First for sexy SoB and thread wars!

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>>47329327
Silence! This thread is undead!

So a Frag Cannon and a Heavy Flamer is better for Furioso than Blood Talons?

the slightly older new threas with more posts in it is here
>>47329210

no point splitting eveyone up.

>>47329412

REEEEE OLDTHREAD SCUM GET OUT

REMOVE SKUB

>>47329412
Kill yourself.

What games do you plan on doing soon? Any new models that your getting ready to build?

Roboute Guilliman is the best primarch.

Anybody have any predictions about when a new CSM dex will come out so being a traitor won't be suffering?

>>47329471
More like the blandest

>>47329466
I'm doing my best to assemble and paint the remainder of my Chaos force. They've been sitting around for a while, but I've promised myself that I won't start on anything else until it's done.

We had so many threads with the paneled image that were great.
Go check, hardly any OP images related shitposting

>>47329490
>he doesn't need a retarded gimmick to succeed or stand out

That means he's the best, just like Horus.

>>47329466
I need to paint my second dreadknight. But I'm getting really tired of painting marines and leadbelcher. I honestly don't know how hoard armies, or armies with lots of vehicles paint their stuff without dying from boredom.

>>47329539
Horus had so much potential... Too bad he wasn't smart enough to keep himself from being a pawn of chaos. Imagine if he instead reigned in the chaos gods powers and then didn't betray the emperor.

>>47329510
It pleased everybody bar the autistic ones who want to post whatever and shitpost.

It's so stupid. The general image is fine. The panelled one is great. It's easy to spot and it's recognisable. That's it. It means people who don't want to be here, don't click on by mistake.

>>47329479
If the rumours are right

Warzone: Fenris (Part 2)

Which will include updates for:

Rubric Marines.

Which will lead the way to CSM revamp.

Whether or not CSM is linked to a Warzone book (CSM vs SoB + Catachan would be amazing, SoB fight Chaos scum, Marbo can be re-introduced or die heroically ARRRGHHHHing everybody) is unknown.

The other shit is Jean Steelers Codex and Deathwatch Codex (Thank fucking Christ, wanted this for years).

>>47329479
>implying it won't somehow be WORSE.

Hope is the first step on the road to lol it's gonna be shit.

>>47329479
Its called 30k, go play that.

^_^

So, playing against a friend of mine who likes Chaos Space Marines soon. He's been trying to up his game with Renegades and Heretics, but it's still Chaos, y'know? I'm wondering what you all think of this, for 2000 points?

++ Imperial Fists 2000 ++

+ Sternhammer +

5 Assault Marines: 110
- Flamer
- Drop Pod

3 Grav Centurions: 500
- Land Raider Crusader

Chaplain: 110
- Digital Weapons
- Angel of Sacrifice (Crozius that lets him attack even if he's killed in overwatch/before his init)

10 Tactical Marines: 160
- Meltagun
- Combi-Melta
- Drop Pod

10 Tactical Marines: 160
- Meltagun
- Combi-Melta
- Drop Pod

10 Tactical Marines: 165
- Plasmagun
- Combi-Plasma
- Rhino

5 Devastators: 150
- 4 Lascannons

5 Devastators: 110
- 4 Heavy Bolters

5 Devastators: 130
- 4 Missile Launchers

+ Combined Arms Detachment +

Librarian: 90
- Bones of Os'Rak (+1 Warp Charge, can reroll psychic tests)
- ML2

5 Scouts: 70
- Sniper Rifles
- Camo Cloaks

5 Scouts: 70
- Sniper Rifles
- Camo Cloaks

Imperial Bunker: 115
- Ammo Store
- Ammunition Dump
- Void Shield

The idea is the Devs hang out on/in the bunker, while the drop podding marines create a line between him and it. If he can break the line, he can get the delicious candy inside into close combat.

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>>47329592
>Warzone: Fenris (Part 2)


UGH
G
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>>47329670
What? Shield of Baal got two. Damocles got two. That means Fenris will get two.

Why are you surprised? They use it to release stuff together. As I said, this time it's Rubric Marines update (apparently, which makes sense). Followed by CSM update.

Confused why you're shocked.

>we're doing two threads and arguments episode

I'm sick of these re-runs and I don't know which channel to watch.

>>47329689

Who said anyone was shocked?

>>47329661
,':)

>>47329710
You're disgusted, but that's like being disgusted of your own shit when you knew it was coming out.

>>47329720
Yeah, but its more like watershit where you were hoping for some solids but ended up with a liquid.

>>47329741
where*

>>47329741

Not really, the first shit (Part 1) came out, you knew you weren't done and you have only eased the blockage. You knew the 2nd part was coming. So you shouldn't have been expecting watershit at all, just the same old.

You knew it was going to happen, you knew a popular army wouldn't be ignored. Fuck knows what will happen though, anon.

>>47329720
You're not disgusted by your own shit? Shit is shit, dude.

>>47329788
Not really, it's shit, we all poop. Even apples, according to the famous book "Everybody poops".

>>47329786
>you just took a shit, but you know you'll need to take one later
>whatever, it's fine, at least you got the first one out of the way so you can get a bit of stuff done. we'll worry about that second shit when it comes around
>second shit arrives after you forgot about it/sooner than you thought

What would you first reaction be to this? Probably SW

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How could we turn the Scions into an army of their own without adding Inquisitors ? Add Vendetta and meele Scions ?

Also is there any reason to take the Commisar instead of a Command squad in a CAD list ?

>>47329797
So you're saying you would be fine reaching in the toilet and smearing your shit all over your face? You should be at least somewhat disgusted by your own feces. It's an ingrained survival instinct to stay away from unsanitary and dangerous things that cause disease and death, that humans haven't out-evolved.

>>47329806
commissar is cheaper and thats about it

>>47329816

HOW DID THIS TURN INTO A POOP FETISH DISCUSSION

>>47329806
Making them a shock and awe kind of army. Give Scions some sort of Orbital deployment where each scion can be "deepstriked" onto the table for 5 points each and don't count as having been moved or deepstriked. Make all vehicles have outflank. Give them faster vehicles.

>>47329820
No one is fine with that. The reason being the unpleasant smell and social normative programing causing stimulated sickness during the act before sterilization and constant exposure. Now, on the other hand: It's a factor of life. You have to deal with it. No need to go "EW, YUCKY" every time you go poop.

>>47329806
>vendetta and other variants
>scion drop Sentinels
>infiltrating CC scions
>heavy/special weapon scions
>shrouded till they fire their hotshot long-las scions
>more weapon variety-instead of hotshot lasguns, make an s3 ap5 assault 3 12" version that can be bought for an entire unit and similar wargear options
>Leman Russ Conquerors
>Rapiers and similar portable artillery
>Tauros Venators and such
>Fast light superheavy a la the malcadors, preferably not amazingly good but not stompa-tier either
>Lord Commissars having officer rules
>option to take inquisitors, fuck you

>>47329866

So what you're saying is you admit it's disgusting but try to claim it's not.

>>47329839
>Give them faster vehicles.
They have a flier and a Fast transport vehicle.

They already have enough deep strike, they should get more unit choices.

>>47329806
They were, it was called Elysian Drop Infantry.

>>47329570
time
also the reason why I have 3 armies in 'production'

>>47329902
I don't mean deep strike. I mean a rapid deployment. Something that gets them onto objectives before anyone else and then fortify. It's a niche that hasn't really been filled by many. A turn 1 deployment.

>>47329806
Someone asked on the Facebook page if they can officially take forgeworld stuff. If it's given a green light then they'll have access to fast leman russes and stuff. Though if you're using a vulture with them there's nothing to stop you from already taking these units

Also give the Commissar a Voice of Command upgrade option

Let sergeants take melta bombs

Let Tempestor Primes take a refractor field

Pretty much take the commissar if you're only bringing scions for cheap deep striker's and slap him in a squad that could benefit from stubborn

>>47329941
>mp4

You won't fool me into clicking that scat porn video of some dude rubbing shit in his face!

>>47329806
choice of infiltrating or deep-striking
option to buy their pistols back
option to take units as "platoons" (0-2 command squads, 1-5 scion squads) in troops, and introducing a proper HQ unit that can issue multiple orders a turn

Vultures and Sentinels for some extra heavy weapons alongside the taurox prime and valk.

That's it.

>>47329590
>Too bad he wasn't smart enough to keep himself from being a pawn of chaos

Yeah, too bad he couldn't outwit the cosmic scheming of unfathomable intelligences that exist outside of his plane of existence that he didn't even know existed, and had him in his grip long before they made their existence known to him.

>>47329903
I wish they would update them for the current edition or make them completely separate from the regular IG codex so that they're not stuck with outdated or not working rules within a year or two.
>>47329934
Air support from FW would be cool, same with quickly deployed turrets but tanks or other slower vehicles don't fit them. Those Elysian buggies on the other hand...

>>47330033
oh also

Bringing back the "special mission" rules as some sort of chapter-tactics/doctrina imperative equivalent. That would be pretty neat.

>>47329570
>>47329907

Yeah I'm struggling through the last few models in a Nurgle Daemon army. It took me 6 weeks to do
21 Nurglings
40 Plaguebearers
GUO and 2 Heralds
3 Plague Toads + Riders

12 plague Drones and it's complete. I have 6 done in 3 weeks, I can hardly bring myself to finish, so close to the end.
Why does this happen. It happened with my IG army too. last few units take as long as the rest of the army did.

>>47329689
>Damocles got two

Actually, three.

>>47330113
>GUO

I pity you, theyre so hard to do well

>>47330130
Three? Mont'ka and Kauyon or whatever, what was the other one?

>>47329327
>thread war

welp, just gonna repost this army list then. Pls tell me if its garbo
Revised Exorcists/GK list from yesterday.

EXORCISTS - 986

White Scars Tactics

HQ - Librarian - 90
Mastery Level 2

TROOPS - Tactical Squad - 95
Gravgun
Combigrav
DT: Rhino - 35

TROOPS - Tactical Squad - 95
Plasmagun
Combiplasma
DT: Rhino - 35

TROOPS - Scout Squad - 74
Camo Cloaks
4x Sniper Rifles
1x Missile Launcher
DT: Land Speeder Storm - 40

TROOPS - Scout Squad - 74
Camo Cloaks
4x Sniper Rifles
1x Missile Launcher
DT: Land Speeder Storm - 40

FAST ATTACK - Bike Squad - 93
2x Gravgun

HEAVY SUPPORT - Devastators - 280
4x Grav Cannons
+5 Marines
DT: Rhino - 35
NEMESIS STRIKE FORCE - 510

HQ - Librarian - 110

TROOPS - Terminators - 195
Incinerator
2x NDH

HEAVY SUPPORT - Nemesis Dreadknight - 205
Heavy Psycannon
Nemesis Greatsword
Personal Teleporter


1496/1500


I might drop the scouts + speeders for deepstriking melta Scion Command squad and volleygun squad, situation depending. To bring it up to 1850 I'll bring:

HQ - Ordo Malleus Inquisitor - 80
Terminator Armor
Psycannon

Elites 1 - 50
Psyker
Jokaero Weaponsmith
Acolyte Bolter

Elites 2 - 160
7x Crusader
2x DCA
Ministorum Priest

Chimera - 60
2x Heavy Bolter
Psybolts

>>47330175
Not him but maybe Forgeworld?

>>47329884
This pretty much.

Their theme should be along the lines of "Navy SEALs in space."

>>47329918
So... give them a unit with a Scout move then?

>>47330113
are you the guy that posts on /wip/ and has that great stuff?

>>47330219
Something a bit more. Maybe infiltrate?

>>47330175
1-Warzone Damocles
2-Warzone Damocles "Kauyon"
3-Warzone Damocles "Mont'ka".

>>47330219
Not that guy but it would be cool if you could decide during deployment what rule each unit gets. Guys who you deploy normally get Scout, guys which you don't deploy normally get Infiltrate and guys which you keep in reserves get Deep Strike.

>>47330130
>>47330175
>>47330255
Four if you count the Burning Dawn/Operation Shadowtalon boxed set mini-booklet (Now in the MEGA). It introduces one of the characters who takes a knife for Shadowsun at the end.

There's also a few novels, I think.

>>47330194
>sneaky covercamping scouts with a ml
>and a DT
why for
>single bikesquad
pretty weaksauce
>Devsquad
gravcannons are too expensive and unreliable outside of skyhammer, i've found, but if they do get to unleash their firepower they're amazing. Your choice
>ML2 lib
its shit, free up 25 points every single time
>termies
good
>Dreadknight
good, if you can give it an incinerator too its even better

>scions instead
make up your mind

>that entire inquisition
absolutely_disgusting.jpg
inquisitor is decent but you're paying a premium for a t6 humie and a psycannon
>elite 1
dies if a tac squad looks sideways at it. Drop the monkey, take 11 acolytes with stormbolters instead for a not-awful thing. Monkeys are overpriced to buggery unless you're cruising around in a chimera, and even then they're iffy
>elite 2
Pricey, low-t assault unit that isnt even in an assault transport

I would scrap your entire Inquisition force idea, or just take an inquisitor

>>47329644
Not nearly enough chaos.
Wheres the cultist?
Wheres the spawn?
Wheres the daemonic shit?
And reminder you can only play against autistic 30k players who have more money than sense.
No offense.

>>47330255
I just checked. There two main books were Kauyon and Mont'ka. The first one only pops up the collectors edition.

The only other supplements were the Starter Force of SG vs Tau, which were mini-ones.

>>47330255
>>47330305
Wait, I forgot the Apoc Zone one. I don't think I've got it.

Okay, hear me out. This is how we make Scions great again. Deep striking formations!. They take a -1 penalty ontop of any bonus/penalty and deepstrike without scatter onto any friendly unit. 80 points and you can call down an aegis defense line around an objective that your guys are camping. 100 points for a 2 shield void shield generator. 30 points for tank traps.

>>47330338
>Deep striking formations

My phone auto-corrected this from fortifications.

>>47330323
>>47330255
Wasn't the Apocalypse one just called Damocles? Wasn't that all combined into Kauyon and Mont'ka? It doesn't seem to be on sale any more so I assume that.

>>47330286
When I was originally talking bout it, I meant major supplement books. Damocles got 2, if you ignore the starter set unique ones and the Apocalypse one which I think has been discontinued.

So Space Wolves finishing it, isn't a surprise.

>>47330338
anything heavier than sentinels or sentry turrets would be completely out of place

>>47330368
Stuff like the Leman Russ Conqueror fits, i think

>>47330368
Its just defensive structures. Nothing too heavy. Maybe the void shield generator being the heaviest.

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>>47329626
If it gets any worse i'll just play counts as Space Marines.

But I will say it and tempt fate, HOW COULD IT POSSIBLY GET WORSE?

I've played CSM since 4th and the only time i've had any faith in my army was for about three months after the 6th ed codex came out. Every other day I know i'm going to have to climb a mountain of glass and pray to the ficklest of the dice gods in order to win.

What could they do?
Drop the Baleflamer to AP4?
Make VOTLW 3pts?
Drop the black mace?
Kill competitive Spawn?
None of these make the codex so much worse than is already is. I honestly can't think of any other codex worst that CSM and its been that way for almost 3 editions. So go ahead Kelly, Ward whoever make the worst codex even worse I doubt well even notice as the Taudar keep turning friendly game stores into angry game stores.

>>47330338
>>47330380
>>47330368
I meant fortifications, guys.

Did anybody upload

"The Young Wolf's Return" somebody gave me a link, think it was Carnac, but I didn't seem to bookmark it.

There were glider delivered tanks in RL, so I don't think it would terribly out of place to drop Taurus or Hellhound variants. Devil Dogs would be a pretty good alternative version of Dreadnoughts.

>>47330393
Ward left GW, I believe. Memers claim people threatened his life due to his rules.

Either way, you gotta keep prodding. Waiting for an update is always better than actually getting it. As it's usually disappointing. I await the day it happens for SoB.

>>47330338
>>47330395
A full-on fortification might be a bit much, but dropping in some pylons with small walls beside them could be neat.

You don't need to fully bubble-wrap a point with walls, but giving a bit of cover in a direction could be nice.

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Speaking of Elysians, can I get a clarification on of their rules ? Specifically the
>(and any units embarked upon them)
Does this mean that units embarked upon the Valkyries count when calculating how many units are deep striking ? IE Valkyrie with a Veteran squad counts as two units and you need to have say, two Drop Sentinels to deep strike them turn one ?

>>47330338
>>47330413
Hmm...maybe instead of a full aegis, you could call down just a single section of one?

It would function the same, but be much smaller unless you brought in several.

>>47330299
Landspeeders are to get the scouts into objectives/sniping positions and then go be a nuisance shooting things and drawing fire. Not worth the points I'm guessing?

Thanks for the advice. I'll drop the ML2 and might switch the devs to lascannons (but I'll check with a playtest). I may eventually investigate skyhammer too.

>>47330441
Not worth the points and you want sniper scouts to be in ruins for 3+ cover in your own backfield, not capping points.

I was saying give the gk Librarian ML3 and keeping your ML2 SM lib, by dropping your landspeeders and such. Psychic supremacy is genuinely excellent to have

>>47330407
>>47330368

Drop Sentinel squads would be a neat addition. They're definitly light enough to be flown in, and could give a bit more punch to a Tempestus force.

>>47330411
6th ed CSM is a massive step up from 4th ed CSM. It would have been great if the power creep didn't go up so fast with the Xenos armies and if SM weren't so heavily undercosted.

>>47330380
still a russ, man

A plastic vulture would be something I would buy for scions. Maybe even a light tank like the hellhound, but an MBT? just feels off.

>>47330469
Alright.

Actually, I could also bring a Psyker Inquisitor too. And cheap denial dice alongside some bolter tarpit dudes from the same codex.

>>47330480
>Drop Sentinel squads would be a neat addition

Already exist. Run Armoured battlegroup or that one drop troop guardsmen legion to get them

>>47330491
Its actually a lightened version of the russ tank.

>>47330469

Camo cloaks aren't worth the 10 points IMO. If your enemy doesn't have Ignores Cover, which is very common, your scouts are no more durable than tactical marines. And tactical marines aren't exactly durable.

>>47330491
Fast russ though, i could see a bunch of tauroxes and three conquerors doing a surgical strike against an enemy supply line or such. It suits the ground-assault archetype pretty well, i feel
>>47330509
Yes, but they also fit the fluff for scions and would be nice to have as an option for a better codex

So far, I count 19 Tau GW Datasheets that aren't in the codex/farsight supplement.
>5 Burning Dawn (Out of Print)
>5 Tidewalls from Kauyon
>Ethereal Council, Riptide Wing, and Ghostkeel Wing from Mont'ka
>Tidewall Rampart from limited release (Out of print)
>Tidewall Counterstrike Cadre from limited web release (Out of Print)
>Ethereal Honour Guard from Start Collecting
>2 replacement flyers and 1 replacement formation from Death From The Skies

Am I missing any?

>>47330554
Yes. It's called the final Death Litany of 40k.

>>47330518
>>47330525
thing is, you might as well just play guard if you want russes. Scions already have a light battle cannon platform, so don't really have a place for the conqueror.

sents that can get dropped alongside the infantry make sense. Maybe even cyclopses or tarantulas for some supplemental firepower that they can bring with them, but russes just can't keep pace.

>>47330589
but thats the thing, the conquerer CAN keep the pace, its a Fast Tank. What you lose in variety and adaptability (no other patterns of russes available, weaker main gun) you gain in speed and being able to actually use sponsons.

>>47330588
I don't get it.

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>>47330153
Yeah, tough but hella fun to paint. I have to go back add a bit of shadow. Just gonna lightly spray some dark green/black thru a .2
>>47330222
Idk if its great, but ty anon. Also:
>checked

>>47329806
Port some Elysians-stule rules and units to them. Some more air support would be nice. Also more specialised types of scions maybe?

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>>47329806
Oh and the ability for the sergeants to carry a rifle like the rest of his guns, fuck this mandatory sword and pistol bullshit
And call them Stormtroopers again

>>47330664
Man it kills me that GUO arent worth running.
Str D was the worst thing that happened to 40k

so can you technically mount bikes in a transport?

>>47330664
>>47330657
yeah you're the guy. your stuff really makes me to pick up nurgle to paint in my offtime. I'm struck between daemons or tyranids. I'm the typical grey knight fag in the /wip/ threads.

>>47330605
And it'll finally be relevant again.

>>47330338
I really like the idea of scions as a core army, but they have too few units to really work.

Right now every unit but the commissar has to double or triple up in its role to be effective.

If you take a knight, an inquisitorial detachment, and scions as your core detachment (either a formation or a CAD, your choice) I wonder how much better they'd be.

>>47330673
scion sergeants with power fists look so cool but there is really zero reason to ever give them a power fist

>>47330693
RAW unless the transport or unit says no, yes you can

>>47330738
>a knight, an inquisitorial detachment, and scions
I've done GK, 25 scions and a Knight and done decently up until tau happened to me

>>47329479
CSM already got their update in the form of reprints of their old supplements with some new rules sprinkled on top.

NPC factions can only get one update a year, tops

>>47330760
Csm got 2

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>>47329592
>Warzone: Fenris (Part 2)
A new Deathwing formation C'MOOOOOOON

>Whether or not CSM is linked to a Warzone book (CSM vs SoB + Catachan would be amazing, SoB fight Chaos scum, Marbo can be re-introduced or die heroically ARRRGHHHHing everybody) is unknown.
A Pandorax v2 would be cool, with Grey Knights, Dark Angels and Sisters of Battle on one side and Daemons, Chaos Space Marines and traitor Imperial Guards on the other.

>>47330759
even having a knight kind of feels like a crutch though, and I get really paranoid any time a single unit costs more than 300 points

all it takes is some drop podding or infiltrating melta and your 300+ point model goes back in the box

>>47330779
aside from the reprints on their supplements, what else did they get this year?

honestly I am really shocked that Orks actually got a new model this year.

>>47330673
>call them Stormtroopers again

Why would you call them that when they never where those to begin with? Scions have their own fluff. Storm troopers are just an optional thing in different codexes. You can have them in an Armoured Battlegroup.

>>47330804
2 reprints.

hey guys, i wanna get into 40k. im mostly in it for the model painting but having a game to play with my little plastic army men seems great too

how do i have the LEAST bad time possible if i wanna play mono-god nurgle

>>47330738
>scion sergeants with power fists look so cool but there is really zero reason to ever give them a power fist
How about punching stuff ?

>>47330840
Play monogod nurge and don't use chaos space marines.

>>47330790
>Catachans
Please no. "Muh supermen on steroids, even a stillborn catachan can wrestle 3 hive tyrants on a bad day while sneaking past eldar rangers and being injected 3 marihuanas."
And then you bring them to table and they are some t3 t-shirt saved manlets. Fuck Catachans, give me any reasonable jungle fighters instead.

>>47330760
You mean mediocre formations for medicore supplements on a shit codex?

It doesn't matter how well you bedazzle it, the basic pieces are still garbage unless they're gonna give CSM the formation to end all formations it will only give them something to hobble on.

>>47330814
I guess? honestly all the new rules split between the two reprints could have been fit on a page or two, but they were reprinted separately so they could be 33 dollars each, Of all the formations anyway, only a handful are actually usable.

That pretend decurion looks really cool until you realize it is over 2000 points with no upgrades at all making it unusable outside of apocalypse

>>47330855
They used to have ambush rules.

>>47330840
Basically just play Nurgle Daemons and then slap minimum cultists and a shit ton of nurgle bikers. T6 bikers are amazing, and you need them in your life.

>>47330851
they are only s6 with the power fist

is a single s6 ap2 attack at I1 really worth the points?

>>47330865
Doesn't change the fact that their lore is more retarded than Draigo^5

>>47330867
nurgle spawn are good too

fast, hella wounds, hella tough

>>47330840
Plague drones are decent and come in the get started box.

Plague bikers

Plague zombies

Plague hulks

Maybe a The Purged detatchment for shredding flamers and rockets that pollute the ground

>>47330673
>And call them Stormtroopers again
it's the adeptus astartes/space marine split again

the dogs of the munitorum having a funky faux-latin title makes sense

What weapons would be best for outflanking devs with ignores cover?

MultiMeltas? Or just more Grav.

>>47330906
depends on your meta,

plasma for style
grav for substance
melta for if that leman russ is an eyesore and must be removed from your sight

>>47330881
>Land raiders and speeders are names due to the fact that the founder of the STCs was named Arkham Land.
>Orks believe that colors have properties that enhance objects.
>Nork D-dog bullies orks
>Pask is a douche (as of new tau lore) and uses friendly tanks as meat shields for his own tank.
>Slaneesh is a tranny
>Administratum once declared a dead legion heretics after they didn't show up for deployment.

You must be new to 40k

>>47330933
>>Pask is a douche
TAU PROPAGANDA :^)

>>47330933
>Pask is a douche (as of new tau lore) and uses friendly tanks as meat shields for his own tank.
not sure why since he seems to have thousands of clones of himself

fuck you google fuck your click until there are none left captchas they are buggy and don't work fuck fuck fuck fuck

>>47330933
>Makes sense
>Orks believe =/= truth
>Nobs bullies boyz, Ogryn is way huger than nob
>Imperial officers don't care about their subjects is the norm
>Slanny has been s/he for forever
>Administratum fucks things up because impossible bureaucratic machine with really clunky data network

Your examples are shit and I've probably played 40k longer than you have.
Catachan lore is shit and only gets free pass because muh BALLS OF STEEL and RAMBO!!! and for the fact that Catachans don't play any major role in anything.

>>47330969
seriously this new recaptcha shit is fucking awful takes ten times longer to solve and is buggy af how could they release a product so bad

>>47330985
Okay friendo. Going to hate on a unit in a 40k universe of blown out proportions from a time period where guard were known as "Cool guys with sunglasses" and Rambo style soldiers fit in the hair metal theme at the time. Go ahead. Enjoy your Tau "pureness"

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>>47329271
Miniwargaming power rankings:
>Matt
4/10
pros: makes some cool senarios/tables, loves fluff
cons: mormon, ugly, sets up games to favor himself, whines a lot, puts his company on a pedastool
>Dave
6/10
pros: outgoing and loves the hobby, plays fluffy and makes cool senarios
cons: mormon, loud, annoying, sometimes super fucking annoying
>Steve
7/10
pros: pretty chill, loves the hobby, willing to play fluffy or stronger lists, good natured
cons: plays necrons, and eldar a lot, sometimes sloppy, sometimes takes cheese when opponent isn't
>Quirk
7/10
pros: the chillest guy on the planet, never gets mad at losing or gloats when winning, not ugly
cons: sometimes boring personality, feels like he's going through the motions, takes terrible lists and messes up rules more than others
>Josh
5/10
pros: good painter, plays different games
cons: doesn't know rules well at all, annoying at times
>Lee
7/10
pros: amazing painter and has cool custom armies, chill, looks badass
cons: too quiet, sometimes mumbles, doesn't do his own battle reports
>Chris
8/10
pros: amazing painter, super chill, amazing voice to listen to while painting, loves the hobby side of it
cons: doesn't seem to play at all, doesn't do battle reports or guests in them
>Jeneane
6/10
pros: paints great, kinda cute
cons: just paints

Former Miniwargaming Ratings
>Leland
8/10
>Cooler
5/10
>Ash
6/10
>Jay
9/10
>Dan
9/10

And there is the problem with Miniwargaming now. They have a lot of average dudes that just aren't that interesting or get annoying.

prospective tau army builder here.

Im a bit uncertain about some of the weapon configuration options for the battlesuits and the commander., the codex says that they can choose up to three, and in the case of the commander, up to four ranged weapons, but my understanding is that the twin linked variants take up two of these options, so does that mean that the commander, who gets four can have a twin linked weapon and then select two support systems? i would assume that selecting more than 2 weapons doesn't make sense because they only have two arms for weapons.

the codex also says "Any Crisis Bodyguard/The Commander may take items from the Signature Systems list" with no reference to limit so *theoretically* could i have an absolutely bling Commander who has upgraded body armor and a shield generator and can enable his unit to reroll missed hits and ignore cover while also self destructing when killed? not saying this is a worthwhile use of points but any ideas for multiple signature system items being used would be interesting.

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This is what the avg. tau player looks/acts like. Prove me wrong.

>>47331212
>Personality:plays to win
>yellow like the poster boy tau figures

Seems about right.

>>47331193
sometimes i feel like a nerd for playing 40k but at least now i know im not the kind of guy that writes these fucking posts

>>47330790
>A new Deathwing formation C'MOOOOOOON

>You gain one additional Orbital Bombardment for each Deathwing unit in your army. These Orbital Bombardments may only be targeted at Faction: Space Wolf units.

>>47331212
>beats by dre

>>47331193
>knowing all these dudes

I watch them occasionally, only guy i have any real opinion on is that fat guy who plays like only lizardmen in warhammer fantasy. He seems like a cool dude.

Is he steve? I think he plays a lot of necron

>>47330924
Well my army is all about style, meta is fairly tame as we have a ganrlemans agreement to give fair warning if we'll be using cheese or superheavies.

If missile launchers weren't so shit and marines could take grenade launchers as special I'd be using that.

>>47331212
>Age:35

Getting some Chris-chan vibes.

>>47331267
maybe one day chris-chan will move on from pokemon to minions

>>47331212
Cannot unsee his Hitler stache.

>>47331263

Missile Launchers are only shit because they're 15 points. Same with plasma pistols. If they were still free/5-10 points they'd be amazing.

If GW really expected marine players to not immediately remove all infantry ML upgrades from their list after basically charging them all 10+ points AND expects us to pay 10 for flakk, they're more retarded than they let on.

>>47331298
Yup.
Hell I'd pay 15 maybe even 20 if flakk was included.

Never done wargaming shit before, but 40k is arguably the most popular thing these days. I'm thinking of going to the LGS and watching people play to see if maybe they can show me the game and to check to see how rancid the smell gets in there when the locals are around.
Is there a good "how to get started" guide somewhere? Stereotypes to avoid? Thinking of getting the Start Collecting Skitarii box if I decide to play.

>>47331398

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpH7jGrXlTQ

Couple editions out of date, but the basic game actions like walking forward, rolling dice to shoot, hit, melee, etc are all still the same.

Walks through the major meat of the game that is moving, shooting, and melee in a simple manner on screen.

Multi-part video. Once you watch these and understand the game is just about rolling dice and comparing results on a chart, the rest of the huge, complicated rulebook really just becomes little modifications as to how you move or shoot or attack.

>>47330985
>i've probably played 40k longer than you have

Son, I've been playing this game for longer than you've been alive.

>>47331201
They can mount weapons on their shoulders. Hypothetically, you could have a Commander with 2 pairs of twin-linked weapons, such as a plasma rifle on each arm and each shoulder.

However, something to keep in mind is that they can only fire 2 guns in a shooting phase, so even if you gave a crisis suit a missile pod, fusion blaster, and flamer, they could only fire 2 at any given time. A twin-linked weapon only counts as firing one though, which is why a commander with double twin-linked weapons can shoot both.

Other than that, you have it right. A commander can easily get a twin-linked weapon and 2 support systems.

As for signature systems, you're right in that they don't take up slots on the Bodyguard and Commander, though I believe there is a limit to how many you can take.

fucking gravcannons man. its almost impossible to make a good space marines list without them.

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Would this type of soldier be passed off as a guardsmen? So long as you give him/her a lasgun?

>>47331671
Depends on the general ability to mass produce or mass conscript that kind of soldier and how cheaply and casually he could be disposed of. Otherwise he might be more of a Scion or possibly even an assassinorum agent.

Mostly though, he's probably a minor or space laborer.

>>47331664
Literally just use plasma

>>47331671

Seems like stormtrooper/MT but sure you could say it's a hazardous environment cadian equivalent.

>>47331298
This just in: something too expensive for it's effect is bad

welcome to literally the first pillar of game balance my man

Is it possible to make a non-cheesy Eldar list?

>>47331664
>Impossible to min-max without them
Fixed it for you

>>47331822
Skip Scatterbikes, D weapons and limit your use of Warp spiders.

>>47331780
fucking this. Jesus, if something is bad then by definition in 40k the item costs too much for what it does.

>>47331849
Or it shares slot with something that does its job better/does a job noone needs done.

how common are flyers used in 500/750pt matches?

should i have a dedicated anti air unit or is it not needed?

Can i make a humble request for people to post any 40k "feels good" pictures please, thats the smiling dude with hands on his face, there s the Dangel, braven and khorne one i know of, thanks!

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>>47331929
No but you can have this propaganda instead.

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>>47331929
Your incredible awkwardness leads me to believe youre some redditor who's "daring" to post on 4chan but sure, okay.

>>47330682
>all S:D instead becomes S10 AP1 with the special rule "destroyer" - rolls to wound ignores invuls, rolls to pen grants +2 to the vehicle damage chart
Better?

I hate S:D but I hate those faggots with 3++ with rerolls even more. They are the reason S:D is even needed in the first place.

Not that my army has good access to the D, since that is apparently something imperials and Eldar should keep for themselves. The faggots.

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>>47331916
Depends on your opponent and his faction.

Eldar, Deldar, SoB, AdMech and Tau are the lest likely to bring them <1000 points

Daemons/Csm/Nids are the most likely to bring a single.

Orks and IG might being one or not, Marines will almost only bring them as part of a fornation.

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>>47331929
And some more

>>47330858

"Dark Crusade: All units in this formation get +1 to all stats.".
That might do something...

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>>47331929
Join the guard, it is your destiny.

>>47332003
++Are capped at 4 for regular units.
HQ and Special charactes capped at 3++

>>47332003
AP2 and 3 need to become less common, Ignores Cover needs to become far less common, rerollable Invulns and Cover need to become far less common, S:D and Stomps and all other non-Instant Death removes from play effects need to fuck off.

So in a previous thread I posted this short story I wrote and read. It got "rave reviews" Only two people replied and they both hated it. so I figured I'd post it here to display my shame and hope for some input.

Before you say anything, yes, edgy, I know. It's the grimdark, it's pretty much to be expected. It's from the perspective of a sanctioned psyker.
Anyway, here you go: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHj3uRpzSzE

Let me have it, /tg/. I can't get better without feedback.

>>47332042
>all instant death

I feel like the double strength over toughness instant death is fine.

>>47332023
>>47331916
Note that Daemons, Tyranids, and, to a slightly lesser extent, CSM will probably be bringing a FMC that will often be on the ground anyways.

>>47331988

Just trying to be excessively polite so people feel that way inclined, thanks, have some reddit gold

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Why aren't you man enough to play IG?

Why are there no wraithlord characters?

With all the named dreads out there I wouldnt mind just one.

>>47331193
C'mon, Matt is at least an 8/10

He's the one that makes the campaigns and create rules for custom scenarios, which are frankly very good.

Him alone is the sole responsible for bringing the idea of Narrative Campaign back into the general 40k audience.

Now when I organize a Narrative Campaign with the casual and new players, instead of hearing "What's that? How does that work?" i hear "Cool, like MWG!".

Makes things easier.

>>47331849
Not just 40k. One of the core tenets of capitalism is that there are no bad products, just bad prices. Beats By Dr Dre IEMs are garbage at $75, but pretty good for $3 in a white box.

>>47332056
Reread what I wrote. I'm talking about non-Instant Death rules that cause models to be removed from play or otherwise slain regardless of Eternal Warrior.

Instant Death should be knocked down to D3 wounds for every unsaved wound or something similar. Still absolutely brutal, but it makes things like Nobs, Tyranid Warriors, etc a bit more viable.

>>47331193
>all of them:
1/10

Irritating Americans, several fatties.

>>47331490
messing around with epicroster seems to prevent you from having two twin linked weapons on the bodyguards so they do take up two options it seem, so i suppose the trade off would be whether or not you would want to have potential double hits or one set of hits with twin linked, but having a commander with the Command and Control Node signature system is the same as giving all your weapons twin linked which is very potentially quite lucrative.

having 3 or 4 crisis suit bodyguards accompanying a commander, then giving them all smart missiles or whatever weapons depending whether youre countering hordes or vehicles or whatever then having them able to go to town on whatever targets you want, with all their accompanying drones having BS 5 because of drone commander, so marker lights or whatever the hell else you want all going to town on your designated target. though i just noticed you could trade 2 marker lights for scour and all your wounds ignore cover meaning you wont need to get that extra signature system.

then again this has probably all been debated to death here its all new learning stuff for me as im still reading up all of these rules and different things.

>>47332071
Theres the wraithseers.

But really wraithlords shouldn't be "characters" because they are dead, they are only called into service in the direst of circumstance and even then they are detatched from the world of the living.

>>47332085
>messing around with epicroster

its got alot of bugs, just get battlescribe

>>47332081
+1

>>47332082
they are canadian. but I agree the brit channels are better, minus table top tactics.

>>47331193

I feel people give Matt shit for no reason. Sure he's a bit waac tfg, but every channel needs some different tastes and hes the only one there who has decent rules knowledge.
And the mormon thing, he turned out ok for growing up severely bullied at school and then brainwashed by a religion. Even the mormon no-homo thing he only says they shouldnt marry, which i agree since marriage is a christian thing and how dumb are you if you marry a dude in a religion that hates you.

>>47332108
>no reason
>lists the reasons

On a different note: Battlescribe 40k data just (i dunno when) updated admech with rangers/vanguard in dominus maniple. Just took 3 months from my bug report....

>>47332108
/pol/ invasion in 3...2...1...

>>47332116

Did you read the post? I explained the reasons, reading comprehension for tha wiiiiin

>>47332088
What happens after a Wraithlord battles, do they just take the spiritstone and put it back in the infinity circuit?

Couldn't there be technically an Exarch that has been battling as a Wraithlord for a very long time and has developed his own reputation even after dead?

I mean, there are 'Nid characters. Doesn't seem like such a stretch especially considering only the cream of the crop gets to be a Wraithlord.

>>47332126

yea im not gonna discuss it further.

>>47332128
did you read my post?

i said that you feel there are no reasons, then you went into explaining the reasons

>reading comprehension for tha wiiiiin

>>47332085
Bodyguards only get 3 wargear options, TL weapons count as 2 each. You use them because battlesuits can only fire 2 weapons per turn. Commander gets 4 wargear options, so you can take 2 TL weapons if you don't want to go for the buffs. CnC Node requires the commander not to shoot for the turn in order to TL his unit, so don't bother taking weapons if you're using it.

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>>47332108
Marriage provides a laundry list of very tangible benefits from the government

>>47332108
>marriage is a christian thing
Ignoring that it predates Christianity and has legal ramifications.

>>47332100
Please.
TTT is the best channel, only one that can see more than two dicerolls in a riw before someone teues to for a meme or "joke".

I swear some of those are like watching a warhammer special episode of BBT

>>47332108
>since marriage is a christian thing
Unfortunately it's a civil thing, which is fucking stupid. Everyone would be better off if all legal references to marriage were removed.

>>47332129
Wraithlords ARE the spirits of exarchs.

And they are returned to the eternity citcuit as soon as possible, to be outside is to be torn from the nirvana of ancestors and old friends and plunged back into the chaostic hellscape of death, screams, demons and a dying race.

>>47332147
TTT is terrible. The smaller brit channels are better. TTT is just a bunch of netlists and shakey cam. They have the worst camera focus out of any of the channels and list variety is nill by the main guy.

>>47332140

i listed why those werent reasons. wat?

>>47332165
I know, I just explained myself wrong. I called him an Exarch because that's what he is, didn't mean an Exarch that happens to be a Wraithlord.

Anyway, technically it could be possible, I guess. A Wraithlord character would be interesting.

>>47332175
Cam is a bit shakey sure, and he does love hsis eldar windsurfers, but he's not in every game, barely even 1/4th.

Still there's a load of other players with inteesting list's, only that IG manlet with bitch-tits sets my cringe abuzz, rest are cool.

All hail Warboss Beard

>>47332143

not discussing, send me a pm (hah)

>>47332198
Wraithlords are actually characters and they can issue challenges. Wraithseers even are Indepent Characters that can join units (but not other MC's)

>>47332183
your either a space furry player or a raven guard player.

>>47332194
>waac

this is one reason

>mormon

this can easily be another

>gay

yet another

you explained why you personally think they arnt valid reasons, but they are still reasons

>>47332213
Nope. Orks.

>>47332223
don't forget he's ugly too anon.

>>47332198
There are two named, though both were destroyed, Khiraen Goldhelm was a prime example of why the Eldar are loath to use them as he was slain and his soul torn from the spiritstone to be devoured by She Who Thirsts.

On the topic of Wraithlords, how can I support my Wraithlord so he actually gets to do things? They have so many weaknesses while not being actually that deadly in melee it's a bit sad.

>>47332243
Hanging around a Avatar is about it.

Is the avatar 3+/5++ or -/3++? I'm guessing the former, but with Daemons you never know.

>>47332286
3+/5++

>>47331490
>though I believe there is a limit to how many you can take.
Nop. You can give a single commander ALL THE SIGNATURE SYSTEMS.

Bodyguards and shas'vre use hardpoints for them though.

And it would be straight up retarded to take them all. 0 purpose whatsoever, and most of them are shit/counter-productive to stack. And it would be ridiculously expensive, too.

>>47332223

wow so dumb

>>47332255
>you need 200 points and occupying a LoW slots on an army with Wraithknights to make the Wraithlord worth it
>not only that but then you have like 360 points on two miniatures that are only really good at melee and get shit on by instant death

Why are the coolest minis always the worse ones?

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New codex FAQ's are out

>>47332312

who the hell uses eldar cad?

>>47332142
yeah thats what i was thinking, just having 2 regular weapons on the bodyguards then getting effective twin-linked because of the signature system on the commander, not sure what else to get on the commander because most of it depends on the situation and id hate to waste the slots, but spending points for no reason doesnt help either., maybe just give him a weapon if everyone else gets fucked or get the ignore cover signature system in case your marker drones die, either way there are some pretty exciting things to do i suppose. too bad the commanders cant get any decent melee weapons apart from that onager gauntlet but i suppose thats the bane of tau units.

>>47330693
>>47330738
no. only infantry units can be in transports (unless the transports rules say otherwise). bikes aren't infantry but their own unit type.

>>47332348
link?

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>>47332348

Can someone please explain D weapons to me?

>>47332348

thats in line with the other faqs. Though the whole transport rules are turning weird, sometimes the models are on the field and sometimes not.

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>>47332374

>>47332312
Other armies would kill for either of those.

125 points for a S8 T8 model isn't bad at all.
Hell the Avatar is murder in melee and can rake a beating too, true ID weapons aren't exactly common.

Avatar Aura should make eldars within 12" give up battle focus to charge after the run as the surrounding Eldar drown in his boiling bloodlust.

>>47332351
Doesn't matter.
Avatar is command slot along with the Phoenix lords.

>TFW you can field 12 Wraithknighs if you wany, but the Court of the Young king is still Apoc only.

>>47332039
Fuck your characters. 4++ is the best ever, no rerolls ever.

>>47332371
Rulebook does it just fine.

>>47332351
Windrider and Wraith Host formations are insanely overpowered. If you don't want to use those two but want Wraithlords/Fire Prisms and stuff you have to go CAD unless you go unbound or you get the Guardian Battlehost which forces you to get war walkers, support batteries and regular guardians which are quite eh.

>>47332312
Well you could go with "Strenght in numbers"-way: Take eldar Warhost, take Windrider Host (cheapest) and then, at 1850 points, take twelve wraithlords and run them 6"+6" up the ass of your opponent.

So is this list bonkers or am I onto something?

10th Company Task Force Detachment

050 Sergeant Telion

110-Scout Squad x10
020-Camo Cloaks
110-Scout Squad x10
020-Camo Cloaks
110-Scout Squad x10
020-Camo Cloaks
110-Scout Squad x10
020-Camo Cloaks


Gladius Detachment

110-Scout Squad x10
020-Camo Cloaks
010-Sniper Rifles

220-Assault Centaurians
020-Multi-Meltas

100-Dreadnought
005-Plasma Cannon

120-Vindicator
120-Vindicator

200-Stormraven Gunship
000-Plasma Cannon
000-Multi-Melta
005-Extra Armor

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>>47332424
it's bonkers

>>47332411
Can be insanely OP.

Noones forces you to tske scatterlasers or D schythes.

What is the best way to kit out a tactical squad?

Chapter tactics aside

>>47332371
Instead of rolling to wound, you roll to check if you rape your opponent's face or his ass.

>>47332443
Nothing but a Razorback.

>>47332424
1500 points BTW

>>47332422
That's bloddy mad.
...
I'd stick with 10 so i can get them glaives and maybe a few spiritseers.

>>47332374
Well thats some nice buffs to sisters. Anti-psykerstar tactics, buff to Immolator (wohoo the hatch is no longer welded shut!) and buff to Exorcist's LoS.

>>47332453
Melta gun and a razorback?

>>47332424
So how would you tackle this list with your own forces?

>>47332443
Depends on your chapter tactics.

Really it's like asking whats the prettiest colour, visuals aside.

>>47332461
I thought the Immolator already had two fire points in the hatch. Was I confusing it with something else?

>>47332434
Bikes are still rather underpriced even at base and Wraithguards can wreck a surprising amount of shit with Battlefocus, but that can be somewhat averted by just taking Wraithblades.

You will still have a Wraithknight though.