Stat me
>>47205203
LE Human Aristocrat 1
Str 9, Dex 11, Con 12, Int 8, Wis 7, Cha 14
>>47205203
whos that?
>>47205237
Donald "If It Speaks Spanish I Make It Vanish" Trump
>>47205203
Str 100, Dex 100, Con 100, Int 9000, Wis 9000, Cha 9000
>>47205262
Ah, alright.
carry on
-4 Hair
>>47205273
>int 9000
I would disagree, but he was sure smart picking the right party who would elected him.
>>47205203
Human Noble being puppeted by a parasite disguised as a toupee.
>>47205203
Stating the God Emperor is a form of heresy
Owlbear with a -4 Hair.
>>47205229
>Dex 11
With stubby little fingers like that? C'mon.
>>47205448
How else is he going to build great walls?
>>47205460
Hire illegals to do it?
>>47205460
Slaves.
Building things yourself is for Commoners, not Aristocrats.
>>47205375
The only thing he's a God Emperor of, is /pol/.
>>47205203
LE Human Rogue [Charlatan] (8)
Str: 12
Dex: 11
Con: 8
Int: 7
Wis: 6
Cha: 19
LawfulNeutral
>>47205514
>7 int
He's a successful business leader. And has said the only reason he would rum as a Republican I'd because the primary base is retarded. He knows how to play the system.
If that is not being intelligent, I don't know what is.
>>47205514
>LE
I thought "good intentions, bad way to get them done" was CG.
>>47205375
He is Dorn.
Get your facts straight.
>>47205635
>successful
>>47205691
He has dramatically increased his fortune from what he inherited, which is succesful in most books.
HC: Ambitious political wannabe
T: Everyone's just mad because I'm better than them
A: My toupee is my best quality
A: Feminism is for ugly bitches
A: Political turmoil sustains my lifeforce
+4 Deceive
+3 Provoke
+2 Contacts
+1 Resources
Stunts:
Use Provoke instead of Rapport when appealing to feminist haters
+2 to Creating Advantage with Resources when conning people into funding your campaign
Endearing toupee: once per campaign, clear all Social stress or reduce a Social Consequence by 1 step by having a hair malfunction on national television
>>47205691
>muh 4 bankruptcies
The dude is worth billions and had dozens of companies. It's inevitable that some of them would fail.
I don't like him in the slightest, but attacking his business record is the shittiest path because it's the most easily refuted.
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>>47205719
And there are different types of bankruptcy, including the one where you declare bankruptcy to restructure the company - which is what Trump's were
>>47205203
Dark Heresy Donald Trump
Highborn
Adeptus Administratum
Desperado
WS: 38
BS: 71 (he carries a PDW)
S: 40
T: 58
Int: 80
Fellowship: 75
Willpower: 60
Perception: 60
>>47205659
>people really think Donald Trump cares about the United States or its people
>people think any extremely wealthy or powerful person cares about the United States or its people
It‘s all about money and power and fame, for both Trump and the Clintons. Which is why we need Bernie.
>>47205635
His businesses do not thrive because he is intelligent. His businesses thrive because he's disgustingly rich and knows how to speak favorably and flatteringly. He runs his businesses by using his money and smooth-talking to trick people that DO know how to run businesses into telling him how they would handle particular situations.
>>47205659
Trump does not run on good intentions. If he did, he would sound much like every other candidate ever. When Trump speaks, he does not describe a country that would be good for its citizens regardless of his own desires; he describes a country that he would like to see regardless of the desires of others.
That sounds pretty indicative of LE, to me.
>>47205901
>willingly voting for the guy who says all problems in the world are caused by rich people
>willingly voting for the guy that will cause a huge rise in inflation
>>47205901
And you think that Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton are any better because?
Some beholders manage to channel their pervasive xenophobic tendencies into a terrible despotism
>>47205635
It doesn't take a genius to make money from a business. And most of the reason he was able to, was because he started wealthy to begin with. If you have a million, it's not difficult to find a reliable something to invest in. Hell you could always buy controlling shares of a popular shopping-mall toy chain, drive it into the ground, and rake in the insurance from it. See example KB Toys.
>>47205715
See, but he would be worth significantly more if he had just left it in a mutual fund. Saying that he succeeded when doing nothing would have made him richer than what he did seems a tad disingenuous. Rather, it's a testament to his father that he was able to put Trump in such a place that even with the series of monumental fuck ups that is Trump's business career he is still worth anything.
>>47205719
Trump Steaks
GoTrump.com
Trump Airlines
Trump Vodka
Trump Mortgage
Trump: The Game
Trump Magazine
Trump University
Trump Ice
The United States Football League
The Tour de Trump
Trump on the Ocean
The Trump Network
Trumped!
Trump New Media
This is based on just the most cursory of google searches. It took me longer to type it up than it took to find it. The business angle is probably pretty strong. Now, you're right, not everything the Trump Organization has owned has gone under. But then, not everything the Trump Organization has owned had Trump's personal involvement. Three guesses what the common thread linking the list above is.
>>47205931
>Lel I get all my infurmashun frum Faux News!
>>47205448
Holds a Concealed Carry Permit, he's a competent marksman.
>>47206075
Well he has to be competent at something, I guess.
>>47206040
But that's wrong though. Sure you can earn a lot of money through mutual funds, but they aren't magic.
>>47206040
Oh don't forget anon! Those business ventures weren't "failures", but rather "restructuring the company".
>>47205931
>>willingly voting for the guy who says all problems in the world are caused by rich people
Most problems in the US can be traced back to the either the very rich or the very poor. Based on that it's obvious what we should do.
>>willingly voting for the guy that will cause a huge rise in inflation
Inflation+Increased wages is moot. Bernie is the only mainstream candidate who actually cares about personal liberty and the right to privacy, things which both parties are set to trample on.
>>47205982
>didn't read my post
The Clintons are political animals, they don't care about average people any more than Trump does.
We /pol nao!
>>47206119
>Personal liberty
Can't agree more. It is really sad to see the two leading candidates appeal to the fear that people have instead of promising to end the US government's unconstitutional surveillance. Sure you had Rand up in arms against the program, but he didn't last that long.
>>47206141
This thread should never have been made.
>>47206119
>Based on that it's obvious what we should do.
yes, we kill the poor
>>47206040
He turned 4 million in to 4 billion, I'll leave you to work out what kind of return is on that. What you are reading is called propaganda and misinformation, it is the same thing Bernie Sanders would tell you when we could give you all these free things.
His business knowledge is amazingly savy, there is not a single established businessman who does not explore other option and ventures to expand the brand and name of his company. He may spend 10 million on exploring a dozen new frontiers and businesses and they all may fail, but the one that hits will make a return that completely outweighs his previous losses.
It is how businesses stay relevant, market research and constant innovation.
>>47206156
So... Basically 99% of the US...
>>47206156
>yes, we kill the poor
And allow the rich to force the middle class into poverty?
You didn't think this through m8.
>>47206096
Huh. Thanks for directing me to the article. It goes on to state that while the 8 billion number is inaccurate because it's based on the money Trump received in 1982, which couldn't properly be called his father's money, the underlying assumption that trump would be worth more if he just sat on his hands for thirty years is actually borne out. Thanks for encouraging me to have a deeper understanding of the issues.
>>47206156
Been trying that with wars, and suck ass medical care for a long time. Let's knife the rich this time and see if things improve for the middle class.
>>47206095
>Business
>Public relations
>Marksmanship
>Hotellier
>Acting
>Media relations
>Finances
>Loss prevention
>And now politics
>Building walls
>Making others pay for them
Turns out there's more than one, when Ol' 'Gibmedat' Sanders cannot convince others of his use while running against the single most knowingly corrupt family in Ameican politics. He still lost.
>>47206188
>>47206211
That was obviously tongue-in-cheek, make
Also, even though I like the god-emperor enough to go out, register to vote, and then vote for him, please keep /pol/ on /pol/.
>>47205203
The future savior of the United States.
>>47205203
CE Shit-poster. Get the fuck off /tg/ with this shit, if I wanted /pol/ I would go to /pol/.
>>47206243
Godddamit, *mate
>>47206224
Considering Sanders is an Agnostic Jewish Socialist, I'm amazed he's even in the running at all. This IS the United States we're talking about, here.
>>47206096
>>47206216
There is also the fact he would not have had the lifestyle and media profile he has today therefore the article is doubly-false.
There is a reason every established publication and mainstream republican and democrat institute is against him.
He is the best thing for American politics as if we have a businessman with very little political experience running -AND WINNING-, there is nothing to stop the Democrats from doing the same. This could change the politcal landscape, it is up to the Democrats if they really want to change the system or fall back to their basic political voting patterns
The idea that trump did worse with his money than index funds is shitty memery
How he did it was being an enormous kike who abused the shit out of eminant domain, bankruptcy law, and in some cases outright scamming
But at least he's not running on a platform which advocates flooding already supersaturated job markets with immigrants who don't speak english, and he doesn't advocate for expansion of legal and institutional discrimination against whites
>>47206257
Are you kidding? Secular Jewish socialists are what the coastal elites aspire to be.
>>47206257
He's the same as every other politian, he's just in a different wrapper. He promised the same stuff as Obama, free this and free that and we won't have to pay for anything. And most of our generation really believed him.
Congratulations to them, they participated in wealth redistribution and now know why he was not popular outside of that demographic.
>>47206290
Usually they have the good sense to stay behind the throne, the vizier shouldn't try to wear the crown
Also, general image for the thread
>>47206257
According to republican talking heads, we have been living in a socialism ever since Roosevelt. Just don't point out that would make St.Reagan a socialist, as that will cause them to froth at the mouth.
>>47206040
>implying all businessmen do not have a handful of failures
Stay mad, bernouts! Heil der Trumpenfuhrer we're making America White again!
>>47206347
>>47205931
>>47205982
Different anon. Bernie is hands down the best candidate because he cares the most, by a wide margin, about getting money out of politics, and is even supporting candidates for congress with a similar opinion on it to his. Him winning the biggest office in the country without sucking corporate cock would be a very important message to send to the United States. I disagree with many of his policies but none are as important as this one, because with so many politicians blatantly owned by lobbyists and corporations, nothing in the interest of the people can get done. Also, disagree with him or not, Bernie Sanders is fucking honest.
Hillary is the polar opposites, willing to say anything to anybody if she thinks it will further her cause, which is utterly self serving. She represents every perversion of liberalism but much of the democratic party is under the retarded mindset that it's her turn. For this reason, even though I dislike Trump, I think that Hillary is by far the worst of the three.
As a european with no stakes in this, let me say:
Donald Trump is the best choice for America and I actually think he truly cares
>>47206330
No, don't you know, all businesses only put out successful products that last forever. It's why every thread on /tg/ is talking about the first edition of every game, which was perfectly made, and how every studio only puts out perfect first editions and never makes a bad game, or just a good game that doesn't sell well enough to justify it's continued production
>>47206290
That doesn't mean they want one in office. From the perspective of the ultra-wealthy, the government is a tool to subjugate the poor. Any WASPy good ole boy can do that just fine, while giving them the illusion he's on their side.
>>47205925
>his businesses do not thrive because he is intelligent
>therefore his INT should be SEVERELY below AVERAGE
Dude I dislike trump but this is retarded
>>47206368
Just so you know, he thinks you guys are already living under sharia law.
>>47206401
To be fair, Germany, Sweden, France, and the UK aren't all of Europe.
>>47206367
> Bernie is hands down the best candidate because he cares the most, by a wide margin, about getting money out of politics, and is even supporting candidates for congress with a similar opinion on it to his.
He cares the most because he says he cares the most? Circular logic. He bailed out the bankers, he is and has always been, in their pocket. Look at his voting record in congress he bailed out Wallstreet and others.
And of course he is supporting candidates that share his opinions... that is how politics works.
> Him winning the biggest office in the country without sucking corporate cock would be a very important message to send to the United States. I disagree with many of his policies but none are as important as this one, because with so many politicians blatantly owned by lobbyists and corporations, nothing in the interest of the people can get done. Also, disagree with him or not, Bernie Sanders is fucking honest.
His campagain was, in part, funded by lobbyists. He may of been a bit more selective but he was still in their pocket. Donald Trump self-funded, he is beholden to nobody except his votes which is why the call for him has been the strongest. He is not honest as he places a tax on furture growth, just like we have by the baby boomers, the thing you protest against is the exact same thing that the baby boomers did to us.
DISHONEST!
>>47206401
The expansion is exagerated, but some regions literally are
>>47206401
>implying they're not going to be
But seriously though, let this shit thread die, unless you want to discuss whether or whether not there has been a decent president in the past 40 years.
>>47206156
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owI7DOeO_yg
>>47206401
He doesn't and that kind of retarded statement is why you can't take leftists in America seriously
You began to lie for political gain, but nowadays you actually believe the bullshit you spout about others
>"let's call Donald trump a racist"
>"based on which of his statements"
>"lul I don't know"
The sad thing isn't that you say that shit, the sad thing is that you believe it
>>47206453
Has there been?
>>47206183
There are a number of pieces of misinformation in your post, which I'll endeavor to correct, armed with the article other anon directed me to, along with other research.
So, when you say four million, I'm assuming you refer to the money he had in 1974, when he became president of his father's real estate company. That figure is incorrect, because the company at the time was worth 200 million, meaning that divided between him and his siblings he received 40 million. Or perhaps you were referring to his net worth in 1982, which was roughly 200 million.
Then there's the estimation of his current net worth. Fortune put in a generous estimate of slightly over 3 billion, I'll link the article:
http://fortune.com/2016/03/02/donald-trump-tax-returns-income/
>market research and constant innovation.
That's true, but what you've described, and what trump has exhibited, is less akin to research and more resembling dumping millions of dollars into an empty field and hoping it grows a money tree.
>>47206385
Also, he's acknowledging that Trump is really good at manipulating people and getting them to work hard for them, which is stupid of Trump because obviously he should know everything about every aspect of his businesses. What kind of leader delegates? The President is certainly not a near-figurehead position who needs to know how to wrangle various governmental houses, subcommittees, and agencies, along with lots of special interests, to get any work done.
>>47206431
>Trump
>Beholden to anyone but his narcissism
top kek
>>47206431
>Very important message to send to the United States
Donald Trump has done that by showing that anybody with the finances can win the nominee. If the democrats want to, they can vote for their own businessman/philanthropist. Bernie Sanders shows that old, white, Jewish people will say anythign to stay in power.
You have failed to present any rational point other than I think, I feel and I know.
NOT AN ARGUMENT.
>>47206040
>Google+
>Google Glass
>Google X
>Google Answers
>Google Web Accelerator
>Google Video
>iGoogle
>Google Reader
>Google Notebook
>Google Page Creater
>Google Lively
>Google Health
>Google Fast Flip
>Google Wave
>Google Buzz
Google confirmed a failure of a company.
And that mutual fund thing is absurd, if he liquefied all his father's assets and invested them all at the absolute perfect time, then after leaving it for decades and decades he might have almost as much money as he has now.
Only, instead of traveling all over the world fucking models, building a massive empire, raising a successful family, etc, he would have been living in a cheap apartment somewhere because all his money would be tied up.
He took a few million and turned it into billions, how delusional do you have to be to convince yourself that that's a failure?
>>47206480
Can you explain? What is his narcissism? First rule of politics is attack the attacker otherwise the population belives it to be true, psy 101.
Again, you provide nothing to debate so to quote Hitchens razor. What can be asserted with out evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
DISMISSED!
>>47206475
>what trump has exhibited, is less akin to research and more resembling dumping millions of dollars into an empty field and hoping it grows a money tree.
You do not believe that he has just jumped on any random idea and thrown money at it in the hopes that some takes root. This is ad-hominen . No profitable company (Except Games Workshop) ignores market research, market trends and their customer base they commission their reports, their statements, everything to find out what and why they spend.
The facts are this, every report about his money, save those that come from his own mouth, are estimated guesses at best. His quality of life is plain to see, his financial assets are there for all to see and his opinions are plain to see. Beyond that, we cannot possibly know what he does not have.
>All these people saying he has low INT despite having an IQ of 156, which he has repeatedly demonstrated by his incredible business success and unparallelled mastery of persuasion.
Sixteen defeated candidates and liberals STILL aren't taking Trump seriously. Oh man this election is going to be such a cakewalk if they keep mistaking his mastery of branding for buffoonery just because he has New York mannerisms.
>>47206367
The guy has next to no actual work experience. His decades in politics have yielded no real successes - he got a few post offices renamed and that's about it. He's good at grandstanding, I'll give you that.
>>47206594
>IQ
>meaningful in any practical sense
>>47206574
>>47206491
TYPING IN CAPS MAKES ME RIGHT
>>47206657
>IQ and success in the most competitive market in the world
>Not meaingful in any practical sense
Holy shit, he made billions, how is that not a practical thing to do?
Fucking bern victims.
>>47206431
Sanders is in bankers pockets
Enthusiastic trump voters will believe anything.
>>47206657
IQ is an excellent predictor of success
>>47206657
>The point
>The Andromeda Galaxy
>Your head
The point is, if Clinton wants to defeat Trump, if liberals want to stop Trump, they have to take him seriously. They have tried insulting and demeaning him like they do to every conservative and it just doesn't work on him.
They call him stupid, simple, and unpersuasive, because they want to believe he is stupid, simple, and unpersuasive. But he literally just gone done conquering the GOP, full on outsider takeover of the party of Lincoln while making some of their best candidates look like a bunch of saps.
If the Democrats go into this election thinking Trump is going to be an easy opponent or a fool, they are going to get destroyed by his mastery of persuasion just like every other candidate he's faced so far has been.
I've seen Democrats and liberal talking heads for weeks now, BEGGING people on the Left to take Trump seriously, because they've seen the writing on the wall, and know that its going to be an uphill battle for Hillary.
Lawful Good, of course.
>>47206679
IGNORING THE REST OF THE POST TO FOCUS ON THE FORMATTING MAKES ME RIGHT
>>47205203
LN Human Entrepreneur
Str 10, Dex 10, Con 11, Int 14, Wis 6, Cha 20
>>47206594
Yeah, they really have no idea what's coming.
Bitter Bernie Bros staying home on election day, blue collar guys who usually vote Democrat defecting, white collar guys who are socially liberal but just lost their job to Pajeets jumping on the bandwagon... Shillary doesn't stand a chance.
>>47206712
>Best candidates
I think that's more to do with how shit the GOP has gotten. As for Trump, the reason some people still don't take him seriously is because of how much he continues to dig his own grave. He can't win the general with the support he's got now, and he's not going to win over independents if he keeps pissing off hispanics and women.
>>47206686
>But unlike President Barack Obama, who refused campaign contributions from registered lobbyists, Sanders’ campaign confirmed it does not ban lobbyists from making contributions — even as Sanders has called on the Democratic Party to maintain a ban, implemented by Obama, on lobbyists giving to the Democratic National Committee.
>Top Backers
>Amazon
>Apple
>Alphabet Inc
You know that last one is? Google, the company that evades and avoides the most taxes in the US outside of Apple and Amazon. Funny how they would be Bernie Sanders top lobbyists? They pay the least tax and have relocated HQs and head offices outside the US just so they can avoid paying 'their fair share'.
>>47206744
BEING COAXED INTO A SNAFU BY SHITTY TROLLING MAKES YOU A RETARD
>>47206770
Didn't he recetly poll as being more popular than hillary
>>47205375
Do you mean statting?
>>47206491
>Donald Trump has done that by showing that anybody with the finances can win the nominee.
>>47206770
See, we call this part of the process "Denial".
Whether you support Trump or not, the reality is that both political parties and the entire media hated his guts, and many still do, for his entire race so far. They treated him like a joke, they treated him like an idiot, they said "Oh he'll drop out before the first primary" when he was at the top of the polls.
And then he won several primaries and they said "Well he'll never win Florida" and then he won Florida.
Then they said "Well we're heading to a contested convention anyway and it won't matter"
When someone asked Trump is he thought he could get to 1237 a few weeks ago, he said he expected to end at over 1400 and the reporters laughed at him. Well now Lyin Ted is out and he's poised to end at almost 1600 by June 7th.
If you keep underestimating him, you people WILL LOSE. He is doing better with independents, and with blacks, than any other Republican in decades, he is pulling in millions of first-time voters, and on the Clinton side, most of the excitable members of their base went for Bernie, not her.
The wiser members of the Left are quickly wising up to the fact, that defeating Trump is going to be a massive undertaking. He is already beating Hillary in many polls, and he has just barely started engaging with her.
>>47206464
And you are so tiny dicked that anything you disagree with must have been done by those damn liberals! When did American conservatives become the party of cowards?
>>47206788
http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-general-election-trump-vs-clinton
Not really. Yeah yeah, huffpo, but they're just aggregating poll results here so no one get their panties in a bunch. One poll out of like 30 shows Trump with a lead.
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>>47206831
In shitposting we trust.
>>47205203
LG Human Paladin 10
Str 12, Dex 10, Con 15, Int 16, Wis 13, Cha 19
>>47206850
Since they lost in 2012, which they had it by the fucking balls and STILL lost it.
>inb4 2014
Almost every presidential 3rd term that shit happens.
>>47206846
No he's not.
>>47206491
>Donald Trump has done that by showing that anybody with the finances can win the nominee.
He's spent less money than any presidential candidate, and he became the nominee earlier than Hillary. Remember, he had to knock off 16 candidates, and Hillary only had 4.
>>47206224
I love Trump, but there's no way he's actually getting someone else to pay for the wall.
If there ever IS a wall, we're going to eat the cost in taxes.
>>47206574
But the reports that come out of his own mouth are the one's least grounded in facts. He claims his net worth is over 10 billion. This is up from an earlier claim of 8 billion. The man is on record claiming that his net worth fluctuates with his emotional state.
>>47206940
And Hillary's chief opponent is literally a an old Jewish socialist.
>>47206963
He's said repeatedly he's not going to literally ask Mexico for money, he's going to pay for the wall by taxing remittances, using tariffs, or some other such method.
Mexico is footing the bill whether they like it or not.
>>47206963
You realize we could just shut off foreign aid to Mexico until they effectively pay for it, right?
>>47206984
You forget he can only win states Trump's gonna win anyway and only white people like him.
>>47206831
Look at the cost per vote he paid in advertising during the whole campaign. Not just for a Democratic stronghold. The Democratic party is an abortion, you have the most corrupt politian winning and a man who promises the youth everything. Two career politians.
Is there nobody else? The Republicans had one of the nations best Brain Surgeons in the country, Indians, Hispanics, businessmen and all sorts. We crushed them, we drove the old money and the old favorites out of the party. Jeb Bush? Favorite, hah.
TRUMP STATUS, UNSTUMPED.
>>47206963
I thought so too until I read up on it. There are billions going through Western Union and finacial services to Mexico from California, Texas, Arizona, Oklahoma, New Mexico. Huge sums of money lost to another country without tax.
He wants to levy that against Mexico, payments towards the walls completion or we cut off the desperate lifeline that Mexico uses to care for its worst off.
>>47206970
My point exactly, all we can know for sure is the assets and monetary influence he wields now.
>>47206831
Trump effectively paid 13 cents per vote in New York and won it in a massive landslide when there were 2 other people running.
Bernie effectively paid 9 dollars per vote there and he lost.
This is why businessmen are better than politicians.
>>47205203
What creature in D&D has tiny enough hands to represent him?
>>47207160gnomes
>>47207175
No, not Marco Rubio. Donald Trump.
>>47207286
oh well in that casedwarf or Mul
>>47207301
Since Trump gets 3 hours of sleep every night and eats one meal a day, being able to work nonstop for the rest of the day, I'd say a Mul fits perfectly.
>>47206963
Of all the Trump policies to call impossible this is literally the simplest thing he's proposed.
>>47206850
>conservatives
>cowards
>as opposed to liberals, the inventors of safe spaces, microaggressions, and social media mob apologies.
>'my team vs. your team' retards ITT actually think the Trump supporters are a bunch of staunch party-first Republicans
kek
>>47206367
>socialist
>best at anything but being economy illiterate
Best canidate hands down is Mcaffe
>>47206491
I really hope you're a libertarian or an-cap, because otherwise you shouldn't be using not an argument
>>47206119
>Bernie is the only mainstream candidate who actually cares about personal liberty and the right to privacy, things which both parties are set to trample on.
Hahahahahahaha.
Sanders doesn't give a rats ass about that. He'll say anything to stay in power.
Only people who ran this election who cared about that was rand and the candidates for the libertarian party.
Bernie is as much a charlatan and fraud as clinton or trump, he's just better at convincing his supporters that he's not
>>47207591
Why not? It is literally democrazy in action, somebody with the ability to handle the logistics and financial demand therefore he does not need to rely on others to get his voice heard.
Yes, we are not ever going to be able to represent ourselves. But you can find somebody to do so, they have seen it can be done. They can push themselves in to the limelight and take the power away from career politians.
Flipfag here. I've been paying attention to the US elections and don't necessarily fit in with either US left or right politics.
Just gotta say, win or lose, Trump is gonna walk out of this election with delicacy, unlike Hillary who would come out winning dirty or losing with foul comeuppance.
This is a guy who gives very little shit whether or not he becomes President because with all his money and businesses, becoming president probably makes him GIVE UP some of the power he already holds.
>>47207648
Mostly because Molyneux is an an-cap.
It's not quite the same thing as using the "that's a spook" argument and not being an egoist, but it's rather similar.
And while I agree that message needs to be heard, electing someone like trump isn't the way to do it. What we need is a third party to rise and shake things up, as that wouldn't simply tell the establishment that if they don't change they could lose control of the party, but that if they don't listen they could very easily go the way of the whigs. Which is why the libertarian surge is so great. Thanks to the amount of never trump and never clinton voters, people are looking for new options.
Only 4% more and they make it to the national debates, and with that level of publicity things would get really crazy
>>47205496
Man, I hope Trump wins.
When 100% of the politicians hate the fucker he is the one I want winning.
>>47207780
Trump is the third option, you dingus.
>>47207747
>Do you know how much power I'd have to give up to be president?
>>47206367
Bernie Sanders is not fucking honest in any way.
He constantly claims that economists support his tax plans when almost none do, claims NAFTA cost us jobs when it didn't, and his attacks on Hilary are almost all unsubstantiated.
>>47206747
I think this one is pretty accurate, Trump does lack some Wisdom at times.
>>47207821
Oh so THAT's why he wears the toupee.
>>47207821
>>47207791
actually this.
>>47207780
Yes they are, but change like this does not happen over night. It has to be gradual. This election Trump is elected. The next one the Democrats bring up their own version, a left-wing big government guy who wants to taxt the shit out of everybody and whatever. Behind that, people agree that the two party system needs to change.
We have chance to make things better in the future by shaking up the political landscape by electing Trump. You can bitch and moan and try to force something that is never going to happen or you can get behind the small change that is not the best, but it is something.
I'll type that again. We can wait and wait for the big change to happen which won't ever happen. Or... we can accept the small change and gradually move it forward with each election.
>>47207791
This too, when both sides unite against one man. One with a track record of action over words, its got to be good.
>>47207870
It's his real hair. The more you repeat this line, the dumber your camp looks.
>>47207869
What's weird though is even when he says or does something which makes him look bad, the guy just steamrolls through it. I've never seen a campaign like this before.
>>47207810
Yeah, sure. Keep telling yourself that.
He's another authortian, only this time with a slightly different way of selling it. What's more, over the past few weeks he's begun to step back on all his claims and positions, becoming more moderate.
Now he wants to tax the rich, softened his stance on muslim bans, suports an increase in the minimum wage, is against the NC laws. At this rate the wall will be nothing more than a really long chain link fence.
Trump is all bark and no bite. He's no more change than Obama was.
But people didn't learn then and won't learn now it seems.
>>47207937
Sounds like he's pulling his head out of his ass.
>>47207904
>We can wait and wait for the big change to happen which won't ever happen.
Except it has happened. Multiple times in US history. The death of the federalists, Jackson and the democrats, the death of the whigs, the rise of the republicans, FDR and the end of individualisim, the rise of conservatism in the 80's. To say big change isn't going to happen is to ignore the historical record.
This thread is only for political shitposting, but I'd give him mildly low INT and WIS with decent CHA.
The problem with Trump is that he has no idea what he's talking about on several fronts. His foreign policy is fucking insane (he wants to make Japan a nuclear state, which China is most likely willing to use nukes to prevent, and he said he wants to leave fucking NATO, which is a bad idea for so many fucking reasons), his trade policy is bad (trade reduces prices at the cost of some jobs in the short-term, but the jobs eventually come back while prices stay low), and his immigration policy is terrible—not only because immigrants are generally good for the US economy (unless you're a noskills high school dropout like half his supporters), but also because a wall is going to do fucking nothing. Have you guys ever seen a Mexican work to get what he wants? A huge wall isn't gonna do shit.
He also said that he would "make a deal" to reduce US debt, which is probably the worst possible move he could make. US Debt is a ridiculously secure asset and has been since 1776. Trying to re-negotiate its value could lead to a global economic collapse, and it would certainly fuck over Americans in a million difference ways.
His refugee policy is also pretty terrible. Europe should avoid taking in refugees, but via the power of GLORIOUS AMERICAN CAPITALISM refugees that come here wind up doing better than those that go to any other nation. Seriously, look at these stats:
http://www.migrationpolicy.org/research/integration-outcomes-us-refugees-successes-and-challenges
As much as I dislike the two-party system, I can never vote for Trump. His positions on every policy are too bad. That and I find his public persona extremely annoying—especially since he gets extremely defensive about any attack on him when he's a massive douchebag to everybody else.
>>47207937
Trump never took money from Koch, Monsanto, or anyone. Unlike Obama.
>>47207955
No, it sounds like he's becoming just another shitty politician with establishment views.
He's not a change, and because of that, there's no reason to vote for him. Him, Shillary, bernie, the now dropped out cruz, all of them are different sides of the same coin. A very odd, 4 sided coin, but that really doesn't matter
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>>47207003
Yes, all those white Native Alaskans, and white Native Hawaiians.
>>47208008
The establishment wants open borders, job outsourcing, and mass Muslim migration, so I'm curious as to what precisely you think is establishment about him.
>>47207373
Oh those mean liberals. Look at all the dastardly things they are doing. Your not really refuting the idea that you are cowards by pointing out the other team is shitty. You can both be shit. Liberals are spineless in order to try and please everyone, but conservatives are dickless cowards afraid of bogeymen.
take it to /pol/ guys
>>47208026
>The establishment wants mass Muslim migration
This is how I know you're retarded.
>>47207955
He's realizing he might actually have to try to run a country and that behaving like a reality TV star might not be the way to do it. An unimportant and cheesy businessman can't just bulldoze his way over or through the kind of powers and responsibilities an American President has to deal with. Of course, the idiots who voted for him thought it would really be that simple for him to do so.
>>47208026
The establishment is a tool to further expand the state and its power.
To give more power to the fed so that the politicans have more control over your life.
It doesn't hold any real postions, it says what it must in order to win. Like Hillary. Like bernie. Like trump. Nothing more than people who want power, which are the people who should never be given power
And the only thing trump hasn't already begun to back pedal on out of that is the outsourcing jobs, but that's protectionism which was BTFO'd long ago.
>>47208053
Thanks, friend. I almost thought you were going to give me an actual argument, but it seems you're only capable of shitposting.
>>47207976
You can not compare what happens back then as there is not the social policy and media control there is now. Granted you could off set that with the lack of education people had back then.
Big change rarely happens now, it is gradual change we must look towards. Big change will always fail as people are conditioned to accept what there is now incase it changes for the worst.
I maintain that Trump is a good thing overall for the political landscape of the US.
>>47207977
>he wants to make Japan a nuclear state, which China is most likely willing to use nukes to prevent
I don't think China has a death wish. They wouldn't start a nuclear war over something so trivial. Even if Japan has atomic weapons, China has more and better ones. It would be the same as India and Pakistan.
>>47208071
You Libertarians completely ignore the fact that your freedoms are entirely dependent on a culture that is interested in retaining them.
If you import a new culture that spits on all your rights, then you will lose them.
>>47208069
To be fair to those idiots, niether the dems or repubs have any good canidates.
Bernies an economic illiterate, Hillary is Hillary, and trump is a blowhard charlatan who only rose to power by spewin inane bullshit.
The only decent options are third larty, and most people are scared of that.
>>47207904
>One with a track record of action over words
Didn't Trump just refuse to release his tax records? Like, when a few years ago he called on Romney to do the same?
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>>47208090
China might not want to start a nuclear war, but a non-nuclear invasion is extremely likely.
The Chinese remember Nanjing and they still hate the Japanese for it. If Japan has nukes its going to scare China shitless.
Besides, even if I am completely off on that point, Trump still has numerous other reasons for being a bad candidate.
>>47206782
source.
are you talking about donation by those corporations or by employees of those corporations?
>>47208091
And not all libertarians are open border faggots.
Read some hoppe nigger.
We are fine with protecting our borders, but we don't want to do it in an authortian way.
Also, no welfare would mean that only people who want to use the opportunities America provides would come here, not people looking to be paid to exist.
There a reason refugees head to the EU countires with the most welfare.
>>47206040
>wow lol drumpf? he financed infrastructure and created thousands of jobs when he could've just pushed his money around and turned it into more
What really updates my journal is that the fucks making fun of Trump for not being a finance parasite are the same ones who bitch about the finance industry. haha le drumpf amirite?
>>47208091
Also, basic human rights are inalienable, and can't be taken away just because the culture shifts.
As long as someone lives they have their basic human rights
>>47208121
>We are fine with protecting our borders, but we don't want to do it in an authortian way.
What does that even mean?
>>47208090
That is a good thing, since WW2 Japan has been completely committed to global stablity, they are one of the USs top trading partners, they have come to hold the same standards and have one of the lowest ranks of political corruption.
Look at the commitment to life Japan showed during the recent nuke meltdown. You would not see that with China, or any other country. Japan is infintely more preferable to China or any other Asian country.
>>47208101
No senior businessman or rich politian is going to release his tax records because they all take advantage of the same schemes. Sadly a truth
>>47208118
By those coorperations, they do not amount to much but he recieved the most out of all them. A simple search will provide them for you.
>>47208148
The constitution is a piece of paper. It can be changed with a supermajority vote of the senate and house.
I hope you like losing that right of free speech once you allow millions of Muslims in, breh.
>>47208148
Yes, yes they can be. Freedom of speech, right to bear arms, the right to free assembly, the right to unwarranted searches and surviellance.
>>47205203
bluffmancer bard.
>>47208098
Bernie's a tool for sure, but Hillary's everything a President needs to be in order to be President and protect the U.S.'s economical elite. Except, of course, subtle about it. Hillary's too obvious as a tool of the elite, but she's no more or less a tool than basically any other president since the late 70's, or why not much further back. People figured Trump wouldn't be a tool, because he was behaving like the other sort of tool, but now he's sobered the fuck up and realizing he can either be a tool and perhaps President, or remain the same kind of tool as before and be tossed aside like yesterday's garbage.
>>47208148
You don't even have an inalienable right of way, dude.
>>47208072
Why would I bother to seriously argue about politics on 4chan? Remember the old saying about arguing on the internet? Shitposting is much more fun. And you are retarded by the way, no one is agitating for mass muslim migration except in the delusional fear soaked minds of /pol/tards.
Holy shit this new capcha is cancer
>>47208184
>2nd Amendment
>basic human right
>>47208166
>Believing that American culture is weak enough to fall to a bunch of Towelheads
Give them 2 generations and they'll all be eating bacon and not going to whatever the Muslim version of church it except on whatever the Muslim version of Christmas is.
>>47208154
It means easier legal methods of immigration, as well as higher standards for immigrants so the US only gets the best of the best.
If you fo that and get rid of welfare, illagals won,t come here illegally. The ones who come here to leach have no reason, and the ones who come here to work have an easier method of doing so that doesn't involve illegal border crossing.
>>47208212
>It means easier legal methods of immigration, as well as higher standards for immigrants so the US only gets the best of the best.
That would effectively make legal immigration rates not change (but would change the demographics)
Are you saying making the immigration process take a long time to make sure they're serious about becoming American citizens is "authoritarian"? I think it's perfectly fine the way it is now, except that our terrorist screening process in visa approvals needs major work.
>>47208201
What do you even mean?
>>47208166
Good thing those rights are something granted by the constitution.
There is litteraly no way to take away the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness without killing someone. They can be restricted, but not taken away.
Even in the cruelest of prisons a person lives, can seek ways to be happy, and still has liberty, though to a much lesser extent
>>47208209
Oh, is that what's happening in Europe?
Or are they being subsumed by a violent and imperialist religion who seeks to eliminate the host country's culture for their own ends?
>>47208235
The current system isn't authortian. At least not on paper.
And I have to agree about the terrorist screening thing, but that is easily fixed.
>>47208194
She lies, that is it. She has been caught lying. She broke the law, risked national security, deleted and lost TOP SECRET information from her private server WHICH WAS HACKED, WE DO NOT KNOW BY WHO, and has got off without anything said.
To put it in perspective, a US Marine service in Iraq used his cell phone to send an email to his NCO that a man outside the base (outside the wire) Was suspicious and might be a terrorist. He was given 10 years and as it turns out the man was a terrorist.
Hilary signed a contract stating that ignorance of techonology, inability or lack of training would not be a suitable defense for losing secrets. She played all those cards, affirming her guilt in the matter but nothing has been done.
>>47208206
We have no 'basic human rights' there is no difference between the UNs declaration and the US Bill of rights. The only difference being is that with he 2nd Amendment we have the means to defend and preserve the rest of them. Only some people mock them.
>>47207955
or that was all a carefully calculated ruse, using hitlerian rhetoric, fingerpointing, and fearmongering to mobilize the least common denominator constituents behind his name, then to change his policies slowly towards what he actually supports, boiling the frog a degree at a time.
>>47208247
You're not listening. The Constitution exists because we as a culture want it to exist.
If a foreign culture replaced us, with the same set of laws and regulations and separation of powers we had, they would immediately be able to alter the Constitution by way of the Amendment process which is IN THE CONSTITUTION.
They could erase the entire thing legally. This is why if we lose our culture, we WILL lose the constitution.
>>47208268
>She lies, that is it. She has been caught lying. She broke the law, risked national security, deleted and lost TOP SECRET information from her private server WHICH WAS HACKED, WE DO NOT KNOW BY WHO, and has got off without anything said.
Bitch please, that's all in the job description.
>>47208249
>Europe
I don't recall talking about unimportant things. We're talking about America here, friend.
>>47208289
If we had the kind of population replacement going on in Europe right now, there would already be a Civil War 2.
>>47208249
Europe is a far cry from the USA. America has a history of taking violent immigrants that nobody likes and making them part of the melting pot.
See: the irish, the italians, the scots, the germans, the asians, many mexicans (though that's still in the process, but it's decreasing), the blacks (though they are far and away the least true of all of these. If only they followed the wrds of brooker t Washington), the Puritans and other religious outcasts, the poles and other easten Europeans, etc etc etc.
Europe doesn't have quite the same track record.
>>47208278
So we just let it be? We don't try to hold accountable our elected officials? When we have honest cops' lives being destroyed for discharing their duty and protecting themselves?
>>47208273
And basic human rights of life liberty and pursuit of happiness have fuck all to do with the constitution.
For starters, there from the declaration of independence you dipshit.
>>47208320
No, because the immigrants would quickly calm down, start working, and blend in. The only thing you'd see is an increase in Halal foods in some areas.
>>47208322
Funny how that didn't work on the San Bernandino killers or the Boston bomber or the Fort Hood Shooter.
>>47208347
>>47208322
Irish, Italians, Scots, Germans, Asians, and Mexicans don't seem to engage in widespread terrorist enterprises.
>>47208353
And the irish rioted in new york.
And the italians started the mob.
The Mexican have the cartels.
The blacks have inner city gangs.
The Puritans had witch trials.
>>47206693
IQ is an excellent mapper of a better education, which is an excellent predictor of success.
>>47208402
IQ is about pure logic, it actually has nothing to do with rote education. If you're educated enough to use a pencil and paper, you're educated enough t score perfectly on an IQ test.
>>47207977
NATO is now corrupt beyong belief and is hemoraging finacially. It is also largely staffed (boots on the ground) by Africans who actively prolong peacekeeping by raping children on all sides.
Nato was originally a counterbalance to the Warsar Pact which no longer exists officially, if he wants to pull out, he may be wise too and begin a new association. It is the US, UK and France that keep NATO aflout with money, nobody else.
>>47208422
NATO holds a shitload of political leverage on member and non-member states.
Leaving it is insane.
>>47208334
"We" try not to be naive by thinking blustering fools can change the world's most powerful political and economical establishment with a wave of their hand, or that it's fine to be a tool of the elite just as long as you aren't completely incapable of hiding it. Voting for "the right" Democrat or Republican isn't going to turn the global economy on its head.
>>47208432
Yes, it does have leverage. That's bad. We should let countries govern themselves.
>>47208154
Obviously it means protecting the border with sternly worded signage.
armed with two tower shields, one in each hand
>>47208445
>Willingly giving up diplomatic power for some retarded ideal of isolationism
>>47208166
> It can be changed with a supermajority vote of the senate and house.
It takes a lot more than that to amend the constitution.
>>47208466
Trump supporters think he can shout his way into lower payments on US debt without skullfucking global economic stability. They are a new level of delusional.
>>47208466
>national sovereignty is "isolationism"
This is why nobody likes you cosmopolitan scumbags.
>>47208492
I don't think anyone believes Trump will be able to eliminate the debt. All we can possibly hope for is for him to reduce it.
>>47208387
They all had the same Christian backgrounds, they had common ground between them all. No wine or beer on Sundays, church in the morning and celebrated and worshiped the same God for the most part. They did not demand special concessions to free speech, behavior or association something all 'Moderate Muslims' want.
>>47208438
The Republicans have done just that, they have universally got behind Donald Trump to hake up the establishment. You can try being the jaded pessimist all you want but the world is moving on without you, you can stand there and be an apologist for political corruption or you can vote Trump and see if things can change rather than resign to accepting they can not.
>>47208432
NATO does yes, why does it hold that politicla leaverage? By removeing ourselves from it we forsake any leaverage they have over the US, as well as the cost to maintain membership.
The US has basesharing (Not all of them through NATO) with the UK, France, Germany, Japan, Poland, Sweden and many more. NATO is dead, why do you think nothing happened when Russia annexed the oldest and one the most profitable ports in the whole of mainland Europe? It has failed in its mission for the sake of politics.
>>47208492
Trump supporters have discovered just how free trade works.
>>47208494
Thanks a lot man. I mean it. Now any time someone asks me why I just shitpost in politics threads, I can point to this post and say "Because arguing with retards isn't fun."
>>47208521
>By removeing ourselves from it we forsake any leaverage they have over the US, as well as the cost to maintain membership.
NATO is basically "Let the US love you tenderly" club. Why would we leave it?
>>47208494
Those countries are free to leave NATO any time they like. However, as long as somebody is loving them tenderly, it's in our best interest to make it us.
>>47208521
>They all had the same christian background
Don't make me laugh. Back groups like the irish were hated because of the fact that they were catholic.
People made the same fucking arguments. Catholics were to different. Catholics would subvert the american goverment and make it serve the pope. Catholics aren't like us WASPs and therefore they can't be trusted.
And now, a couple hundred years later, you're saying that Catholics like the irish and Protestants like them have the same background.
>>47205203
LVL1 Commoner with a small million dollar loan from a successful Expert (Merchant) father.
>>47208627
*back then groups like
>>47208582
Because we pay for membership, it is a % based. Begin a new association, the League of Nations failed and became NATO, now NATO has failed. Every 100 years this seems to happen.
>>47208627
There will -always- be a group to be hated, human nature. But we have nothing in common with those of he Middle-East, we breed conflict and antagonism between ourselves with them as our values of freedom of expression and religion and association run directly contrary to the Muslim values of orthodoxy, submission, abstenence and religious conformity.
Look at the UN delclarition of Human Rights and the Cairo Declaration of Human rights, the latter is confirmity to the muslim world.
>>47208681
I know the League of Nations has become the United Nations. What I meant to add was that NATO is slowly suppllanting the UN in terms of scope, power and ability.
Islam has been fighting against everyone else for about fourteen hundred years. The first Crusade was called for in 1095, after hundreds of years of Islamic aggression. Two hundred years ago the United States was fighting against Muslim pirates that cited the Quran as their justification for raiding and enslaving. Europe is being overwhelmed by migrants that don't respect their laws or culture and which have already begun demanding special status. They won't integrate.
Their religion and its advocates make it very clear that they won't make a lasting peace with any other spiritual or temporal power. I don't understand how this is a mystery after more than a thousand years of bloodshed.
>>47208521
No, what's happened is that Trump is changing his tune because now the powers that be are starting to excert their influence on him, because he has zero power to oppose them. He's a fool and an actor and he's not capable of taking on rhe literal world elite.
>>47208727
>Trump is changing his tune because now the powers that be are starting to excert their influence on him
Give me an example of this actually happening.
>>47208727
Wha'? Now he is changing his tune that he has the largest amount of votes in US Republican history? That his views are echoed by millions of US Citizens? That he has won the Republican Primary?
So now that he is sitting at the strongest position he has had since declarnig his intent to run, now he crumbles?
Please do furnish some concrete examples of this hilarious behavior.
>>47208015
Thank god someone posted it. I started to become anxious as I scrolled down looking.
I'm going to kill myself because I just felt anxiety over a fucking meme.
>>47208015
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>>47208681
And after 2 or 3 generations the middle eastern immigrants here will have nothing in common with the people in the middle east either.
I should know. My ancestors came here from ireland back in the early 1900s, only 4 generations ago or so. And I've been to the place they come from in ireland many times, the most recent being over this summer, and the people there have practically nothing in common with my family.
Yet back in the day people were saying my ancestors had nothing in common with america, and would never assimilate.
Immigrants assimilate into the american culture, not the other way around.
All these arguments of yours have been made before and will be made again, and time and time again shall be proven wrong.
>>47208521
What's funniest to me is that you stupid niggers believe Trump is on your side. He's using you; if he actually gets elected he's just gonna favor himself and his rich friends.
What got /pol/ so uppity lately, and were are the people who delete garbage threads? At-least 3 pol-bait-threads just on a cursory scanning of the front page?
>>47205203
Small size hands.
>>47208840
Prove it.
>>47208743
http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-36272236
And here's a really good one a double flip flop, first he wants to lower taxes for the rich, then raise them and when people didn't like that he decides to lower them again
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/05/09/grover-norquist-acknowledges-trump-plan-could-mean-tax-hike-for-the-rich.html
>>47208872
>first he wants to lower taxes for the rich, then raise them and when people didn't like that he decides to lower them again
He actually plans to decrease them from where they are now. The only thing he changed was the degree to which he'll decrease them.
>>47208766
Neither of us can prove anything, of course, so I'll guess we'll just have to wait and see. What we will see is either Trump bending over like a good little President, or becoming mostly irrelevant. But we'll have to wait to see it. See you then, you naive motherfucker.
>>47208899
If you have no evidence that he'll do anything like what you say, then why do you believe it?
>>47208840
>Hilary not using the Democrats, not with a proven track record of doing exactly as the establishment wants
>Sanders
>Not selling away the future of our children and grandchildren for the sake of getting in to the White House. Doing the exact same fuck you to the next generation as Baby Boomers do to you.
>>47208831
Yes they will though. The Catholic Church is modernisating slowly, look at the current Pontif, he is loved because he is liberal and open minded. Each Pope brings the Church kicking and screaming in to the modern age.
The Muslim world is not, daily executions, stoning of women learning to read, suicide bombs and sworn obedience to the Quran in all things, to deviate from it is punished by death, to leave it entirely is to be punished by death, to question it is punished by death. The Quran and Islam is a religion of death. There is a reason why the Middle-East was build by western contractors, why every rig is manned by Westeners because their religion keeps them stuck culturally and mentally in ages past.
When you bring them here, they bring their bronze age philosphy of stoning homosexuals and beheading apostates. Their very upbringing runs contrary to our Bill of Rights. Several generations down they may acclimate, but I am not willing to bring the first, second and third generation (which can spring up as short as 30 years) that believe in this religion.
>>47208899
I can though, it is proveable that he beat Mitt Rommney (Who held the previous record) of most votes in the Primary elections.
I can prove that he has won the Republican Primary Election
This is all documented. It is you who can not prove anything you say other than wild, derogotory opinion.
>>47208920
Are you trying to tell me you have evidence of the oppositr? Are you a time traveller?
>>47208983
My one weakness, time travellers.
>>47208799
How we've fallen.
>>47208375
>Irish
>don't seem to engage in widespread terrorist enterprises
topkek
>>47208996
And magnifying glasses.
>>47209018
>Comparing the IRA to resident Irish decendant Americans.
>>47209053
>>47209018
Why is it second generation Muslims are more extremist, then? You're literally not making any sense.
>>47209056
resident Irish decendant Americans bankrolled the IRA
>>47209083
No, they didn't. Criminals did. And indirect funding such as selling innocuous and innocent Irish flags and t-shirts at flea markets did. There was no whipping up of Irish-americans to donate to 'The Cause'. Half of them did not know what it was, as evidence by Megadeth shouting "This one is for the Cause" having no idea what the Cause was.
Speak to somebody other than an Orangeman and you'll find out.
>>47209018
>fighting to overthrow British tyrany
>terrorism
Fuck off you English loving bastard. Free irishmen will never bow before the English crown.
I'm the guy whose been arguing against the claims that muslims are incompatible throughout this thread and I'll glady prove all those claims of violent irish right if you keep talking like that.
>>47209237
Britbong in Texas, voted for Trump in the Primaries. I too will fight the crown until my dying breath. It is an archaic outdated and historic holdover and continually prevents the Irish peoples right to self determination.
But then those in the north of Ireland have consitantly voted to stay within the Union, but then the place has been seeded so heavily with Pro-Monarch Anglican families.
>>47209237
Why do you persist in trying to force the Northern Irish to be part of your free state?
>>47205229
>>47209279
Because it is part of their land, what would happen if Cubans wanted to take part of Florida. Would you let them? It's the same shit Russia did for the Chrimea, they seed the area with support and let tem sit for 4-9 years then let them come about slowly. Suddenly you have a massive change in the demographic and concenseus of the group.
>>47209279
Because its ours.
>>47208347
Sort of. Whats happening in Europe is what happens when mainstream Islamic society interacts with the west in a big way.
American muslims generally are wealthy runaways from when the islamists took over countries in the middle east in the 70s or rich kids with oil money parents. They are more of cultural muslims than practicing muslims.
Europe however is being filled with people who are 100% practicing muslims who believe in Sharia and follow the Koran and the hadifs to the letter. Europe is only about 10-15 years ahead of America if you open your borders. Make no mistake if you import large numbers of mainstream muslims you will experience the exact same thing
>>47206367
>Different anon
Uh huh.
>>47209382
What is happening in Europe is invasion. They come through Eastern Europe, northern Africa, the Middle-East, passing dozens of countries that share culture, language, religion and way of life but they do not want that. They want benifits, greed, the strongest human emotion. Stronger than our need now to nuture our children, or even to have children.
>>47209237
>Fuck off you English loving bastard. Free irishmen will never bow before the English crown.
Ha ha oh wow, I didn't think Fenians were still a thing
Please get over yourself, Ireland is a joke country allowed to exist because it's hilarious
We don't even live in a democracy, you fuckwit, we don't elect our leader, the parties elect the leader, just grow up
>>47207003
>only white people like him.
You mean. The biggest voting bloc in the nation? The one that's over 50% of the total amount of votes? Those white people?
They are called a "majority" for a reason, anon.
