Hey /tg/! Anyone here want to play a friendly game of Gangrape?
>>47203143
I've heard good things about this game, about 4 out of 5 people enjoy a good game of gangrape.
Seems like a messy affair; I'd rather not.
Fucking swedes.
>>47203143
The Girl in this pdf isn't that ugly looking; I'd gangrape Her.
>>47203143
Read the pdf, thought it'd be some kinda raperoleplay fetish shit. Instead the PDF actually read like the insane victimizing of a nutty feminist who created the game to show how harsh gang rape is instead of being some kind of nerdy BDSM roleplay game. Like WTF?!
>>47203781
Well, it WAS made in Sweden...
>it seems nearly impossible to get convicted for rape or gang rape, at least in contemporary Sweden.
well, maybe if you're a mud slime
>>47203781
Without this game, people might not have realized that gangrape is a bad thing.
>>47203971
Now this is unfair: it's not like you can't do games to make people think about shit.
Simply enough this... most surely doesn't.
>>47203143
I'd rather play FATAL desu
>>47203781
I love how the first page almost literally reads, "YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO ENJOY THIS," completely negating the reason that most people engage in collective story-play.
It's like going to a "restaurant" where you buy Canard à l'Orange solely so you can admire it from the other side of a pane of glass, then leave.
>>47204102
It's an attempt at transferring an "adult" kind of enjoyment to TTRPGs. You know how there are movies, plays, books that are impossible to enjoy, to the point of being actually painful to watch/read? Yet they somehow are supposedly the greatest achievements according to critics?
Well, if you take a medium and make something that's impossible to enjoy on purpose, that makes it art and extra sophisticated at that.
>>47203143
>mdw this RPG happened BEFORE the mass Muslim immgration
>>47203143
Playing ironically, over-the-top or
trying to laugh things off is not allowed.
Better then to stop playing, or not play
at all.
What Lame ass shit is this! ! ! ! ! ?
>>47204547
For example?
>>47204547
>You know how there are movies, plays, books that are impossible to enjoy, to the point of being actually painful to watch/read?
Yes, but they're intended to evoke specific emotions in an individual. The purpose of story-gaming is almost entirely having an enjoyable time crafting a narrative with friends. A TTRPG that evokes disgust, displeasure, and discomfort is self-defeating, doubly so when it tells you you're not allowed to enjoy these sensations.
>>47204674
If you had a smashing time watching Narco Cultura or La vita è bella, you're a sociopath and completely missed the fucking point.
>>47204704
Not him, but i think their point here is to bring the players closer to the "reality" of rape, which is better achieved with an interactive medium, especially one as physical as TTRPG.
Not that it matters since it's still swedish bullshit, but atleast there is reasoning behind the stupidity.
>>47204674
I dunno, man. Koyaanisqatsi I guess? Whatever I'm going to say, somebody will claim it's enjoyable. Other than that, weird independent films. In Germany there's also Wir Kinder vom Bahnhof Zoo, the adaption of an autobiographical book about a drug addict girl. That shit is just plain not fun to watch.
>>47204704
You could say the same about movies or vidya, yet here we are with shit like Wir Kinder vom Bahnhof Zoo. I'm a firm believer that just because something has meaning and wants to be thought provoking, it doesn't have to be an utter shitshow to watch, but we most of these still want to be completely unenjoyable.
>>47204758
He said "painful" though. Wouldn't say that Benigni was painful. Certainly pretty sad, but shit, I'd prefer to be dead than to enjoy only funny shit.
>>47204812
Koyacantspellit was pretty enjoyable to me.
(actually I didn't like it so much, but certainly not "painful")
>>47203143
>ITT: People from the country who spawned the furry movement and tumblr pay way too much attention to some "game" made by edgy students and make sweeping statements about Sweden.
If you hurt their feelings they can get them checked for free you guys.
>>47204979
>Implying we're all from burgerland
You have to be aware of ethnicities other than your own, anon :^)
>>47204631
I think because it defeats the purpose if you don't induce some amount of the real stress of a real rape into the game?
I think that's part of what its trying to do
I get that teenagers would both miss the point of and be upset about the existence of a game like this.
Doesn't mean the game is something you play over beer but there exists other people than the empathy impaired ones that teenagers are. Albeit not as many or the same as most D&D players.
That said, GR is pretty obscure and was an experiment with that particular group's type of freeforming.
>>47204704
>The purpose of story-gaming is almost entirely having an enjoyable time crafting a narrative with friends. A TTRPG that evokes disgust, displeasure, and discomfort is self-defeating, doubly so when it tells you you're not allowed to enjoy these sensations.
This is completely unrelated, but I think you just accurately summarized why I hate AdEva so much.
>>47203143
>>47204631
How do you think the creators would respond if I named my rapist character Muhammad?
>>47203781
Why did you expect a game called "Gang rape" to be about BDSM? Have you been reading Japanese porn again?
>>47204704
>The purpose of story-gaming is almost entirely having an enjoyable time crafting a narrative with friends
No, that's only true when that's the purpose. If you play for another purpose, then that purpose is the purpose. Besides, there's no actual game in Gang Rape, it's just some kind of weird reminder of how terrible rape is by ways of tricking you into imagining it by making you think there'll be a game somewhere if you keep reading.
Holy shit this is really well-designed. Why are such good mechanics wasted on a concept like this?
>>47204555
Mass muslim immigration has been the name of the game in sweden for atleast a decade.
Funnily enough the rate of sexual assaults have increased at a comparable rate aswell! who would have thought!
I always wonder how Denmark and Norway feel about their tryhard progressive neighbour
>>47208232
Proof or kill yourself. Actually just kill yourself
>>47208232
It's actually declining.
>>47208360
>>47208383
>Somebody let Captain Cuck in the thread
Lol k
http://www.allenbwest.com/ashleyedwardson/mainstream-media-wont-tell-you-why-sweden-is-now-rape-capital-of-the-west
This game looks dumb as fuck.
>>47204979
Are you a crying swede or are you just a butthurt liberal?
>>47211383
>it was a buthurt swede all along
>/tg/ has become /int/
I don't even need the other boards anymore ™
>>47208383
only slightly, and only recently. That's because Sweden has taken its head out of the sand and started to acknowledge that there is an immigrant problem.
>>47206617
Are you, honestly, implying that everyone in this thread is an immature teenager who lacks empathy, and therefore doesn't "get" the game?
Anon, we all 'get' why someone would make this game: the creator explains it on the first fucking page. We get it, but we disagree with the idea that a topic as emotionally charged and reviled as rape can be effectively discussed or analyze with make-belief that ends up looking like spiritual self-flagelation than anything else.
>>47207096
Huh, I hate AdEva because it tries to have strict codified rules for a setting that runs on Plot and bullshit.
Also I enjoy my disgust, displeasure, and discomfort very much.
>>47203143
/pol/ was right again.
>>47204674
Green Room.
>>47204812
>Koyaanisqatsi
Fantastic visuals and soundtrack.
>>47211878
/pol/ was wrong again.
Fixed that for you
https://twitter.com/realvivaeuropa/status/703876422641819648
Is this what Sweden is like?
>>47212814
*Sven
>>47204979
I see your wife and her bull let use the computer this week, Sven.
I volunteer as tribute.
Who will be my rapists?
What is a "jeepform" game played "jeeply"?
>The actual rape is not played as larp
Why not?
>>47213034
Pick your poison.
>>47203159
>>47204102
>almost literally
>almost
>literally
>>47204758
Is this /tg/'s new thing? Calling everything you don't like sociopathic? Is sociopath the new faggot?
>On a meta-note, I tried hard not to come when writing this—that is I tried hard not to back down from making this game less scary at any point. This is a game without smileys or covers to duck behind.
So did he come while writing this or not?
>>47213172
I thought cuck was the new faggot. I can't keep up. I think sociopathic is the new autist.
>>47203143
Fuck you OP
Why do you keep posting this shit?
I have seen your trans acceptance games, man-hating games, lesbian queer games, feminist games, all of them from fucking Sweden, the land of unending muslim rape, and the most misandrist bitches in human history, and now this.
I hope they made it ironically, because searching all of their names, I have yet to see feminism activity
>>47208318
Denmark has a giant unrequited complex and would rather do the opposite of Sweden than something clever. Sweden is envious of Norway because of oil. Not really sure how Norwegians feel in turn. Norway-Denmark, no idea.
>not a single trigger warning in the entire pdf
Huh. I wasn't expecting that, but I guess everybody's a little bit surprised by gangrape.
>>47213186
>So did he come while writing this or not?
Did you actually read all the text on that page, or did you just skim it for something you could greentext
Because he's clearly saying that since he finished writing the game without stuttering or breaking eye contact with the woman, he didn't come.
>>47214400
>not a single trigger warning in the entire pdf
It was made in 2007. tumblr was brand-new then and mostly just for porn and cat gifs.
>>47214400
I think people who legitimately have triggers due to sexual assault should obviously not play Gang Rape.
That seems pretty obvious.
>>47215072
That's funny, I though the whole point of engaging in gang rape was to trigger sexual assault!
>>47203143
It's a bit too melodramatic for my taste. Gangrape is bad, who knew?
But you can make gangrape funny. See >>47203159
>>47203171
The only correct way to play this is to try and get a good laugh out of it.
>>47204547
But if we're looking at it that way then the simple fact of the matter if that they've already failed. Telling players that they shouldn't enjoy something is artless and lazy. If you're looking at game design as an artform then the fact that the game isn't fun should be inferred by the rules, and if it is inferred by the rules than the act of stating that the game isn't fun shows a complete lack of confidence in the artist.
Artsy movies don't come along and go "Oh by the way! The theme is loneliness. You see what I did there with that camera angle? Well that's because of, y'know, loneliness. Hah." Though I suppose there's 'artistic value' to something like that, it would be on some kind of meta level.
>>47215300
Admittedly, without that disclaimer, it would be pretty easy to read the rules and say "This sounds miserable! Why would I want to play this?"
Or play it the way most of tg would, as a joke.
I can't really fault them. It might've been a dumb idea in the first place, but the idea of using tabletop RPGs for demonstration purposes and to get people thinking is interesting for me, politics aside.
>>47215525
When you create art you have to accept that some people will see it in a different way. That's pretty much the entire value of art. The discussion and all that. It's why we have galleries and critics and all that pretentious stuff. When you accept this you also have to accept that some people just wont 'get it'. And that's also okay and entirely valid. That's another part of where the value is. If you don't have to discuss and pay attention to the piece itself, where is the artistic value?
Probably not a very good example because marketing and all but Monopoly doesn't frontload itself with "This shouldn't be fun!" and I can bet that the original concept didn't either. If anything it was probably back-loaded. Because you teach people by showing, not telling.
>This isn't fun!
>Yes
>That's stupid
>But you've learned :^)
>Every fucking time Barry. This is why nobody plays with you.
is much better than
>Huh. These rules look pretty fun.
>It isn't fun!
>Wha'? No it's clearly a joke. Y'know, like irony.
>It isn't fun! Don't consume my art in a way that I dislike!
Don't get me wrong. There's value in fun entertainment stuff. Something doesn't need to have artistic value to be valuable.In fact if something only has artistic value and nothing else I'm likely to dismiss it as pretentious fart-huffing.But they're obviously going for something like that.
>I would like to urge you not to use music during the rape and after. It will affect the players’ feelings too much—which exactly what I want their actions to do. If you insist, a reasonable use of music during the rape is to let every rapist play background music as a metaphor for what he is doing to the woman. Every rapist will have his own musical theme describing his assault.
>Every rapist will have his own musical theme
DON'T STOP ME NOW
I'M HAVING SUCH A GOOD TIME
I'M HAVING A BALL
>>47215632
Well, that's the danger of using art on such a charged theme, I guess. It is a bit gutless, I'll admit.
>>47215669
Jesus Christ, amazing. What were they thinking with that? Is there anything that would not be ridiculous? Even if my theme was the fucking Psycho theme, it would give me the giggles.
Let's play this
>>47215710
>Is there anything that would not be ridiculous?
Something slow would be better than something than something fast and aggressive, I think. Maybe some ominous and brooding Phillip Glass piece. Koyaanisqatsi was mentioned earlier in the thread, and the theme might be a good fit.
Either way, I can imagine any given playthrough of this game going one of two possible ways.
1) The players are utterly unable to keep a straight face, and laugh the whole thing off.
2) The players get off on it.
With either scenario, the game fails at creating the harrowing and emotionally taxing experience the author intended, because he has completely misunderstood the dynamics of the medium he's working with.
>>47215186
Exposure to triggers in a controlled fictional setting is pretty much the ideal way to begin treatment for trauma.
>>47213113
I've gotta say, "poor little white boy" here is more jacked than any of those black men there.
I'm sure they all had a good time regardless.
>>47215941
Well, I could see a good DM and a somber minded party successfully feeling shitty for a few hours.
It isn't exactly mass marketed.
>>47215980
It doesn't have a DM. Read the pdf. Everyone involved is either a rapist or a rapee.
>>47215994
Oh. Uh. I think I would rather just stop talking about this than read the PDF to be honest.
Anyway, good talk.
>>47216067
You really should read it, it's absolutely demented
>>47215300
Vincent Baker tried that, and now everyone thinks Poison'd is a game about necrophiliac pedophiles.
>>47215669
>>47215288
>The only correct way to play this is to try and get a good laugh out of it.
>§2 Playing ironically, over-the-top or
trying to laugh things off is not allowed.
Better then to stop playing, or not play
at all.
>>47215669
They tell me that it's good for me, but I don't even care
I know that it's crazy
I know that it's nowhere
But there is no denying that
It's hip to be square
>>47215669
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNkwKR04tPQ
>>47215669
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XCiDuy4mrWU
>>47212809
>>47203781
I don't think it's trying to make a political point.
If you want to pursue the agenda of reducing gang rapes, then making a game that attempts to duplicate the experience of a gang rape really isn't the way to go. This isn't preventing gang rapes, it's facilitating them.
It might be trying to make an artistic point. Artists are crazy.
>>47214084
Norwegians tell jokes about stupid Swedes, the way Americans tell jokes about stupid blondes.
Norwegians think the Danish language is basically Norwegian as spoken while drunk and with a potato in your mouth.
>>47208176
This is my new No Fun Allowed image.
>>47208360
>>47208360
>>47204812
>Koyaanisqatsi
Samsara was the shit you faggot.
>>47212809
Is this real?
>>47212809
>tfw white pride folks can't help being right-wing authoritarians
>>47215941
I feel like it's done a decent job of fostering dialogue just by existing. This thread is proof, simply by the fact the armpit of the internet has spent the better part of 100 posts NOT devolving into LOL RAEP jokes.
>>47215300
Rubber does that to some degree, though I'm not sure where it falls on the artsy scale.
On one hand I'm sort of happy that roleplaying games have the ability to make these sorts of things possible, but on the other hand I can't really see anyone playing them ever.
>>47215669
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jm-upHSP9KU
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Jm-upHSP9KU
>>47223029
>It doesn’t take much to create a Lover. As her, tell us:
>your name
>your sign
>your hairstyle
>a tendency you have, or something you’re coping with.
>>47215669
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=55XJivhjB4U
>>47223199
>otherkin name
>star sign
>punky hair
>triggers
The perfect tumblr game
>>47204102
>It's like going to a "restaurant" where you buy Canard à l'Orange solely so you can admire it from the other side of a pane of glass, then leave.
That sounds like a conceptual art project that could make me rich!
>>47223029
>All queer people are sluts who just want to be left alone so they can fuck
>>47204979
>the country who spawned the furry movement
Egypt?
The mechanics are interesting, but I can't believe anyone could play this game without either laughing it off or getting off to it.
I'd like to find other themes for which that "play-by-fiat" system could work, but I can't think of any.
>>47207919
>game
>>47213034
How are you doing?
>>47215669
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q92QibNpb0A
>>47223029
>On one hand I'm sort of happy that roleplaying games have the ability to make these sorts of things possible,
I would say it's absolutely imperative that these sort of games be made for the good of the hobby as a whole. Not because we desperately need games about gangrape and queer women, but because in being experimental, they further what the games could do. It's like avant garde art; if it's weird and it kind of pisses you off, it's doing its job. At the boundaries of the...genre, for want of a better word...we can find the new spaces ALL games can push into, especially mechanically.
>>47220743
Norwergians sound like fun guys
>>47223885
That's what I've been saying for years.
>>47223029
Weird indie art games definitely have their niche, and I'm more interested in playing things like Monsterhearts than I should perhaps admit, so I'm fine with A Place to Fuck Each Other (that name though). Gang Rape is much less a game meant to be played and more of a thought experiment.
>>47223889
Norwegian here. We basically consider Danes charmingly carefree southern neighbours that have a idiotic-sounding language. We consider Swedes to be overly liberal retards.
>>47223885
Here's the issue, though: it still needs to function as a cohesive whole. A game where one of the rules literally is "DO NOT HAVE FUN" doesn't work. There has to be a certain functionality to the mechanics, a certain elegance. Something like Fiasco or Poison'd works well because the rules themselves are intuitive, inventive and elegant, while also being able to explore unconventional themes. Gang Rape is a classic example of the message overriding the mechanics, and the result is that the entire thing falls completely flat. Yes, the medium needs to be expanded and explored, but the people doing so have to have solid understanding of the medium to begin with.
>>47223319
Just wanting to be left alone to fuck is seems more an ages 16-24 thing than a lesbian thing to me
>>47224139
>Here's the issue, though: it still needs to function as a cohesive whole.
No it doesn't.
And don't get me wrong, I understand what you're saying. I don't want to play Gangrape any more than you do. It's handled terribly and "Don't Have Fun" is certainly against the spirit of what we want out of games. However, I think that we need to explore "what we don't want" as well. Or at the very least, it shouldn't be discouraged, because that's the only way we can find "what we didn't know we wanted."
The only way I could see this being enjoyable is if you get a girl who's totally into rape fantasy to play the victim.
Even then it'd be more fun just to fuck her without using the game as a proxy.
>>47203143
fuck that layout is horrible. Art belongs at chapter starts or next to the text.
>>47227991
But anon, you don't understand the reason why they did that. You can't think deep enough, because you're not a progressive thinking man like him
>>47224777
Just a girl that can play it completely straight and take it farther than any of the rapists. But yeah, that is probably going to involve a rape fantasy.
>>47204102
people watch horrors to be scared
>>47215791
I almost feel as though it's daring me to take it seriously AND enjoy it. Like, to tap into our inner sadist a bit. I'd totally be down for that.
>>47213089
The fact that he felt the need to write that sentence is hilarious.
>Come on, Beth, this is only roleplaying, don't fight it.
Am I the only one that is disturbed by the fact that you're forbidden from running ironic sessions, while the game talks about ironic sessions afterwards.
>>47207855
Smug sarcasm mixed with a thick air of self-righteous indignation.
Shitskins don't play RPGs, so I don't think Sven will be getting his point across on this one
>>47215669
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bONeCoik1Ts
A musical theme for french rapists.
>>47215669
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iP6yvrfOfLc
ITT: Music /tg/ would rape someone to.
I don't want to be left behind
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwaJ_N4O0OE
>>47215669
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFRFURWPiTI
>>47203143
Yea... games like these are part of the reason i stopped doing larp. (How could i RP sex, when i have never got it? How could i RP life if i am no-lifer? I am scare of it.)
>>47215954
This is correct and how I eventually was treated for PTSD against alcohol abusers in my life.
>>47215969
Ah, that's because it's the third film. White dude got jacked between films it seems, the original film poster he isn't jacked at all.
