helmets, and nor should they.
Conformity is more than just appearance; conformist behaviour must also be inculcated, and some groups bend better than others.
Cool thing about having a racist backing to your totalitarian rule is that you can always adjust the bandwidth later. Once you've subjugated all the aliens, theeeeeen start systematically oppressing whatever humans are the most alien.
>>47350352
I know. Like we didn't got more aliens in A New Hope because it would have been too expensive.
But those are not in-universe reason.
It's no big deal, but A New Hope didn't really sell the idea of an alien-hating Empire.
And it would have been pretty easy to put the medal on his neck offscreen (Or put Carrie on a chair, since their feets are cut in the scene).
>>47349769
They are - they're human supremacists. In a galaxy where hundreds of sapient species live together and compete for resources, you don't get a lot of inclusiveness points for accepting every kind of human. The Empire looks down on aliens and everyone looks down on droids.
IIRC the Empire was already defined as being xenophobic in terms of being human supremacist. If you already hate most of the galaxy, sexism and racism are pretty unproductive ideals.
The Empire is large enough to expect there to be a lot of different ethnicities, even if the officers we see in the movies are mostly white; there's still plenty of room for dead minorities stormtrooper wise.
I mostly assume the white semi-British Imperials we see are coming from a similar source like the Corellians like how most Totalitarian governments like to recruit from their more loyal subjects.
>>47349769
Nazis in that they enslave alien species and are very xenophobic. They only allowed humans to join IIRC
Couldn't give a damn about your skin color.
>>47349962
Sparta was very totalitarian and cared very little about one's sexual preferences as long he or she performed their reproductive duties to Sparta.
SS troopers, as prime specimens of the German race, were encouraged to have extramarital children by Himmler himself.
Controlling mating practices does not necessarily mean that sexualities other than heterosexual are vilified.
>>47349769
Didn't the nazis believe in Tibetan buddhist bullshit though?
>>47351379
You do realize that the majority of the Waffen SS were not German right?
>>47351318
Humans are superior, though.
>>47350422
That was the Yuuzan Vong books, not the comics
>>47351438
You do know there's a difference between Waffen SS and SS, right?
>>47349769
As I recall, they were racist and Sexist in the old EU, only allowing Human Males to really progress in the hierarchy. The few women who gained positions of power, like Isard and Daala, were exceptional politicians or ruthless as fuck. Thrawn, the only alien to get power in the old Empire, was a goddamned tactical genius, politician, connoisseur and a skilled enough Commando to fight an entire battalion of Stormtroopers unarmed. Skin color was never an issue.
Looks like they just removed the sexist part from the Empire's policies.
not sure about the Empire, but the First Order raises/conditions Stormtroopers from birth. With such an emphasis on conformity, you'd think they treat everyone within their own ranks exactly the same. How you look doesn't matter: keep your helmet on and march in line. I imagine they'd keep this policy towards civilians too. So they're "diverse" in the sense that they crush all aspects of individual identity, therefore becoming completely homogenous.
Obviously that's not the Empire, but given that the First Order gets everything from the Empire, it's reasonable to assume the Empire was similar, but less extreme.
the National Socialist German Workers' Party was for every man, woman, and child
the Wehrmacht followed the standard military recruitment policies of the 1930's/'40's
Don't have to be racist or sexist to be a fascist autocrat Anon, it's just that the one really REALLY famous/good example we've had in recent history had a good deal of both Ingrained in it due to a variety of reasons
>>47351538
It was kinda pointless imo. Just a bit 'Yeah, we needed them to be more evil!'
They don't really get much more evil doing that and end up looking a lot more petty.
>>47351669
you still get people who unironically think the empire were the good guys and the rebels were evil terrorists though
>>47351710
That happens with basically every setting.
If you make a group look stylish, people will like them and you have to admit, the uniforms are Boss.
![500[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/AiYl56e.jpg "500[1].jpg")
>>47351731
>your terrorists are our freedom fighters.
Well, you could say that in the end, it's all true, from a certain point of view.
I think it can't be linked to the fact that the Empire is never seen doing evil things. Stormtroopers in Mos Esley seem pretty chill, and we don't see any other population center.
Showing them assaulting the jawas or Lars' farm would have done a lot of good in that regard.There's Alderan and the torture sphere, but considering that (as an example) the US nuked two japanese cities and that the CIA did some pretty unsavory things everywhere on the planet, it's hard to give the Galactic Empire the "Irredemable Evil" label based only on that without a lot of dissonance.
And the EU added the completely evil Compnor while making the regular Empire more nuanced
>>47351961
while I agree with most of what your saying I don't think the nuke example is entirely applicable, the US was at war with an enemy combatant country. Alderan was a peaceful plant with no weapons purely chosen as an example for the example to really work I think it would need to be something like the US nuking Switzerland. besides there's a world of difference between destroying two city's and blowing up a planet in terms of evil.
>>47351961
It's even harder for the Rebels to be painted as 100% good. You've got a bunch of guerilla fighters trying to overthrow the only large-scale government in the galaxy, probably for a variety of reasons. You've got anarchists, remains of the separatists from the Clone Wars, profiteers, and just country bumpkins from the outer rim who don't want the gubmint to take their blasters or their slaves.
There has to be collateral damage, too, and not just civilian contractors on the second Death Star like they talked about in Clerks. When you're an underdog, you have to fight dirty. You have to avoid a pitched battle at all costs. You have to impersonate civilians and medics. You have to shoot their medics and evacuees. You have to destroy infrastructure that keeps a lot of imperial civilians alive. The laws and customs of war are made by powerful states to protect themselves from underdogs because war crimes are how underdogs win.
>>47352367
>Alderan was a peaceful plant with no weapons
They were secretly funding terrorist insurgencies.
Think of Alderan as an Iran of sorts.
>>47351731
>Uniforms are Boss
Heh...
>>47352585
Yeah but Alderan was full of real humans and not sand monkeys, so you can't just go killing them willy-nilly.
>>47352643
If you math it out, you'd probably find that the whole population of Alderaan corresponds to less than one person on Earth.
>>47352367
>Alderan was a peaceful plant with no weapons
A whole planet with no weapons? What sort of moron would believe that?
>>47349769
I miss the old EU.
>>47350491
>Obi-wan dresses in sensible desert attire in order to blend in with locals
>later canon insists that his generic wardrobe was in fact the standard Jedi uniform because all Jedi lived in the desert all the time or something and he kept wearing said uniform during the crackdown because fldkjhaslk;hgasldhgf
The thing about Star Wars is that it was powered by its imagery. The viewer had an immediate sense of what was going on based on the props. There was no need to write an elaborate backstory, because those weapons and outfits were in themselves sufficient story. It is also important to understand that when the original movie was made, everyone in Hollywood knew that sequels=suicide and that only a drooling retard would try to make a franchise out of Star Wars. Since it was obviously just a one-off movie, there was zero need to write up a coherent canon bible for later reference.
It was never meant to be like this.
>>47352838
that whole valley of jedi and whatever was a crock of shit. Jerec, some master sith cockknocker was rollin around with a bunch of other sith and vader tolerated it? fuck off.
loved the game though. those assholes with the repeater blaster were fucking assholes though.
>>47349871
To be fair, in the old EU there were mentions of how powerful women like Daala, Ysanne Isard, and Moff Leonia Tavira were discriminated against and forced into more menial roles that were beneath their abilities, until they connived and forced their way into power. In the big picture, being a Human and loyal to the Emperor should have been enough to warrant acceptance into the Empire. Maybe Sheev just really hated Gungans and took it out on all non-human species after he ascended to the throne.
>>47353171
Which is weird because I always thought the Jedi Knight clothes was supposed to be what Luke wore in Return, something sort of like a karate gi. Robes don't really make sense, they're so flowing that they'd seriously inhibit you in a fight.
>>47353363
The prequel trilogy pretty much proves you right, how many scenes are there of Jedi shrugging off those robes so they can actually fight, of course fighting wasn't a Jedi's primary concern but the point stands.
>>47352838
Meh, I'll do as I did before. Aknowledge the good parts and ignore the bad ones, regardless of canonicity.
Granted, it becomes slightly harder now that we got two continuities, but so far it's manageable.
>>47353171
It would make sense if the jedi took some kind of poverty vow. Like how some beggar religious orders dress in rags to stay humble.
But considering how fabulous the temple is... Maybe as architectural remnants from a time when jedi had more personal riches?
OP, there were literally black Divisions of the Waffen SS, as well as yellow and brown ones.
Besides, the Galactic Empire are human supremacists, they hate aliums.
Post more QT black Imperials.
>>47352838
>>47354225
>ITS STILL CANON TO ME DAMN IT!!!
I miss Kyle Katarn as well. but I sort of do a similar thing if it hasn't been discredited outright its in the proper canon that or I just say to myself all the EU stuff is an AU and that usually clams my sperg fitswith the added benefit of ignoring the crappy stuff.
PURGE THE ALIENS
INTERGALACTIC RACE WAR NOW
>>47354340
>ITS STILL CANON TO ME DAMN IT!!!
Well, yes. Of course.
I've never understood this obsession with canon, that is pretty specific to the anglosphere as far as I can tell.
Any cultural works rely on the observer to fill the blanks. No work is complete by itself. If I were to push a bit too far, I'd say that it's only ink on paper/colored pixels and agitated air, and all the story only exist in your head. You've got to take into account the author's intent, your own cultural interpretations, the limitations of the medium, the internal viewpoint of the story.
And that's for simple settings, not things like Star Wars that are contradictory messes spanning decades.
Not two persons will absorb exactly the same thing, even if they read the same text.
It's the main reason nerd debates are so intense and usually go nowhere. The real world ≠ Anon's #1 reality ≠ Anon's #2 reality.
Take that thread : Some see the Empire as Evil Space Nazis, others see it as a Bureaucracy smothered by its own weight and internal corruption, and a final part sees it a legitimate galactic power assaulted by terrorists, even if most of us have the same base material.
The empire was about controlling the galaxy, not genocide or xenocide. They did seem to hold the notion that humans are the master race, which is actually true in star wars.
>>47355238
Rashomon is one Kurosawa movie neither Lucas nor some fans will ever get.
>>47349769
God I wanted to like Lost stars.
Girl is fucking dumb and the dude is actually reasonable. Anyone want me to sum up the book for them?
The new empire (And even the old to certain lengths) is mostly a meritocracy. The strong seize power, regardless of gender or race.
>>47360055
Go ahead.
>>47360289
>boy and girl into SPACESHIPS
>Boy and girl are from different economic classes on the world of JELLO CAN
>Show up at the annexation ceremony of the world thrown by the empire
>Both decide to fuck off from their parents and go wonderin
>Show up at hanger shit ensues and end up talking to grand moff tarkin
>tarkins like cool these kids like spaceships. join the empire kids!
>Rich boy decides to let poor girl use his spaceship to GIT GUD at flyin
>Proceed to keep being friends
>Go off to imperial academy. Anime level romance between friends happens
>Competition to assemble gun boys gun get sabotaged
>Learn that the gubment pitted the two friends against each other to push competition and break the relationship.
>Guy is like "WOH THAT'S FUCKED UP"
>GIRL is like "LOL THEY HAD THEIR REASONS! RESPECT THE AUTHORITY! MUH POOR PEOPLE OATH"
>Get in fight and drift apart
>Proceed to get back together at the grad ceremony
>Girl goes on to command training
>Guy goes and become a TIE pilot
>A LITERAL TIE PILOT.
>BEING EXPENDABLE IS COOL KIDS
>shit goes on get to the death star
>Both watch it blow up alderann
PT. 1
>>47360399
Ya know what fuck it.
Girl goes on to follow the empire thinking she can make it change. Guy goes on to realize the empire is bretty fucked up.
Girl hates guy but still fucks him multiple times throughout the book.
Oh then at the battle of jakku the dude boards her star destroyer that she commands beats her ass takes her off the ship she's willingly plummeting into the ground.
BUT OUR LOVE CONQUERS ALL!
No author it doesnt. I get it's a teens book really but for fuck sake.
>>47353212
>Jerec, some master sith cockknocker was rollin around with a bunch of other sith and vader tolerated it? fuck off.
He was an Inquisitor. Basically what Disney now reintroduced in rebels.
>>47354225
>But considering how fabulous the temple is... Maybe as architectural remnants from a time when jedi had more personal riches?
Just look how the temples of such actual orders look. And it doesn't even go against the vow ... from a certain point of view. Less money for each monk, means more money to waste on monastery decoration, icons and such.
>>47351109
Actually...there's been female Stormtroopers and pilots since the 1980's novels.
Only in the higher ranks of the Imperial Navy was there sexism so they could have Sisters of Battle Daala.
>>47352838
Kyle sucked after Dark Forces.
Dark Forces was 10/10.
Are there any non-humans in the Imperial Army other than Siths?
>>47361903
There are only two Sith, Vader and Palpatine. The rest are either the Emperor's Hand or Inquisitors, both of whom like to call themselves Sith but were only given a handful of Sith teachings at best.
In Disney canon, yes there is.
NEH DARKIEZ, NEH WIMMEN!
THAHTS THA RULEZ OF THEH EMPIYAH!
>>47349769
Human High Culture is the motto, so as long as they're human it's fine.
>>47361922
That's from the Fel Empire, long after the Galactic Empire's original policies were abandoned in favor of survival and pragmatism.
Why would the Empire have standards? They started with an army of Mexicans.
>>47362016
That was also the canon where the Empire was actually Palpatine preparing the galaxy for the Vong.
Let's compromise.
>>47349782
im pretty sure we call them space nazis because of this scene.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sr3L7yI5lzQ
>>47362033
Compromise what?
>>47362018
... that annihilated the Jedi Order and conquered the galaxy.
Rebels showed that even old clones were still good compared to imperial recruits.
>>47349898
There were also the off screen Bothan spies the Rebellion sent to their deaths for getting the Death Star plans.
>>47352367
They're more similar than you think! I mean, first off, Star Wars planets are basically cities anyway - gigantic monocultural monoclimates. In terms of the scales for their respective settings, Alderaan and Nagasaki are pretty similar. Moreover, like Alderaan, Nagasaki was a city full of civilians that, nevertheless, provided significant war materiel to a militarily significant opponent, and was selected as part of a plan to demonstrate a powerful new weapon to demoralize the enemy through fear.
Face it. We're the Empire. The only difference is we elect a new Sith Lord every 4 years.
Wait, it's implied that humans are actually the bestest race in the galaxy? What supports that notion?
Besides the mere fact that the protagonists are nearly all human, of course.
>>47362057
FO Trooper armour is plainly inferior to Storm Troopr armour in terms of environmental protection. FO Troopers doesn't filter even poison, Stormie armour can be vac sealed and has an hour's supply of air, even longer with added air tanks.
>>47361903
The singular and plural of Jedi and Sith are the same. It is one Sith, and many Sith. It can be one Jedi or four Jedi. There is no "s" at the end of either.
Why do so many people fuck this up? If English isn't their first language I understand, but I've seen native speakers (and even heard people in real life) say "siths" and such.
Why. Why is it so hard to understand?
>>47362498
What race is every protagonist?
>>47362498
In the Darth Plagueis book Plagueis mentions something about humans being the most diverse and adaptable race the galaxy has seen, or something like that. While many races (such as his, the Muun) were geared towards a few specialized roles, humans could be found in almost any and ever line of work, from the lowliest of swoop gang slime to the highest politician and Jedi (and Sith) master and every single occupation in between. Meanwhile it was a rare thing if a Muun was ever anything other than a banker or something that dealt with the crunching of numbers and sales, or Trandoshians being anything but mercenaries or slavers, etc.
I'm paraphrasing of course but basically humans are the most ambitious and adaptable. We breed quickly, we spread, we learn, we conquer and we don't give up. Obviously the reason humans are considered the "chosen" species is because we in reality are humans and if the Star Wars setting wasn't geared towards making us feel special certainly more than just humans would be capable of achieving similar feats. But that's why.
Same thing happens in Mass Effect. Humans are newcomers to the galactic scene but quickly rise to pretty much take over, even though the other races have been around for hundreds of years. We make ourselves special in our fantasy settings. Humans are the ultimate, collective mary sues.
>>47362182
>im pretty sure we call them space nazis because of this scene
The Empire was supposed to be reminiscent of nazis since A New Hope. Their soldiers weren't called 'Stormtroopers' by accident, and their uniforms and style were obviously similar to those used by nazis.
>>47362758
they were obviously nazis from the beginning, british nazis.
Stormtrooper is a term used to describe Canadian soldiers in ww1, a nickname given by the germans.
>>47362822
Stormtroopers were a term for elite soldiers meant to spearhead actual break throughs. When you attack across the whole front, but actually aim to break through at one particular point? That's where the stormtroopers go.
Chances are Canucks got stuck with the name because the Germans figured them to be particularly aggressive or some shit, or the Brits just happened to throw them at the opportune targets by chance.
>>47362498
Humans breed fast and are one of the most expansionist species in the universe. More importantly, they're usually peaceful but also a group you do NOT want to piss off in addition to being expansionist.
Also, they were one of the two races that discovered how to leave their own solar system via hyperdrives and mapped out (thus controlling) most of what would became the largest trade routes in the galactic core, making most human planets very wealthy.
>>47362984
To add to this, doesn't the EU all but say outright that Coruscant was the human home world, or at least that humans colonized it very early on and built it up to be the capital of the entire galaxy?
>>47362417
The Senate is actually quite effectual however. If it so chooses it can significantly jam up the Executive, and Judicial relevance is just not the same either.
We also do not have actual, routinely and universally accepted slavery. (Droids. Many can pass a Turing test or are obviously sentient, but they have no real rights. Even the most progressive people in the Galaxy apparently consider their diligent service only natural.)
While we have wage slaves, droids are not like that at all. They are literally slaves.
>>47363003
Humanity comes from THX-1138 Earth.
>>47363003
Its only been implied, even in-universe nobody knows what the human homeworld really is.
It IS known to be the place where humans and Duro first met and hammered out how galactic politics would work though. Mon Calamari joined them not long after, making the trinity of the most space-faring races.
Early hyperdrives were really unpredictable and most jumps were into uncharted territory, so a lot of colony ships got lost for so long entire new subspecies evolved. Nemoidians are Duro that somehow went from mammals to mammal-like insects. Miraluka are humans who were stranded on a planet with no light and evolved to have empty eye sockets but an innate connection to the Force they use to see with.
>>47354282
>please
>a lone vice admiral
>not a single stormtrooper as her escort
>>47362822
>Stormtrooper is a term used to describe Canadian soldiers in ww1, a nickname given by the germans
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stormtrooper
>Stormtroopers were specialist soldiers of the German Army in World War I
>Sturmtruppen ("assault troops", more often and less exactly "storm troops")
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Expeditionary_Force
>The Germans went so far as to call them "storm troopers"[2] for their great combat efficiency.
They called them that because the Canadians were awesome, filled the same basic function, and they built on stormtrooper tactics inspired by Germans.
>>47363079
Guess that's why she has to ask nicely.
>>47362018
>mexican
>>47350140
>If anything Sheev looks like an evil pragmatist to me, not the kind to shoot himself in the foot by segregating against all aliens.
He did it out of pragmatism - it didn't stop him from employing and even helping alien faction, but a huge part of Sheev's style was playing off factions against one another and promoting internal strife.
>>47362722
So, the same basic fantasy attributes of spunk and numbers. Not bad, but not particularly interesting.
>>47362984
>Also, they were one of the two races that discovered how to leave their own solar system via hyperdrives and mapped out (thus controlling) most of what would became the largest trade routes in the galactic core, making most human planets very wealthy.
This is actually pretty neat, though. It's refreshing to have humanity be more of the pioneering race than the inexplicable newcomers.
>>47349769
>Aren't they evil space nazis?
Your question is how does a political faction based around militarism, fear-mongering, xenophobia, and hatred manage to appeal to huge numbers of people, despite being obviously destructive and morally corrupt?
Gee, I don't know. Not like that's ever worked before.
>>47350140
>If anything Sheev looks like an evil pragmatist to me, not the kind to shoot himself in the foot by segregating against all aliens.
if you are going to make a military, you gotta have standardization.
take the most populace species in the galaxy, the most adaptable and easiest to work around, and build an army from that.
could you imagine having dozens of different types of armor for different species? not to mention all the dietary and living requirements for each species. sure you could get away with something like zeltrons, but developing for two races is much more expensive than developing for only 1 race.
>>47363003
possibly. they shared coruscant with the Taung, the proto-mandalorian species before they were booted off by the humans to settle on manalore. the rataka form way back bum fuck when would be the only people that know where humans come from, since they took humans form their homeworld and used them as slaves labores along with numerous other species. that is why there are different populations of humans across the galaxy before the hyperdrive came around after the fall of the infinite empire
>>47363182
Fascism is literally all about just seducing the masses with impressive majestic awe inspiring imagery and get them all hyped up and giving them a medium through which to express said hype. That way you make them forget about all the things about your rule that would otherwise make them angry but letting them express themselves, through a carefully laid route you made for them and directing them to do what you want them to do. Ties in nicely with finding an enemy figure to direct the anger that could otherwise be directed at you, and further motivate them.
>>47363180
As far as hats, the Duro are the explorers. Mankind is the pioneers. Mon Calamari are the poets and old men of the sea who never feel at home on the mainland.
>>47349769
Weren't all stormtroopers clones of a nigger?
>>47363297
Mon Calamari, ruling the world.
Within six months.
>>47363304
Maori/Scottish/Irish, and it was clone troopers. Stormies are largely just human recruits, except for parts of the 501st which still contained the few surviving clone troopers. Then Endor happened.
>>47362822
>>47351340
Being all British and shit, I really wish we'd see stormies calling each other and the rebels cunts.
>>47362316
thats fucking Anya from Gears of War you goober
>>47362018
>Mexicans
Maori. Temuera Morrison was Maori. A Native New Zealander.
>>47362942
canadians were known for brutal trench invasions.
And in WW2 they were the ones that had their shit together the most on D Day and rek-a-rooni'd their beach
>>47362984
>>47363180
>>47363297
In the old EU it was a little more complicated than that, but of the current generation of spacefaring SW species humanity was still like, maybe the 5th or so?
There was an earlier wave of surpertech species that it's possible humanity and the Duros etc stole hypertech from.
The Essential Atlas covers that shit pretty well without getting too much into the cringey details.
Fuckoff ancient Elder Race era.
Sharu, Gree, Celestials, Killicks (yuck), Rakata, Columi, Kwa and probably a few more.
Humans and other species may have sent out hibernation/generation ships in this era.
Rakata overthrow the dwindling Celestials somehow, push back most of the other ancient races and start enslaving lesser species like humans. After some time various species rebel, some of them including Duros, Humans on Coruscant, Tion, Corellia and other core worlds, Devaronians, and Herglics manage to sieze or invent their own hyperdrive tech.
Hutts also get a hyperspace empire somehow. And yeah that's basically the start of the "Modern" pre-republic era. Humans, devil people Hutts, blue Ayy-Lmaos and whale people get FTL tech and it spreads from there.
>>47363498
They literally waded off the boats and into town.
That's a whole shit load easier than having to run a hundred meters across open beach and scale fucking cliffs under constant fire from dug in Germans in bunkers like most of the other beaches.
If you want impressive Canadian WW2 feats, read about this glorious mofo.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%C3%A9o_Major
>>47363742
Rakata wiped out everything that came before them, and engineered slave races from a common base that they seeded the galaxy with and most species come from.
Rakata encountered Hutts, who somehow destroyed the Rakata civilization but didn't keep interstellar travel secrets and it took the humans encountering them for Hutts to become a dominant force outside their local solar system.
>>47350491
Haven't you heard of String Theory? They use that for their propulsion system.
>>47349782
EU authors are also why we had species-wide mono cultures. Shit like that is why I'm glad it got retconned.
>>47349769
>Why is the new Empire so diverse?
Because they aren't on a shoestring budget.
>>47352715
>A whole planet with no weapons? What sort of moron would believe that?
Anti-gun advocates?
>>47352715
I like what SWToR did with Alderaan. It's a bunch of noble houses with private armies and no actual military. They're also hilariously naive and completely unwilling to do anything about the bug infestation on their planet.
I learned to hate that place so much.
Now I'm glad every time I see Tarkin blow that shithole up.
>>47364169
>bug infestation
Well, Killiks are intelligent(sort of, it's a long story)and a native species. When a species is sapient killing large amounts of them all at once stops being pest control, and starts being genocide. People tend to frown on genocide.
>>47363296
Make America Great Again
>>47363871
Not really. The Gree survived the Rakata, the Sharu basically made themselves retarded.
>>47352715
>>Alderan was a peaceful plant with no weapons
>A whole planet with no weapons? What sort of moron would believe that?
Not LITERALLY no weapons, just none of note.
>>47354282
Oh cool, they brought her back, she was a fun part of that book.
>>47352838
On the other hand with it (Mostly) closed (Other than FFG stuff and ...TORtanic) it's much easier to start combing over other things
>>47362333
That was for the second Death Star, so RotJ.
>>47363812
To be fair the Americans had such strong resistance because they completely fucked up their landings.
Americans were and are shit.
>>47362333
Based only on the movies, Bothan could be a planet and not a race.
"Many Corellians died to bring us that information"
On a sidenote, it's hilarious how alien species are doomed to be limited to the role they had on the original movies.
Rodians - Bounty Hunters
Trandoshans - Bounty Hunters
Hutts - Crime Bosses
Male Twi'Leks - Businessmen
Female Twi'Leks -Dancer Slaves
Bothans - Spies
Gamoreans - Guards
and so on...
Multicultural species need not apply.
>>47364193
>walk into killik territory
>ground is literally covered in human bones
>everywhere
And the ones they don't kill they mind control in their weird bug mind. Remove Killik.
>>47364316
>american beach was best defended
>therefore americans are shit for having trouble with it
The message you're trying to convey is unclear.
>>47363812
>They literally waded off the boats and into town
>uses picture taken AFTER the main assault
There's retarded.
There's super retarded.
There's Sean Penn in "I Am Sam" retarded.
And then there's you.
>>47364387
Doesn't change the fact that Juno was probably the easiest beach to take out of all of them and the Germans had a much smaller killzone and less natural barriers to keep the Canadians at bay. Once they get to that town, they're on a much more even footing.
>>47364347
>Trandoshans - Bounty Hunters
Subpro, the company that partnered with Incom to make most of the X-Wing's ancestors was Trandoshan run I believe.
Also there's at least one rodian crime boss and one rodian local crime franchise manager
Some Twilek are fucking badass even in the old EU, looking at the Rogue Squadron novels and comics. Well, badass until you tell themWedge Antillies hops on one transparisteel leg.
Hutts breaking the mold is rarer but they've got scientists and warlords, one of the best loved Supreme Chancelors, and even a (Dark) jedi.
Bothans are also absurdly incompetent politicians and generals with one good pilot to even it out. Gas the Bothans! Space war now!
>>47364320
Huh, I guess we figured out what's wrong with the prequels.
There were black Nazis. They probably got ribbed for their inferior genes, but they were there.
>>47363222
Actually, the reason is because humans shot sleeper ships in every direction across the galaxy. The Rakata had many slave species than just humans, and yet very few of them are anywhere near as widespread as humans are, because humans were much more ballsy when it came to early colonization.
>>47360457
>muh soggy kness
>>47363182
Word. The US is doing it right now.
Because the Empire was the British Empire, and right now, Bongland is getting dhurka'd
>>47366195
All too true, fortunately smart people see through Hildebeasts BS
>Empire becomes more diverse
>Every scene with the heroes blowing away stormtroopers becomes slightly more uncomfortable
What's the point again?
>>47349987
Emps hated aliens. This is why EVERY commander and captain was a human up until we got Thrawn, who was a half breed who was fucking EXCEPTIONALLY good so Emps was all 'sure, you can do shit'.
Emps also hated droid reliance, hence why they had hardwired systems in their tech while Alliance made up the difference with droids.
>>47366408
>Obiwan: They’re just droids Luke! It’s okay to shoot them, they’re droids!
>*Luke shoots a storm trooper*
>Latisha: AAAHHHHHH!
>Stormtrooper 2: Latisha’s bleeding to death! Someone call her wife and children!
>Luke: They’re not droids, Obiwan!
>Obiwan: It’s a figure of speech, Luke. They’re bureaucrats, I don’t respect them. Just keep shooting, Luke. You have no idea what prison is like here!
>>47363916
>String Theory
Captcha: Store Fronts
Anon: Fuck you, Captcha
>>47366419
That's an EU-ism which has unfortunately (though to an admittedly lesser extent, but it's still there) carried on into NuCanon. We don't really get any hints of that sort of thing in the movies.
Closest you can come is two examples.
First, you have the Death Star's prison warden calling Chewie a "thing." But then again, we've seen what prison guards can turn out like in real life, so that's not too far-fetched.
Then there's the Bounty Hunters in ESB. The one officer says that they don't need their scum - which although they're mostly a bunch of aliens, sets a tone that he more dislikes them for their profession than for their species.
Otherwise, the Imperial cast is mostly white and British because they filmed a good portion of the movies in Britain - and who woulda thunk that white Brits make up the majority of the acting community in Britain...
>>47366408
>>47366492
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hD3w_VdTG30
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ag_AFraxj-4
>>47349769
I believe this, like most questions, can be answered by a Terry Pratchett quote:
“Racism was not a problem on the DIscworld, because - what with trolls and dwarfs and so on - speciesism was more interesting. Black and white lived in perfect harmony and ganged up on green.”
>>47349769
It's just Hollywood. ANH had zero niggers. ESB had niggers in every scene. And now every movie has niggers. It's just sad.
>>47366408
Jeez anon, does the thought of teenage girls screaming for daddy in their high-pitched childlike voice as they desperately try to cram their guts back inside their torso make you uncomfortable?
That's so sexist.
>>47367933
kek Empire literally had one nigger in the whole movie braj
>>47367933
>>47368731
Yeah, you're thinking of RotJ, which had a number of black (and alien) Alliance members.
Empire had Lando and maybe one or two Cloud City extras. All of the Hoth extras were white.
>>47360399
>>47360055
>>47360457
Lost Stars was really good, miles better than Aftermath. After being deprived of solid SW lit for so long it was a breath of fresh air. I get your arguments and the people I discussed it with had similar complaints, but all in all it was a terrific read.
![jar_jar[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Tq7d5AG.jpg "jar_jar[1].jpg")
>>47351318
>They are - they're human supremacists.
How are they the bad guys again? The entire prequel trilogy about the "good old" Republic days suggests that aliens are filthy scum that deserves to be exterminated post haste.
>>47362182
>The Force Awakens
>Canon
>>47366195
>>47366408
>it's perfectly fine to kill white men
Well, atleast they're not trying to hide it anymore.
>>47368878
Agreed. Lost Stars is probably my second favorite nucanon book (New Dawn being my number one)
I thought the plot was decent and seeing the movies from the point of view of minor characters was really neat. My main beef with it is autistic nitpicking, like a character saying "This guy is hot."
Aftermath is a steaming pile of shit and hating it has become my new favorite hobby. Fuck that book and fuck that writer.
>>47349769
>Aren't they evil space nazis?
Then why are they British?
>>47361886
Fucking Grade AAA game right there!
>>47364464
What I meant is that the alien we saw defined their entire race.
For all we know from the original movies, wookies could be a race of elegantly dressed sholars speaking common fluently, and Chewbacca a rare kind of autist with retard strength running around naked and screaming incoherently all the time.
>>47369870
Fucking hipsters are cancer!
>>47370321
In Bloodline (Gray's other novel, also really good) there is a gay character, but he's super minor and is referenced by being gay as a joke about "hitting the Corellian stuff hard", where the Corellian is his bf. That's how you do a gay character, not some awkward shit Wen-dong did that later turned into a joke about pedophilia. The twist in Aftermath was shit too.
>>47371318
To be completely honest, I didn't finish Aftermath and I wasn't aware there was a twist (feel free to spoil it, I don't even care)
I don't mind gay characters if they're treated like other characters.
Aftermath was like HEY, HAVE WE MENTIONNED WE'RE GAY? BECAUSE WE TOTALLY ARE YOU GUYS which I found super annoying. No straight character would ever talk like that and it's awful and shoehorning. I don't mind if it's done cleverly like the joke in Bloodlines because while it may not be necessary for a character to be gay, at least it's not hammering you in the face with it.
>>47371612
>it's not hammering you in the face with it.
Yeah, that was the point I was trying to make, probably did a poor job at it. With Aftermath, the group is in a sticky situation and their plan gets betrayed, but it's by the son going to the crime boss who wants him dead so he, his mom, and his droid can stay on their home planet while selling everyone else out to the Empire. It made literally no sense why he would do that, even in desperation. He can't trust this crime boss and their plan was solid, what a joke. My friend also couldn't finish Aftermath, it's a common complaint. I did enjoy the "interlude" sections of the book as they gave a wider glimpse of what the galaxy looked like after Episode VI, but could have been done in it's own book, like "Tales from the Fall of the Empire" or something like that. They did it before in the old EU and mashing it in really slowed the pace of the book down.
>>47353171
Star Wars was also seen as doomed for failure because it was science fiction without a message; just a generic story and special effects.
>>47352585
More like Saudi Arabia. They were the ones primarily funding the insurgent in Iraq who became Isis.
And funded the terrorists who committed 9/11. That's why there's a big hoopla over the missing pages of the 9/11 report.
Is it bad that I wanted the Mandalorians to be Maori after Episode II?
Like, I didn't *want* Clone Wars/Rebels/etc to expand on the culture, but if they did I thought it'd be really cool.
Not an sjw, just thought it'd be a cool idea.
>>47372246
What have they expanded on so far? I know there were some episodes of TCW on Mandalore and the old clones showing up in Rebels but don't watch to know what's canon now with the Mandos.
>>47349769
The sexism and racism thing was retconned long before Disney or the "new canon". Basically EU writers taking the nazi analogy too far. The empire however is and almost always has been xenophobic.
>>47349782
The Empire was deliberately given no women or aliens in it, aside from that one sympathizer who was way the fuck in the middle of nowhere. To top it off, we don't really ever see much emotion from them (partially because of all the helmets but not entirely).
The reasoning, as I understand it, was to make them seem kind of sterile and cold and more badguyish, and contrast them to the Rebellion's diversity (though iirc as of ANH we really only saw women, and the different species and skin colors were added in Empire/Return).
>>47372137
Or possibly more like America - it's government stupidly and misguidedly armed and trained terrorists, which may have been done with the best of intentions but ended poorly. The main population either ignores or doesn't know about this fuck up or wether or not it's continuing, and try not to think about it too much.
>>47372478
That would only be if the Empire tried to fund and train the Rebels to fight another strong empire that was enemies to Palp's Empire.
To finally defeat them, but then turn into religious psychopaths who then oppress people worse than ever before and starts to train religious terrorists to strike at Ol' Paply's Empire.
>>47372454
Source on it being deliberate? As I don't recall too many women being shown even in the Rebellion outside of Princess Leia.
>>47372478
To be honest, the civilian population of the Empire is probably relishing it.
I mean, sure it's probably loads more restrictive and over-bearing than the Republic, but at the same time you don't have to worry if your local planetary governor is actually a Hutt plant.
In the Outer Rims you may have to worry about that, but the fucker that made the deal is going to get shut down so stupidly hard if Sheev feels like he needs a convenient fall guy that it boggles the mind.
For the most part, the Empire is performing exactly what it was said to do -bring Order to the Galaxy and ensure the protection and safety of it's people, unlike the Republic that failed at every turn and even failed when there wasn't a turn to be made. The fact that it's mostly an ego project by some old fuck doesn't even register.
>>47372879
The civilian population of the empire are loving the empire for the most part, mostly likely. I was talking about the population of alderaan probably knew little about the whole rebellion funding thing.
>>47349769
If they kept any of the expanded universe, they don't really give two shits as long as you're human.
Good Star Wars stuff for a setting imo:
Episode 4 and 5.
Knights of the Old Republic 1 and 2.
I'm not even sure there's anything wortwhile for setting material outside of those. Old and New EU seems to be a mess of shit and the rest of the movies are garbage as far as the setting is concerned. (that's not to say I don't enjoy them on their own, I just think they actively detract from setting ideas presented in the former stuff)
>>47372911
I find that to be unlikely.
You don't fund the Rebellion, act as a resource cache for said Rebellion; and not have it also be a recruiting world, I would say that there would be a great deal of rumors that everyone knows to be factual.
Mind you, this doesn't justify asploding an entire populated planet filled with hundreds of millions of presumably innocent people that actually like the Empire.
Man, I just realized that Star Wars has down right stupid numbers when it comes to populations, they are either ridiculously high or insanely low.
>>47372997
I'm fond of some EU stuff that extrapolates on the Force.
Y'know, the use and ethics of it that counter-acts Lucas' later hard-liner black and white mentality when it comes to a cosmic force that links all life together and is presumably responsible for sapience developing at all in that Galaxy.
>>47373074
That's sort of why I included KOTOR 2 in there. I figure non-believers and heretics tend to take the stances put forward by Atton Rand and Kreia respectively.
Anything in particular to check out from the EU stuff that does that well?
>>47372911
I dunno, there was a LOT of talk about 'The Rebellion will continue to gain more support in the senate'
Makes it sound like the civilian population of the Empire was sympathetic to them.
>>47366492
>>47373129
It's been so long that I actually read a Star Wars book that I can hardly remember any man, sorry.
>>47372997
Old Republic setting for planets/aliens/corps with their jedi and sith situation combined with the Empire of British snappy dressers is pretty close to my ideal Star Wars setting.
What would be a good replacement for a Sith Emperor though?
>>47373134
It might be my long-standing bias against the New Republic and even the Pre-Empire Republic, but I really think that is less "The civilians are sympathetic to the Rebellion." and more "So I paid these guys in fancy clothes and blackmailed some other dudes."
I mean, it's really only luck that the Zann Consortium and Black Sun shit are EU, otherwise the Rebel Alliance really would just be a puppet considering their main recruiting base are soft criminals and have some very tight ties to the Hutt Cartels.
Though Sheev also had close ties with the Hutts, he also had a Galaxy-spanning Empire and fuckin' magic to make sure the slugs stayed well on their side of the line.
>>47372674
Echo Base, some of the technicians and console operators were women. And RoTJ has Mon Mothma as their leader.
>>47373193Revan.Failing that, Vader gets sent back in time.
>>47373134
I'm sure the comfortable core worlders thought the rebellion was a great idea - much like is happening in rebellions now, the young liberals in safe and educated cities turn their minds to high minded democracy and theories on personal freedom and the rights of men while those out in the badlands, in SW's case the Outer Rim are more interested in the stability and safety the Empire brings rather than the uncertainty of war/rebellion and the violence, crime and instability it brings
>>47373248
Actually, Nu-Canon has the Empire's policy be basically 'Fuck over the outer rim'. So I don't think they like it.
How is the FFG Star Wars game?
>>47373303
Which one?
>>47373247
I mean what would be a good non-Sith replacement for the Emperor.
That way you can have both Jedi and Sith in the Empire but both having clear leanings and support one way or the other without being straight outlawed.
>>47373303
Good from all accounts, but uses its own special dice and may take some getting used to.
>>47373278
Well that makes everything a hell of a lot less nuanced and less interesting from the sounds of it. Don't have much experience with nu-canon to be honest, so I may be wrong.
>>47372997
I'd say Thrawn for competent and likeable Imperials, new-republic infighting and evil not dark side mad jedi, and also something for Compnor (the TIE fighter game maybe?); but even then you have to start cutting some bits.
But good taste otherwise.
>>47373320
Edge of the Empire in particular, but Age of Rebelion and Force and Destiny as well.
>>47373351
>Well that makes everything a hell of a lot less nuanced and less interesting from the sounds of it. Don't have much experience with nu-canon to be honest, so I may be wrong.
The Empire is doing what a lot of big nations do. Exploiting the crap out of areas they have power over but don't count as 'Proper' parts of their territory.
>>47349769
The powers that be are shifting from a white people are evil (which will seriously backfire on all the white and whitish people up at the top who decide who gets loaned the newly printed money,) to a diversity in all media format.
So even the Empire must be diverse.
This hilarious bit of song and dance will at least be slightly realistic as a massive intergalactic empire would probably have significant amounts of different humanoids cooperating/working together.
>>47373341
Make it a straight up Military Dictatorship with the Emperor being a military leader.
Who is the Emperor you may ask?
Peter Cushing.
>>47373422
Didn't Sheev's Human-first tendencies stem from his belief that only humans and human derivatives are worth half a damn when it comes to advancing technology and society?
I mean, Humans were the first to invent/reverse engineer the hyperdrive, the Kuat Drive Yards were built and funded mostly by humans, it was humans that replaced Kolto with easily synthesized bacta, and it was the humans in the Empire that built the first Stellar-Scale movable structure in the galaxy last seen in the fucking Rakkatan Infinite Empire.
>>47373368
Good, equipment is all over the place though, balance is a 7/10, and you'll either hate of love the special dice.
A bit too rule light IMO (got a couple handwaves and approximations), but it got good ideas, like the shared reversible fate points (use one = the gm gains one to use later, and vice versa), and the space combat is solid (especially with small aircraft like X/Y-wings) as long as you aren't copilot (then you have nothing to do).
Also, class trees are only a mean to sell additional books since it's the same talents in a different order. It pains me to see such a transparent move when they got the vastly superior affinity system on their 40k rpg line.
Btw, there is close to no difference between EotE and AoA (FaD is a bit different since the powerlevel is way higher).
>>47349769
The reason that there exists racial conflicts is that people don't like people that are different.
When the difference becomes more apparent when aliens come into the picture, even the most racist hick will feel more in common with a black guy than with an alien with a tentacle head.
They are space Nazis, but the racism is specifically toward non human.
>>47373527
Rules-light is good imo but is it really narrativist (i.e. shite) or are we talking only that fate points thing?
>>47373532
And given a few centuries it's going to be humanoids against non-humanoids.
>>47373474
>Emperor Tarkin
I likes it.
I have a hard time understanding slavery in Sci-fi settings.
Oh, I can understand sexual slavery or status slavery and all that stuff, I just can't understand actual physical labor-slavery when droids and machines are there and are a billion times more cost-effective and three times more efficient.
I mean, it's a case of "Congratulations! You enslaved some Wookies, while physically impressive and smart enough to understand, reproduce, and operate technology, they hate you and you are feeding them constantly, supplying guards and powered cells so they don't get any ideas, having to take at least nominal care of their health and constantly strain against their chains." vs "So you bought some heavy-duty mining drones and trained some foremen, now all you have to do is set up an additional fusion reactor that runs off of the most common set of molecules in the universe and organize a rotating shift of foremen and maintenance guys and you can have the droids operating nigh 24/7 or whatever unit of time measurement is applicable without having to feed them or be wary of them turning on you."
>>47373586
It's really narrativist.
It depends on your DM, but RAW you can use the fate points to Deus Ex Machina (we didn't), the "advice" chapters encourage cooperative story construction, and the conditions are left pretty vague (example: what motivates a difficult [rolling against 4d8] test instead of a normal one with adverse modifiers [rolling against 2d8 and 3d6]? which is pretty important aside from the odds since some gear and talents only affect one kind of die).
>>47373527
The last time I checked(one of the beta/alpha testing pdfs) being Sith/Dark Side was mostly horrendous negatives and very few positives in FaD (admittedly just from only a single read)
Has this changed or is running a Sith apprentice game likely to break a base assumption of the system and make things a lot more difficult?
>>47373697
There's work that can be done by hand that machines take a long time to get ROI that starts turning a profit, and that's if you're an organization that can actually afford to buy said machines and if it's actually available to be bought by you. (banned orgs, illegal to sell high-end machinery on the open market etc)
And of course stealing skilled workers, researchers and so on is self-explanatory.
That's not to say Star Wars is like that but I think that's a decent enough explanation of why Czerka Corporation make use of it. Chances are they're going to have to pay those mercenary wages and medical officers anyway to secure their assets, why not make dealing with slaves part of their pay while they're at it.
>>47373755
Alright. Since i'd be runnin it that's not a huge deal but I guess i'll check it out first. As long as it depends on DM and doesn't descend into outright Forge-faggotry I can probably work it into something decent.
Failing that I guess i'll just use OSR White Star with the Star Wars setting material.
>>47373697
Anti-droid bias following the clone war, risk of droid rebellion (they're sentient and it wouldn't be the first time in SW), risk of industrial espionage (it's harder to download a wookie hard drive).
If we want to get more esoteric, lack of force sensitivity resulting in "colder" designs that are barely inhabitable and result in a drop of productivity in the workplace (bad Qi)
Alternatively, very high droid production cost or lack of industrialized droid production.
>>47373820
Thing is, a year of supporting the worker slaves in question, just from food, medical maintenance and "Housing." would cost more than the automated machines you didn't have the funds to buy.
I'm not talking about captured specialists and scientists, there's loads of reasons for their enslavement, I'm talking about average jack-offs that are captured or born into it and dig rocks.
>>47373382
While enforcing stability in the area, like with Britains colonies.
How has nucannon fucked that up though?
>>47373870
That's really the same reason the west abandoned slavery willingly, it's cheaper to pay someone minimum wage then send them off to fend for themselves than it is to house, feed and clothe slaves + their families.
>>47373779
>marginally safer die (6 chances of obtaining 1 dot, 1 chance of obtaining 2 dots, instead of 2 chances of single dot and 3 chances of double dots)
>decreased strain for increased HP.
>flips one fate point free in favor of the GM.
It's a "please hurt me more" option. With the fate point switch, I would have hoped for way better mechanical advantages in other fields to compensate.
Instead of "power corrupts", the moral of the system is "get fucked".
>>47373846
Yeah it's pretty easy to work with; check the homebrews on the FFG forums and here on /tg/, there are small fixes for most gripes you could have with the system.
Btw, WEG's Star Wars is worth checking IMO, but I'm a huge d6 fag.
I suggest you torrent the app or paint some dice if you don't want to pay an arm and a leg for a bunch of special FFG dice.
Seriously, with $15 a set, you're gonna save enough money to buy a couple books.
>>47374154
Wasn't the whole American Civil war based around the Confederates being rightfully angry that the Union was going to abolish slavery without helping them adjust their infrastructure to accommodate for the new paradigm?
>>47374290
Yep that's what it seemed to me at the time. Which sucks shit since I'd rather avoid homebrewing due to autistic rules adhering players and our best option appearing to be SAGA, which is never a good thing. I guess I'll have a fuck around with how dark side morality works (as I remember it was more about being just an evil monster than the whole selfish grabbing of power) and the strength of dark side powers.
>>47374398
If you roll against WP to prevent fate point flipping when pushing your powers, it works nicely mechanically and from a narrative standpoint, encouraging dark side players to gamble until .
For dark side users only :
Roll against one red die for each light side point you use (example : Push 2, roll WP vs 2 red) for heavy fireworks, Roll against 2 red each time (push 2, roll WP vs 4 red) for more moderate games.
Other than that, yeah, SAGA. Good luck.
>Military Junta of NotBritish Officers and their non-Clone Stormtroopers coups the Old Republic after political threachery, alien powermongering and organized crime infiltration leads to the collapse of galactic infrastructures and the mass starvation of the Core Worlds overreliant on food exports.
>The Junta ruthlessly and mercilessly lines those responsible up against the wall and brings the Galaxy to order once again. Rather than leave the future of the Galaxy in the hands of those proven inept to maintain even a basic standard of living they declare the first Galactic Empire and military leader Tarkin is declared Emperor.
>Jedi and Sith may or may not have had allegiances on both sides of this and are now merely tolerated in Imperial space rather than drivers of Galactic politics but hold several ancestral worlds in their sphere of influence where they can act brazenly. Both may want to influence the Empire more than they currently do and some on both sides may have preferred the more Free and easily Corruptible Republic.
>Rebellion(s) exist, largely sponsored by the remainders of the deposed, corrupt and criminal but driven by the lives of idealistic youths and justifiably embittered survivors of imperial purges.
Howzat sound for an Old Republic x Empire mashup setting?
>>47374608
Dat's way cool.
>>Jedi and Sith may or may not have had allegiances on both sides of this and are now merely tolerated in Imperial space rather than drivers of Galactic politics but hold several ancestral worlds in their sphere of influence where they can act brazenly. Both may want to influence the Empire more than they currently do and some on both sides may have preferred the more Free and easily Corruptible Republic.
Orders of warrior monks with powerful magic, millenia-old traditions and an ideological counterpoint to the new empire?
I'd say they'd try to make them submit and hunt the reluctant ones (though force users would probably stay in control in some worlds outside the imperial sphere of influence).
>>47374847
>Orders of warrior monks with powerful magic, millenia-old traditions and an ideological counterpoint to the new empire?
That'd work, though I also sort of like the idea of the Empire trying to co-opt both religion/traditions and encouraging their own hence the mild tolerance to their presence. (and an excuse why Jedi or Sith might be working for an Imperial goal)
>>47349769
Lack to troops forces them to lower standards
>>47374847
>>47374931
Actually come to think of it they'd probably do both.
Make them submit to the new acceptable ideology where the Empire is at it's head and hunt those who won't submit as heretics.
Tarkin the Henry VIII of the Force.
>>47364478
Not Jewish enough?
>>47374296
That's what they were afraid of, but there wasn't any real chance of it happening anytime soon. It was the "Obama is going to take our guns!" of its day.
>>47373697
One potential explanation could be that increasing productivity by acquiring droids and machines requires a different skill set compared to increasing productivity with slavery. The latter is a lot easier to grasp if you are brutal and callous instead of clever and inventive.
>>47375033
Reminds me of catholic priests under the french revolution.
It didn't turn out as intended and a good chunck managed to rouse their flock into a counter-revolution. But on the other side the french church had an history of messing heavily with politics.
>>47375206
Dunno, they torture droids with branding irons in RotJ. I could see a gammorean guard with an electro-whip "encouraging" mining droids in SW.
>>47375277
>Dunno, they torture droids with branding irons in RotJ. I could see a gammorean guard with an electro-whip "encouraging" mining droids in SW.
The droid torture is so stupid. It makes sense they would have something like a sense of pain, to avoid being damaged. But surely reprogramming is a vastly more effective way to adjust their behavior than punishment.
If you're just a sadist who wants them to suffer, why not have a pain button instead of actually damaging your own property in a torture chamber?
>>47372307
IIRC, Jango was the 'father' of Boba and was identified as Mandalorian back when AotC came out. Seemed like Mandos would be islanders for awhile. In Clone Wars and Rebels, you meet actual Mandos and go to the planet itself where 90% of them are blonde and blue-eyed. When some people raised a stink, Disney retconned it where Jango had "acquired" the armor somehow.
It was kind of a letdown.
>>47349769
>first sith you see in star wars was zabrak
>it obviously means that empire is all racist and nazi
Kek. If anything, humans should suck pureblood's cock as everyone else.
>>47349769
Yes they are. That's why they absorbed BLM.
>>47349769
they only hate aliens
its like how the kkk dosent care if your Swedish,Russian,Scottish or French just as long as your white
>>47349995
>KOS
Some say Kosm
>>47349769
Disney had a big problem of people accusing them of racism and so they got a box ticker director and writer and made them auto include stuff so people wouldn't call them racist like they did George lucas and it would appease all the members of the audience, hence the new diversity in the media (books, movies, tv shows).
instead of George Lucas going "I am going to tell a story regardless of if you like it or not and do what i want and pay for it it myself" the director and writers just said "ok people will like it more if we do this this and this"
>>47352548
there is that whole part about how at the start the Empire parked Star Destroyers over warring planets and said "play nice or die" and basically forced the galaxy to accept imperial peace
a few of those planets didn't want imperial peace so the empire made them rest in peace
then during the end of the empire they were subjugating the outer rim a place notorious for crime and lawlessness. EU also talks about how they had wiped out all the major crime bosses in the inner rim and most of the mid rim world and it was only the outer rim that was a problem. Black Sun was only allowed to remain because it allied with the Empire and provided them with information, when they no longer needed them they were going to dispose of them, the "subjugation of planets" was them getting rid of corrupt police and paramilitary organisations and instead use stormtroopers, which they would also recruit from the planet itself. they did this because pirates would invade and people would argue over red tape instead of stopping the pirates. the enslaved other planets and forced them to work for the benefit of the empire which in turn benifeted the galaxy. the emperor even used his force agents to weed out the more corrupt elements in his own empire...
meanwhile the rebellion had terrorists that bombed cities, pirates that raided civilains and other criminals who joined because they wanted to rebel, not because of any particular ideology
then they retconned it
