Warhammer Fantasy General: Ushoran Da Best Edition
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>>47191701
>>47191701
>that black leviathan
spooky
it all still looks kind of stiffy
If making a cathay army, would it be offensive to include things based on things typically found in Japan? The bird men mentioned in tamurkhan seem cool, but they're japanese not Chinese. Also, ninjas are Japanese yet skaven fluff mentions eshin learned part of their skills in cathay.
>>47203305
>soldier wears breastplate backwards
>wings too small to support even half the weight if that body
*sigh*
why can't awesome conversions be 100% awesome? why settle for 75%?
>>47203342
*screaming_with_rocks.jpg*
>>47203755
in popular culture, including /tg/, there's no "chinese" and "japanese", there's "asian"
>>47203342
> SCREAMING
> WITH ROCKS
>>47203755
Eshin aren't JUST ninja.
The Chinese Imperial Court was a fucking CLUSTERFUCK of plotting and rivalries, assassinations and forged documents. More so Cathay due to Tzeentch influence.
So Eshin most likely learned plotting and manipulation beyond that of other Skaven in Cathay. The dressing in black and indetected assassinations from Nippon.
Also, Chinese folklore hard bird people. Every culture has. Peng for example are fish/birds.
>>47203755
If you want to include things found in Japan then just do a Nippon army and go watch an amazing film called Ran.
For Cathay you want monks, terracotta magical constructs and Chinese dragons.
>>47203755
I think that last part is just a reference to the importation of the martial arts from China to Japan. I wouldn't read too much into it.
>>47203798
>>47203809
there's but one good thing that came out of AoS
the SCREAMING WITH ROCKS meme, to counter Bel'akor, the Second Shittiest Character After Archaon
oh, and Slaughterpriest model. two good things.
>>47203962
But the slaughterpriest model looks like someone who was stretched out on a torture rack?
>>47203962
Ushoran being alive, 3 things.
Some people like the Fantasy Orks. I guess you can give them that.
The slap in the face to 40k when they put the Sigmarine out front instead of the Space Marine, if you're a console wars type.
We wouldn't be getting all these awesome video games thanks to GW's full retard "video games are a fad that compete with model sales" belief.
So six things.
>>47203988
That's kind of the point.
>>47204026
So the model was designed to look like a retard with gigantism? Well it is GW...
>>47203988
rather someone who got infused with divine rage so much he grew in height to be above the masses and lead them by example
>>47204007
this is going where I think it's going?Nobody expects Estalian Inquisition!
>>47204041
Well, it is Khorne.
>>47204041
You'd rather he was pretty?
He's a big barbarian swollen and stretched by the power of Chaos.
>>47204111
> Looks at Valkia the Bloody
> Then looks at Skarr Bloodwrath and Skullgrinder
SQUAD BROKEN
>>47204133
Skullgrinder is cool.
>>47204200
I didn't like many of the new models, he had a cool helmet though.
>>47204280
I like most of the Khorne stuff.
>>47204352
Some of the stuff is good. The models are very detailed and have strong poses. However much of it is over the top in a bad way. It is very cartoonish and too much like Warmachine stuff. Also everything looks pretty mono pose.
Honestly, the standard Chaos Warrior style is much better as well.
>>47202500
Thanquol had just such a rat ogre, though I don't believe it had horns.
So Eshin are the preeminent assassins of skavendom.
However, skaven are known for two things: smelling worse than open sewers, and excellent senses of smell.
Does this mean that Clan Eshin defends the secret technique of bathing so that targets don't smell you sneaking up?
>>47204594
This.
Round base and taken up to 11=not Warhammer.
>>47204734
More like coating yourself in special oils that block odor from traveling far, without greasing uo hands or feet.
>>47204594
>However much of it is over the top in a bad way.
I like over the top stuff for Chaos. It's always something they've strived for in the art.
>Also everything looks pretty mono pose.
Heroes typically have been throughout warhammer. In terms of possability the Blood Warriors trump Chaos Warriors or Chosen.
>>47204734
Eshin are known to go a long way to rid themselves of smell, even going as far as to have their scent glands removed.
>>47204735
>Round base and taken up to 11=not Warhammer.
How dare you.
Survey time!-
I'm making Ogre Maneaters that are cowboys (dual pistol). However, I can't scrape together the points to take them the vast majority of the time. How many people would object to me using them as Leadbelchers? How many TO's would object?
>>47204753
Chaos art has either been hulking behemoths/piles of horrifying mutation, with nothing recognizable as having ever been human underneath or as something straight out of a Cronenburg movie.
The Age Chaos stuff just looks like shitty 90's comics. In fact, if you add a Katana and some pouches to them they are indistinguishable from a Rob Liefeld or Jom Lee antihero.
>>47204835
>Chaos art has either been hulking behemoths/piles of horrifying mutation, with nothing recognizable as having ever been human underneath
Chaos is heavy metal warriors.
>>47204352
>Wearing helmet
>wearing gauntlets
>wearing greaves
>wearing boots
>not wearing breastplate
>not wearing anything on his torso
This is a fuckin' retarded model.
>>47204887
Heavy METAL.
All they did in the new Khornate stuff is shit that was best left in the 90's.
I mean this literally, the new Khornates ARE this character. Right down to the cannibalism.
>>47204948
Hey look, found the Valkia redesign.
>>47204932
Not wearing practical attire does not make a model retarded.
>>47205009
No, it makes the character it is portraying retarded.
Making it incredibly unfortunate and displeasing if they are not.
It may as well be a football helmet.
>>47204932
You're just jealous you can't have gains that are bad enough to get you a 4+ save.
>>47205056
We're talking about models, anon.
Crunch is cheap in a traditionally OP faction.
>>47204948
>Heavy METAL
Yeah, heavy metal.
Half naked Barbarian is very common.
>>47205049
>No, it makes the character it is portraying retarded.
Right, so maybe it's portraying a barbarous blood crazed mad man. Maybe it's actually a good portrayal of a barbarous blood crazed mad man. Maybe the model is not so much retarded as it is good.
>>47205104
>Right, so maybe it's portraying a barbarous blood crazed mad man.
Except he's wearing heavy armor on literally every inch of his body EXCEPT his torso. Don't try to rule of conan this.
>>47205125
Armor is not binary, you can have some and not all or nothing.
>>47205104
Post real metal.
Not babby's Alternative.
>>47205167
It literally looks like pic related.
It looks like a parody.
>>47205168
I would, but the flying sawblade dragon cycles haven't been added yet.
>>47205219
This may actually be better, since they're just wearing the helmets.
>>47205249
Helmets, pauldrons, bracers, and greaves.
Seriously, the only difference is pants.
>>47204753
Not over the topic like this. There was a hint of realism grounded into the things they did.
Like I said this stuff is over the top like a campy 80s movie. That is fine that you like it, but it wasn't what WFB was about and hence the great dislike among other players.
>>47205241
True Fantasy is pretty damn metal. In fact, it isn't really anything else other than Classic Metal and Thrash Metal.
Age is odd, like nuMetal mixed with some Alternative and Electronic.
>>47205309
>Not over the topic like this.
Yes over the top like this. Chaos is king of over the top. Look at >>47204887
>>47205420
That's the problem.
Chaos has an established aesthetic. These new guys are only a shadow of it.
Its a shitty redesign that got rid of everything that was appealing in the original. Like pic related.
>>47205504
>Its a shitty redesign
I'm not seeing it.
The new guys really don't deviate from any classic designs, half naked barbarian has been part of Chaos for decades.
>>47205592
It just doesn't look like a Warhammer miniature.
Its an Age miniature, but it doesn't fit into a Fantasy army.
>>47205630
>It just doesn't look like a Warhammer miniature.
I think it does.
A successor to the marauder and champion of Khorne styles.
>>47201985
Zacharias was never part of the devoted Nagash worshippers unlike Melkhior who gleefully wanted to turn the world into a nightmarish hellscape of death.
>>47204352
I mostly just think thst they made them too beefy.
>>47205682
He's actually evenly armored and fits on a square infantry base.
>>47205682
Easiest way to notice the difference is in the weapons, Warhammer weapons have always been over the top in size but the amount of shit on AoS weapons and detail is huge and the blades on the swords are far too large.
>>47205309
That realism has never been a standard with Chaos Warriors. You're thinking of the more humble looking 6'th edition Chaos Warriors. The plastic Chaos Warriors before that were awkward hunchbacks that makes Age of Sigmar look slick.
>>47205682
This one is nice.
>>47205359
Age of Sigmar is basically modern video game aesthetics. Kinda like what you would see in a MMO or a MOBA.
>>47205832
>He's actually evenly armored
He is not, he's got a bear chest, back and neck. He wear's one gauntlet and has mostly bear arms.
>>47205834
>Easiest way to notice the difference is in the weapons
I feel that depends as well, Chaos has many flashy weapons.
>>47205682
It's a WHFB version of Kharn the Betrayer. What's not to like?
>>47206051
Tell you what.
Prove it then.
Find an image of someone who painted him, put him on a square infantry base, and put him in rank and file with other Warriors of Chaos.
Until then, we'll agree to disagree.
>>47206082
>What's not to like?
Warhammer 40,000.
>>47206092
Whether he fits on a certain or can bled in with a unit despite him being a hero who is supposed to stand out is not relevant. >>47205682 This guy has never been at home with Chaos warriors of any time period, and that's okay. You can still look Chaosy.
>>47206108
If you don't like 40k, you don't like heavy metal album covers and is therefore not allowed to comment on Chaos aesthetics at all. It's that simple.
Chaos is more than Storm of Chaos style.
Chaos existed long before and long after this particular period.
>>47206493
It's probably the slickest and most dark fantasy looking one to date.
>>47206493
I need more barbarian horde chaos.
>>47206180
>Whether he fits on a certain or can bled in with a unit despite him being a hero who is supposed to stand out is not relevant.
Its the single most important thing, considering you posted him in the Fantasy thread.
If he doesn't visually belong and doesn't fit on the right base, he isn't Warhammer.
>>47206223
40k is Death Metal.
You know, Punk Rock that tried WAY too hard.
That's not real metal.
>all these Chaos worshippers that think they know best
>I wish I was at the battlefield killing another everchosen
>the monks hymn is too loud
>my feet hurt
>I wonder if I can eat the goblin jester?
>>47206688
>>47206688
Anon, just because you watched a couple of episodes of Metalocalypse doesn't mean that you get death metal.
>>47206671
>Its the single most important thing
Not even a little. Heroes are supposed to stand out. He can visually belong to the army as a whole. He's more similar to Marauders or the Warshrine than block of Warriors.
>>47206688
That's not funny.
>>47206726
>>47206824
>>47206716
40k literally is Bolt Thrower. Bolt Thrower was paid for by Games Workshop to be the sound of 40k.
Bolt Thrower is not Metal. Its disorganized noise for the sake of noise. Just like Punk.
>>47206748
Yeah...if he doesn't fit on an Infantry base and isn't just Unit Filler, he isn't a Warriors of Chaos Warhammer hero mini.
Unless you proxy him as Archaon, or put him on a cavalry base sideways or something.
>>47206943
It's fine if you don't like death metal, but to be such a raging faggot as to disrespect Bolt Thrower...
Mind your step in avoiding the death metal b8.
>>47206943
>Yeah...if he doesn't fit on an Infantry base and isn't just Unit Filler, he isn't a Warriors of Chaos Warhammer hero mini.
Didn't say he was, because he's not. Does not mean he's not aesthetically Chaos.
>>47206696
This is my favourite rendition of Sigmar. Reminds me a lot of King Kull.Although both him and Conan opted to wear the best armour whenever they could get some
Oh, and don't reply to /mu/ tier baiting.
>>47207082
Yea that shit is fucking sweet. I love how the modern Empire was basically just the result of Conan the Barbarian becoming King and then the rest follow in his footsteps. Eventually the stories of his badassery made him a God in everyones eyes.
>>47207176
Not even 'basically,' Sigmar (and to a lesser extent, the God-Emperor of Mankind) is a very direct Conan the Cimmerian reference. Admittedly, though, 40k owes more to Dune and Judge Dredd.
Warhammer used to like doing stuff like that.
>>47206943
Go to bed Dad
>if it doesn't conform to the way that I see Warhammer then it isn't Warhammer
>you can't add that to your own setting, it doesn't belong there!
Every fucking thread we have people whining about what's warhammer and what isn't. Was it released by GW for the game Warhammer fantasy battles? Yes? Then it's Warhammer. theres nothing wrong with having your own opinion about the way the models look or how the fluff is written, but official material is official material.
>>47204932
What Gauntlets?
Finally getting it together to work on this again. I intend to release cover + first page soon! Meet the twin-tailed coach
>>47207562
I'm not an expert on wagons but I believe that those wheels and that suspension would make that thing nightmarishly uncomfortable to ride in and prone to tipping.
>>47204007
NOICE GRUNTAS!!!
WE AGE OF SIGMAR NOW
>>47207615
Expect nothing less from the second best third rate coaching company in the Empire, and the only coach hired by the foremost witch hunting organizations for its affordability and ascetic values
>>47206943
> IT'S JUST LOUD NOISES
K grampa
>>47204352
>dom 4 hero
>>47204007
How do orcs nail metal onto metal? Why don't they just forge the blade with barbs instead of tacking it on?
>>47207836
All about component design.
>>47207836
Because much of orc weaponry is looted, and then made killyer.
Or forged, and then made killyer.
>>47207836
>Why
They aren't exactly smart.
>How
They hit it until it sticks.
>>47207836
That's a big fucking orc. What would a man come up to, about his hip?
>>47208067
for you
>>47208080
LOTTA LOYALTY FOR A HIRED GIT
>>47207078
Then why the fuck is he out of his containment thread.
>>47207383
That abomination above was not. Its a Khorne Bloodblooder or what the fuck ever from Age.
>>47207562
Neat.
Whats the project?
Okay, I bought a Drycha.
I figured it'd come with round bases now, I just gotta pick up some extra squares.
But why the fuck did it come with two different sizes of round bases?
>>47210390
Base size has fuck all to do with the aesthetics of a faction.
It also doesn't matter that model if from AoS because Chaos really hasn't changed its aesthetics in the transition.
You strike me as someone so blinded by salt that you just dismiss AoS models out of hand, which basically means arguing with you is pointless because you'll always find some excuse as to why a certain model doesn't fit the Warriors of Chaos aesthetic.
I feel like this is a good example, this picture is from the Blooudbound book and yet was posted in a Fantasy art thread with no one making a peep.
>>47210905
Well, its off-topic, and unless it fits on an appropriate base size it literally cannot be a Warhammer Fantasy mini.
Period.
Aesthetics don't matter. It can never be a FB mini unless it can fit on the base.
>>47211042
>proving the other shitposter right.
Man, am I taking crazy pills or is Warhammer Fantasy in the middle of an all-encompassing flame war?
Fuck this, at least the divide between 30k and 40k isn't full of salty sperglords.
I'll just be over here, hoping I can paint the Dark Souls miniatures when the game comes out.
>>47203962
>there's but one good thing that came out of AoS
Are you retarded? That event was from a WD battle report about the release of 7th ED Lizardmen codex. Years before AoS.
>>47207082
so did Sigmar. in books he wore dwarf-forged armour, runic and stuff.
fantasy artists love Manowar way too much. not that there's anything wrong with their music, mind you, but their look...
>>47211616
oh.
didn't know that. it popped up on these threads after Seraphon release, so i assumed it was new stuff.
in my defense, nobody ever posted that meme when Belakorfag was around
>>47212020
>in my defense, nobody ever posted that meme when Belakorfag was around
Wrong again. It was posted in WHFB threads before AoS was released by a several months.
Newfag, get out!
>>47210905
>Moving the goalposts
>>47212080
What goalposts am I moving? That was my first post in the thread.
This is a stupid argument that pops up, usually with Warriors of Chaos, about how X really isn't Chaos because the person in question doesn't know what the fuck the aesthetic is like, only considers the aesthetic that was current when they got into the game and possibly older ones to be true, are blinded by salt towards AoS, or some combination of the above.
>latest threads are all about shitposting, AoS, aethethic changes between editions and more shitposting
>barely anything interesting discussed anymore
sometimes I wonder if I should just let it go? i don't really need 4chan to enjoy WHFB
>>47203755
Anyone have suggestions for Cathay proxies?
>>47212198
Well it's better than the 40K general, they just talk about the thread image there.
>>47212352
hm, that's still better than discussing Archaon or AoS
>>47212377
Right ere' we go. I have 50 Empire state troops on the way to finish my army off. I already have 50 halberdiers because I am a good imperial citizen. How should I build these 50?
>>47212339
Check out 'John Jenkins designs', sells all manner of fantasy Chinese stuff. It depends on what rules you're using though.
>>47212407
no spearmen, since you already got a bunch of guys with polearms. build them as swordsmen. multibase them so they look like a freaking massive charging horde of swordsmen like on >>47212352
>>47212460
Nevermind just noticed he's stopped making 28mm. If you check out T9A Tomb Kings alternative models they have some terracotta soldiers listed. I assume you can lift a lot of stuff from historicals and maybe some monks from Bushido.
>>47212339
Old glory or Renegade minis come to my mind.
Nothing plastic mind you.
>>47211527
Yes it is
The difference between the division between the 40k/30k and the whfb/aos generals is that the first are both supported and explore a previously presented event of the setting while in the second case only the latter is officially supported and it was built on the destruction of the setting
They would be more similar if the age of sigmar we got was the one when sigmar gets the uberogens, get gifted ghal maraz, make the empire and the is the first important battle at black fire pass
>>47212522
This kills the thread nigger.
>>47207836
Brian nelson explained that orcs can make good weapons and armours but they prefer to make them cruder and with stuff symbolizing teeth as a sort of message and cultural expression
>>47212541
Not him but it's not like his post was killing the thread. The one killing the thread is the samefagging retard who keep posting AoS shit here.
>>47212563
This won't work.
We have to merge /whfb/ and /AoS/ together.
The face of cancer :
>>47212581
>>47212541
I'm not the one you're arguing with, I agree with your point of view for the the most part, I'm just saying what causes the difference between the generals
>>47212581
Bro we can't cross the streams. Every thread will be like this one.
>>47212587
We don't need to merge the threads but we don't even need to throw shit at everything coming from AoS for coming from the AoS, I think some things are neat and could fit well in the whfb setting with but small touches.
>>47212598
Every thread is like this one at this point
>>47212460
A shame they are OOP. I know Watchful I has some terracotta minis but they seem a bit pricey.
>>47212516
They do look nice for an ancient Chinese theme.
I prefer the aesthetic of later dynasties such as the Ming.
>chaos campaign in Total War ends when the main two objectives are accomplished
>crush the Empire and.....Brettonia?
Since when were the Brets important to Chaos? The Empire were the target of all the major Chaos invasions. No Chaos lord worth his mutations gave a skaven's ass about the Brets.
>>47212646
>I prefer the aesthetic of later dynasties such as the Ming.
Yeah I get you but I doubt there is much lines out there in 28mm.
Old Glory has Han and Boxer lines in 25mm (that would fit in 28) but that's all.
>>47212581
already tried that. at first it was sorta ok, 'cos shitposters were not prepared for that and were stunned, while haters/fanboys were frothing in outrage and so were unable to type. but once they found their bearings again, the united threads died out very fast.
>>47212668
Chaos seems to care about most human factions, they attack Cathay in the East which is very relevant to this thread. Humans seem to be the only race on the ascendency since Elves just chill in the Atlantic and the Dwarfs are digging too deep and too greedily.
>>47212640
exactly. so it's better to keep status quo. it's always better to keep status quo. change is bad.
>>47212698
hm... is there a Balrog? i want a Balrog.
>>47212682
I might end up ordering some minis from Assault Group's Song range.
Is there any fluff on Cathayan warbeasts/heroes?
>>47212720
They found ashut, but in oldhammer balrogs existed, along stuff like storm giants riding mammoths and giant evil frogs
>>47212706
t. Nurgle
>>47212753
Terracotta army, dragons, giants, probably some ogres as mercenary on top of my head.
>>47212808
>giant evil frogs
that's just Slann, duh
storm giants riding mammoths... hmm.. that doesn't sound too bad... i think... gotta think about it.
>>47212407
A bit of a sword and a bit with an arquebus
Enough to form one relatively big unit and a pair of small supporting ones
>>47212826
>that's just Slann, duh
Nope, actual frogs, strangely the slann had nothing to do with them
Just look up the first and second editions bestiaries
Would a flying island - like in Gulliver or Bioshock 3 - make sense in WHFB? seems to fit the "crazy clockworks" vibe that Empire sometimes sports.
oh, and what race could live on such an island?
>>47212753
I like TAG minis, their Valois and Italian ranges are perfect for empire infantry. Shame it's all resin.
>>47212753
8th edition BRB mentions one horned ogres, golden dragons and terra-cotta soldiers. In Tamurkhan, A huge beastmen army attacks a cathay outpost and gets BTFO. The fluff mentions stone fleshed temple dogs and crowmen that seem to function like Morghasts. Later on they mention strange animated constructs swimming through rock as if it were water and popping up to surround the enemy. Not sure if the strange stone creatures swimming through rock are the same as the temple dogs though. Other noteworthy rings from that battle are bronze canons that spit clusters of javelins, "dragon blooded shugengan" which are wizards seemingly equal or even superior to college wizards, repeating crossbows and magical fireworks that fill the skies with phantasmal creatures.
From what little information we have on Cathay, they seem stronger than the empire, closer to ancient nehekara in power.
>>47213026
>>47213026
>From what little information we have on Cathay, they seem stronger than the empire, closer to ancient nehekara in power.
Why do people keep saying that? The Empire is the most powerful human nation. Period.
Everything seems to you because you want it this way but reality refuses to change for your whims.
>>47213026
Their gods are a pantheon of dragons, and their emperor is also the head of the pantheon, and thus a dragon.
>>47213096
Geheimnisnacht (the CKII warhammer mod) also mentions clay sculptors and astromancers as part of any noble retinue, especially to deal with terracotta warriors shenanigans.
>>47213069
We have little evidence either way but one thing we can say is that Cathay is more united than the empire having one Dragon Emperor rather than competing elector counts. They also seem to be portraying Cathay as the 'orientalist' romanticised version, ie. they were the most advanced culture for thousands of years before the Greeks, Egyptians and Babylonians. They had paper makers, a written language and an advanced bureaucracy in the form of Mandarin officials. So they seem to be at least at the same level as the Empire.
>>47213136
Why are you responding to a shitposter ?
>>47213149
How is he a shitposter? Steam tanks could BTFO Cathay.
>>47213161
Cathay destroyed the whole ogre country by dumping a comet on it. Plus we don't know much about it, and it's very far, it could really be stronger than the Empire.
>>47213136
>We have little evidence either way
We have, you jackass. You cited stuff from the 8th edition BRB yet you didn't bother to check the line which states that the Empire is the most powerful human nation on the planet?
>inb4 mental gymnastics
>>47213149
>weeabo anon twists the fluff
>anon calls him out on
>he is a shitposter!
Fuck you and screw off to your hole.
>>47213178
>it could really be stronger than the Empire.
Except the fluff says otherwise. Eat a bag of dicks, you weeabo fgt.
>>47213069
>Why do people keep saying that?
because in what very little fluff we have for them, they have shit that makes the empire look silly, like animated constructs and dragons. I know the Empire is outright stated to be the strongest Human faction in the setting, but you can't blame someone for thinking Cathay is stronger based on what little information we have. After all, half the fan base would have you think that the empire is a historical army with a couple of wizards, a griffon and a steam tank thrown in here and there.
>Everything seems to you because you want it this way but reality refuses to change for your whims.
I could give a shit about Cathay being stronger than the empire. But i really like this line, can I quote this when someone refuses to acknowledge 8th edition and end times as canon? or which gw produced models are and aren't warhammer?
>>47213179
>You cited stuff from the 8th edition BRB
Either quote is worthless anyway. The 8th ed BRB is to be discarded wholly.
>>47213195
>wholly
Nah
>>47213208
In terms of fluff anything after 7th ed Empire book is AoS-tier garbage and should be treated as such.
>>47213194
Piss off, you lying weeabo. I don't have time for you selective reading and what things SEEM to you.
>>47213195
You are simply discarding it because it BTFO your shitty irrelevant faction.
Sick and tired of morons claiming Cathay is superior to the Empire. The only human rival to the Empire in the world was Bretonnia.
>>47213217
How funny.
When that weeabo was citing 8th ED you didn't open your fucking mouth. When someone bashed him on the head with it and proved him wrong, you opened your mouth. Why? Because you are hypocritical weabo.
>>47212891
Sure, as long as you justify it properly, either as a result of witchcraft (like the floating castle that sometimes gets in and out of reality and the realm of chaos featured in blood in the badlands) or as a result of unlikely geomantic conformations (think pandora's mountains but with upwards magical currents instead of magnetic fields)
If I had to populate it I would fill those islands with pygmies, remnants of the sky giants, dragons, chaotic bird-beastmen and all manner of monsters which usually get attracted by magical concentrations.
>>47213069
>>47213161
>>47213179
>>47213192
>>47213195
>>47213217
>>47213238
see this shit? this is why these threads are trash. What could have been an interesting debate on where Cathay stacks up against the other human nations got instantly derailed by shitposters.
>>47213268
I said both quotes were just as worthless, however Cathay stuff can be found in the 6th ed BRB. Namely, ophidian dragons, giant stone dogs, millions of footmen and kung-fu monks.
>>47213301
The 6th ed BRB also says that the Empire is the most powerful nation of the Old World, not the whole world.
>>47213301
AFTER someone called the Cathay guy. So your post worthless.
It's mighty pathetic as well. My weeabo faction was revealed as a secondary nation in the world?!!! Oh I| know what to do, I'll edition whore like a complete bitch.
>>47213328
>So your post worthless
So is your grammar.
Also, as I said, the Cathay poster didn't say anything contradicting the established, non-retconned to shit fluff, and he was merely speculating the power of Cathay that was already developped in various sources (OK original army book).
You, on the other hand, are quoting the 8th ed BRB, which is conflicting with the 6th ed on the power level of the empire and way less reliable than it.
Let us examine the Weeabo tactics for the past few threads.
>Cathay is stronger than Empire you guys!
>no, it's not
Tactic 1 :
>there is little evidence
>actually there is. See here.
Tactic 2 :
>It's propaganda. Flowery speech. Book bias. My stuff is complete fact, though
>You are a complete retard
Tactic 3 :
>this whole edition does not count BECAUSE I SAID SO
>Piss off.
Contemptible fuckers the whole lot of you.
>>47213388
am I the only one who thinks that both sides of the argument are shitposters?
>tfw your unit of 50 witch elves with hag bsb and hellebron collide with pretty much anything
There will come a time when this is no longer possible, I weep for future generations of war gamers who do not know true joy.
>>47213388
>implying 8th edition counts
Really, fuck Cathay but anything retconning Storm of Chaos belongs to /aosg/.
>>47213363
Can't type when I am pissed off at the morons infesting this thread.
Notice the gymnastics here in your post. This is hallmark of the retarded weeb. The good old tactic 3.
The 8th ed BRB doesn't conflict with the older edition because Cathay wasn't stated be mightier than the Empire. Do you have PROOF that the Empire wasn'tthe strongest nation in the old world as well as the WHOLE WORLD? No? Then there is no disccusion to be had. You are BTFO.
>less reliable than it.
Your opinion can fuck off.
>>47213408
>yfw when you Dwellers/Convocation/Plague/etc. that whole deathstar while laughing manically
I weep for future generations of war gamers who do not know true joy.
>>47213425
>Do you have PROOF that the Empire wasn'tthe strongest nation in the old world as well as the WHOLE WORLD? No? Then there is no disccusion to be had
Burden of proof is on you lad.
>>47213179
>>47213388
>weeabo anon twists the fluff
>anon calls him out on
>When someone bashed him on the head with it and proved him wrong
At what point did any of these things happen? I posted lore on cathay war beasts because an anon asked for it, and made a comment on how they SEEM. no one stated Cathay was stronger than the empire, ever, only that they SEEM that way based on their few fluff entries showcasing some really powerful units that SEEM to outmatch what the empire has. Do you not understand the definition of SEEM?
By the way, that fluff is from Tamurkhan throne of chaos, not 8th brb.
>>47213407
I'm going to have to agree with you, i feel like a pleb for even stooping to their level and trying to defend my post from obvious shitposting.
>>47213407
I will shut up if the weeabos just admit they were wrong and stop trying to pretend their cathian micro dicks are bigger than the Empire's Schlong.
>>47213423
seriously, you edition warriors should just fuck off. you're as bad a poison as AoS-posters and Slav.
because it doesn't matter WHAT EDITION you're fighting for. the very fact you do makes you shit.
>>47213452
that's shitposting attitude, man. just like your oppenent's.
>>47213444
OH WOW.
The guy who kept as claimed that Cathay is stronger than Empire is telling me now that I must prove his claim.
>>47213447
"8th edition BRB mentions one horned ogres, golden dragons and terra-cotta soldiers"
"We have little evidence either way"
I said shut the fuck up you lying weeabo. If you didn't selectively read the 8th ed brb then it would not seem anything to you.
You wouldn't fucking said "DERP WE HAVE NO EVIDENCE"
You disingenuous worm.
>>47213491
>who kept as claimed that Cathay is stronger than Empire
Where ?
Ahem, third anon here. Tired of you shit-fight, so I'll stoop to your level to end this.
1) Is there any direct quote stating Cathai is stronger than Empire or is the strongest human nation in the WHOLE WORLD?
2) Is there any direct quote stating Empire is the strongest human nation in the WHOLE WORLD (not OLD WORLD, but WHOLE WORLD)?
I don't care about your edition bigotry, just give me fucking quotes.
>>47213491
.....you realize you're responding to at least 2 different anons, right? I'm >>47213026
>>47213045
>>47213194
>>47213296
>>47213447
and i don't even think all the other posts are just one anon.
>>47213525
>Is there any direct quote stating Empire is the strongest human nation in the WHOLE WORLD (not OLD WORLD, but WHOLE WORLD)?
original cathay anon here to settle this once and for all:
>>47213525
>2) Is there any direct quote stating Empire is the strongest human nation in the WHOLE WORLD (not OLD WORLD, but WHOLE WORLD)?
YES.
Outright stated in the 8th ED brb.
This should be the end of it but ,you know, weeabos and their silly tactics >>47213388
>>47213541
this one doesn't contradict either point, so I don't care.
>>47213558
ain't got 8th Ed BRB here, so please, provide me the. fucking. quote.
>>47213567
>posts a screenshot of the actual quote from 8th brb
>nah, thats not it
>i don't have 8th show me the quote
I'm cringing at the stupidity, you have to be shitposting, right? please tell me you're shit posting because i'm pretty sure
>Though undeniably the mightiest of all human realms
is the most direct evidence you'll get.
>>47213608
But Cathay is ruled by a dragon and a caste of half-draconic servants, is it included in those realms ?
>>47213567
My mistake. I was infected by the weeabos stupidity and my memory was addled with rage.
It's in the Empire army book.
Picture related.
>>47213608
I said SHUT UP. How many times do I have to tell you that?
>>47213433
>tfw you tell the guy trying to Dwellers/Convocation/Plague/etc your death star that hellebrons amulet of dark fire gives you 4+ to dispel attempts made against spells that target her unit
I continue to weep for future generations of war gamers who do not know true joy.
Now that we have settled the Cathay business like gentlemen and have proven the superiority of the Empire, can we move on?
Why is /whfb/ is getting tricked by semantics and opinions as obvious flamebait?
>>47213608
are you dumb? your quote claims that it is the strongest human nation in the OLD WORLD. that doesn't stop it from being a strongest human nation in the WHOLE WORLD as well. Bretonnia doesn't suddenly become stronger than the Empire if Empire is the Strongest In The Whole World.
>>47213633
thanks. that works. victory goes to the Empire.
(just don't try arguing Empire is stronger than Amazons. you don't have quote for that)
>>47213664
>(just don't try arguing Empire is stronger than Amazons. you don't have quote for that)
>>47213633
>using 8th edition as proof
Why bother, since as mighty as the Empire is, it's doomed to be destroyed ?
>>47213660
because we've got nothing else to talk about, I'm afraid. people are just not interested. cool anons try to make Magnus campaign? nah, let's talk about AoS. anon tries to gather material for /tg/ not!White Dwarf? let's ignore him. people try to explore an interesting bit of fluff? let's turn it into dick-measuring contest, because "faction must be teh strongest to be cool" / "muh default generic humans must be strongest"
anons get what anons deserve. that's the saddest thing.
>>47213660
AoS shitposting culture.
>>47213687
>anon tries to gather material for /tg/ not!White Dwarf?
What, where ?
>>47213687
Tactic 4 :
>I am utterly BTFO. I should play the victim and self pity card
>plays the world smallest violin
>>47213408
>tfw salamanders flanking light armored hordes
I weep for the future that will not know joy in fighting cheese with hot cheese
>>47213684
>8th=ET
8th≠ET
>>47213733
>redacted Storm of Chaos ending
8th ed leads to ET just as day leads to night.
>>47213748
And 7th led to 8th, want to fall into continuity or draw stupidly arbitrary lines like a dog, senpai?
>>47213664
Are you incapable of reading the whole thing?
i guess i have to spoon feed even more. Now, if you read right under the words "Empire under siege" you will see a line that says
>Though it is undeniably the ightiest of all human realms, the empire is in constant turmoil, beset on all sides by the savage and the unholy.
>though it is undeniably the mightiest of all human realms
oh and what does the other anons pic say?
>>47213633
The empire lies at the heart of the old world and it is the most powerful of all the realms of men
same fucking thing.
>>47213633
>I said SHUT UP. How many times do I have to tell you that?
I can do this all day
>>47213770
Anon, staaahp. It's over. You lost.
>>47213780
where? The only thing I lost was dignity, the moment i responded to shitposters. Never said Cathay was stronger, no one did, at any point in this argument.
>>47213713
i'm not him. chill, dude. i'm just noticing a trend.
>>47213711
you forgot "when?"
a month ago or so. looks like he given up though
>>47213748
8th set up quite a few plot hooks that were either ignored or went to shit in ET. as such, 8th is not really ET. sure, it set ground for it, but one can use 8th as base for completely different turn of events. I know I do.
>>47213770
ah, sorry. I thought you were referring to "strongest in old world", so I didn't read further. okay, two points for Empire, zero for Cathai. my works here is done, I resign.
>>47213803
wait, what?!
>>47213814
>a month ago or so. looks like he given up though
Shame, I wasn't there much last months.
So, /whfb/ what are you currently working on?
>>47213814
>8th set up quite a few plot hooks that were either ignored or went to shit in ET.
>you will never see greasus goldtooth lead the united ogres into the old world
>you will never see Settra enact his great purge and conquer the world
>you will never read see lizardmen fighting all over the world along and against the younger races
>you will never see louen leonceur lead his glorious errantry crusade
>you will never see the empire progress into something greater
Why live?
>>47213687
Well, this has been true ever since the End Times was over and the fanbase was divided further. I guess the only way we can get any new fluff to talk about is starting a book reading circle about out of print material that everyone hasn't read yet or just make up new fluff. I say this because few people in these thread actually talk about the game aspect about WHFB at the moment and all this shitposting will just drive all people away until there is only two angry spergs in these threads.
Hell, does anyone at least want to talk about what peoples personal favourite fluff is
>>47213868
Painting witch elves, awaiting the restocking of a favored bits retailer and planning out a dragon conversion from a hydra body.
>>47213868
Currently I'm overhauling my bitz sorting after I got my hands on 3 boxes of new perrys. I'm going to organize a campaign based on a civil war in the Empire with some friends soon so I need to be ready to assemble and paint units fast.
In a possibly vain attempt to bring discussion back to something positive, I'd like to talk about a campaign me and some friends are about to start.
The plan is to have the action take place in Bretonnia, with various factions turning up for different purposes.
An undead queen rising from the barrows of the Grey Mountains seeks to cast down the defenders of Bordeleaux and set up her own undead kingdom. Lizardmen have landed in the north intent on defending an ancient hidden temple in Loren Forest, which a corsair force of Dark Elves have set their sights on.
Meanwhile, the Empire is using the impending conflict to see whether they can 'help' Bretonnia and maybe coincidentally expand their holdings at the same time. Contracts of allegiance are drafted as they view Parravon with unabashed greed.
Orcs and Goblins are everywhere, and the savage forest tribes have been driven into a frenzy by an enormous warboss riding a wyvern, ready to Waaagh! all over Bretonnia and generally cause strife.
We're using 8th edition rules with some modifications. For a start, the undead (TK) player is allowed to use the rules from ET: Nagash regarding their army, so they can march within 12" of the General. We have slightly changed how Crumble works if the General dies - it works like it does for VC with a lower ranking wizard taking over the task after a turn has passed.
In addition, we've made it so Disruption also prevents Steadfast, units that successfully charge get Always Strike First (with no bonus if they already have it), and a single Command rank doesn't count for the purposes of Steadfast.
Finally, wizards are ranked into Apprentice (Hero) and Master (Lord) level. Apprentice wizards get +1 to cast/dispel, Master wizards get +2.
We wanted to encourage greater list variation and we hope that with the changes to wizards people won't feel like they need to bring a level 4 wizard as much.
>>47213868
Not much WHFB at the moment, to be honest. I have been painting Mantic Dungeon Saga minis which looks better than a lot of their regular Kings of War minis. I was planning on buying Frostgrave minis and convert them to look like Mordheim human warbands. Otherwise I'm just waiting for Warlord games to at some point in the future release the plastic landsknechts they showcased, that I will use to build an Empire army with. I might buy some Perry plastic knights while waiting for that.
All this waiting sucks.
>>47213891
My Intention is to start interesting and often speculative fluff discussion, but 9/10 times that gets quickly derailed by spergs. See above
Anyway, my favorite bit of fluff has to be the war of sand and snow from tomb kings 8th. I wish that was expanded into a BL series or campaign book, I loved seeing chaos get BTFO on their home turf
>>47213931
Was that the one where Settra furiously leads his army all the way to the north side of the Old World to make a point?
>>47213891
>what peoples personal favourite fluff is
Vampire Wars. Vlad being Vlad and stuff.
>>47213914
>Finally, wizards are ranked into Apprentice (Hero) and Master (Lord) level. Apprentice wizards get +1 to cast/dispel, Master wizards get +2.
Why this? No bonus relative to the mage's level?
>>47214041
We all played 8th ed from the beginning, and felt that with the bonuses relative to wizard level, two things happened:
1. No one ever took level 3 wizards.
2. If you didn't take a level 4 wizard you were deliberately gimping your army.
I can count on one hand the number of times I saw an enemy army without a level 4 wizard in it (Dwarves notwithstanding).
Reducing it to only +1 and +2 means that if you only take a level 1 wizard (not much of a points investment) you're not significantly disadvantaged against a player who has brought a level 4 wizard. Similarly, if you don't take a wizard at all it isn't a complete write-off.
It is all subject to change though, if we feel like the original objective isn't being achieved or that the modifications have made games worse.
>>47213939
Yeah, he gets killed by a chaos champion and is forced to go back to his pyramid to repawn. The chaos forces still get BTFO but 12 of the mauraders escaped with a bunch of loot and Settras crown. It was in that very moment the chaos forces should have known they fucked up, because the crime of laying your pleb hands on the crown is punishable by complete annihilation. Settra leads a huge army into norsca and slaughters everyone, retrieving all the treasure in 5 years before finally catching up to the guy who has the crown. Chaos horde is huge and has many monsters and elite units, but gets BTFO. Apophas is a kill stealing faggot and takes out the chaos lord, but SETTRA makes up for it by soloing a shaggoth in the middle of a storm and teaching everyone in the chaos wastes a valuable lesson: SETTRA IS THE BEST!!!!
Some have speculated that settras revenge war was less about retrieving the crown and more about making sure no living man who witnessed his defeat at the hands of a maurader chieftain lived to tell that tale. All who expressed views such as this were found torn limb from limb and drained of all moisture, through unknown means.
>>47214066
I always associated big mages being strong more to the number of spells available (and magic resistance doing little to counter the big spells) than the bonus to casting myself, I can see the problem you're trying to fix, it just sounded like an additional bonus in the first post.
>>47214109
Oh right, yeah, the +1/+2 replaces the usual bonus entirely, it isn't additional.
That'd be pretty crazy, Level 4's would be at +6 to cast.
>>47214085
>settra marches to the north
I wonder what titles the empire newspapers had in that period, I mean, an army that big doesn't pass unseen but it is also unlikely to see it having conflicts before reaching norsca
>>47214041
>>47214066
>>47214109
that's 9th Age approach
>>47214128
>"Local Shadow Wizard gets drunk again, conjures another entertaining illusion. Weather forecast for today..."
>>47214085
I wonder if Settra and Grimgor are the two most vindictive and angriest characters in the setting, that are not Khorne characters? Although, Grimgor is always angry while Settra just gets angry at the drop of a hat.
Either way, both of them will go through ridiculous lengths to get back at anyone that has antagonises them and kill the shit out of anyone that's stupid enough to get in the way.
>>47214128
Well, settra has that mighty war fleet for a reason, they sailed there! If anyone said anything about it it was probably the elves. They likely were shitting their pants until they realized where settra was actually headed. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if the elves manipulated the entire situation to get the tomb kings to do the dirty work for them. in which case, Settra needs to have a few words with the pointy eared faggots...
>>47214128
Well, in all likelyhood they will march day and night. Unlike any other army in the setting the Tomb Kings doesn't need to sustain on anything. So there is not reason for them to plunder farms, towns and shit on the way to Norsca. Even most vampires will have to get blood when out on a campaign. Mummies just function all the time and they would only eat or drink anything out of habbit.
So they should be able to get to Norsca faster than most other armies.
>>47214221
>not stopping to see the sun god come greeting your presence and performing daily rites as washing your teeth, playing scarabble and watching the loser do the spooky dance
>>47214349
Only if Settra wills it so. Which is not unlikely, since I think it was his idea to pretend that nothing bad happened and everyone had to LARP skeleton Sims for his entertainment. I hope that Settra demanded that all passing villages and towns prepared a feast for him.
>>47214172
unless you count ET, where you get Malekith, who's immune to Skarbrand's aura of mindless anger, 'cos Malekith is STILL so pissed off at being denied his throne, pure khornate rage is just a mild annoyance in comparison
>>47214349
That got far more of a laugh out of me than it should have
>>47214639
I don't think that Malekith is as fickle as Grimgor or Settra are, but in the older editions he did have all chariots in Naggaroth destroyed ao that he would be the only one that would get to ride one.
>>47213687
What ever did happen with Red Giant? All I remember were people arguing about the name
>>47212339
Modify Kensei minis.
>>47212891
The High Elves of Saphery have flying castles.
>>47213161
All eight of them?
>>47213733
Actually, End Times are part of 8th Edition. Just like Storm was part of 6th.
They are inextricably linked.
I don't have a problem with 90% of ET: Nagash, it was everything that came after that was absolute trash.
>>47216237
Albion is a nation of equal part Giants and Wood Humans.
Mierce Miniatures is scrambling to make a complete army for them. They just got their Fenbeasts funded.
How do Dual Pistol Maneaters compare to Leadbelchers? I'd like to stop incoming Purple Suns/Pits of Shade by shooting up wizards, and kill chaff/redirectors , and I'm not sure If I can use my Maneaters in place of Leadbelchers.
Both 8th or 9th, in terms of rules. in 9th, the maneaters do 3 hits when over 12" away, and have poison and are better in melee, whereas the Leadbelchers do 3.5 hits when over 12" away. Within 12", the Leadbelchers do 5.75 hits, to the 4 of the Maneaters.
Which should I go with? I'd like the Maneaters as my converted ones look a lot cooler, but for shooting at chaff, it seems like they do their job a lot worse.
>>47207943
That's a damn well drawn boar and orc.
>>47207687
It would break so often that they'd not be able to keep their margins down.
>>47210905
>It also doesn't matter that model if from AoS because Chaos really hasn't changed its aesthetics in the transition.
Less near-full-body armor.
>>47212891
>>47213275
>>47216020
Some of the Giants that fled the Ogres managed to maintain their civilization on flying sky-castles too instead of degenerating to the models used in game.
How the fuck do you rank up Savage Orc Boar Boyz? I figured out how to do them in rows, but when I try to line the rows up, the tails always hit the faces of the other boars and stop them from ranking.
I finally figured out that you were supposed to alterate Boyz leaning forwards and backwards to get the rows to line up, but I don't see the trick to ranking up the rows.
/tg/, how do you rank up your Boar Boyz? Right now I'm thinking i'll have to base them on rocks and make the heights different for each rank.
>>47216242
Being part does not mean being the same, the same way you're not inextricably the end of your hair, I can easily use all the 8th ed material and ignore all the end times by not using the books called the end times and disregard the plot-line introduced by the last event of the vampire counts book about the princess kidnapping which leads to the campaign for sigmar's blood.
Is the rest so drastically changed you can claim 8th and ET to be inseparable?
>>47216035
I thought they were 12.
>>47216631
>having problems with boars
At least you don't have to rank cold ones, skinks or old skaven.
The ideal way would be to assign from the beginning which orc will be in the front and which in the rear, then glue them to the base accordingly to have the front ones more unbalanced forward while the back less centered on the base and a bit behind, it should be a small difference in the end.
Placing half of your models jumping produces bad effects, from experience, only up to 25%-33% should to still have a good look.
>>47216554
Adrian Smith is love.
>>47216754
>>47207943
does he draw other poses too?
>>47216764
>>47216764
He does. Do a google image search if you don't believe someone on the internet though.
>>47216764
Usually only in color.
>>47216615
>Less near-full-body armor.
To be fair, the fully armored chaos warrior has been a relatively recent aesthetic coherence; chaos was and is all about variety and a group of bare-chested barbarians following khorne doesn't exactly scream out of theme to meI'm not going to defend other design choices like the angular musculatures, thin plate armour on the waist or the overdesigns of other details though
