Quad-Color inbound edition
>RESOURCES
http://www.mtgcommander.net
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>Deck List Site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck’s strategy and card choices.
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/commander-edh
>Another resource for commander discussion; they have an entire forum dedicated to discussing decks. People often make primers, which go into detail about how they built and play their deck.
http://www.edhrec.com/
>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internet.
http://manabasecrafter.com/
>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen Commander’s color identity.
>CARD SEARCHING
http://gatherer.wizards.com/
>Official search site. Current for all sets.
http://www.magiccards.info
>Unofficial, but has GOAT search interface
>>47283332
so we all know the interaction of zurgo and assault suit, but does assault suit work with pic related?
>>47283332
It should be "hype edition"
http://magic.wizards.com/en/content/commander-2016-edition-information
>>47283393
>tfw tried to hype it last thread but it was ded
GET HYPE
>>47283393
Also next set is Kaladesh which will probably be pretty artifact-centric.
Given that Origins' UR draft archetype was artifacts and all of it was Kaladesh-focused, it's pretty safe to hype a UR artifact legendary finally.
>>47283393
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rQqwG_rQx7A
>>47283393
is it worth it to make a nephilm deck to hold me over until the commanders are spoiled?
I would rather have more variety in 3 color legends. These 4 color guys will probably be op. I'm looking forward for better multicolored mana rocks.
>>47283425
>Kaladesh is an ethnically diverse [1] plane where natural mages are rare. Work that would be done with magic on other planes is instead accomplished through devices. [2] The automatons, thopters and other artifact creatures of the plane are fueled by æther, which is heavily trafficked. Artifacts are built as much for beauty as for function. Fire magic is strictly banned, and pyromancy punishable with a death sentence. [3]
>Kaladesh is ruled by Consuls. Their forces and works are nearly omnipresent.
You mean surely artifact-centric
>>47283473
4C commanders is a nice move but I'm not so sure if they will be very useful or playable cards
>>47283393
What are the odds we get the long awaited errata to the Nephilim to make them legends at last?
>>47283425
I fucking hope we get a UR Artificer legend, gonna be real disappointed if we don't
>>47283366
yes
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/lab/artifacts-another-age-2015-03-30
>>47283561
>ethnically diverse
They want the SJW audience?
>>47283566
Close to zero. The fact they're releasing the decks instead of doing that tells as much.
>>47283561
>Fire magic is strictly banned, and pyromancy punishable with a death sentence
Isn't this Chandra's home plane?
>>47283561
>ethnically diverse plane
I thought this was the Indian Mythology plane.
>>47283637
Didn't you read her origin?
>>47283637
They did try to kill her at least once
>>47283623
"Diverse" meaning everyone but chandra and the villains is the exact same shade of brown.
>>47283633
We always get a legend of those colors reprinted in commander decks.
>>47283695
And we have no legends in those colors so far.
>>47283675
Why bring it up then?
Why not let the images speak for themselves?
>>47283637
Why do you think they ended up banning it?
>>47283726
So why not reprint them and oracle them as legendaries? It's the best time for them to do it.
>>47283743
To trigger people like you?
>Planechase anthology
That is what I am really excited for
>>47283816
C'mon, this anon >>47283743 is right. I see no sense in pointing this "ethnically diverse" to. Wouldn't it be better to show this aspect by lore and plot?
>>47283786
Because they're not legendary. If they want to give 4-color Commander decks more options, they can just print more legends in those colors.
Functional errata hasn't been a thing for quite a while. People don't want to check the internet to confirm what the card does when it's right in front of them.
>>47283887
Think of all the Maelstrom Wanderers people will have!
It's looking like a good year for MtG overall. EMA, Conspiracy 2 Electric Boogaloo, ELM will probably be as good as SOI. The only thing I'm worried about is the new precons being awful messes.
> Kaladesh chick is a planeswalker
Looks like we won't be getting that UR artificer legend.
>>47284162
We might get it in the second set. You know, like with Arlynn and the legendary werewolf.
>>47283913
Perhaps racial tension is theme of the story
Maybe they wanted to signify that it wouldn't be an indian-only plane
Maybe they wanted to be as descriptive as possible without revealing key plot details.
Maybe it's a coincidence
Maybe a children's cardgame is trying to appeal to left wing social activists. Oh yeah, that's the most likely one.
>>47283623
That's from the MTG Salvation Wiki. We don't know a whole lot about Kaladesh, so the ethnic diversity is one of the few things to comment on; it's also relevant because just calling it "The Indian plane" doesn't paint a totally accurate picture.
>guy in our playgroup makes loadsa money on the oil rigs
>spends lots on making a competitive Arcum Dagsson deck (promo mana crypt ect)
>still doesn't know his combos well enough to go off with confidence.
>does things like play pithing needle choosing elesh norn ect
It's so boring to play against because he's just a bad player with that deck, he never goldfishes it or even worked out his tutor order ect before building it and just kind of wings it.
So we get stuck in 1 hour games with shit like ensnaring bridge ect in play that bring the game to a grinding halt while he's still fucking around doing nothing in the corner.
I got pissy with me once for hitting him for 14 when he had power artifact on a basalt monolith but nothing threatening to cast right then.
Looking to make a graveyard/reanimate deck with multiple avenues of playing/winning. Sedris looks fun, but am I missing out on anything else? One of my buddies has him so it's annoying for me to build.
>>47284679
>>47283393
Urza as WUBR confirmed!
>>47284679
I used to run pic related. But my friends hated him for being annoying, nigh immortal and very oppressive.
>>47284679
>>47285037
Mikaeus worked wonders in that deck. Exiling 6 creatures with angel of Serenity, squeezing value from Kamigawa Spirit Dragons, exiling 4 permanents with Ashen Rider.
Also highly recommend Reassemblig Skeleton, Trading Post, Knight-Captain of Eos and Vizkopa Guildmage (even without Exquisite Blood she is worth a spot).
And don't forget to include the best reanimator spell of all time - Corpse Dance.
>>47284989
I doubt they'd ever print a walker as a creature again, so unless they did walker commanders like in '14, I doubt it.
I would fucking love it though, and I do hope yore tiller colors gets a legend that cares about artifacts.
>>47285138
My best friend runs literally that deck. Good god, do I hate him for it.
>>47284235
>Perhaps racial tension is theme of the story
The witcher was all about racial tension and I didn't see a word about it on book cover
>Maybe they wanted to signify that it wouldn't be an indian-only plane
We know it already - look at Chandra
>Maybe a children's cardgame is trying to appeal to left wing social activists. Oh yeah, that's the most likely one.
I want to believe it isn'tplz
> fucking four-color gimmicky nonsense
> not ally-color pairs
God fucking damn it, all I want is a solid support base for my G/W deck
>>47285138
>Ashen Rider
Man do I love this card. I once T2 flashed it in with Flash only to exile my opponent's two lands. Next turn I reanimated it and exiled his third.
>>47285486
Oh shut the fuck up. Ally pairs have been getting love forever.
>>47283887
>86 oversized Planar cards
>hit up .info
>Planechase 2012 has 40 if we include the Phenomenons
>Planechase has 45
>we're getting the promo plane
>>47285532
>hurr hurr I want a deck that is a 5 colour deck minus one, it'll feel soooo different
Sit down and go back to sucking off an Ink Treader
>>47285551
I know! I wondered if they really meant all too, and am so happy!
>>47285551
yeah they conformed all promo planes are included
A full set goes for like $200 so $150 for these plus the 2012 60 card decks seems real good.
>>47285557
I said nothing of the sort. My favorites are mono-colors, but I enjoy variety, not more of the same old shit.
>>47285587
Except you are getting the same old shit. 4 color decks are just 5 color decks minus one to the point of being inconsequential.
>>47285476
>I want to believe it isn't plz
If you'll actually do a little research instead of just waiting for people to tell you what you want to believe, you'll find most doomsaying has no substance.
In this case, Doug was sidestepping the usual quota business.
>>47285602
It is still a design space never officially explored.
There have been multiple sets and mechanics that care about 5 color decks, but never one dedicated to 4 color
>>47285486
>muh ally pairing needs even more support
Kindly fuck off, ally pairs get so much support compared to enemy it's not even funny.
>>47285602
>minus one color is inconsequential
ive certainly never seen a 5-color deck for which thats true
>>47285486
>support base for G/W
i have multiple G/W decks its my fave color combo and i have no idea what youre talking about, what exactly are we missing?
there's no way they print a stronger commander than karametra, sisay, rhys, saffi, or selvala
>>47285785
It's true, but even then the enemy pairing decks in EDH weren't to much help for the colours that actually needed it most.
What drugs were they smoking that they actually thought Kalemne was a good idea?
>>47283393
God fucking damn it. Fuck this shit.
There is literally no reason for 4 color commanders other than goodstuff decks adding yet another color.
>>47285868
Depends on how cool the commanders are. 5 color is even more good stuffy than 3, so 4 should let you be more creative given your restriction.
>>47285868
It has been demanded by players for years
endless debates about the Nephalim
>>47285830
but anon kalemne is different
instead of supporting a weenie strategy she supports a fatty strategy
oh wait no, never mind, she INCENTIVIZES playing fatties, but does exactly nothing to support the strategy of playing fatties, which needs help to begin with because red white is not great colors for that strategy
>>47283623
If having some brown folk around will keep the screaming social justice folk from our door, then I truly, truly do not give a single fuck.
After white-bread Innistrad, why would I? It's not like they aren't being pretty evenhanded.
>>47285902
There is nothing creative by adding white to a BUG deck.
>>47285916
It doesn't mean much, but come November, I'm done with EDH. Since that's my only reason for playing magic, I guess I'm done with that, too. It's been a mostly fun ride.
>>47285486
>tfw Experiment Kraj caught my eye
>then Meren
>then Jhoira
>tfw Brion Stoutarm is starting to look mighty cool...
You know nothing of pain.
Do you have any idea how much it fucking costs to optimize these landbases? I'm STILL miles behind allied landbases.
Our manlands are shit
we only have 1 set of life lands
no tangolands
no odyssey lands
now, no show lands
our fetches costs $50-100
ENEMY RAGE
>>47286036
>It doesn't mean much, but come November, I'm done with EDH. Since that's my only reason for playing magic, I guess I'm done with that, too. It's been a mostly fun ride.
See you in December then
>>47285948
>white bread innistrad
Innistrad is a mixed bag of skin colours m8.
I just dread to think of the smell on Kaladesh, a whole plane of poo in loos, no wonder Chandra doesn't go back.
>>47286036
>There is nothing creative by adding white to a BUG deck.
Agreed.
>It doesn't mean much, but come November, I'm done with EDH. Since that's my only reason for playing magic, I guess I'm done with that, too. It's been a mostly fun ride.
But why though? I'm disappointed my colours aren't getting support too, but that doesn't mean I'm gonna quit because some people are going to make shitty 5-1 color decks now.
>>47286044
The enemy manlands are pretty good. Celestial colonnade was just a dumb mistake
>>47285933
>focusing on the wrong part of Kalemne
>not the fact that its a 3/3 Double Strike for 4 with vigilance in the command zone
>>47286049
Nah
>>47286065
Because I hate the thought of a 4 color commander deck after playing other formats with 4c goodstuff. It offers zero creativity to decks, enforces and empowers boring goodstuff, and is frankly not needed at all. If people wanted to allow that shit in their groups with the Nephalim, it was contained in their group. Now? Now everywhere I go is going to littered with the same 4 color degeneracy because it's the new precon.
>>47286065
>3/4 reach for 3 for the shitty GW manland nobody plays
>the enemy colored manlands can't even get P/T=CMC
I like hissing quagmire because death touch is good and the P/T of a deathtouch creature isn't wildly important, but apart from that...
>>47286170
fuck, this goes >>47286066
>>47286080
>tfw your commander has a "wrong part to focus on"
damn thats some deep cringe
>>47286189
Colonade is the one that becomes a flying vigilence guy. Not the one with reach.
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?action=advanced&set=+[%22Worldwake%22]&type=+[%22Land%22]&rarity=+[R]
None of these have P/T of same cmc
the lifegain manland sees reasonable play.
>>47286170
For the record, stirring wildwood is pretty rad actually. It's not creeping tarpit or celestial colonnade, but it's really quite fine.
>>47286080
Then why don't I just play Aurelia who's a little more expensive and just won't ever stop attacking? And why is the alternate commander completely worthless AND a nobody? They could have easily made Anya a Boros angel we actually know and give them some support, because jesus christ someone last thread was actually desperate enough to be tricked into building Kos
>>47286080
we already have two double strike commanders and they are both better than kalemne
not to mention that double strike + vigilance isnt that strong when you think about it, you dont want your creature with two key words to be blocked by every creature in the game
>>47283332
>Quad-Color inbound edition
HOREY SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIITE
>>47283332
>Really liking my BG deck, thinking of converting it into an EDH by buying Meren 2015
>Quad Colour
Wallet-death incoming.
>>47286051
It's Indian-themed, not Indian. Indian-themed could mean could stuff like A-bomb-tipped arrows.
>>47286270
If Kalemne is your commander and you cast Aurelia, someone is most likely dead. Kalemne, into sword/5cmc anthem creature, into Aurelia is lethal commander.
If you have Aurelia as your commander and you cast Kalemne, you aren't likely killing anyone.
>>47286282
What? Vigilance leaves the creature untapped to block. It has nothing to do with other creatures blocking it. That is what swords are for.
>>47286366
Look at Chandra's mom, she's clearly a poo in loo.
Chandra is a poo in loo name too.
Time to start maindecking ruination then.
Dropping that with Kazuul against GBUW neo-nephilim will be better than sex
And shit, I say that as someone with a GBRW warrior tribal deck. Giving legitimate commander options just legitimises the 4c goodstuff. Without them, you need to justify your 4c deck with a theme and janky or outright shitty mechanics (looking at you bolster)
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The anuses are ripe next weekend.
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>>47285948
motherfucker even the fucking ANGELS are black on Innistrad 2.
white bread my ass, half the human cards are black people.
>>47286643
Nothing new here. To keep things fresh, what do people wanna see for the 4-color Commanders?
>>47283393
>4 color shit decks
>each deck will have 2 new 4c commanders
>at least 2 4c non commander spell
>at least 20/55 new cards wasted on cards only unstable in one deck
>probably more with a 4c land
>>47286437
the point is that neither vigilance nor double strike help you against chump blockers, and they also dont help vs removal
its safer to give an evasive and/or hexproof creature double strike or vigilance than it is to give kalemne evasion or hexproof
>>47286773
>To keep things fresh, what do people wanna see for the 4-color Commanders?
WUBR Artifact commander
WBRG Land synergy commander
UBRG Spellslinger commander
WUBG Reanimation commander
WURG Voltron commander
I'm boring
>>47286437
what you just said is irrelevent in commander, big stompy red white decks get utterly carved to peices by Blue/Green/____.
in response I just make a clone with my Riku deck of your Aurelia, bounce everything you own, and then ask if you want to do something else for me to stop
same with Roon and Derretti.
we have a diehard Red/White commander player and he always burns through all his cards playing fatties that some player kills with a single card and then sits there awaiting death.
>>47283393
I know it won't happen because Wizards cares more about the collectors/investors than anyone else, but I would love to see fetchlands printed in these.
>>47286867
Also won't happen cause enemy fetches are in Eternal Masters.
>>47286802
you can use them in 5 color decks too if they are good
even when the overall power level of the decks and commanders are inconsistent, as in commander 2015, all the commander products have released very very powerful cards for the 99, like mizzix's mastery in 2015, flusterstorm and toxic deluge in 2011, etc, so some of these 4 color spells may be new staples in 5 color decks and 4 color decks
also hopefully this product spawns more than 5 decks, if each color combo has more than one new commander, perhaps more than one commander per color will be viable, like for meren and mazirek, and maybe they'll be completely different despite having the same color combo, such as oloro vs sharuum/sydri
>>47286845
>durr muh bland bug/bant decks are better than the 2 weakest colours in magic
No shit sherlock.
>>47286611
>Without them, you need to justify your 4c deck with a theme and janky or outright shitty mechanics
Yore-Tiler reanimator and Glint-Eye graveyard mechanics are already themes pretty good for two of the 4c combinations.
>>47286773
Temurskai spellslinging but different from what UR has so far. Grixismur could follow on the tracks of Glint-Eye and do combat damage/hand manipulation shenanigans.
>>47283393
I called it! I FUCKING CALLED IT! THANKS /x/ I GOT CLAIRVOYANCE!
>>47286773
They're all going to be cancer
>KALADESH WILL BE A SUPERPOWER BY SEPTEMBER 30, 2016!
>>47287167
Probably, but not what I asked.
>>47286773
All I want is a unique ability for the commanders.
Experience counters were a great addition to commander, and I look forward to something unique like it.
looks fun
>>47286773
A huge focus on the hatred of the missing color. Imagine if that Spirit of EDH card that hates blue actually gets printed. Hype achieved.
>>47287183
In that case, I want no 4c commanders. Every one has "as long as you own this card, you can win the game"
>>47286164
Because no one used five color commanders for four color good stuff.
>>47286164
Why is it that as soon as it hits 4, it is somehow more goodstuffy than 3 or 5?
If I am doing 4 color, it is likely I'm doing shit like Clue tribal, which needs every color but Black.
>>47287255
this guy is cool, only beats, sure, but he does have a resistance to spot removal of sorts, since you need two to stop the beats
>>47283393
I have no idea how they're going to manage 4 colours but I hope they can pull it off. I have seen three well done 4 coloured generals in my life (anti-blue, anti-black, anti-green). All had the flavour of being against a core idea of the colour they're missing and the abilities of essentially two different two coloured creatures mashed together. I really hope they can pull off someone cool instead of having just a mess of abilities that don't really make sense.
Hopefully the 4 color guys will be similiar to Tazri or the FTR Khans in execution.
>>47285823
>>47285823
GW planeswalker that uses EXP counters
>>47288036
That's fucking retarded yo.
>>47288007
> guys
Can you please stop that.
We have no idea what gender the commanders are.
>>47288217
I'm sad that this is the kind of thing that would be posted anywhere else unironically.
I imagine if they are gonna make 4 color commanders, it'll be like the nephilim are. They'll think of a new thing and just assign it to that color combination.
"#5 - The "Shiny and New" Method
Mindleech Mass
To explain this category let me start with a little story about something called the Gordian Knot. As legend has it, a king (named Gordius – although some versions claim the king is Midas – just trying to tie back into the title wherever I can) created an intricate puzzle by putting a cart in the center of his court that was secured by an insanely elaborate Turkish knot. The person who could solve the puzzle and free the cart was destined to rule all of Asia. Many tried and failed until one day a young man known as Alexander (you might know him best with "the Great" attached) entered the court. He solved the riddle of the Gordian Knot. How did he do it? By slicing it in half with his sword.
So what does this have to do with Magic? Or the design of multi-color cards? Everything, because it's this category that takes Alexander's approach to the Goridan Knot. How do you design a multi-color card that feels like a multi-color card? Just design an ability that's never been used before. As it hasn't been designated to color yet, it is by definition a multi-color ability as that is the first time it shows up. I should point out that the new ability still has to feel right in the color it's put into. Examples from Ravnica include: Bloodbond March, Chorus of the Conclave, Gleancrawler, Mindleech Mass, Phytohydra, and Searing Meditation.
The biggest limitation of this category is that it's very hard to come up with things we've never done before. Even some of my examples only innovate in part of the mechanic. But when you can do it, it works like a charm."
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/making-magic/midas-touch-2005-11-14
I hope they don't pussy out and make them 2 colour commanders with an ability of the other 2 colours. It's without question the easiest way to make them work and balance it though.
>>47288506
I wonder how they're going to do the manabase.
>>47288570
Vivids, vivids for fucking days.
I'm hoping for the non-U commander to be tokens
>>47288570
Panoramas?
>>47288570
vivids and gainlands for sure i think
maybe painlands if we're lucky?
>>47288570
~ Comes into play with a depletion counter on it.
T: Add 1 colorless to your mana pool
1, T: Remove a depletion counter from ~
T: Add [Mana] to your mana pool. Only activate this ability of there are no depletion counters on ~.
>>47286560
What part of Indian-Themed do you not understand retard?
>>47288684
...that's so terrible, it just might be what WotC makes the new commander-themed land.
Am I That Guy for making an Oloro deck? I just wanted the flexibility to switch between a bunch different deck types and heard he was a good Commander.
>>47288738
You're only that guy if you run Stax and then bitch when people gang up on you
Or if you """"tactically"""" concede to prevent lifegain/combat damage effects from going off.
>>47288738
i think youre looking at it the wrong way
"that guy" is somebody who makes the game unfun for his or her playgroup
youre the one who knows your playgroup so only you know if it would bother your playgroup to play against oloro
>>47288697
>it's indian themed
>but the people aren't indian
Only retard here is you.
>>47288804
The people are the mythological Indians which have as much in common with modern day Indians as Vikings have with your pasty ass.
>>47288570
Painlands, panoramas, duals, and maybe a city of brass kind of thing. Is that on the Reserve list?
Also maybe something like :when CARDNAME enters the battlefield flip a coin. If it's heads it taps for U or R, if it's tails if taps for B or W.
>>47286886
source?
>>47288831
City of Brass is nice, I'd like to see Mana Confluence on them as well. I think they'll reprint the Mirage fetches, or the enemy color cycle to complete it.
>>47288831
I'm personally hoping for Reflecting Pool in each deck. With the recent reprint in Conspiracy 1, it's not implausible and it'd be amazingly useful in these decks.
>>47286886
Why not reprint them when we just had a return to zendikar block then?
>>47283657
Chandras dad was white and her mom was hijab. Think of kaladesh as an earth like plane with magitech. Those machines will do the work for people making it much easier to move from one continent to the next compared to a plane like zendikar, and mobility means people are more likely to end up in places their race didnt originate from which leads to diversity.
>>47288908
literally 0% chance there are fetchlands in commander 2016
>>47288974
because then theyd be in standard and wotc wanted the next block or two to move away from the ultra tight 3-4 color manabases of the last year and a half of standard\
not syaing i expect them in eternal masters but the argument that they wouldve put them in BFZ or Oath is wrong
>>47289068
Yes, because these are very expensive. I specifically said MIRAGE fetches.
>>47288974
Because the Zendikar rare lands were fetchable and we already had allied fetches in Khans
>>47288908
>>47289068
woops you said mirage fetches, not onslaught, my bad
i always liked Bad River the most of those, funny name
>>47286773
WUBR Commander deck that counters everything
UBRG Commander deck that counters everything
WUBG Commander deck that counters everything
WURG Commander deck that counters everything
WBRG Commander Deck where nothing can be countered
>>47289091
sorry i was thinking of onslaught fetches
>>47289102
wat
>>47289119
It's fine, Mirage fetches are neglected as a whole.
>>47288570
tap lands for days
>>47286773
WUBR Equipment Voltron
WBRG ???????????????
URBG Graveyard Shenanigans
WUBG Enchantress?
WURG Tokens
>>47289166
yeah i forget they exist all the time even though i think they are more balanced than the new fetches
and i dont just mean not overpowerd, they ARE underpowered, but less so than the normal fetches are overpowered
>>47287654
what red clue cards are there?
>>47289219
>WBRG ???????????????
Hopefully a giant middle finger to blue.
>>47288570
Vivids
Shardlands/Wedgelands
Maybe a new cycle of 3-cost mana rocks
Green decks: mana dorks, Cultivate, Explosive Vegetation, Farseek, other similar effects
Non-green deck: shitloads of bad artifact ramp with stuff like Manalith, Astral Cornucopia, Prismatic Lens, etc.
>>47289179
And taplands aren't fun. Imagine playing a precon and having to wait a turn to do basically anything with your sweet new deck.
>>47289285
>taplands aren't fun
And premades aren't allowed to have expensive lands.
>>47289337
ive played tricolor with all basics, it wasnt perfect but most games were fine
dont know if that would work in 4-color though, certainly wont in 5 color
>>47289248
Zero, but red has more artifact matters stuff than black and has fucktons of "sacrifice an artifact" effects.
>>47283366
Depends on what you want to do with it. You can't make opponents pay life with it if I'm right, as cumulative upkeep is added on stack at the beginning of upkeep, and when assault suit's ability triggers, it's not beginning of upkeep anymore and cumulative upkeep doesn't trigger.
>>47283581
I would love another magnet like memnarch. Imagine, creature with an ability like:
"Mana, sacrifice an artifact: gain control of target artifact"
>>47289431
i think he means, with assault suit, i dont have to pay upkeep, because it cant be sacrificed, and the same applies to any upkeep creature
idk if it works that way but it appears so
have to check the oracle wording of "upkeep", to see if its actually "sacrifice" or if the permanent just dies like the legend rule
>>47289385
I get away fine with the 10 trilands that entered tapped in my sliver deck plus 18 basics, one or two utility lands, and a few rainbow lands that don't cost an arm or a leg
>>47285557
>Playing a commander only for colors
Shut up and go back to playing Zur enchantress.
>>47289480
Oracle text has cumulative upkeep as sacrifice.
So as far as I can tell,
You dont pay the optional cost, which means you have to sacrifice the creature. Assault suit says it cannot be sacrificed for any reason and it will stay on the field.
>>47289533
thats exactly right
you can see the oracle ruling on similar effects, if the game presents you with a "do X unless you Y", you dont have to do Y if some other thing is preventing X
>>47286170
>Wanting P/T=CMC
>Wanting 0/0 manlands
Come on senpai, you can do better.
>>47289580
hue hue
>>47286643
Holy shit, do you live in Michigan? I just played against 3 of those decks on Saturday.
>>47289644
Maybe.What decks were you playing?
>>47283425
>>47283581
>mfw they still don't do a UR artifact legend
Kaladesh should be nice and flavorful though. I'm hype.
Why is this so fucking hard?
>>47289480
Yeah, but I was hoping for it to work that way that opponents would have to pay too, it would have been fun. There are some newer cards with cumulative upkeep with the better reminder text, like Vexing Sphinx if I remember the name right. Keep in mind, that age counters still are put there, and THAT can lead some fun things, like with the creature I just mentioned.
>>47289733
just use this
>>47289733
its all about the OY
its called a double vowel or whatever, its one vowel sounds produced by the rapid change between two vowel sounds
the OY in alloy or toy comes from rapidly going from the OH in boat to the EE in deep
the faster you try to say TOYBOAT, the more likely that you mix up this blending of OH and EE, especially when you have to make the OH sound right after again
>>47289644
>>47289663
Skip to the good part, and start kissing.
>>47289794
I keep saying Toy Boyt.
>>47289772
It also combos with Old Fogey. Man, I wonder if I could make a "decent" 5 color list with silver boarder cards. No cheesiness out Cheatyfaces either, as legit as I can.
ok guys, what if the Commanders are two people? Something like Pa and Ma Nalaar, but instead it's two or more characters combining their powers to kick ass since they suck at soloing? Like an Azorious cop and a Rakdos cultist, or a group of adventurers, or watever?
>>47289895
What if we just had two commanders?
Then you could 4 color without having four colors jammed into one card.
>>47289663
Zada, Alesha, Oloro. GOB?
>>47289913
>Two commanders
There are so many ways that can be abused
>>47289920
Yup, I remember you.
Shame you never got to cast that Life's Finale the last game. I really wanted you to put my Grozoth in my graveyard for me. At the end of the game I was also 3 creatures in the yard away from winning with a Mortal Combat trigger, so it would have helped me there too.
ggs man, it was fun.
>>47289091
This post inspired me to check out all the lands in Mirage Block. I still can't believe they printed the Karoos in Commander 2014. I wonder how many people were as foolish as me and left them in for a while before figuring it out.
Gemstone Mine seems really great though.
>>47289962
Yeah, turns out Ob Nixilis emblem really fucking hurts. I'm sure I'll see you around the store whenever my buddy wants to go again.
>>47289969
Karoos are fine in casual settings. It is pretty much known that LDing a Karoo is a dick move.
>>47289969
But the karoos aren't bad. They're just subpar.Mirage was an amazing block and I love the serious african approach in a time where things didn't have to appeal to sjws.
>>47290000
Honestly, I think the Liliana emblem was the real problem. We never should have let him get that.
I also picked up a Magister of Worth on your suggestion. I'll let you know how it goes once I get the chance to test it.
>>47290000
>meeting a friend on /tg/
>Dem sweet digies
Dude, you're on fire. Buy a lottery ticket.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/jank-anafenza-mill/
A dumb gimmicky shitty deck I kinda wanna make. What cards should I add/remove to improve it?
>>47290019
>Mirage was an amazing block and I love the serious african approach
Newfag like me wouldn't know about that, but it sounds neato. I really like the art, especially Bad River. It's a step above cheesy 80s fantasy art and a different feel from the stuff nowadays.
>>47290067
one of my favorite card art from mirage block
>>47290067
I started playing with the 7th edition, but most cards back then were the shitty ones from older sets. Mirage was powerful, had nice designs, badass art and was based on a culture nobody gives a fuck about. Oh, and the art director was a woman at the time and she found some talents to work for her that still make some beautiful art works, like Terese Nielsen.
I'm only sharing this because Kaladesh got me thinking. An indian themed set has the potential to be as good as Mirage, for the same reasons I mentioned above.
>>47290028
Yeah, that game got retarded after that, wish I was watching his board better. The sad part is magister will probably be a board wipe 90% of the time, but a six mana board wipe that leaves a body behind isn't horrible. You'll have to be careful mass reanimating with it in your yard though, that's a serious nonbo. Looking forward to hearing how it works out for you.
>>47290067
>>47290093
>>47290110
I love that period of MTG art
With my knowledge of mtg's more obscure cards limited, is there anything that has some ability similar to like "Players cant cast spells with cmc 5 or less" Or anything even related?
>>47290110
That was a pretty interesting article, though I felt like it took a pretty biased stance against WOTC. It made me wonder why we don't hear more from the artists in articles or interviews. There's a couple pieces I wouldn't mind hearing about. Like Stasis.
I'm hype for it too. I hope they have some Indian mythology sprinkled in.
Rainbow Vale reprint when
Goat friend needs it
>>47290188
Trinisphere?
>>47290210
I want to know why RKF stopped, his art was the best
>>47290254
Thats kinda useful for me, thanks man.
>>47290225
Just buy one, they aren't expensive
>>47290417
maybe they are hard to find
the art is fantastic and its an old card, just look at that weird land border, it looks red
>Mono-G Omnath pooping out lands
>play Wake of Destruction, name Forest
>Omnath cusses me out, scoops and leaves
Am I an asshole? I had to curb him somehow
>>47290501
If you did nothing he would have just won, its a damned if you do damned if you dont situation. Just as long as that guy doesnt win you did the right thing.
>>47290501
nah thats how it goes for mono color decks, there are advantages and disadvantages to it, one of the disadvantages is color hate blows you out
maybe he just hadnt seen that card before and it devastated his anus
>>47290501
How does Mono green play omnath
>>47290562
The original Omnath you dope
>>47284679
Mimeoplasm, Jarad, and Chainer are all pretty fun
>>47290501
Nah, you didn't do anything wrong. Tell him to diversify y'all manabase, nigga.
>>47290067
Loved Mirage-Visions arts
>>47290573
Get this hothead outta here. I don't play a lot of commander due to being poor and the only omnath I knew was the rage one.
>>47290432
Old tap, and my zedruu runs a lot of you have hexproof so I'd like it to target.
Just got a copy of Ruhan of the Fomori, what's a good way to play with him? I just want to throw on Spectra Ward, Indestructibility, Grafted Exoskeleton, and Assault Suit and watch/laugh at everyone gambling that he'll swing at someone besides them.
>>47290697
Double Strike granting instants and sorceries such as Assault Strobe, Psychotic Fury, and Temur Battle Rage all seem good, since he's sitting at 7 power.
>>47289733
>toy boit
SHIT
>Odric, Lunarch Marshall
>Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
>Noyan Dar, Roil Shaper
>Geist of St. Traft
>Mirko Vosk, Mind Drinker
These are all the legendary creatures I own. Which is the best for a Commander deckon a budget of 80 dollarydoos?
>>47284591
Then teach him you cuckold
>>47290925
I'd go with Geist aggro-control. Just fill it with lots of small evasive creatures, hatebears, and anthem effects.
>>47290925
Odric can be built on that budget too, just fill the deck with the useful keyword creatures.
>>47290432
I bought one like a week ago, there were a few on TCGPlayer when I ordered
>>47290501
>Wake of Destruction
Jesus that card is nuts. Gonna go buy a set
>>47290986
Looking through my collection, I was thinking of that too. I have Drogskol Reaver, Drogskol captain, and several spirits from Innistrad.
Geist aggro-control it is, then.
>>47290925
You could blow almost half of your budget on an Inkmoth Nexus and then make Noyan Dar Cantrips Tribal
>Looking through my collection
>Have a Lingering Souls
>Check Gatherer
>It's only banned in Innistrad Standard
but y doe
>>47291234
I COULD, or I can scavenge whatever cards I have lying about, buy a few other necessities, and save the rest of my cash to buy an Emrakul Moon booster box or Planechase Anthologies
>>47291234
>Noyan Dar Cantrips Tribal
Kek I like this idea. Though you're kinda fucked if you don't get Inkmoth out quick
>>47291321
Don't buy a booster box. Singles are always the better purchase
>>47291338
>>47291234
How do cantrips work? I understand the general premise is to maintain card advantage and filter to your goodstuff, but I can't think of an example.
In my head I'm picturing something like for W that gives target creature flying and you draw a card so you can quickly stack Noyan Dar's ability multiple times a turn while hoping to sift more efficiently for goodstuff.
>>47291447
Burnout is my favorite cantrip
>>47291321
If we can agree on splitting cards, me and a friend might end up going half and half on anthology.
>come up with a meticulously crafted EDH deck
>it's boring as fuck
>throw together a piece of crap 20 minutes before game night
>it's the most fun deck ever
The only two decks of mine I even like were afterthoughts. I threw a bunch of big creatures with rakdos, lord of riots for the hell of it, and bought the daretti precon on a whim, and after some tweaking they're both my favourite decks. I want to make a new deck, but I know I'll probably get bored of it after 4 games.
>>47291528
>Burnout
That's a pretty stronk card, holy cow. I've always gravitated towards cards that maintain card advantagebecause competitive yugioh is extremely autistic about drawing cardsbut I never realized what the strategy was called. Is it a ratio thing as part of a strategy, or are cantrips only useful on a case by case basis in certain decks?
>>47291561
Get all of your potential commanders you haven't used/rarely use, shuffle them face down, then draw 3. Choose one out of the three and make a deck using only cards you already own.
This horrible idea has come along way since last night, it's the most fun I've had building a deck since I was a little kid with my retarded ass Ritual Summon Yu-Gi-Oh deck.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/host-of-the-boros-legion/
I'm hoping I can get this deck to the point where it has a functional strategy, and then tighten it up after I've been able to actually play games with it. No sense spending $20 on cards I may not truly, actually need.
However, given that I'm going a soldier token + lords/anthems spam and some helpful instants on the side, how does this look so far? Am I missing some essentials for that strategy before I fill the ranks out with just stuff I like?
I'm basically looking to get this roughly on par with the power of the sealed Commander products, and then worry about upgrades after.
>>47291561
>that fucking kenny pretending to be spenny picture
>he's singing a song that's like "grandpa stop molesting me"
>while fucking up spenny's gorgeous guitar
Fuck I miss that show, I would wreck a trivia contest about it.
Anyways, I know that exact feel. I try to build all these fancy tri-colour decks when a mono-black drana deck with targeted hand destruction was the most fun I've ever had.
>>47291640
Lookin' good, anon. Maybe get a Figure of Destiny and Balefire Liege in there. And more Anthems for your tokens to make them stronk
Also holy shit I did not realize Agrus Kos buffed himself to a 5/5
2 thoughts about the 4 color commander product, one being good and the other being the best worst idea:
1. Since the commander products are typically 2 new commanders and 1 old in the colors of the deck, it'd be nice if the old ones for these are the Nephilim from original Ravnica, all oracled to being Legends (since even MaRo himself said they were supposed to be)
2. What if one of the new cycles for each of the decks are 4 color Walkers with the "~ can be your commander." ability?
>>47286044
Kraj went from being a janky asshole to being my favorite commander really quickly. Using enemy activated abilities is nuts. Makes the Memnarch player in my group very sad.
>>47291826
I was a little worried the token generation itself wasn't quite strong enough and was missing that clinching victory condition, but if it's looking alright, hey.
>>47290051please respond ;_;
>>47286773
WUBR Artifact commander
WURG Flicker commander
I don't really care about the rest
>>47292312
Abzan Banner could be any number of different, better mana rocks, like darksteel ingot or commander's sphere. You should probably drop the mana myr, they're a bit too vulnerable. Neither of the returned creatures are great without some flicker or other ways to reuse their ETB effects. Undercity Informer seems underpowered without a token producer. Overall not as bad a deck as I assumed it would be.
>>47290051
>>47292312
Greater Good
Dread Return
Unburial Rites
I dunno, Abzan Charm
You can start by getting rid of the jank like Destroy the Evidence and Returned Centaur
>>47286773
>WUBR Control/Aggro
>WUBG Pillowfort
>WURG Artifact Hate/Hatebears
>WBRG Tron
>UBRG Whatever
>>47290000
WITNESSED
Do you guys mind if deck lists are posted? I'm gearing up to gather pieces for my first commander deck. Trying to keep it sub 200 bucks. Running jhoira if anyone is interested.
>>47292612
Post it on tappedout if you do
>>47292612
Go for it, dude. Sometimes you'll only get a single response, but yeah, it's what this general is for. That, talking about announcements, and bitching about Narset.
>>47292681
This too.
>>47292612
and make sure to post the tappedout link, not a screenshot
>>47289259
>that image
holy fuck somebody's mad
Shit thanks guys.
Here ya go. tappedout.net/mtg-decks/10-05-16-my-first-edh-deck/
>>47292858
You have a budget limit?You also have 2 copies of ponder.
>>47292887
Whoops, fixed that. Now i need an extra card. As far as budget goes I'd like to keep it sub 200 or even sub 180 if possible. Colorless spells help so i can keep the manabase from tearing my wallet to shreds.
>>47292954
omniscience and enter the infinite.
>>47292858
Urza lands aren't great in EDH, and neither are rituals. Winterflame is too low impact. Mage-Ring Responder should probably just be another Eldrazi. Mana Leak should be a different counterspell. Not sure about replacements, but I would start there for cuts.
>>47292858
Also Bosh seems somewhat wasted without decent sacrifice fodder. I doubt you want to fling your mana rocks.
>finally got a Kuldotha Forgemaster for my Mishra Artifacts
Hell yes. I don't know why I waited so long. One or two more pieces and my deck will be complete!
I'll fix the land base another day, or year.
>>47293127
Why is Gideon all blue there?
>>47293172
He wants to be more like the charismatic protagonist, Jace Beleren.
>>47283393
My money is on flip cards as this year's commander gimmick.
Make both sides 2-colored and you still have a four-colored commander identity.
That, or hybrid mana/off-color activation costs.
How do you guys generally approach a land base for your deck?
>>47293299
You mean double-sided cards. Flip cards are those kamigawa ones with two on the same side.
